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>> jamie: good morning, a stunning upset in last night's florida straw poll. >> tonight's winner with 986 votes, 37.1%, herman cain. >> jamie: what a victory for him and it could have an impact on the 2012 republican presidential race, good to have you here this morning, i'm jamie colby, hi, eric. >> eric: good morning, everybody and welcome to america's news headquarters, for this sunday morning. as florida governor rick scott said, herman cain took 37% of the straw poll vote, more than front-runners rick perry and mitt romney combined. why the surprise win for the candidate who has hammered away at a new tax code? peter doocy live in washington with analysis and the latest. what is he saying about the big one this morning? >> reporter: he's saying the citizen movement is more powerful than most people realizend his straightforward ideas like the 9-9-9 economic
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recovery plan is starting to get a lot of attention from regular folks who want to actually understand what the candidates are talking about. >> message is more important than money, because i don't have a gajillion dollars, a war chest of a perry or romney they under play the fact my message is resonating. my message of solutions. not just talking about the problems. >> reporter: here's the breakdown of the straw poll, cairn was a huge winner, more than 37%, governor rick perry, the run your up with 15.5% and mitt romney followed, and, former senator rick santorum and congressman ron paul 4th and 5th with just over 10% each and gingrich followed and, huntsman 7th and michelle bachmann finished dead last, 1.5% and it's worth noting, reagan won the straw poll in 1979 and bush 41 in 1987 and dole in 1995 and they haven't had the poll in recent years and might be a good
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indicator of who the viable candidates are nationally, eric. >> eric: it looks topsy-turvy and they expected rick perry to win. >> reporter: his spokesman offered a statement, equal parts gracious and vicious with each sentiment directed at different candidates: "congratulations to herman cain but it is a real loss for mitt romney. he has been campaigning in florida for five years and can't get any traction. rick perry has been campaigning for five weeks." and the perry campaign, don't want to look like sore losers but want everyone to know they think they are getting warmed up and they think romney is cooling off. eric? >> eric: all right. upset the apple cart, but we'll see. thanks. jamie? >> jamie: okay. thank you, texas governor rick perry was expected to finish strong in yesterday's straw poll and his lost bid to herman cain, two days after delivering a widely criticized debate performance and is he now in danger of losing his front-runner status? joining us now, roll call staff
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writer, cher... good morning. >> good morning, jamie. >> jamie: how do you think the candidates did and what does it mean that cain came in so far ahead? >> well, first of all, i think we need to take a step back and realize this is a test. only a test. it is a straw poll, and a small microcosm of florida voters, the same way ames, which is actually much larger, is of iowa republican voters, all right? this is only a test and the same day the results came out there was a similar straw poll in michigan, at an annual republican conference of mackinaw voters and romney got just over 50% of that one and we need to put it in perspective and it is a warning sign for governor perry, his debate performance affected his standing at least with florida voters if not republicans around the country. >> jamie: after the debate it is pretty clear that the governor felt he had not done as well as he could have in the debate. how much of a role did the issue
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of paying for kids of illegal immigrants' education, in his home state, how much did it play, his comments on that? >> i think that was an important issue, especially a lot of floridians, when they went to the straw poll, that is obviously immigration, is obviously a very important issue in florida, but, nationally, i think a lot of people were concerned that he was inarticulate and wasn't the smooth-talking texan we have gotten to know over the last five weeks and that is concerning baugh over the national stage he'll be facing one of the most eloquent public figures, barack obama, believe what you want about him but he's a pretty good speech maker and republicans are concerned about that. >> jamie: you believe that these straw polls can be a bit all over the place, when comparing michigan to florida, for example. how much emphasis should the candidates that don't make the polls and aren't on the list, should they not campaign in those states that have the straw poll around that time? >> no, i don't think that is the
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case, necessarily, because, look ats herman cain, he's go to get a big boost and i'm sure will raise tons of money right now, up at the straw poll win and i think going into the straw poll people would have thought he might have placed 4th or 5th, and by being not as well-known a candidate and competing, he has done well for himself and i think it is a good opportunity, especially for someone like herman cain or michelle bachmann who didn't do well in florida but won the ames straw poll but it is a good way, if you don't have a lot of money to meet voters over and over again, candidates and the second tier can't hurt to compete in these straw polls and the best you get is media stories if you do better than people thought you would. >> jamie: and your name gets out there, too, i guess. great to see you, from "roll call" thanks for joining us and if you missed the fox debate and, i hope didn't miss it but if you did you get another chance and it may have played a factor leading in to the florida straw poll stunner, catch it
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this afternoon, it will reair on fox news, we'll play the en tour debate for you, starting at 2:00 p.m. eastern on fox news channel. >> eric: the largest watched debate of also far. president obama is rattling black voters to try and follow him to battle for jobs and opportunity and the president speaking at the congressional black caucus's annual awards dinner. the president telling the crowd to, quote, put on their marching shoes and press forward with him. >> president barack obama: i know at times that gets folks discouraged. i know. i listen to some of y'all. [laughter]. >> president barack obama: i understand that. and nobody feels that burden more than i do. i expect all of you to march with me and press on! take off your bedroom slippers! put on your marching shoes. shake it off! stop complaining, and stop
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grumbling, stop crying, we are going to press on! we have got work to do! >> eric: the president calling for action. the unemployment rate among our nation's african-americans stands at nearly double the national average. at 16.7%. >> jamie: international news, palestinian president mahmoud abbas returning home and he got a hero's welcome after appealing for statehood at the united nations. telling the crowd in the west bank a palestinian spring has been born. leland vittert is live in jerusalem with more. hi. >> reporter: hi, jamie. you know, it is a good idea when declaring a state, and it is like asking for a raise from your boss during a wage freeze. wait until you see if you actually get the paycheck before you spend it and the boss in this situation, the u.s. in many ways, has already said they are going to reject the palestinian state, if the vote comes to the u.n. security council, so the big question, what are the
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palestinians going to do next? what is abbas's next move? he certainly got a warm reception when he returned to ramala. but, remember, not everybody was in the west bank supports abbas and hamas which controls gaza could use the rejection of a palestinian state to deepen the divide and try to exploit this issue, and, there is also tens of thousands of people within the west bank who are extremely angry that there has not been any real progress towards the palestinians getting their own state and being able to govern themselves, and there is a lot of anger towards that. reference on friday, when all the speeches were happening at the united nations. we had video as palestinians gathered to watch all of the speeches and started throwing shoes at the screen when prime minister benjamin netanyahu of israel got up to give his speech. later to the day, we also had huge clashes at the checkpoint where the main israeli checkpoint is into the west bank, for four hours we had stones flying and molotov
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cocktails in the air tear gas and the rubber bullets from israeli soldiers, and not the violence we saw in the second intifada but it shows you how upset people are, and remember, abbas already said he is not returning to the negotiating table. the u.s. right after abbas's declaration put out a proposal for more talks and he said not a chance. the question is, what does he do over the coming weeks and months, if, for example he calls for mass street protests that could easily spark a cycle of violence that is incredibly difficult to stop. jamie, back to you. >> jamie: great concern about that, leland vittert, live in jerusalem. thank you very much and coming up in our next hour for you, we'll have more on both sides of this debate, and, it is heated. first we'll speak to former israeli ambassador to the united nations dan gillerman and maen rasheed areikat will also join us hiv.
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>> eric: now, iran where mahmoud ahmadinejad is returning, but, is he in trouble? he used his u.n. appearance to slam the u.s. as usual. from claiming that we control the world, basically. to our killing usama bin laden in his view, to cover up 9/11. the u.s. responded by saying, he started despicable conspiracy theorys and is reaching out to americans, setting up a hotline, like one between washington and moscow during the cold war. >> >> translator: we have always announced and maintained that freedom, fairness and justice, the right to choose and mutual respect is the right of all natis. >> eric: joining us as he always does, sunday mornings is fox news contributor and a former u.n. ambassador to the united
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nations, john bolton. good morning. >> good morning, glad to be here. >> eric: do you think mahmoud ahmadinejad is on the ropes. >> i don't think so, but there is an internal power struggle going on between mahmoud ahmadinejad supporters and, the religious leaders on the other side, who think mahmoud ahmadinejad has gotten too big for his britches. this is not really an ideological conflict, so much as it is a conflict about power, clash of personalities, and i think the west, too often, makes the mistake of seeing political antagonism in iran as a clash between hardliners and moderates and people are eager to find the moderates and this is really more a clash, if you want to make it ideological, between hard line hard-liners and moderate hardliners and there is not much here for us to get excited about. >> eric: during the speech, he calls us the great satan and inferred that the u.s. was involved, in 9/11, just as he did last year.
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yet, wants the hotline. what type of strategy is he carrying out, trying to have both sides of the fence? >> well, it is not always the best course to assume that mahmoud ahmadinejad is being entirely logical in what i will call the western sense of that word. but, it is possible on the hotline, what he has in mind, is a mechanism that he thinks will enhance iran's prestige, after all, how many countries does the u.s. have that kind of hotline with? i think this is part of his charm offensive, hard to use that phrase when he's also accusing us of masterminding the 9/11 attacks. but, again, in his rather strange way i think this is a signal as well, to us, as inside iran, to try and enhance his position, in the political in fighting that is going on there. >> eric: during a speech at the u.n. he criticized the holocaust and gave the continued litany of issues and they started walking out, this american delegation started and then france was number 2 and in all, 30
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delegations walked out. but, look, there are 193 nations, that leaves, what, 160, potential, still sitting there and he was applauded when he finished. do you see a change in tone at the united nations, when he comes? >> no, and i don't think that the day of his speech or the reaction of the delegations there was a bad day for the u.n. or that represents an aberration or a problem that can be fixed, so the u.n. can get back to the good old days. this is the u.n. in operation. this is the way it works, and i think prime minister netanyahu summed it up very well when he gave his speech, noting 30-some delegations had walked out and basically said, all of you should have walked out. and that is right. the one silver lining in this cloud is that, yet again, people here in the states, and in the western world, get to see mahmoud ahmadinejad with the bark off and should remind all of us the potential implications of letting somebody like this get his finger on the nuclear weapon button. >> eric: and talking about the
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potential implication and iaea, the u.n. so-called nuclear watchdog now apparently predicts they could have a nuclear bomb within 6 months. do you agree and concur? >> yes. independent calculations show they could enrich the low enriched uranium they have into a weapons-grade amount within about two months and the weaponization process which has been continuing despite purported intelligence estimates to the contrary, are putting them very close. their delivery system remains in question and i don't know if they have the ballistic missile capability yet but the big fear here has always been they could take a nuclear device and give it to a terrorist group and put it in a box car and on a transsteamer and sail it into a major harbor like new york and don't need ballistic missiles, necessarily to deliver the weapon. >> eric: and are enriching uranium in defiance of the u.n. security council resolution to an amount, they say, greater
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than is needed for electricity, ambassador john bolton, thanks for your words of caution, as always, and warnings. >> thank you. >> jamie: president obama is selling his plan to create jobs and trim the federal deficit but the proposal includes tax hikes, for the rich. does it have a chance of getting through congress? a one-on-one with the president's senior advisor is straight ahead. >> dave: and a gunman opening fire near a school. sending parents and children running for cover. listen to this: we'll have the dramatic story, next. accept it. you can't change the way banking works. just accept it, man. free ? doesn't close at five ? try nature. it's a bank. what do you want, a hug ? just accept it. hidden fees, fine print, or they'll stick it to you some other way. stay with the herd, son. accept it. just accept it. accept it. just accept it. accept it. if we miss this movie, you're dead.
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>> jamie: police in washington state killing an armed man who opened fire near a high school. the shootout with the gunman heard on the amateur video. you have to see to it believe it. >> a shootout... [gunfire]. >> jamie: unbelievable. sounds like a movie set, the man reportedly carrying two guns and witnesses say he began shooting wildly, sending dozens of people that were attending the sporting event running for safety and officers say they had no choice
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but to shoot back because he refused to drop his weapons and fortunately, no one besides the gunman was killed or injured. >> jamie: president obama is barn storming the country, talking up his plan to try and boost jobs and cut the deficit. can we get it through congress? fox news sunday anchor chris wallace sat down with david plouffe, senior white house advisor to the president who defended the plan for the wealthiest americans to pay more in taxes. >> his plan would give the average middle class person a $1500 tax cut and cut taxes for every small business owner and all we're talking about here is people at the upper income spectrum and the president would like to lower rates for most people in america, and, make the tax code fair and get rid of loopholes and special treatment but after tax reform the ht president believes the right way to get the fiscal house in order is to ask the wealthy to pay
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their fair share. >> eric: joining us is chris wallace, anchor of fox news sunday. will the president have any opportunity to get the plan through? >> i think it is a very slim chance, probably none. let me just reassure people who heard the clip, if they watch it on the fox broadcast network this morning or 2:00 or 6:00, we go back over this issue and it is a pretty -- i would really commend it to you i think it is a good, tough interview, and we go through the fair share, because, i point out to them, the top 1%, of income earners in the country, pay 38% of all income taxes, the top 10% pay 70% of all income taxes, so, what is a fair share? we talk about that. we talk about taxes, we talk about the president's saying that he wasn't going to rely on budget gimmicks and gets a
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trillion dollars by not spending money on the wars in iraq and afghanistan that he was already planning to end. and it is a pretty interesting interview and i commend it to people to watch and in terms of it getting through congress, i think that this version of it has no chance at all. the idea of limiting the deductions for the high income people to 28%, not their top tax rate and that was rejected by a democratic congress when the president wanted to use it to pay for obamacare and of course the idea of letting the bush tax cuts expire, that is just an article of faith, that the republicans won't go for that and the idea that this is the solution for the super committee this year, is a nonstarter and maybe an opening negotiating position, but it isn't going to be this deal. >> eric: quickly, what is the response when you raise those figures, the top 10% paying 70% of all the taxes? >> well his response was, well, you can use the numbers to manipulate them to say anything and went onto say, how many, the buffett rule, how many high
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income people pay less than their secretaries. well, again, if you look at those numbers, that is simply not true. the top income earners pay the highest effective tax rate in this country by a wide margin. >> eric: looking forward to it. it's a confusing and very detailed issue and you can watch the entire interview with chris wallace, and senior white house advisor david plouffe, talking about taxes, jobs, the deficit, everything that affects all of us. and also welcomes lindsey graham from the senate armed services committee. fox news sunday, will have it all, tonight at 6:00 p.m., right here, on the fox news channel. jamie? >> jamie: it was a homecoming, two years in the making. two hikers ha have been held in iran, they are finally heading back home to the united states. the latest on the return, we'll have a live report, straight ahead, what happiness. and the n.y.p.d. is cracking down on wall street protesters, but did they go too far?
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>> eric: top stories we're following for you. pope benedict xvi wrapping up his visit to his native germany, and, his catholic teams are under fire and many left the church over a sex scandal and 100,000 people turned out for the pope's final mass of his historic trip. bull fighting may be a tradition but, believe or it not, tonight marks the very last bull fighting events in cat lone na, spain. the city banned the tradition after a massive campaign by animal rights activists. and halfway through the trip from cuba to florida, on the swimming marathon, she was sting by jelly fish but the 62-year-old is still going and hopes to finish the trek by tomorrow morning. >> jamie: now we're awaiting the
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arrival of two american hikers jailed in iran for more than two years. take a live look at jfk airport in new york where josh fattal and shane bauer will touch down in a couple hours from now, both men arrested in 2009 along with a third hiker, sarah shourd, all accused of spying and jenna lee is live in new york with the story and you are following it all day. what is the latest? >> inspirational video to watch there. the family is so excited when they landed in amman, but we have to remember they returned home, charged and convicted and sentenced for crossing the border illegally as well as spyingn iran and, just for context, here, these two men were held longer than the hostages in the iranian hostage crisis in the 1980s and tells you how long they have been behind bars. they were released nearly a year to the day of sarah shourd, the woman hiker with them, at the time and i spoke to her last september, a few days after her release and asked her what it was like inside the prison, the
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infamous prison in iran and she talked to me a little bit about the solitary confinement and lack of communication and of no contact with the lawyer and long interrogations and recently shared a story with me about a beating that they both experienced, and keep in mind, you really don't know what happened to them inside the prison over the last two years and keep in mind when you listen to what josh has to say, about his first day after his release. >> just hours after we left prison, we were able to swim in the calm waters of the gulf, we stayed up all night, with our loved ones, and watched the most beautiful sunset we have ever seen and these experiences will be with us for the rest of our lives. >> reporter: after more than 780 days behind bars, the swim probably felt good. >> jamie: i imagine. but still questions as to why they were hiking in the first place on the border of iran, believed to be they made, they
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say, that he accidental crossing. what do we know about that at this point? >> reporter: it is interesting, this morning, as you visit the web site, the question is on the top, after the announcement of their release, and, i spoke with sarah about what exactly she was doing there, remember, sarah and shane bauer were working as aid workers in syria and were around the area and decided to go to the area in northern iraq and go hiking and they were following local directions and there wasn't any sign on the trail, so there is still a question, and, they quite frankly don't know whether or not they crossed the border and if they did they broke the law and complicating it, shane bauer, the right of the photo, right there, he's is a journalist, and a suspicious career for a regime like iran and that is something to keep in mind, despite the fact they were young americans and i asked sarah if she was set up by the people in the area and she says she'll never know and there is a bigger question, too, maybe we should ask today as well, about what the experiences tell us about our relationship with iran and remember, we have no
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diplomatic relationship and if any of our people are taken like these three were, we don't send anyone into get them and it gives us perspective of again our relationship with the country and the middle east, as we know, building a large nuclear arms arsenal, right now. >> jamie: certainly a delicate relationship, and, it is wonderful to see them home. they'll be much -- there will be much more coverage later today. thanks. >> thanks, jamie. >> eric: a major curve ball in the appeals trial of american student amanda knox, prosecutors now asking the court to actually increase her sentence to life in prison. she and a co-defendant had been convicted of killing her former roommate in 2007, both though maintained their innocence, since the very beginning. and the defense team is appealing her conviction and focused on questionable dna evidence, and begin presenting her side this week. >> jamie: new york police arresting 80 protesters near the
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new york stock exchange in lower manhattan. >> freedom! freedom! >> jamie: the demonstrators clearly did not go quietly. they say they were protesting bank bailouts and the mortgage crisises. police attempting to corral them using orange netting. but, at times the face off turned really ugly. look at some amateur video, appears to show an officer using pepper spray on women already cordoned off. you can see, an arm reaching out to the point the women -- the points they came at the women and the spray shooting into the crowd and a spokesperson called the police response exceedingly violent. those are their words. and a police spokesman had no comments about the videos or the arrests. eric? >> eric: serious questions surfacing about the bankrupt solar panel maker, solyndra and
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they are trying to get answers about the half a billion dollar loan guarantee of taxpayer money. that the private company received, from us. those executives repeatedly invoked the 5th amendment, which is their constitutional right. not to incriminate themselves. >> i want to ask mr. harrison if he thinks the american people who have invested over half a billion dollars, deserve to know what happened to that money? >> on the advice of my counsel, i invoke the privilege afforded to me by the 5th amendment of the constitution. >> on the advice of my counsel i invoke the privilege afforded by the 5th amendment to the u.s. constitution. >> what is your plan to pay back the taxpayers $535 million you owe them. >> on the advice of counsel, i invoke the privilege afforded to me by the 5th amendment of the u.s. constitution. >> on the advice of my counsel, i invoke the privilege afforded by the 5th amendment to the u.s. constitution. >> would you be willing to
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provide to this committee, communications between yourselves or your senior executives, with members of the west wing of the white house? >> on the advice of my counsel i invoke the privilege afforded to me by the 5th amendment of the united states constitution. >> on the advice of my counsel, i invoke the privilege afforded by the 5th amendment to the u.s. constitution, respectfully decline to answer any questionses. >> eric: one of the congressmen there, phil gingrey of the energy and house committee joins us this morning. good morning, congressman. >> good morning, eric. >> eric: what have your reaction when they took the 5th? >> we expected that. even though less than a month ago they said they would come, gladly, any time, anyplace, and testify to the committee, without pleading the 5th and would answer any questions and within just a two-week period of time, obviously, reneged on that, because i'm sure some of the things they would have said, under sworn oath, would in deed have incriminated them, so, they
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took their constitutional rights to not incriminate themselves and they were not surprised at all but very disappointed in their lack of truthfulness. >> eric: do you believe by doing that, incriminating them, they or solyndra committed illegal acts. >> without question, i'm holding the chronology of e-mails, 50 e-mails, that went back and forth between the company and the department of energy, omb and the white house, and it starts back in august of 2006 when they first applied for the loan, well, it was a different loan program, at that time, but, finally, 9/08/2011, this month, indeed when the fbi raided the corporate headquarters. so, this thing stinks from start to finish. and we really need to get to the bottom of it. >> eric: and do you think the potential illegal acts, could they reach into the white house? >> well, air rake, thank you for
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asking me that. because it really does become a question of who knew what and when did they know it. indeed. and, we are going to connect these dots, we are far from over, these executives, of course, pled the 5th. but i don't think folks -- and we've already interviewed people involved in the loan program, this loan program, in the department of energy, and, of course, omb and their contacts with vice president biden's office, and, valerie jarrett and others, and we're going to find out if there was any sweet heart deal, for solyndra because the gentleman, kaiser, already invested a billion dollars in the start-up company and bundled money for president obama during the 2008 elections, so, you know, it doesn't really pass the smell test, if they can give us information, that satisfies not just the committee members, but the taxpayer, that everything
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was done properly, then, so be it. but, i would say that these e-mails that we have got already, would suggest that there is no way that can pass the smell test. >> eric: does the committee intend to call mr. kaiser? who had 16 contacts with the white house? >> absolutely. >> eric: i'm sorry. go ahead. >> absolutely. absolutely. we will do that. and we are going to follow this until we finally get the answers, this is $500 billion of taxpayer money, it is gone. it is absolutely gone. and, i highlighted a number of these e-mails but in this clip i know we don't have time to go over it, but, there were a number of issues, where e-mails from the people involved in the loan program at department of energy, said, you know, don't be rushing us like this in the future. we know that you've got a press events set up in torrence, california where the company is located and vice president biden wants to do a satellite interview and we want to set up
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a press cop truant for the president later on, in the year. and, so we need get this out the door, basically, they said to the white house, don't be forcing things like this on us until we have completed our due diligence and indeed the bush administration, same people, had said, you know, this company is burning money, they don't have the financials, the liquidity and we're going to back away from solyndra and after president obama was inaugurated the whole process started over, but, indeed, it started on a fast track so they could get this as they say, out the door. >> eric: let's see what happens and it cost us $535 billion. and, as you promise, we'll try and call mr. kaiser and see if he testifies... >> this program cost $500 million, but, there are billions of dollars involved in the program, eric and you are absolutely right, this is not just chump change. >> eric: we'll see what he says, i'm sorry, i misspoke, with
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>> jamie: welcome back, everybody, the tension between the u.s. and pakistan is really growing. pakistani military commanders are in fact holding a special meeting today over allegations that their spy agency helped insurgents attack american targets in afghanistan. and, all of this is happening as pakistan warns the united states against sending any ground
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troops into their country to fight militants. joining us now, fox news's military analyst and retired u.s. navy captain, chuck nash, captain, great to see you, good morning. >> nice to be back with you, jamie. >> jamie: they are having the meeting today and u.s. officials are sure they played a role in attacks that happened on u.s. interests. how strange are our relationships with pakistani officials, and, also, their intelligence sources. >> probably worse than they have been a long time, maybe ever. it is really tough right now, because, if you look at it, secretary of defense panetta, our ambassador to islamabad, and, most recently, the chairman of the joint chiefs, have all directly accused the pakistanis of being involved in the attacks that have occurred recently, in afghanistan, much like the indians did, on the attacks in mumbai. now, different groups were used but it appears that cell phone and forensic evidence after the attacks had led directly back to
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the isi, which you point out, is a branch of the pakistani military. >> jamie: in the meantime, though, the government of pakistan insists they severed all ties with militants after 9/11. are they looking into it, at least? >> well, i think this is such a difficult situation, there probably is a segment of the pakistani government that may be deluded into thinking that this break took place. but, i think, in the main, the isi is very much involved with the haqqani network to the west and northwest and, to kashmir because they use the ex-warlords, now, gangster/militias, as soldiers, footsoldiers in a proxy war so they are not going to give this up. the united states used the haqqani network baugh the isi when the soviets were in afghan.
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so, these guys have a... support themselves with everything from real estate and car sales to murders and kidnapping for hire. so... >> jamie: they have a strong foothold. >> absolutely. >> jamie: and we are in a bit of a bind, aren't we? we need to get or supplies to afghanistan, through pakistan, very often, and, how fine a line are we working with here and what if we had to send troops into pakistan? sounds like they will not have it. >> jamie, you are defining what really is the problem. we need the pakistani government. the pakistani government doesn't want us kicking that hornet's nest, the whole section of the country, that is run, taxed and controlled by the haqqani network, because if we do the haqqani network will turn on the pakistani government to get us off their backs. so, this thing really is a mess and is not a clean situation at all and is very very, teen news.
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>> jamie: quick prediction, will our troops have to enter? >> i think we will, we're going to have to start whacking these guys. because, part of what we're saying is, these guys are doing this, because they are losing the main thrust which is their political leverage with the taliban for -- to be part of a future government in afghanistan. well, if that is the case, keep the press on and keep killing them and if not you better be careful or the pin gets pulled from the grenade. >> jamie: no one could have put it like that. captain chuck nash, thank you so much, great perspective, always good to see you. >> nice being with you, jamie. >> eric: students in california, serving up a heap of controversy. a bake sale, simple enough, happens all the time at our schools and get this: the price of the cookies, all depends on your race. what is behind that? and, folks on the water front in milwaukee got quite a show over brunch yesterday. look at the twisters, touching down over the water.
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an ethnicity in the admissions process. >> the structure we have is what is getting the attention, you are charging different rates and different prices for baked goods and that is wrong. and, that is our point. it is wrong to judge people by the color of their skin. >> the racial issues reduced down to cookies, i think -- i think they could have done it in a more sensitive manner. >> in a community such as berkeley, being liberal... >> i don't know if actually, using pricing for differente ethnicities is a good tactic. >> reporter: she says the student government will hold a committeeing in response to the controversy and this is where the meeting will be held and will be open to the public and one thing this 20-member senate could take up, whether or not to revoke the sponsorship of the college republicans. and says in order to receive student government funding, all campus clubs must follow certain rules. >> one of them says that we do
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not sponsor student groups that discriminate on the basis of race, ethnicity, gender. >> reporter: the sale is scheduled to happen tuesday afternoon. and, other student organizations have already planned to counter demonstrations to the event. >> reporting from ktvu, channel 2 in oakland. >> jamie: details coming in on a plane crash that took place overnight, two americans among those killed, as the sight-seeing plane headed to mt. everest, we have more on that and a brand new plan to restart peace talks in the middle east. but, are both sides even willing to come to the table? we're going to hear from both the former israeli ambassador and a delegate to the plo, live, here on fox. >> building our robust clean energy sector is how paefpaef i habe a cohd. yeah, i toog nyguil bud i'm stild stubbed up. [ male announcer ] truth is, nyquil doesn't un-stuff your nose. really?
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. a call for act president obama urging african-american lawmakers, members of the congressional black caucus to what he says, put on their marching shoes and push for his jobs plan. good morning welcome to a new ur of america's news headquarters. >> the president speaking last night before the congressional black caucus. taking on criticism over white house concessions to republicans. this morning his comments are prompting a flurry of response. steve centanni is live in washington with more. >> reporter: good morning. president obama busy trying to appease his base, as he
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adopting a new combative approach and heads west to fill his campaign coffers. he took off this morning for campaign fundraisers and he agents on the west coast. he:selling his plan and making a point he's helping the middle class by asking with higher incomes to pay their fair share. he tried rally an important part of his base last night. as you mentioned the congressional black caucus. >> the president: takeoff your bedroom slippers, put on your marching shoes, shake it off, stop complaining, symptom grumbling, stop crying, we are going to press on, we have work to do. >> reporter: the answer to the grumbling he's been hearing from blacks and other democrats for yielding too much to republicans during the budget battle. meantime, republican critics say the president has not gone enough to fix the economy and create jobs and pointed to an
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event he held at an aging bridge. >> their approach after being beat is go to ohio and kentucky and give a speech about a bridge and declare class warfare as their strategy in terms of solveing the economy. every problem that he inherited is much worse. higher unemployment, more debt, higher gas prices. >> reporter: and the president holds a roundtable on jobs on the economy tomorrow in silicon valley, part of his west coast swing. >> jamie: steve, thanks. >> the president's billion dollar jobs cut act may be taking a backseat to a budget fight creating a major roadblock on capitol hill. republicans and democrats at odds over a minor budget issue and their inablility to compromise is fueling new concerns over their ability to tackle the bigger issues. what is next? doug schoen and karen
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hanretty. welcome. doug, they are arguing over 175 million dollar fund for fema. if they can't agree on that, how are they going to deal with the budget, the crisis and everything else they have to deal with? >> i couldn't agree more. i think after the debt ceiling debacle if someone said we would be in the same pickle within a couple months fighting over possible closure of the government over relatively small sums of money. most of us would have laughed. that's where we are. no movement on-the-jobs bill. we don't know where the areas after agreement are. on the budget, the super committee, again wide differences between the two parties and no possibility yet for the broad based deal i think we need. >> what is going to change this? >> leadership. from the congressional leadership and the president and so far, we haven't seen it. i'm very pessimistic. >> you are not the only one who is pessimistic.
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karen the polls show americans are out of patience. one poll isster says not only are lawmakers gloomy, but a -- a lot of us are too. >> doug is correct. nothing big is going to happen between the 2012 election. we have a president now who has put out a jobs bill that was not designed to create consensus among the the two parties. i don't think his jobs bill could get enough votes in the democrat-controlled senate or even enough democrats in congress frankly to pass the bill. so, you can almost take that off the table there is not going to be any major jobs legislation. this bickering over the continuing resolution for the budget is absurd on both sides. what republicans are asking by cutting some of these green jobs initiatives is certainly relevant and reasonable. the last thing i think americans want right now is to
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see this gamesmanship over shutting down the government. it is not going to happen. if they could maintain status quo now that would be the best we could get. >> that isn't great. >> no, it is not. >> americans are just revolted by what is happening in washington. congressional job approval, 12%. doug, that is going south. >> i'd like to meet the 12% who do approve. it is predict will you. karen has been a good friend of mine, an adversary occasionally. basically, we agree that this current -- current circumstance are unsustainable. people in washington have yet to put aside their partisan differents to try to of the huge problems that are affecting our nation. affecting consumer confidence, the markets. unless we do it, we all suffer. >> what does it need? does it need presidential
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leadership, congressional leadership? >> i suspect karen would agree. the president should call the congressional leadership, democratic and republican to the white house and say, we have a national crisis. we must deal with it. we must deal with the short term and the long term issues. i'm going to lock the door and throw away the key until we have a framework for an agreement. >> that could happen and result in something? >> doug f that happens you would not see members -- members of any leadership for the next year and half. what you have right now is a fundamental difference in viewpoint. you have a president who believes you need to raise taxes as a matter of fairness. and you've got a republican majority in the house that believes tax rates should be raised or lowered as a phaoepblgs to increased -- as a means to increased economic prosperity. i don't think there's compromise on those two view points. we dog muddle along for the
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next 14 -- we are going to mud al long for the next 14 months. and the next president of the united states is going to have as great a burden to shoulder as president obama did when he was elected in 2008. >> i suspect karen is right. i fear for the consequences. as an american first and partisan second, i worry that the impact what she is describing probably all too accurately, will be continued financial instability if the markets and for consumers. >> doug schoen, well said. doug maybe we should take up your idea, lock 'em in a room. >> it couldn't get any worse. >> that's right. >> doug and karen. >> thanks. >> thanks. renewed tensions in the mideast. israel's foreign minister saying he would like his government to support an international peace proposal to restart talks with the palestinians. his comments after leaders from both sides addressed the united nations this week with
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the palestinians making a formal bid for statehood. the issue of israeli settlements remaining a major obstacle. >> the core issue is that the israeli government refuses to commit to terms for the negotiations that based on international law. and u.n. resolutions. and it continues to intensify building settlements on the territory of the state of the future state of palestine. >> settlements have to be -- it is an issue that has to be addressed and re ed in the course of negotiations. the core of the conflict -- conflict has always been and unfortunately, remains the refuseal of the palestinians to recognize a jewish state in any border. >> jamie: joining us fox news contributor dan gillerman. good morning.
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>> you heard from both sides and was there. your thoughts on whether the two sides are so far apart that starting peace negotiation is out of the question? >> well, i was there and listened to the speeches carefully if you listen, you may think the two sides are pretty far apart. but they are not really. both sides and both leaders know exactly what the end game is going to look like. i very much hope that now that they've all talked the talk and we've heard so much talk from the president of the united states, prime minister of israel, president of the palestinian authority and others. now that they've all talked the talk, they can actually walk the walk. because i think this last week in new york, should bring an end to speech-making and bring about peace-making that can be done. the quartet statement enables it. the quartet has decided to have an international
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conference, peace conference in moscow. and has laid down very clear parameters for those talks, including a deadline they should be concluded by the end of 2012. i agree with that. i believe our government agrees with that we are ready to to negotiate today. stop talking to the cameras and talk to each other. stop talking at each other. and talk to each other. prime minister netanyahu on the very stage, 10 minutes after mahmoud abbas made his very militant speech said look we are in the same building, in the same city, why do we have to make speeches? let's sit down and talk. israel is eager to negotiate. is willing to make very far-reaching and painful concessions. we need a partner on other side. i hope the palestinians now that they've tabled their request for statehood, we proved they can be a state and resume negotiations with israel. >> part of being a state should be able to reach across
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and work out some sort of peace dream. mahmoud abbas returned to a heroes -- welcome. he's not committed to participating in either what the quartet proposes or what netanyahu says the government wants. how do we encourage them to to the table if the palestinian people don't seem to be in favor of it? >> well, i don't understand that hero's welcome. although, you must know in the arab world in general, the palestinians no way excluded few of these welcomes are spontaneous. these people are told to go there. this is well orchestrated. at the same time work is the women come about? abbas came and made a speech, presented a piece of paper. the palestinians woke up the next morning and realized nothing has changed. if they want their rife to really change if they want to have the -- their life to change. if they want to have a state,
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they should sit down with israel we are doomed, destined to share that piece of land together and negotiate a settlement. as i said before, the only way to do it is discreetly, quietly, behind closed doors. not publicly. the speeches are over. the cameras are off, fox will always find the right angle to cover it. the parties should get in the room and thrash out their differences. in the end, two, three years ago, all the major points and all the core issues have been agreed upon. there is no time to stall any longer. james jim how significant should the -- >> jamie: how significant should or could the concessions be and what would israel respect or demand from the palestinians in exchange, where settlements are concerned? >> i've said before, settlements are not the issue. the problem is not the settlements. the problem is the settlement. once there is a settlement.
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the question of the problems will be -- of the settlements will be solved. but, what israel will make, whatever concessions israel will make, will be painful and very dangerous. anybody who can look at a map will realize how small israel is. how narrow its shoulders are. how at one point they stretched from ground zero to columbia university, that's israel. that's the width of israel. our first concern must be our security. whatever concessions we make will relate directly to the life of every israeli. the palestinianses not making concessions. the palestinians are giving us peace. they are not just giving it to us, they are giving it to themselves. it will be good for them, for us. for us to agree we must know that we can live in peace and security in a very small country in a very volatile region, which is undergoing great earthquakes and aftershocks. especially in view in what we
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are seeing in what is called the arab spring, turned into a hot winter and could turn out to be the winter of our discontent. israel must be careful. but it is willing to take the risk for real peace. we need a partner who is which willing to do the same. >> jamie: ambassador gillerman great to get your thoughts. perhaps peace will come now finally. >> inshallah, thank you very much. >> jamie: thank you. >> later this hour, the palestinian point of view. we'll speak to the chief representative of the general delegation of the. >> lake okeechobee to the. -- new developments this morning from the frontlines in libya, nato bombers are helping out the rebels on this sunday morning. they are bombarding muammar gadhafi hometown of sirte. fighting rains on -- rages on,
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life in other areas getting back to normal. david? >> reporter: hi, despite an ongoing fight elsewhere in the country the capital tripoli has been peaceful since the rebels took it over a month ago. the u.s. embassy has been reopened after being attacked, during gadhafi's rule. new start for u.s.-libyan relations. the temporary embassy in libya is the ambassador's official residence after gadhafi rethugs burned the last one down. he's pleasantly surprised after being forced to leave. >> i think to be back and experience talking to libyans on the street, i've only been back for 24 hours and i had so many say i don't want to eat, i don't want to drink, i just want to feel free.
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>> reporter: people are expressing their freedom in different ways. people flock daily to the renamed martyr square where gadhafi used to stage his rallies. good business to be had in selling rebel memorabilia. there's been some grim news today in tripoli. libyan authorities have announced they found a mass grave of over 1200 people. it is believed to be a grave containing inmates from a prison in tripoli. they were killed during a protest in 1996. >> david piper, live in tripoli. gadhafi still not accounted for. a hell's angel leader was killed in a nevada shootout. why police are declaring a state of emergency in that area. >> a gop candidate you probably didn't know about, previously. former new mexico governor gary johnson joins us on his first debate appearance this week.
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there's a state of emergency in nevada after a casino shootout leaves the leader of the hell's angels dead. jeffrey pettigrew was 51-years-old, a leader from san jose. cops say gunfire erupted after a fight between the two gangs. police are worried about potential retaliatory attacks. there's already been a drive-by shooting in the area. there was a weekend motorcycle festival running for 18 years that was cancelled over the concerns after the shooting. >> jamie: i bet you heard that social security is running dry according to the government. without changes to the system it will burn through its cash. if you want to make sure you
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don't get caught behind the eight ball. in today's take charge consumer protection segment, what you can do now to get the most out of social security later. good to see you jen nell, thanks for coming in. >> thanks for having me. >> you went through and figured out how folks can collect not own the right time, but the right amount. tell us how? >> definitely, the social security administration rewards people whoc. [ unintelligible ] if you are in good health and you can wait until age 70 that will be the best way to maximize your benefits. you get a boost of 8% a year for each year that you waive beyond your retirement need normally 66. >> 8% is 8%, we'll take it. what if you are married and your spouse decides they want to collect at an earlier age and you can wait until 70. can they still collect early? t the good thing is if you are
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married and you want to wait for the higher benefits, beyond your retirement age, you don't have to go with that income. the spouse can start collecting spousal benefits while the husband or wife is waiting until age 70. >> jamie: you are not penalized if your spouse collects early? >> correct. >> >> jamie: can you still work and collect at the same time? >> yes. if you make -- let's say you start collecting at age 62, the earliest you can collect. and you are working, you can reduce your benefits by going back to work. the good news is that by taking those benefits early, you are reducing your benefits any way if you go back to work you can get a fuller been fit close to retirement age. >> the best thing is wait as long as you can. i read in your article, had you written about this, and i stumbled across it, you can collect unemployment at the same time you are collecting
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social security? >> yeah, isn't that weird. you can be unemployed and retired at the same time. it is perfectly legal. you have to make sure that you report your income to both agencies. the social security program will not penalize you for collecting unemployment. but the reverse is not always true. some states they will reduce your unemployment benefits if you are collecting social security. >> jamie: nevertheless, you may have found some extra income for folks. as you have paid all that men in, this is a big concern for people, especially the younger set, is there anything they can do to tap into that social security money? >> well, i think that's what congress is tackling now. obviously, under their current system, you -- they should only be able to pay full benefits until 2036 then after only 75% of scheduled benefits will be covered.
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as far as what i can do or your do, there is not much. they are trying to figure without adjustments can be made to the program. >> they may be able to pay 7 -- 75%, good to meet you jennelle, thank you for coming in. i hope this was helpful for you. you can always check any of our segments at foxnews.com go to the america's news headquarters page look for the link that says take charge and you can watch many of ourgd4÷ segments on a lot of issues. we appreciate your time today. >> thank you. his one-liner last night stirred a lot of attention today in minutes the late -- the latest gop contender to get attention. he will join us live coming
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>> eric: the push for palestinian stayedhood resuming tomorrow at united nations. security council meeting to discuss the controversial bid by palestinian president mahmoud abbas. there's new video. mr. abbas receiving a hero's welcome to the west bank. during his speech friday he touched on many of the longtime -- [ inaudible ] what is next? can there be acceptance of a two-state solution? joining us is ambassador rasheed erakat the chief representative of the p.l.o. to the united states. welcome. >> thank you. >> 3:00 the security council diplomats will start meeting. what do you hope comes out of
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that session tomorrow? >> what we hope and what we expect is for the united nations to expeditiously move with the palestinian request for membership at the united nations. it will ask a committee to review the request and turned over to the council or a vet. we expect that to happen within the next -- next few days. >> eric: you are not going to magically poof have a country. u.s. plans to veto that action. secretary of state clinton is calling on both sides to return to the negotiating take. >> unfortunately, we were hoping for the united states to take a different position on this issue. because to be honest with you, we are very much perplexed by the position at a time when they are supporting movements in different countries for freedom and independence. they are opposed to the palestinian move at the united nations. we have said repeatedly we are willing to return to the negotiateing table that going
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to the u.n. is not a substitute. these negotiations have to be based on clear terms of reference. clear timeframe and clear end game and total cessation of settlements. >> eric: netanyahu official says he's willing to negotiate and he a call to meet mr. abbas here in new york city. they are only a mile apart in their hotels. how come that didn't happen? >> because there netanyahu until now did not clearly say that he is committed to the terms of reference that the united states and the international community has laid down in order for these negotiations to succeed. we cannot just go to negotiation for the sake of negotiations. we have done that for 18 years. what did we get in return? half a million settlers are living in the palestinian occupied territories. we have a separation wall, closures, the palestinian people are not better off than what they used to be 18 years ago.
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if mr. netanyahu is interested in return negotiations, he has to say clearly, that he is committed to the terms of reference for these negotiations. >> eric: he told our greta van susteren friday that he stopped stems before and it didn't do -- stopped settlements before and it didn't do any good. >> they put in a precondition they never put in for a teen years. all of a study came in they abandoned it. i nearly tproedz it for a -- i nearly froze it for a year, 10 months, they still didn't come. >> eric: he said it is kind of a red herring. would you still come? >> this is not true. the palestinians have always insisted that israel ceases its settlement activities. the fact today israel is trying to turn palestinian
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into israeli neighborhoods is very alarming. their request for israel to cease settlement activities an obligation that israel accepted under the road map and oslo accord. or did not. he has to meet his obligations and he has failed to do so. >> eric: if they stop again, would you then sit down with them? >> we did say clearly, if i can say that he recognizes the palestinian state, based on the 1967 borders with agreed swaps and total cessation of settlement activities the palestinian leaders have said clearly we are willing to engage the israelis as long as that will be based on terms of reference and clear timeframe. >> eric: he says you must recognize a jewish state. will you recognize a jewish state? >> we recognizedl-%jy israel in 1993 when we exchanged the
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letters of mutual recognition the p.l.o. recognized israel in '96, '98. as far as we are concerned, israel is still identified at the united nations as the state of israel. >> eric: as a jewish state, sir? >> as a jewish state we say repeatedly this will undermine the rights of the palestinian minority living inside israel, 1.4 million palestinians who hold israeli citizenship. it will try to determine the fate and future of palestinian refugees before we get engaged in negotiations. >> eric: if you cone want to recognize it as a jewish state and he has conces about the $67 lines, what gives? how do you stone --'s 67 lines, what gives? how do you stop this ring around the rosie? they are talking about trying to have this within a year. >> understand that sir. we have been involved in a process that did not produce
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any peace agreements. we need to get engaged in substantive process whereby all parties, respect and adhere totters of reference and work together to -- israel today is only trying to gain time to try to impose more facts on the ground to the creation of the palestinian state and kill the option of the two-state solution by continuing with their status quo in the occupied palestinian territories. the palestinians, by going to the united nations are trying to change this political dynamics. this political paradigm. and send a clear message to the international community that this situation cannot be sustained. the palestinians need to be free. and need to establish their independent state. >> eric: we'll be covering this, thank you sir for joining us. >> thank you very much.
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>> jamie: republican presidential hopefuls going toe-to-toe in florida thursday night. all the usual suspects took part in the debate. it featured former new mexico governor gary johnson who managed to seize some of the spotlight for himself. good to see you, how are you? >> i'm great. only in america can you land a good zinger on dog poop and end up being the most googled name on the planet. >> jamie: do you think you took a risk with that line? >> absolutely i took a risk.x- but the idea would be to actually draw attention to those things that i am saying. of course this is the case i'm trying to make. i'm promising to submit a balanced budget to congress this year 2013. jamie, there's going to be a lot of debate and discussion to go along with the balanced budget because that is cutting government by 43%.
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i'm promising to veto legislation where expenses exceed revenue. that's big. and i think that we should throw out the entire federal tax system and replace with it a consumption tax. the fair tax. which does away with income tax, does away with corporate , business tax, does away with the irs. if doing away with the corporate business tax doesn't set the stage for the creation of tens of millions of jobs in this country, i don't know what will. >> jamie: what kind of response have you gotten since your performance at this last debate? what are your lance to participate future ones -- what are your plans to participate in future ones? >> my plan, i participated in the first debate. i had no reason to believe i would not be included in all the debates. who is to say i'm going to be in the next debates. i think i'm bringing a different voice to the table. included in a 43% reduction in
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government spending is actually addressing the problems with medicaid and medicare. and actually cutting military expenses by 43%. still maintaining a strong national defense. defense being the operative word as opposed to offense. as opposed to nation-building. it is getting out of iraq and afghanistan. and getting us out of conflicts that we continue to get in we have these same needs here at home that we are borrowing and printing money to the tune of 43 cents out of every dollar to deliver to other countries. >> jamie: you are stating many of the issues that are on the minds of americans what is the one thing that you accomplished as governor of your state that you feel makes you the most qualified to be president q >> jamie, i did a good job that's the case that i want to make. -- getting online, garyjohnson 2012.com that i made a difference that i took a stand
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that more government is not better government. new mexico is a is 2-1 democrat. i get reelected in the state arguably being the most fiscally conservative in in the country by doing that i believe government should not get involved in our persol lives. i don't like legislation that criminalizes our behavior in the bedroom, if you will. let government allow us, you and i, to make decisions that only you and i, as individuals should make, not the government. >> jamie: i assume after your line, the poop line, at the debate that we'll hear from you more. and we'll learn more about you. but thank you very much for telling us your reaction to the reaction that you have been getting. always a pleasure sir. >> jamie, thanks. >> eric: the hikers have landed!
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>> eric: remember the so-called ground zero mosque? it opened this past wednesday it is called park 51. the opening has escaped the media's attention. liz trotta, author and fox news contributor joins us every sunday with her commentary. good morning. >> good morning. can you believe a year ago there were people down where the mosque is screaming and yelling. many of them relatives of people who died in the world trade center, opposing the expansion of what used to be a prayer room into a full-fledged mosque, community center, everything else. it was an international story. the man in charge at the time
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imam feisal abdul-rauf. has been pushed out of the picture. he was down there wednesday with a big photo exhibit of children from all over the world. he was quick to point out the photographs were taken by a jewish man. and that indeed, some of his best friends are jewish. let me give you an example of what the class is writing in from -- this from new york magazine. standing two blocks away from the crews work on the freedom tower it left you wondering what all that business last year was about. >> the bottom line is they won. they had a lot of help from the landmark preservation commission in new york all appointed by mayor bloomberg.
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bloomberg was open about it. he said at the time there is no neighborhood in this city off limits to god's love and mercy. he didn't apply that to the 10th anniversary ceremony at ground zero. when all clergy were not invited. why done i say prohibited. so the mayor wants it both ways. he's afraid of doing anything to offend arabs. here we have like a stealth aircraft we have this story that came in and left. and they won. >> eric: why do you think it escaped a lot of the attention of the media? >> i think they through they won. they felt they had won. and they didn't have to come out and scream and yell at fox news and other people that saw this story for what it was that it was a determined attack on what happened at the world trade center. and a kind of finger in the eye of those who thought it was a . -- was a tragedy.
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>> eric: gamal says it will have a gym, art, not an attack >> now it is multi-cultural and inclusive and we love everybody and let's hug 'em like a grizzly bear. make no mistake this mosque is no accident. i don't -- i don't say we have any proof that mr. gamal's funds from the mideast but there have been rumors to that effect. it is odd this was allowed to go forward. our hearts go out to the relatives of the people who died. >> eric: and no widely covered. >> not covered. >> eric: thanks. that does it for us. it has been a busy news day, i'm eric shawn. >> jamie: i'm jamie colby, have a great day. big win in florida for herman cain. the former ceo of godfather's pizza scored a runaway victory in that state's straw poll
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