championship air races. the plan a world war ii air fighter plane. 400 feet off the ground suddenly nose dived into the grandstand. it was caught on tape. joining us jeff martinez. tell me what you saw? >> devastating event out here, unbelievable. i'm in our rv, maybe two blocks from the grandstand here with my 2-year-old daughter. we had come out here to watch the races and by 7-year-old we saw the thunderbirds yesterday. we were in the grandstands. today, walked into the event. the last race of the day. planes are coming around, no problem. all of a study see a silver plane take a right turn coming toward the rv park. i grabbed my daughter, we ran back. last minute, just before the grandstands i saw a big cloud of smoke, lots of debris and i couldn't believe it. i thought oh my god, a lot of

people have got to be injured. thank god, it looked like it was coming right at us. >> greta: a lot of viewers are unfamiliar with the national championship air races can you tell us what that is? >> it is an amazing event. nascar in the air if you will. we've got different classes of planes, jets to propeller planes and they fly up to 400 miles an hour, maybe 500 feet off the ground they have a course that goes around the airport. every year it is usually good. sometimes we have crashes here and there. never on this horrific scale. yesterday the thunderbirds were out, we watched that. it was great. i'm thinking as a parent thank god we weren't out there today. looking at video and everything going on. >> greta: the pilot jimmy lee he has died as a result of this crash which is obvious

from looking at this tape, one might suspect that. in terms of the casualties so far we are hearing 12 dead. a number of people we expect it going to grow higher in watching this plane, did you hear the engine cut? any indication as to why this plane suddenly nosedived? >> oh my gosh, i have no idea. like i said, everything was going normal they were racing 10 minutes it had just started. everything was going great. all of a study saw the -- saw it cut to the right and came straight toward the grandstand heading for the rv park where were were. at the last minute it went straight down. i saw smoke and debris everywhere. oh my god, we just got out of the way, believable. >> greta: some of these planes are flying close to each other. this plane seems to be flying solo were there other planes

in formation and racing with it? >> yeah the racers they line-up at the start, four, five, wide they all line-up even. they start the course. once the race begins, like any race whoever gets ahead they go around the and as fast as they can this is a dangerous sport. they are 500, 800 feet off the , 400 plus miles-an-hour. every coup years something like this happens. i think about three years ago, there was a crash. usually there is safety they keep them from the stands. i don't know what happened this guy veered to the right toward the grandstand coming toward us. all of a sudden went straight down and i said my god there's going to be a lot of injuries. >> greta: indeed. at least 12 dead. many injured. we'll continue get the reports.

jeff, thank you. we are going to have more report on this breaking news throughout the hour, as we get it. >> new scandal, accusations are flying in washington. did the white house try to influence the testimony of a top general? house republicans making a stunning accusation today saying general william shelton head of the air force space command was pressured by the administration to change his testimony before congress to support a billionaire democratic donor's company. a satellite communications firm called lightsquared. right now house republicans are demanding answers. the pressure is on the white house. how did it start? we asked ohio congressman mike turner, a republican on the house arms services committee. congressman, nice to see you. >> good seeing you. >> greta: tell me, general shelton, con a obviously swirling around him. why -- why was he first called to testify? >> our subcommittee looks at the issue of threats to national security. in this program, or proposal

that lightsquared has brought forward that appears to be moving through the fcc there's serious concerns that it threatens our national security by interfearing with gps on which our department of defense is so much dependent. >> greta: we should explain. lightsquared what is their technology they are seeking to get on the market? >> lightsquared has a broadband system constructing 40,000 towers that would jam the gps system for our missiles. would affect agricultural  that would crowd out those important precision users of gps, highly impactful to our national security and department of defense. general shelton correctly came forward and stated this affects our national security. that it interferes with gps and the fcc should not be going forward with the proposal. >> greta: light squared is competing with verizon and at&t, right those are the come pet -- competitors in the

civilian market? >> right offering directly to consumers. ing concern by our military as to whether that should be available or not, correct? >> right. the real concern is there is irregular process going through the fkc. this lightsquared proposal is -- strangely moving forward even in light of the department of defense unambiguously stating this affects national security, our ability to utilize gps in precision ways. also, through general shelton's process of approving his testimony, his testimony was shared outside of the department of defense and the white house, the administration, he believes perhaps with lightsquared themselves an effort was brought forward to insert language in his testimony that would have downplayed the effect to national security th is of grave concern when we have something so unambiguously affects national

security. the general strongly stating this affects our national security. >> greta: that's the polite way to say what the controversy is. what everyone is now hair on fire about. is the suggeion this general thought this was bad technology to be on the market since it affects our national security even how we do training and drop or thanks and now the big suggestion that you -- ordnances and now the big suggestion that presumably someone higher up in the chain of command put a damper on it. >> absolutely to like it -- make it look like lightsquared could move forward when it puts at risk our training, agriculture is tells national security this should not be considered by the fcc yet it continues to move forward in a highly irregular process. >> greta: who did he said

pressured him and how? >> he did not report who had proposed the language that would have lessened the his testimony. he said he believed his hc4hbeen shared withhis lightsquared themselves. we did not press the general for him to finger point. he did say that he resisted the efforts to put the language in his testimony. the general stood firm and said this affects national security. this is still pending before the fcc. even though the general has come forward our subcommittee and stated this affects national security the fcc is still proceeding. we think this is something that needs to be stopped. >> greta: ma would be the first question i would ask. if a general says, i think this affect our national security but i'm getting heat to soften the language to presumably show some advantage to lightsquared i would ask who is putting pressure on you and why? those would be the questions i would ask. you didn't ask those? >> he clearly stated it was through the administration.

he did not go further who he believe was the source of the pressure other than they were working in concert with lightsquared. >> greta: are you interested in that? >> absolutely. what we did in our subcommittee. our committee is the armed services committee. we have the issue of national security. we've referred this to the house oversight committee. we believe there needs to be a further investigation as to what is happening at the fcc. the chairman refused to testify before our subcommittee many looking at how that influence is occurring. and how is in general trying to be influenced when he has a simple task to report for the -- this country the affects on national security. >> greta: i don't get into no one in your committee zeroed in. i would say wait, a general is having pressure on national security issues to temper his remarks. i would want to know right

away who did it and why. i would pull the string on that. >> we did pressure the general. the general did not want to talk about it at this point. saying he's not certain and did not want to point fingers. i was an issue we believe was coming from the administration this is something the house oversight committee needs to pursue. i sit on that committee. does this affect national security, gps? it was our effort he to make sure the country knew that the fcc is proceeding with the highly irregular process that could affect our national security. how the administration is trying to affect that, is something we need additional congressional hearings on. >> greta: here's what i don't understand. as i understand the concern about the lightsquared technology as we train our military to drop ordnances on specific targets this technology may interfere with gps so we don't hit the targets, correct? >> absolutely. just --

>> greta: within follow-up question. that technology -- one follow-up question. that toke nothing, do the iranians have that technology for whatever reason we want to take out their nuclear plant if we sent meone to try to take out a nuclear plant our gps could be scrambled or there would be so much noise our gps would be wrong? >> it is not an issue as it relates to other countries. >> greta: why not? >> the ability to go in that country and take out that source we have precision guided missions. we have the ability to go in the country take out the source jamming it and continue to proceed. this the fcc would allow it to be constructed in our country, thereby blocking the use of gps by our military which would be of great threat if you look at the hearing we had yesterday, the general is clearly concerned and says this absolutely affects our national security here,

domestically. >> greta: explain it to me one more time. sorry to be so dense. whatever it is we fear that would interfere training here i wonder if anybody has the same technology it interferes with the gps so we can spot targets and hit them. whatever technology we are arguing about here in the united states, whether our countries not friendly us to might have that same technology so there's a broader national security issue that we are not looking at. >> there are other countries that do have systems that attempt to jam gps. we have an ability to target those systems, rendering them ineffective and being able to proceed. the problem here, this would be permitted by the fcc, con ed in our own country. affect our ability to -- train and utilize gps and defend ourselves. it would impact some commercial operations. >> greta: do you believe this is -- i've read all the news suggesting this is a

democratic contributor and there a be some reason to put heat on this general to testify. do you have any reason to believe this is pressure for political reasons? >> certainly, i think everyone should be concerned about that. yesterday at our hearing we refer this over to the house oversight committee to look into the issue of the general's testimony being interfered windchill the prospect that lightsquared has undue influence and -- perhaps the fcc is biased moving forward and what political influence the white house is asserting on dod, this general and the fcc. >> greta: any e-mails or anything else to bring us beyond the suspicion level? >> we had general's direct statements. he has reported there was attempted to interfere with his testimony to bias his testimony. that that bears further investigation. the general himself doesn't have to refer to e-mails and a file he himself knows that his testimony was attempted to be

altered. >> greta: that's a very serious issue. hope we get to the bottom of it. thank you congressman. >> thanks greta. >> greta: after the interview congressman turner clarify one of his answers. one of our producers was told the committee did press general shelton about who was pressuring him to alter his testimony. they did not press him during his testimony to the committee. john bolton joins us. good evening. >> good evening. >> greta: how serious is this? >> very serious. as bad as the pressuring of the general for his testimony was, that's just the tip of the iceberg. every agency -- agency in the federal government that depends on gps, congress, al culture, justice has expressed grave concern about the way this lightsquared application has been handled by the fcc. all of their concerns have been shunt add side. we don't know the reasons. in the she had -- federal

communications we have a rogue agency pushing this application through over many, many objections. scientific, technological objections. there's been a huge amount of controversy over this. and every agency in the government was surprised earlier this year when they heard this lightsquared application had been approved provisionally in the first place. >> greta: a little suspicious, -- [ unintelligible ] what it says -- this is enough to look into it. this is not proof. one of the president's big bundlers is chairman of the fcc. owner of lightsquared is a big democratic donor. of course the -- the president was an early investor. i'm sure he's far removed from this now. >> the fact that he's an owner will play no part in their decision as they consider what to do. his ownership will play no mart -- no part in their

decision. >> greta: if he is an investors all assets are in a blind trust. those are the things that spike the opposition's criticism. >> worst part, whatever the cause of this speed-up is this through the regulatory process by light squared that could cause enormous damage to gps not just that the military uses but that we use everyday in our cars. >> greta: this contribution with the company out in california. they pushed that through quick limb >> pass in bill, pass this bill. -- >> greta: let me say sarcastically. unemployment in this country. when the president said he had a jobs plan but wouldn't release it for a couple of weeks. i thought that was the time we should move quickly. i don't like the fact the things he does move quickly have been catastrophic at least in terms of this bankruptcy. the question i asked of the

congressman. i gave a hypothetical of iran. this technology in the united states. do other countries have the ability to jam or overpowered with noise or whatever our gps? >> certainly, they would try if they could see the spectrum interference caused by lightsquared and get access to that technology and copy it, they would use it again our forces in combat, no doubt about it. lightsquared says we can fix this. we can put a filter in so it won't affect gps. they tried to amend their application this summer. this month in public testimony the official who coordinates the process to protect gps testified that in the tests they ran 33 high precision receivers were testified against lightsquared signal, 31 famed the test. this is an extraordinarily -- failed the test. this is an extraordinarilyñwv f serious matter jammed through over the observings of every

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>> greta: fox news alert. horrific scene in reno, nevada plane crashes during the air races. reports of up to 12 dead. dozens are injured. some seriously. we are awaiting a press conference from the president of the reno air races with an update. we'll bring it to you as soon as it happens. stand by for that now the scandal that has the obama administration scrambling to explain. solyndra, how does a company get 535 million dollars and go belly-up? what happened, why did solyndra fail? >> well, it took all money in and spent it and then it couldn't sell the product that it was making.

it couldn't sell it at the price that it needed. they burned through the money. >> greta: in reading your article, it seems insane. i would never invest one of my dollars in it in 2009 the cost of the product cost $4 to make and they were being sold on the market for $3.24. >> many companies, when they are young start-up companies losing money with the expectation that the fixed cost will get amortized over time. that's the expectation this company had. that the more panels they would produce they would sell all and the cost for each would be lower. they weren't able to do that. >> greta: in 2009 solyndra lost 172.5 million dollars on revenue of over 100 million. wasn't that a tip-off at leave

the company was failing and maybe no one should invest in it? >> the market at that point was already declining in terms of how much solar panels cost. the price at which they sold, the price was falling. even in 2009, there were companies that were holding back on expansion. solyndra said it would have to expand the bigger the growth, the better. >> greta: one of the most stunning things in the article today said u.s. competition with a company called first solar, inc. and that was a successful company. i have yet to understand why didn't we take our stimulus money and go to the successful business and expand it and create jobs? if you look at the numbers, there is no good sign this was one losing company from the get-go. >> first of all, the government is backing first solar's projects. but, the idea behind this loan guarantee program was to

invest in start-ups that have innovative technologies that need money that they can get from a standard bank. but that would take us forward and take the technology to commercialization. >> greta: big sign if you can get from it a standard bank, who is going to invest. that might have been a good tip for the got. great article. thank you. >> thank you. >> greta: if you thought the solyndra scandal was bad, it is. but here is worst news. solyndra is only the tip of the iceberg. not the only company go belly-up after receiving a big piece of our stimulus package. byron york joins us. solyndra is not the only one? >> it is not. the green jobs initiative, clean energy initiative is a big part of the obama administration coming in. stimulus money has gone to a lot of other companies. some companies have gone

bankrupt. evergreen solar that made so -- solar panels they found they could be made cheaper in china. they are going to start doing something like that over there. the stimulus had 38 billion dollars for a particular loan guaranteed program for for clean energy. they've spent about 19 million dollars -- 19 billion dollars of that. "washington post" did a story on that this week. of that 19 billion dollars, they've created 3,345 jobs. you do the math it is insane. >> greta: how much a kwrb? >> 5.4 million dollars -- in loan guarantees, per job. >> greta: that's just nuts. maybe they ought to get someone who understands business. that is appalling. >> this was very important to the administration. because it seemed to solve two big problems. it seemed to be a way to create jobs and attack the

economic downturn. and also away to deal with cleaning up the environment. [ talking over each other ] >> greta: i'm not opposed to cleaning up the environment. if you are going to first solar iinc at least they were successful. just because you want to cleanup the environment doesn't mean you take other people's money and invest in some comny that is doomed for failure. at least go to this one expand and be successful. frankly it is idiotic to do anything else. >> they face two problems. one the money that has been thrown away like solyndra's money. other is the money no getting much bang for the buck. obviously, one of the big criticisms of the stimulus is it hasn't created as many jobs as expected for the amount that was . -- that was spent. tick khrarl true in the clean stpherbg for. >> greta: the money we give on butted to solyndra

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>> greta: fox news alert. horror in nevada. associated press reporting three are dead after a plane came crashing down into the grandstands at a crowded air show in reno hours ago. emergency officials fear more deaths are likely. more than 50 injured, some very critical. we are standing by for a press conference. we are joined by mike draper with r & r partners acting spokesman for the air show. good evening mike. mike, what happened? >> we had a plane crash into the box seat area in front of our grandstand at about 4:15 this afternoon. it was a mass casualty incident. emergency personnel from all over the area responded and

are responding. the pilot was a gentleman named jimmy leeward, flying a p-51 mustang. we don't have official confirmation of anyone's injuries or status. we are confident to announce that the pilot did die in the crash. and in fact we'll have a memorial for the pilot tomorrow at 1 p.m.. >> greta: mike, do you know there was any reported trouble with that plane earlier? any unusual maintenance work done on that plane in the last couple of days? >> i don't greta. as many air race fans might know all these planes are highly modified. as far as i'm aware, there were no difficulties or troubles that had been reported either earlier the day or leading up to this. >> greta i suspect that the racing group is pretty well know each other it is pretty close.

did you know jimmy lee ward? >> i met him a couple of times. he is a good friend to the air race family. as you said it is a family. jimmy was a good friend to the family. i knew jimmy. i don't think jimmy knew me, but i had a lot of respect for him. >> greta: what did -- what can you tell us about his experience? >> he is nothing short of an air race legend. i don't know the exact years he's been racing. jimmy was 74-years-old. he's been towing this a long time. >> greta: anything about his health? for instance, do you have to have a physical, any specific medical tests before you do these tricks and these races? >> you know, i'm not sure exactly of the physical safety protocol there is significant safety protocol put in place year round. right now we can't speculate on what the cause might be. i haven't heard anything about

the conditions or anything like that. certainly, the faa and national transportation safety board are investigating. at some point i'm sure their spokes people will come out with further comments. >> greta: mike, thank you. >> thank you greta. >> greta: we'll take you back to reno where the scene is who are -- is horrific. three reported dead. latest developments on this tragic story are straight ahead. i know you're worried about making your savis last and having enough income when you retire. that's why i'm here -- to help come up with a plan and get you on the right path. i have more than a thousand fidelity experts working with me

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the lock down was promised by earlier reports of a possible gunman at the base. >> colorado authorities say a deadly listeria outbreak has been linked to cantlope from a single farm in the state. colorado's chief medical officer saying samples taken from a jensen farm's cantlope matches the strain found in the 12 cases of the infection in colorado. the outbreak hasekened 22 around the country. two -- has sickend 22 around the country. two have died and two other deaths are under investigation. i'm nita vogel in los angeles, now back to on the record with greta. >> greta: more grim news for the economy. economists say there's a one in three chance we will slip into another recession over the next 12 months. dennis two quick things. economies are all employed so it is easy for them to say we are not in a recession. state unemployment rates have come in for august, 29 states

have a greater unemployment rate than the month before. 12 have a lower and 11 remain the same. any way, tell me. >> if i could break in. economists are more depressed now than in two years why? you have to read the newspaper. no jobs growth, most recent month. bookly jobless claims up this week unexpectedly. -- manufacturing slack. retail is slack. i say we will not go into recession. i'll bet you a both of them dom peron that we don't. -- >> greta: i think the business about recession is ash extraordinary. i don't care what the economies are saying and their models with macro and microeconomics for the most part economists the only hiring they do are research assistants. you don't have a job, we are in a recession. >> sure, if you don't have a job it is a depression. the more we talk about

recession the more in danger we are of talking ourselves into recession. here's why you shouldn't worry as much. remember the saying economies have forecast nine of the last three recessions. they always think it is going to happen. a double dip recession, very rare, last time it happened 1980. this past recession was almost a depression. the worst in decades. therefore, harder to fall from that to lower because at some point you have to do some minimum spending usually you have to see big job losses. we had 17 months of positive job growth, not great, but positive. you have to believe psychologically we could talk ourselves into this recession, don't do it. like what the leading cause of insomnia is, you lie there, worrying about not being able to get to sleep. >> greta: dennis, all this obsessing over the word recession is mumbo jumbo, a

board game among economists. >> expectations of how you feel are everything. >> greta: i understand if everyone is saying it is going to roar and be great they are going to buy, spend and rev up the economy. we did have that cheerleadering in february '0 with the stimulus bill. i have to interrupt we have to go to nevada. >> as you can tell, we've had a lot of people that have gotten together. discussing other elements of this tragedy so we can move forward. first of all, our hearts go out to all of the families, the fans those that were injured today. we are still working on some of those issues as well, as you can imagine. the ntsb is taking over the site, the investigation and the release of specific

numbers in different categories. i will say that we had a total of 54 that were engaged and have injuries. they've all been transported. the hospitals are providing some information as they see fit. of those numbers, those are just the ones that are injured and transported. we do not have a final count as far as the number of deceased. and the ntsb has, as i said they've taken it over and they will be releasing those numbers as they have them, along with medical examiner. there are some that have been deceased. some people's status has changed from the time they left the field. which want to clarify, clear up one thing that i misspoke.

jimmy lee would be mad at me, he was only 74. all of his medical records and everything were up-to-date, spot on. jimmy was a very experienced and talented, qualified pilot. the family process is still moving along. i'm not certain if they will hold a public memorial. i'm speaking as best i can for knowing the grief they are going through. knowing them personally, that they will probably not want public they are going to want to come to personal closure with their friends and other folks. timing and where, i'm not positive what is going to take place. we are working on getting together a pore public memorial that -- a more public memorial, actually the air race is doing that we are all devastated by this tragedy. we are doing everything we can

to move along and communicate and work with the folks that are directly and adversely affected by this. that's about all i've got for you now. i wish i could tell you more, i don't know a whole lot more. i will take some questions if you like. [ inaudible ] >> i don't have that specific number. >> how many confirmed? >> i don't have that specific number. >> was the plane flying too close to spectators? >> to, the plane was flying on its course. speculation has again on a different -- a number of different areas as to what took place. different people see different things. there appeared to be some air flight problem with the aircraft that caused it to go out of control. and we all know what the end result was on that. >> what does this mean for the air races this year and in years to come?

>> this year our board is 100% concurrence that in spite of the family's wishes that we continue with the event for this weekend, we are going to choose to close. >> in the years to come, what do you think? >> we are going to take one day at a time. >> when you say the ntsb will remain at the scene does that mean it will be closed to all air traffic? >> the airport is closed to all air traffic. we are hopeful to have information regarding outbound traffic by tomorrow morning. there are a lot of aircraft that are here that would like to leave. especially since the event is cancelled. they are going to remain onsite until they finish their work. they are very thorough. they are going to work at their schedule. >> any idea how long? >> it really depends -- i couldn't speak for how long and how fast they are going to work. they are going to do their job and finish it. they do have someone coming in

from washington who is a board member. their team then will lead the communications process, as well as the investigative process. >> any mechanical issue? >> that's what i'm hearing. the best knowledge that we got, we haven't had a chant to look -- a chance to look or see photographs to begin analyzing. the ntsb is going to capture we have access to, to specifically try and identify it. what i'm telling you is what hearsay has gone forward. >> is this first deadly crash, how was the response tailored, knowing you guys have been there before? >> every incident is different. what we try and do each year is go through a mass casualty exercise, as an organization. we do that every two years. and we set up different

scenarios that we work on those processes from the standpoint of everything that we should have done after the incident took place, reno, the entire community, came together and did an job in the most professional way possible. if you look at the timing numbers it was incredible. 62 minutes from the time the incident took place, it was secured. that's remarkable when you look at the level of the mass casualties. >> the body of the pilot removed from the scene? >> i don't have that information yet. >> we noticed 45 minutes after this, a lot of planes were headed south. is that coincidental or were planes being told to go some place else? do you know anything about that? >> any planes that were scheduled to come in are always rerouted. they were >> is this the first time a

crash involved spectators? >> yes. >> do you know where the plane hit, which part of the grandstand? >> it was on the grandstands. on the tarmac, where the area where we have box seats. a little east of center. >> going forward do you have any idea whether people will remain seated there or is that something you will look at in the coming years? >> that's way too far in advance to look at. >> are you talking to the pilots that were behind or ahead are they adding any insight? >> we haven't gotten feedback from them as yet. we are having a meeting tomorrow to discuss a number of these types of issues. >> can you talk about what kind of guy jimmy was and what he meant to the air racing community? >> was a close personal friend. well liked. jimmy was jimmy. great guy, great family man. very active in aviation. a member of the board of

aircraft association. did a lot of stunt flying for movies. >> have you ever been an airline pilot or military pilot? >> i'm not sure of his military background. >> he had flown in the race before, do you know how many years? >> since '75 was his first race. >> can you describe the plane? >> it is a p-51 base, flown here a number of times in the past. they've prepared the plane to bring it back in year. >> do you have an estimate of how many spectators were here today? >> i apologize, i haven't gotten that number. it was a very good friday. >> how many can it hold? how many typically are here? >> in the grandstands we can hold 10,000 in our permanent ground stands. another 10,000 in the temporary grandstands.

three to four hunt in the box seat area. -- three to four hundred in the book seat area and counts for two miles along the -- we have the capability of holding 60 to 75,000 people here. >> people who knew they had family here anyone -- [ inaudible ] >> we've gotten some calls from people around the world. this is an international event. we want to provide the best possible contact information so we can give them information about people that they are looking for. emergency operations center is establishing a phone number. i'm hoping that somebody whispers it in my ear shortly and we'll ask you to please pass that number out in all your reports so they have a central point now they can call in manned by professionals that are equipped to gather the

information and disseminate the information and work through the emergency process. >> was the pilot's family here today? did they witness the crash? >> yes. >> how many members of the family? >> i'm not sure how many were here. jimmy has a good sized family. >> this is a dangerous sport. these planes fly at high speed. can you talk about the acceptance of the risk the pilots take when they fly every year? >> every race pilot understands the risks. they are perhaps the best pilots in the entire world. most of them are very skilled and very experienced at doing this. aviation, flying a plane there are certain risks just in taking off and landing. when you had the other dimension race being, it is a fast sport. it is not unlike indianapolis or nascar. >> i'm trying to you understand how so many got injured having not seen the

crash myself. did the plane continue to move along after it hit? >> i don't know and i haven't heard that. you can just imagine something as it impacts it is going to scatter. this is an open seating area that has convention type grid, boxes hold up to 15 people in each box. it is fairly dense. >> have you heard from anyone that he tried to avoid hitting spectators at the end? >> i've heard that. but i haven't seen anything to confirm that. if it was in jimmy's power he would have done everything he could. >> what was his safety record? >> here we go. we'll take it firsthand. >> the number for the families to call is. >> 211. >> locally. how about out of state. okay 211 is the local number to call. that will go right into the emergency center.

>> what was his safety record? are you aware of his record as a pilot and his health? >> tip top health. his medical records all in order. i don't recall any incident involving jimmy. >> we heard speculation this could be the last air race -- changes to the insurance policy, any comment? >> i don't, it is too soon, speculation at this point. >> memorial tomorrow is not public? >> i think on behalf of the family that would be best. i'm not sure if timing would change or not. >> is the air race something the board will -- is ending the air race the board would

consider in light of today? >> we have an incredible board that looks at all options. it is not just us. there's a rather large race community and we will talk to the race classes and the pilots and evaluate what we do tomorrow. >> how much money -- >> greta: you have been listening to the press conference at the national air race. he had the unfortunate news to tell us it was his close personal friend who was the pilot who died in the race. of course spectators. they don't know the cause of the accident so far. it could be mechanical, people heard things. things seen from different perspectives, it is different on the ground. the ntsb has been called in. frankly, that's one of our best government agencies. they will get us the answers. terrible tragedy in nevada tonight. john stossel joins us. he has a new documentary called, stupid in america. it is hard to do that

transition. >> it is very hard. >> did a show like this five years ago. how the kids were not getting anything good from the schools. five years later, school stuff is happening. i was in a 4th grade class i would say to kids school is boring. and they would say, no it is not. >> greta: what is the difference, why? >> a market has developed. tiny market not enough yet but some schools to attract parents are trying new things. and the ones that fail the charters that aren't good go out of business. some are good. like everything else in america where there is a market it gets better. these schools are cool. >> greta: watching your special i'm going to feel good, there's a chance and things are turning around? >> right. it is good at the top. misery with the teachers wrong in the middle and excitement

at the end. >> greta: i don't want to go to the dreary. what did happen? why did we go south? >> because government monopolys produce nothing that ever improves. that -- that's why the soviet union fail and that's what we did to our -- kids for years. hurricane katrina blew up the school system they had to invite new players. >> greta: i want all the on the record viewers to watch this is good news. >> in your time slot, but tomorrow night. >> greta: that's the good news. tomorrow night. >> saturday night 10:00. >> greta: i heard that it was inspired. i boy we sure need good news in school. by the way you stole my producer. did he help? >> he did he went to new orleans and recorded how they built a new school system. >> greta: i'm particularly happy that we are doing this. actually that you are doing

this. i'm just going to watch. you do all the heavily lifting. good news about our schools. i love the title, "stupid in america." is that your idea? >> i was 20/20's idea from the last show. but i left there. now i'm happy at fox. >> greta: thank you john. stay with fox news channel. we'll have continuing news conference on that crash in nevada. this is a fox news alert. there has been a horrific crash in nevada. and at the nationa championship air races. there are conflicting reports tonight about the number of dead, more than 50 people are ju