there is fine print in washington. good morning out of new york. i'm bill hemmer. martha: i'm martha maccallum. the associated press says the president's plan is weighed down in $130 million in new government fees that will hit pretty much every american. the fees will affect air travelers, federal workers, military retirees, welfare beneficiaries and people take out newport gauges. bill: the white house says these are not taxes, they are savings. >> reporter: all they want is four money, a tax, a fee, doesn't matter. they want your money. the millionaires tax, the buffet rule. that captured all the attention

yesterday. now we are getting the details on the plan and we see these fees. almost everybody will see their fees they pay for various services go up. the list includes airline passengers, federal workers, military retirees, corporate jet owners, industrial fees. they are all going up. you have already seen this at state level. now it's come together federal level. they want your money. bill: if you put that out over 10 years, would that make a difference in cutting into our huge deficit? >> reporter: no, it's minuscule. i can't give you a number because the president has not issued a number on how much of thinks the buffet rule will bring in. but it would be minuscule compared to the ongoing deficit. if you want to cut the deficit you have got to get control of

entitlement program, medicare, medicaid, social security. instead they he nitpicking taxes on millionaires. it won't make that much of a difference in the deficit overall. bill: buffet says people making more than a million a year should not pay a smaller share of their income than families pays. >> reporter: many wealthy people get their income from capital gains. they make investment and make a prove it on an investment. it's taxed at a 15% rate if that prove it is made in greater than one year. that's how many people make their money. thatting the low tax rate. buffet's assistant is taxed on her income and that's taxed at a

higher rate. that's where this buffet thing comes in. many wealthy people supposedly pay scene overall lower rate than people with just income. but if you look at the tables, it's not true. it doesn't work out. bill: i'm waiting for warren buffet to come back on the fox business network to come in and explain that. we'll see you at 9:20. martha: the president's plan to cut more than $3 trillion from the deficit does not leave entitlements untouched. $580 billion from the proposed cuts will come in mandatory spending from medicare and medicaid. and a lot of people feel they need structural reform to fix them. another trillion comes in presumed savings from the winding down of the wars in iraq and afghanistan. as brit hume that was money that wasn't planned to be spent

anyway. then there is $430 billion in interest savings that is yet to be fully defined and $1.5 trillion in tax increases. more than half of that comes from letting the bush era tax cuts expire. bill: not just rough cans, but democrats, too, voicing their displeasure sure. >> i don't believe class warfare is leadership. we can get into this tax the rich, tax the rich. but that is not the basis for america. it's not going to get tour economy going again and it won't get the people back to work. i think the best you can do is educate your own employees. at a time when it's spending that's out of control, giving the federal government more money would be like giving a

cocaine addict more cocaine. we have got to get spending under control. bill: speaker boehner also saying the two sides can find common ground specifically. senator john thune on all of this a few minutes away. martha: steve forbes is one of those who will be paying more we presume under the president's plan. but he's offering his own solution. he has been a long proponents of the flat tax. but you hear so many people talking about a tax refor -- a tax reform overhaul. in the meantime, texas governor rick perry is doing a little bit of fundraising and trying to make the case he's the best choice for a gop nomination.

look at these latest numbers. perry has a 7-point lead over mitt romney. they more than double his next closest competitor, ron paul. perry has a news conference today, what is that all about? >> reporter: he's taking questions from the new york media. but in this particular case he's also dealing with questions about his electability by casting himself as a foreign policy adversary to president obama. in his news conference he will cite size the obama administration for a policy of appeasement suggesting that it is the u.s. policy under the obama administration to be more favorable towards the palestinians than the israelis. in some cases he put too much pressure on the israelis, president obama has, and that led to the palestinian

authority's move to go before the united nations to seek statehood. he will go harshly at the president today. but it's also an opportunity for mr. perry to fake questions from the new york press. we have a suggested list of snarky ones from mitt romney. the new york press is notorious for lobbing grenades at political events. martha: what about the rest of the field? what are they up to today? >> reporter: romney put out a statement talking about the palestinian authority's request for statehood before the united nations. he says if in any way the u.n. does give the palestinian authority any recognition, that obama should cut off fund for the palestinian authority. that trying to bracket what

mr. perry is doing with his news conference. but the front runner is also under fire for michele bachmann who went after him yesterday on immigration. we'll have more on that as the morning unfold. bill: surprise party in new york. it was crashed. rick perry's campaign event. the hopeful meeting with hispanic leaders when congressman charles rankle who represents that district for 0 years turned up for a surprise visit. >> i never met governor perry. >> reporter: what do you think so far? >> i think republicans have a major problem with their candidates. >> reporter: including governor perry. >> you bet your life. >> reporter: he told reporters he had no idea he was walking into a republican event. martha: he was just strolling around the neighborhood.

presidential candidate rick santorum joins live. what he has to say about all of this. he has some new things he wants to talk about in that regard. bill: he's going to be with us thursday night. how could you forget. fox news teams up with google thursday night, 9:00 in prime time. you can submit candidates at our web site. foxnews.com. click on the republican presidential debate link and you will find an area where you can submit your question. martha: we have brand-new housing numbers that have just come in. home construction dropped 5% in august. august was a tough month for the u.s. economy across the board. a reminder the housing market is in a lot of trouble. builder built fewer homes and hurricane irene slowed down construction in the northeast.

and people have to rebuild some of their base thes and do remember -- their basements and. each home built creates an average of three jobs a year and generates $90,000 in taxes. since the recession ended housing starts only contributed 4% to the economy when in previous years it contributed 15%. a huge gap in economic growth. bill: issue number one still jobs and the economy. those are some of the stories we are watching so far. still to come in america's newsroom. the white house saying the approval a half billion loan to a now bankrupt solar company was not political. martha: how about this, he endorsed president obama i 2008. but a news tape columnist from

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martha: this just crossed the wires. the georgia clemency board decided to deny clemency to troy davis. he was convicted of killing an

officer. there was a lot of support claiming he was wrongly convicted. but the clemency board looked at it again and he's set to be executed tomorrow for the killing of a georgia police officer. bill: some senate republicans are saying something is not adding up in the president's debt plan. the president is saying his plan would reduce the budget $3 trillion. republicans claim even if you get it passed it's only half that. is this going anywhere? >> i don't think so. the democrats on capitol hill have rejected in the past the centerpiece of the president's plan which is a $1.5 trillion tax increase. the president himself said we shouldn't be raising taxes in the middle of an economic downturn. now he's trying to appease his far left base.

i would argue probably won't get traction with a lot of democrats because of the heavy reliance on tax increases to do this. bill: you are saying democrats in the senate won't even pass it. why propose it? >> i think largely because he's in election season and he wants to draw some bright lines. the fundamental difference is this president beliefs the problem we have in this country is not that we spend too much, it's that we don't have enough revenue. a tax increase in the middle of a recession is what he's advocating to get the deficit under control and the economy back on track. you don't raise taxes in the middle of a recession. this is not a revenue problem. this is a spending problem. we have to get washington's out of control * spending under control. bill: this is chuck dodd on nbc. >> the last thing you want to do

is raise taxes in middle of a recession because that would suck up, take more demand out of the economy and put businesses in a further hole. bill: that was two years ago. is that what came to mind when you were making that comment? if so, what changed? >> that's exactly the point. the president acknowledged how difficult it is when you are trying come out of a recession to put higher taxes on people who create jobs in this country. and i think there are democrats up there on capitol hill who i think will reject the notion that the way to get out of this is to raise taxes. the president is intent on that simply because i think he realized he's running for reelection. he has a lot of people who believe in more government spending. by raising taxes on people, $250,000 in income is the option prescription of what we need to do to get the country back on

track. bill: you say he has a problem with the democratic base. why would that be? why would he lack support there? >> he has a democrat base that believes we ought to grow government. we believe fundamentally is the way to get out of this is to cut government and grow the economy. we want the jobs to be created in the private economy to be permanent good-paying jobs as opposed to creating goverent jobs and more projects like solyndra which is what these tax increases would be used to fund. we would be spending more in washington, d.c., not less. we need to spends less in washington and get the economy going again. bill: why has the left turned against him if that is the case, do you think? >> the left i think believes that he has compromised too much with republicans with the tax rate extension last year on some other issues, so he's trying to

go hard to win them back. i think the left believes in this country we don't have enough revenues. we need to raise taxes on rich people. the class warfare argument they like to rely on in an election year. i think the president believes it's in his best interest to do that. it may be good politics for him with his political base but it's the wrong track to get this country back on track economically. martha: get ready for a huge showdown at the u.n. this week. the president and rick perry both in new york. they are facing off over the issue of israel and why this may be a pivotal week for hillary clinton's future. bill: look above. a huge satellite plunging towards planet earth. could you be in the line of fire?

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the hollywood sign. martha: looming over this week's united nations general assembly. papalestinians wants the u.n. to recognize them as the state of palestine for all of the proceedings in the united nations. this has is trail outraged and put our president in a difficult position. the u.s. is expected to veto that if it does indeed make it to the security council. hillary clinton is work on the situation at the u.n. and trying to convince the palestinians to negotiate directly with israel. here is more from secretary of state hillary clinton. >> we continue to believe that our pressing the point that the only way to a solution which is what we support and want to see happen is through negotiations. no matter what does or doesn't

happen this week, it will not produce the kind of outcome that everyone is hoping for. martha: dan gillerman is a former ambassador to the u.n. we laid out what's happening. what is your reaction to this? >> i think the secretary is right. the only way to have the palestinian state -- i say the for six years, i had the privilege of being israel's ambassador to the u.n. if i were there today i would be overjoyed to raise my arm in favor of a palestinian state. but i would first have to know what kind of state it is, what its borders are, what the conditions are. is it demilitarized. no one knows. if we get the state today, what do we get? do we get amowd abbas or hamas?

do we get the palestinian authority? or do we get hamas which is a terror organization holding people hostage in gaza. nobody knows what a palestinian state looks like and you don't create states by speeches. martha: governor perry says he believes the president created the situation that allowed the palestinians to feel there is a door open for them to make this move that bypasses negotiations with israel. >> i think the president has made some serious mistakes the last two years as far as the peace process. martha: like what? >> rightly or wrongly he and the united states are today perceived as weak. and in a very ugly tough neighborhood we live in even a

whiff from the smell of weakness is dangeus. the palestinians wouldn't do it if they believed is a strong america. the turks wouldn't behave the way they done other countries in the frej they thought there was a strong america other bond between israel and america was strong. it allowed new enemies and old enemies to exploit. the other mistake the president made is making demands and statement like a return to '67 borders and a total freeze of settlements by israel. as abbas himself has said, ran away with the heard. how can i be less palestinian than the president of the united states? he has created the situation. they can do whatever they want. they don't come to the united states and that is a dangerous

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bill: we have breaking news. in kabul the embassy said to be giving a duck and cover long warning. warning of a possible attack. diplomats say the alert is not a drill. but no explosions or gunfire surrounding the embassy. last week the embassy came under rocket attack. we'll watch that for you. also getting this. tomorrow at 10:00 a.m. eastern time the president goes to the united nations and in his speech in prepared remarks he will announce that the u.s. ambassador is heading back to tripoli, libya, where the united nations will reopen its embassy this week. a preview coming out just moments ago.

martha: my next guest wrote a couple that caught a lot of attention in the president's hometown paper. it called on president obama to consider dropping out of the 2012 race. suggesting a democratic candidate should challenge the president for the nomination. the "chicago tribune" endorsed president obama in 2008. now the columnist is singing a different tune. the ideal candidate would be a figure of stature and ability who can't be blamed for the economy. that person should not be a member of congress since it has an even lower approval rating than the president. we'll see who he might be pointing to who should consider a run. here is the gentleman who wrote that piece. steve, welcome. good to have you here today. you endorsed president obama for the 2008 race, correct?

>> yes, i did. martha: what prompted this huge turn of opinion on him that you would write this yesterday? >> well, i think it's more in the nature of friendly constructive advice than it is fierce opposition. i think the economy is in terrible shape, everybody knows that. every indicator that's suppose to be going up is going down. every indicator that's supposed to be going down is going up. i think the question is whether he has a chance of winning next year. i think it's unlikely after four years of a bad economy under obama, and top of the bad economy under bush, i don't think people will see you we ought to re-elect this guy. martha: my understanding is the "chicago tribune" has never endorsed a democrat. >> since 1872, i believe.

martha: now you are calling for dissention in the ranks and point the finger right to hillary clinton and say she has had a good distance from the economy, she has done some work outside of the administration. do you seriously think she would take this on and before you answer that. let's listen to what her husband said about it over the weekend. >> first, i'm proud of her, and i think the american people are right. she has done a really fine job. but she would be the first to tell you that, you know, the further you get out of the line of fire the more popular you are likely to be. i don't think you can take that seriously. she is the secretary of state, she is not president. he is. martha: what is your read on what the former president obama had to say about the idea of hillary running? >> i don't think she'll run on her own. if president obama were to go to

her and stay for the good of the country i need to take responsibility for the state of the economy and i think you are the on person with the party could put up who could win, i think she would have to say yes. i don't think she would say mr. president, i'm not going to do that. she is obviously an ambitious person. and i think she is the on logical person to replace boik at the top of the -- to replace barack obama at the top of the ticket. martha: do you think there is a chance this would play out, what you wrote in your column. >> i do. i can remember when president johnson was running for reelection and watching the speech he gave one sunday evening. it was about the war in vietnam. but at the end of it he said i'm not going to run for he election. it came as a shock then. i think it would come as a big surprise now. but realistically the president

has to say, do i have a chance to win with this economy? i think the answer is no. is there a chance my party could win if we put hillary clinton at the top of the ticket instead? i think that would be a big enough change. and she is a popular enough figure and strong enough figure and credible enough one that the democrats would have a fighting chance. martha: fascinating assessment. i think a lot of people would look at the scenario as a long shot. but one of the things we know about poll is is it's extremely unpredictable and there is a long way to go before this race is underway. good to hear your insight on that. bill: what are we doing right now? take a look at markets. we had a good finish at the end monday. the bulls were back, right? they were plowing through the streets. martha: for a few hours, anyway.

bill: there was some encouragement out of europe that they were going to fix the problems in greece. but i don't think anyone knows how deep the hole is. martha: amazing how the sentiment can bent this way and that in a few hours. there is some new pressure on the president today over his plan to get america back to work. you may be surprised, though, by who is coming out against the plan. bill: also new details in that deadly air crash. the family of a congressman was at the show over the weekend before that happened. this is not only the master of all droids,

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a scary scene on the ground. that event was held at the reno airport. it's organized by a private group. the airport authority says it will wait for the national transportation safety board's findings before making any decision. >> safety is what we are all about. any future decisions about the races will be based upon safety. martha: that investigation will likely take months. we are hearing from nevada senator and majority leader harry reid that reveals members of his family were there. >> my four grandchildren and my son attended the show thursday. my oldest grandson mitchell was

at the event with his scout troop friday, a few hours before this terrible accident. i hope this terrible event, the first of its kind in this nation will not deter people from attending air shows in the future. martha: a public memorial service is planned for sunday evening. bill: it isn't just republicans critical of the jobs bills. congressional democrats expressing their own concerns. so what about all this now. they are the cohosts of the fi fife. -- cohosts of "the five." how you two doing? >> just fine. bill: you spend an awful lot of time together. >> i know. bill: i hope you are okay with that andrea. >> i'm okay and my therapist says eventually it will become a

lot easier. >> the project is work on my side so it's fun. bill: dr. beckel has done well for you. >> yes. bill: john thune told us democrats don't even support this proposal, that it's going nowhere. >> it's dead in the water. thune is right. there is either a portion of democrats that think this plan should be a lot bigger or a portion of democrats that are in very tight races in bellwether states such as senator clare mccass kel who is not going to want to vote or tax krees in a recession. steny hoyer said, whoa, we can't raise taxes. it's the same thing president obama said, we can't raise taxes in a recession. bill: politics, bob?

>> divide the classes? it's 3% versus 97%. that ain't exactly class warfare. this was a political speech yesterday. this was about firming up his base which is beginning to drift. also there was some talk about maybe somebody getting into a primary against him. that ends that by doing that. bill: andrea is right, then? it's all about politics. >> the on thing that will pass is whatever the super committee comes up with. the idea that you are going to have deficit reduction without taxing the top 3% of this country is absolutely insane. bill: thursday night we have a debate. >> i heard that. it's on fox. bill: we teamed up with a small little web site called google.

we have been asking viewers across the country for a month, bya to ask their own questions. this was filed by christopher paxton out of houston, texas. listen carefully to what he wants to know. >> entitlement spending set to grow what would you do to rein in spending on social security, met i care and medicaid? bill: that is the $14 trillion question. >> the president's plan does nothing to address entitlements long term. democrats don't have the guts to even touch entitlements. is there not one real plan that reforms them in the long term on the democratic side. paul ryan who had the courage to put one on the table, he actually makes it sustainable in the future. what did democrats do to him in

they demagogued him. but democrats will never affirm the real cost containment issue which is entitlements. >> paul ryan comes up with his plan and these republican presidential candidates run like scalded dogs. not one of them has come up with a substantive answer on how you deal with entitlements. bill: if they get that answer thursday how are they going to answer it? >> they are writing the answers right now. you write out the answers that sound substantive but mean nothing. do you think these guys will say something serious about entitlements. >> rick perry had the courage to come out and call social security a ponzi scheme and you demonized him. bill: hopefully this question does come up thursday night. i hope all the panelists get a chance to answer it, too.

>> i'll wager you won't get one substantive answer out of any of them. >> i'll raise. even though i'm spending my money on this new shrink to deal with bob. bill: 5:00. we'll see you both then. fox news teams up with google. submit your questions for all the candidates at foxnews.com. scroll down to the spotlight section. click on that debate area. there is a link to submit your question. also shoot me an email. hemmer at foxnews.com. 5:00. bob is back. martha: i love it. bill: i think they have a blast. martha: they do. bob can take it. all right. let many get to this now. there is serious concerns about the department of energy's relationship with this failed

solar panel maker solyndra. what law makers are doing to get to the bottom of this they want to have hearings. bill: a woman and her daughters brutally murdered in a home invasion that shocked the nation. today her husband and sole family survivor is expected on the witness stand to relive the nightmare of that day. >> we have a lady in our bank right now who says that her husband and children are being held at their house. if the police are told they are kill the children and the husband.

bill: we may only be two days

away from a massive satellite hitting planet earth. it's expected to hit earth as early as thursday. nasa scientists say where and who it might hit is a matter of chance. martha: that's helpful. >> degree will be strewn over a 500-mile path. in the history of the space program to our knowledge no one has been hurt by falling debris and no project has been damaged. the chances of getting hit is 1 in 200. it's relatively small so there is no reason to panic or worry. bill: the largest piece of debris could be the size of a bridge rayer to. that would leave a mark. martha: it's day two of what is expected to be emotional testimony.

dr. william pettitte expected to take the witness stand testifying in the trial of a man accused of murdering his wife and daughters. it was a home invasion and this man lost his family. his daughters and beautiful wife. laura has dr. petit arrived and what do we expect today? >> reporter: we are waiting for dr. william petit to arrive. if he has entered the courtroom he has done so through a van or car into the garage because we haven't seen him come in. he is expected to take the assistant at 10:00 a.m. eastern which here we are now. we are waiting for a trial to get underway in the second day. as far as what we can expect. dr. william petit also testified at the other trial of the other defendant in this case, steven hays. he has been stoic. he has had a blank look on his

face. he's clearly grief stricken beyond comprehension and is expected to deliver what can only be described as heart-breaking testimony to tell jurors about the moments that led up to the murders of his wife and daughters. martha: he managed to get himself out of the house. he was in terrible shape and finally called police. his wife and two daughters were assaulted and murdered inside that house. so describe for us the tactic so far that we have seen between the prosecution and the defense and how this may play out in this trial. >> it's expect to be a very different trial because the defense team is said to be much more aggressive. the biggest difference we have seen is tone and style. yesterday prosecutors chose not to give a big opening statement laying out the facts of the case. instead saying they expect the evidence to tell the tale. the defense team has taken a clear shot right at hayes as the

guy who escalated this to a violent level. we'll have more throughout the day. bill: republicans call it class warfare, the president calls it your fair share. others say the campaign for 2012 is well under way. martha: rick perry has evidence of that. moments away from a news conference with the texas governor. we'll see how that goes when we come back.  are you receiving a payout from a legal settlement

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martha: we've got a fox news alert right now. breaking news on a possible threat against americans at the u.s. embassy in kabul. dominic dinatale is live on the phone from kabul. dominic, what is happening there? >> reporter: turns out there was another attack on u.s. embassy a week after the last one it appears that the leader of the opposition here has been killed in an

attack apparently by the taliban. he was meeting two members of the taliban who the afghans thought were capable of reconciliation. you have to remember that rabani was the former president of afghanistan until 1996 when he was actually kicked out by the taliban. we do know the taliban together with the hat kani network, on attacks on international forces and community here and specific afghan targets. over the past three days we're receiving intelligence about a number of suicide bombers and large numbers as well as six car bombs and possibly as many as 10 suicide bombers loose in the city. the taliban are ramping up their campaign against western-friendly afghanistan targets. at the moment news is still coming in to us but at the moment it appears that he is most definitely dead and is certainly a blow to the

peace process here. >> certainly is. the man who was president of afghanistan until 1996 killed according to these reports by the taliban. we'll get you more information on that as we go forward. thank you very much. dominic deknit tally on the ground in kabul. seconds away from a news conference with rick perry. >> governor of texas, trying to sell his brash brand of conservatism in new york city. that is how we start the brand new hour of "america's newsroom." we're glad to have you all with us. i'm martha maccallum. bill: and i'm bill hemmer. martha: brash brand of conservatism. bill: he is expected to slam the president on the foreign policy regarding israel. that happens as the president is at the u.n. only a few blocks away in the city. martha: charlie hurt, columnist from "the new york times" joins us this morning. good morning, charlie. >> good morning, martha. martha: what do you think about this? rick perry will face the new york press.

what do you think we'll hear from him this morning? >> this will be gloves off full assault on president obama, his position on israel. i think he is going to try to capitalize on the extraordinary defeat we saw delivered to democrats in the new york's special election last week where you know, we've seen this incredible spin out of democrats that the race for anthony weiner's former seat was somehow, didn't have anything to do with israel and didn't have anything to do with obama. it had everything to do with israel and everything to do with president obama's position there. and this alarming distrust among one of the most important sectors of democratic voters who just have kind of lost patience or completely lost trust with president obama regarding his, his handling of the situation in the middle east. martha: you raise such an interesting point here, charlie, about the jewish vote.

and that raises questions about other areas in the country that have a large population of jewish vote, florida, for example. so how the president handles this week with regard to israel is extremely important for his re-election, is it not? >> i think absolutely. i would take it a one half step further and say the fact that we're in this position this week listening to the palestinians demand full membership in the u.n., just the fact it has come to this is a pretty damning rebuke of president obama's handling of the situation. this is terrible for him and if they succeed, which, you know, i sort of skeptical that they will but if they succeed, i mean, it would probably be, after a long list of giant blows to his re-election effort, i think this might be perhaps the biggest t would just be stunning. >> very pivotal moment and a big moment for rick perry this morning. we're going to take you

there live to that news conference because obviously perry and romney need to defined themselves very strongly in this thursday night debate. we'll get a bit of a preview for that coming up in a few minutes. charlie, thanks very much. always good to talk to you. >> thanks, mart that. >> while the president is at the u.n. in new york and rick perry is in new york, michele bachmann is on the trail in iowa talking about how she would stimulate hiring if she was in the white house. she met with business leaders in the state, showing importance of lowering government spending and investing in small businesses and getting rid of taxes she says will only stifle more investment. >> it is important we get rid of the death tax because the death tax will actually take money out of this company and instead, send it to washington, d.c., so that every generation has to recapitalize the family business. bill: bachmann also talked about how she would like to replace employer-provided health care with a system of tax breaks. iowa. martha: ed rollins, her

former campaign advisor says she has to win in iowa. michele bachmann has to do very well thursday night in the debate as well to stay in as a force in this race. now you've got this. the first republican governor who is endorsing rick perry saying he thinks that the texas governor is the right man for the white house. that came from louisiana governor bobby jindal. he spoke to "fox and friends" this morning. take a look what he said. >> he is exact opposite of president obama. president obama under his watch america has lost over two million jobs. as governor rick perry of texas has created over a million jobs. he is the exact opposite. president obama thinks that $14 trillion of debt is no big deal. rick perry understands debt is going to swallow our country, our economy, our children's future. >> that was bobby jindal this morning. he is run for re-election this fall. he has been mentioned in the past as a possible vp pick. he said he has got the best job in the world this morning. we heard that before. from candidates on the campaign trail.

we'll talk to republican presidential candidate rick santorum. he is coming up later in the show. what does he think of president obama's jobs plan which is getting a whole lot of attention and foreign policy. rick santorum weighs in on that in 20 minutes. bill. bill: as we get ready for the big debate in orlando on thursday the struggling jobs market is one of the top issues for all voters in florida. unemployment is at 10.7% in the sunshine state. well above the national average, around 9.1%. shannon bream is live in orlando getting ready for the big night on thursday night. how are foreclosures adding to the economic worries in florida? can not help. shannon, good morning. >> reporter: it absolutely doesn't, bill. you mentioned high unemployment rate well above the national average. same is true of foreclosures is. florida is one of the top states when it comes to the number of homes actually going into foreclosure. we talked to voters underwater in their homes, when they owe more than it's worth. they are very concerned. here is one of those floridians.

>> number one is obviously the economy. i want to hear how they're going to spur growth back into the businesses, the private sector. how they can get these folks that have great resume's, great experience, back into a job. >> reporter: it is all about having a job and keeping your home. the experts here say floridians are very savvy. don't show up here with vague generalitities. you need to come here with detailed plans because floridians are looking for it. bill: you have jobs down there, you have real estate, the issue of social security, how is that playing out in florida? >> reporter: well of course everybody is talking about the ponzi scheme remark made by governor rick perry in an earlier debate. floridians agree, they know you have the problems with the social security. you can have the conversation but come with solutions. a gop political analyst said, listen it's a conversation floridians are ready to have. at least one very popular

person has done it here successfully. take a listen. >> the best example of that is florida u.s. senator marco rubio who campaigned and won for u.s. senate and he spoke specifically about the way that he wanted to reform the social security program. so, i think because of senator rubio's example, it proves that you can win an election in florida even why you touch the so-called third rail of american politics in talking about social security. >> reporter: just for the record a lot of folks think florida is mostly older voters. really there has been a shift here. right now 50% of those are 50 or older. about 48% fall into the younger registered voter category. so there is an even split here, young and old alike worried about social security, bill. bill: three big issues in that state. thank you, shannon. see you thursday night. martha. martha: mark your calendar for thursday night, folks. put it on your list. the fox news debate, teaming up with google in this gop debate in orlando on thursday night.

you can submit your own questions. if you ever sit at home and say why didn't they ask this? now is your opportunity to do just that. go to foxnews.com. scroll down to the spotlight question. click on the gop presidential debate. there is a link. send the question on in. in fact thousands and thousands of them. bill: thursday night will be big. we'll see how it goes down. martha: i'm looking forward to it. getting very interesting. bill: it received more than a half a billion dollars in government loans and went belly-up, bankrupt. now things are about to get even worse in the solyndra scandal. what the chairman of the house judiciary committee is calling for. that's significant. martha: more than 30,000 homes are underwater. a death blow from mother nature. we'll talk about that coming up. bill: the president wants tax increases on some of the wealthiest americans. mr. flat tax, steve forbes is here live with his take. first is the house speaker john boehner. >> i don't believe class

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bill: flooding and mudslides claiming at least 57 lives. as many as 30,000 homes underwater. a million people effected in southwestern china and soldiers rescuing people trapped either in their home or outside of buildings like this rescue right here. there is not much relief in sight either because the rain is expected to continue for at least the next few days. martha: all right. back here at home republican lawmakers blasting president obama's plan to raise taxes on wealthy americans, claiming that he is fueling a class war. mr. obama says that is just not the case. >> we're already hearing the usual defenders of these kind of loopholes saying this is just class warfare. i reject the idea that asking a hedge fund manager to pay the same tax rate as a plumber or a teacher is class warfare.

i think it is just the right thing to do. this is not class warfare. it's math. [laughter] martha: all right. so is it math and does that math work? who better to ask this to, steve forbes, the chairman and editor-in-chief of "forbes" media. good morning, steve. good to see you. >> martha, good to be with you, thank you. martha: my first question is we played a little while ago president obama back in 2008, you said you just can't raise taxes on people in this kind of economy. so what has changed do you think that makes him think this time around it actually will help the economy? >> well, after the blowout in spending he has to come up with some more revenue. the only way he knows how to do it is not by growing the economy the way ronald reagan did but by increasing taxes on people. and in terms of the math, he's right it is the math. people who the top two, take people making over a million dollars a year, martha, they make up .2 of 1% of the taxpayers but they pay 20%

of the tax. top 1% of income earners pay 38% of the tax. and the tax rate, the effective tax rate of the so-called rich is three times that of the middle class. this idea about the rich not pay something just preposterous, the math proves it. this is demagoguery, politics, political theater. that is why he couldn't even get this proposal through a democrat congress a year ago when his party controlled both house. >> steve, it really strikes me, i feel everywhere i go and all the conversations that we listen to on all of this, people raise their hands and say, why don't we just completely overhaul the tax system? what we need is true tax reform in this country so, yes, corporations will pay a fair tax rate because we all know that they get out of paying lots of taxes right now. there are tons of loopholes wealthy people can carve out. why not have a huge tax reform movement in this country and you tried to start that movement when you ran for president. you talked about a flat tax. why are none of these

candidates, and why isn't the president, attaching himself to that kind of bold initiative that so many people seem to want and talk about? >> well, there's hope, martha. in 2012 i think it is going to be a major issue in the political campaign. you have a real hint of it, about a year ago when the president's deficit commission made their report, even democrats signed onto the idea of getting rid of some of these loopholes, lowering tax rates across the board. the president occasionally makes noises about it. he has been in office three years done in real terms exactly zero about it. so yes the flat tax which i advocated is junk. this whole 10 million word tax code monstrosity no one understands, not even the irs. to have a simple flat tax on personal side you have generous exemptions for adults and kids. first $46,000 of income for a family of four exempt from tax. federal income tax, only 17% above that. no tax on savings. on corporate side do the same thing. if you make it, you pay it.

very simple. do it on a single sheet of paper. i think it will come to pass. martha: sounds like a very simple, great idea. there is a lot of groundswell for it. we'll see, we'll see if it comes up in the debate on thursday night and if anybody jumps on that bandwagon in a meaningful way. want to talk about the class warfare issue with regard to corporations for a moment. reading through the plan, corporate jet owners will be taxed. oil companies will be taxed. why is it okay to isolate certain corporations that are doing legal business in this country? they're not doing anything illegal we know of. that would be a whole another issue. why is it okay to point a finger at certain issues to say you're bad, you need to pay more taxes? >> the oil industry especially when prices have gone up is unpopular industry. it is easy for politicians looking for votes in a cheap way to attack them. say take away their privileges. well, instead of just attacking industry industry, how about getting rid of all the junk in the tax code,

lower the rates for everybody, open up, take away these regulatory roadblocks to drilling in the united states. so we get more energy. they don't have the loopholes but we all have lower rates. again you can do this in a couple of sheets of paper and we all come out ahead but he won't do it. martha: you say you think it is going to come up in the 2012 election? >> absolutely. martha: which gop candidate do you hear speaking your language you think may be willing to be bold on this issue? >> well, i'm looking at governor perry of texas. i think he is certainly moving in the radical simplification direction. other candidates like jon huntsman have done the same thing. and so i think the movement started. and the fact that democrats on that presidential commission a year ago signed on at least to the idea of simplification, they didn't go as far as a flat tax but at least they got the idea we have to dejunk this tax code, i think it will be a real groundswell. martha: we will see. steve forbes, thank you so much. >> martha, thank you.

martha: good to talk to you as always. bill: he says he not getting his fair share of time in presidential debates. so in moments. presidential candidate rick santorum is live in "america's newsroom." he has an issue. we'll take up with him in a moment. >> there are new calls today, this is not going away this story, folks, into the investigation between the relationship the department of energy and a failed solar panel company that got half a billion dollars in government loans. this man called for that investigation. he joins us live. >> the taxpayers would be better served by not risking even more of their money. instead using it to reduce our mounting national deficit. let me tell you about a very important phone call i made.

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u.s. promises to veto. if that happens, it will go to the full general assembly which will overwhelmingly support the palestinian authority move. that would not create a countryper se but would cause observer state. the u.s. says this must be dealt with in negotiations but palestinians and their supporters say it is long overdue. >> there should be consequence for irresponsibility. there should be consequence for the palestinians shutting the door on further negotiations and opting for conflict and friction through this unilateral action in the united nations instead of reconciliation and cooperation. >> the palestinian nation is the only nation left without having a statehood. and since 1947 this right is waiting for them, you know, i think it is high time now. >> reporter: the clock is ticking on vote for friday, bill? bill: what reaction are we getting from congress?

i imagine this is going to be talked about quite a bit, eric? >> reporter: yeah. well, there are threats to cut off funding to the palestinian authority. let's look at the numbers. since 1993 the united states has given the pa $4 billion. that works out to $600 million a year. the chair women of the foreign affairs committee, ileana ros-lehtinen. says if the vote happens on friday, the u.s. should pull the plug. >> i think the american people would be shocked if they knew that we're talking about billions of dollars. and that it is in fact what we've given to the palestinians. what have we gotten in these past few years for example? are the palestinians closer to having peace accords with the israel? no. >> reporter: diplomats are scrambling to try to find a compromise but, bill, right now it appears that won't happen and this vote is scheduled, could be scheduled for friday. bill: eric, watch that for us. eric shawn on the streets of new york, with that. martha, what's coming up?

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all right, this fox news alert, the candidates are out in force today, rick perry speaking about israel and other issues in new york city. let's take a look. >> he obviously is the leading voice on this issue that we are speaking about today, and i'm joined today by a very diverse group of jewish leaders from here, in the united states and abroad. they share my concern that the united nations could take action this week to legitimize the palestinian gambit to establish statehood in violation of the spirit of the 1993oslo accords. we are indignant that

certain mideastern leaders have discarded the principle of direct negotiations between the sovereign nation of israel and palestinian leadership. and we're equally indignant of the obama administration and their middle east policy of appeasement that has encouraged such an ominous act of bad faith. simply put, we would not be here today at this very precipice of such a dangerous move if the obama policy in the middle east wasn't naive and arrogant, misguided, and dangerous. it must be said first that israel is our oldest and strongest ally in the middle east. a democratic ally in the middle east, and it has been

for more than six -- 60 years. the obama policy of moral equivalency which gives moral standing to the grievances of israelis and palestinians, including the orchestrators of terrorism, is a very dangerous insult. there is no middle ground between our allies and those who seek their destruction. america should not be ambivalent between the terrorist tactics of hamas and the security tactics of the legitimate and free state of israel. by proposing indirect talks rather than between palestinian leaders and israel -- >> martha: all right, we are listening to rick perry in new york city today on the campaign trail, as this is becoming a hot button campaign issue, the question of israel and the united

states' relationship with israel as the palestinians seek to be called a state by the united nations this week. that's rick perry, downtown in manhattan today, campaigning. bill: from one candidate for the nomination to another, rick santorum, candidate for the republican nomination, former senator out of pennsylvania. good to have you. >> thank you, bill. bill we want to talk about the economy and we will in a moment but what is your position on israel? it's going to be a headline all week given what's happening at the u.n. >> this is a very serious event, and one that we need to respond to not just with a veto, but with direct action against the palestinians. this is bad faith, we should de fund the palestinian authority, tell them there is no more money coming if you walk away from the bargaining table and you go over our head, you embarrass us in front of the united nations, so there should be consequences to the palestinian authority first. secondly, there should be

consequences to the united nations. i for a long time have said we should cut back our contribution to the united nations. this is now a golden opportunity to point out to the american public exactly the thought that -- the fraud that the united nations is quickly becoming, not a source to bring people together but really a source to try to develop a point of view that is antiamerican, antifreedom, and from my perspective, this is a great chance for this administration to say you know, we're going to start to de fund a lot of areas that we now contribute to the united nations, we're going to start withdrawing our contribution and adding legitimacy to an organization that frankly in many respects is illegitimate. bill: let's talk about you right now. >> yes. bill the polls at the end of august on the screen for our viewers, you're trailing way behind, you're at 3 percent in the latest fox news polling, they want to put the candidates on the table and you blame the media often, suggesting the media is choosing the candidate. this is what you said two weeks ago, and i'll ask you about it. roll this:

>> i understand you have the next question. >> my chance -- >> you have the next question, senator. i promise. >> as i told you when i traveled around iowa, you see me in your home town but you probably wouldn't see much of me on television. it's holding true tonight. bill: what about that, senator, are we being unfair to you? >> objectively in that debate, i got one question in the first 50 minutes of the debate. the next lowest was three or four. so that's -- >> bill: but it was pretty even between # and ten minutes for everyone. >> that came later in the debate. but objectively, go back and look at the tape, for the first hour, i got one question and the only reason i got a second one is because i raised my hand. look, the bottom line is the media is covering the favorites and if you look at every debate, they get the disproportionate number of questions and even the questions that the other candidates get, they're about the favorites. so look, i understand that, my feeling is we need to go

out, and it's all driven by national polls. bill, two months ago the national media, including fox news, said this is a 2-person race between governor romney and governor pawlenty and meanwhile governor pawlenty was the same place i was in the national polls, by the way, but that's what the media said, that's where the race is, then a couple of weeks of mich ul bachmann in the race, it's a three-person race, then the ames straw poll happened and governor pawlenty out, now it's a three-person race with bachmann, romney and perry and now it's governor perry and romney. bill: you have a chance to change that on thursday night, because we're going to see all of you again. what we've done, senator, we've asked viewers for a month now to send us their own questions about what they want people like you to answer. all right? a lot of this comes down to the economy, frankly, and the decifit and that $14 trillion we're buried in. listen to this one. we'll give you a preview now. >> my question is, besides

omabacare, what is one specific federal law or regulation that you would want to repeal because you feel it infringes on states' rights? >> bill: now, the question about regulation, we hear this so often, that we're overregulated as a country and this administration is just piling on more and more. give me an example of what you would change to fix that. >> there's a whole wrath of epa regulations that need to be changed, one, the regulation of carbon dioxide as a pollutant is one that just jumps out at you, but there are a whole host of regulations in the epa, then the epa has basically shut down coal mining, pulling permits, they're denying permits. the existing permits, they are pulling now. we are the saudi arabia of coal, bill, and we are importing coal into this country. i was just up in new hampshire, and i was talking to the folks up there who run the power plant -- one of the coal plant necessary that area and they say they're getting their coal from overseas.

it is outrageous that we are an energy-rich country, particularly in the area of coal, and the epa and this administration is driving tphaubs overseas and not producing the kind of energy to make us energy independent. bill: and that hits your home state. >> it hits my home state hard. bill: we'll see whether you get this question thursday night, okay, senator? look forward to it. >> thank you for your time. bill: martha, what's next. martha: there are new calls for a republican lawmakers for the justice department to investigate the massive government loan to a now bankrupt solar company. in three minutes we're going to talk to a committee member who's been pounding the administration on this controversy. that's coming up.

bill: let's get back to kabul now and figure out what's happening with the fox news alert, the former

afghan president and peace talks leader has been killed, this in an attack on the city of kabul. we had reports that the embassy was under attack but so far we've not substantiated that. this is some of the video into the fox news room out of kabul today. so the violence continues there. we'll see whether or not it picks up or whether it will be stopped. martha: there are new calls today for the u.s. justice department to investigate a massive $535 million government loan to accompanyo he to a company that went belly up called solyndra, a solar panel company. the obama administration denies there was any political motivation in giving this loan. republican chris stearns from florida is on the house energy committee, asbeen very outspoken on this controversy and joins me now. welcome, good to have you here today. >> thank you martha. ma march 1 thing you would need to establish to open an investigation is there is reason to believe that there

was a political connection and that solyndra got favorable standing because of it. can you prove that, do you think there's a case for it? >> well, martha, i think there's a case for something else here, that the energy policy act of 2005 said you cannot subordinate taxpayers' loan guarantees to private investments. and that's exactly what the department of energy did, secretary chu, this year, when they subordinated taxpayers, $75 million to two hedge funds. that's wrong. one of the hedge funds, argonaut, the biggest investor is george kaiser, one of the original investors into solyndra so i think the chairman of the judiciary committee, lamar smith, is inquiring did they break the law and asking also about the political consequences from rushing the solyndra deal when 2009, august 20th, we have an e-mail that shows the department of energy said solyndra is going to go belly up on september 2011.

prophetically. so i think there's enough information to question whether the law has been bren and whether this was the political rush to judgment. martha: how is it going? what's the response been from the justice department? do you think you're going to get anywhere with pursuing it? >> well, in this case, the chairman of the judiciary committee is leading the charge, i am not. as you know, this next friday, we'll be having under oath the ceo of solyndra, as well as the cfo, so we're hoping to get some more information and we're hoping they won't take the fifth but be transparent because in the end i think both the administration and the congress would like to know what happened and where all the money went. martha: obviously, this is taxpayer money, $535 million, that was supposed to be going to companies that, you know, were in very good shape, so that they could prosper, then hire more people, and this is a program that president bush's administration looked at but a couple of weeks before he left office, they decided not to go forward with it,

and that's one of the questions that i have, you know, sort of why would you so quickly into a new administration take something that was shelved and put it on the front burner. >> well, i think the administration, including the president, feels strongly that we can turn this economy around with solar power and windmills, and i think his fervent belief almost to a religion that we can green america quickly is probably incorrect, because we cannot do it, and solar cells has not proven to be economically viable, although all of us support alternative energy. we understand -- >> martha: but you know what? in my mind -- excuse me for interrupting. it's not even an issue of green energy, it's an issue of betting on a company that you've been advised is not a good investment, regardless of what it is, and if you're going to do that with taxpayer money, you'd better have a darn good case as to why you felt it was a good investment, right? >> right. and also, with the fbi -- with the fbi raid two days after they filed bankruptcy

brings up questions about whether the books cooked, was there money taken, what happened to all this money. they had a burn rate of $1.5 billion in less than two years. this is phenomenal that they went through that kind of money so quickly, and obviously, i think taxpayers deserve an answer. martha: so do the employees, because we've heard from a number of them, and for them to be so shocked -- usually you have a signal that a company is going under, but it looks like there may have been things hid from them as well. thank you very much, representative stearns, good to talk to you. we're going to stay on top of it and we understand you are as well. >> we'll see where this goes, huh? >> bill: we know where jenna lee is going. she has headlines coming up. jenna: there's nowhere for me to go for the next two hours, bill! i will be right here in the newsroom. "happening now p-pts, big drama unfolding this week -- this week, palestinians pushing for full membership. jane harman is our guest to talk about that. plus confirmation a story we first told you

about yesterday, the body of michelle le has been i.d.ed in california. we'll work through the evidence there. plus, class warfare or a more fair tax code? senator lindsey graham on the president's decifit push. we of course want to hear from you, go to foxnews.com/happening now and click on the america's asking tab and chat with us throughout the show. bill: wouldn't that be distracting? >> never! it's a multi tasking newsroom going on. martha: bill: see new 11 minutes. tourist watch as a -- tourists watched as a killer whale pulled her under. will sea world take the blame in this trainer's death? >> we actually have a trainer in the water with one of our whale, the whale that they're not supposed to be in the water with. >> okay. >> so we don't know what's going on. we were told to call and have people on standby when they get the person out.

martha: evacuations after an explosion and fire at an oil rig, wetonga, oklahoma, 80 miles northwest of oklahoma city, a blast rattling residents last night, the fire still burning at this hour, so homes within a mile of that scene have been sr-bgate dollars as a precaution now. there are no reports of injuries, thankfully, no word on what caused that huge explosion. bill: sea world on trial. that popular orlando destination, fighting charges that workplace practices led to the death of this trainer. phil keating is live in miami with more. we understand labor department attorneys now getting to the hour of the attack. what's been said, phil? >> reporter: absolutely. they're showing the last videotape taken of dawn brancheau, not the underwater sea world video which the judge has yet to rule on, whether that's actually going to be shown, which actually shows the

8-minute attack which, of course, took the life of dawn brancheau. they started out the testimony this morning by showing first a google map of the sea world-orlando location, specifically shamu stadium, then they got a security guard who was there on that day back in 2010 who saw this horrifying, brutal attack by the killer whale, tilikum, and then he on the stand described exactly what he saw and they rolled the videotape taken by a new hampshire tourist family and that shows from basically the third row of the specktating area, it shows dawn brancheau touching the whale, handing him fish, putting the fish in his mouth, even retrieving a fish from his tongue at one moment, and then in the very final moments, you see her lying in one of the shallow areas where you see the -- typically the killer whale will beach itself up there and be fed fish. she's actually lying on that area, smiling big, and of course, doing the job that

she loved, according to family. that's what she always wanted to do. but that's when the videotape was paused, and we're in break right now so when we get back to break, this judge will likely have to decide whether or not to play what will be undoubtedly gruesome, gruesome video of her death in a public forum. bill: wow. there will be some drama there. could this change the way theme parks operate in america? could it be that significant a ruling? >> it really could. here's why. osha is coming down and the -- on the labor department very hard, $1.2 billion industry, sea world, orlando, per year, and it's all about having trainers touching the whales. that's what draws the spectators. bill: phil keating, thank you, watching that trial in miami. martha: let's go to the east side of new york where the president has just arrived. we are going to be talking about libya, basically and

the recognition of this transnational libyan government that has emerged from the strife in that country. so president obama, as he gets ready for a very busy and important week for him. how he is viewed by the jewish vote in this country is one of the major things that's on his plate right now as he deals with this situation where the palestinians would like to have a state recognition at the u.n. more to come on that.

martha: literally, trying to bring home the bacon, on the hunt for 150 market-ready pigs, folks, stole friend a minnesota farm! it's home to more than 4000 hogs, so the other than says he didn't even notice until he started counting and then not exactly the glamour of a jewel heist, but the missing swines are worth about $30,000 the farmer says it had to be a coordinated operation that was pulled off by somebody who knows pigs, bill! they get squirmy and they

squirm right out of your hands and it's not easy to hang on to them. bill: it's obvious this was an inside job, right? they knew where they were, they knew how to get in, they knew how to get them out. martha: got to go out there and count the pigs every day. bill: what would a day be without bacon, anyway? a little here and there. martha: sugar bacon is what they have in nashville, it's even better than bacon, butter and brown sugar roll ed all over it. bill: they eat that? >> martha: very yummy. i recommend it. bill: we're going to have that for lunch. martha: sugar bacon, everybody! we'll see u tomorrow. bill: see you tomorrow. jon: good morning, and a happy tuesday to you! it is tuesday, right? >> jenna: i think so. if i have my days right. we got to be correct, otherwise it's downhill. i don't know jon it goes badly if you don't get that right. jenna: i'm jenna lee, and "happening now", one is the