>> arthel: hello, everyone. i'm arthel neville. welcome to a brand-new hour inside america's news headquarters. >> gregg: i'm gregg jarrett. topping the news this hour, reports that new jersey governor chris christie may be having a change of heart. and is now considering a run for the white house after all. but first he might want to hear what former presidential candidate mike huckabee is telling fox news about what it's like to run for that top job. >> arthel: follow-up to a story that has a lot of you talking. a father fighting to get custody of his baby after the mother gives him over to a charity group for adoption. wait until you hear who has the baby now. >> people ho don't like it should send the clearest message to the bank and take their money to a better bank or credit union. >> gregg: well, there is customer outrage right now. the nationest biggest bank announcing a brand-new fee for any customer making a purchase with their debit card. bank of america says it has no choice, so we're going to talk to you about what your choices

might be now. >> arthel: first up, the state department issuing a new travel alert for americans following the deaths of key al-qaeda figures. this as america's enemies suffer yet another setback. nato saying has nabbed a senior member of a hakani network. one of the most ruthless terror groups is believed responsible for recent high profile attacks on americans in afghanistan, including last month's deadly attack on the u.s. embassy in kabul. molly henneberg is live now from washington. first up, what was this guy's role in the hakani network? >> hi. cannes was one of the -- kahn was one of the highest ranking members, according to nato, which also said this about him in a statement today. quote. in the past year, kahn established a militant camp in

the tribal lands. coordinated the transfer of money for insurgent operations and facilitated the acquisition of supplies. kahn was said to be heavily armed at the time, but did not put up any resistance when he was captured. also swept up in this operation, kahn's deputy and boyfriend -- sorry, body guard. sorry about that. >> arthel: you got love in your heart. it's all good. >> i guess so. >> arthel: let's talk about that drone missile strike in yemen. the u.s. may have taken out a third big name al-qaeda operative. right? >> yes. u.s. officials aren't completely sure yet. but they believe al-qaeda's top bomb maker may have been killed, too. they've said that al-awlaki, the head of al-qaeda in the arabian peninsula, and kahn were killed. but the missiles also may have taken out the man behind the underwear bomb plot of 2009 and the cargo printer bomb plot about a year later. one terrorism expert says

getting these guys is significant, but cautions that their words and methods may live on on-line. >> the united states and their allies should be doing on the one hand, very successful in eliminating those commanders, on the other hand find allies, find counter jihaddists. those are the ones who will be winning that on-line battle. not us. >> if al-siri is dead, it would be a setback for al-qaeda. he had perfected using nonmetallic explosives that evade traditional airport security. >> arthel: all right. thank you very much. >> gregg: this guy, al-awlaki, was a very influential voice for so-called lone wolf attackers. for example, the man accused of trying to set off a bomb in times square last year told investigators he drew inspiration from al-awlaki. the fort hood shooter, nidal malik hasan, had communications with him before an attack that

left 13 people dead in november of 2009. and yemeni officials say umar farouk abdulmutallab, the so-called underwear bomber who tried to board a plane with explosives also on christmas day had contact with al-awlaki and some of the 9-11 hijackerare believed to have had advanced contact with him before that terrible day. >> arthel: fox news recently took a closer look how al-awlaki, an american born cleric, was able to gain so much influence in the al-qaeda organization. this is from our special, the american terrorist. listen. >> i believe he realized he had a certain power that he could develop followers with his way of presenting, his brand of extremism to young people here in the united states. >> when he preached in the mosque, did he have a commanding personality? >> i hate to use played out words, but yes. he was charismatic.

>> every person among them will have two wives. >> his specialty is painting a very elaborate, graphic picture of the carnal pleasures that await the martyrs and their paradies. >> arthel: it's a fascinating special. tune in, the american terrorist tomorrow at 9:00 p.m. eastern only here on the fox news channel. afghan president, hamid karzai, giving up on talks with the taliban. he's calling current negotiations, quote, useless, and says his country needs to have talks with neighboring pakistan instead. in a recent speech, karzai saying his views changed after a bomber posing as taliban envoy killed rabati, who had taken a leading role in the peace talks. mostly the taliban leadership is thought to be living in pakistan with help from the pakinstani government. >> gregg: nato maybe seeing the

finish line in libya. the military mission is largely complete. and there may be a brief letup in the fighting on the ground. fighters for the interim government saying they will call a two-day truce, allowing civilians to leave sirte, the hometown of moammar gadhafi, which is completely surrounded by the former rebel. david piper is streaming live from tripoli. >> revolutionary commanders launched that 48-hour unilateral cease fire. that is so they can allow civilians still caught up in the fighting in gadhafi's hometown of sirte to get out of the revolution revolutionary commanders say if they don't give up, then they intend to flatten the town. already they've left a route open so that civilians can escape the fighting. there has been lots of cars stacked up at these rebel checkpoints to get them out of

town. there have been vigorous checks to make sure no weapons or high value targets are in the cars. there was one incident earlier today, doctors said a family of four were killed in their car. reports on the ground suggest that the family were killed by mortar fire from gadhafi's troops. but we can't confirm that at this time. rebel commanders say also they plan to link up between the east and the west of the town right into the center. at the moment, gadhafi loyalists hold about a three-mile stretch in the center of town, but rebel commanders are expecting if they do have to go in after this 48-hour cease fire, then they will face heavy fighting. gadhafi forces still hold many parts of the high ground, high-rise buildings, including snipers have been firing on revolutionary forces as they've been pushing in over the past week. it does seem now that there is a

chance that more civilians can get out of this fighting before eventually the rebel forces try to take gadhafi's hometown. back to you. >> gregg: david piper streaming live from tripoli. thanks very much. >> arthel: it is a four letter word, a four letter word that people in the northeast are sick of hearing. >> gregg: that's not the one i was thinking of. >> arthel: you just watch it, buddy. >> gregg: okay. >> arthel: it's rain, yes. we had some earlier here in new york today after some cities saw their wettest septembers on record. another slow moving system is spreading showers from maine to michigan. the system not likely to get out of the area until tomorrow night. maria molina, are you telling me i've got to put the hat on, the rain slicker, put on the rain boots, carry the umbrella? are you serious? >> yes, multi task. and sometimes it will be sunny during the day. so you'll need the sunglasses. so just gear up.

>> arthel: yes, ma'am. >> and basically temperatures are also very cool with this very same storm system. it's a slow area of low pressure bringing in air. look at some temperatures we'll be looking at heading into tonight. low in chicago at 39 degrees. that's in the city. if you look at some of the temperatures actually in the suburbs, they'll dip below that, near freezing. we are looking at the potential to actually see frost across parts of the great lakes, down in through areas as far south as tennessee. there is a number of frost advisories in effect across in region, and a freeze warning across central portions of the state of michigan. here is a look at the storm system bringing in rain across parts of west virginia, north down to new england, and guess what? there is also some snow with this storm system. two to four inches expected by early monday across the higher elevations of west virginia. otherwise that lingering rain, will keep things unsettled across the northeast not just for tonight, but into sunday and the first part of monday for parts of new england.

as far as high temperatures for tomorrow, not very warm. 51 will be your high in cleveland. 63 in chicago. complete opposite to what we're looking at areas further off to the west where 92 will be the high in rapid city. >> arthel: i'll take the fall-like temperatures over the 92 for sure. maria, thank you. >> gregg: the yanks and tigers got to get this in their game tonight. the trial of the doctor charged in michael jackson's death completes its very first week. jurors yesterday hearing from dr. cooper now. she is the emergency room doctor who treated the pop singer in the hospital. she says dr. conrad murray told her that he had given a dehydrated michael jackson a sedative. but says murray never mentioned the powerful anesthetic propothol which the coroner ruled later on played a major role in michael jackson's death. >> were you ever told at any point in time about any

medications by conrad murray other than the lorizapam? >> no. >> what was mr. jackson's condition upon arrival at ucla? >> his condition was as described by the paramedics. he was clinically dead. he did not have a pulse. the rhythm on the cardiac monitor was what i would call as wide, slow, heart rhythm. >> what does that mean? >> sign of a dying heart. >> gregg: michael jackson died of a drug overdose on june 25, 2009. dr. murray could get four years in prison and lose his medical license if convicted. >> arthel: still sad. okay. a texas-sized custody battle in the lone star state. a father fighting for custody of his son waging a court battle against the catholic charities. >> gregg: plus the biggest bank in america taking an even bigger bite out of your wallet.

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>> gregg: getting ready to start paying more just for spending your own money. yeah. bank of america announcing it's planning to charge a 5-dollar a month fee to customers for using their debit cards, saying it needs the money to make up for losses elsewhere. the move sparking a major backlash. >> if initially when i signed up for the account they told me that i wasn't going to have any fees, then i don't think they should be able to add it on. >> gregg: should bank of america first look for efficiencies in the way it does business before hitting its customers for more dough? that's dominic we're looking at there. a financial advisor and president of diversified financial consultants. good to see you. they said we're doing this because of dodd frank, the infamous legislation that was supposed to help customers. now it turns out is this the

unintended consequence of whenever the government butt noose your lives? >> it's exactly -- we've talked out this for years, that dodd frank came along, a strictly limited some of the things that banks could do. the overcharges, high interest rates, being late one day, the double billing cycles, and now the swipe fee. this the swipe fee used to be over 40 cents you used your car, the empty paid the bank. bank of america is going, we lost all this revenue, we have to make it up. >> gregg: in my town, just built a brand-new fancy bank. literally blocks from the other b of a bank which they're keeping open. we need another b of a banks within blocks of another one like i need a hole in my head. do these banks ever look at their efficiencies of operations instead of saying, we'll just keep doing these things and charge customers? >> the problem is that this particular source of revenue is so huge, over 500 million debit

cards in this country. we've really done a good job of teaching the consumer don't use that credit card. don't pay these interests. use a deb debit card. the consumer got the message, huge revenue source for bank of america. i think huge pr mistake. >> gregg: it may be because take a look at this. we'll put it up on the screen. this is a nonscientific poll on-line by the "washington post." look at this. will you change your money habits do to the new policy? 70%, i will no longer bank with b of a. 12%, i'll stick with them, but use cash more frequently. and so on. might be they've lost customers, the citigroup's gain because citigroup says hey, we're not going to impose this fee. >> city bank, and i think in a brilliant pr move, has come right out and said, we are not imposing this fee. also we talked about this in the past. go to your local credit union.

your local savings and loan. these banks are much more sensitive to your own financial situation and i think they will be more helpful. >> gregg: were smaller banks in addition to credit unions, there is an on-line bank called perk street. customers earn 2% cash back on their debit purchases and they have 1500 atms nationwide. pardon me, 37,000 atms throughout the country. >> look, and i'll just come back to the dodd frank amendment. there is a positive to this. let's maybe close on that. now the merchants are not paying these huge fees to the banks, right, maybe they can lower costs to us, the consumer. maybe they can use some of that tax savings to hire people instead of actually paying the fees from the banks. >> gregg: sovereign bank, debit card holders get up to 20% cash back on purchases at more than 1200 retailers. if sovereign bank can do this and give money to customers for

being their good customers, why can't b of a do it? >> it's us being a smarter consumer, you need to use your feet, walk out the door of bank of america. go to a competitor, do a little shopping on-line. listen to your great advice, gregg. you know what? they'll change their tune. they'll change their tune. >> gregg: vote with your feet. >> walk out the door. >> gregg: all right. while we're picking on bfa. the ceo will make $950,000 salary this year. that does not include the 9 million he's getting in -- and i love this phrase -- performance-based stock award. performance? i looked it up a couple of hours ago. the value of b of a stock dropped in half since moynahan was hired in january of 2010. it's trading at a paltry 7 and a quarter. you get 9 million for losing value for your company? where do i sign up? >> those stock options will be exercised at a given price. i don't know what that is, but i can pretty much guarantee you

that they're worryless at this point in the game. the price stock really tells you all that's going on with that company. >> gregg: dominic, good to see you. >> have a great day. >> arthel: i wrote it down. you said sovereign bank? >> gregg: sovereign bank. cash back, up to 20%. >> arthel: i got it. we want to tell you about a follow-up to a story that prompted a huge viewer response last week. you may recall courtney hunter, the texas dad whose ex-girlfriend gave up their son for adoption against his wishes. court records show that catholic charities took custody of the child in august. mr. hunter, the father, has been fighting to get custody ever since. this past week, the case has taken some sharp turns. reporter isaiah carey of fox affiliate, kriv in houston, has the latest. >> you're the biological father? >> it was last week when we sat down with courtney hunter, a man fighting catholic charitying for custody of his two-month-old son. >> it's overwhelming. it's a lot of pain, it's a lot

of -- imagine not being able to see your kid again for no reason. that your kid is just gone. it's hard. >> he says once he and his ex-girlfriend broke up in february, she promised to give their unborn son up for adoption against his wishes. according to court records, that was done in august. catholic charities took custody of the child. since that time, hunter has been fighting to get little courtland back. the catholic church sued him to terminate his parental rights. that's after he proved he was the father with a dna test. >> i brought them the information and they said that wasn't good enough, that i had to be the legal father. >> but now the birth mother has courtland again and we're not quite sure why and how. we met with her wednesday. she did not want to be on camera. the mother insists hunter showed no interest in caring for the baby. she says, quote, he never told me that to this day. he has never gave me a plan for

this child, never communicated to me ever. when asked why she won't give the child to the father who now says he wants to raise him, she says, absolutely not, because i'm still his mother. i'll care for my child. but hunter says just this past weekend, the birth mother somehow got the child from catholic charities and gave him to another houston family for adoption. however, the birth mother tells fox 26 it was only a temporary move and wouldn't say why she removed him from the catholic church in the beginning. >> she gave the child away to a couple and they seen your story and they got in contact with me and they told me that she said that i wasn't interested in the baby at all. >> that's when the birth mother got courtland back. but exactly where does catholic charities stand with the child now? that's a question we cannot get an answer to. these court records show the birth mother relinquished her rights back in august. but now that she has the child

back in her custody, she tells fox 26 she's not being spiteful by giving up the child. she says she already has two children and can't afford a third. but for now, she says she's keeping her son and she doesn't know what the future will hold as far as giving courtland up permanently. >> arthel: that was isaiah carey of kriv reporting there. so after his report last week, isaiah received a statement from catholic charities. it read in part: under texas law, the parental rights of both parents must be terminated in order for any child to be adopted. at the request of the mother, catholic charities filed suit seeking the termination of the right of both parents. the biological father wa served and filed a response to the lawsuit. the mother then changed her mind about placing the child for adoption and the child was returned to the mother on wednesday, september 20 of 2011. catholic charities instructed its lawyers on friday, september 23, which was before

your broadcast, to dismiss the lawsuit. that's the end of that quote from catholic charities. so the bottom line is, it's a very convoluted story. right now the child is in the mother's custody and we just got late breaking word from the reporter and isaiah spoke to mr. hunter, the father, who says catholic charities never notified him when they dismissed the lawsuit last week. in fact, isaiah himself was the one who told mr. hunter about the lawsuit in the first place. also a lot of you asked if there was a fund set up for mr. hunter. right now we don't know of any. but we will stay on top of this story and let you know if knew develops consider. >> gregg: first of all, it's a adorable child. you're right, under texas law and there is a law in most states, the legal standard is, biological parents have to legally waive their rights in order for an adoption to go through. then it's a question of what's in the best interest of the child. >> arthel: you just hate to see

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>> gregg: welcome back. time for top of the news. a major take down in afghanistan, nato says, it has

captured a senior member of the hakani network. >> arthel: fears of listeria in romaine lettuce sparking a recall in california. the company says it's voluntarily pulling back hundreds of cases of their chopped romaine lettuce. >> gregg: funeral services being held today for executed georgia inmate troy davis. more than 1,000 relatives and supporters gathering in savannah. davis insisted to the very end that he was innocent. >> arthel: it was a very scary sight at a carnival in australia. a plane crashes into a ferris wheel and amazingly, everyone walked away. two children on the ride did suffer minor injuries, but the crash could have been much worse. witnesses say the ferris wheel was packed with kids moments before the impact. most of those children had gotten off because of bad weather. the pilot says he simply didn't see the ride and he's thankful that no one was hurt. >> i didn't even see the ferris

wheel. i went straight into it. next thing i know, i was stopped inside of it. it's great no one got hurt. i had no idea for a few minutes. i was hoping no one got hurt. there was two kids off there i found out and i was panicking about them. nothing i could do. >> arthel: rescuers worked for hours to free those kids. the pilot and his passenger from the wreckage as well, and an investigation is underway. >> gregg: got extra cash? want to be a property owner? have we got a deal for you. rugged rocky island with a misunderstood name, called rat island, and it sits just offshore from new york's, the bronks, and it's up for auction. the winner could own in the middle of new york city an undeveloped oasis. oasis? who wrote that? it's a pile of rock. julie banderas is live in our new york city news room. >> i never called it an oasis. >> gregg: somebody did. >> the island is not infested

with rats, as it might suggest, considering the name. >> gregg: that's better. >> s if, however, an exclusive piece of property near new york city. no neighbors, no traffic, no noise. sounds perfect. no electricity and sewer lines either. yes, it is a rock. much of it, by the way, is under water at high tide. legend has it rat island, which dates back to the 1800s, you probably remember them, gregg, was named after prisoners called rats, escaping from the island, swimming with cardboard boxes over their heads to look like bobbing trash. its current owner, a retired marine contractor purchased the island in the '70s and used it to store equipment. unable to sell it, it's being auctioned off tomorrow. the highest bidder could some day, maybe call rat island home. >> i'm sure you could build something, a home if you wanted, have your wind generator and your view and peace and quiet, tranquility.

on the east side of the island is 60 feet of water, you can put your lobster trap right outside your front door. >> the city of new york assesses it at $260,000. it expects to sell 30 to 40% of that value. the winner inherits 1,000 to 2,000 in annual taxes and, of course, the bragging rights to say you own an island. >> it's ironic. it's a nice little island, but i think the only draw back to it is probably its name. yeah, i own an island, it's called rat island. it wouldn't gain that much attention that way. it is a nice little spot and he was right. you can catch good sunrises and sun sets from it. >> so far eight to 15 serious bidders have shown interest, like the vfw and a group of local fishermen. the auction committee will be held tomorrow at 1 p.m did i mention half the time it's under water? >> gregg: yeah.

>> that's also a draw back. >> gregg: yeah. bring your life vest if you're going to hang out on the island. wow. i think don't birds kind of congregate and leave their leftovers, their droppings? >> that happens anywhere on the water, gregg. come on. don't be a downer. >> gregg: you're a big sailor, aren't you. just for the record, you're older than i am. >> i was wondering if you were going to go there with her because she totally dissed you. >> gregg: julie methuselah band era. >> i've been called worse. >> arthel: all right. >> gregg: thank you. >> arthel: we're going to turn to presidential politics. no matter how many times new jersey governor chris christie says no, no, no for a run to the white house, prominent republicans want the new jersey governor chris christie to say yes, yes, yes. with all that love coming his

way, it could change. it could all change if he tosses his hat in the ring. as mike huckabee can attest. listen. >> i'll tell you something about being a candidate, the best day you have is the day before you actually announce because now does the press treat you as a new piece of meat in the counter, but then all of the people that were saying nice things about you, all those other candidates who said, well, he's a great guy, now they're going to come after you with everything they've got and they've had several months to prepare of how to sharpen the knives. >> arthel: now piece of meat on the counter? whoa. all right. here now, a democratic strategist and executive director of the american values institute. and matt, former white house political director under president george w. bush. good to see you. >> thanks. >> arthel: matt, this is all due respect to governor christie, before i ask this question. but is governor christie that awesome or are the republicans just that unhappy with the

current crew of the gop candidates candidates who are running? >> look, there is no question that the republican field is a little bit unformed. nobody has dominated this race yet. nobody has gotten such affront runner status -- front runner status that folks feel like we have an inevitable candidate. the second thing that's happening here is that president obama's numbers are so low, his gallup number this week is at 41%. he loses in the generic ballot with an unnamed republican by eight points. >> arthel: matt, if you've ever talked to me before, i'm gog ask to you stick to the point. i didn't ask you that because you're sitting here bashing president obama, which is fine, but i asked you specifically i need you to -- we'll get to the point then. >> the point is this: the reason why so many people looking at governor christie is because they view this as a wonderful opportunity to knock off the president and chris christie has done a fabulous job in new jersey.

it's hard to argue with his record. >> arthel: there is the answer. plain and simple. alexis, what specifically is in governor christie's record, as he is the top dog there in new jersey, that you think would be attractive to voters nationally? >> look, i'm a jersey girl. so i get chris christie. he's been direct. he's been a straight shooter. he's passionate. he's kind of exciting, which provides a really stark contrast to the really pandering that we've seen of the gop field to date. but in his record, i actually think there is real liability. this is a governor who has cut a trillion dollars out of education. he has cut money out of public transportation, which caused transportation fares and bus and rail to go up almost 50%. he has not given relief to seniors and disabled people on property taxes in new jersey. he's the highest property tax in the country. >> arthel: you're saying once he gets on the national stage, those types of stats will come

out and perhaps not play in his favor? >> yes. that's not a champion for middle class americans and those are the people who will really come out in droves both in the gop and across the board. i'm excited watching all the excitement about him. like i said, i'm a jersey guerrilla girl, but i don't see his allure in the larger race. >> arthel: matt, speaking of the allure of governor chris christie, he's kind of a no holds barred give it to them straight, no chaser kind of guy. he's got that permanent. popularity contest, personality does come into play. do you think his way about him will play fine out of the national political theater? >> i don't know. that's what really is yet to be seen. when you have these candidates presidential race, they get a lot of positive press, but nothing happens until you actual cece them running for president, taking the tough questions,

getting all the heat. so you don't really know what's going happen until it starts to happen. that's to be seen. >> arthel: that's to be seen. do you thin governor kristy could beat president obama if he were to become the gop candidate? >> no question. there are several people in this field if you look at the polls, who would be able to beat the president. >> absolutely. >> arthel: i got to go there. matt and alexis, thank you very much. good to see both of you. we'll see you next time. >> thank you. >> gregg: it is fast becoming a weapon of choice in the fight against terror. we're talking about the drone. decimating the ranks of terrorists. but it's not without controversy. the political drawbacks of this powerful weapon coming up next

a team of navy seals killed osama bin laden back in may, u.s. drone strikes have taken out a number of very important terror targets out of circulation, including yesterday's killing of

american-born cleric anwar al-awlaki. but as effective as these unmanned armed drones are, they don't exactly endear us to the civilian population in places like pakistan. here now to talk about it, fox news military analyst, major general robert scales. always good to see you. >> hi. >> gregg: in recent years, the u.s. has quadrupled the use of drone strikes against al-qaeda, especially in pakistan. and with tremendous success. are these armed drones the leading edge of robotic warfare? >> well, they are, gregg. what's most important, i think, in this program has been their incredible effectiveness. it's virtually impossible in a fail state to use judicial processes to take out leaders of al-qaeda. you can't go into yemen, arrest them and extradite them to the united states. whether u.s. citizens or not, they are a legitimate threat against the safety of americans, either in afghanistan or indirectly against americans in

the united states. so at home, there is no objection to these strikes. and as long as they are precise, deliberate, and directed against high value targets while there is rumbling overseas to be sure action gregg, so far the advantages far outweigh the disadvantages of this program. >> gregg: absolutely. their precision technology, very difficult to rain where boots can't get to and obviously it saves american military lives because they're not at risk. but i do want to talk to you a little bit about the international political down side. these drone strikes controversial for a long time in pakistan. they fuel anti-american sent images. but wouldn't those sentiments be worse, general, if we were forced to put more military boots on the ground instead of these drones up in the air? >> that's absolutely right. and it's important to emphasize that this administration in particular has gone out of its way to be very, very selective and very cautious, very discreet

and very precise of how these weapons are used. there have been mistakes in the past and it's raised the ire, particularly in pakistan among its citizens. but for the most part, once the strikes are over, this type of public resistance, if you will, is muted. en you compare and contrast that with the danger of getting special operating forces killed or captured inside someplace like pakistan, again, as i said before, the advantages are enormous. it's our technology. we develop it and we are being very, very successful with employing it. >> gregg: there are some in the u.s., civil liberties groups and others, and actually politician on both sides of the aisle, some, not a lot, who are saying look, killing an american citizen like this is an affront to our constitution and its protections. i realize you're not a lawyer, but you're a general. that's better experience in the real world of combat and battle and enemies. so what do you think of those

complaints about that? >> i think it's all bologna. look, this is not a judicial process. this is war. as long as these individuals have some imminent danger against americans either directly or indirectly, we are well within the bounds of international law by taking them out, whether they're u.s. citizens or not. u.s. citizens fought on the side of germany in world war ii. we had no problem with killing them. the international law is very clear on this. the administration, to their credit, have gone to extraordinary lengths, not only to prove this as a legitimate form of warfare even against american citizens, but to make their case to the american people. so far frankly, they've been very successful. >> gregg: you take up arms against the united states, you're an enemy combatant. doesn't matter what your citizenship is and you're allowed to be killed. it's a field of battle out there. >> you got it. particularly since 9-11. the globe is our battlefield now. that's the important point to make. >> gregg: great to see you.

thanks so much. >> thank you. >> arthel: people often choose a soup or salad as a healthy alternative. but not paying attention to what's in your meal could mean extra calories and hidden fat. smart foods swaps that could help you count those calories and cut them. sound too good to be true? good folks from "consumer reports" will show you just how to do it, coming up next [ male announcer ] heard this one? listen to this. three out of four americans don't get enough vegetables. so here's five bucks to help you buy v8 juice. five bucks. that's a lot of green. go to v8juice.com for coupons. you can count on us.

>> arthel: welcome back. when it comes to eating healthy foods, things are not always as they seem. >> gregg: shop smart magazine taking a look at popular packaged foods and finding huge differences even from the same manufacturer. >> arthel: here now, deputy editor at "consumer reports," shop smart magazine, sue perry. good to see you. >> hi. >> arthel: what do you have here? >> i have some healthier choices. i'm going to jump right in. >> gregg: let's start with the french toast. >> both are aunt jemima. one are prices, one are sticks. the healthier choice is the slices, which you may not know because you think it's french toast, but it makes a difference. 55% less fat in the slices than the sticks because the sticks are fried, which ups the fat. >> arthel: okay. >> the wish bone dressing, you would think these are identical. this is salad addressing,

something really healthy, eating salad is a healthy thing, but you have to be careful what you put on it as well. these are both italian dressings. this is the house and this is the mediterranean. the mediterranean has 50% less fat than the house dressing and our analysts looked at the labels and you say, they look exactly the same. this has eggs and parmesan cheese, which ups the fat. the point is, turn those labels over and do comparison shopping. soup. this is huge. >> gregg: i love this. clam chowder. >> both of these are manhattan clam chowder and they're both made by campbell. this is the select and this is the chunky healthy request. this one, healthy request, has 70% less fat than the other campbell. than the select. that is a huge, huge savings. >> arthel: again, which one is better? >> the chunky healthy request. that's a little tipoff. it's healthy request. >> gregg: it's got 130 calories.

>> 70%, that's huge. my favorite, mac and cheese, comfort food. these are both made by annie's, which is a popular brand. this is annie's deluxe, this is annie's home grown. and the tipoff here is creamy. creamy is code for fat. this one has 56% more fat than this one. this is the better health choice and this is -- get this -- this one has the creamy has 5 grams of saturated fat. >> arthel: the creamy has 330 calories and the other one has 280. >> this one has two grams of fat. so you saved yourself three grams of saturated fat by choosing this one. >> arthel: that is good news for sure. thanks for sharing. we want to let everybody know, we mentioned the listeria recall on the lettuce.

>> gregg: it's leaf, true leaf farms is the recall. >> arthel: thank you. good to see you. >> thank you. >> gregg: it's been a lot of fun. that will do it for us. >> arthel: the fox report with harris faulkner is up next. stay tuned for that. >> gregg: have a great weekend. [ bartender ] the coolest thing about sam adams is that they put out beers according to seasons. [ jim ] we have samuel adams winter lager, noble pils, summer ale and octoberfest. [ bob ] octoberfest is an american interpretation of a german marzen style. it showcases five varieties of malt. [ jim ] a maltiness that's clean, sweet, smooth. if it's starting to get a little cold outside, then it's time for octoberfest. octoberfest is my personal favorite. sam adams octoberfest -- it says fall to a "t."

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