president obama is facing some of his worst approval rating ahead of the election. welcome to "america live," i'm megyn kelly live outside of the gop debate stage in orlando, florida. you are taking a live look at the stage at the orange county convention center. this is where fox news is partnering with google to bring you this debate. three former governors, four other political gop powerhouses, all trying to win the hearts and finds of millions of potential voters. the candidates have a chance to make a lasting impress in a battleground state where president obama and democrats are now facing some serious potential trouble. in a poll just out from quinnipiac university today, florida voters disapproved 57 to 39% of the job mr. obama is doing. that is the worst scores this

polling company has posed in any state so far. peter brown is the president of the quinn polling list. thank you for being here. 57 to 39 disapprove over approve. when you talk about republicans you've got 92% disapprove although only 20% of democrats do. >> obviously the president has some problems. his approval numbers are down. elections in which there is an incumbent running for re-election are really about two things, one, do voters think that the incumbent is doing a good job, are they happy with him? number two, if they are not happy with him, then there is the question can the other team do the job? that's what the race is about, can the republicans establish a credible challenge to the president. megyn: this is the worst approval number you've seen for the president thus far? >> thus far in the seven states

in which quinnipiac polls, that's correct. megyn: it's not great news for barack obama but it may not be great news for the candidates on the stage tonight. the only two that made marks on your board was romney and perry. megyn: we surveyed florida republicans, the only people who can vote in the republican primary. megyn: it's a 6 point lead that perry has over romney, 6 point lead. megyn: 6 points. megyn: is that significant? is it smaller or bigger than before. >> this is the first time in recent times we've done it. a month ago before perry got in the case quinnipiac surveyed and romney was 13% over. you've got a situation where mr. perry seems to have a lead. he doses specially better than mr. romney among born again

evangelicals, and people in the tea party movement. ment third can identify as whitey van gel cal christians, and the others affiliate themselves with the tea party. megyn: then you polled just before those two perry and romney. you said if these were the only two who would you vote for. perry prevailed 48 to 46 and it seems to come mostly from men, the men like per me more than romney. megyn: right, mr. perry has a fairly large gender gap within the republican party. it is historically not unusual that republicans have large gender gaps. traditionally peps do better among men than among women. megyn: these are two republicans. >> these are two republicans running in a republican party and there is a gender gap larger than you have seen, that's because mr. perry's tile and

mr. romney's style is somewhat different. megyn: and maybe romney appeals more to women. >> he is doing better with women than among men. perry the other way around. megyn: in florida. >> in florida. megyn: social security, is it a ponzi scream, 33% said it's fair. 58% said it's unfair. i find more information in the part tree break down. 52% of republicans say that is a fair 4 characterization to me, 10% of the democrats think it's fair. indiana -dz 35% think it's fair. the majority say no it isn't. >> when governor perry made his statements about it being a ponzi scream it created a firestorm. megyn: the majority of the republicans are with it. >> that's correct. now, were he to win the nomination and go to the general election, then among the overall

electorate it might be more of a problem. perry they indicate wants to fix social security not end it. that may not be the problem for him that some thought earlier. megyn: mitt romney is out on a campaign trying to convince the american public that rick perry doesn't want to fix it. i don't think it's resonating with voters, i think they think wabts to fix it. peter brown, thank you so much. very interesting. again, folks news and google are partnering to host tonight's republican to bee date from orlando, florida. bret baiemany, many of our viewers submitting questions for the candidates. we will have those questions as well tonight. you in essence will be the fourth panel lis on our debate

panel. you can catch it all tonight, 9:00 eastern, right here on fox news. megyn: this alert coming in from wall street. the dow jones average is now down around 400 points for the day. a big sell off today as investors worry about getting closer to a new global recession. september is shaping up to be a rough month for the job market first time unemployment claims last week totaled 423,000. that number needs to drop below 375,000 to signal sustainable job growth. it has not been that low since february. right now president obama is heading to the heartland where he's taking his jobs plan to the home turf of house speaker john boehner not to mention mitch o'connell. the backdrop in the next hour will be a bridge connecting ohio

and kentucky. they say the president's trip is more about politics than jobs. ed henry has that story. >> reporter: white house officials continue to insist these trips are not political, even as the president keeps on visiting the home turf of these republican leaders. as you noted, republicans do acknowledge that this bridge is in serious disrepair and something needs to be done but they are raising questions about whether or not the project is what you might call solve ready and whether it will create jobs in the short term as the president may suggest today. earlier on fox the former democratic governor of ohio ted strickland was basically saying this us is a perfect example of bad infrastructure that needs to be repaired. it's perfectly appropriate for the president to highlight it and it's perfectly appropriate to have republicans meet him halfway on it. >> there is a lot of infrastructure needs in ohio and across the country and i really

believe this is one of the things that we could do that perhaps everyone could agree is important, to build our struck kwr-r. >> reporter: republican speaker john boehner said there are plans underway to fix this bridge, that it doesn't need the president's jobs plan to actually do that. according to the current plans the construction really won't get going, you'd have to deal with environmental impact studies, until the 2013 to the 2015. so is questioning whether it would be a serious impact on jobs. >> i've long supported replagues the bridge. i'm pleased the president is bringing attention to this much-needed project. you know, now is not the time for the president to go into campaign mode. >> reporter: a white house aid though said that republican leaders should not be finding every excuse in the book to prevent the president's jobs

plan from passing and from preventing construction to get going on this bridge that does connect ohio and ken tech key. h kentucky. the paper says, obama visit won't build new bridge literally they are suggesting, but also figuratively is not going to build a bridge to the republican leaders, megyn. megyn: thank you. new questions about about why former president bill clinton just dissed president obama's new tax plan. >> i don't believe we should be raising taxes or cutting spending either one until we get this economy off the ground. i don't think you can spend or spend enough to get america back to a good economy until we flush that debt. megyn: some answers on where that is going three minutes away. plus, police in michigan now

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megyn: fox news alert on an investigation into a very sophisticated act of vandalism. federal investigators are working with southwest airlines to figure out who is painting strange symbols on the outside of their planes. they are using a heat sensitive chemical that is only visible once the pilot starts the plane and warms it up. police describe the symbols as

resepl pwhreupg arabic characters. the reporter who uncovered the story talked about who has access to do this. trace gallagher has the story coming up in moments. new question questions today about remarks given by bill clinton. >> i personally don't believe we ought to be raising taxes or cutting spending, either one until we get this economy off the ground. i don't think you can spend or not spend enough to get america back to a full employment economy until we flush that debt. we don't have a lot of resentment against people who are successful, we kind of like it, americans do. it's one of our best characteristics. if we think someone earned their money fairly we do not recent their success. americans lost the fact that whatever you think about this millionaire surcharge i don't really care, because i would pay it but it won't effect me because i already pay a middle

income, because i live in new york. but that won't solve the problem. megyn: joining me now democrat of the new democrat network simon rozenburg. and rich lowrey editor of the national review. megyn: you have bill clinton speaking out in way that the white house may not consider all that helpful. the reports are that behind the scenes they are saying they are surprised and displeased. simon, you're a former clinton guy, what do you make of the comments? why is he doing that. >> i don't think anyone tells bill clinton how to think about any issue. he's obviously a very smart guy. what he was saying is the current path we are on is unsustainable and we need a new plan. i think president obama laid that out for the past few weeks. we are headed in a different direction and that's when the

economy needs. megyn: that's not really a fair description of the issue. president obama does believe we need a plan an unveiled it this week and half of it is tax hikes, so you've got the former president taking a shot at half the president obama's plan. you can't spin it, it's no big deal, they agree. they don't agree. >> they don't agree, that is clear. i think though but where they do agree is that the current path they were on, megyn isn't working. the economy is slipping back into recession. we tried the republicans austerity start gee this year and it didn't work. it's the central reason we are moving back into recession and the global economy is to danger. i think what the president did responsibly in the last two weeks is layout a new path, a different path than we were on, clearly he doesn't have euna anytime ma tee in his own party but he's going to fight for it. we have a spirited debate about where we need to go that is better than where we were a few weeks ago. megyn: rich, why is bill clinton doing this.

>> i'm going to go out on a limb here and say, i think he's saying what he sincerely believes, and there is no alterior motive. this is the centrist bill clinton speaking here. it's just common-sense. under no circumstances does it make sense to raise taxes in a weak economy. that's exactly what barack obama wants to do in 2013. and what you have is bill clinton speaking the truth about it. president obama wants a populous talking point he doesn't want a plan that is actually going to pass congress, even senate democrats don't like this. all he has is a talking point, it doesn't make any substantive sense. megyn: you know, in a way he sounded familiar to me to president obama not long ago, simon, because president obama ten months ago was saying we shouldn't raise taxes in the middle of a recession. now he also believes that we need to spend more, and president clinton was saying,

don't raise taxes and spend more keep money bumping into the economy. now president obama has reversed himself saying, well we can tax more khropbgs you spend the money. >> i think the circumstances have changed. in the beginning of the year after two years and there was a successful sometime plus plan and the quantitative easing of the fed things were getting better. when we removed the fiscal stimulus and the quantitative easing it didn't work. the president is saying we can't afford to go back into recession. we need a different plan. he's put out a plan for the best thing he thinks is to do. president obama believes this is what is needed now given where the economy is and now we are having a debate about it. >> i said he wanted a talking point rather than something that could pass. even senate democrats a lot of them are rejecting the tax increase. the idea that the debt deal that cuts maybe $7 billion in the

upcoming i physical year, that is problem for our economic problems is just flatly absurd. it's just absurd. >> it's not what i said. >> public austerity program. >> the removal of quantitative easing the removal of the physical stimulus in place the last two years. the markets tanked this summer. >> the gdp growth has been disappointing for a long tomorrow, it didn't just start last month. it might have pumped the stock market up, and commodity prices up a little bit but did not help the fundamentals. megyn: let me jump in. i want to get us back on track. simon, let me ask you, somebody who used to work for clinton. who was right, your former boss, bill clinton or president obama on the taxing. >> i think we're having a spirited debate about where we need to go. megyn: don't give me the spirited or nonspirited, obama

or clinton. >> i've been very supportive of the president obama, president obama's current plan and i think it's the right course for the country at this time. but there you go. thanks, megyn. megyn: thanks you both so much. always a pleasure. folks we have brand-new video just into fox of this deadly plane crash at a reno air race. we've been reporting on this all week this week. ahead we'll show you the new view to sigh if we can get any clues about what might have gone wrong. trace gallagher did some really great reporting on this earlier in the week. we'll have that day today. with a union process going out of control in portland, a new round of arrests and new questions about where this strike goes next when "america live" comes right back live from orlando. >> they come in and use force to move us off these railroad traction. i think we've opened some

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viewers questioning submitted through google for the republican candidates participating in tonight's big debate. tonight the american public will play a huge role in the event, asking the gop hopefuls some of their toughest questions yesterday. shannon bream joins us live right here in orlando with the latest details on the questions, on the feedback we expect from you tonight and how to view the realtime responses we'll be getting on the web. >> reporter: it all starts at youtube.com/fox news. at 8:30 that's where the preshow starts online live and there is a whole lot more about how you can be involved. take a look at this. at 9:00pm eastern the live stream of the debate begins and it's time for you to start voting in the polls that will run all night long to the right of the green. immigration, gay marriage, government regulations weigh in with the click of a mouse. you'll be able to share your comments on what is happening during the debate in realtime.

think one of the candidates nailed a question or blew it big time, head to the have your say section just below the live stream. >> there will be a box there you can type in your feedback on the debate, how you think it's going. there will be a feed of what fox come commentators are thinking about the debate. >> reporter: we'll he bring you up to the minute poll results, talk about your reaction to how the candidates are trending. we continue with a post debate show streaming live and that is not all. >> all of the questions and answers will be up on the youtube channel. you'll be able to watch each clip and then vote on how you think the candidates did and give your feedback to everyone about how you think the debate went. >> reporter: so before, during and after anyone out there can have a voice in this debay. we have more than 18,000 questions, more than a hundred thousand votes on the questions. folks will have to watch tonight as you guys have the panel questions there and see what of the other questions were chosen

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say there is nothing firm as far as the motive goes. the victim is 42-year-old eric kha pell, he's a business lawyer who handles business disputes. they are trying to see if that might play a part. look at the video it looks like baghdad. he was driving his sue sons to football practice when his car exploded. the alcohol, tobacco and firearms say the bomb was placed under the car right in the middle of the chassis and it was powerful and meant to kill. it seriously injured him and his two sons. i want you to listen to chappell and haw come he was. >> we had a bad accident my car blew up with two kids. you've been called about it already. i'm telling you what is going on with the boys. i have two significant leg injures. one to his bottom left leg and one to the bottom buttocks are chewed up pretty good.

they are pleading bleeding, we need somewhere now. >> reporter: the atf says they are in the process of trying to piece this bomb together to see one, how it was made and two how it was detonated. more importantly they want to find out who planted this thing. they are also checking various tips, and some surveillance cameras to see when this bomb might have been placed beneath that car. we should report, though, that chappell and his two sons are expected to survive this tragedy. megyn. megyn: wow. thankfully. trace thank you. unbelievable. back now to tonight's big gop debate. in just a few hours the republican candidates will take to the stage to respond to some very tough questions. one of the topics, i'm going to let you in on a little secret, will be immigration. what exactly are voters saying about this hot button issue in advance of tonight's big debate. pollster frank luntz sat down

with a focus group for some answers. >> one of the hottest issues in the republican prime a airy is immigration, what to do with illegal immigrants. first off how many of you would say that it is a crisis. raise your hands. how many you have would say it's one of your top two issues, raise your hands. okay, it clearly matters, why does it matter so much to you. >> jobs. it's taking jobs away from americans and i don't buy this that americans wouldn't do these jobs. >> why does it concern you? >> for the same reason. also, you know, it brings a lot of expenses with the illegal immigrants. >> what kind of expenses. >> education, medical, gosh, welfare, although they say they don't get it, i think they do. >> what is the issue? >> i believe that immigrants are well k-pl here as long as they do the same things that our grandparents did when they came to ellis island. >> would you guys agree with that. >> yes. >> you're supportive of legal immigration. >> a hundred percent.

>> this issue has become so prevalent in the campaign that rick perry has been the focus of an attack ad that i'd like to show and you all looked at it. watch how high the lines go when rick perry's position on illegal immigration is attacked in this campaign ad. >> illegal immigration, fair & balanced. rick perry signed a will you to make taxpayers pay college tuition for illegal immigrants. michelle bachmann opposes giving government benefits to illegal immigrants. michelle bachmann also supports the arizona immigration law, but perry opposed it in texas. michelle bachmann believes employers should be required to check the legal status of people they hire with e-verify. perry doesn't. so illegals take jobs. financial backers even killed immigration enforcement in texas. the difference is clear to stop

illegal immigration, support michelle bachmann. go to keep conservatives united..com. contribute and keep this message on the air. keep conservatives united.com. >> that is one of the most powerfully dialed ads and it's a negative. and you guys were way up. what is so credible about that ad. >> i believe the illegal immigration issue is bigger than the ad. i believe we should allow the eup immigrants to pay a fee and become citizens at that point. similar to a plan that george bush add. those of the time these are the jobs that the americans don't want any way. >> right now illegal immigrants come n they don't come in through the normal legal passages like our parents did, you had to have a job, they come in and take out of the pot and put nothing back in. as long as they are here legally they are contributing and

everybody should want them. >> it was a good informational ad. we saw a side of rick perry that we did not know about before. >> did it surprise you? >> it surprised m a lot considering that his faith is so impacted by the illegal immigration. >> who was surprised about what that ad taught you about rick perry. >> i was surprised that the governor of texas with all the illegal immigration and the problems that they have with illegal immigrants that he would sign legislation to educate, let them in. >> i know it will be a big issue. we'll be talking about immigration as the election goes forward and learn a lot more about the candidates as you watch the advertising. back to you. megyn: frank luntz, thank you. again, folks, fox news and google are partnering to host tonight's republican debate from orlando, florida. who will emerge as the frontrunner after this? the stakes could not be higher. breath breath will be the moderator, i will be on the panel along with chris wallace

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megyn: fox news alert on that deadly air show crash in reno. we have new video into the newsroom showing the moment of impact. i want to warn you that this video may be disturbing to wat

watch. >> no, no, no, no, oh no [screaming] >> oh, god. >> are you all right? >> oh, my god. megyn: just awful. the amateur video shows the final moment when a world war ii plane dove into a crowd of spectators last week, 11 people were killed including the pilot, dozens more injured by debris. federal investigators are trying to figure out what caused the crash. they are looking at a piece of the tail that appeared to break off before the plane went down. another fox news alert now this time a new twist with questions about a politically connected wireless company. reports surfacing that a second government official has now come forward saying the obama

administration tried to influence his testimony too about the wireless firm lights squared. our molly henneberg has been dugging into these reports. she joins us live from washington. >> reporter: what's important here is what anthony russo did and did not say to congress. he has a long government title, the director of the national coordination office for space-based positioning navigation and timing. essentially that means he save guards the nation's gps system. light squared is trying to put up a nationwide wireless broadband system. they are concerned about its effects on gps. here is what russo told the house sigh event committee earlier this month. he said part of light scared plans will create harmful interference with the gps system. what he did not say that a line of the obama administration omb suggested he should, and that

problems could be resolved within 90 days. russo took that line out of his remarks to the house committee and insists there was no political fallout from that decision. he told fox today, there was no pressure to change any part of my testimony. still, russo is the second official to say that omb wanted that line in testimonybout problems being resolved in testing within 90 days. for star air force general william shelton said he felt pressured to tell a congressional committee the same thing but he also decided not to include that line. light squared is a private company but its biggest investor is a big democratic donor with ties to president obama. russ on shelton were able to voice their concerns over light squared plans and it is usual protocol for agent sees such as omb to review and make suggestions about testimony before congress. megyn. megyn: molly, thank you. if you recall, candidate obama

promised a transparent administration and vowed to change the way that washington used to do things. that has critics now raising questions about these reports that the administration may be trying to help a politically connected firm. steven coen is the executive director for the national whistle-blower foundation. the ce oh of light squared came on our show. he said it has nothing to do with politics, we are trying to get a network in the sky so we can be competitive when it comes to wireless communication. the obama administration seems to say this is par for the course. we look at testimony before people go so we have a consistent message across the board. so what is the issue? >> it's all about the money. it's all about the politics. when the administration comes in and pressures people as to how to testify. now these two witnesses apparently didn't buckle under the pressure. but i'll tell you right now

we've seen federal employee after federal employee, when they sit down in the room with their manages, and white house officials, you don't think that they buckle under that pressure more times than not? and it is business as usual. instead of letting federal workers testify truthfully they are often put into the room and pressured. we've been trying to fight this for years. we've been trying to strengthen the protections that employees have so they can testify freely to congress, and those attempts have just really failed. megyn: you know, the other thing that is at issue in the light squared case, one of the things is whether the fcc, when it gave light squared a waiver back in january of 2011, whether there was anything inappropriate about it doing that. whether it did that under political pressure or not. and some have asked the fcc to produce the emails. could you make the emails and

correspondence with light squared public. the fcc refused the ceo came on my show and said i'll look into it. the fcc doesn't want to do it. you have a former fcc commissioner a republican guy appointed under bush coming out and saying, i don't know about what is happening here saying -- i want to make sure i have him quoted correctly, he said it's highly unusual to put a timeline on these -- on the remedies that light squared was offering and that's what the administration wanted them to do. they wanted the people to go before congress and say we think all of our objections will be resolved within the 0 days. and this former fcc guy said it would be highly unusual to force somebody to say that. what do you make of it? are they being transparent or not, the fcc in particular. >> no, the emails should be produced. i will tell you right now the line level federal employee, the

bureaucrats, the ones who it's their career to serve the public, paid for by the taxpayer, they are under pressure. they have minimum to no protections. they know if they buck their bosses they can be fired. and, yes, some of them still have the courage to step forward to testify honestly. those emails need to be produc produced. and the obama administration must be compliant with its promise during the campaign to increase whistle-blower protections. they know they need to be increased. the president can do it through an executive order, but he hasn't. congress has stalled the president can push it. candidate obama was extremely clear that federal employees lacked the legal protections to testify truthfully, and not to buckle under pressure.

they lacked that. the employees need those rights, they need them now. taxpayers need access to that information. megyn: steven coen, thank you so much. >> thank you. megyn: this has to be one of the strangers stories we've heard in a longtime. one man says he has photographic proof that hollywood actor nick cage is a vampire. we'll show you his evidence and let you decide. and a new round of arrests in a union dispute in a u.s. port. how this situation got so out of control and what is next in the port workers strike. >> we are not roughing up wives, grandmothers or anybody else, that's not our job. it's not our mo to do that. >> we just want them to protest peacefully. [ male announcer ] you love the taste of 2% milk.

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megyn: to a story that is everywhere online today. one man is suggesting that actor nicholas cage could be a real life vampire. it's all based on this picture appearing to be a virtual twin of this actor. here. look at this. a man in seattle was asking one million dollars for it on ebay saying the picture was taken in tennessee back in 1870. it has since been removed -- look at this. look at this. it does look exactly like nicholas cage. but this man who thinks nick cage is a vampire believes it actually is nicholas cage, a civil war era photo, and he wants america to believe that

nick cage is doubling as a vampire. he is predicting he will return in 150 years this time as a politician, perhaps the leader of a cult or maybe even a talk show host. we'll look forward to that, nick. moving on. fights break out as police arrest a dozen protestors at a union demonstration in washington state. officers moved in when port workers and supporters tried to block a train from entering a grain terminal. it's the latest in a six-month dispute between long shore unions and companies trying to hire none union workers. >> reporter: nine of those protestors were women, some of them were the mothers and wives of the longshoremen. what they did was they laid down on the train traction 40 miles north of portland and they were kind ever intertwining their hands, kind of blocking. you can see there. it's illegal to block a train. this train was filled with wheat. so the police went into arrest

them. it was all pretty peaceful at first, they had their signs up and then the protestors accused the cops of roughing up the women and here is what happened next. two of the men confronted police and a fight broke out. this thing got uglynd it got ugly very fast, in fact it lasted for more than a minute. finally the men were subdued as you can see right there, they were pepper sprayed and they were arrested. here is the vice president of the long sphoer man tphold b longshoreman followed by the police response. >> they come in and use force to move us off these railroad traction. >> i think we've opened up people's eyes and we're not going to shop. >> we don't rough up grandmothers, wives, or anyone else, it's not our mo to do that kind of thing. >> we want them to protest peacefully, to do whatever they can without violating the law. >> reporter: just to give you a quick wrap-up here, they are protest th-g grain company because the grain company wanted to hire none union workers, they

changed their mind agreeing to hire union workers but not the longshoreman. that's why this thing lasted six months, it's not going to go away any time soon. megyn: isn't this the case where we talked about dumping the manure on the site? >> reporter: yes. it is. megyn: yeah. >> reporter: it is that. and they over ran a guard gate. yeah. megyn: thank you, trace. coming up, horror at a courthouse, chilling video captures a gunman opening fire, people running for their lives. the story behind the unbelievable tape and much more on our debate live here from orlando, florida, coming up. almost tastes like one of jack's als. fiber one.

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megyn: fox news alert. we are less than 7 hours away from a decisive debate in the

presidential election. 9 candidates vying for the republican nomination. preparing right now right here. the two frontrunners have already been debating each other for days. that stage you see on your screen is where it will all happen tonight in front of a live audience of 5,000 voters in florida. rick perry starring with mitt romney over social security. mitt romney yesterday attacking governor perry for calling it a ponzi scheme. >> there is an entirely different alternative proposed by governor perry. in this book that came out said in his view social security itself is a failure. he said by any measure social security is a failure. i disagree. i think about it me sure of the tens of millions of people who rely on social security, it's a success. he says secondly that social

security isn't something the federal government ought to be doing. that it's unconstitutional. that social security should be hand back to the states. megyn: governor perry indirectly firing back at governor romney on sean hannity's show. >> i think it's important for the people of america and the republican primary to see the clear differences the candidates have and we need to mom united nations -- nominate someone who will have a stark clear difference between the republican nominee and president obama. i think i'm that person who can clearly delineate the differences. we don't need to nominate obama light or someone who will blur the lines between president obama and our nominee. chris stirewalt is here in

orlando as well. it seems as if rick perry may have read your power play where you write the following. the for romney hits perry on social security, the more republican primary voters who mostly agree with perry will be annoyed by this line of attack. so when perry was given an opportunity to respond. he tried to focus on president obama, then a few jabs with governor romney at the end. do you think he's reading "power play"? >> i think what you are seeing right now -- you called it sparring, and this is like before a heavyweight prize fight that the could combatants are sizing each other up and looking for each other's vulnerabilities. perry's people are making it plain. here come some knockout jabs when they come after romney tonight.

he has taken his licks in the first two debates. now in this third debate he's coming back at romney. romney wants to look presidential, wants to make perry look like he's too extreme so he will look have a cooler performance and those two will collide with each other in a big way tonight. megyn: what do you anticipate will happen? mitt romney has been going around with his questions on social security. he has been doing it on the stumps. does perry come out and answer those questions tonight? >> here is what perry needs to do more than anything else. he has to demonstrate that he has strong policy grasp. republicans -- his fellow republicans have been hitting him on immigration, social security. afghanistan. it's been difficult. now what he's got to do is demonstrate, i don't just talk the talk. i have the policy points to back

that up. when you guys are grilling him tonight what it comes down to is can he stand and deliver? he has the kind of message that republican voters obviously want to hear. does he have the policy substance to back that up? megyn: let me ask you about that. do you have think he has been give and pass thus far and getting deep into policy because it's a new guy, the texas governor. people think i like him, i'm going to give him time to get up to speed. do you think we are at the point where republican voters are saying i want to hear something specific now? >> you got it. the first debate in this three-debate series. he starts out, the new kid in town, they love him. the second time things get tougher and people want to know the policy. now debate three, the consequence quengs matchup, perry has to show he has

substance. romney called him unelectable in "usa today." perry has to back him down. megyn: it's not just those two candidates. there will be seven others on the stage. chris stirewalt, thank you very much. they have a lot to win or gain. these two might fight so hard they take each other out. don't count anybody out in this. we'll also have a new candidate on the stage tonight. the former governor of new mexico gary johnson will be participating. nine candidates on the stage. it happens 9:00 p.m. eastern time. history shows you cannot call the race based on poll numbers. 2007, check out the real clear politics average a year before the '08 presidential election. rudy giuliani was top can the

republican pack for president with 28% of the vote. senator thompson was second:23%. john mccain a distant third. but he went on to win the nomination. mitt rom an -- mitt romney and e huckabee round out the five. the solar company that went bankrupt and left taxpayers on the hook for half a billion dollars. now the house oversight commit eve is investigating the white house's record on so-called green jobs. >> reporter: in advance of tomorrow's test moan write from leaders of brucht solyndra in which they plan to plead the fifth. the oversight committee released a majority report that secures

the obama administration's green jobs record. they say taxpayers have received little return from president obama's investments in green jobs. >> they are building more coal plants and buying more more can coal than any other customer. the number one exporter of coal to china is us. the number one importer of coal in the world is china from us. they are building wind mills so we can subsidize them and buy them. they are buying solar panels so we can subsidize them and buy them. they are using low-cost energy. isn't that the model today? >> reporter: . some think that the numbers have been inflated.

some democrats on the other handle pointed out many fossil fuels have been heavily subsidized over the years. one indication of how deep the green divide is on capitol hill. the florescent lightbulbs that were mandated by democratic speaker in * are being replaced by incandescent bulbs under speaker boehner. megyn: that's interesting. the white house launching a new investigation of wasteful spending. revelations of $16 muffins. i'm talking $16 per muffin. would you ever -- if you walk into the dunkin donuts and starbucks, wouldn't you say are you kidding me? but the department of justice did it. they paid for $8 cups of coffee to wash them down and that sparked a new review of catering expenses.

the office of management and budget is directing all agencies to conduct a thorough review of how they are spending taxpayer dollars on conferences. thank you, omb. strange acts of vandalism targeting commercial airline jets. they are raising new concerns about airplane safety. the fbi and southwest airlines are investigating mysterious messages etched in arabic on jets. we are told the graffiti first began appearing in february. >> reporter: even some of the employees as the southwest airlines are spooked by this. it's looking lik an inside job. they appear to be written in arabic, either writings or symbols though investigators won't talk about what they i or what they mean. but they are you haved in the underbelly of the plane using some type after chemical

process. and when the plane is heated up by using an auxiliary unit, the hotter the outside of the skin gets the more visible the symbols or writings get. kinds of like a weird movie. the plane gets hotter, the symbols get brighter. the graffiti began appearing in february. but in the past couple weeks they found more and more of these planes. here is an investigative radio reporter who has been following this. listen to this. >> it does raise disturbing questions. anybody who has the ability to write on an airplane and can get that close to do it also has the ability to do other things to that aircraft. >> reporter: that's a big problem for tsa the fbi and the tsa are investigating. it's not clear how many planes are involved in this because they are keeping a lid on this. they don't want any employees talking to the media about this at all.

but you are talking about some kind of writing or symbols on the bellies of aircraft and the question is who has access. they are checking security cameras to find out what they can pull up. megyn: trace, thank you. she just tossed her head in the ring to challenge massachusetts senator scott brown. elizabeth warren touching a nerve in a viral video. what she says that has critics and fans alike talking. a video of a terrifying scene inside a courthouse. a gunman opening fire and on the hunt for one person in particular. have you heard about this satellite that's supposed to crash into earth tomorrow? nasa still has no idea where it will actually come down. but we got brand-new information about one place we can rule out. ♪ catch a falling star and put it in your pocket, never let it fade away ♪

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megyn: new reactions about comments by democratic candidate elizabeth washen. she is challenging senator scott brown for his seat. warren touching a nerve in a message that's making the rounds. she challenged the idea that raising tax on the rich amounts to class warfare. this has become the response to that argument. she says, quote, there is nobody in this country who got rich on his own. nobody. you build a factory, good for you. but i want to be clear. you move your goods to market on the roads the rest of us pay for. you hire workering the rest of us paid to educate. you were safe in your factory because of police forces and fire forces that the rest of us

paid for. you didn't have to worry that bands would seize everything at your factory. because of the work the rest of us did. kirsten powers is a columnist at the "daily beast." thank you for being here. this is interesting to me. it seems like kirsten when you hear this online progressives are giddy. while the message may not be new. she has crystallized it in a way that can be understood by everyone that at some level speaks to them >> i think they also feel a lot of times liberals or democrats will shrink away from arguing aggressively on why we need to raise taxes on certain people. she is making the argument that you have a benefit from starting a company in the united states versus, say, rwanda.

that there is a real benefit of being here and having educated people, of having a functioning government, and having a stable government, having road, having all these different things. and that cost money. megyn: she is trying to take on the republicans on their own argument by saying you want to talk fairness? it is fair for the government to take more of your money because it's really not your money or at least you wouldn't have gotten it if it hadn't been for the collective society's money. does that work with the independents and the republicans? >> i hope not. it doesn't work with me. it seems to me that what warren says -- some of it is true and where it' not true, it's patently silly. kirsten brings up rwanda. i don't know many republicans are arguing for the social

economic model of rwanda. you can have the same argument she is make being the social contract under calvin coolidge's administration. no conservative is against police and fire department. but somehow because there is a social contract that you can't have class warfare makes no sense. she is say we need to raise taxes even more on a segment of society that is paying the lion's shaffer income taxes and nothing in what she says makes that case. she is just stating the obvious and people are hearing what they want to hear in it megyn: what do you think about it kirsten? we are talking about taxing more of the rich. president obama wants to raise taxes on so-called millionaires. at what point do you draw the line? you can get to the point now -- we have a federal tax rate that's 35% for the wealthiest people. and you add in state taxes and local taxes you are talking 50%

in cities like new york. at what point would elizabeth warren be satisfied with taxes? at what point do progressives want to draw the line? >> when you hear this rate, that isn't the rate they end up paying. there are a lot of loopholes abductions. megyn: those are only for the people with investments. if you just straight income you have to pay the straight income tax. >> the thing is people are always talking about there is always people in the country that don't pay taxes, working class people that don't pay taxes. a lot of them aren't paying because of the earned income credit or child tax credit. they would be paying but they are getting tax credits back. in 2009 there was 1,500 millionaires who didn't pay taxes. the top 400 earners in the

country has a tax rate of 4%. and far less than it was in the 10s. i guess i disagree the rich are suffering so much. i think they are in a pretty good position and there are a lot of credits and loopholes that benefit them. and i would love to have low taxes for everybody. it's not that i love raising tax on everybody. but we have a major problem with the deficit and we are not going to get there without raising taxes. it will be raising taxes and cutting spending. >> everything kirsten says is defensible, though i'm sure we would disagree with what the right tax rates are. what elizabeth warren is saying because we have this social contract we have an infinite obligation to pay whatever tax rates those who speak of the social contract say we should. that same person pays the salaries of all his workers.

it has nothing to do with this dorm room bond session talk. it high school to do with what is the best tax system to get the most results. i agree with kristen we should have a reformed tax code and get rid of these loopholes. but you make it sounds like rich people aren't paying tax and that's nonsense. megyn: better take your lunch plans inside tomorrow. a piece of space junk the size of a city bus plunging back to earth as we speak. we are counting down to the fox news google debate. your truly joining chris wallace and bret baier on the stage tonight. accept it.

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megyn: the two americans released from jail in iran spending their first full day of freedom in seclusion with their families. [cheers and applause] wow! josh fattal and shane bauer arrived yesterday after a million dollars bail deal. they were jailed for two years along with sarah shore. we brought you couple stories about an out of control satellite as big as a bus falling to earth. nasa does not know where the nearly 6-ton satellite will land. it's expected to crash into earth tomorrow. but don't panic. nasa says there is a good chance this thing will land in the

ocean. kris gutierrez live at the nasa space center. then again it might not land in the ocean. >> reporter: you are right. but hopefully we have good news. nasa is now saying the satellite will likely enter at a spot not north america. take a deep breath. according to the people tracking this thing it will not reenter over north america. but there is a large portion of the globe that could be affected by this thing. iting the size of a school bus and it's barreling toward earth. when it hits reentry it is expected to break up into chunks as large as 300 pound, like a refrigerator falling from the sky. and nasa has no idea where it's going to land. >> this object is uncontrolled so it's behaving in ways that are random. it's frustrating but it's long

known this is a problem. >> this satellite was launched into space 20 years ago before the government had what is called a controlled reentry plan. now the satellites are built with an extra engine so nasa can direct them into a certain spot. they can direct it to land in the pacific ocean if this were to happen in the future. megyn: the countdown is on to tonight's big gop debate in florida. nine presidential candidates will face off. what can you expect? bret baier is going to moderate this debate. he, chris wallace and i will be asking the questions an, chris wallace and i will sit down and talk about it right after this break. you cannot get a better preview in the segment you are about to see. new privacy concerns after a major u.s. company says it will

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megyn: it lasted 15 minutes but witnesses say it felt like a lifetime. about a man walked into a courthouse and opened fire. witnesses say was on the hunt for a judge who preside over his divorce. >> reporter: this is a man who believes that a judge wronged him during this divorce proceedings. the man -- there are no metal detectors inside this courthouse. the man you are seeing walk up the steps momentarily, he came inside. he's wearing a trench coat. you can see him put his motorcycle helmet down. inside the trench coat he has an assault rifle and two handguns. he gets to the judgment office. this is where he's loading the gun. he pause for a few moments before he goes inside. the gun is loaded. let's take the camera inside the judgment office. he walks into the office.

he looks around, and boom he starts opening fire. you will see the employees, one is hiding rind a desk. you will see another one run out of there. the door is locked. she starts pounding on the door, she got inside finally. listen to what witnesses said >> the caliber of gun that he had, it was so big in this courthouse it echoed. >> it looked like he was wants to go get shot. he was asking for somebody to please shoot me. >> reporter: the judge was not in his office. you can see his gun jammed an was shake it. he got one magazine out, reloaded it with another one, he walked down the stairs and back outside where he confronted police. he began shooting them. he never ducked for cover. police returned fire, fatally wounding him. the man sent a text message to a member of his family before this saying that he in10ed to commit

suicide. he did. one person was injured in this. nobody was killed. 15-25 shots fired. megyn: that is chilling tape. good job with the report, trace, thank you very much. the countdown is on to prime time. we are 6 1/2 hours from an important republican debate right here in orlando, florida. fox news is partnering with google to bring you tonight's big event. chris wallace will join me on the panel. the 3 of us will be asking the question, who better to ask now what questions will be asked. just lay it all out. >> reporter: the first question -- megyn: define the word wordle. >> reporter: it's a word cloud. in which the word used most in

these questions is the biggest word. we'll be showing those in various topics. megyn: google has found out, what is most interesting to people. and we'll hit on that. let me tell you what i think. it will be tougher for the candidates this round. because they have already don't now. so their initial talking points and opening statements are out there. they can't keep repeating that. they have to go deeper and say something more meaningful and punchy tonight to resonate with people. am i wrong? >> reporter: you are absolutely right. all of the candidates have come to the arena to walk through to see the lighting and stand behind their podium. i went down when rick perry was there. he said i have been in two of these debates. by was the pinata. i was the new kid on the block. that's over. i heard their attacks on me. they ought to get ready because i'm coming after them tonight. megyn: who has the most at stake

tonight? >> reporter: it's tough to say. they want to make a splash and change the dynamic. this according to the polls is becoming a romney-perry battle. i think governor perry will have something to prove after a couple debates are arguably he didn't respond on the offensive many times. i think what he told chris is indicative of what we might see tonight megyn: before you count out anybody else, before you say the romney-perry race. this time september 22, 2007, four years ago today, rudy giuliani topped the republican pack for president. fred thompson was second at 23%. john mccain a distant third at 15%. >> reporter: a new candidate could get in this race. chris christie. sarah palin. even among the candidates who were there. mike huckabee ended up winning iowa, just emerged out of

nowhere. all kinds of things can happen. the people who were the frontrunners could go down and some of the people in the back of the pack could go up. and thank god for that. we don't decide, the pollings don't decide, you decide. megyn: you see the candidates, they are not giving up john hunt is not giving up because he's polling throw. the viewers -- you never know. and not on that, the candidates who are polling low can change the shape of the dough bait and you guys have seen that in the priesh ones you have done. >> reporter: newt gingrich had some great debates from your points of view. but he did make a slash. he got a lot of attention. and he changes the dynamic when he's on stage. he has a lot of things to say. michele bachnn needs to make a mark. after the straw poll, the polls didn't show any bounce.

megyn: you have been doing this longer than i have. but i'm surprised the at how much work goes into these questions. it's not like you come up with your questions and you ask them. they are vet, a team participating. is this how you do "fox news sunday"? >> reporter: no. there is a big difference. we do plan out questions. and as a cross-examination you were a trial lawyer. you know if he says this, what do i say back. the big question is i ask a question, and he or she gets a minute to respond. o'reilly said that would drive him nuts. as a result maybe you get a followup. so your initial question has to be very tightly framed because they can go off. some of them still will go off and say whatever they want to say. >> reporter: the unique thing here is the youtube element and

all the questions we'll be running from the 19,000 question submissions. that's unique. they run the gamut. all different kinds of questions. megyn: these are real people from all parts of america with real questions. they look good, some of them did their lighting, but they are regular americans who don't have the bells and which manies we have. they want straight answers. we'll be there to hold the candidates responsible to make sure those viewers get the answers to their questions. gentlemen, look forward toss it. the countdown is on. it all starts right here on the fox news channel 9 p.m. eastern time. we are partnering with google for the third gop presidential debate of the election season. chris wallace and shannon breen and myself will all be

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megyn: president obama is about to deliver remarks on the americans jobs act at a bridge between kentucky and ohio. house speaker downbaron and senate republican leader mitch mcconnell. big brother keeping an eye on you when you gets behind the wheel, fin don't want him to. a stunning admission from on star, the popular subscription service. on star notifying customers that it may continue collecting data about their cars even after they end their subscriptions. and this is raising some concerns for the privacy groups and regular old folks as well. the executive director of the electronic privacy information center, mark, i'm an on star customer. if i call them you have and say

it's over between us, they say not so fast, we are going to continue to monitor where you drive your car and what you do with your car? >> that's about it. you can cancel your service and they will still keep tracking you. a lot of people are upset about this. i think they should be. it's fine if you signed up. it's one of the features of the service. but if you decided enough is enough they should turn it off megyn: why are they doing that? how do they justify that >> they say you might come back as a customer which i guess makes sense. to keep your customer information, they don't have to keep track of where you are going. they like to use the data they collect, and this is a big parts of the story, they are gathering lots after data about the scrub describers making that information available third parties for research and commercial sales. they say it's all anonymous. it's not personally identifiable. i think that's what's going on. i think they want to continue to

collect the data on people who are subscribers or were subscribers. megyn: what are they collecting? where i drive all day? >> that's a lot of information. if you think about it for a moment. detailed information not only about location but also time of day. people forget this sometimes. typically gps data doesn't just say where you were, it says when you were at that place. all that data will be siting in the profile about you. some of that information is very helpful and can be used to provide services for you. but if you have turned off the service and you don't want the data collect and on star keeps collect it, i think that's a problem megyn: i see this becoming relevant in the courtroom. someone, a jilted spouse who is accusing the other spouse of infidelity, can they get on star

records and say look where he was during those times of day or someone who is on the run and takes his car. they can use its for that purpose. but it might work from a legal perspective and help a courtroom setting. but that doesn't solve the privacy concerns. people still have rights. >> it does. for most of the on star customers that's a big concern. you what that information being collected about you to provide you with the service. you don't want it being turned over to lawyers or courts or the police and used for other purposes. i do think if people have made the decision to cancel the service for on star to continue to district and turn it over to somebody else, that probably would raise some legal issues. fan * the on star does say if the customer requests us to turn off the 2-way connection we'll do as we have always done and that is to honor the customer's

request. megyn: do i have to say turn off the connection snits's truly over between us? >> that was really funny. i was trying to think about an analogy. it's like closing your bank accounts and also having to tell the bank that you wants your money back. it's so counter intuitive. when you end a service that the relationship should be ended. for the service to say by the way if you want us to stop tracking you you have to tell us that as well. that should be the default. megyn: most consumers who have on star will not have seen this segment or read articles about that. they won't understand they have to jump through another hoop to sever the connection. all the best. nothing but pain on wall street today. and your 401k is feeling its. the dow is down ouch more than 400 points. and we still have more than an hour left of trading. maybe there will be a rally.

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>> iran's president gets a cold shoulder at the united nations. diplomats from the u.s. and other western nations walk out of the general assembly during an off the wall address.

he questioned the holocaust again and accusing the u.s. of using the mysterious 9/11 attacks to launch attacks. bob ward is accused of fatally shooting his wife. his attorneys argue the woman was suicidal and ward was trying to stop her from killing herself. a former biology pro feelsor in huntsville pleading not guilty by reason of insanity. she was allegedly angry over the school's refusal to grant her tenure. world markets down sharply and investors feeling a lot of pain in the united states. the dow is down quite a bit. it's down 421 points at the moment. robert gray is joining us from fox business network.

robert, second day of a pretty bad slump. >> reporter: it started with the fed yesterday. they spooked investors with that statement after their policy meeting ended when they put out a statement that they saw significant risks to the down side for the economy. we have been talking about this for several months and years in some cases about whether the economic recovery was going take hold. and in fact the feds underscoring that yesterday seems to have shaken confidence. we saw stocks selling off almost instantly. but almost immediately after that you saw stocks moving lower. it continued overnight. we had disappointing manufacturing data out of china indicating their economy is slowing down as well. europe of course embroiled in a debt crisis. the fed mentioned the debt crises and allude together ones here and in europe in its statement. so a lot of focus on that.

the shares overseas have been down all day. then you had fedex. they lowered their four-year profit forecast. that stock is down 8%. the dow is down 4%. the s & p500 also down. >> you have moodies downgrading three banks how big an impact is that. >> reporter: it's chipping away at investor confidence. bank of america with mort gauges and possible litigation from the countrywide acquisition a couple years ago. city group of and wells fargo in there also. so again just chipping away at investor confidence with the bank. it's the financials in europe and here that everyone is concerned about. perhaps some silver lining, gasoline prices and the grocery

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