russia today books you. "fox & friends" starts right now. >> roseanne barr talking about chopping people's heads off? >> right. >> that's coming up in about -- >> one of which she is. >> very rich person. >> about an hour ago, we saw some pretty dramatic things happening in italy. >> we did. we have to start with a fox news alert out of italy. convicted murderer amanda knox fighting back tears as she pleads for her freedom in an italian appeals court. >> now, she must wait for an italian jury to decide if she'll be acquitted for the murder of british student meredith kercher in 2009. >> the make-up of that jury i find fascinating. greg burke is live and knows everything about italy and this case. how effective was she?

well, she was actually quite good. it's very interesting. she looked exhausted and you can understand that, if this is decision day with a matter of eight or 10 hours, she should be learning what her fate is. now, amanda was choking up as she made her case and quite a convincing one to the jury in the original trial, she didn't seem capable of making a short declareative sentence saying i didn't do it. she said i didn't kill. i didn't rape. she also says that she is not the one they make her out to be as she was called by a lawyer this week, a she devil last week. now, the other defendant told he was also pretty good in talking to the jury although he was reading from a script. he looked terrified and has clearly been shaken by all that time in jail. both of them have now been four years in jail. now, it's been a fascinating case. and it's really gripped people both in the united states and alternatives in the united kingdom where it's known more for the victim, the murder of meredith kercher, much less

interest in amanda knox but in the victim, her family is expected to come for the verdict. finally, we are expecting that verdict not before 8:00 p.m. tonight local. that would be noon eastern. that's what the judge says. it will be six people on the jury and two judges, last time it came around midnight, so it could be a very long day. >> is it true, greg, it's majority? they need a majority decision? but let me ask you, are the judges' decision worth more than the jurors that were selected? >> you're right about both things. the main judge, there are two judges and six on the jury, it is majority decision and the main judge gets two votes. so actually, i was talking to some criminal lawyers here in town and they say the key people on this are actually the judges. that may bode well for the knoxes because this judge did allow that review of the d.n.a. evidence and that's been considered very favorable for the defense. >> of greg burke live from

italy. there's a story out there as well that apparently some warnings show or network has a jet out at the local airport ready to take her away as soon as she's freed if that happens. >> they boxed up her stuff already. so i guess they're anticipating you're out of here. >> a good verdict. >> we'll wait and see how that all transpires today. meantime, couple of other headlines this morning. the reports were wrong. it turns out, unfortunately, that al-qaida's chief bomb maker was not killed in that drone strike in yemen that killed terror leader anwar al-awlaki on friday. both u.s. and yemeni officials say ibrahim al-lasiri is still alive. it's believed he made the bomb used bit underwear bomber. defense secretary leon panetta is in israel at this hour where he issued this warning to the israelis. >> at this dramatic time in the middle east where there have been so many changes, it is not

a good situation for israel to become increasingly isolated and that's what's happening. >> panetta will be meeting with israeli and palestinian leaders to try to restart peace talks. he's also expected to urge the israelis to improve relations with egypt and turkey. severe turbulence on two separate flights force emergency landings at boston's logan airport. at least nine people were hurt on a jet blue flight from puerto rico to boston. the other plane was a luftansa found originated in charlotte bound for germany. 11 people hurt on that flight. more explosive testimony expected at the manslaughter trial of michael jackson's doctor. on the stand first, an emergency room doctor who gave paramedics permission to pronounce jackson dead in his home. several of conrad murray's girlfriends are expected to testify they were on the phone with him shortly before the pop star stopped breathing. several girlfriends? those are your headlines. i hope that wasn't a misprint.

maybe he did have several girlfriends at the same time. >> there you go. he's king of pop. let's talk about what's going on down on wall street lower manhattan here and across the country as well. it's called occupy wall street and now, i was up in boston this weekend and they had occupy boston. there were 1,000 people. >> you were protesting? >> i was just driving by. i was trying to get to supper. and 1,000 people were between me and a steak dinner. anyway, protests now spreading out not only in new york but boston, occupy columbus, ohio, occupy chicago, occupy l.a., occupy providence, rhode island as well. >> what's their message? >> they don't know! >> corporate greed, that's what it is. social inequity. global climate change and there's a protest going on in washington, d.c. as well. i mean, the bottom line, here's what one of the people says. the bottom line is the feeling that the financial industries here onall street have caused the economic problems and they're not contributing their fair share to solving them. that's pretty much the thesis of

the group's reasoning for why they are out there in all of these different cities right now. >> and most of them are young, we understand, it's been about 15 straight days and now we understand the unions have begun to back them up in various cities across the country. >> here in the city, twu local 100, in fact, supports the protesters and they got really angry that yesterday when they had this mass arrest of a bunch of people on the brooklyn bri j bridge, the cops commandeered a couple of buses and made the twu members drive them to the bus station. that's out of line. in addition, a number of tea party people have shown up to support these guys both groups are fed one the status quo and a couple of celebrities. here's susan sarandon and michael moore. >> our arab brothers and sisters get way ahead of us and changing things. >> i'm glad that fox is here. fox is here!

there is a god in heaven! >> is it raining? >> it looks like it was hot. very, very hot. >> what's amazing, too, he's saying fox is here and susan sarandon is comparing to the arab spring. arab spring is trying to thwart the shackles of centuries of oppression, ok? we don't like -- >> they want democracy. >> maybe some of those people there are upset the earth is getting hot according to them. one degree. or, perhaps, that wall street was less than fair in 2008. this is the slowest developing protest i've ever seen but it is gaining momentum. >> some people are also figuring out that while these protesters are out there and supporting president obama as he moves towards re-election even though he got a lot of his donations from wall street people. they're using some of the technology that maybe they don't necessarily like these companies that they've developed like computers and laptops and it seems to be sort of a confusing argument. i get what they're saying about

the -- the wealth. not that i'm agreeing with it. i understand that that's their argument but it's slightly disingenuous. >> it's a little muddled. and speaking of muddled, listen to this. roseanne barr took part in one of the occupy wall street protests and then she showed up on television and she talked a little bit about how the people down on wall street and across the country who have made a lot of money, how they -- how they have an opportunity to pay it back and if they don't, get out the goullitine, listen. >> i would allow the guilty bankers the ability to pay back anything over $100 million personal wealth. because i believe in a maximum wage of $100 million and if they're unable to live on that amount, then they should, you know, go to the reeducation camps and if that doesn't help, then be beheaded. >> i heard of honing your message for the audience but does she feel that's going to get her maximum ratings from her

chief rival on russia today. how does russia today get roseanne barr's number or are they now getting her sitcom? to my question is i know she's a comedienne or used to be. >> i think she was being funny. >> she's looking to cap wealth which is interesting. and she's looking to behead bankers. >> my question is why do we care what roseanne barr says? why do we give so much attention to these celebrities and what they say, susan sarandon down there, michael moore, roseanne barr. most american people don't wake up in the morning and say i wonder what roseanne barr said today about beheading capitalists. >> especially since the orange county housewives haven't weighed in on this yet. >> beware, one of them are going to be on "the apprentice" now and here we go. >> she was talking about the super wealthy. this made headlines on saturday morning but warren buffet did take a shot at the white house. he said, you know, i wasn't talking about beam who make

$200,000 or above. he doesn't want taxes raised on people making a million. not even $50 million. he says the super rich, the ultrarich. people who make like -- well, he didn't even say. >> all three of them. >> he said there are 50,000 people in the country who should have their taxes raised. not what the president and white house are talking about. >> something that could affect our lives on a daily basis is the war on terror and vice president dick cheney was back on the talk shows again and he congratulated president obama for being tough on terrorists. i mean, we have to say that, that certainly this administration has been very serious. they took out usama bin laden and now they took out al-awlaki on friday so, you know, hats off to this very serious effort to get rid of the terrorists across this nation but at the same time, the vice president said that president obama now owes president bush an apology for

striking back at his way of h d handling the war on terror when he was in the white house. >> the obama administration has clearly reached a point where they've agreed they need to be tough and aggressive in defending the nation and using some of the same techniques that the bush administration did and they need to go back and reconsider some of the criticisms they offered about our policies over the years, past years. >> and the speech in cairo is one of the key things, we've gotten away from our ideals and values, direct shot at bush and basically, we're taking out terrorists in other countries and going to the extreme to do it. he said there's no difference in taking out al-awlaki and capturing an al-qaida terrorist and using enhanced interrogation. >> because of the whole idea that al-awlaki was a u.s. citizen and there may be legal challenges but very interesting comparison. it's a very interesting comparison. >> and he's the only one that can do it and chooses to do it.

president bush did not speak up for himself. that's his personal choice is. he tried to kill president ronald reagan and now his sentence could be cut short? >> yep. >> then he inspired terrorists around the world but now that american cleric anwar al-awlaki is dead. will his followers come back for revenge? that's the next question and that's next on this monday "fox & friends." [ male announc ] cranberry juice? wake up! ♪

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jack keene. what does this mean in the big picture? we like this guy is gone. what does it mean for the fight? >> listen, he really is a key leader. leadership makes a difference in any organization. certainly does in al-qaida. to take out this american english speaking jihadist who had a voice to the west and influence proportionally so that is very significant. in a sense, he became the face of al-qaida after bin laden was killed. so this is some major setback for them. they're not going to recover immediately from this. it's an idealology, they remain dangerous but they are largely a defensive organization now looking out for their own survival compared to what they used to be. >> and now looking to fight that war in the arab peninsula, right in the yemen-saudi border, to fight that war in yemen, in somalia, in that region, drones are the only way? >> we have special operations forces who also operate there on

the ground in concert with local commandos and local army forces so it's a concerted inner agency effort, this war that we're fighting. the central intelligence agency plays a large role but so does special operations and other intelligence agencies like the national security agency. >> everybody knows that you have a very close relationship with general petraeus and everyone, i hope, knows your key role in the surges in iraq and possibly afghanistan, you were really worried when the president announced his new plan forward in afghanistan. how is this playing out? >> well, i think our forces are significantly handcuffed by this premature withdrawal of the surge forces and not able to keep the level of forces at the approximate level they're at now through next year's fighting season, i think the overall mission is put at risk so unnecessarily by that withdrawal so prematurely so i'm very concerned about it. >> you have a big news over the

weekend, too, overwhelmed by al-awlaki's killing but the capture of a key haqqani leader and now everyone is saying who is this haqqani network and why have they been so lethal to exist in afghanistan. we're fighting against three people, the pakistan isi, the taliban and the haqqani network. >> we've turned the situation against the taliban in the south to our favor. we have all the momentum there now and that's due to the surge forces and what they've been doing for the last 18 months. the effort that's unfolding in front of us is the main effort against the haqqani network, operates east of kabul to the pakistan border and out of a sanctuary in pakistan. they will get disproportionate amount of our attention and that's why you're going to see more contact with haqqanis and more capturing and killing of their leaders. this will be a tough fight for the next year and a half that we'll be dealing with these guys. >> and you predict -- do you

suggest that we cannot win in that terror group is allowed to exist? >> well, there's no doubted about that, if we don't bring them to the negotiating table as a result of the force we're putting on them, the war gets protracted over time and by that, i mean, beyond the political will that we have to support it. and that's where the mission risk is associated. >> general, thanks so much. >> ok. good talking to you. >> have a great week. next up on the rundown, mccain and christie ticket. it's all the buzz right now. is it indeed possible? our washington insiders are up next with the scoop. and then views of the sun like you've never seen before. incredible photographs taken from gretchen carlson's telescope. she must have the hubble. my name is ron orsini,

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>> 23 minutes after the top of the hour. quick headlines for you on this monday morning. stocks are tanking around the world this morning after more bad news from greece. today, the greeks admitted they won't meet their deficit reduction targets raising fears that the country won't get bailout money. wall street futures also pointing south. strap yourselves in. and new details on last month's air show crash in west virginia. a preliminary report found no parts of the 1950's airplane fell off before it slammed into the ground killing the pilot. cause for the crash expected in six to nine months. gretch? >> herman cain continues to gain momentum. he just won the republican

women's convention straw poll with 48.9% in the vote in illinois. rick perry and mitt romney came in a distant second and third. with chris christie stealing the spotlight now, could we be looking at a very different two person race? >> it shows that the voice of the people is much more powerful than the voice of the media. as you know, some in the media outlets have been trying to make the republican contest a contest between two people, two governors. but people say something different. something that came out of that, message is more powerful than money. they spent a lot of money trying to influence that straw poll vote. we rented a bus. >> for a closer look, let's ask mark kennedy and christie sesker is a former spokesperson for howard dean. fair and balanced here. let me start with you. i know you have a personal history at least in the company that you worked for with herman cain. >> yes, i used to work with herman cain at pilsbury and he was well respected back then and

he really brings the business leadership that i think people are looking for. >> and so in your mind, his surging in the polls is a real deal? >> i think it's a real deal because he has that appeal of being an outsider. he has the appeal of having run a business and he's being very specific, frankly more specific on the big issues like how do we grow jobs and medicare than the frontrunners right now? >> christie, your assessment of the fact that, you know, we're seeing sort of this ying and yang going on in the polls. isn't that the way politics is supposed to be? it makes it all exciting. >> yeah, sure but the fact that the two most buzz worthy candidates in the race right now is someone who said he's not a candidate, chris christie and somebody who has been seen as a protest candidate to this point in herman cain shows the extreme weakness of the republican field right now and the terrible discomfort that they have with mitt romney as a potential nominee. >> yeah. >> i think it's too early in the race to maybe say it's a done deal but is it too late for chris christie?

i want you to listen to john mccain. of course, he knows what it's all about to get into the race and he has these words of advice for chris christie. >> the swimming pool looks a lot better until you jump right in. the water may not be quite as warm as you think. >> congressman, is that going to be a problem for chris christie if he does decide to get into the race? a lot of people are saying we don't necessarily know all his views on certain issues and maybe he won't be as popular until we find out. >> the grass is always greener on the other side, no doubt. once you jump into the race, there will be an increased amount of scrutiny. that will factor into christie's decision. >> what do you think about that? >> i think the republicans need to accept this is a field that they've got and in the words of the song "love the ones they're with." look, there's only three months until people actually start voting. that's very little time to raise an effective amount of money, to get ballot access in 50 states or do any of the number of things one needs to do to run an effective campaign for

president. >> do you agree with that? do you think that the biggest thing against chris christie right now is time? >> well, that is an issue but i think the real issue is the reason that we haven't coalesced on a frontrunner is that both cain and christie have been more specific on jobs, on medicare, how they're going to reform that than either romney or perry and i think it's really more important that we have a specific focus on those issues and a plan that the people will buy into. >> all right. of course, romney did have a jobs plan. we're waiting on governor perry for that. mark kennedy, christie sesker, thanks so much for your time today. >> thanks for having us. >> we'll have g.o.p. presidential candidate herman cain. he will be on "fox & friends" tomorrow. he's written a new book and still in that race surging in the polls. in the meantime, he tried to kill president ronald reagan. now government doctors say he deserves to go free. will that happen? and he conquered cancer and then kilimajaro and six other

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>> all right. you're beautiful shot of the morning, the sun like you've never seen it before. nasa releasing stunning x-ray and ultraviolet images of the sun taken from the solar dynamics observatory. a satellite about the size of the car orbiting 22,000 miles above either. it's on a five year $865 million mission to help scientists understand the inner workings and movements of the sun. >> those pictures cost us half a billion dollars? they better be cool. >> i think they're finding out a little bit more than just taking pictures, we hope. >> yeah, indeed. let's take a look at your headlines on this monday morning. tv pitchman don lefray found dead in a jail cell. it appears he took his own life. he was awaiting trial in arizona on federal fraud and money laundering charges. he was accused of swindling more than 200,000 people out of nearly $52 million.

prosecutors say he was selling worthless vitamins. >> all right. so he's gone. a government-run mental hospital reported looking to release john hinckley jr., the gunman who tried to assassinate president reagan. hinckley has been at st. elizabeth's hospital since he was found not guilty by reason of insanity. hospital officials want to put him on convalescent leave so he can live near his mommy in virginia. prosecutors are asking a court not to release him saying he's still dangerous. the hearing on this case begins november 28th. >> bernie madoff's relatives not likely to face charges. that according to sources close to the case. ponzi schemer's brother, son and niece have been under investigation for three years now and the decision to file charges was expected by the end of the summer. madoff says his family knew nothing about his scam. he's serving a sentence of 150 years. >> andy rooney getting the last word on "60 minutes."

the 92-year-old tv legend signing off after 33 years on the job. >> and all this time, i've been paid to say what is on my mind on television. you don't get any luckier in life than that. i don't say this often but thank you. although if you do see me in a restaurant, please, just let me eat my dinner. >> rooney says he's not retiring. he plans to keep writing and making occasional appearances on "60 minutes." >> whatever you do, when you see him on the street, don't ask for an autograph. >> evidently, he's not too nice. >> right. >> that's what he said. >> it was a great day of football leading to a sunday night clash. jets and ravens, you can leave now, turn your head. jets up. takes the kickoff 107 yards and says take that, ravens. we're really good! we're really, really good. but then they had to play football again after that run back didn't go well. mark sanchez was abysmal. second quarter, he fumbles. and then the interception.

brought the baltimore ravens just went up too much, 27-7. look at that hit. and that's going to hurt. certainly sends you to the chiropractor. jets lose 34-17. now, it's time for the best of sunday. yesterday's biggest comeback, well, the detroit lions came back against gretchen's vikings last week. here's the encore. down 24 points to the cowboys. they complete the massive turn around. calvin johnson, stafford grew up in arlington. final score is 30-24. tony romo, another turnover. finds johnson again at the end. lions would win by a final score of 34-30. baseball playoffs and the tigers looking to even their series against the yankees. ok, they would. the bronx, cabrerra got detroit off to a great start. he loves the pressure, who can doubt him? down the line and gone. 2-0 tigers. 4-0 in the eighth when curtis granderson tries bringing the yankees back. a solo shot makes it 4-1.

but it would not be enough. stops the yankee rally in the nineth. tigers win 5-3. series tied at one game a piece and justin verlander stands awaiting the yankees. in the national league, cardinals and phillies. cardinals stage a big comeback. walk away with the 5-4 victory. now the yanks are glad they didn't get him. now what's coming up on radio between 9:00 and noon. trent lott, we open up with a station in mississippi today. all will be joining us for three hours. >> i think the yankees still wish they would have gotten cliff lee. >> i don't think so. totally changed their mind. >> just as a footnote. >> they got freddie garcia. >> at the age of 13, shawn swarner got devastating news. he had advanced stage four hodgkin's disease and only had months to live. incredibly, he beat those odds but three years later, shawn was diagnosed with another form of cancer. >> doctors said he would not live. once again, he defied the odds,

brian. >> now, he is telling people you know what? you're wrong again. he just became the first cancer survivor to climb the seven summits the world, co-founder of the cancer climbers association back with us fresh off his fifth trip to mount kilimajaro. congratulations. >> thank you. thank you. >> does it ever become old hat? >> you know, it doesn't. it's so beautiful up there, you know, i didn't see you up this year. next year. >> we were busy. >> we were at the top and tired of waiting for you. >> we were trying to set up a live feed with you and just for technical difficulties, it didn't work out. so tell us about the trip and why you take people on these trips? >> we take people on the trips as a fundraiser for the cancer climber association that my brother and i founded. but it's so beautiful up there and people have to go up and see, a, the glaciers before they melt. they're going to be gone i'm guessing within the next seven to 10 years, but otherwise, if you look at the pictures there, it's one of the most magical places on earth.

>> we don't mind visiting. it's getting there that kind of throws me. how do you get there? >> well, you hop on a plane and you go to africa to get there. >> and? >> when you get to africa, you get to go on a six day climb, an endurance hike. it's not really a climb. but after that, we go on a five day safari. >> but you're taking survivors with you, right? >> anybody can go. we have a handful of survivors that go every year. >> what is the analogy between surviving cancer and then being inspired to take on this kind of a task? something that most people will never accomplish in their life. >> right. there's an uncanny resemblance to climbing and surviving cancer and going through cancer. a, it's an uphill battle and there's a difference between climbing and fighting for your life. when you're fighting for your life, you don't have a choice to give up. you have to continue forward. you have to keep climbing. on the mountain, if something goes wrong, you can regroup and go back. you know, but on the mountain, if there's bad weather, you can retreat and the mountain is

always been there. it will always be there. your life may not be. you have to continue to keep climbi climbing. >> i would imagine the first time when you were told you were going to die within a number of weeks, twice in a row, you go to one of the tops of the seven summits and said this is fantastic. i have to do all of them. >> i'm not quite sure what was in my mind. >> i shouldn't be here to see this. >> right, it was amazing because, you know, when i got to the top of everest, you know, first cancer survivor to climb everest, i was up on the summit and i was up so high, i could see the curvature of the earth. i put a flag on the top of everest of people that had been touched by cancer. they're my hope and they're my inspiration. >> you're going to go back. this was your seventh trip to kilimajaro, you're going to go again next year. if people would like to tag along, you have a little time, you want to go out to africa and up to the top, go to our web

site, and we'll link up to yours. >> sounds perfect. >> great to have you back. >> you do this with one lung. >> absolutely. i have one big bulldog lung. >> you're an inspiration to many people. the government wants to shake the salt out of your diet. is that their job or up to you? a fair and balanced debate is on menu next. >> courtney friel goes one on one with wayne newton and they're talking about more than music. >> really? >> he's already got -- >> what are they talking about? what are you talking about? >> they're picking the president. >> all right.

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>> if you're just getting up, thanks for watching "fox & friends" this morning. couple of headlines. more inspections expected today on the washington monument. they're scouring the building now for damage from the earthquake in august. friday's heavy winds blew an inspector 30 feet away from the side of that monument. breast cancer survivor lori dorn said the agency humiliated her during a patdown. she had a medical card explaining her situation but agents refused to let her retrieve it. steve? >> oh, yeah. your food could soon be getting a little blander. feds are trying to figure out ways to shake the salt right out of your diet. and that begs the question -- is it the government's role to regulate what we eat or should we decide that ourselves? for a fair and balanced debate, we're joined by the president of the salt institute, i think we know where she comes down on this.

and certified health counselor mimi roth. good morning to both of you. >> good morning. >> let's start with you. why is the government cracking down on salt right now? why are they trying to regulate what we -- >> because they have an agenda that goes beyond science. they're not basing this on science. >> what's the agenda? >> the agenda seems to be to exert some control over industry in almost every realm that we see. and the biggest problem with salt is that we can actually prove that they're in violation of the law as it comes to the dietary guidelines on sodium. they're in violation because the preponderance of scientific evidence is not being followed and the law says they must follow the preponderance of the scientific evidence. >> i understand that if you actually followed what the government wanted you to intake with salt, you would have a big deficiency and you could be more unhealthy. >> right. you have to have over 3400 milligrams of salt a day to be healthy and below 3400 milligrams, bad things start to happen to your body.

isn't quite true. the real issue is about transparency. people want to know what is and isn't healthy. if you sit down to a meal, you want to know it's safe. if something has three days of salt in it, you need to know that. you might get a warning. >> i would rather -- i think i'd rather hear from grandma, i put too much salt in it. than the government. >> it's homemade, that's true. when you sit down at a restaurant, it may have two or three days worth of salt, and you wouldn't know that. >> a lot of restaurants have the content of calories and sodium and stuff like that right up on the wall but now the government is saying, ok, you can only have a certain amount and no more than that. >> we want people to know what is and isn't safe. if you're healthy and young, a little less than a teaspoon a day is great but for most people who are not caucasian or who are 51 or older or have diabetes, about half a teaspoon is much safer. so really, it's, you know, and a lot of times it's not how much you're adding with this, again, it's what you're buying at the store at a restaurant. you have no idea really how much salt is in there.

>> that's not based on scientific evidence. >> scientific evidence especially in recent years, we know this. that if you get below the normal, safe, natural range of sodium consumption which most people crave naturally, then you're at a higher risk for cardiac arrest. you're at a higher risk for diabetes and -- >> and why, lori? below a healthy amount? but you are at risk when you have too much. we know that it's related to high blood pressure and could lead to high blood pressure, of course, could lead to stroke. so no one is suggesting an unsafe low amount. what people want to know -- >> i think they are. >> actually the government is actually recommending between 1500 and 2300 milligrams a day. >> because most people -- auto union heard of in the world. >> no one in the world eats that little amount of salt. the average in the world is about 3600 milligrams a day so natural, normal range of consumption, the average in the entire world is about 3600 milligrams a day. >> the average person isn't sitting down to denny's for a

meal. the american nation is. 3/4 of our disease is preventable, based on lifestyle. salt is an easy area where people can reduce it a little bit and have an impact. and save not only a lot of heartbreak. let's be clear who pays your paycheck, the salt institute. >> we pointed that out. >> these are peer reviewed, scientific studies that show the opposite of what the government is telling us. >> are you saying most physicians don't disagree with you? >> i'm going back to reviewed science and this is what we know -- >> peer reviewed science shows us and even the president -- the past president of the american society of hypertension and the current editor of the journal of hypertension says the government must stop this because they -- >> stop what? >> the move to regulate salt -- >> telling us how much salt to have in your food. >> because the scientific evidence does not support it. that's not me and that's not my industry. that's the former president of the american society of hypertension who says that peer reviewed studies do not support this war. >> people need a special degree

to have a safe meal. if it's not safe, they need to be warned. that's my point. >> they should be warned or the government needs to mandate that, of course, is what people are upset about. lori and mimi, thank you very much for joining us live. great debate. >> thanks so much. >> what do you think? e-mail us, friends at foxnews.com. as we told you at the top of the hour, dick cheney says the obama administration owes the bush folks an apology. what do the bush folks think? we'll talk to former bush spokesperson dana perino. she's live next. and then one on one with wayne newton. our own courtney friel sits down with mr. l vegas and he's talking presidential politics. almost tastes like one of jack's als. fiber one. h, forgot jack cereal. [ jack ] what's for breakfast? um... try the number one!

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>> for more than 50 years, wayne newton has been moonlighting on the strip of las vegas. >> he played that music so we would get up and dance. i knew that would be a no. so courtney friel just got back from sin city and able to get a seat at the piano next to mr. las vegas himself. did you also dance? >> we did not dance but i got a tour of casa day shenandoah. that's on foxnews.com. you'll have to check that out. >> he named his complex. >> he did. there's 52 acres, there's walla bys and sloths. he's going to be 70 years old and he's been performing since he was 15 years old and as you mentioned, two years ago, he had his 50th anniversary entertaining in las vegas. i wasn't sure to expect. i totalled love the guy. he's awesome.

here's part of our conversation. take a look. >> you have performed for over 40 million people worldwide. how do you keep reinventing yourself? >> it's the people who reinvent me, reinvention comes from them, not me. and that is my desire to entertain them. >> ♪ las vegas >> you've had 165 albums. are you working on anything new? >> we are working on a new one. and it's going to be called wayne newton & friends. >> you were on "dancing with the stars." do you have any advice for the new cast? >> it's one of the most difficult things i have ever encountered. i loved every second of it. and i'd do it again. go out there and have fun. >> and you've done so much with the uso. what does that experience mean to you? >> when we're able to bring just a touch of home to these young men and women throughout the world, it gives me a reason to wake up in the morning. >> i know it's he remember but is there anyone you would like to see jump in the presidential race?

>> i would fire them all and start over. it's time that these politicians remember that they were elected by the people. they are not our leaders, they are our employees. start acting like it. >> i think it's time for wayne newton to run for president. >> what is your favorite food? >> steak. >> that's what every man says. >> are you into gadgets? >> no, ma'am. i'm not. i do not have a cell phone. i don't tweet. i don't do any of those things. in fact, i thought that was a dirty word the first time i heard it. >> and i'm sure america wants to know if you're a fan of justin bieber. >> i know justin bieber has the talent to survive. it's going to be whether he's able to transition from the teen idol to the adult performer. >> wayne also loved "fox &

friends", y'all. >> thank you so much. now, will he be offended that i tweeted that he was coming up on the show? >> he would not -- >> no, no. and actually, he does have someone that tweets for him. but hey, if you guys want to check out casa de shenandoah. he's trying to make it grace land west. he's invested all this money, he's building a museum so you can take tours. it is a zoo there. >> we will look forward to it. thanks so much. >> good job. meanwhile, straight ahead, should the obama administration apologize to the bush administration for saying it overreacted to 9/11? dick cheney says yes. what about dana perino? we'll ask her at the top of the hour. >> are you ready for some football? are you ready for some football? how about and politics. hank williams jr., the voice of monday night football here next. even though i'm a great driver and he's... not so much.

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>> good morning. hope you had a great weekend. i'm gretchen carlson. thanks for sharing your time. this morning, the american college student got a chance to have her voice heard and she was begging for a second chance. >> another big weekend, another big victory. herman cain is raising cane across the u.s. are we looking at the frontrunner now? we're going to report, you decide and balance the books. >> meanwhile, john mccain has advice for chris christie. >> the swimming pool looks a lot better until you jump right in. the water might not be quite as warm as you think. >> he's talking about the deep end, should he heed the warning and not jump into the pool? "fox & friends" hour two starts right now. >> good morning, everyone. hope you had a fantastic weekend.

let's kick off our second hour of "fox & friends" with a fox news alert. amanda knox pleading for her frood only. she got choked up this morning as she proclaimed her innocence in front of the court. she and her former boyfriend were accuse of murdering exchange student meredith kercher but d.n.a. evidence casts serious doubt over the case against knox. a verdict expected later today. guess what? the reports were wrong. it turns out al-qaida's chief bombmaker was not killed in the drone strike in yemen that killed the terror leader anwar al-awlaki on friday. both u.s. and yemeni officials both say that he is still alive. it's believed that he made the bomb used by the underwear bomber and the explosives shipped in printer cartridges last year. severe turbulence on two separate flights force emergency landings at boston's logan airport. at least nine people hurt on a jet blue flight. this one was from puerto rico to boston and the other plane was a flight originating in charlotte

bound for germany. 11 people hurt on that flight. a heartwarming story about a marine reservist's dedication to his fallen comrades. sergea sergeant jerod hammond went back into battle to search for smith's ring who died in battle. he found it and gave it to his widow, april. she plans to wear it on a necklace so it can be close to her heart. >> 2 minutes after the top of the hour and i'll tell you what, there's a lot going on. ask dana perino. >> let's do it. >> welcome back. i know you're getting ready for "the five" in about 10 hours. this will be a good warmup for you. her m herman cain goes to illinois and wins a straw poll. he was the only one to show up in person. do you think that has anything to do with his incredible win? >> absolutely.

herman cain is practicing retail politics like no one else that i can remember in recent memory. when we were at the villages one of the things i heard from some of the spectators there is they liked herman cain because he came to see them. he came to talk to them and not only did herman cain win the illino illinois straw poll, this weekend he won the republican women's straw poll so i think there's a little bit more here than meets the eye and i know that he's going to be in new york today and he's going to meet with trump and he's going to meet with our own sean hannity and be on your show tomorrow. so he's -- let's just say success agrees with him. >> he is on a tear. >> he's got a book out, too. >> he does and we'll talk to him about that. you just mentioned our visit to the villages two weeks ago. where he did win the florida straw poll. yesterday, he was on the chris wallace show and he talked a little bit about why he won florida. here's 24 seconds of explanation. >> it shows that the voice of the people is much more powerful than the voice of the media. as you know, some in the media

outlets have been trying to make the republicans contest between two people, two governors. the people said something differently. but the second main thing that came out of that. message is more powerful than money. they spent a lot of money trying to influence that straw poll vote. we rented a bus. >> what do you think? is message more important than money? >> it's proving to be in this case. and this election, unlike any other, you have a -- this social media component of a campaign which is not that expensive. and also remember, brian, he had a radio show for a long time so that set him up with popularity because, as you know, your show is called "kilmeade & friends." when you have a radio show and people listen to you every day, you get to be like their friend so a lot of people knew about herman cain without having to run for political office because he had a platform in which he talked about his positions every single day on their radio. >> brian, are you ready to announce anything? >> yes, by the power vested for me, i'd like to resign from my radio show and run for

president. >> let me ask dana about chris christie because chris christie is going to potentially jump into the race. what do you make of this, dana? so many people are saying hey, it might be a great idea. other people like john mccain is saying the water is maybe a little colder once you take the plunge. what do you think? >> we've been waiting for a long time so find out if chris christie would or would not, for many months, he has said, i will not. i'm not ready. i am not prepared. however, huge difference between governor christie and john mccain in this respect. the republican party does traditionally nominate the next person in line to be the candidate they're going to nominate for the presidential election. in this case, governor christie has actually been recruited and pushed and asked to run by all sorts of people and as our own bill crystal who is editor of "weekly standard" and fox news contributor has been writing for months, this isn't about you, chris christie. this is about america and what is needed in terms of leadership and he thinks he has what it takes. mccain is right.

that it might look inviting when you're looking at it from the outside but once you jump in, it's going to be a huge fight. and we already saw attacks over the weekend, even over his weight coming from the left. >> here's what "the wall street journal" is saying. they say the after glow of nancy reagan's flattery has been replaced with the reality of building state by state organizations and the abdication of his daily job to do so. it's been an intensely personal decision between he and his family. all the people supporting governor christie, make them take $50 million and put it into an account to make sure the money is there once he makes the commitment so he's not embarrassed possibly like governor perry is. >> that's not a bad idea, actually. and one of the things about governor perry and if governor christie gets in, they have two -- they have another job that they have to do day to day. someone like governor romney who is no longer governor, he can campaign full time. if you're the governor of a state, you have a lot on your plate. >> that's specifically why chris christie said he didn't want to run. number one, he said he didn't

have the experience and he had so much work to do in new jersey. those will be hurdles for him to get over and also, dana, one other quick thing because i think a lot of people may be surprised on his positions with regard to immigration and climate change and, you know, some other very controversial topics. >> assault weapons ban. >> that haven't come up necessarily on the national scale for him. >> right, and i think on immigration, i will tell you that i was a little surprised at the swipe he took at governor perry at the ronald reagan library speech because he didn't take time to explain the issue. it was in particular about in-state tuition for illegal immigrants. and this issue deserves a lot more care and thoughtful discussion. one of the things people love about chris christie is he tells it like it is. and i think by the end of this week, we need to know, are you going to run or not? and if so, let us make our decision on whether we're going to support you. >> it sounds like it will be forthcoming this week. dick cheney was on one of the chat shows with his daughter, they appeared in tandem and they

did talk a little bit about the terror mastermind in yemen, al-awlaki being taken out. and it was interesting, we're going to play the soundbite for you but essentially what he was saying was, you know, this obama administration, good job taking this guy out. but they've got a lot of nerve. they're hypocritical. they have complained about argues of enhanced interrogation techniques, and yet, here they go and vaporize this guy with a couple of hellfire missiles. here's the former vice president. >> the obama administration has clearly reached the point where they've agreed they need to be tough and aggressive in defending the nation and using some of the same techniques that the bush administration did. and they need to say go back and reconsider some of the criticisms they offered about our policies over the years. past years. >> right, and he focused on the cairo speech where he called out the previous administration for saying we've got away from our ideals and our values. liz cheney went on to say he

slandered the nation and i think he owes an apology to the american people. those are the policies that kept us safe, the policies he's implementing and the ones we had. >> i don't disagree with them. i think that that is hitting it right because i remember very specifically during the 2008 run-up to the election, we were in the middle of a huge legislative battle on the foreign intelligence surveillance act. and president obama, then senator, was harshly critical of president bush all during that time and i remember asking president bush in the oval office, you know, how do you want me to handle this at the podium? and he said, i don't care how unpopular i get, as long as we get these policies in place so that whoever the next president is can uses them to keep america safe. president obama has used those tools and that infrastructure with some modification including this decision to kill more of the terrorists rather than try to capture them. now, maybe they do try to capture them and i don't know about it but we hear a lot about the killing. one issue about killing them, then you can't question them to

ask them about the other possible threats that might be out there. so i don't think an apology will be forthcoming but i do think that it's obvious to everybody that they've used those tools that they once denigrated. >> all right. let's talk about this. sorry, i have to cough for a minute. sorry, dana. >> that's ok. >> let's talk about the fact there's a report out this morning that the white house may have tipped off the media about the first lady going to that target shopping trip. do you think there's any validity to that? would this be a picture they would want the american people to see? >> well, i wouldn't put it past anybody. i mean, i saw the report as well that said the white house had tipped them off. i kind of wondered how else would anybody have gotten that picture unless they recognized the secret service. it really did look like something you might see in hollywood. you don't typically see that in arlington, virginia and i'm sure the first lady does like to go shopping at target. but one thing they didn't count on, whether or not they set this whole thing up or not, somebody pulled up a quote from her from 2008 in which she said, i am

much more of a target shopper than a wal-mart shopper. now, perhaps she didn't mean to insult people, but that's exactly what the -- because of the internet, just do a google search, it comes right up so i don't know if that whole thing backfired on them or not. >> sure. it's interesting, the associated press won't tell us or anybody else how that particular a.p. photographer happened to be there. >> he's a white house photographer. or he has been a white house photographer. >> he went with her to africa in june on one of those -- on one of those overseas trips. >> if they didn't tip him off, maybe they have a stalker on their hands and they need to do something about that. not sure. >> we know you'll be talking about that and much more when you co-host "the five" today at 5:00 p.m. eastern time. we'll enjoy you then. thanks, dana. >> dana and four others, is that the name it was? >> dana and four others. >> meanwhile, al-awlaki may be dead but his messages are very much alive on line.

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>> welcome back, everyone. american born terrorist anwar al-awlaki, well, he's dead but may not be forgotten. his legacy of hate and radicalization lives on, on line. on will he remain relevant in the world of terror? we're joined now by ryan morrow, founder of worldthreats.com and national security analyst for the christian action network and j.m. burger, author of the book "g.i. joe." good morning to you both,

gentlemen. >> good morning. >> let me start with you. immediately when we found out that al-awlaki was dead on friday, we kept playing video of all his rants seen on you tube and all over the internet and it worried me that maybe he would continue to be effective from the grave. your thoughts, ryan? >> that's absolutely true. his sermons continue to be sold in islamic centers, a lot of supermarkets so it's not just the internet. his material is everywhere and the last poll that i saw showed that 5% of american muslims express a favorable opinion of al-qaida and 14% refuse to answer the question. so there's still a very strong pool for him to recruit from even though the fact that he's dead. with that being said, his sermons are not going to be as relevant as time goes on because they're not going to be commenting on current events and he's not going to be offering words of encouragement to say to his supporters despite the fact that how many blows we've been dealt, that we're still going to win. >> but he was so inspirational and he even called his magazine "inspire." he was so inspirational from the cyber world.

are you concerned that more and more people will continue to go and listen to him on the internet? >> certainly in the short term, it's going to be a surge in interest in al-awlaki. and i wanted to say, al-awlaki's most important radicalizing works aren't tied to current events. the one piece that he did that really has reached the most americans is called constance on the path of jihad and that's a general discussion of why it's obligatory for muslims to fight in his field. so it's not really tied to what's happening now. it's a pretty evergreen piece. >> kind of like a manifesto that people can keep referring back to if they're looking for guidance and interested in trying to become radicalized. let me ask both of you this. the laws of technology seem to always be behind the times especially since the age of the internet and i'm wondering if either one of you believe we should have a law against allowing him to even be on the internet or to be on you tube. ryan?

>> i'm not at the point yet where i think that we should do that. i think that opens up some bad possibilities for abusing freedom of speech. but i will say that in terms of doing research, having these guys out there saying their beliefs is very good for investigative purposes. >> and what your thoughts on that? >> well, it's -- on a practical level regardless of the philosophical point, it's hard to control this stuff. there's been some effort to keep al-awlaki off the internet but really, it's easy to find his material almost anywhere. you knock it off one site and it gets posted on another and it's just, you know, kind of probably better to spend our resources on something where we have a better chance of winning. >> do you think real quickly that in a way as people go to those sites it's a way that our government can monitor who is actually still looking up to him? >> oh, definitely. the government has a lot of different ways that it can monitor what's happening on line. now, you know, you have to keep in mind that worldwide we're talking about a lot of people,

too, who are going to check this stuff out. very few of them are going to be threats so really, the challenge is figuring out who among his audience is going to turn out to be a threat. and that's a very difficult task. >> all right. is he still alive from the grave? i guess we'll continue to find out. ryan and j.m., thanks so much for your time this morning. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> he tried to kill president ronald reagan. now his sentence could get cut short? wait until you hear why. and he's a country classic. hank williams jr. this morning, well, no, hank williams first and then his son junior is here to talk about his dad, football and politics. hey, good looking.

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>> he comes from country music royalty and been the voice of monday night football for over 20 years. he knows a little bit about politics, too. >> joining us to break down the 2012 g.o.p. field is country singer superstar hank williams, jr. good morning to you, sir. >> hi there, guys. >> where are you? >> i'm sitting here in nashville at a little studio. >> your body language says leave you alone. your hands are -- >> whatever, yeah. >> ok. >> i'd rather be there looking at gretchen. >> well, there you go. >> good morning to you, too. good morning to you, too. let's have a little intimate discussion right here. i'd love to pick your bra about politics. >> yep. >> all right. so i'll start with an easy question, who do you like in the g.o.p. race? >> nobody. >> nobody? >> you remember the -- you remember the golf game they had, ladies and gentlemen?

remember the golf game? that was one of the biggest political mistakes ever. >> why? >> that turned a lot of people off. you know, watching, you know, it just didn't go over. >> you mean when john boehner played golf with president obama? >> oh, yeah! yeah. and biden and kasick, yeah. >> what did you not like about it? it seems to be a pivotal moment for you. >> come on. come on. it would be like hitler playing golf with netanyahu, ok? not hardly. in the country this shape it's in, the shape this country is in, i mean, no, i don't think so. >> yeah, i don't understand the analogy, actually. >> well, i'm glad you don't, brother, because a lot of people do. they're the enemy. >> who's the enemy? >> obama! and biden! are you kidding? the three stooges. >> only two. >> the one that makes the most sense is herman cain. >> so you do have a favorite.

herman cain of the guys and gals that are running for president. >> right now. right now, he makes more sense than any of them. >> because last time around, you were a supporter of governor sarah palin. >> boy, was i. >> do you want her to get in this time? >> i don't know. you know, like i said, guys, they've turned a lot of people off. i mean, look at "usa today" poll, 89% said congress should be completely replaced. i agree with them. you know, the health care bill, it's not going to fly either. it's going to be a historic election, i know that. >> a lot of people motivated. >> so one thing i'm gathering from your very emphatic statements this morning is you are not a big fan of the parties coming together at all to kind of try to find compromise. >> no. come on, we're more polar -- we're more polarized than we've ever been, uys. you know, i'm not going to sugar coat it. we're polarized.

you know that. >> didn't because you used the name of one of the most hated people in all of the world to describe the -- >> well, that's true. >> the president. >> well, that is true. but i'm telling you like it is, you know, that wasn't a good thing, it didn't fly. >> all right. >> so anyway, you know, like fred thompson said, you don't want to ask me a question because i'm going to give you too straight of an answer. talk about something else. let's talk about something else. >> let's switch to something that happens on mondays. in particular monday nights. can you believe it's been 20 years since you have asked people if they were ready for some football? >> only in america! one year deal that turned into seven super bowls. and three emmy awards and all that good stuff. >> no kidding. you still remember the day you got the phone call? >> never forget it. never forget it. yep. how would you like to do this? i said oh, i don't believe that. oh, yeah. and one year deal that keeps on going sure is fun.

>> you also have something else -- >> next week, we'll have detroit -- we'll be on tv for the first time in 10 years going into the monday night game at 4-0 with one of my rowdy friends, mr. kid rock and we'll be sitting up there having a good time. >> so you're going to the game. that's great. and big comeback in the fourth quarter, the lions 4-0. it seems like a misprint but it's all true. let's talk about your dad's rare and unreleased recordings that are now coming out. it's called "the legend begins," a three c.d. set, correct? >> that's right. >> where did you find it? >> the legend begins right here. >> very nice. >> from 1938, the very first songs all the way to 1952, the three c.d.'s. it's amazing, you know, never say never. it's amazing how many of these treasures have been found in the last few years. >> there we see some of your dad in action.

now, with the mother's best collection, i understand some of those master recordings were thrown in the garbage and somebody finally found them? >> that's true. yeah. these are called the health and happiness show. and the mother's best is on another set that has 16 c.d.'s. >> all right. if people want to check it out, the mother's best recordings, as you said, thrown away. now you can get them at the stores. so hank williams, have a great football season. have fun at the game! >> bye. >> all right. >> i just want to say that we disavow any of those comments or analogies that he's made, at least i'm going to say that, disavow the analogy between hitler and the president. >> next on the rundown as the clock runs down, a high school coach makes a controversial call. we need a girl to kick the game-winning field goal. >> leaders from america's biggest businesses say the president's job plans aren't working so they're stepping up with some ideas of their own.

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shot of the morning right now. kick is up and guess what, it's good. a game-winning football for michigan's varsity football team, the kicker, a young lady who is a soccer player who also kicks for the football team but the 31-yard field goal wasn't her only accomplishment of the night because brianna was also crowned homecoming queen. >> was she wearing the tiara when she kicked it? >> who cares. all that matters is it went through the uprights. congratulations. >> job well done. you know the economy is sputtering along. yesterday on the chris wallace "fox news sunday" program, he had two innovateors, a guy who started the black entertainment television, robert johnson. >> and a big obama supporter. >> absolutely. >> initially, he was hillary clinton's supporter and fred smith, the guy that started fed ex and together, they talked about how, you know, d.c. is in gridlock right now and that's not helping anything. listen. >> well, entitlements have to be reformed and you can either

reform them by some sort of rationing or regulation or you can do it by market forces and means testing but regardless of which side you choose, neither can be successful unless we can get the economy going at a rate that is able to pay for these entitlements. >> i think the real answer was available to us in the simpson-bowles commission and had both the republicans and the democrats embrace that particular philosophy of cutting both entitlements and reforming the tax at the same time to give business the confidence that we have a total commitment to our debt and our deficit and to creating jobs in this country. >> good point. >> of course, one of the other things that has been talked a lot about in the last couple of weeks is whether or not the administration is trying to talk a lot about class warfare. they say that they're not. but bob johnson, the bet c.e.o.

suggested that maybe the administration should lay off that talking point. >> i think the president has to recalibrate his message. you don't get people to like you by attacking them or demeaning their success. you know, i grew up in a family of 10 kids, first one to go to college, and i've earned my success. i've earned my right to fly private if i choose to do so. and by attacking me is not going to convince me that i should take a bigger hit because i happened to be wealthy. >> that's a great point. and coming from him especially and on top of that, he went on to say that saying is so true. he said i've been poor and i've been rich and i'd rather be rich. isn't that the goal that everybody has? >> sure. >> it seems to have gotten off message. we talked a little bit about this earlier, about an hour ago about how warren buffet, the president is referring to the buffet rule where people who are millionaires and billionaires starting at $200,000 should pay

more in taxes. well, warren buffet came out and said, yeah, i'm talking about the super, duper rich. even people making up to $50 million should not see their taxes go up. he's talking about a very small little piece of the pie. people who make a lot of dough. >> also said we've gotten soft as a country. >> let's talk about a huge news story out of italy in perugia now, amanda knox fighting back tears as she pleads for her freedom in an italian appeals court. now she must wait for an italian jury to decide if she will be acquitted for the murder of student meredith kercher in 2009. greg burke is live in italy with the latest. when might we actually hear a verdict? >> well, gretchen, we should hear about not before 2:00 p.m. eastern. that's what the judge said. 8:00 p.m. local would be 2:00 p.m. eastern, not before so it could well be after that. last time, it was actually at midnight.

this morning, very interesting. amanda looked like she was absolutely exhausted when she came in and you can understand that with so much riding on it. she was choking up as show spoke and wasn't the only one choking up. her family holding hands and crying as well. she made her case and a very convincing one to the jury before they retired and the original trial, she didn't do a very good job. i would have given her a c, perhaps. today, she definitely got an a. had short declare active sentence saying i didn't kill. i didn't rape. she says she's not the person they've made her out to be. she was called last week a she devil. the other defendant, her former boyfriend was also pretty good although he looked aolutely terrified. he's clearly been shaken by four years in a very, very small jail cell. now, it's been a fascinating case, one that has gripped both the united states and the united kingdom. we have to remember the victim, of course, meredith kercher was a roommate of amanda. her parents will be there for the verdict. gretchen? >> do we have any idea, greg, when we're going to get the

verdict, what time? >> not before 2:00 p.m. eastern so that means, you know, basically six hours from now, that's what we're looking at. but it could well be after that as well. last time, it was quite a bit later. but who knows? it could come -- it could come 2:00 p.m. on the dot. we'll see. >> all right. greg burke for us live in italy. thanks so much. >> now the rest of your headlines. tv pitchman found dead in his jail cell. it appears he took his own life. he was awaiting trial in arizona on money laundering charges and accused of swindling more than 200,000 people. police say he was selling worthless vitamins. >> mental hospital looking to release john hinckley jr., the guy that tried to assassinate president ronald reagan in 1981. that outside the washington hilton.

hinckley has been at st. elizabeth's mental hospital since he was found not guilty by reason of insanity. hospital officials want to put him on what is called convalescence leave so he can live near his mom in virginia. prosecutors say he's still dangerous. a hearing on the case starts the 28th day of november. >> all eyes are on new jersey governor chris christie as he makes a final decision now whether or not to run for president. he made no menti of it as he honored national guard troops in new jersey. >> we honor your service. we admire your courage. and we count on you. >> sources close to the governor say he will make a decision about a run within days. >> george clooney wears his trademark touch of gray well, but if you think you can't pull off the silver fox look, just take, well, possibly you could pop a pill. >> really? >> that's right. loreal developing a graying

pill. it would be taken every day as a supplement but it doesn't reverse graying. no word yet when the pill will be available. >> it doesn't reverse gray. >> why would you take it? >> i'm not really sure. >> you should do pre-emptive gray supplement using. >> so phil donahue, probably wouldn't work on him. >> right. i would be curious if we can get phil aboard on this. >> very interesting, if it works, they'll make a fortune. protesters have a message for wall street bankers and roseanne barr can't help but insert herself. >> and they should, you know, go to the reeducation camps and if that doesn't help, then be beheaded. >> so how is the message being received? does anybody take her serious? peter johnson jr. next. >> is your teenager running with the devil? coming up, a guy who says he can get you a new teenager by friday. all right. stand in line. >> first your trivia question of the day. this california native was on her high school swim team before forming a band with her brother. who is she? be first.

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>> the wall street protests growing -- there's protests growing around the nation today. after 700 protesters were arrested on the brooklyn bridge over the weekend, john huddy who is with our affiliate wnyw and zacuddy park in lower manhattan where the protesters have set up camp. john, who's around you? >> good morning to you. take a look, this is, i guess you could say the base of operations, if you want to call it that for this movement, so-called movement, the demonstrations, rallies, whatever. however you want to define it. but you can see, these are some of the folks that have been here over now going to the third week of this occupy wall street.

this isn't exactly wall street, by the way, the park is just behind us and is the world trade center site so it's just around the corner basically from wall street and city hall where there will be rallies today. some of the folks will meet up with union leaders, labor representative, immigration rights activists and alleged victims of police brutality. over the last three weeks, there have been moments in the rallies that have been otherwise peaceful where it has gotten a little bit volatile. there had been, as you mentioned over the weekend, there were about 700 people arrested according to the nypd blocking the brooklyn bridge. a little back and forth between the protesters and the nypd. a week ago, we had video of a woman getting maced so this started with a couple dozen people. it's grown to several thousand not only here in new york but also we're seeing other rallies, l.a., seattle, albuquerque, new mexico, to mention a few, guys. back to you. >> all right, john, see where that goes. steve? >> thanks, brian. what do the occupy wall street

protesters stand for? some claim they're rallying against corporate greed. others say they're fighting global warming, social inequity, gas prices. joining us right now is fox news analyst peter johnson jr. the message is muddled. >> the message is rlly based in the anarchist roots of american politics. and allegedly, they've been inspired by the movements of the arab spring. i don't think we're really looking for the arab spring in america. >> the arab spring is about democracy. >> yeah, there's not a big huntdown for the arab spring. clearly, i would think these folks are diluted in a lot of ways and probably provide the best argument for national service for 18-year-olds that we have ever seen. in this country. so we have the likes of michael moore and susan sarandon and princeton professor cornell west, all assudly millionaires speaking out against capitalist greed, against wall street, against the government, and

against our ability to create jobs and stop the foreclosure of homes. >> listen to a couple of them. >> can't let our arab brothers and sisters get way ahead of us. >> i'm glad that fox is here. fox is here! you know what? there is a god in heaven! >> talking about letting our arab brothers getting ahead of us, i don't know what she's talking about. i do know there have been several signs down there protesting our support of israel so i don't know quite what the connection is or what the real motivations are down there. >> a number of labor unions have shown their support behind these anarchist occupy wall street people and the moveon.org people. >> the moveon.org people sent out a blast e-mail asking people to come to the big rally in support on november 5th, the united federation of teachers, workers united, transport

workers union, and the working families party which was in part helped to be created by acorn, the acorn of the past. so it seems to be a strange amalgam of progressives coming forward and in essence decrying the policies of president obama with regard to job creations and foreclosures in this country. so it's kind of a -- >> slap in the face at obama? >> i don't know what it is. i don't know what it is. i don't think they know what it is. but it's costing americans millions of dollars in tax dollars in order to arrest them when they decide to close down the brooklyn bridge and stop the operations of daily americans. their point, occupy wall street, boston, los angeles, albuquerque, as we said, seattle, any city they can get a hand on through twitter, through social media, facebook, they say send pizzas, send tarps, workers in the world unite. >> that's pretty good

explanation of what's going on down there because people are scratching their heads. >> as best we can. >> indeed. >> thank you very much. straight ahead, is your teenager driving you crazy? well, if so, you're not alone. but our next guest says he can give you a brand new teenager by friday. stick around and get a pencil. but first on this date back in 1985, space shuttle atlantis made her maiden voyage. in 1995, an l.a. jury finds o.j. simpson not guilty of killing nico brown simpson and ron goldman. and back in 1964, the number one song in america "oh, pretty woman" by roy orbison. [ male announcer ] what if you have potatoes?

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>> the winner, gerard allen from louisville, kentucky. >> congratulations. does your teenager give you the silent treatment? fight every suggestion you make and spend hours ignoring you? you can have a new teenager in just five days. >> dr. kevin lehman is the author of "have a new teenager by friday." doctor, you have a five day plan to turn any teen around? >> yeah, but i'll tell you the truth, it's a scam. you could have a new teenager by wednesday. it really doesn't take that long. what you have to do is understand that when a kid hits the teenage years and i identify teenaged as 11 through 19, they get weird. and, you know, when they slam the door, a smart thing to do would be something like say, honey, excuse me, what is that -- what does that slammed door mean? does that mean that you're sick of living in the four bedroom home with all the amenities of

life? i think you use humor as a tool to get into these kids' heads. >> let's go down your game plan, though, in case people need five days and not three to turn them around. so monday, you say get a game plan. parent on a semistraight line. what does that mean? >> it means kids are going to overreact to things. a simple question like what's for dinner tonight, mom? chicken. oh, chicken, you know i hate chicken! how gross, i hate chicken. rather than get upset, say, honey, excuse me, what would be something i could make you this week that you would love? prime rib. ok. prime rib. would you like mashed potatoes or garlic? in other words, remove your sails from the child's wind. don't go looking for trouble. they're weird by their nature and they roll their eyes at everything. i got a daughter who texts like a woodpecker with adhd. >> lots of parents can related to that. >> that's just the way they are. >> you'll use sarcasm to maybe knock her out of that. let's talk about tuesday. keep your sails out of your child's wind.

sometimes just walk away. walk away from a confrontation you just went over. moving on to wednesday, then, you say partner with your teen. be their advocate. meet them half thway. >> driving is a great example. when you have a kid 15 years old, it might be good to say in 11 months you're going to be driving. dad, it's 10 months. in other words, let the kids know that you want them to drive but you might ask the question, hey, do you think we'd ever give the keys to the car to a kid that's not responsible in the me or school? in other words, plant that seed. >> plant the seed. thursday, you say life lessons, let reality do the work for you. i want to combine it with friday which is enjoy the ride, encourage good judgment. how do you do that? >> you have to encourage good judgment. but when the 6'2" kid grosses you out and uses a four-letter word on you, mom, you call the administrator of the school and you say my son does not have permission to practice today. as soon as that happens, the superintendent calls the

football coach and you let reality do the talking for you. as a woman raising a son, your little guy christian, he's got to respect women and you do that by making sure that you hold him accountable for anything he says that's disrespectful towards his mom. >> i'll play that tape for him when he becomes a teen. thanks so much, you have fantastic advice. his new book "have a new teenager by friday." pick it up. thanks so much. >> thank you. >> all right. coming up straight ahead, it's sportsmanship like we've never seen before. wait until you see what this runner did to help his opponent in the middle of the race. >> john mccain with a warning for chris christie. is he talking him out of running for president?

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>> gretchen: good morning, everyone. hope you had a great weekend. today is monday, october 3. i'm gretchen carlson.

thanks for sharing your time. a fox news alert. amanda knox, one step closer to freedom? the convicted killer beg asking crying in court in italy, says she wants her life back and a decision could come down today. >> steve: meanwhile, should the obama administration apologize president obama the bush administration for saying that they overreacted to september 11? dick cheney says yes. hear what dana perino just said about it straight ahead. >> brian: the race is on. the competition intense. wait until you see what one oner did to help his opponent mid race. both men here with their story. "fox & friends" starts right now >> good morning. >> steve: good morning, folks. live from studio e on this, the first monday in october, you know what that means. >> gretchen: what? >> rick: supreme court starts today. >> brian: really? that's right. >> gretchen: also what else we'll be talk being today is

that former vice president dick cheney has powerful comments about that drone strike that killed radical cleric anwar al-awlaki in yemen. ed henry live at the white house this morning. ed, what's the very latest? >> good morning. vice president dick cheney was saying he agrees with the killing of al-awlaki, but he's wondering whether the obama administration will now issue an apology to the bush administration for past criticism of the edge chanced interrogation of al-qaeda suspects while they're defending the killing of what was an american citizen. take a listen to vice president cheney on cnn state of the union. >> the thing i'm waiting for is for the administration to go back and correct something they said two years ago when they criticized us for, quote, overreacting to the 9-11. they in effect said we had walked away from our ideals or taken policy contrary to our

ideals when we had the enhanced interrogation technique. >> this white house also getting pressure from the left, groups like the aclu demanding some legal justification for the killing of al-awlaki. so far that has not come forward. we've been told there is a justice department memo that explains the legal justification for it, but that's being kept underwraps. interesting because when the bush administration had memos like that justifying enhanced interrogation, democrats like candidate obama were demanding they be released, that this kind of justification be made public. very unlikely we'll see that memo and highly unlikely we'll see an apology. >> brian: you see the former vice president yesterday with his daughter, liz cheney. she went on to say he believes that the cairo speech was an example of the president's slandering the entire country. >> i think what this white house would say, and they have not directly reacted yet -- but what they would say is that in terms of enhanced interrogation, that

president obama was referring to what he believes was torture during the last administration, was not trying to slander the country or anything like that. i think it's pretty clear that the debate about the war on terror will go on for some time to come. >> steve: no kidding. we thank you very much. we have dana perino on our program just about an hour ago, asked her whether or not she thought that the obama administration should apologize to the bush administration. here is what she said. >> maybe they do try to capture them and i don't know about it. but we hear a lot about the killings. one issue about killing them is that you can't question them to ask them about the other possible threats that might be out there. so i don't think an apology will be forth coming, but i do think it's obvious to everybody that they've used those tools that they once denigrated. >> gretchen: one of the other big stories that seems to be gaining a little steam, at least in cities across the country, is this whole protest theme called occupy wall street.

in the last couple of weeks, they start going downtown here in new york and now they've moved all over to l.a., chicago, boston, columbus and washington, d.c so these protesters are saying that they are upset with corporate greed, social iniquity, and the global climate change and the bottom line is they believe that wall street created all the economic problems and that they're not contributing their fair share to solve them. >> steve: there is a possibility that this kind of quasi anarchy in some instances could grow. look at the poll, eight out of ten americans not happy with the direction of the country. while it is interesting, peter johnson was talking about who those people are who are protesting, their emergency is muddled. global warming, they're against that, high gas prices. somebody was talking about they owed a lot for student loans and stuff like that. jesse watters from the bill o'reilly show went on on friday night and talked to some of the protesters to see what's up with

them. >> what do you guys want? >> bring attention to the pervasive influence that corporations have in the political process. >> we're trying to accomplish the demolition of capitalism. >> i want to replace capitalism with a more just economic model. >> what do you want to replace it with? >> the rich were willing to share, we could all live in prosperity. >> the corporations have to revise the whole system of being so bound to their profit. >> how does taxing the rich give us jobs? >> it gives us money to spend on products that could be made here. >> if the ceo came down here right now and offered you a job, would you take it? >> no way. >> steve: no way. they get free money for 99 weeks. why not? there was a famous person who went down there, roseann barr, she popped up on a television and talking about how the super

rich, they have a choice -- either they give back money they made over $100 million, and you got to wonder with her syndication of her show -- >> brian: she probably doesn't have 100 million, that's why she says that's the threshold. >> steve: but if you make more than that, you should give it back or this would be your fate. >> i first would allow the guilty bankers to have the ability to pay anything over 100 million personal wealth because i believe in a maximum wage of $100 million. if they're unable to live on that, then they should go to the reeducation camps and if that doesn't help, then be beheaded. >> brian: that sounds fantastic. >> steve: that's extraordinary, to have a liberal person like herself making the argument for capital punishment. >> gretchen: yeah. more importantly, i'm not quite sure why anyone would listen to roseann barr about the economy. >> brian: she had a funny sitcom. >> gretchen: she did.

and that's where she should stick. if you look at the poll, people pretty much don't listen to celebrities on politics. let us know what you think. >> steve: we watch them do all sorts of stuff, go to the store, buy coffee. >> brian: dance and ice skate. >> steve: exactly. look at that. biggest show on tv. >> gretchen: let's go your headlines. developing story, amanda knox is about to learn her fate. she addressed the jury in her appeals trial. >> i have not killed. i have not raped. i have not done anything. i wasn't there. i was not present for the crime. >> gretchen: knox and her former boyfriend were convicted of killing british exchange student meredith kercher. there is a bail hearing today for rezwan ferdau, the

terror suspect from massachusetts accused of planning to blow up the pentagon and u.s. capitol using remote controlled airplanes filled with explosives. prosecutors want him behind bars until his trial. two emergency landings at boston logan airport. a jet blue from puerto rico to boston. the other originated in charlotte bound for germany. 11 people hurt on that flight. andy rooney getting the last word on "60 minutes." he signed off after 33 years on the job. >> all this time i've been paid to say what is on my mind on television. you don't get any luckier in life than that. i don't say this often, but thank you. although if you do see me in a restaurant, please just let me eat my dinner. >> gretchen: okay. rooney says he's not retiring. he plans to keep writing and making occasional appearances on

"60 minutes." those are your headlines. >> brian: he did say i'm mostly a democrat, but i'm open minded. straight ahead, rick perry has a texas motto to fixing social security. so how does it work and will it work? we'll break it down next. >> steve: then he's not used to getting up early, the former late night funny man, george lopez, is here and he's talking politics. come on in. you're coming up on "fox & friends" [ male announcer ] cranberry juice? wake up! ♪ that's good morning, veggie style. hmmm [ male announcer ] for half the calories -- plus veggie nutrition. could've had a v8.

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>> brian: you know governor perry thinks social security is a ponzi scheme and if he's president, he'll do what worked for texas.

>> we ought to have a conversation. is there a better way? are private accounts an appropriate thing for a young american to say you know what? i would rather manage this account myself. opt out as an option for some state employees in some states and we talk about that in the book, that galveston, brazoria, matagorda county. >> brian: those three county, he pointed out, opted out of social security 30 years ago. now take part in an alternative plan which actually leaves retirees with more money. here to explain, marvel matthews at the institute for policy innovation. this worked so far, right? >> it worked. it's been around 30 years. the people have personal accounts. they put money aside. they retire with twice what they would get with social security and never lost a dime. when the market goes down, they still make money. >> brian: tell me the principles behind it. >> well, what happens is the three counties in texas have a

personal account that's managed by an outside management firm. they go out and negotiate a contract that provides an interest rate for them, so the money is pooled. think of it like a savings account at a bank, a banking model opposed to 401(k) model. so the money goes to financial institutions. they guarantee at least a minimal interest rate so if the market drops by 20%, they still make on at least 3.75% and at other times make higher. >> brian: you can opt out and that money can go to this other fund like in texas. my question to you is, where is the risk? with every investment, there is a risk. there is no risk here? >> there has been virtually no risk in this so far. when you say they can opt out, in 1983, congress closed that door. so counties, states, teachers, fire departments and so forth that are outside of social security, if they were outside and they stayed outside, they can do this. but if you're in social security

now with a company or a government official or something, then you've got to have -- congress has to change it. >> brian: to that's not going to be a pervasive thing unless rick perry becomes president. let's look at the payouts. the lower income worker if you take this plan in texas gets 1826 a month. if you took social security, you would make 1007. middle, 3600 per month under the texas county alternative plan. half that for social security for the middle income. high income worker, 5 to 6,000 a month. that would be their payout as obesed to 2500 if you collected social security. so it's different also than a 401(k) because you don't have that risk, or at least we haven't seen that risk yet. unless there is an opt out, you believe this thing is not going to happen nationwide. correct? >> well, that's right. there is roughly 7 million employees for county, states, teachers, and so forth that

could opt out now because they never went into social security. but apart from that, all the rest of the country, you have to have an act of congress to allow this. >> brian: it's amazing because president bush brought up something similar. he talked about having private accounts and giving people the option to invest and that was vilified and he never got it off the ground. >> it's always it's being a risky scheme. we've got a 30 year track record with three counties this never lost money in this approach. >> brian: even after 2008. thanks so much. >> thank you. >> brian: greece miss ago key bailout deadline and now your money could pay the price. a look at the dow future after the break. then a cross-country race becomes a race to get help. next, the runner who threw away the race to save his competitor's capital one's new cash rewards card

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>> beep, beep, this is your 8:20 wake-up call. wall street opens an hour and the futures are down after more bad news from greece. greece admitting it will not meet its deficit reduction targets, raising fears the country won't get more bailout money. european and asian markets also tanked. new details on last month's air crash in west virginia. a preliminary report found that no parts of that 1950s era plane fell off before it slammed into the ground, killing the pilot. a cause for the crash expected from the federal government in six to nine months.

gretch? >> gretchen: when the gun started, his goal was to win a race, but when his opponent went down with an injury, it mattered more n. a huge sign of sportsmanship, josh ripley carried his opponent, mark, across the finish line and they both join me live from minneapolis. good morning to you both, josh and mark. >> good morning. >> gretchen: all right. so let me start with you, mark. i know that you were running the race and suddenly you felt pain in your leg. what happened? >> well, i was coming around the customer and everyone was slowing down for the corner and then one person didn't slow down and then their spike cut me in my right ankle. >> gretchen: and so you went down. it was a serious injury. there was a three inch gash to the bone on your leg. you were calling out for help, but i understand that runners just kept going. cross-country being a competitive sport. what was it about you, josh, that stopped?

>> really for me at that point it was just kind of second nature. when i saw mark there holding his ankle, i knew i needed to stop and give him some assistance. >> gretchen: what was going through your mind at that time, because obviously you probably wanted to do as well as you possibly could in the race? >> i did, but at that point i kind of lost focus on my race and focused on what was more important in getting mark help. >> gretchen: so you scoop him up and it seems to me that mark is maybe a smaller guy, but my goodness, you pick him up. mark, what are you thinking at this point? here is this guy i've never met before, now he's picking me up and you cross the finish line holding him! mark? >> i was really surprised that he would do anything like this 'cause like i said, no, and he's never done this and it was amazing. >> gretchen: josh, i know your coach was waiting for you to keep coming and coming and he didn't see you and he was getting worried. what did people say to you when they

figured out what you had done instead of trying to win the race? >> well, a lot of my teammates and my coach congratulated me and they just said that i really focused on what was more important. they were proud of me for that. >> gretchen: mark, what did you say to josh when he was helping you? >> i didn't really say anything. josh was just trying to calm me down and i was trying to keep calm and not try to panic. >> gretchen: josh, i know that you were honored. right? you gop some award? >> last monday night my school board honored me with a medal of outstanding achievement award. >> gretchen: so when you look back on this, when you get to be like my age or something like that, will it be more important to you that you got that honor or that you won the race? >> i think the most important thing was that i was able to help mark out and i'm really grateful that i was able to help someone else out.

>> gretchen: wow. those are wonderful values that you've learned growing up there in minnesota and mark, i just want to get an update on you. are you going to be able to still join the team? >> yeah. i'm actually scheduled to run this afternoon with my team. >> gretchen: congratulations. what a wonderful story. so often we have bad news to report throughout the world and here in america and this is a great story of sportsmanship. thank you for joining us today. >> thank you. >> gretchen: great story. coming up, it's monday and guess what that means? donald trump will join us live and he has a lot to say about this week in politics. then george lopez getting into a new york state of mind. oh, my g he's got the moves. he'll join us on the curvy couch if he can sit down, even for a second. he's next ♪

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several of dr. murray's girlfriends are expected to testify they were on the phone with him shortly before the pop star stopped breathing. >> steve: tv pitchman la pro dies. he was away in trial in arizona on federal fraud and money laundering charges. he was accused of swindling more than 200,000 people out of nearly $52 million. prosecutors say he was selling vitamins that weren't really vitamins. >> brian: he scammed charities out of thousands after the 9-11 attacks, but convicted con artist viral kendall paroled from prison after serng less than half of his 20 year sentence. he lied about his son dying in the attacks to collect $116,000 from charities. once released, he'll be deported to his native guyana. >> steve: take a look at this. it's the sun like you've never seen it before. nasa releasing images of the sun taken electric a satellite.

these were fake in burbank. no, they say the satellite is about the size of a car, orbiting 22,000 miles aabove the either, on a five-year, $865 million mission to help scientists understand the inner workings of the sun. money well spent. that's the sun, it's bright. >> gretchen: today is monday and many people thought today would be the day that chris christie would finally make his decision about whether or not he's running for president. now it appears it may not necessarily be today, but within the next few days. you're looking at video now. he was at a ceremony with the national guard in new jersey yesterday where he was bombarded with questions. what are you going to do, gov? he did not respond about his answer just yet. >> brian: "wall street journal" his his operatives familiar with the discussion among his team say that the aides are mordaunted by the challenges of launching a campaign than they were days ago. it seems setting up the state by state committees, councils and organizations are proving to be

tough. >> steve: there is one event on the governor's calendar later today, to help swear in a judge in patterson, new jersey, 20 miles west of new york city. but according to abc, no availability. that means the press is not going to be allowed in. so it could be coming in a couple of days. as he considers whether or not to do it, john mccain says hold everything, governor. think about this first. >> the swimming pool looks like putter until you jump in. the water may not be quite as warm as you think. >> gretchen: because all of a sudden, the critics will come immediately. they already kind of have in a way. so stay tuned to see what that decision is about the governor. >> brian: just ask fred thompson and governor perry. >> gretchen: exactly. let's ask somebody else a couple questions. george lopez is here. >> it's funny, this is the first time i heard that he might consider running for president.

they said, should he run? i said absolutely. we all should get in better shape. should he jump in the pool? not not while i'm in there. let me get out before he cannon balls everybody out. when the girl jumps in and the kid ended up in the tree, maybe the same outcome. >> steve: you're not making fun of his size, are you? >> we all need to get in better physical condition. you need a little more sun. but the rest of us need to get better physically. >> brian: i wish you would stop judging people by the color of your skin. >> how about the texture of their perm? >> gretchen: i'm scared now, 'cause there is a zing, zing. >> this couch has diversity for the show, by the way. >> brian: what do we do when you leave? >> you're done for the year. herman cain, it's funny, the republicans do know that he's darker than barak oma? whiter on the inside. >> brian: and they embrace him.

>> they do. he's doing very well. here is the beautiful part, everybody wants a latino vote and michelle bachman, that didn't work out. but her lovely campaign was, i want the latino vote because i raised 23 foster children therefore, i know what it is like. have 23 on your own, and then maybe we'll vote for you. >> brian: she took a short cut and you resent that. >> we have them. we don't raise them. >> steve: you mentioned herman cain and he was at a -- they had a tea party straw poll in illinois -- >> he wasn't serving the tea, 'cause that's crazy. >> steve: no, he was not. >> brian: he was winning the poll. >> steve: a lot of conservatives love him because he is very conservative. he's not a moderate. >> he is very conservative. absolutely. so i think he will do well. barak obama, you know how extreme he is. i think for him, it's funny, because in america, we love when we take somebody out, when barak obama and bin laden, when that happened, when he was taken out, his approval rating soared. so i think it's time to kill

someone else. >> brian: we did. >> at least a drive by, something, really. >> gretchen: so let's talk a little about the song "hail to the chief" because apparently there is some discussion about want to go change that. >> i think he said when i become president, we're going to have a much hipper song. what's the problem with "hail to the chief"? >> it's traditional and that's all well and good, but i happen to believe that there comes a time when you need to change the mood of it just a little bit. not drastically, but change it just a little bit. it's kind of like in marketing, periodically companies that have been successful at branding, they might modify their logo just a little bit to give it a fresher look. i think "hail to the chief" needs a little bit fresher sound. >> so hip-hop? >> it won't be hip-hop. i might put some gospel beats into it. okay? >> gretchen: he's a gospel singer. >> what are you talking about?

"let's get it on" by marvin gay. >> gretchen: i saw you with the dance moves earlier. so you might be in favor of making a little more hip-hop? >> i thought it was a little american native "hail to the chief" was sensitive. i'm 33% native american. i can't get a casino, but i can handle my alcohol. >> steve: was it the scorpions that did "rocking like a hurricane hurricane"? >> rocking like herman cain. >> brian: herman cain saying the african-american community has been brainwashed not to like republicans. >> i believe it's a tradition of being very liberal. you know. the music, and not down the middle. so i'm not sure brainwashed is the right word. i think cooler is the right word. we're just cooler.

i'm 4% black, by the way. >> gretchen: we know for sure is that you stumped for president obama before he was president and the hispanic vote -- >> you know -- barak obama called my house and he said, i need the latino vote and i said, if you think 36 votes will make a difference, then i will go up there and i will stump for you. but it's a very popular vote. you know that. >> steve: it's a growing minority. >> he's our first latino president. you know that. >> steve: that's why you supported him. >> and i will continue to support him, yes. anybody that has his mother-in-law living with him helping him raise his kids has my vote. >> steve: you get plenty of shots at the president as we see here. >> let's take a look.

>> let's all really remember how important our vote is. our votes have already elected our first latino president! >> no, no, no. no. i keep telling george, barak obama is not latino. >> i tell you what, he's got all the signs. he spends money he don't have. [ laughter ] he lives in a house that's not his. [ laughter ] everybody wants to see his birth certificate. latino! >> gretchen: very funny. >> come on! you know, it's hysterical. everything is better with comedy. >> steve: and we love your show. now what are you up to? >> look how caucasian television is. even when people die, they come back, visionaries and a guy that his wife passes away, she comes back and teaches him how to

operate. there is a show on nbc called whitey -- no, wait, it's whitney. i misread it. i'm sorry. >> gretchen: now you're going to be doing this kind of standup on carnival cruises? >> you're very good at staying on point. >> gretchen: i'm trying. >> i've been asked to bring humor to the seas. i think everything should be taken to the sea. whatever stays on the sea, should be taken them, boehner, obama, taking it to the seas. boehner out of the sun. >> brian: it's a problem you thought that people were on the ocean, but not laughing. >> they are laughing. they need to laugh more. the cruise carnival has done a great job of upgrading it. >> brian: do you have to walk around even to like the snack line and make people laugh? are you going to be working the audience? working the pool? >> i'll just across this desk

and jump your (bleep). what are you tking about, am i going to work the line? i'm going to sell chiclets to the people in line! >> brian: i'm not saying chiclets. >> that's why you're sitting on the end. >> steve: he's going to help pick the comedia >> i'm going to set a card table over there. we're close to thanksgiving. we're moving you to the kid's card table. >> brian: the only reason he knew is because i asked the tough questions. >> have you ever taken a cruise? >> brian: yes. >> did you enjoy it? >> brian: yes. >> good. burger place is being upgraded. >> brian: you touch him a lot. >> i love this guy. i loved him on andy griffith and i still love him. >> gretchen: oh, my gosh! >> he was the best deputy andy ever had. >> gretchen: i'd love if you would stick around.

will you? >> with trump coming on? i'm getting the hell out of here. >> gretchen: when we come back, donald trump will join us on this week's politics. >> steve: along with george lopez his self. plus, it's been months since media matters was exposed for using taxes to attack fox news. what has the government done about it? you got to hear this to believe it. be right back [ male announcer ] for fastidious librarian emily skinner, each day was fueled by thorough preparation for events to come. well somewhere along the way, emily went right on living but you see, with the help of her raymond james financiaadvisor, she had planned f every eventuality. which meant she continued to have the means to live on... even at the ripe old ag of 187.

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>> steve: according to the rundown, you were supposed to be gone at the end of the last segment. because it went so well, we want to -- >> you said go to mexico. i said i'm staying. >> steve: it went so well, we held him over to chat -- turns out, you're very go friends with donald trump. >> he's the greatest individual

in the world. he's the most positive person and he really is a great man. >> gretchen: he happens to be on the phone right now. say hello. >> what a great statement from george. george is a great guy. frankly, george, i love that. can i use that sometime later? >> absolutely. as a sound bite or your ring tone. >> okay. thank you, george. >> gretchen: donald, were you listening to george's riff a little while ago? >> i would never miss anything having to do with george. i heard he was on, so i turned in even earlier. yes, i heard him. >> gretchen: what do you think? >> i'm not sure we agree politically 100%. because i know george well and george is one of the funniest guys around and also a very serious person, which george doesn't want to tell you that, but he's a very serious person. and george is unhappy with what's going on in the world and the economy and everything else and we have problems as a country. but hopefully those problems are going to get solved. >> brian: herman cain is going to come visit you today? >> yes. >> brian: when herman cain comes to visit you today, what are you

going to be listening for? you have a business background. you had similar circumstances, i think he had a longer climb up. >> i think that herman cain really should be very proud of himself. i think george would agree more than anybody. herman cain started with very little and look where he's come and he's doing really well in the polls. i think he's done a really terrific job. i look forward to meeting him. he just seems like a really nice guy and a good character. >> gretchen: he'll be here tomorrow. >> you'll ask him about the meeting. >> gretchen: yep, we definitely will. >> i agree with that. anybody that has a dream, this is the greatest country to live in. this is the beautiful -- that's the beauty of america, is that when you have something that you want to convey or you have a message to send, this is the freest country in the world. right, mr. trump? >> that's exactly right. >> steve: you're living the american dream. >> i'm living the american dream, 40% texan. >> george is a great example of it. look how well he's done. i don't know exactly the beginning, but i know he wasn't born in buckingham, palace.

>> i'm almost done with that wall at your house, by the way. i got to start a little late today 'cause i'm here. by the end of the day, you'll be happy with it. >> gretchen: some people in our country want to get rid of what many deem to be the american dream, capitalism. there has been all these protests going on called occupy wall street. they've spread to l.a., chicago, boston, washington, d.c., ohio. now labor unions, and some celebrities backing these protesters. donald, what do you make of it? >> the interesting thing is that obama was really backed largely by wall street, at least the first run. many of them friends of mine, i don't know if they'll continue to back, a lot of them aren't, but wall street backed obama heavily. much more heavily than anybody else. so now they're fighting wall street, which is an interesting little dichotomy. >> steve: and george, it's not just wall street these guys are fighting. they're fighting global warming, high gas prices, student loans. >> but they're wearing things from barney's. the protesters of the '60s -- a

protest, you can not break up with pepper spray. you spray pepper spray at us, it just makes us hungry. [ laughter ] wall street, it devastates the whole thing. and he's right. >> brian: i'll give you an example, they blocked the brooklyn bridge. so they arrested everybody. 700 people got arrested. they said they falsely lured us to the bridge to block it. the cops think this out. what kind of protest is that? >> exactly. listen, protesters don't get their signs made at kinkos. they sit up all night and they write their own signs. >> gretchen: so you don't agree with in? >> i don't agree with it. do you think it will get better, mr. trump? what do you see in the future? >> the truth of what george is saying, some of them are well dressed. they're wearing all sorts of beautiful clothing. some of them, i sort of have my eye on because i want to find out where they got it. it doesn't seem like the sort of protest that george has seen over his life. is that right?

>> that's exactly right. >> steve: one of the things about some of the protesters, the protests have been endorsed by labor unions and stuff like that. >> i think it's going to be -- i think they're really having a good time. some are very serious and i take my hat off to them. but others are down to having a good time and they're looking for dates. [ laughter ] >> brian: donald, my last question for you is, you're going to meet herman cain today. you met rick perry and mitt romney. who is emerging, in your mind, as a premiere presidential front runner? >> i don't want to say right now. i look forward to meeting had herman cain today and i'm honored that they come to trump tower. >> do you think governor cristie should run? >> it's very late. he's a very good friend of mine, george. and i know him probably as well as anybody and he's a great guy and doing a great job. i own a lot of property in new jersey. i sort of don't want him to run. he's doing a good job there. i think it's very late and i

personally don't think he's going to run, but let's see what happens. >> do you think he should get on the exercise bike? >> he thinks so. i will tell you. whether he does it or not, that's -- but he thinks so. >> steve: george lopez -- >> you don't find this in mayberry. >> steve: where is my one bullet? george lopez, thank you very much. >> thank you. >> gretchen: thank you to you, donald. >> george, take care of yourself, keep it up, george. >> i will. >> gretchen: thank you so much. >> brian: he didn't ask you to keep in touch. just forcing yourself. >> gretchen: we got to move on. it's been months since we told you about media matters taking fax breaks to attack fox news. what has the irs done about it? we'll fill you in. >> brian: first let's check in with martha mccal lull. you've been standing by listening to george lopez. do you have anything prepared for your show? >> i didn't realize the wall street protesters were looking for a date. that was news to me.

>> brian: put that in your prompter. >> breaking news on that. thanks. good morning, everybody. got a big show coming up. the crowd clamoring for chris christie has some brand-new developments to fuel them this morning. brit hume will be here to weigh in on that. the hundreds of protesters on wall street on a more serious note, do they pretend anything -- pour tend anything more dangerous? here in the united states. we will see you on "america's news room," top of the hour. hmmm [ male announcer ] for half the calories -- plus veggie nutrition. could've had a v8.

>> steve: welcome back. media matters for america, a group founded in 2003 by former conservative turned liberal reporter david brock, whether it started, they secured a tax exempt status because they said their purpose was educational. sounds good, huh? well, now even brock admits it's

in a war to take down fox news. saying the strategy that we had was basically a strategy of containment. the new strategy is war on fox. well, multiple complaints have been filed by people like you with the irs challenging their tactics and status, but has the irs done anything about it? the author of "left turn, how liberal media bias destroys the american mind" joins us live. good morning to you, professor. >> good morning, ste. great to be with you. >> steve: so hundreds, maybe thousands of our viewers and people across the country have filed these complaints with the irs saying media matters does not deserve their tax exempt status and so far the irs has done what? >> nothing that i've heard of. i think that's the news, is that the irs has done nothing. >> steve: that's right. now, you have studied media bias in the past. why is it that media matters should not have tax exempt

status? >> well, the key is that as you said, they file, it's a 501 c 3. there's a number of boxes they have to check and say they're a charitable organization, be religious, educational. they checked educational and there is a number of things. those don't sound like educational activities to me, including politico reported they're assembling opposition research files, nonreporters, mid level officials. that tme sounds like harassment. that's not an educational lesson. >> steve: it's one thing for them to do it. but for them to do it and get a tax break, that's why so many people who are watching this program and watching the network and are just concerned have filed complaints with the irs. >> that's right. i'm going to say, the people who filed with the irs, they may be directing it at the wrong people. a well kept secret, i teach congress, you might actually want to direct them to your member of congress. great, healthy thing about our

democracy is that our legislators listen to their constituents. i would urge viewer, write your congressman. i can imagine hearings possible in some house committee saying, hey, media matters, what's going on here? >> steve: that's a great point. all right. so contact your congressman about media matters and their tax exempt status. professor, we thank you very much for joining us today from los angeles. >> thank you, steve. >> steve: all right. and if you would like more information about the irs complaints, go to fox nation a little later on this morning. more "fox & friends" rolls on live from new york in two minutes

>> gretchen: tomorrow on the show, we'll have presidential candidate herman cn who we've been talking about today. he'll meet with donald trump today and he has a new book out. >> brian: if he's smart, he'll take that suggestion. >> steve: see you tomorrow. martha: thank you very much. good morning,