good morning, everybody, that's where we start on a friday. welcome here to "america's newsroom". how you doing martha is that. >> martha: how you doing bill? good morning, everybody, i'm martha maccallum. this is explosive, actually. congressional sources telling fox news that during a classified briefing, air force commander general william shelton said he was pressured before that testimony to kind of change the way that he was going to talk about this whole company and ram tpeubgtss of this wireless deal. bill: as you can imagine there are questions and the questions, who was applying the pressure. so far the general is not saying. republicans are asking whether or not the white house is exerting influence to try to get this project through. more on that now, molly henneberg leading our coverage in washington. good morning, molly. >> reporter: hi bill. bill: what was he being pressured to say? >> >> reporter: hi, bill and martha, that, and by whom. that is what the house armed services commit see trying to find out if -- and if it was meant to help out trying to build that network, a

staffer confirms to fox that four star air force general william shelt beyond told the committee in a classified beliefing -- briefing he was, quote, being asked to say things he did not agree with, specifically, that he, the general, was okay with the new nationwide wire lots communications network and -- wireless communications network and interference with communications could be fixed easily. general shelton we're told did not change his testimony and did voice his concerns. but who urged him to change it? that's not clear. although whenever military men and women testify on the hill, their words are usually looked over in advance by someone from the white house, the pentagon, and the office of management and budget, omb. bill: that's a lot lot -- a lot of oversight before you start talking and answering questions. reaction from the white house, or is there any? >> reporter: a white house spokesman told the daily beast told omb suggested changes to general shelton's testimony but says these kinds of reviews are routine

to, quote, ensure consistenty in the administration policy position. the companies like squared says it's ludicrous to suggest that its success depends on political suggestions going on to say in a statement, quote, any suggestion that light squared has run rough shod over the process is contradictory by the reality of eight long years spent gaining approval. here's where the donor comes in. the one of the biggest investors is an investment fund, run by democratic donor phillip caldone who gave $60,000 to senate races in 2009 and has given some money to republicans. bill: there's more to this, molly, thank you. coming back, we'll get more information, okay? molly henneberg, leading our coverage in washington. martha: speaker of the house john boehner talking at the economic club of washington yesterday, weighing in on the 2012 election, and also, on his time as speaker.

listen to this: >> i got a lot of great candidates and love all of them. >> [laughter] >> well, someone might r* -- i might love more than others! and if one of them said to you you'veone a great job as speaker, we'd like you to be vice president of the united states, be on the ticket, would you consider that, it's hard enough for me to go to funerals of people i know, okay? much less people i don't know. all right? i'm happy that i got the job, people ask me are you having fun. hell no i'm not having any fun! , somebody show me where the fun is. but i am glad i'm there. and i went to washington with a mission that i outlined earlier, i have an opportunity to lead a mission, and i came here not because i wanted to be congressman, i came here to do something on behalf of my country, and i didn't want to be speaker because i needed some fancy title. i wanted to be speaker so

that i could lead an effort on behalf of our country. it's that mission that drives me every day, keeps me excited, keeps me engaged, but i like to accomplish my mission -- wi like to accomplish my mission and get the hell out of here. martha: that's pretty interesting. bill: rather frank, i'd say. martha: very. speaker boehner also addressed the jobs crisis, he urged congress' decifit skpr committee to lay the ground work for what he says is the big picture, he wants to see a broad overhaul. bill: i think boehner is having more fun than he claims. martha: he plays a lot of golf! he has a good time out there. bull bill senate majority leader saying he's disappointed, saying tax increases are off the table. >> i'm disappointed that speaker boehner would get

involved with this supercommittee in a public fashion. i don't think he should do that. i'm not going to do that. so i am confident that the supercommittee can come up with something that will stop sequestration. as to what that should be, i have opinions. i'm not going to voice them publicly. bill: we will see how long that lasts for all members of congress. boehner and reid each appointed three members to the skpr committee that's getting to work right now. martha:er didn't say something that he hasn't said before about how this needs to be said. let's take a look at the markets because that's something that needs to be fixed, too? u.s. futures looking down this morning. they were bolstered the past couple of days, the markets, because it looked like europe was ready to step in and do bailouts of the greek bank and perhaps italy as well, in terms of the support by putting dollars out there. now they're taking a look at this greek situation and saying they need more time to figure this out. that's got the markets

rattled. the dow had a good day, up 186 points, up for four consecutive trading days, mostly on the confidence that there was some kind of collective effort in europe to get things under control with these banks. bill: they're trying to figure it out. fox news alert, we're awaiting new numbers on unemployment at the state level, again, state by state this is. we're already hearing one state's luck. in the state of nevada, last month, it jumped to 13.4%. that's up from 12.9 in july, more than 170,000 affected. this marks the third straight month to see an increase in the jobless rate there. we're going to bring you the numbers as we get them throughout this day. construction is a big thing in nevada and the market has been hit hard, going back to 2008, the fall of that year. martha: that's a big number. all right. as we await those numbers, we've got a lot of talk this morning about a second

recession for the united states, and it's taking hold among a number of economists who were surveyed in the "wall street journal," and they see one in three in terms of the chance that the united states is going to fall into a double-dip recession over the course of the next year, 2012 into 201 #. stuart varney joins me of the fox business network, host of varney & company. good morning, stuart. this isn't good news. >> no. now, if you go out there and you ask the professional economists, are we in recession, they will say no, we're not in recession right now, but we may be trending towards one. you go out on the street and ask ordinary every day people, are we in recession and they'll say absolutely, yes, we are, what are you thinking? if you take a look at the evidence, it sure feels like we are in a recession, and sure looks like we're trending towards one. all the key indicators are pointing south. jobs, no job creation in august, spending, dead flat in august, manufacturing, shrinking. as for housing, prices

continue to fall, and we've got a new normal for gasoline prices, above 3.50 a gallon. add all that up and the trend is definitely towards recession. that's speaking as the way a professional economist might speak, and if you ask is it feeling like we're in a recession, the answer is a flat out yes, we are. martha: and doesn't that -- isn't that really what matters, when you think about it, stuart? you can look at the technical definition of two quarters of consecutive decline or two quarters of consecutive growth, or whether or not we're effectively in a recession but you nailed it on the head, when you ask people how they feel about the economy, their business, you know, what's coming down the pike next year for them financially, they're feeling it. >> the way they spend their money depends upon their feelings about the state of the economy, right now. we're going to get an indicator in about 50 minutes time, it's called a consumer confidence or a sentiment indicator, and it is very likely to point towards e feeling that we are in a recession.

martha: yeah, all right, stuart, thank you. we'll look for that number and look for you on varney & co. thank you sir. bill: in the meantime, a major recall. you don't hear this every day. a major recall of constant lope, now after a deadly outbreak of listeria. the recall affects constant lopes from holy farms in colorado, sold between july and september, one death already reported, and the wife of someone who got sick describes exactly how serious that infection can be, and it's significant. >> it's horrible. it's scary. i don't think he'll ever be able to drive again because of the confusion. and just not knowing. and he's been my rock. i mean, he was, you know -- we're in life together, he would do all kinds of stuff for me, i'd do all kinds of stuff for him and now i have to feel like i have to do everything, plus worry about him, and it's just been pure hell. unreal. bill: it is so unusual, too. if you suspect you have a tainted piece of fruit, cdc recommends bagging it, just

throwing it all away. here are the states affected. they range all the way from new mexico to wyoming to the state of new york. constant lope. good food. martha: i do, too. those are just a few of the stories that bill and i have got for you in "america's newsroom". at times, he has offered some very controversial comments about september 11th, or about hurricane katrina. in moments, what pat robertson is now saying about marriage. bill: also, a top democratic strategist saying the white house should be in panic mode. arrested start firing everyone. we have a great panel to debate all this, coming up fair and balanced. martha: lawmakers blasting the obama administration for approving a $535 million loan to a solar company that it reportedly -- that it reportedly knew was having serious problems. we're going to speak to one of those fired up lawmakers coming up, republican congressman tim murphy had a huge, heated exchange on all this yesterday on the hill.

he's going to join us and tell us what he thinks. >> i hear you're throwing all your staff under the bus. i want to know, you're in charge, you handled loans of this size, now you're saying it's everybody else's fault but you. you tell me what you as a person in charge did, with half a billion dollars of taxpayers' money, now saying it's all my staff's fault, i didn't know, i can't do anything about it. you tell me what you're going to tell the taxpayers.

martha: it's a race against time in nor waeurbgs they're trying to stop a fire-damaged cruise ship from tilting over. take a look at this brand new video that's just in showing rescued passengers finally reaching the port in that investigation thael helped them to get to land after they escaped the intense flames that killed at least two people and injured nine others. the ship was traveling on the -- off the coast of norway when its engine reportedly caught fire, it managed to limp into the harbor.

look at those pictures. right now, the crew is pumping water out, and as you can see, it is dangerously lifting at an angle right now, all 252 members and crew members, the ones who remained, are evacuated. bill: the seoul rained scandal, growing by the day. now, we've been reporting on this, and now we find that new e-mails reveal the white house officials concerned over what a bankruptcy by the solar power could do to the president's reelection campaign. now, the congressional committee investigating the more than $500 million loan to seoul rained released the e-mails. here's republican congressman tim murphy in that committee hearing: >> this is an incredible organization you work for. no one in the federal government is responsible for half a trillion -- half a billion dollars of taxpayers' money? this is phenomenal. what do you do for a living? >> bill: republican congressman tim murphy is my guest now, member of the house energy and commerce

committee from pittsburgh. good to be with you. >> the evidence shows this was a bad deal, the bush administration considered it, they backed away from it, but then the checks started going out and they kept coming, too, and there were a lot of signs that were seen along the way that perhaps this company was in trouble. why do you believe the white house still approved it? >> well, look, you're absolutely right, that the -- actually the committee voted unanimously to not go along with this loan, so it died, then like lazarus, it rose again and this lazarus loan is what we're trying to find out, who gave the green light to it. there are indications from e-mails that may have gone through with other elements, coinciding with a visit, reuben kunings -- it should be pointed out country reason congress said no more earmark, although some were good, there was a question that when politics came in the way and favoritism, and in this situation is one where this became basically an administrative or white house earmark that did this

loan come through in such a way that it violated the law in two ways, and that is, it gave preference to mr. kaiser and their private equity fund reinvestment over the taxpayers, so they get paid back before we do in a bankruptcy, and the second thing is, they weren't supposed to get any money at all if they couldn't pay it back, and it wasn't just the money that began to come through in 'nine -- '09 but this year also, 2011, when it was clear this company couldn't make it, 70 million more were admance dollars -- advanced and we think that may be a violation of the law as well and that needs to be accounted -- investigated. bill: kaiser why a wealthy man out of oklahoma, a big democratic donor and made several trips to the white house who invested in this company. are the facts clear? >> it appears to be that way. we have to find out if there's a link. we are seeing that -- >> bill: with that, then, do you think this was incompetence, do you think it's more sinister, or do you think ultimately it was

political? >> well, at best, it's gross incompetence, which is unfortunately not against the law. the question is, were there political parts. but clearly, those two elements have to be investigated. if someone wants to save face here, the attorney general, the fbi needs to find out was there some other favoritism taking place or at least ignoring the law. now, jonathan silver, who was being asked by me during that hearing was he aware of all these things and he said his lawyers advised him it was okay. i don't think that's necessarily good defense to go against what is in statute, and in the law. bill: we found out late yesterday that at least four other companies that received stimulus funding are also ready to declare bankruptcy, or some of them already have. now, what does that say about the decisions that were made when you have hundreds of billions of dollars at your disposal and you have a certain time frame where you want to get that money out?

i mean, what does that say to taxpayers? >> it says to taxpayers, we better have a lot more oversight. that's the difference between earmarks and loan programs where people are supposed to look very carefully athese. understand, the next couple of weeks, there's another $10 billion which may be sent out in loans. and there better be a lot of scrutiny and doublechecking, and if any companies, if there's any doubt to pay back or follow through, then those loans should not be given. we're going to be watching this carefully. bill: the senate would say that washington is trying to figure out a place to put the money. now, you were fired up at this hearing this week. why? >> well, we started up because it seemed so cavalier. it was the attorney's fault. he was supposed to be in charge. the secretary of energy, someone supposed to be in charge of this an answering the question, why were those two elements of the law ignored and we were not getting an answer, despite

multiple members of congress not getting the answer to the question and the taxpayers are possibly out of half a billion dollars and no, sir not right. bill: makes you shake your head. sir, thank you for your time, from your home state of pennsylvania, the town of pittsburgh, tim murphy, as we will, also, thank you, martha. martha: we're going to have more coverage of this solyndra scandal coming up. you'll hear from someone who actually worked at that company, how she heard the news and what she's going to share with us exclusively here on "america's newsroom". that is coming up. bill: also, a bizarre new twist in the case of thi missing mother of two, why police are now saying there are no remains found in a desert in utah. so then what happened to susan powell?

bill: got a fox extreme weather alert where a major cleanup is underway in

arizona after serious flooding. parts of tucson were buried under water. look at this now, flash flooding sent drivers and the emergency crews fending for themselves on these flooded streets. people in the area say we've seen floods before, but nothing like this. >> this is the worst i've seen it. so pretty bad. we've never been stuck anywhere before. >> usually it rains hard for a little bit, then it will just stop, but it stops a while and all of the sudden there's a river. >> in all my years, i've never seen anything like this, to have this little area just flooded like that, that's pretty bad. bill: as the water comes and goes pretty -- the water comes and goes quickly but when it's there it can be a mess and one man may be swept away by the flood waters. hopefully not. martha: back to this story, now. confusion in the search for a missing mother of two named susan powell, you probably remember this story, we've shown you a lot of pictures of her over the

last couple of years. earlier authorities thought they may have found her body because they found human remains in the utah desert. experts were called in to testify, and experts say now they spoke too soon and nothing has been found there, in fact. let's go aleasha acuna. alicia, the police were pretty confident they had remains of some sort there. what happened? >> reporter: this is a very strange turn in this case, martha. we're still trying to sort it out. west valley city police had said a number of cadaver dogs had gone back to the same area and hit on what police called a shallow grave and said they had found human remains, but it turns out they're saying no, they weren't actual remains, but that one set of dogs had alerted searchers to this location and cops had a fresh set of dogs go up to also check. they did this at least three times, from what we can gather. the canines, trained to detect animal remains -- ignore animal retains and cadetect a human body

12 feet under ground said they verified a find. police dug in the area, didn't find anything and are resuming today. the police told fox affiliate ben inslow he believes they will solve this case. >> absolutely. i'm confident we will. >> reporter: are you still calling josh powell is person of interest or elevating him to a suspect yet? >> we will see what we turn up out here first. >> reporter: police are saying that every shovel of dirt that they pull has to be sifted, so it's going to take a while. martha: thank you very much for that update. we're going to find out more about what's going on in that story, and whether or not josh powell continues to be sp-b that they're looking at. bill: in the meantime you have these children out this and the rest of the relatives trying to figure out what in the world happened here. there are new warnings from a top democratic strategist and when he talks, people listen, saying the white house should northbound a panic mode and start firing people now. good advice? a terrific panel on that. we'll take it on in a matter of moments here.

martha: and this extraordinary story of this young man. he saved the lives of many people, but he insists that he is not a hero. the incredible story of the first living marine in 41 years to receive the medal of honor.

bill: got a fox news alert on something that will roil the markets today. there's a trade fora bank out of switzerland, ubs,

abuboli, charged with $2 billion in loss phos that bank, charged with fraud by abuse of position also charged with false accounting, $2 billion attributed to one employee at this massive international bank. we'll see how that affects markets around the world and also here in new york. trading just underway on wall street, just about two minutes into the day of trading, and we're looking at an upstart so far, up 48 points for the dow 30. there are concerns about europe, but you knew that. we'll see which way we go right now on a friday as we close out the week. 9:32. martha. martha: well, we've been talking about this this morning, top democratic strattist carville afternoon yelling about something but not quite likely this, he wrote in an op-ed what would the white house should do now? one word came to mind: panic. fire somebody. no, fire a lot of people. this may be news to you, but this is not going well.

very strong words. he went on to say that for god's sakes why are we looking at the same political and economic advisers that got us into this mess? carville went on to say no doubt this has caught the attention of folks in the west wing. joined by juan williams, fox news political analyst and rich lowry, editor at the national review, also a fox news contributor. i don't think what -- i don't know what you guys think of my james carville's impression, but that's all i can do for a jersey girl! good to have you here. let me start with you, juan. who do you think he specifically wants out? >> well, he says that, in fact, the attorney general holder should be held responsible, and that he thinks that the general should just fire staff. he said reagan fired his entire staff in the '80 campaign and starts talking about all the people that bill clinton fired when things were turning south for bill clinton, so it sounds like he wants a house cleaning, but specific coming out of this piece, he talks about democrats in this white house not making the case for their economic

recovery plan, for the stimulus, and he says it's time to get away from having the cbo and other independent groups do that. so i would guess he would really be talking about his economic team and his communications team. martha: i mean, really there's only one person left on the economic team and that's tim geithner, rich lowry, who moments ago was criticized by an austrian finance official at those talks who said you know, we don't really want to be lectured by him about europe's crisis. who do you think is carville is calling out here? >> i think it's an interesting insight into the democratic mind and it's mindless panic. this is horrible advice. the other precedent car -- president carville could have cited a jimmy carter who asked for his entire cabinet to resign and accepted a # of the resignations, it was a panicky move, read as panic by the american people and reassured no one. if president obama willy

nilly fired people it would have the same effe and the fundamental problem, martha, you come down to the bottom line of what carville is saying, he's saying defend the same old failed ideas, just harder, and that's already what the president is doing and it's not work. martha: you know, what there's also, juan, a political piece this morning that, i don't know, it's like nine or ten pages, when i printed it out on my printer, it's on their website, all about bill daley, and it raises a lot of questions about whether or not he's doing a good job, although, you know, some of what we're hearing is that he's kind of been tuned out, according to some sources, who have spoken to people about this in the white house. and that david plouffe is getting focus and how things are done in there. is bill daley -- you know, would he be a fall guy if indeed they're putting the focus on him? he hasn't been there that long and it doesn't seem like he has that much influence according to this stpwhrao he should have influence. i hope that's wrong. but the point is he's not rahm emanuel. rahm was such a dynamic character, he was the kind of major domo of the white house, and in his absence or

the fact that he departed, bill daley comes across as much more of a nice guy, very low key, not imposing himself, and i think you're hearing a lot of this now from the lower wrungs. but i think that rich is on to something. this is a panic move, it's not good advice. but you're seeing this not only in terms of what carville said, the political piece that you mentioned on daley, but there's a new book out talking about the president's economic team during their first term, and how chaotic and back biting they were, how mean they were to the women on the economic team. i think this is a season just -- it's just a winter of discontent moment for the obama white house. martha: it's interesting. at one point in the politico piece, they say maybe it's more of a primal scream, maybe it goes deeper than the issue of personnel and rich, you know, it does raise the question, you know, i don't remember anybody -- when bush's approval numbers were down in the 38 percent range, people were saying whoa, it

must be andy card's fault, they were talking about george bush in that moment. >> that's true. you snipe at the chief of staff because you don't want to snipe at the guy at the top but eventually they'll snipe at the guy at the top. this reminds me of the bush administration, advocate -- advocates of the iraq war, maybe you should talk about it more, maybe you should talk about it differently, maybe you should show the public maps but it came down to the results and you weren't going to sell the iraq war until the results on the ground were better and that's exactly what's happening with the economy. president obama can sell this any different way he wants and fire as many as he wants but if you have unemployment at 9.1%, it will not make a difference. martha: we're in serious and interesting times. which is somewhat of a curse, i guess, the way that goes. juan, we thank you very much, rich, thank you -- thank you for being here. >> work on that cajun accent! >> i want to hear your caju

n next time, buddy! bill: jersey girl, giving it an effort! this morning we want to take a look at an american who is not only incredibly brave but also very humble, dakota meyer, a u.s. marine, received a medal of honor from the president at the white house. what a moment. he's 23, he is the man who helped rescue three dozen of his brothers back in 2009 and then recover the remains of four other service members killed in action. >> because of your honor, 36 men are alive today. because of your courage, four fallen american heroes came home. and in the words of james laden's mom, they can lay their sons to rest with dignity. bill: what an honor that is. the firefight happened two years ago in a small village

near the afghan border with pakistan and despite saving many lives, meyer sees himself as just a regular guy, just doing his mission. >> definitely not a hero. that's the furthest thing from the truth. >> we're either going to go in there or die trying, you know? and that's how it is, you know, that's your brothers in there. bill: indeed they are. dakota meyer, the first living marine to receive the nation's top award for valor during the wars in afghanistan or iraq. he left active duty just about a year ago. it's from the state -- he's from the state of kentucky. kentucky has a lot to be proud of. martha: what a humble young man, his humility and graciousness about the way he was being honored in all of this, he saved 36 lives, he says it of the worst day of his life, he said it of the worst day of his life because he didn't save -- wasn't able to save the other four, but as president obama said there, he was able to bring home their bodies so that their families could bury them. extraordinary, extraordinary young man. bill: we thank him, thank

you for your service. his life was saved by people he did not know. we're now hearing from the motorcyclist, trapped underneath this burning car, pulled to safety from some every day heroes. wait until you hear this. martha: incredible to hear from him. how about this? one of these republicans received an endorsement from jimmy carter. is that the political kiss of death for a republican gop nominee? wanna be nominee? we'll see. be right back.

martha: all right, folks, on this friday, here's what's developing in "america's newsroom" right now. some potentially embarrassing developments for italian premiere sil sro berlusconi, prosecutors say an italian businessman recruited dozens of young

girls to attend some of the prime minister's parties. they even say that he paid some of them to have sex with berlusconi, isn't that lovely. the italian leader is not actually under investigation in that particular case. so off the hook on that one. all right. so the catch-strapped u.s. postal service is coming up with ways to save money, and along with closing some of those branches, overnight deliveries we're told now could become a thing of the past, the move is expected to save some $3 billion by 2015. bill: they should do it more and compete with fed-ex and ups, then made be -- they'd be making money. it could be a pat on the back but it's probably not the pat he was looking for, former president jimmy carter saying he would be very pleased to see mitt romney win the republican nomination. what about that? mick huckabee, host of huckabee saturday night on fox news channel. how you doing, governor? appreciate you coming by. is that the endorsement you want now?

>> i don't believe that's what you're looking for if you're the republican candidate for president. the smart thing romney needs to do is come out and say i'm glad he's endorsing me, i'll happily get support from anywhere but i enendorse jimmy carter or the views he has regarding israel and palestine. bill: but if you take vote, i'd rather have the vote in that column is what you're saying. what about israel and pal stphaoeupb. >> jimmy carter has come out again saying that he thinks that palestine ought to get u.n. recognition when they come next week, violating every bit of protocol and really, creating an incredibly tens and unnecessary -- tense and unnecessary situation not just for the u.n. but for the middle east. the u.s. has got to veto that. but it just creates an unnecessary showdown, it sets back any peace process and it's utterly absurd for nine palestinian -- for the palestinians to believe they can ask for that. >> mitt romney is already in tune with that, racing him -- watching him an o'reilly, he brought up iran and what

a threat it is to israel. that will be a big deal not just next week but as we move to the election of 2012. the other thing that president carter said was he hraoeubgtd huntsman in may, jon huntsman and michele bachmann worked for him in 1976. who knew? >> well, she has talked about the fact that she volunteered for his campaign in 1976, but that after a couple of years of jimmy carter's presidency, that's when she and her husband became very committed, confirmed, and permanent republicans. so he did two things. he got her involved in politics, and he ultimately was responsible for getting other involved in conservative republican politics. bill they didn't like what they saw behind the curtain when they went town to plain, georgia. on the whole idea of mitt romney, rick perry hit him pretty hard on what they call romneycare in massachusetts. how do you think he best defend himself or explains his position in this primary season? >> one thing that he has done that's good is he

separated the fact that a state program is different from a federal, because you have different constitutions. but i said for many, many months, bill, that i think romney's best approach is to say we had a situation in our state that needed to be addressed, we attempted to address it. some things didn't work very well. the president should have seen that an individual mandate like this is not necessarily a good idea, and instead of imploding it on 50 states, back away from it. bill: do you think it's gone far enough yet? >> not yet. but i think he can get there. anit's a question of whether he will. i understand you don't want to disavow something thaw worked so hard to achieve, but i think there's also a point to say it did not have all of the intended consequences that we wanted it to, which was to lower health care costs, as well as bring assessibility. bill: and make the differences distinct between what happened in massachusetts and what is suggested under the health care law. >> exactly. bill: we have a lot of questions from viewers. >> do you? >> bill: as you know, bya, discussion one today, a

question that has been submitted to the fox news channel in connection with the google debate that you will see in prime time next thursday night, watch the video submission right here: >> the younger generation is considerably worried about the national debt and wondering if we'll ever pay it off. under your presidency, about how long do you predict it would take you to see a surplus in our budget and what would you do to make it happen as quickly ats possible? bill: so then if you were to get that question, you're one of the eight men or women on stage, what kind of a time frame would you give to explain that? >> i think what we have to do is talk about that you cannot get the budget balanced, you cannot deal with the debt simply by cutting spending or raising taxes. the key is growing the economy and the key to growing the economy is to create a business environment where people are willing to hire and invest and take some risk. nobody is willing to do that. it also means the government has got to get off of the back of the banking industry so that money can flow again. a lot of the reason that things are shut down is because capital is not

flowing from creditors. so those are really specific things. but it's about growing the economy, rather than just shutting down spending. now, cutting spending, it's part of it but you can't do it all with that. bill: and these questions are so pertinent, because this is what every day americans are thinking about right now. >> they're thinking about jobs. bill: it's hard to put a calendar date on it, but if the policy changes perhaps there's a satisfactory answer for that viewer there. thank you. >> always a pleasure, bill. bill: see you saturday night, okay? >> thanks. bill: do not forget, fox news teams up with google hosting that republican debate in orlando, september 22, a week from yesterday. you can submit questions to the candidates, like alexa did just there, go to foxnews.com, scroll down to the spotlight section, click on the presidential debate, there's a link to submit your question. do that online while we are on the air right here. thank you governor, appreciate that, okay? all right. eleven minutes before the hour. back over to martha, to see what's coming up next. martha. martha: thank you very much.

the religious broadcaster pat robertson, raising a few eyebrows today. what he said about marriage and divorce, and a crippling disease that he says could justify divorce. that's coming up. plus, jimmy carter wasn't the only one giving a republican candidate the thumbs up, barry manlo says the -- manilow says he believes this guy made it. a huge fan. who made it? >> ♪ >> ♪ looks like we made it. >> ♪ >> ♪

martha: jersey shore reality series getting a ten 1* $20,000 tax credit for their

2009, the season down on the jersey shore, where the show is filmed, he says that the gym-tanned laundry gang, that's what they call themselves, attracts valuable tourism to the area but critics say that taxpayers are simply footing the bill for the crew's various exploits. >> taxpayers should not be subsidizing the bar bill or the tanning bill or the electric pill for that tanning. it's a drop in the bucket, but new jerseyans are being drowned by an accumulation of those types of dropping. >> anything related to the show, the jersey shore logo, the t-shirt time, anything that has to do with the show, they buy up. >> we're spending all our money, thanks to the jersey shore kids. >> jersey shore, that's the only reason. we couldn't have come here any other reason. >> go ahead home! governor chris christie is now being pressured to stop the tax credit. bill: making you proud,

aren't they? love it. martha: love it. bill: there is new reaction from a man driving a motorcycle who is lucky to be ave, this from his hospital bed in utah: >> thank you very much, guys, for coming out here and caring about me. i just wanted to thank all the heroes that put their lives on the line to save mine. i'm forever in debt. i can't thank them enough. i just hope they know how much they mean to me. i'd also just like to thank all the cops, the emts that helped me out as well. getting me into the ambulance, and to the hospital. i've always thought that life is extremely precious, but having this experience just makes it that much more precious to me. i should have died several

times. really. i should have died when i hit the pavement, i should have died when i hit the car, i should have died when the car burst into flames. but i didn't. for some reason. and it just makes life that much more precious to me. >> when i was under the car, it was completely surreal. it's like i remember seeing the car, and i was just, like, how did i even fit under here, and then i just tried to move my head, and i could barely move my head without hitting asphalt or exhaust, and then it was lights out, and then when the guy in the green shirt was talking to me, that was the scariest thing i've ever dealt with in my life, because i was conscious, but i couldn't move yet, and i couldn't talk for a while. and i just thought i was going to be paralyzed. at best. bill: wow.

he says he will never ride without a helmet again. recovering from broken bones and burns and road rash, among other injuries. that man is one lucky man. martha: he is. he's been given a gift and it sounds like he knows it. all right, we've got some disturbing new reports on our country's jobs crisis. a state where jobs played a crucial role in the 2010 election. >> we have a problem with a fellow who says he's done more. he's done more for unemployment. we have 14.2% unemployment here in nevada. and we in nevada are saying, harry reid, stop doing more. angela ] endless shrimp is our most popular promotion at red lobster.

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martha: all right, everybody, welcome back, we are getting in brand new numbers on the unemployment crisis. and we're looking at this state by state. the hardest-hit state of all, seems to be that one you are looking at there, nevada.

home to senate majority leader, democrat harry reid, topping all of the other states, it has a 13.4% jobless rate. in the month of august and that is up nearly a half a percent from the month of july. population of about 2.7 million, that is more than 176,000 people in the state of nevada, with no work. that is a brand new hour, starting now of "america's newsroom." we are very glad to have you with us on this friday morning, hey, everybody i'm martha maccallum. bill: i'm bill hemmer. good morning to you, martha. martha: we've almost made it. martha: almost. bill: nicely done... that news in nevada now, the third consecutive month of rising unemployment, the silver state is not the only place where jobs are drying up. there are so many examples out there, already. martha: and sadly you have georgia, wisconsin, utah, and michigan. all ticked higher in their state unemployment rate last month, illinois rose sharply to 10% unemployment and gerri willis, host of "the willis report" on

the fox business network. state by state, the story of so many individuals and lives. >> and to see the numbers tick higher after an august that was abysmal by any standards, zero jobs created. in the month of august, it is shocking, you mentioned nevada is a real problem there, continues to be housing and the number of homes, foreclosed on, in august, alone, some 57,000 homes, think about that. just in nevada. a dismal situation, for them there, you mentioned georgia, wisconsin and illinois is one state where jobs, the jobless rate is spiking sharply to 9.9 and even if you look at the states where jobless numbers are going down, rates are not reassuring, rhode island, 10.6%, new jersey down to 9.4%, tennessee down to 9.7% and if the devil is in details, the details are not reassuring. martha: what do we think this is

largest reason for this, right now, for jobs still being lost, gerri at this stage of the recession? >> well, you know, it's the double dip. that is what we have been talking about, there is a double dip, is the economy shrinking, even now and i think more and more economist out there are saying, that that is very, very likely. and, when there is so much uncertainty and concern about the economy out there, employers don't have the confidence to bring on new workers and new employees and don't know what the scenario will be with regulations, that is a big concern, a big worry, a big cost and a lot of people are standing pat or letting people go and we continue to get reports of companies that are laying off people, so, in that kind of scenario and that kind of environment, job expansion, just cannot happen. martha: and, you look at the markets, overall, they seem to be responding mostly this week to whais happening in europe. >> right. martha: how focused are they still in the underlying fundamentals on domestic u.s. economy? >> well, just look at gold. gold continues to spike higher, and that is not a good signal of confidence in the economy, at

all. and, of course, most traders focused on what is going on in europe, because, europe could impact us, if there are more major problems there, as you know, yesterday, the treasury department, the federal reserve saying we'll pump dollars into europe, so, we are back-stopping those economies as well. martha: you look at the political picture of all of this and, the states and, folks looking at running for office and you can see why democrats are backing away from the jobs bill. look at the jobs picture in their home states and they have a lot to answer for now, thank you very much. >> martha, before i go i want to mention, on monday, we're going to be interviewing john boehner, the speaker of the house, about his plan for jobs, and about his plan for the debt and the deficit. we'll have that interview, monday night at 5:00 p.m., on fbn, on "the willis report." martha: great, we'll look forward to that. bill: a good guest, as we say. martha: sure is. bill: as republicans slam the white house over the matter,

there are billions of dollars of loans coming down the pipeline a solar panel maker declaring bankruptcy despite federal loan guarantees and lawmakers want the administration to rethink the investment plan and the white house press secretary, jay carney was asked a lot about this and he says they are moving to... >> focus on these clean energy technologies, cutting-edge technologies, remains as strong today as it was when the president took office. bill: wendell goler joins us on the north lawn of the white house, good morning to you. do we know how many more loans are coming, wendell? >> reporter: in fact, 15, bill, worth $10 billion are being considered now. with two weeks to go, before the stimulus program expires, and as you point out, the republicans are waving red flags, the energy department saying these application will not be rushed to get them done in the next two weeks, those not finished by then will not be provided but,

alaska senator lisa murkowski is not reassured. >> my concern is, we have a colossal failure within the department of energy with regards to this loan guarantee. it is calling into question every loan guarantee that has been issued and quite clearly any future loan guarantees that will go forward. >> reporter: an energy department e-mail from two years ago, actually predicted the company could run out of money in september, and another in january when the company was on the ropes argued whether it would be better politically to let it go belly up then for arrange more private investment if it delayed the inevitable closer to 2012. bill: and yesterday we heard at least four other companies are going bankruptcy. a lot of these companies say they lose out because of chinese competition and what is the white house response on this matter? >> reporter: well, press

secretary jay carney says that the loan guarantee was provided after a merit-based assessment, and there is no evidence that the white house was involved in any way, and he said the nature of cutting-edge technology, that it is high-risk and high reward and they knew some of these companies would fail but, carney says, the president is determined to promote green energy technology, because, the country is going to need it. >> we will be buying renewable energy products, you know, whether it is wind, biofuel, solar, whether it -- you know, advanced battery technology, we'll be buying that stuff. do we want to buy it with a stamp on it that says made in america or buy it from the chinese or from other countries? >> reporter: ultimately, the company couldn't compete with cheaper chinese solar panels, as you point out and other solar panel companies that have gone bankrupt in the past month, and the treasury department launched

an investigation of the federal financing bank, which actually wrote the loan. bill: thank you for that, wendell goler on the north lawn and martha has more on this. martha: this is not the only company to go under, despite receiving stimulus funds, 4 other firms went belly up, two also made solar panels, evergreen solar, indirectly received $5.3 million through a state grant and filed for bankruptcy last month and spectrawatt got $500,000 granted, and they have closed their doors and a third firm, mountain plaza, inc. failed to have charging stations at truck stops, burned $400,000 and, olson mills, went under after an injection of $10 million and a number of these companies are talking about exactly what wendell said, they couldn't compete with china and china has cheaper labor and able to produce the solar panels and the government is giving them so

much money and that i think we'll hear more of the argument from the white house, what the problem was here. bill: we wait on that now, cheap, cheap labor and in moments we'll talk to a former worker at solyndra, one of 14 million americans out of work. did the employees think their company could make it or even would make it? coming up. martha: all right, small businesses who may not get federally backed loans, hundreds of millions of dollars are worried about the possibility of new state and city laws, that would require paid sick leave, of course, you know, workers certainly would be happy about this and the small business owners say that that regulation could put them under water. dan springer is live from seattle, and, is the third city to the require paid sick days. dan, what exactly does the law force these companies to do? >> reporter: well, yeah, it is a growing trend here. we saw it in san francisco and saw it in washington, d.c., connecticut has one on the

books, takes effect in january, and seattle, they are talking about any company that has more than four employees would have to provide five sick days a year, paid, if you have 250 employees or more, you go all the way up to 9 sick days and there is no doubt it will cost companies more money, and, small businesses, especially, say, that this is the wrong timing. right now, the unemployment rate is 9.1%, the national average, and the mayor came out recently and said he wanted to make the city more business-friendly by getting rid of unnecessary regulations. but, now he's about to sign the ordinance that many in the business community say will cost jobs and certainly, other worker benefits. >> when you have a benefit budget and you lay more costs on top, other benefits go away. benefits that an employee might prefer, health care benefits, training budgets, bonuses at the end of the year... >> reporter: and, martha, this is really interesting, the unions fought for this sick pay deal and then fought to be able to opt out of it, so they could

use sick pay as a bargaining chip to get other benefits, such as more money for their workers or else more job security, so, a union, a bargaining union can go in and say we don't want it, we want other things like more money. martha: you are writing us a check for those days and here's how we want to use the money instead. what do the supporters of the law say? >> reporter: well, not surprisingly, they say it is a public health issue and a lot of the worker don't have sick pay, work in the fast-food industry or the food industry in general and they say that this is a way to keep the workers who are sick at home, instead of coming to work and spreading diseases. and also say this is about worker retention and it will help people be happier at work and, companies will be able to keep their workers longer and happier. and, they say will not be abused and san francisco it has been tried and the average there has been three work days per year and here's a city councilman in seattle. >> it may cost individual money, certainly, and on the other hand there will be benefits, you have

a more productive worker, healthy rather than sick. >> and there are an estimated 44 million americans without sick pay right now, but there are also 14 million workers out of work, or people out of work in america who may want to trade places. back to you, martha. martha: no doubt. and you run into the situation where people say, i'll use my sick day today, so i can get a few things done. because they think that it is an entitlement, which it is in this case, thank you very much. dan springer. bill: we are now finding out a private satellite communications company, bid for a major u.s. military project and now an air force general saying he was pressured to change his comments about that project in order to fast-track the plan. what is behind all of this? plus... martha: look at that. major explosion shut down a major city, 300,000 people, and you do not want to breathe this stuff in, folks.

we'll tell you what it is. bill: plus, pat robertson raising a lot of eyebrows by saying divorce is acceptable if... if someone is suffering from alzheimer's. >> this is an ethical question that is beyond my ability to tell you but i wouldn't put a guilt trip on you if you decided that you had to have companionship and you are lonely and asking for some companionship. bill: father jonathan morris in today about what he thinks about that.

bill: toxic plume of smoke, bringing a city to a stand still. this is not what you want. watch here... man oh, man! firefighters saying they gained control over the blaze, it comes from australia. explosion rocked a plastic factory and local schools and businesses were shut down and thousands were told to get on out of there, that was probably good advice after the explosion.

six-mile zone cordoned off around the plant there. martha: all right, there's explosive new reporting out there, of intense pressure on a top-ranking air force general in order to fast-track a military project, sources telling fox news, general william shelton said that he was forced into or encouraged to change his congressional testimony in order to favor a business that is -- has a big investment from a big democratic donor. now, the company is called light squared and they deny these allegations and here they're quotes from them: "it is ludicrous to suggest lightsquare's success depends on political connections. this is a private company that has never taken one dollar in taxpayer money." all right. that is the statement from the company. let's get into this, is k. t. mcfarland, fox news national security analyst. obviously the general wanted to speak out to somebody to let them know that he was

uncomfortable with the fact that he was being pressured to sugar-coat what he saw as the technology of the company infringing on the gps that is used by the military? >> right. yeah, what it is, this is a private company, wants to build a national -- nationwide wireless network system. but, the military says, if they do that, it is going to in fact render the military gps system useless and one person i talked to served well, like if you were trying to talk on a cell phone and there is a rock concert next to you, what the wireless system would do is really be to drown out or jam the military system. so, the military wants to object. general shelton was asked about it and he said, not only do i object, i was in fact pressured to change my testimony to say that it could be fixed, there would be a work-around and in fact there is no easy or cheap work-around and there were two issues, one, should the u.s. grant a waiver or license for the company, to do something that might potentially damage

the military's ability to protect the country, and, two, is there undue pressure applied because the person who owns the company -- it is a big financial stake for the owner of the company is a major democratic obama donor in the obama campaign, so, you know, the question is, one, should we do it, and, b, where is all the pressure coming from on a sitting military officer? martha: i find it really interesting, the general clearly wanted to get the information out there. that he really was not comfortable with the fact that he was getting pressured and he didn't say who was pressuring him, but, you know, who is likely to have oversight, with his comments. >> well, when i was at the pentagon and the reagan administration, one of my jobs was to clear congressional testimony. so... is the clearest process, the general prepared his testimony, for the house committee and, he sends it to another office in the pentagon and they say, yea or nay or make the changes and they probably will also send it to the white house, if it is something that

affects other aspects of the military budget. and, so, it is probably one of those two places and now the general has not said who pressured him and the white house denied it and the pentagon denied it, want us and the company said it wasn't us and i think, you know, when you think about what kind of a move is this on the part of the general? really gutsy move on his part to come out and say, i was pressured to change my testimony. martha: sure is. >> that is a career-breaker for him. >> it really is and that is why it has gotten so much attention. and that he felt so uncomfortable he wanted to get word out. k. t., thank you very much, we'll stay on top of this story and i know you will, too. have a good weekend. bill: a story that raised eyebrows, who legendary tv evangeli evangelist pat robertson said about marriage, father jonathan morris will weigh in on that. martha: and ron paul has a new fan, big fan, in fact! bill: that's a vote, right?

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this about him, i like him, i agree with just about everything he says, he's a candidate for the republican presidential nomination. and, notoriously independent on many major issues and, attracts a very wide variety of voters. and, barry manilow is known for being a democratic political donor and i guess not this time and ron paul has a big new fan-ilow! bill: one writes the songs, one gets the votes, i'm sensing itunes download, later today! tar take us back. >> greatest hits and bill in middle school, singing them all. bill: and we did! 24 minutes after the hour. and, so, a bombshell from pat robertson, the tv evangelist telling the 700 club audience, it is okay to divorcee spouse with alzheimer's. explaining that the disease is like a death in his view. his remarks in response to a viewer's question and listen to how it played out here. >> i hate alzheimer's. it is one of the most awful

things and, the loved one, the woman or man that you have loved for 20, 30, 40 years, and, suddenly, that person is gone. they are gone. they are gone. and i know it sounds cruel, but, if he is going to do something, he should divorce her and start all over again. bill: fox news contributor father jonathan morris to talk about this. >> it is painful to listen to. bill: give me the context for that question and that comment. >> well, let's start off by saying, pat robertson has done wonderful things for many people, for many, many years. recently, the last few years he has been saying things that are outlandish and this is one of them, let me say why. first of all, the context, a caller called in and said, i have been dating somebody else, because my wife, now, is -- has alzheimer's and doesn't recognize me. and is that okay and he goes on and gives the explanation he gave and it , better than datin somebody else behind the back of

your spouse, divorce him or her and start all over. the problem is, he says, because your spouse is gone. gone. gone. and that spouse is not gone. perhaps mentally. but, you have made a commitment for better or for worse, in sickness and in health, until death does us part. bill: that breaks the contract. >> obviously. you know, it is the contrast between, i thought about this earlier this morning, we saw the marine, dakota, who gave his life, right, for all of these people, putting down his life, selfless acts. i know it is really tough, my grandmother was out of her mind the last three years, she was living with us, wanting to go home, living with us, 50, 60 times a day and it was tough but that is what real love is and pat robertson has a responsibility to say, you know, i got caught off guard. bill: would you expect him to backtrack. >> i would hope so.

bill: the love and care a spouse can provide for someone, even if the response... >> i do and people around him, around pat robertson, he says, the last few years, pretty outlandish things, prophesies it's this beginning of the year, saying there will be another 9/11 like attack and, lots of things that have big consequences. people around him, have to step in and say, pastor, you know... take it easy. bill: one of the reactions from someone suggested, okay, if my husband is addicted to video games i have lost him and i cannot communicate with him, is that a fair leap? a fair jump? a fair comparison here? >> exactly. there is lots of reason to say my husband is gone, gone, gone. lots of reasons. but, especially when it comes down to a sickness, that is so clearly, the time to step in and say, this is what we promised and i love you not because of what you can give to me but because you have dignity, in and of -- inside, within, that is the person who i committed to and i will love until death. bill: and, all of those who

suffer with this disease, it is tough on everyone. >> and for all of those caretakers. no doubt it is hard. no doubt you feel like your husband is gone, gone, gone... but, it is a time to step up and say, i'm going to love, love, love. bill: all right, maybe the stair is not over, just yet. >> i don't think it will be. he's a good man. bill: thank you, father. jonathan morris. martha, what is next. martha: insightful, interesting. this is what is coming up, the nationwide manhunt for a soldier who escaped custody and said he ready to go down shooting. bill: and she worked for a company that got half a billion dollars in government-backed stimulus loans. and still lost her job. a story from inside solyndra, you'll only see here on "america's newsroom." ( grunting )

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bill: 32 minutes past the hour. rescuers recovering the body of a third miner killed in a cave in in england yesterday. police announcing charges for a ubs trader, a giant bank out of switzerland. that man accused of fraud in section with the loss of $2 billion. how about some snow? so much for summer. parts of colorado seeing the first dusting of the season. the ski slopes not open yet but some resorts will start making their own snow starting next week. 32 degrees and that and you're good. martha: yep, ready to go.

fox news alert for you right now a manhunt is underway for a shoulder who escaped from military custody. 21-year-old russell markum believed to be armed and dangerous. he was under arrest for burglary at fort drum. why are they concerned that there might be a deadly standoff at the end of this manhunt? >> reporter: they have good reason. they say he said himself he will not be taken alive. authorities say that he's suicidal, he has said that he will force police to shoot him in order to end his life. he is a private first class. he's from morgan town, west virginia, we know that. he joined the army just in august of 2010. he was deployed to afghanistan this year. and according to a fort drum spokesperson he had been under unit custody can, in the bar abgs yesterday after making bail on a civilian burglary charge. he was not under military police

custody. he was being watched by a member of his unit. at some point he stole a vehicle, led police on a chase that spanned at least three counties. 9:30 last night authorities spotted that vehicle in western new york. they used stop sticks, they used spikes, they punctured the tires. he lost control, veered off the road, he jumped out of the vehicle and ran. he was last known to be in a swampy area somewhere in that vicinity. he is 20 years old, as you said, he's being described as being 6'3" inches tall, 180 pounds with brown hair and blue eyes. he was last seen in camouflage and he may be wearing a bulletproof vest. if you see him call 911. martha. martha: do we know anything else about this burglary arrest, what happened initially? >> reporter: it was pretty minor it happened over the labor day weekend. the owner of a storage facility found him allegedly trying to steal property from some of the units, that included a $700

plasma tv and now he's in all sorts of trouble. martha: he sure is. heather, thank you very much r. bill: now he's on tv for the wrong reasons. fixing america's schools. it is no argument that america needs to do a better job teaching our children. in a new special john stossel looks at innovation in education and what might be holding that innovation back. >> city schools are terrible because of unions like yours. >> i would disagree. we have progress as a result of unions. >> reporter: three days before they led this protest march about plans to pay teachers on how well the students do on test. the protestors wrote an antitest song [. ♪ [singing] >> there is a profit motive behind all of this extra testing. >> we need to get the corporations out of the

schools. >> reporter: the union says school choice is a rich corporation but would further eup impoverish poor teachessers. teachers paid enough? >> no. >> reporter: some teachers are making over a hundred thousand dollars. >> and they aren't making enough. >> reporter: matt damon agrees with that. his mom is a teacher. >> a teacher wants to teach. why else would you sake a [bleep] salary and really long hours and do that job unless you really love to do it? >> reporter: teachers make a [bleep] salary? maybe to matt damon. today american teachers make more per hour than accountants, nursers, architects. bill: it's called stupid in america. john stossel would only come up

with that title. what else did we learn. >> reporter: it's stupid that we let a monopoly educate our kids. government ma tphop lease don't do anything very well. they have been in charge with the kids. there is cool stuff happening, that is the good news. i've been in classrooms where kids are excited about learning. are schools boring? they say, no eyes not. these are fourth graders from inner-city schools where traditionally they became bored and dropped out. bill: did you come away from this more optimistic or pessimistic. >> reporter: more optimistic. i did a stupid 20-20 show and everybody was a prisoner of the system unless you had enough money, as i do to pay for private school. now there are free charter schools, experimental schools.

not awful them are great, but the beauty is when they are not good the parents don't choose them and they are out of good. when they are good they are there forever. bill: there are a lot of good teachers out there that will tune in what you have to say. >> reporter: they are teaching now, it's friday. bill: fair point, dvr, right? where does this debate go about salaries? we just heard a little bit about that. >> reporter: it's heart of a myth that the schools are underfunded, that we are doing poorly compared to other countries because we don't really value education. but we're spending four times -- three times what we spent 40 years ago and test scores are flat. we are now spending $200,000 per classroom. think what you could do with $200,000 per classroom. not capital costs just staff. you could hire four teachers for that. teachers make an above average income, moneys i can poured into schools. they have fancy new buildings, more assistant principals.

without competition scores haven't gone up. bill: i'm looking forward to seeing it. and i think you'll uncover it a lot. i think you'll make us think. thank you john. it's called stupid in america. it heirs 10:00 tomorrow night eastern time on the fox news channel, thank you, john. martha: it is a scandal that is rock the white house, and beyond. we will hear from a worker inside solyndra about what happened when it all came crashing down. >> reporter: do you believe the obama administration wasn't feasible. >> absolutely. i wasn't high on the totem pole at all and even someone like me knew that and we were breaking ground. [ s lie

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bill: we had bobby jindal on our

show saying he did not agree a hundred percent with everything rick perry says. jindal says that perry is the most qualified to fix the economy. >> i'm supporting rick perry. he stood against the taxes, against government spending. he has a proven track record, in texas they recreated over a million jobs. bill: governor perry is in front of the pack for the polling ahead of the massachusetts governor mitt romney who places number two in those surveys. martha: 1100 people woke up one morning to find out they had lost their job at so lind at solyndra. the obama administration under fire foray proving a massive loan to the company while reportedly knowing they were on the brink of very big financial problems and potentially even bankruptcy.

elizabeth gillette is one of those employees and she joins me now. thank you so much for talking to us this morning. >> thank you. martha: take me back a little bit. tell me what your understanding was of how things were going at the company and what it was like when you and all of those other employees suddenly got a pink slip out of the blue. >> well, it was completely shocking. no one seen it coming. it was business as usual the day before, you know, we had meetings, work was normal, then august 31st we find out the day that she show up to work that, you are no longer employed. very shocking. martha: what were you told was the reason? >> that they filed chapter 11 bankruptcy. martha: now you said you were in manufacturing initially. you know, there are some reports that they were having problems with some of the manufacturing of these solar panels, that things weren't going all that well. what did you think about that? >> um, you know, that is kind of in the nature of the business of

manufacturing, you know. you do have some material that is not going well, but then you do have some that is. it's kind of the nature of the business really. i thought our panels were very good, actually. martha: you did. and what about the posture of the company? were they expanding? i knowuilthey builthily at the l of t happened? >> they were,y were actual -- we had some managers inrviews within the nexto couple of days. they were not expanding the company, but they were in the middle of hiring new people, yes. martha: so, i mean as you kind of work all this over in your mind, do you think that some people at the company knew what was going on and others didn't? do you think that -- what is your take as y get together with the other employees and you talk to each other on the phone having lost your jobs about what really happened here? >> yeah, we did know that the managers and our directors of our departments, they did not

know. business was as usual. they were shocked just as we were. as far as the higher executives, i personally think that they did know that something was going on and they just didn't tell us. martha: what do you make of the fact that there were loan guarantees that were backed by the administration, by the government, and now there is a lot of speculation about whether or not the u.s. government knew that there were iues with this company when they got involved? >> yeah, i'm not sure what to say on that. i'm just as shocked and want answers myself. martha: do you think -- do you suspect that there was any corruption, that anybody was stealing money in this company? the f.b.i. is in there, they've taken huge boxes of all these documents and marched out the door. what about that angle of all of this? >> well, you know, there is a lot of speculations out there, and to be honest i'm just letting the f.b.i. do their

job. i would hope that they didn't do that to us, but i really -- i don't know if they did or not. martha: what is your plan, elizabeth? what are you going to do now. >> i'm sitting at my computer every day looking for jobs. we have a job fair coming up next friday, i'm planning to attend. pretty much putting my resume automatic there to all the companies out there, looking for jobs. martha: we are sorry about what happened in this situation. we hope you find something soon, and we're glad you joined us. thank you so much for being here today. >> thank you. bill: remember that jobs fair in l.a. a few weeks ago, thousands and thousands of people who showed up to put a resume in front of prospective employers. jon scott is on "happening now," he's always "happening now," aren't you jon. jon: doing my best, bill. bill: yes you are. jon: talking about that unemployment situation. listen to this. some eye-opening reports that economists are now saying there is a one in three chance this country could slip back into a

second recession. if that happens what will the political fallout be? karl rove joins us at the top of the hour. plus gruesome scenes of cartel violence becoming almost commonplace on our southern border. should we resort to treating drug gangs as insurgents,. essentially terrorists? a spike in the number of children sent to the emergency room after being poisoned by prescription medications. the rate is on the increase. what you need to know to protect your kids, it's coming up in 12 minutes at the top of the hour. bill: we will see you then, changs. jurors getting their first look at the crime scene evidence at a millionaire's murder trial while prosecutors say there was no say this was a suicide attempt gone wrong. martha: what looks to be a tornado getting too close for comfort. we'll show you how all this ends. >> well, look at that, it's a tornado. right there.

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martha: pretty cool video. it's what could be the beginnings of a tornado, and you get an up close look at it. check this out. >> holy cow. >> there is a weather alert on. >> yeah it looks like it's starting to dissipate. no, no it's not, it's coming across the island. martha: owe, boy. bill: time to move. martha: this is amateur video from ocean city, maryland. they are looking into whether the tornado hit land. it damaged cars and trees in the area. but holy cow, bill. bill: yeah, look at that crow.

we are finding out jurors are seeing new evidence in court today in the trial of a millionaire accused of willing his wife. at the moment a crime scene investigator is on that stand, and steve harrigan has been watching this trial for us live out of miami. there's been some emotional testimony so far, steve. what are the developments from this morning? >> reporter: some brutal testimony this morning as well as some images, some too gory for us to show you on camera it's been crime scene investigators testifying about what happened inside that master bedroom. the blood spatter, the bloodstains, the room really a mix of red and purple stains, red from the blood, purple from the red wine. diane ward 55 years old shot between the eyes. prosecution says by her husband, the defense says by herself. but there is no denying it is a gory scene inside that bedroom. the pictures were shown, bob ward accused of second-degree murder covered his face with

eyes. his two college-aged daughters left the courtroom when those photos came up. bill: it seemed to evolve from the 911 call where he admits to shooting his wife, what has happened there based on the facts as we have them, steve. >> reporter: his story has changed over time. initially five separate times on that 911 call bob ward saying, i just shot my wife. thathat evolved to a struggle over the gun and now to the latest that his wife shot herself. they say bob ward did not mean what he said on that 911 call. they said he felt morally responsible for not being able to stop his wife from shooting herself. when bob ward said five times, i just shot my wife he really meant, i'm sorry i wasn't able to stop my wife from shooting herself. this trial has developed intense

interest in the trial across florida. bill: thank you, mart that. martha: one in three economists say that they believe another recession is right around the corner. just ahead, karl rove on what it means for president obama and the other candidates as they are on the road to 2012. i'm robert shapiro. over a million people have discovered how easy it is to use legalzoom for important legalocuments. so start your business, protect your family, launch your dreams. at legalzoom.com we pu. but think about your heart. 2% has over half the saturated fat of whole milk. want to cut back on fat and not compromisen taste? try smart balance fat free milk. it's what you'd expect from the folks at smart balance.

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didn't make the extra effort required to get there. martha: exactly. bill: sunday night really want to encourage our viewers to check out a brand-new fox news reporting special on iran's nuclear secrets. some terrific reporting from amy kellogg and eric shawn, all shows the program on sunday evening. thinks as relevant at it ever has been. we will layout the facts based on what we know. you can draw your own conclusion as to what iran is up to. it has said for some time it's civilian purposes, an energy program. some say they want the bomb, that's sunday night. martha: thank you very much to bill hemmer for that. we will see you all on monday. "happening now" gets started right about now. bill: have a good weekend. jenna: we hope you're having a great jury, everybody, so glad you're here to join us. i'm jenna