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tonight's show? >> are you ready for some football even without hank williams junior, america. it is the shocking story that is just like churchill playing tennis with stalin. and why do they think they need to be more or less like the tea partys? it is a stunning story that could handle the truth. and herman cane looks to capitalize on his recent surge in the polls by joining us for an interview. greg? >> thank you, andy. >> happy do something nice day, greg. >> i did, and you will see it when you get home. >> can you give me a hint? >> i lied. i was hoping by the time you got home it was do something nice day. >> typical v. a great show. >> i shall, my friend. go away. you are disgusting. >> let's welcome our guest. she is so hot her masseuse wears oven mitts. i am here with diane ma say dough. she anchors business news way too early. and his lips are considered a
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personal flotation device for canoeers and kayakers. ps paul mcc -- it is paul mccurio. and please negotiators try to talk him on to ledges. and if intelligence was a pamphlet he would be passed out on the street. siting next to me is jaime weinstein and its pages are good for all kinds of pages. good to see you, pinch. there are now features on the new iphone 4, but let me show you our new water cool thar responds -- that responds to voice commands. my voice is my passport.
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>> okay, talking paper. we are no longer speaking to each other. herman cane is coming and i am talking to a paper. >> sorry to down grade later. so, does hanky need a spanky? apparently espn thinks so promptly pulling hank william junior's monday night football sequence because of comments on president obama and hitler on monday's fox and friends. see for yourself, see for yourselfers. >> what didn't you like about it? it was pivotal moment. >> it would be like hitler playing golf with netanyahu, not hardly. in the country this shape is in, the shape this country's in, no. i'm glad you don't, brother because a lot of people do. you know, they are the enemy. >> who is the enemy?
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>> obama and biden. are you kidding? it is the three stooges. >> why go after the three stooges? what have they done to you? it is a classic show. says junior in his uh -- obligatory quote, some things are often misunderstood. my analogy was extreme. i was trying simply to explain how stupid it seemed to me, and how ludicrous that pairing was. every time they brought up the tea party it was painted as racist and extremist. there was no backlash to the comparison. you more important who should get hank's monday night gig if it is gone. they have already made a
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decision. >> good to see the gogo's are touring again. paul, welcome back. >> hate to be here. >> do you think espn was right to do this? he is not a spokesman. >> not at all. he is not a politician. he is a country singer, and, you know, should he be talking politics? probably not. but this is the problem with our culture. if you have an extreme view you get fired or suspended. it is not like he is saying, are you ready for some privatization of social security? and the metaphor was wrong. for it to have worked obama would have had to have committed genocide against the
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disturbingly tan. it is too extreme and too far. just let the crazy guy go. he is wearing glasses inside. >> not sure i understood half of what he said. >> you are thinking of the next thing you are going to say and you never listen. >> when you are talking i listen -- think of bunnies because it makes me happy. he says she private person, but does espn have a right to protect their brand? if they don't want him on because he says stupid things, why can't they? >> they have a right to, but we have a right to judge them for it. she not a lawmaker or spokesman. she a country music singer, and if that's what he thinks, he should be able to say that. the first amendment didn't exist so people could talk about politically correct speech. it exists for this purpose so people can talk about controversial things. quite frankly i don't think anything is ever going to get resolved when you talk about two opposite sides unless they say what is on their minds. i don't agree with what he said, and i think he had every opportunity to clarify and he
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did not do that at all. she trying to backpedal now. he used that analogy on purpose, but that being said, she just a country music singer, and he should be able to say that. >> what does it matter if he is a country music singer? >> this is not a first amendment issue. >> no, it is not. i am just saying the principal of free speech is very important. >> free speech is great. if you are going to burger king and the guy is muttering anti-sametic remark u.s. and have a right to fire him. >> that was him before the show. >> he has a right to fire the guy who acts like a character that will farrell would play. i think what we learned from this generally is that we shouldn't be taking political advice from hank williams. it is like taking fashion advice from caw qaddafi or if world war ii is your thing it is like taking it from furor. >> wasn't it him pulling two comparisons out of thin air? he didn't say president obama is hitler.
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he was saying there were two sworn enemies golfing together. still bad onliy -- bad analogy. >> he doesn't know what an analogy is. easy heard he was clean and sober and take that he wasn't high on life. and furthermore as we discussed in the green room there are certain people who can always wear sunglasses and get away with it. hank williams, junior is not one of those people. he looks like he is asleep and then when you go by he whacks you with a cane. >> do you run into old people like that? >> all the time. they are on the benches in central park and sitting there with the dark glasses and when i walk by, swack. >> you are approaching them, that's what you are doing. >> i am curious to see what is in their wallet. >> we don't discuss things that are stewed in anymore. -- stupid anymore. we shut people down. is there some aments to the constitution that says, you have a right to free speech unless it is something stupid,
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in which case why hasn't andy been fired? >> i am with jaime. if somebody is embarassing me at my place of work, i don't want them there. >> who is offended? espn viewers on monday night football? have you hung out with people who watch monday night football? >> now are you demonizing the people who watch monday night football. >> it has nothing to do with offensive. there is no obligation to hire a -- an uttering hobo to be on the show. >> there isn't, but it is unfortunate that anytime somebody is speaking to the public they have to edit what they say because there is always that fear they may lose their job, god forbid. it shouldn't be. >> or maybe they say, god, this guy is a moron. >> he is not an analyst for espn and he does a damn good job at it. >> you are speaking two sfrent languages here. you are saying something that is correct.
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of course you should be able to talk about something without apologizing. but if i am runing a business and the guy is making an ass out of himself, i have a right to fire him. >> but why coming from him is it bad. if bill mar only. >>ed obama to hitler he would be fine. if you go on the internet -- >> i don't know why. comedy central is fine with it. >> i know why. hbo isn't based on raights. it is based on subscribers. if people stopped subscribering, because of mark you would hear it. they did safest thing they could have done and that's why we have what we have. >> i think we are picking and choosing. >> i would like to pick and choose you out on to the street. >> okay i will hit you with my cane when i am asleep with my sunglasses. >> they need thicker skin on both sides. >> that's not the issue. the issue -- >> don't tell me what my issue is. >> your dad never hugged you. >> it is not about being
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offended. it is about if you are running a business and you don't want that person there because they say stupid things. it is not about offenses. >> i think it is stupid. >> it wasn't offensive. >> no one came out and said -- >> no one came out -- if they came out and said he acted like someone who was high on drugs and acted like a complete moron, that's why he is getting fired, i would completely be with you. >> they have a track record of doing -- >> everybody is focus oatd hitler comments. they have a right. >> talking over each other does not make this show work well. >> what difference does it make if he is high or not? i don't get that. >> it is a good excuse. >> believe me, you used it on me. >> i'm sorry, america, i was high on the funny pills. >> don't interview me in the morning. >> let's move on, shall we?
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god, i didn't think it was going to be so controversial. it makes more good energy. >> it would be van jones. he actually has some nice words about the tea partiers. speaking about the take back the american dream conference, yes, somebody had taken it on monday. while the tea parties are silly and the worst, progressers could learn a lot when it comes to organizing. take a listen, people who should take a listen. >> they talk individual and act collectively and we -- do i have to say it? >> say it!
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> we talk. we are all in this together. we talk. solidarity fever. >> jones says he is rebuilding the dream to support the tea party like freedom works. and progressives need to learn from their mistakes of putting all of their apples in obama's basket. >> say something about the tea party. there is no tea party. you can't land at the airport in dc and get in a cab and say take me to tea party headquarters. but this is an upgrade and let me show you why. they branded not a person, but a network. they didn't brand an individual. they branded a network.
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and they didn't base is on a single party. they based it on principals. they built a starfish and not a spider. >> go fighting starfish. by the way, for those who have forgotten who van jones is, don't worry. vice president biden hillary mind you. >> and so you have on the one hand van jones' guys, whoever he is, talking about -- >> he used to be in the administration. he used to be green czar. >> owe, all right. >> could be the greatest vice president ever. he doesn't even remember the people in his own administration. diane, can jones galvanize the progressives the way tea parties have galvanized people? the principal seems to be very, very different. you have people talking about the small government, but they are galvanizing for things that are already present in our government. >> that's the point. the country is so far left they don't have anything to be
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unhappy about. 1k3* maybe that is -- and maybe that is a slight exaggeration. it is hard to drum up an opposition movement when you are the one in power. >> they are pro tegs the status quo. -- they are protesting the status quo. by not tieing themselves to one person, no one is in charge. >> it is organic and that's what makes them successful. i think the key difference -- there is a lot of differences between the tea party and what he wants to create. on election day, the people who come out and vote, the people who are out there on wall street, they will stay home and smoke weed instead. >> you were at wall street all week. but you were just -- you weren't even protesting. you were lost. at least you were working. i know you are going to say something offensive about the tea party. >> this is why i don't like you as a human being. >> among other things. >> no, i actually think the
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tea party has a right and the democrats are never going to galvanize. it is a party of celebrity. and right now that's obama. and you can't gel around one person like that. to prove that it is like everybody loves oprah, but nobody wants to watch her network. it is like it is the same principal with obama. don't look at me like it didn't make sense. >> it is one of those metaphors that i am processing and not sure what it means. >> hitler would have appreciated what i just said. they are not unified. they are haphazardly thrown together like an ikea dresser. >> fi on you for criticizing the ikea dressers. bill, last word to you and then woo -- we have to move on. >> anything with america is a political slogan. i am so sick of it to begin with. i looked at the tape and i will tell you something. glen beck may have got that guy fired, but those two are not so different. did you notice his speaking style? he was very animated and a
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good public speak scpert goofy expression -- speaker and the goofy expressions. >> we didn't see the tape, but afterwards he edited the tape. they are that much alike. >> coming up, do pick up lines in bars work? diane macedo discusses her new book "not with me, bozo." and herman cane is talking about his campaign. i will ask him questions pertain together topic, and i hope he likes me.
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we are pleased to have a 2012 hopeful, captain of the industry and man of the moment, mr. herman cane. so how did we get on you shoat? >> you had a very very aggressive producer. she body slammed me to the floor, threatened my life and said you will be on this show or you won't be a candidate very long. >> now, it is true. >> i am a man that normally doesn't respond to threats, but this time i figured i would give in. >> she could be pretty aggressive. >> she was pretty convincing. she earned her raise. we are not giving her a raise. this new cbs poll has you tied with mitt romney at 70%. two weeks ago we were at 5%. so is the cane train gone insane? what is happening here? >> that's a good way to put it. the cane train is going insane. once people get on the cane train, they don't get off. i love george will's staiments. when herman cane won the florida straw poll against conventional wisdom, liberals'
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brains exploded. and they did. >> it was like microwave popcorn, one every two minutes. and so what happened is when people get on the train, they know i have substance. i present solution scpiz present answers. -- i present solutions and i present answers. >> when you are going up, perry is going down. what is happening to perry? >> first of all, many of the conservative base -- many people in the conservative base are discovering where he stands on some of these issues and they don't like it. secondly, the debates which we have done about five of them now you can't take those for granted. i happened to think the biggest thing from a substance standpoint was the last debate and what is your jobs plan for
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the rest of the country? >> he didn't have one. >> right. and by then you should have had something to put on the table. as you snow, have i been talking about 999, and it is resonating with the american people and it makes us excited. >> i thought that was a call plan. i actually signed up for it. i got 90 free minutes. >> seems like you are having fun. >> i am. >> is this for real? did you expect it to go this far? >> i did expect it to go this far. i didn't expect us to get this boost this early to be perfectly honest. all along, the strategy was a slow bill, get people committed. we don't have the money to spend like some of the other candidates. as long as we continue to move, we were happy. as a result, as no i politics -- as you know politics can be fickle. as a result of the performance in the straw poll and a result
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of how some performed in the debate, people are looking at the long shot, and they are saying, maybe that long shot is not such a long shot anymore. that's what we are seeing. >> have i to ask you, are you sad kristi isn't entering? >> i am not sad christie isn't entering primarily for christie. the reason being is you can't do this because of the media hype. the media was trying to suck this -- him into the campaign. i don't know if governor perry got sucked in because of the media hype. it is a different ballgame. >> will you pick hip as a vp, christie? >> probably thought. he wants to finish out his term as governor. not because i don't think she a good guy. it is because i have a few other people on my short list. >> i admire how really gentlemanly you are toward some of your critics.
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garofolo said some awful things about you, saying you are front to cover up her tea party. and then an african-american comedian said you could model for a pancake box. th is a black comedian. does he not realize you could probably kick his butt? >> he doesn't realize that. i might be older than him, but i still have some muscles left. here is what liberals do. and this doesn't surprise me. when they have no record to stand on and i'm talking about president obama's record, they try to defend failed policies with name calling. garofolo says, "obviously somebody is paying herman cane to run for the republican nomination." my response was, "ms. garofolo, if you were to send me that person's phone number, they are behind in their payment. i would love for somebody to pay me.
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i would love to have money." but in the words of my grandfather, who didn't have a lot of education, "i does not care." >> is it true you technically are a rocket scientist? >> i worked on rocket ballistics early in my career as a mathematician. so, yes, some people call me a rocket scientist because as a ballistics analyst my job was to figure out how to use -- how to properly launch a rocket from a ship or aircraft and properly hit the target. that is ballistics and that's all i did. >> that's all you need to snow when dealing with iran. -- all you need to know when dealing with iran. it is where to aim. >> where to aim the rocket. matter of fact, that's part of my strategy for how we contain iran. we have a capability called ballistic missile detection capability on a series of warships. we can upgrade that such that we will have the most
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sophisticated technology in the world to be able to position those ships in the right part of the world and quite frankly dare iran to fire at us or israel. we will have the capability to knock it out before it gets to where it is going, and we will have the ability to immediately retaliate. peace through strength. it was peace through strength and clarity. i want to make it clear to them if they attacked one of our friends or if they attacked the united states of america. >> time for one last question. your book is coming out. it is top 10 amazon. are you going on a book tour during this campaign? >> it started today. in fact we leave here to go to orlando tomorrow. the book tour started today. it is on amazon.com. we came up with a very creative name, this is herman cane. >> i thought you took a longtime to come up with that. at least you didn't do a pun like raising cane, candycane.
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i love it. thanks for coming by on short notice. >> my pleasure. >> do you have a comment on the show? e-mail us. fox news .com. or leave us an e-mail. still to come, the half time report from tv's andy levy. don't like him. >> tonight's half time report is sponsored by snakes, the legless reptiles with the scaly body tapering toward the tale, lidless eyes and often venomous fangs. thanks, snakes.
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let's find out if we have got anything wrong so far. now to andy levy. >> were you just on a high after that interview. good for you. >> but we will get to that in a minute. >> will we? >> i still can't believe he compared obama to net tinhu. it sickens me. you said he wasn't comparing obama to hitler, which i great with, but his follow-up comments indicates that's what he was doing. >> the grabbing for something out there that he doesn't like and putting it into a thing he doesn't like. >> that's the only rule you
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have to remember. >> it is a 20-second song and a four-hour telecast. they would have been better on to move away from it. >> you proved that. >> and not be punished and banished. >> are you ready for some andy? >> you say the metaphor was wrong. maybe that's because it was an analogy, idiot. >> it is just geting -- getting started. you said it exists for exactly this thing.
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it doesn't exist so you can say things without consequences. >> the principal of free speech and the reason the first amendment exists is because people are supposed to have to be more tolerant of controversial speech. it doesn't exist so you can only tolerate politically correct speech. >> no, it is so hank williams doesn't go to jail. >> that's my point. >> but it is different from people not liking what he said and for his speech having consequences. as long as the government is not putting him in jail. >> but the principal behind the law is people are tolerant of speech they do not like. >> no it is not. >> yes, it is. >> it has nothing to do with tolerating speech other than they have to here it because it is not illegal. >> you can't throw somebody in jail for something they don't like. >> but people can choose not to tolerate certain speech and companies can say, you can say what you want burkts are you not part of our company if you say it. >> there is phrase yolg of
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tolerant speech within the context of the analysis of the first amendment. i know that because i'm an attorney. >> first you are not an attorney. you are a comedian, and not a good one. >> is that your rebuttal in court? you stink. >> pretty much. >> i was not arguing that this was a first amendment issue. i realize he is not going to jail and being fired by a private company. i understand the legalities. but the existence of the first amendment shows our country supports tolerating speech. it does not happen in our society anymore. the second somebody says anything that offends somebody else they are fired and. >> especially if it is offensive. it is all black and white now. >> ironically, the thing that hank williams, junior was against was the discussion of differences.
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>> right, which is, you know, yeah, and the irony is lost on him. but that's exactly right. >> he was against them playing golf together and high fiveing while everybody is sitting around without jobs. that's the point he was trying to make. >> no he wasn't. >> i will wait until you are done and then tell you why you are wrong. >> by saying it was obama -- by saying it was hitler and netanyahu sitting down he was saying have you two guys who shouldn't be sitting together, sitting together and talking. that's what he is saying. >> but andy, what is lost on you is espn reinforced a stupid thing he was saying is people who are different shouldn't interact and shouldn't discuss -- >> no, they didn't. >> yes, they did. that's exactly what they are saying. you can't talk if you don't agree. >> if ronald mcdonald was going around and calling obama hitler, mcdonalds would have every right to fire him. >> but he is the face of the
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brand. >> you guys, you guys. ronald mcdonald is not real. i'm sorry, andy. if you weren't going to interject on that, i was. >> i was going to let there be an interesting conversation, but you killed any chance of that. >> what part of what i said was wrong? >> no, it is the point is no part of what you said was interesting. >> why is the camera still on me? >> diane, what you and paul were saying is it was the same excuse used by the dixie chicks when they said something bad about president bush, and their record sales took a nose-dive. >> they complained on both sides. >> they started making it a free speech issue which it is not. they had the right to say what they said hank williams junior said. but it doesn't mean there
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aren't consequences. >> i can still think it is stupid on espn's part to make such a big deal outf it and fire a guy for saying something in an interview that has nothing to do with the job he does for the company. >> of course you think it is stupid. >> there are shades of gray. >> now that he is spewing cliches can we move on? >> it is what it is. >> yes, it is what it is. van jones elected tea parties. diane, it is hard to drum up an opposition movement when you are in power. but i don't think for example the people occupying wall street think they are in power. >> well, the wall street movement is against the people on wall street. van jones is trying to drum up support for a political movement, and right now the democrats are in power. >> right, but van jones is not talking about drumming up democrats hee. is talking about doing what the tea party is doing. >> but are you talking about rallying behind obama. >> somebody was talking in my
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ear annoyingly jie. he is talking about rallying around obama. >> i don't think he is talking necessarily about rallying obama. his point was the mistake that progressives made was they put all of their eggs in one basket with obama. they have to realize the movement needs to be bigger than that. in a similar way what he was saying was the tea party isn't tied to one particular person. it is based on issues. >> the tea party isn't tied to a particular person, but again, what they are trying to do is change the policies being passed in this country. the majority of the policies in place in this country are on the left because they are the party in power. >> paul, you said the problem is the democrats aren't unified so they can never be like the tea parties, and again you are an idiot. i don't know if you didn't listen to the story or didn't listen to van jones or didn't read the story. that was van jones' whole point, the democrats are not unified. he said they need to be unified and that's what they need to work on. >> i say it is an
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impossibility for them. there are too many major forces too diverse. they can never come together. conservatives and liberals have one thing in common. conservatives hate liberals and liberals hate liberals. >> i understand the point, andy, it just can't happen. how do you have a movement the first time you mentioned it two years later? if i just heard of it two years later i would have zero traction right now. >> herman cane interview, greg, speaking how liberal heads were exploding, you said "it was like microwave popcorn, every two minutes." >> that's the rule. you know, it is one every 20 seconds when you are popping popcorn when it is ready. that was a mistake. >> also, i love when cane said he had a few people on his short list for vice president
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and you were sucked in asking who they were. that was clearly what he wanted you to do, so i'm glad you didn't do that. >> i don't play those games. let those other guys do that. let those other guys get the story. i am done. >> i did break some stories. i broke some information. didn't i? >> you broke something. >> the table. coming up, can giant lips give you flight? paul mccurio on why he never takes a plane. first, i sit down with a "red eye" regular for an interview that can't bemised. -- be missed. no joke.
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joe derosa that is going to change tonight. joe has written a new book chronicling his experience as an adopted child. it is called "who aim, and where did i come from" one man's journey from anonymous birth to recognized existence. we are glad to have joe here to discuss this important book. joe, what made you decide to write this? >> greg, it is very complicated. this is the subject of adoption. it is something i have talked about in public, but in my act. it is only discussed humorously -- >> god, i can't believe we agreed to do this segment. is this the -- the d or the e block? either way this show is almost over. should i get chinese or italian? maybe mexican should be good. what is today's date anyways? is it the fourth or the fifth? the operation is on the 15th, so about 10 days ago give or take, i can't wait.
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i will probably sound like this after the hormones which will be so great. omg, like i can't even imagine. anyway, joe is still talking? should i just let him keep going? whatever, i will just daydream until he stops, i guess. what aim doing here? i am in the middle of nowhere. who is that? who are you? >> it is kurt. >> kurt who? >> kurt loder. >> what are you doing here? >> i am here because i am in your dream, and your dream is taking place in brooklyn. it is good you are here because the dream that is playing is black moth super rainbow and i will take new to see them. >> should i be scared? >> yes. >> why am i here in this bathroom? this is the weirdest dream ever. what aim doing here? -- what am i doing here? >> i have arranged for us to
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talk to him under special circumstances. >> like what? >> she waiting for us in that stall. >> all right. i can do that. >> my hands are clean. >> i thought you were going to the bathroom, but are you hiding in here. what's the deal? >> i don't like people to know -- >> because you can't leave tobacco at home. he is 5 foot 3 and hideous. he is a hideous human being. >> did you exercise? >> you know, what it wasn't, and now i actually wrote the whole thing as kind of a jogging soundtrack. >> maniac meats is the album i
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listen to every day that got me to lose 30 pounds. >> really? >> how would you describe it? >> it is music in the way i hear it and the way i want it to be. >> do you take a lot of drugs? >> no. >> you don't need to, do you? >> no. >> so you don't take drugs anymore? you stopped taking drugs? >> i haven't ever. >> are you sure? >> there are no casual fans of black moth or tobacco. >> they are not my favorite, but i like them. they are the bro guys like me. they are like, i saw you in "rolling stone." had to come out and get [bleep] drunk.
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>> washat great or what? >> that was like the greatest show ever. >> amazing. >> i can't believe you just entered my world. >> you may see me again sometime. not tonight. i have other dreams be in. i'm glad we could have these moments together. >> i was thinking maybe we could go catch a movie or get something to eat. i know this great diner that -- where did he go? where did kurt loder go? he just came and went like a vapor. >> i think it really opens just a door to a whole new world, and i finally opened that door. >> well, that's some exciting stuff, joe. >> well, greg, i really hope that you can go out and read the book. i know we only had a few minutes here, but everything i said was -- >> great, i appreciate you sharing it with us. you can buy the book on amazon, i presume. all right. thanks, joe. it is time to take a break.
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norwegian, the plane was as fast as the missile. they are not supposed to be that warks greg. they are supposed to be quicker. >> remind me in the daytime to look at the video they put in. >> i blame our new intern. >> what the hell was that? >> that shot of when it hit -- >> i apologize to everybody at home who had to sit through that. it is 3:50 in the morning and they have to look at that? >> appropriate to herman cane though. >> you are fired, intern. >> my brother-in-law lives in denmark. >> have i no concern. >> we will close things out with a post game wrap up from tv's andy levy. it is such a good show. and to see clips of recent shows -- and then we ruin it with a stupid video. >> you are like espn drawing attention to something.
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at 5:00 p.m. eastern time. coming up tomorrow on the next "red eye." it is like a combination of "the five" and" the onion." dana and bob beckle and suzanne, senna. >> there is sexy and beckle sexy. hi, andy. >> dye anne what is going on? i. >> we are playing around and we want to to see what our prize will be for battle of the bands and we have been get august lot of phone calls. >> don't you work in the morning? >> isn't it a bit of a conflict? >> i poll. >> -- i apologize. >> that's why i didn't get a prize. >> jaime, what larry s david figure celebrated? >> that would be my good friend who celebrateed on tuesday. he is around yet another year
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to torment the world with his glut nuss. -- gluttness. >> any other upcoming lousy shows? >> november fourth and fifth -- why are you laughing at me? i will be at the got thom come -- gothem comedy club. and everybody is coming. >> save us a couple tables. >> and drink tickets. >> yours will be marked idiot. >> i'm sure we could find some space. >> that's so true. >> november 4th and 5th. >> thanks, andy. diana, always a pleasure. bill schulz, you disgu me. paul mccurio, why? jaime weinstein, a pleasure for having you on. >> thank you for having me. >> you should thank me.
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