yohealthcare --healthcare, you . president obama promised we would have lower costs. instead millions of people who have health coverage through their employers were affected like this. this kaiser study saw a 9% increase. bill: now a debate over how much of this is related to the new healthcare law. >> we know that you have young adult kids in the home, up to 26 on their parents' insurance. there is preventative medical thing that are mandatory. also the notion that i think insurance companies feel like this will and tooth and nail

battle with the administration going forward. so a lot of people are raising rates. so they are bumping in anticipation of what's coming down the road. we have more increases possibly. here is the thing. this is where the with it house made a huge mistake. the notion that insurance companies have to take 80% of the premiums and apply that to healthcare costs. here is the problem. healthcare costs continue to go up. in fact if we poured millions of people into a system that's already bogged down, can you imagine how much healthcare costs will go up. i have got to tell you i think healthcare costs are going to go through the roof. bill: the study came through the kaiser. they are say 1% to 2% of the

increase can be because of the new healthcare regulations. see you tomorrow, chuck. martha: the appeal to the healthcare law has been officially filed with the supreme court. that sets up showdown over whether the feds can force people to buy health insurance. it's the mandate. the white house says it will not seek a review of the ruling. that means it will go up to the highest court in the land. now we'll have the question, are american overinsured and how much does that feed into th the increase we are seeing?

bill: there have been numerous developments the past 24 hours. chris christie says he definitely kind of won't be running for president. sarah palin told gretta the deadline getting on the ballot only weeks away, she has to make her decision soon. >> the decision would have to be made in an expedient manner. through my process of decision making with my family and my close friend as to whether i should throw my name in the hat for the gop mom nation or not for 2012. >> do you think you can win? >> i do. i wouldn't have gone this far in my thinking had i not had the confidence to believe americans are ready for somebody out of the box. bill: palin explained why she

may not run. saying a title that would prevent her from calling things as she sees them. martha: north carolina senator bev purdue backtracking from comments that raised a lot of eyebrows. the answer to the jobs crisis would be to us extend congressional elections for a couple of years, then focus on getting results. you can imagine republican were howling at that idea. governor purdue's office says it was hyperbole to highlight a serious problem. bill: every morning when you wake up in the foxnews.com, click on the elections headquarters tab to get all the

information. martha: good thing to check out. how about this? speaking from the grave. michael jackson in his own word just weeks before his death. prosecutors played this unbelievable eerie recording in court to prove that michael jackson died at the hands of his own doctor. listen to michael jackson shortly before he died.

martha: he was so completely out of it. adam housley was in the courtroom yesterday when they played that. dramatic evidence in this. what do you think was accomplished by the prosecution yesterday, adam? >> it was eerie. not on inside the courtroom but outside. people watching the trial on their ipads and smartphones captivated the area. what the prosecution did was put a strong argument into their case, dr. murray should have known michael jackson wasn't handling the drugs well. when the prosecution asserted dr. murray tried to hide evidence once he realized michael jackson had died. take a listen. >> getting this message that shows up on his phone. williams called murray back immediately and is told to get

here right away, mr. jackson had a bad reaction. conrad murray grabbed vials from the night stand and drops tm in the bag. >> it's basically the prosecution's assertion that the doctored should know michael jackson had a problem with these drugs. martha: what is the defense's argument to all of that, adam? >> reporter: i was in court when the defense gave this argument. i was behind the jackson family. when this was played, janet jackson laid back in her seat and had a deep high. >> michael jackson self-administered a dose of

propofol that created a perfect storm in his body that killed him instantly. >> reporter: the defense saying they believe michael jackson was getting drugs from other doctors. and conrad murray didn't know about that. the jackson family not happy with that part of the opening statement. it will be interesting to see how this all plays out. martha: the doctor was on a big retainer and spent a lot of time with him in that room. as soon as it gets back in session you can watch the whole trial streaming live on foxnews.com. it gets way at 11:30 eastern time. that's 8:30 a.m. it gets

underwear on the east coast. bill: iran is make waves. saying it plans to lawn much warships into u.s. waters. martha: the donald jons us as his new role as a gate keep for these candidates. bill: some are literally begging him to run. but will chris christie change this mind? >> we need you. your country needs to you run for president. bill: more on what he says to answer that question. and what does that say about the other candidates already out there? here's the idea...

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is not running for the white house in 2012. but others say he was kind of-sort of in answer mode at the reagan library. >> the image of the united states is not what it was, it is not what it can be and not what it needs to be. this country pays a price whenever this country fails to deliver. like ronald reagan i belie in what this country and its citizens can accomplish if they understand what is being asked of them and how we all benefit if they meet the challenge. bill: that speh with us very well received as you can only imagine. steven hayes a senior writer at "the weekly standard," is he a great republican flirt or are we moving on. >> it sounds like a campaign

speech but that don't mean it was a campaign speech. it was funny monitoring twitter. some headlines said chris christie leaves the door open. chris christie loning towards getting in the race. others saying chris christie rules out a run for the white house. he's basically the rorschach test for republicans right now. it depend on whether you want to see him get in the race. bill: what does it say about how republicans feel about the current field? >> i believe there is some dissatisfaction about the current republican field. i think herman cain had a strong message and that's part of the reason he won. but there is no question there is dissatisfaction with the current field. and there has been this timing for chris christie and other candidates before him. bill: does it suggest a feeling

of desperation? >> certainly the woman who asked the question last night sound desperate. practically begging chris christie to get in the race, saying the country needs him. that's the sense among some republican voters. i spent a lot of time talking to people who participated in a straw poll. but i think there are also people who have the sense that this is the president of the united states right now is arguably the most vulnerable incumbent president in the last 50 years and republicans are not putting up first tier candidates to challenge it. bill: this was the most recent done. rasmussen did a head-to-head with obama and christy. 43% to 35%. his speech was title "real

american exception amism." the right is hitting obama saying he doesn't believe in american exceptionalism. >> i completely agree. i think this is likely to be the ground for the battle of 2012. it's not on that republicans suspect he doesn't believe in american exceptionalism. he said it. he was asked at a press conference about american exceptionalism. he says americans believe in americans exceptionalism the way greeks believe in greek exceptionalism and brits believe in britain's exceptionalism. chris christie was saying america needs to be a leader in the world by example of what we say and do. bill: i want to roll a clip that runs 30 seconds.

these are a few of the times he said he's not runle. >> if you don't feel tonight your heard you have no business running. you have to believe in your heart and soul and mind that you are ready and i don't believe that about myself right now. that's what i said all along. i'm not arrogant enough to believe that after one year as the governor of knowledge and 7 years as a u.s. attorney that i'm ready to be president of the united states. bill: does chris christie enjoy this or does some of this come from inside of his camp or the more influential side of the conservative right pushing him? >> he said anybody would be flattered to be asked to be leader of the free world and that makes some sense. there is a reason people have been talking for months about peopl --about him running for p.

chris christie himself when he met with fundraisers from around the country or people he talked to there have not given the same denials. i think that's why when you see people interpreting what happened last night they see a chris christie who did not say, well, i'm going to have to commit suicide before people will believe. he's no longer ready to say i'm not ready to run for path. there is a reason that there is so much speculation about a potential run. bill: terrific analysis. steve, thank you. martha: we'll get some thoughts from donald trump on that coming up in a little while. the integrity of a test taken by nearly every college student in america compromised. plus how the cheaters allegedly paid, and it wasn't just with

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bill: a dangerous dust storm tearing across the state of as. it may have triggered a 7-car pileup near phoenix. a highway may have take and direct hit that cut count visibility to within a quarter mile within seconds. martha: a college student on long island facing criminal charges for allegedly helping high school students cheat on the s.a.t. exam. he was paid between $1,500 and

$2,500 to take the exam for six students. and those student are also under arrest. how did all of this work? >> reporter: trying to get into college can be very competitive. enough for some it could be criminal. this alleged s.a.t. cheating ring has been busted where a college sophomore has been arefortd for taking the s.a.t. exam for high school seniors. he's accused of using fake i.d.s for going to the testing centers and taking the exams for them. prosecutors say he was paid $1,500 to $2,500 a pop. the whole scheme came out when they heard rumors and they compared the s.a.t. scores with

the high school records. >> the victims are their fellow students. the kids who don't cheat, the kids who take the s.a.t. prepare course. the kids who study, the kids who do their homework. the kids who play by the rules. >> reporter: officials knew something was wrong when the hand writing on the written part of the tests appeared to be the same. he's charged with zeemg defraud, falsifying records and impersonation. >> across the united states no one has ever had a case go to criminal court because of alleged cheating in an exam. >> reporter: it's one of the main tests of colleges universities use to gain admission. if you have ever taken the s.a.t., you know you never forget that experience.

martha: on i know for sure. who wants to ever do that again, right? the worn down pencils. bill: you can keep those number 2s. martha: the 5 minute and the stress. glad it's over. bill: congress launching a probe into planned parenthood. why investigators want to see records from 10 years ago. martha: president obama's top campaign advisor and close friend cause the reelection effort a titantic struggle. has the president hit an iceberg? get it? titantic? iceberg? [ junior ] i played professional basketball for 12 years.

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bill: new information on iran's threat to the u.s. according to reports out of tehran. iran says it will move ships out of the persian gulf onto the edge of america's water. here is iran. they patrol the persian gulfu gulf and so does the u.s.

military. but they came up through the red sea and passed through the suez canal and parked off the coast of israel. if you take that and compare from iran is here and here is the coast of israel to our east coast line you see the distance traveled is much more significant. what they have talked about is going up the eastern coast of the u.s. or the southern coast of cuba and into the gulf of mexico. will they follow through? with me now admiral john stuffleby. what do you think iran is up to? >> i think they are doing two thing at once. they are trying to get international recognition and trying to get legitimacy. bill: do you consider this a threat? >> no, there is no military threat from a few ships that visit our part of the world.

because these are international waters there is no reason why they can't do this if they want to. this is political grandstanding. this is trying to influence world opinion that iran is a force to be reckoned with and needs to be recognized. bill: this will be a leap compared to what they have done up to date. >> it could be bluster. to follow through on what they say they are going to do adds to their international prestige. i think they will probably send some ships into the gulf and maybe off the coast of florida. bill: what would we do? >> just watch them. they don't have capability that could do damage. they could get in the way of and harass fishermen or get in the way of commercial traffic. but other than that i think we'll monitor their activity.

probably the more interesting point is to see who they go visit. will they go to venezuela. bill: or cuba. will we shadow them? >> sure. it may not be necessary to do that all the time. but we have lots of capability and naval vessels in the area that can be put on them. we can tell them so we see them watching us. and we can visit them some to see if they follow through on this one. martha: that's politics now. president obama's top campaign advisor and one of this very good friend admits the road to reelection will be a tough one. david axlerod says a dark cloud is looming over the economy and that puts a cloud over the president's future as well. here is a quote.

we have the wind in our face because the american people have the wind in their faces. this will be a titantic struggle but i belief we are on the right side of the struggle join neeg to talk about this is alan colmes. good morning. good to see you. so alan. titanic struggle. are you surprised david axlerod is characterizing it that way? >> i think we are making much too much of this. of course, it's going to be a struggle. titantic is a word we can debate. but it will be a struggle. it -- you will have to convince people he deter ofs reelection. if he said it was going to be a cakewalk he would be called arrogant and taking things for granted. he also said he's confident they will be victorious. i don't think there is a big story here. of course, it will be a struggle and likely he will get

reelected. >> i don't think david axlero axlerod. it goes to something. wait goes to is they don't want to be arrogant and overconfident. brad blakeman why would you want that to be your posture as a sitting president going into a reelection mode? >> some of the poll numbers are down, the economy isn't where they want it to be, and i think he accurately portrayed where we are. >> he's stating the obvious. he's lowering expectations. everybody knows the president has lacked leadership and hasn't delivered on his policies. he's going down with the ship. if the president has the same poll numbers as he does today in his personal job performance and right track, strong track where americans think the economy and the future is going, he's going to lose. but certainly he's take on water

big time and they know it. martha: when we put together a few different statistics and poll numbers looking at what's in the iceberg. here what is we came up with. when you lock at unemployment you can see there has not been a lot of upward movement in that picture. .1% is where we sit. here is -- when you look at the groups that supported this president in a solid way. here is the african-american unemployment rate. there have been indications the small donors -- those numbers have fallen off as well. here is the approval, disapproval number among independents. from 40% down to 31% approval rate. they are tough numbers he's up against at this stage of the game. >> when you ask independent on their individual policies they want to tax the rich more and

send mormony to the states. specific items in president obama's job proposal is favor. the republicans have not couple with a policy other than what they have always done, cut taxes, help the rich, which is where we are now. we are still living under those bush policies. martha: i want to go back to day said axlerod. they are putting together this strategy. does it make sense for him to position his candidate in this case the president of the united states as a guy who has an uphill battle? is that a better spot to be in? is that where you want to present it? >> absolutely. you want to say everybody is against me. look at the good things i have done for my base. the facts of the matter is when you went before an african-american audience that should be supporting it. take off your slippers and suck

it up and stop whining and complaining. it was hypocracy to speak to your base in that way. he's saying it's your fault, not my fault. >> that wasn't the message i got. >> sure it was. >> he was motivating them to get on their feet and get out there and vote. martha: take off the slipsers and get out there and march. thank you for extending this into that area as well. thanks so much, you guys. have a good day. bill: they are going to spend so much money in this campaign. they will shatter every record. martha: we want to steer clear as a country of the iceberg. bill: someone had their doubts. we'll check the markets. we are up so far. up 49 points.

a lot of economic news out. the dow closing up 146 points tuesday. don't know where the bulls came running from, but they were running. in the meantime a deadly wisteria outbreak. the cdc saying 14 people in four states are tied, other sickened from the tainted fruit. one of the victims a moth of three who died three weeks after getting sick. >> my mom never deserved to go through this. she was one of the best women in the world. bill: who his most at risk here. >> pregnant women, elderly. newborn infants. and persons with compromised immune systems. however, all of us should be heeding the warning. public health officials have traced the wisteria outbreak to

jensen farms in colorado. the company issued a recall. 72 illnesses were reported in 13 states. they are investigating at least three additional deaths that may be connected to this outbreak it's possible we'll see even more cases. the tricky thing about this bacteria is it has a long incubation period. so you can become infected for several weeks before you display any symptoms. bi: is this something in the fruit or can it be washed off with water before you eat it. >> both. there is a lot of cross contamination. if you wash your fruits and vegetable.before serving them it mitigates some of the risk. the cdc posted guidelines on line. similar to the guidelines they urge people to use in protecting

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martha: sarah palin saying he's the flavor of the month, but republican candidate herman cain says he's much more than that. he credits his loyal supporters along with voters who are starting to listen to his message instead of the media. also this out of indiana. a killer or killers still on the loose there as investigators identify five victims found dead effort to weekend. police say the killer was not among the dead. they still have no suspects in that case. toy maker little tykes are recalling tool sets because they could pose a choking hazard for

younger children. >> obama-care must be repealed. this $1 trillion bomb is creating such uncertainty in the marketplace that businesses aren't willing to hire or willing to deploy capital in the marketplace. >> there are a menu of options we could have, that is how we go forward with our healthcare. each state deciding how they are going to deliver that healthcare. not one side fits all. >> a lot of people are objecting to obama-care because we need to get bureaucrats out of the business of trying to micromanage income this nation. bill: some of the republic kansas can candidate --republicg about how they will manage healthcare in 2012.

doctors think patients get too much care. is that true? and if so, why? dr. ernest paddy. your titles are a page and a half long. good morning to both of you. doctor, too much care in your view? >> basically what's happening is the doctors surveyed found 83% of them believed that their care was dependent upon what we call defensive medicine. they were ordering tests and doing tests to prevent problems like malpractice. that leads to a serious problem because it costs us billions of dollars. bill: so they are trying to protect themselves. dr. paddy, do you agree with the

findings? >> i have to tell you i work at a safety net hospital in the south bronx. the majority of patients that i care for can't get the healthcare that they need. and they refer to the front line physicians in study. an inner city urban areas like where i am in the bronx we are emergency physicians. these people do not have access to family physicians which we all know would be able to deliver good quality cost-effective care. bill: what you are suggesting is it depends on where you live. i think we could all agree on that. i know dr. fursheim would have to agree with me on that, as well. bill: are doctors spending too much time with patients? i have to get this prescription out for order this m.r.i.? that way they can come back and

say you didn't check for this in the first place. >> the doctors surveyed, 76% said they could be sued for not prescribing a certain test. a particular problem and i would reference the emergency medicine department. everyone is ordering figure tests. everyone is ordering a ct scan and radiologists have to read the scan. it can cause problems in terms of how those tests are read. if you have a concussion, if too many tests are ordered the radiologist may not be able to read that. overprescribing tests can lead to shortages and problems as well. bill: whether you are serving patients in new york city or elsewhere in the country, would you take more time with the patients? >> it's interesting how in the study only 40% of the doctors

felt more time was needed. i the ability to practice medicine is not just a science it's an art. we need to speak to our patients and examine them. if we were give up more time to take with our patients maybe in the long term more unnecessary tests might not be ordered. bill: you are a terrific panel. i wish we had more time. we'll bring you back. thank you, dr. fursheim, thank you both of you. martha: this is a big brewing story. rhode island is the latest state to give a better break on tuition costs to illegal immigrants than hill citizens who live outside of their state. they did this in rhode island without ever casting a single vote in the legislature. should illegals get that break? bill: from day one michael

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martha: a big legal case. we are awaiting a verdict in the appeals trifle amanda knox. she is the american student convicted of murdering her roommate. her father is speaking out about this case. here is what he says. >> she has definitely lost some weight. it's tough for her to sleep. if you try to put yourself in her shoes where, in matter of a few days, you know, a judge and jury are going decide what happens to your life, i don't know if i would sleep very well

either. martha: i don't know how her family has made it through this entire ordeal. judge napolitano, so much of this appeals case has gone to her character. they compared her from a she devil to jessica rabbit. someone who is being misportrayed as a loose woman. her father says she is in a difficult psychological state. >> even though this is an appeal, it's a second trial. in america the appeal is to a panel of three judges. the argument is the jury was wrong other judge allowed jury to hear things they should. in it lit appeal consists of another trial before another judge and jury.

this time the jury consists of professional jurist. lawyers employed by the state who are full time professional jurists. this is not a case that would have scene outcome in america. the evidence used against her would never withstand the scrutiny we apply to evidence in the united states. the dna evidence the jury heard in the first trial was so sloppily handled and unprofessionally examined. martha: dna on a bra strap and a knife they adry beaut to amanda. >> reporter: the dna wasn't handle properly. in italy the judge let them hear tonight first trial. the statements she made to the

police within hours of the death of the roommate, the interrogation was so brutal, no american judge would allow a jury to their hat q and a. i think she'll go free on saturday and literally walk out of the courtroom. martha: judge napolitano, thank you very much. bill: in a moment congress is set to investigate planned parenthood. also coming up is this. martha: he's not running but that does mean donald trump is out of politics. is he the new gait keeper for republican nominees? let me tell you about a very important phone call i made.

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illegally using tax dollars to subsidize abortions. we start a brand new hour of ""america's newsroom"", i'm martha maccallum. bill: i'm bill hemmer, you look lovely, watching the background. >> martha: planned it that way! >> bill: congressman cliff stearns, requesting documents, saying there are questions about how they used three 50d million dollars in funds every year. martha: planned parenthood saying they provide a wide range of health services for women and they believe that federal funds are never directly used for abortions. let's bring in byron york of the washington examiner. why do you think we're hearing about this now? and you know, does this committee have the jurisdiction to really do anything about the funding for planned parenthood? >> this is the latest battle in a war that's been ongoing for a long time, planned parenthood is the nation's largest provider of

abortionings and planned parenthood receives more than $300 million a year in taxpayer funds. for their part, democrats have said look, the federal funds that go to planned parenthood have been audit audited, medicare, medicaid -- medicaid is audited every year, the audits are public, and there's no indication there is misuse of federal money there. martha: let's take a look at this statement from henry waxman, and representative diane -- diana dugett from colorado saying the hhs and state medicaid programs regularly audit planned parent ph-d and report publicly on findings, they have not identified any pattern of misuse and federal funds, illegal activity or other abuse that would justify a broad and invasive congressional investigation. where do we go from here? >> it depends upon how you look at it. they point out that planned parenthood as an abortion provider receives all this

money, how can they say it doesn't go for abortions, planned parenthood say they segregate the funds. it should be a standoff for a while. i should say that henry waxman doesn't have a lot of room to talk, there are a number of firms like cath caterpillar -- caterpillar and at&t saying they would take writeoffs, waxman made them show their books to prove this. this is a fight that's done in this committee all the time. martha: it has also come up in the context of the health care reform bill, right? >> it did. martha: we hear more about it in that regard. >> if you remember the passage of omabacare was a cliffhanger at the end because representative bart stupak was on the fence about whether he could support the provisions in the law. martha: what's the likelihood that planned parenthood gets de funded in your opinion? >> zero. it's not going to happen in the house. if it gets to the house, it's not going to happen in the senate. look at republican efforts

to de fund lots of things like npr, the corporation of public broadcasting. in the end it hasn't happened. martha: just in general, not so good, it could be funding pretty much anything. >> that's basically it, yeah. martha: thank you very much, byron york. bill: for context and perspective, planned parenthood providing medical services for 3 million people last year, through about 800 centers across the u.s., they have performed more than 332,000 abortions last year, 3 percent of their entire services, between three -- between 2002 and 2009, planned parenthood and its affiliates spent $670 million in federal funds. to 2012 right now, it will be -- it will be a key battle ground state and we got new polling showing how tight things are in the state of ohio, quinnipiac university survey showing romney leading rick perry, 24-20 percent in the buckeye state, sarah palin, not even in the race, third at 9 percent, the number shifted when perry and

romney go head to head, this is interesting, perry, 42, romney, 38, that number within the margin of error in the buckeye state. martha: it's very interesting. governor perry, who really has been in the top rolls all along in terms of these polling numbers and hasn't slipped much, despite people saying he is slipping, it hasn't happened, people saying they should vote for him because he's nothing like barack obama, that's what the perry folks say, they highlight differences between him and the president in front of a crowd in new hampshire. take a look at this: >> you're going to hear a lot of appeals from my republican friends who are running for president. let me just go on the record, they're all good men and women. but as we consider this economic misery that's spread across this country by the obama administration, we don't need a nominee who's going to blur the differences between themselves and barack obama. we're going to have a nominee who draws a clear contrast. the differences between president obama and myself

are great. martha: well, experts say that perry still stands as one of the gop frontrunners, clearly, in these polls, that's where things are, despite a disappointing showing at the debate and a straw poll in florida last week. this thing is far from over, bill. bill: he's in new hampshire, right, mitt romney is in new hampshire, this state has a primary decision in the decision. on the billboard, we're going to introduce you for the next year, to take us just exactly into the numbers for what's happening across the country. historically in new hampshire, you could make an argument this state is up for grabs. back in 2004, in new hampshire, when george bush was taking on john kerry, kerry won this state by one percentage point, this is a guy who is from the state of massachusetts, right to the southern border of new hampshire. in 200, a bit of a different story. on the map behind us, blue is democrat, red is republican, in 2008, barack

obama had no problem with john mccain, 54-45 percent, a difference of nine points. so which way is it going to go this year? what kind of an impact will you have from romney and perry going at it? carl cameron is live there this morning. good morning to you. you are hearing about changes in the primary calendar. what's up with that? >> reporter: well, you know, there's always a rush to get to the front of the pack and be one of the first states, and that is going to unfold, and you know, new hampshire changed a lot in the 2010 midterm, it had been for a number of years much minister bipartisan, a lot more democratic office holders. that slipped dramatically in 2010, so the granite state is a lot more conservative than it's been for the last couple of cycles and now it's going to have to change its election dates. the state of florida is expected in the next two days to announce it will hold its primary on january 31st, and when florida does that, it will set up a cycle in which the four early states, iowa, new hampshire, nevada, and south carolina, will all have to

leapfrog forward and hold their primaries in early january. it's likely that the early -- latest possible date iowa would select would be january 10th, but it could be that the iowa caucuses take place on january 2nd, which means new hampshire would go on the ninth, then so on. it will accelerate the pace of this campaign, because the first tests will take place sooner than many of these candidates had been planning on. bill: following the calendar and jumping around the different states, when is this decided, carl? >> it's going to be decided on friday when florida announces they're going to hold the primary january 31st. that is a violation of national republican national committee rules, for choosing that date, they will be docked half of their delegates at the convention. those will be awarded proportionately allocated to the candidates as opposed to winner take all, but because florida is breaking the rnc proposed calendar and voting in florida, four other states that insist on being first will be compelled in the case of new hampshire by law to move ahead.

so, iowa, the first caucus would take place either on january 2nd, a day and a half after new year's, or january 9th, and then new hampshire would take place either on january 10th or 17th. either way you slice it, the campaign is going to start the first or second week of january based on florida's big move to january 31st, in violation of rnc rules in a day and a half. bill: it's either going to be a cold or hot january for some of the folks out there. carl, thank you, we'll see which ones do it. carl cameron is in new hampshire, breaking news on is that. martha: more on that, because it is a tale of two potential candidates, chris christie, being literally begged last night to run for president, still insisting that he won't, and sarah palin, who some polls say people do not want her to run, even tea partiers have said that, we're going it talk about that with this gentleman right here, donald trump, joining us live with his take on the two people who are not in the race. bill: also, should illegal

immigrants get t same tuition break as someone who lives in that state? that's the new law in rhode island and the state legislator didn't even vote on it. fair and balanced debate on that, whether that's right or wrong. martha: this is all the talk, he's accused of causing michael jackson's death. today, dr. conrad murray gets his day in court. why he says nothing could have saved the king of pop. >>

martha: well, everybody seems to be asking the same question, but the answer never changes, new jersey governor chris christie, practically being begged last night at the reagan

speech to run for president but he was still an emphatic no. >> people who have asked me about this over the course of the last number of weeks and months, and this i'll say about this tonight, is that i hear exactly what you're saying, and i feel the passion with which you say it, and it touches me. because i could tell you, i'm just a kid from jersey who feels like i'm the luckiest guy in the world to have the opportunity that i have to be the governor of my state. martha: and great state it is, who can blame him, right? apparently all of the republican white house hopefuls have one must-have meeting on their list through the whole course of events and this is our next guest, donald trump, chair of the trump organization, joining me by phone. good to hear you? >> good to hear you. martha: chris christie, literally begged last night -- i don't know that i've ever seen a candidate

literally begged like this to run. >> that's true. martha: what do you make of all this, is he out for good? >> well, he's a very, very good friend of mine and i've been with him for a long time, and he's done a great job, i have a lot of property in new jersey and i'm very happy about it because he's really done a good job as governor and he's a very good guy, and i watched last night, and it sounds -- i mean, that wasn't necessarily the best sound bite in terms of what he's going to be doing because he gave another sound bite which was much stronger that he's not going to be running, and certainly that's what he's told me and that's what he's told everybody, and it just seems like he's not going to be running. now, what you just played would indicate perhaps otherwise. but he had other sound bites from last night that were much stronger. martha: what do you think his long term plan is, then, donald? >> i think he wants to be a great governor of new jersey. he loves being governor and he's doing such a wonderful job and everybody loves him and i think he justs to be governor, he just really feels --o and he says he's not ready. i feel he might be ready.

but he feels he's not ready, which is all that matters. i just think he wants to be, martha, great governor and he loves the state of new jersey. martha: it's so interesting to me, donald, because i look at this and i see similarities in terms of their position in terms of president obama, he had been in the senate a couple of years, he was also implored to run for president, it was clearly what he wanted to be, his long term goal, and he made the choice to go ahead and do it. chris christie seems to be making another choice. i also want to play this from sarah palin, the other person that's been flirting with the idea of a run for it, she spoke to greta last night and here's what she said about it and then i want to get your thoughts. >> is a title worth it, does a title shackle a person, are they someone like me who's a maverick -- i do go rogue and i call it like i he is -- like i see it and i don't mind stirring it to get deem to -- to get people to debate aggressively and find solutions to our problems in the country. somebody like they, is a

tiedel -- a title and campaign too shackling. martha: doesn't want to be shackled, tied into anything, she doesn't want the title to hem her in. >> i like her a lot. we got together recently and she's a terrific person. i don't think she's going to run but i think she is probably the only one who knows and her husband what's going to happen. i watched last night, greta, and i thought her performance, i thought it was really great, i thought it was really interesting, but i -- >> martha: do you think she should run? >> well, you know, it's getting awfully late. it's getting awfully late. and i actually think that the people that are running probably should really come to the forefront now, because somebody is going to have to beat obama. the key is, you're going to have to beat obama. and you know, we don't want to do anything to cramp the style of anyone else. whoever wins has to beat obama. that's so vital for this country. martha: you know, we have seen you playing a role in all of this, some people say you're a new gate keeper for anybody who wants to be the republican nominee in this.

how do you see your role? >> well, everybody has called, and they've called to have meetings and they're not asking me for money, so i guess they're asking me for endorsements, and i do represent a large group of people, i was leading in the polls, and leading when i got out, and i represent a large, a very large group of people, martha, as you know, who feel this country is just being ripped by opec and china and so many other countries, and you know, a lot of the problems that we have aren't from within. they're from without. they're from outside of the country. we don't make good deals. we don't -- every country that we do business with, whether it's colombia, which is going to make $4 billion this year, or china, at $350 billion takes our jobs, i mean, and i represent a large group of people, a very large -- many millions of people, and people i think want an endorsement, and it's early for an endorsement, but i'm very honored that they feel that way. we have to do something to save this country, because the world is just eating us alive. martha: if somebody asked

you to have a role in an administration, as vice president or cabinet member, is that something you'd like to do? >> it's not something i see for myself. i love what i'm doing and that's one of the reasons i was leading the polls when i got out, i was leading the polls, and you know, frankly, i love what i'm doing. i really enjoy what i'm doing. what i want is for the country to be strong again. we have a country that's not at all strong, and not at all respected. we're just not respected as a country anymore. we don't know what we're doing as a country. and we need the right -- this is a very critical and important choice. this is the most important -- you know, i jokingly and lovingly say other than maybe george washington or abraham lincoln, this is just about as important as it's going to get for the next president. i mean, we have to choose the right president, martha. martha: i think you're right about that. and so the rest of the country will just have to wait because new york has to keep donald trump doing what he's doing for now, new jersey gets to keep chris christie and doing what he's

doing for now and we need to keep you guys around. >> you have a great show. martha: thank you, take care, donald. bill: this is a rite of passage, you have to come to new york, get a pastrami sandwich. >> or a piece of pizza! bill: and his reaction, after he meets them is taken to heart and you can tell when they talk to him. martha: i think people see him as a guy who speaks his mine and they like that and that's a huge attraction to chris christie as well. i think that's why you have people from georgia saying they want him to run because he speaks his mind, it'sie freshing, he doesn't exactly answer every single question the way you think he's going to answer it. sometimes these people say things that are just true and from their gut and that's what people respond to in america right now and we'll see if anything changes, bill. that's what you and i will be watching closely. bill: that, we will. okay, who's following you? and do you even know it if your computer is not active. is that legal? got a lot of questions, don't you? and breaking news on an effort to track down the

most dangerous illegal immigrants in america. fox news will take you inside that operation. >> we've been targeting, you know, what we consider the worst of the worst. we have several attempted murderers, several rapists, a lot of child molesters, and unfortunately, quite a few individuals who are convicted of battery on their spouse and domestic violence.

martha: let's get to other quick headlines right now. onstar says it will no longer track drivers after they cut off their service. privacy complaints from new york senator chuck schumer now forcing on star to delete theiro delete their data connection even if a customer opts out. the husband of a missing utah woman losing custody of their two sons, prosecutors

say josh powell is the subject of a child porn investigation now. his children are staying with their grandparents, susan powell disappeared back in 2009. heavy fighting reported near the libyan border of sirte, revolutionary forces say they're gaining ground on qaddafi's home town but rebel leaders say they believe qaddafi is far away, hiding in the desert near the algerian border. bill: breaking news now, more than 2900 illegals arrested in a nationwide sting. it's a week-long sweep, called operation cross-check, and fox news was there to watch it. william la jeunesse has that story in l.a. what happened william? good morning. >> reporter: bill, we got about 12 million illegal immigrants living in the united states, about 500,000 are said to be fugitive criminals, charged or convicted of serious crimes, like rape and homicide, child abuse. last week, agents from immigration and customs enforcement initiated operation cross-check to arrest and deport the worst of the criminal aliens.

>> we turn over to the case agents. >> they meet before sunrise to assess the day's targets. in moments, the operation is underway. >> we've been targeting just what we consider the worst of the worst. >> these are just not people who have entered the united states illegally but they've committed serious crimes here. >> reporter: 62-year-old al gradeo nava is a four time felon convicted of drunk driving and giving alcohol to a minor. three times he's been deported. >> i think we're putting the message out that, you know, if you come to the united states and get convict -- convicted of a crime we're going to find you and remove you. >> reporter: eight teams in los angeles alone, look for more than 500 illegal felons. >> the rate of recidivism in this country is such that if these people are left on the streets, most of them will reoffend within three years. >> ice director john morton says focusing on criminal aliens makes sense, but some

critics argue another message is being sent. that entering america illegally is fine. provided you don't commit a crime. morton disagreed. >> we can remove about 400,000 people a year, about half of those last year were criminal offenders, half were noncriminal offenders, so the idea that somehow we are not enforcing the law against regular immigration violators simply isn't true. >> reporter: so nationwide, bill, ice arrested about 3000 fugitives, all had prior convictions. now, the immigration controversy for this administration is not this program, which even critics support, but this ongoing disagreement over misdemeanor and noncriminal illegal immigrants, should they be deported as well, and that controversy continues. bill: as it continues, we will follow it. thank you william. william la jeunesse in los angeles. martha. martha: here's a big question right now. should illegals get a better deal on college tuition than out of state students?

another state has just passed a law that says that -- this is something of course that rick perry has gotten a lot of attention for, a lot of it negative on the campaign trail. we're going to talk about that coming u bill: also the man accused of causing michael jackson's death is on trial for manslaughter. did he help kill the king of pop who came back from the grave on day one in court?

bill: 10:31 here in new york, that means it is 7:31 in l.a., in about an hour's time the trial continues. getting his day in court, dr. conrad murray charged with giving michael jackson a lethal dose of a powerful sedative. today jurors are seeing and hearing disturbing evidence, including iro audiotapes, the days and weeks before jackson died in his own voice: >> [inaudible] >>

bill: that was a voice mail message recorded apparently by the doctor on trial. joey jackson, former prosecutor, tamra holder, criminal defense attorney, good morning to both of you, how you doing? >> good morning, bill. bill: is there any dispute that that is michael jackson's voice, any disagreement it's the king of pop? >> agreed. bill: when i first heard it, i said no way that, is not the voice we've come to know of michael jackson. apparently it was recorded, about 9:00 in the morning on the iphone of the doctor on trial, the issue is conrad murray, right? now joey, there's no disputing he was treating michael jackson, that he was giving him sedatives, prescription medication, the propofol, the drip into his body, that's not been disputed. the question was whether or not he was reckless in his conduct and whether he is negligent in that matter. >> 100 percent. bill: how do you prove that, joey? >> here's what's going to happen.

when you talk about recklessness, bill, what you're talking 'is the conscious disregard of the risk. what's the risk. the risk that something like this could happen. this is involuntary manslaughter charge. no one is saying the doctor acted intentionally. what they're saying is, from prosecution's perspective, his standard the conduct deviated so far from the norm, that it represented a danger, and as a result of that, michael jackson died. here's the problem. the problem for the defense is, number one, you're administering something that is a sedative, very powerful, generally administered in hospital settings, only administered in hospital settings, you're doing so, you abandon your patient at the time by leaving the room, that, you shouldn't do, you don't have the equipment and medical things you need to attend to the patient in the event that something drastically goes wrong, you now find out that the patient is apparently undergoing cardiac arrest or is dying or dead, you don't call # 11 initially, what you do is you tell the bodyguard to dispose of or otherwise conceal the drugs, then finally, bill, you're making

$150,000 a month for your treatment of him, so are you his doctor or are you his enabler, is it an employer-employee relationship such that as a doctor, you're going to do whatever it is that your patient directs you to do. bill: you lay out a fascinating case, joey. tamra, how would you defend against that? >> well, what the denies in this case has said, though, is that they are asking the jury to just look at the science, what they said in opening statements yesterday was that if you look at the -- listen to the experts on propofol, the leading experts, they are going to tell you that when dr. murray left that room, there was no evidence or there will be no evidence proved that there was propofol in his body at that time. how can the doctor prove this? by michael jackson's breathing, and by whatever evidence they're going to show. now, the fact is is that, you know, propofol isn't generally administered outside an operating room. bill: that's for surgery.

i mean, you're in the hospital and they're going to put you under, you know? >> right. right. bill: but the doctor, in charge of his care, okay, what the defense is going to argue is that michael jackson inserted the drugs into himself. >> right. now -- >> bill: how do you prove that, joey? >> here's the thing. the fact is you don't leave a dangerous drug like that available to your patient such that they are going to self-administrator. so the problem is, if you're the doctor, you don't abandon the patient. >> if your patient is awake. he was asleep at the time, joey. >> but tamra, how are you going to be asleep, then you're going togate up and administrator something to yourself? is that does not make any sense. >> because propofol -- you can wake up immediately with propofol. all it does is put you to sleep, then you stay asleep. also, he was -- he had administered less propofol that day, and he said that michael jackson was having problems falling asleep. >> well, he has to say that, tamra. he has to say that. because it goes along with his defense. bill: perhaps he will. both of you now, i don't

know how this is going to play out, it's taking five weeks, but it's l.a., maybe it goes five months. tamra, would you put a jackson family member on the stand? >> as defense attorney, absolutely not. the prosecution, maybe, because the prosecution wants to bring out the emotion, that you know, that this was the of pop, and he is sorely missed, you know. they have the family actually sitting right next to the jury. bill: yeah, and they're going to come in and out of -- sorry about the interruption, they're going to come in and out of court like they did yesterday and we're going to see that everyay. do you do that, joey, what is the risk as a prosecution? >> as a prosecutor's perspective, you're establishing relevant evidence, bill. if these family members can attest to the fact that he was lucid, he was fine, he was doing well, progressing, physically in good health, then i think they're probative and have value in testifying, to agree with tamra, there's the emotional element that you want to as a prosecution's perspective

to elicit. you want to get it out there. this is a loving human being, the king of pop, how could the doctor be so grossly irresponsible in his care. without question, if you're a prosecutor, you want to get a family member on. bill: the first witness was kenny ortega, the concert promoter who was going to take michael jackson to london and he sent e-mails in the week and month before he died talking about his condition, how concerned he was for him. so we'll see how this plays out as we move into day two. tamra, thank you. >> joey, thanks to you as well. martha. martha: good debate. coming up, another state will soon offer in-state tuition for the children of illegal immigrants, and this time, voters and even lawmakers had no say in this matter. big debate coming up on that >> thank you senator. >> and mr. chairman, the captain of my ship, the ship is going in the wrong direction.

bill: that's an incredible

and dangerous new video, watch as the car, apparently fail to go brake in time, slams into two cars pulled over on the side of the highway, the impact hurling one man on to the other side of the divider, the other man, sent flying on to the hood! amazingly, both men suffered only minor bruises, and they are lucky. that story out of argentina. >> if you say that we should not educate children who have come into our state for no other reason than they've been brought there by no fault of their own, i don't think you have a heart. martha: that was a very memorable moment from last thursday night's debate, texas governor and presidential candidate rick perry during that fox news-google evening, defending his state's policy of giving in-state tuition rates to the children of illegal immigrants. now, the lone star state is not alone on this. twelve other states have similar laws that allow illegal immigrant children

to have that in-state tuition, which is a much better rate than folks from out of state get and now rhode island has just joined this club. its board of governors, which is an education arm in the state, they are the ones who approved the law, they side-stepped the state legislature on this and y, did that heat it up. >> i think there are people that don't think before they speak. what we want is an education. >> it took quite a while to get my wife and sons through the legal process, took five years to get my sons here. i don't think that's fair for the il-- illegal aliens that get the same benefit. i don't think that's fair at all. martha: this is a hot debate across the country. joined by angela kelly, center for american progress, with us in a moment, te-- terry goreman, rhode islanders for immigration and law enforcement. angie, we'll start with you on this. one of the issues here is

that it went through this education board, so the people of rhode island did not get to voice their opinion on this and the poll necessary rhode island, according to the providence journal, show they're very much against it. >> well, that's correct. that is a process that rhode island, you know, has gone through. certainly the board of governors are experts, professionals, they're looking out for the well being of all rhode island residents, and look, they've gone down the course that has a track record, as you indicated. there are a dozen states with over ten years experience that have provided in-state tuition rates to undocumented residents. so we know what the consequences are, and quite frankly, they're favorable. this is what we know when you provide in-state rates for undocumented residents. one is that it doesn't hurt the university. in fact, you're having qualified students enter the university, they are paying in-state tuition rates, martha: right. >> and that the financial score card is actually in favor of the srufrt because you get more students who

otherwise wouldn't be going to school. martha: okay. >> it's more than offset by the decrease in the out of state tuition rates. martha: there's one group of people you're forgetting in this situation. do we have terry on the line with us? all right, we're going to work on terry goreman. the group that's being forgotten here are the man who we just saw in this sound bite, i worked so hard to get my family here legally and he wants his children to have the advantage of having come here legally. what about kids who live out of state in massachusetts? or connecticut, or all those surrounding places to rhode island and all those other states who are out of staters, why should they pay $25,000, when the illegal immigrant child is paying $9000? >> well, there's a decision made that people who live in the state should get lower rates. that's true i think of all state universities. if you've got a student who has finished high school, in the state of rhode island, who is proven that he or she

is qualified to go to the university, we've made investments in the student already, the decision of 11, 12 states has been, including texas and utah, these are tough -- >> martha: i understand. >> to invest in these kids. i mean, look, ideally, we wouldn't have this issue. ideally, we would have a federal solution, and i think this is where we can all agree, where we would deal with folks without papers, make sure they get in the system and that we know who they are. that isn't -- >> martha: but -- >> let's get terry's perspective on this. terry, the issue is, everybody is sympathetic to these children, raised in the united states, despite the fact that the parents are here illegally, but the similar patty issue is part of the story. the other part of the story is that they're here illegally, terry, and tell me why you think that's such an important component of this. >> well, i think it's it's an important component because it's again the law

and that's our organization, we've been in business five years, five years ago, people were telling me about these aves of illegal aliens and i looked into it and found out we had laws that prevent every single one of them, and these students, what everybody seems to lose track of, is when they graduate from high school, they're still illegal ailens if we allow them into our colleges, they're still il-- illegal aliens. when they graduate from college, they're still illegal ailens. i think i made a big mistake when i testified the other day because i told that board of higher education that illegal aliens, if they couldn't afford to live on campus, they would have to commute, and they wouldn't be allowed to commute, because they're illegal aliens and they wouldn't be able to drive. and lo and behold, yesterday , governor chaffe came out and wants to give driver's licenses to illegal

aliens in rhode island now. and i just don't -- >> martha: i hear you, terry, and a lot of people hear that argument across the country. angela, you want to make one final point? i should mention, we weren't able to pull up terry on camera. that's why you're hearing him on the phone. it's against the law, people are here illegally, and the folks that get here in the right way have a real problem with this, angie. give me your final thought on that. >> sure. we have a broken immigration system, so what you see are states trying to do what they can for their residents. but clearly, there isn't a satisfactory solution, where we've got states going all kinds of different directions, until the federal government acts. so within the states' rights, to pass this kind of law, i think it makes complete sense, but overall the way we'll ever fix this problem is if the federal government stops hiding -- our lawmakers get out from under their desk and roll up their sleeves and try to pass a comprehensive bill that deals with people who are here without status. but on the on the -- >> martha: we've got to leave it there, thank you

very much, and terry goreman on the phone, sorry about the visual part of your appearance that we weren't able to arrange, but it's good to have your voice in the mick as well. thank you very much, big issue. there's going to be more on this in the debates. bill: blown out at the open during the debates, too. martha: it was. bill: a massive storm on the sun could be threatening life on earth. we'll tell you why a close call with a giant solar flare has scientists scrambling to prevent a major disaster. cue the music! >> ♪ >> ♪ riders storm. >> ♪ >> ♪ >> ♪

martha: you could say that some parts of television will never be quite the same. cbs has announced that andy rooney will end his regular weekly appearances on "60 minutes" this fall, the 92-year-old are formally make the announcement in his 1000th -- 1097th essay on sunday night. rooney, a war correspondent, joined the network in 1949, worked on "60 minutes" from the beginning in the late '60s and became a regular commentator in the late '70s we hear the news magazine will feature a special lookback at his career, which i bet is going to be just great and he may still appear on this program from time to time, because that's good, because he's a bit young to retire, wouldn't you say? >> bill: if you'd ask him, he'd say the same thing. martha: exactly. bill: huge viewership for that. repairs are underway to rebuild a critical highway in north carolina, blown away by hurricane irene.

the critics are asking whether or not the rebuilding price is worth it john roberts, back live on hatteras island in north carolina. john, where's the controversy coming from here? >> reporter: oh, good morning to you bill. the controversy is coming from this, that water you see. that's all that's left of north carolina highway 12, the lifeline between hatteras village, frisco, bucston, places like that, the mainland, and it's been that way since hurricane irene. let's roll pictures of after the hurricane. you can see the enormous damage. they've been trying to put it back together since then. this is a $10 million project which includes a temporary bridge, on top of $35 million that's been spent to repeatedly repair this road since the year 2000, and then another $216 million that will be spent to build another bridge to this area. it's got some people saying, bill, because these shifting sands are always washing out this highway, always causing tens of millions of dollars to be spent fixing it, that it's just not worth fixing it.

re's robert young from northwestern carolina university. >> we've been trying to hold that barrier island in place for the last two or three decades and it's trying to move landward in response to these storms, but the fact that we've been trying to keep that road there for so long means that it's even more vulnerable than ever. >> reporter: you know, for centuries, bill, thoseie -- islands have been my grating west, it caused them to move the hatteras light house for $10 million, so people are saying stop rebuilding the road, just take a ferry. bill: what's the argument from those who say you need to rebuild, it needs to be reopened, you need to spend the millions that's required? >> >> reporter: it's that, it's millions of dollars, $300 million tourist dollars come out of hatteras island every year, $1.1 billion out of deere county, a donor county, that means they give more to the state than they get back and there are thousands that live on the island. we talked to the owner of a gun and rod store, put the question to her about the

road. listen to what she said: >> don't rebuild the road, what do you say to that argument? >> things happen all across the country to people all over the place, and do you want to tell people that a tornado went through their home, don't rebuild the town? i think our town is important. we're a huge revenue producer for our state as far as tourism, tax dollars. >> reporter: and you know, people say well, what about ferries? currently that's the only way to get here is under ferry. their business at the cavanaugh rod and gun store is down 70 percent, people on this island are hurting so badly, bill, and in the fall tourist season that should be bringing in profits after they make their expenses for the year during the summer. bill: to get it done, they're going to have to go out and get the money. john robert is at hatteras island, john, thank you, good to see you. here's martha. martha: we are awaiting the arrival right now of michael jackson's doctor the a the loss canning -- los angeles courthouse. this is heating up to be quite a trial. we're going to hear what we can expect today. and why the price you pay to fly will be going up,

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