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and we follow them up there to live by an unbreakable promise, stitched into every uniform of every captain who takes their command: to fly. to serve. >> welcome back. the protests that started on wall street three weeks ago are starting to get some support. not only are they spreading across the country to different towns but now organized labor unions are throwing their weight behind the movement so why are they there? and how does the occupy wall street crowd stack up against protests from the past? here with a historical look, fox news legal analyst peter johnson jr. >> i think in a nutshell what we have is a flash mob in search of a message. we now have a web cam wobblies.

the wobblies were an organized labor group early in the 20th century so we have all the trappings of revolution but we basically have the little rascals gone camping in downtown manhattan. and so they're not sure what the message is. but they are sure they have support and they are sure now that they've really become the unintentional dukes of the 2012 election. there are no democratic primaries in 2012. so -- >> so it's going to be like this? >> so the most powerful unions in the united states are ginning up a message of class warfare unfortunately. >> yeah. >> unfortunately. >> well, and we talked a little bit about this in the last hour and that is, you know, you got the car union guys there yesterday. you have the teachers. you got members of the service employees union all there. they've all got bailouts so for them to say, you know, we're upset at wall street getting a bailout, they got one, too. >> the narrative is false. 99% of america is not

underwater. 99% of america are not disadvantaged. 99% of america are not downtrodden by the government and by wall street and to a great extent, wall street is main street. what is this movement? are they jefferson, hamilton, madison, are they solidarity in poland? is this the french revolution? are they lenin, are they anarchists, like you talked about earlier, i don't know what they are. they don't know what they are. what they risk is being used in a greater national political picture where their message, whatever it is, becomes secondary to other people's ambitions and so that's my concern for them. my other concern is that we now have this mainstream media narrative that somehow they're separated at birth from the tea party, these folks. these folks are not separated at birth from the tea parties. they have a radical choice. they have the same choice that my father sought in the mid 1930's. he lost his father. he was helping raise eight

children with his widowed mother. he used to go to union square in downtown manhattan and hear the anarchists and the socialists talk about revolution and talk about overthrowing the government. he said, do i go that way or do i go out and try to find a job and support my family? and do what i can within the system. he chose the system. let's see whether they choose the system or whether the system uses them as we go forward. >> interesting analysis. >> yeah. >> where do they go from here? >> thank you very much. >> ok. >> straight ahead, remember tarp? it was supposed to help people struggling with their mortgages so why does it feel like nothing was fixed? we'll ask the former inspector general of tarp next. and on this date back in 1995, mariah carrey's hit song "fantasy" numero ono. that's good morning, veggie style. hmmm [ male announcer ] for half the calories -- plus veggie nutrition. could've had a v8.

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>> it's been three years that the treasury department has dumped billions of dollars in a thing called tarp. from tarp came hamp but it's not working. former inspector general will testify on the hill today about tarp. why we needed it then and what's it doing now? first off, neil, for those just coming out of a cocoon, tell us what tarp was designed to do. >> tarp was designed to do two things. one, of course, was to rescue wall street. save the large financial institutions which in large part caused the financial crisis. but important part of tarp which often gets lost was it was supposed to help struggling home owners, supposed to help them stay in their homes through preserving home ownership and the way that was ultimately expressed is through this mortgage modification program, the home affordable modification program or hamp.

>> what happened from doing the right thing and putting money there for tarp? why does it come out with underwater mortgages and those who need the bailout and wanted taxpayer money to do it. >> basically it was a poorly designed plan that has been completely incompetently administered. the program was rushed out with a really ready, fire, aim approach that resulted in bad planning, the administration of the program has been poor. the incentive structure is bad. there haven't been penalties for these mortgage serviceers who really have done a terrible job. and as a result, we have tremendously anemic results. here we are 2 1/2 years later. >> you mentioned 2 1/2 years later. when was hamp put into play and who was overseeing it? >> this program was created february of 2009. it was announced by president obama with the promise to help up to 4 million american families stay in their homes through government-sponsored subsidized mortgage modifications. here we are 2 1/2 years later, it's fewer than 700,000 have actually been helped on an ongoing basis. >> looking back, you're the voice of reason and logic when it comes to tarp.

we still have a hard time getting our head wrapped around it. do you believe that tarp was a good thing then and do you think so now? >> well, tarp was good in the limited aspect that it helped along with other programs prevent a complete financial armageddon which really would have had devastating consequences and i believe that would have happened absent tarp and some of the other programs. that doesn't mean it's been a success. it's failed to accomplish its goals with respect to homeowners. it's failed to revive the economy through restored lending which it was supposed to do, and it's really failed to deal with one of the big parts of tarp which is the continued power of too big to fail institutions that can still bring down our entire financial system in a blink. so it's a mixed bag. >> should they have been told, neil, hey, bankers, i'm going to give you this money. you better put it out for the people. should that have been a mandate? >> that was one of the goals of the program originally is how treasury got the votes is

promising they would deliver mortgage modifications and help deserving struggling homeowners, they had all that leverage in 2008 and 2009 and they decided not to use it and instead they put up this -- this program which in retrospect was a ridiculously poor attempt to fulfill tarp's goals. >> three year anniversary, since the creation of tarp. no one is celebrating but neil is talking about it at congress today. thanks so much. >> thanks for having me. >> all right. coming up straight ahead, the atf put guns in the hands of drug dealers and now they want some accountability. michelle malkin explains how next. plus he wants his jobs bills passed and now he's using your cash to get it done. president obama back on the bus to get out the message. we let you name the bus tour at the top of the hour. yesterday doesn't win.

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>> gretchen: good morning, everyone. hope you're going to have a great day. it's thursday, october 6. i'm gretchen carlson. it happens in states across the country. unions joining forces with angry

protesters. does size matter? i'm going to stop for a minute. does size really matter if we don't know why they're mad? >> steve: meanwhile, fan, family members and former business fauxes all mrning the death of apple founder steve jobs. how this iconic innovator will go down in history for changing the way the world works. >> brian: president obama admits his jobs bill is running out of gas. now he's getting ready to fire up the rv again. we asked you to name the bus and the bus tour and your ideas are just pouring in. we'll gather them up and read them to you. "fox & friends" starts right now >> steve: would that be rv 1, like air force 1. >> brian: it could be. we know it was built especially for presidents, this president, and presidents in future in canada. >> steve: you know who is on his bus tour rv right now, somebody

who used to come to the show all the time. william shatner. remember him, center "star trek"? he used to be on the show all the time. then he got to be a big tv star again. >> brian: he was nothing before us. >> steve: until today. >> gretchen: he has a new cd as well as a new book. let's do some headlines for thursday because we have to begin with a heart breaking story out of kansas city, missouri, this morning. her baby girl was snatched from her crib as she slept. now little lisa irwin's mom making an emotional plea for her daughter's safe return. >> bring her home. our two other boys are waiting for her. please, drop her off anywhere. we don't care. somewhere safe where she can come home, please. >> gretchen: deborah bradley shays put her to bed around 10:30 monday night. when her dad checked in at 4:00 a.m. in the morning, lisa was gone. police believe that she may have been taken by an intruder who climbed through a first floor window, but they don't have any

solid leads so far. a massive manhunt underway near san jose, california. armed swat team members going door to door looking for the suspect. he's a youry working -- quarry worker who killed three people. three others wounded, including a woman that he tried to carjack afterwards. he's a single father of one, reportedly a former advocate against domestic violence, but now police painting a much different picture and say he should be considered armed and extremely dangerous. gabrielle giffords returns to washington, d.c., taking break from her rehab to attend a retirement ceremony for her husband, captain mark kelly who is retiring now from the navy after 25 years of service. this is giffords' second trip to the capitol since she was shot nine months ago. she also made a surprise visit in august. this video here, to those on the

debt ceiling. on the road again. you know that tune? >> brian: i bet he can't wait to get on the road again. >> gretchen: president obama about to embark on another taxpayer funded bus tour to try to sell his jobs bill. this time he'll be headed to virginia and north carolina. earlier on the show, we asked you what the bus tour should be called. we got great responses. like this one, joanne from new york, they suggest the running on empty express. suzanne in georgia recommends the scam tram. oh, my goodness. in reference to the fact that the pus he uses -- the bus he uses use are made in canada.

>> brian: very nice. >> gretchen: they're so creative so early in the morning. >> brian: right. you wouldn't know by our show? you do know that -- >> gretchen: you drew that analysis. >> brian: we're going to play this back later. >> steve: we can e-mail because of the next guy. millions all over the world mourning the loss of steve jobs. he passed away yesterday at the age of 56. from cell phones to computers to how we use the internet, reshaped technology. >> gretchen: joining us with more on his legacy, clayton morris, who was just in california fort unveiling of the new iphone. it's horrible timing and any time that a man so young die, clayton, but there you are out there talking about just another advance that this man had done and now he's gone. >> right. you're right, i wouldn't be out here if it weren't for the big iphone launch, which was steve's baby. let's go back to when he was in

the garage, coming up with the personal computer. you remember at the time, ibm was making these giant massive computers and they thought people don't want these in their home. he was a genius. the reason he was such a visionary is because he saw the power of what a personal computer could do. he said, can we get this in people's homes? ask the personal computer revolution was completed. he was a genius in that he managed to see things in a way others couldn't see it and able to strip products of things they didn't need. when you see apple, you ask, where are all the buttons? he said it's often what you leave out, which makes it such a success. fact that my one-year-old son can't walk, can't talk, but knows how to turn on an ipad, swipe to unlock, navigate through folders of apps and launch peek a boo barn tells you about the genius of this man. >> steve: absolutely. not long ago, steve jobs himself

spoke about death, didn't he? >> right. he gave one of the most remarkable -- if he had time this -- if you have 20 minutes, watch on youtube his commencement address from 2005 at stanford. it's really poignant and he talks about death as one of life's great inventions. take a listen to this. >> no one wants to die. even people who want to go to heaven don't want to die to get there. and yet, death is the destination we all share. no one has ever escaped it. and that is as it should be because death is very likely the single best invention of life. >> he also talked about in that address, living every day as if it were his last. that was sort of his message at that commencement address because he was aware of his illness at the time, of course, and had struggled and he had lost his job at apple, fired by the board back then. came back to save the company. so he's really lived his life to the fullest and all these

tributes pouring in from all over the world, bill gates, president obama, and the president of news corps and our parent company, fox news channel , rupert murdoch sending condolences who helped change fox, if you think about it. take a look. remarkable. today we lost one of the most influential thinkers, creators and entrepreneurs of all time. steve jobs was simply the greatest ceo of his generation. while i am deeply sdened by his loss, i am reminded of the stunning impact he had in revolutionizing the way people consume media. and he launched the daily, the ipad only publication and moving the "wall street journal" onto the ipad so people read that instead of a physical newspaper in the morning. >> steve: that's right. clayton morris reporting live from san francisco. let's go out to colorado

springs. michelle malkin, i see last night you posted this. there is perhaps no greater image of irony tonight than that of the anticorporate occupy wall street movement paying tribute to steve jobs. >> shush, there is a lot of cognitive disnans over there in lower manhattan and a lot of us who have been observing these very privileged young people tweeting, facebooking, youtubing, using their iphones and all sorts of technology invented and marketed by these evil corporations don't see the cognitive dissonance and yet mourning one of the creative geniuses who shows us the miracle of the spontaneous order of capitalism. and i think it is definitely worth teaching young children and the next generation how an

iphone and ipad, an imac, all of which i use, by the way, embodies how an individual can make such a difference in the world. i mean, you've got all these young kids who whine, they've got such a sense of entitlement and yet, the people who truly change the world are revolutionaries, like steve jobs. he belonged to no one. he transcended politics. he didn't care about all of the millions of users around the world who used his products. he pursued his self-interest and the profit motive and he benefited the world. >> gretchen: and he gave away millions at the same time. let's talk about now this movement, this occupy wall street. now it looks like the unions are joining forces and van jones, remember him, as the green czar under president obama before he was forced out, he's calling now for this sort of left wing tea party. do you buy it?

>> well, these professional agitators have been lurking in the background. a lot of the occupy wall street folks i think are feeling a little resentment that they're trying to jump in front of the parade now. but they've been doing the same kind of thing, organizing these sorts of street marches for a while now. i think what they wanted to do was wait and see if the day of rage would come of anything. remember, this has been going on for almost a month now. they've been keeping an eye on it. and van jones, of course, launched this new american dream initiative, which is going to rely on a lot of these street people to keep it going. i think what's worrisome now is the fact that you've got this muscle on the ground and we have seen that they are willing to push the limits to provoke the police to make themselves look like victims in order to rally the base.

i think that a lot of these occupy wall street rank and file are not going to like being co- opted by professional grievance amongers. >> brian: i got to ask you real quick about the fast and furious situation. don't worry. problem avoided. the atf decided to reassign people. jones says i'm going to reshuffle some of the people to focus on core mission of violent crime. is this crisis averted or do you think the attorney general is still in a lot of trouble for different statements he made from the facts? >> yeah. this is just the latest in the whole narrative of screw up, move up, cover up, now they're shuffling up all over again. it's not going to work because the friday document dump from last week, coupled with all of the revelations by the cbs news reporter who has been on top of this, are naming names. we've had both charles grassley and darryl issa telling us for upwards of a year now that all

of these top level officials know about it. but their names are not going to be white washed in this latest shuffle up and i'm talking about people like laney brewer and gary grindler, people at the white house and at the top levels of the justice department who knew, which, of course, begs the question of the vasty of not only eric holder's testimony, but barak obama himself. >> steve: you mentioned atkinson from cbs. she was working on the story about what eric holder has said. here she is on the laura ingraham program saying that the white house and department of justice let her have it. >> well, the doj woman was just yelling at me. >> who was it? >> a guy literally screamed at me. >> who was the person at justice screaming? >> eric schultz -- the person screaming was tracy shmaller and eric schultz screamed at the white house. >> gretchen: your reaction? >> yeah. war on whistle blowers. it's been going on for a long

time and now we see main stream media reporters being subjected to it as well. i think this shows you why there has been such little attention to it by the rest of the main stream media. they don't want to tick these people off. >> gretchen: she was being unreasonable because she was the only one looking into it. always great to see you. we'll see you next week. >> you bet. >> gretchen: coming up, we go one on one with simon cowell, he's giving us the inside scoop on some of his co-stars. >> it's like a three-month dinner party. you've really, really got to be comfortable with these people. >> i'm gog say yes. >> yes. >> yes. >> you got four yeses [ gong ] strawberry banana! [ male announcer ] for a smoothie with real fruit plus veggie nutrition new v8 v-fusion smoothie. could've had a v8. is non-stop to seattle? just carry new preparation h totables.

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>> brian: buying a home is confusing enough. legal terms make it more confusing. what are some of the key terms every homeowner should know? you're not going to ask me. i'm going to ask bob massi and you'll listen. he's a fox news legal analyst and real estate expert.

you join us. start unwinding some of these terms for us. for example, mortgage/loan service provider. >> servicer, the ones who we make our payments to, brian. what they do is take adam shapiro minutetive fee out, they pay your insurance and then they send the money forward to the investor or the lender who you owe the money to. so they're the in between people. these are terms we're going to talk about today that people are now confronted with that they never heard of before. >> brian: right. so that person will make sure certain things are executed in a deal, which will cost more money, right? >> they basically take a fee out and they just -- if our payment is $1,000 a month. you send it, they pay your taxes and insurance and send the balance to the lender. >> brian: another term, lost mitigation. why do we need to know that now? >> because lost mitigation is the division of a lender that once you're in default on your payment, at some point, brian, it will go from the servicer, if you will, over to this lost

mitigation division of the lender that's basically now going to say, these are the things available to you 'cause you're in default. loan modification, as we heard today on your program, hamp has not worked. different programs. but the lost mitigation division, when you get a letter from a lender that says you're now at loss mitigation, that means you're in default and they'll be in charge of this loan. >> deed in lieu of foreclosure. >> yeah. a lot of times people say to me, hey, can i just turn over the keys to the lender? the answer to that question is no. deed in lieu of foreclosure means you could deed the property back to the lender, practically speaking, brian, they're not going to take a deed back from us. the way they interpret that is a short sale. that is where you sell the home for less than what it's work. it's a word that people have to understand, but it doesn't happen practically speaking. >> brian: asset management.

>> it means after the foreclosure, the lender owns it. they now are in charge of managing their asset that they took from you as a result of a default. >> brian: new terms with an old deal and the old deal was buying houses, it got harder. bob massi, thanks so much. >> always good to see you. >> brian: moments ago, the president announcing he will hold a press conference today at 11:00 o'clock eastern time. this should be fascinating because in ten minutes, we're going to be getting the new unemployment numbers. then if $16 for a muffin got you mad, wait until you hear this new justice department scandal. one official accused of using taxpayer money to finance trips to see his girlfriend. there's only one bottle left !

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>> brian: welcome back. 23 minutes after the hour. as you know, he left one of the most successful reality tv shows in recent history to begin his own. we're talking about simon cowell. he has big plans for "x factor." now here is part 2 of a four-part series with simon and here is what he had to say about "x factor." >> when we decided to put the show in years ago, the whole point was, was a, so that we could actually do something constructive with the contestants rather than say, i hate you, i like you. >> brian: this show we've seen so far, we've seen the audition phase in front of crowds. no more sanitary rooms. the crowd plays a role and possible -- in possibly what the judges think and possibly if they get through?

>> it's a different kind of audition. i used to do "x factor" in the same way, about the size of this, quiet. these people would come in and they'd sing. it was like an odd experience. i couldn't really -- i found it hard to tell if somebody was good. once we tried it in the u.k. where we brought in an audience, it changed the audition completely 'cause now you find out who can pform. this kid we found from new jersey also, brian, obnoxious, opinionated. >> brian: and like me, a rapper. >> who does he remind me of? but i loved him because he played to the crowd. he knew he had 3 or 4,000 people there. if he had have walked in on his own the old-fashioned way, it wouldn't have been the same audition. he thrived on that. once the audience got behind him, he became amazing. but the crowd did that. >> brian: we saw a lot of talent. you have over 150 that get through. you got to quickly knock them

down. the boot camp. tell me about boot camp. >> we could have made this snow a variety of different ways. when i saw the first cut, it was what i call a sanitized cut, where you're not really seeing what i'm seeing. i turn around and i said, you got to show the guys at home what we experienced, which is the terrible auditions, the good auditions, the meltdowns. i want you to be able to experience this show as if you were a contestant. last night was an indication of what it's like to be a contestant on the show. tonight we've got a cut a ton of people. we're going to end up with 32 contestants. it wasn't just a boot camp for them. it was a boot camp for me, like

you'll see tonight. i have a total utter meltdown because i hated what was going on. >> brian: right. >> normally we wouldn't show that kind of stuff, but that's what happens. >> brian: you're back together with paula. you have l.a. reed. i know you were tight with randy to begin with. you also have nicole. so tell me about the four of you and how important it is for you to get along or not get along. >> you got to be comfortable with the people you're working with. you got to respect them and you got to have different views. i always say it's like a three-month dinner party. you've really, really got to be comfortable with these people. you can't be afraid to say something they're not going to like. you've got to be happy to argue with them. that's always a sign actually you get on well. >> brian: in the end, there will be $5 million given away. what about to the others that get close? is a second place prize, is there a third place prize? >> i don't want to hear two people saying, it's not winning, it's the taking part.

i don't live by those rules. i live by if you're going to take part, you want to win. i want people on this show who want to win, who are not afraid to admit -- there is nothing wrong with it -- i want to win the $5 million and i'm gog work harder than you and you to prove that i'm the best. 'cause the only way you're going to be a star in the real world as a singer, you've got to want to kill your competition. that's life. >> brian: what a producer. >> gretchen: that pretty much sums up who simon cowell is, you got to kill your competition. >> brian: 60 cut by the end of the week. >> gretchen: it's a fascinating show. i can watch it with my kids, which makes it that much better. >> brian: a relief. >> steve: that's part 2 of your four-part series. more tomorrow. >> brian: i'm going to make a decision. yes, it's going to be tomorrow. >> gretchen: make a decision while we say this. breaking news, moments ago, president obama announcing a news conference from the white house. this as we expect brand-new jobless claims moments from now. >> steve: remember the last time william shatner was here?

let yourself in. >> easier said than done. >> steve: he couldn't get in the studio. this time we had a change of heart and now he is taking over. what are you doing in the control room? >> i walked in here. >> brian: push some buttons. people don't know what they're doing. >> steve: you got that right. william shatner has a brand-new book. he'll join us to talk about it -- >> a guy is screaming. it's a camera man. it's a wonderful program. >> steve: all right. we're going to talk about the book and so much more with william shatner, live from new york. do you know how you will react when someone changes lanes without warning? or when you're distracted? when you're falling asleep at the wheel?

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>> steve: fox business alert. the labor department just releasing their latest weekly jobless numbers. 401,000 first time unemployment claims were filed. they were estimating 410, so that's a little less than expected. we've got eric bolling joining us live. but it's still over 400. >> over 400, that makes it 22 out of the last 25 weeks elevated, over 400, that's a bad number. people coming in for the first time looking for benefits. very interestingly, about half an hour ago, i think brian, you mentioned it, mr. obama is going to make -- announced he's going

to make an unscheduled jobs speech from the east room. >> steve: press conference? >> press conference. okay. why? why is he getting out in front -- by the way, tomorrow, big number. the unemployment number for the month comes out. >> steve: the white house know that number? >> maybe they're hearing it could be elevated again. he may want to jump out in front of it. >> gretchen: let's get the fast track on that. let's go out to wendell goler 'cause he might know a thing or two about what this press conference will be about. good morning to you, wendell. >> good morning, gretchen. the president will have an opening statement and it will be about job creation, which has been really says hinge collar focus in -- singular focus in recent weeks. the majority leader of the house, the speaker of the house, the minority leader of the senate, all pushing his $450 billion american jobs act, which republicans say is dead on arrival. the white house says the president will continue to push for it. isn't willing to bargain away

parts of it right now. jay carney saying yesterday, quote, his responsibility as president is to have these conversations with the american people, to take his message out and explain the approach he's taking. and in this case, to urge americans to make their voices heard. there will be questions about other things, among them, the bureau of alcohol, tobacco and firearms fast and furious gun sting which went bad. sent guns into mexico. attorney general holder saying he didn't hear about it until earlier this year when e-mails indicate he was told of the program itself, though not the controversy, sometime last year. also questions about whether or not u.s. trainers will remain in iraq beyond the end of the year. there are indications they will. this is his first news conference since august when libya was hot. less so now. we still haven't come across moammar gadhafi yet. guys? >> gretchen: the president about to embark on yet another taxpayer funded bus tour as well. that was announced to north carolina and virginia, i

believe, to promote his jobs bill. so will he be talking about how he's going to be selling this plan and why is he continuing to go out and do this? some people are asking that taxpayers shouldn't pay for campaign trips. >> the president's trips are the president's trips. when he's running for reelection, they become policy trips and campaign trips. they do so for all presidents and taxpayers pay for them. there are some political costs that are deafraid, but they are relatively minor. but all presidents do this. the president is selling his american jobs act because he believes it will create jobs and polls indicate the public supports it. economists say more jobs could be created and the president says that's what we need is to put americans back to work. that will be the best way of dealing with our debt problem. so you can expect the president to continue to push for this plan. that's what presidents do.

>> steve: it is. wendell, we thank you for the live report. still with us, eric bolling. one of the other things that probably will be brought up at this press conference at 11:00 o'clock which people will see right here on the fox news channel, people will ask him about occupy wall street. it will be the first time he has actually pinned down to what he thinks about those people who are down there. >> right. and we're finding more and more, michelle magazine kin talked about it, we're finding more and more that the unions are hooking into it, the very left wing progressive groups. moveon.org, george soros funded lefty organization, locking arms with occupy wall street as well. here is the issue: move on.org is closely tied to, or let's put this way, they backed barak obama very, very strongly in 2008. looks like they're going to be doing it again in 2012. so does the obama administration want to get behind left wing protesters downtown? i'm going to keep my distance from them. >> gretchen: especially if it

gets more violent. >> brian: yesterday the president was asked -- jay carney was asked a couple times about the new millionaire's tax that senator schumer is saying if you make $250,000, you're really middle class. it should start at millionaire level, which means 155,000 americans would have their taxes increased 5%. the white house, do they have a stand on that? >> it's class warfare. the initial way to pay for the $447 billion jobs program that he's going to talk about today at 11:00 o'clock was hey, let's throw that $500 billion almost, half a trillion, this the super committee. then they say, well, the super committee will have a hard time with atrialian and a half they already have to find. so they said, let's do it with $250,000 and above earners, and then also close tax loopholes to oil companies. oil state senators, democrats said no. that's not going to work. so the last one they're going after is the millionaires and keep raising the bar, pointing

the finger at somebody. there you have it. >> steve: meanwhile, the brand-new number, 401,000. >> brian: we'll see you on "the five" tonight. >> i'll host cavuto first at 4:00 o'clock. then i'll run across the breezeway and host "the five." >> gretchen: busy guy. we have to get to the other huge story of the day because that is the passing of iconic innovator steve jobs. someone who says he will miss him as much as anyone is apple co-founder, steve wozniak. >> brian: he joins us on the phone. so sorry for your loss. you knew -- we knew that steve jobs was sick, but having him pass away i guess just brings reality home. >> i was caught flat footed. didn't expect it. what's really getting to me, it was just like being hit with a pole and you're stunned and for a few days, you aren't thinking the way you did about everything

else. you're kind of hung up on it, like when john lennon got killed. and i think so deeply -- i just wish there were a chance to go back and have a dinner with him and share memories of the old days and you never get that again. i feel bad as i felt that way when my father passed away. you don't get another chance to go back and just talk about what was important to you. >> steve: there is going to be an empty chair at the table, isn't there? >> well, everybody has gotten so much from him. he's so generous and the comments i've been receiving, thousands of e-mails and facebook, it's unbelievable that one person, one business leader could ever touch that many people. to actually have so many people who loved their equipment that they have, their gadgets and all love it, like not just i use it and it works well. no. love carries over to him as a

symbol of it and very deservedly so. >> gretchen: of course, the two of you started together in the garage when your hopes and dreams, you never envisioned it would end up to where it is today. some people are calling him, steve -- they're calling steve jobs the einstein of our generation. would you agree with that? >> einstein is a difficult comparison. scientific versus kind of business. i put it more like maybe thomas edison, but certainly walt disney. bringing a lot of enjoyment to life. people just love everything that walt disney stood for. and the importance of the inventions of edison and steve was more a practical guy, building things that people used and einstein was more on that theoretical side. so i don't think of him as einstein. although his mind was. >> brian: for the longest time

he's been batting cancer -- battling cancer. he had the liver transplant. we've been watching his commencement addresses. did he ever talk about death, the legacy and the company, and anything as he knew this day would probably come much sooner than most of us? >> he would bring it up in ways that he wanted to talk about it and i don't talk about those things, so i never pursued it with him. sometimes he felt an earlier age that he was going to die young and he had to accomplish a lot and really change the world before he passed. in recent times, he's talked -- it surprised me that he actually was pretty much scared and felt very lucky that he had just barely avoided death after the cancer. >> steve: all right. joining us from california, steve wozniak, one of the founders of apple. we thank you very much on this tough day. >> i wish he were alive and i were the one. >> steve: all right. we thank you very much.

just a moment ago we showed the live tribute outside one of the apple stores here in midtown manhattan where people are leaving flowers and some notes as well. we know a lot of you can't travel to new york city, but on the apple web site right now, you go to the web page, apple.com, there's a picture of steve, just click on it, and you can send an e-mail to remembering steve at apple.com. that's it right there. >> gretchen: in the meantime, we're going to move ahead with this. the leader of america's most powerful unions says organized labor is getting stronger by the day. is he right or trying to rally a vote? wisconsin governor scott walker known for his efforts to keep unions which check here with us next. >> brian: remember the last time william shatner was here? he couldn't even get in through the door. now the actor, writer, and entertainer is in the prime of his career and we feel it's time for william shatner to come back and talk about his book and take control of our lives once again. at bayer, we're re-inventing aspirin for pain relief.

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>> gretchen: the protests on wall street against the big banks and capitalism growing and getting more violent. last night 27 people arrested in new york city. now big labor unions are descending on the scene. joining me now, a man who knows a lot about the unions from madison, wisconsin, governor scott walker. good to see you again, governor. >> good to be with you. i'm glad you're with me considering the packers are 4-0. i thought you might have snuck out on us a little bit. >> gretchen: thanks for bringing that up. vikings 0-4. >> i didn't say what they were. i just said the packers were 4-0. >> gretchen: it's okay. i still can be your friend. let's talk about this because you have richard trumka come out and saying, look, we're growing! we have organized nine new hospitals. brought 30,000 new members into the fold. is that true? is that what you believe? >> well, i think there is real challenges out there because the states like wisconsin, we're giving workers the right to choose, part of our reform said

they actually get to make the choice whether or not they want to be part of a union or not. and that means unions have to work hard to earn their membership. and for us, that's fine. if the union is doing a great job, that's been the strength of at least some of these national union bosses has been the fact that they've been in states where they're allowed to force people to be a member. i don't think they should be and i think at the end, that's the best interest of the worker. >> gretchen: now we see these occupy wall street protests going on and word is that the unions are now helping them to organize. you felt like -- you know what that feels like 'cause that happened in wisconsin to you and we're looking now at the more violent video of the police last night, 27 arrests here in new york. what do you make of the unions getting involved in these protests? >> i think they're looking for ways to draw attention away from the real issues which are what do we need to do to get more people to work? the big thing, at least i think is get government out of the way, make it easier for job creators to create more jobs. all these other things are kind of distractions.

they're ways of trying to show activity, show action, suggest they're being advocates, but in the end, that doesn't put people to work. you were talking about the new jobless numbers coming out, the new unemployment rate coming out tomorrow. we need to ultimately put more power back in the hands of the people and that means the american consumer, the american entrepreneur, american job creator. not more money back in the hands of big government. that's really the debate going on here. >> gretchen: you had your own fight in the state of wisconsin. now we're seeing it play out in new york and across the country. governor walker, thanks so much for joining us today. we're short on time because of the breaking news with steve jobs. we'll see you sometime soon. >> good to be with you. >> gretchen: 80 years old, william shatner is still entertaining us. he's going to give us an inside look to the shatnerverse when he joins us next on the curvy couch. first let's check in with bill hemmer. >> i want to hear him sing. >> gretchen: he's got a new cd out, too. >> make that happen, gretch. >> gretchen: okay. >> good morning to you. breaking news from the jobs numbers. we'll see how that impacts the markets this morning. newt gingrich is making a move in our polling.

he's here live to talk about that today. and what now with palin and christie both taking a pass in one week? the missing infant in missouri has a country puzzle. we'll talk to the mother live. martha and i will see you in about ten minutes on "america's newsroom." [ gong ] strawberry banana! [ male announcer ] for a smoothie with real fruit plus veggie nutrition new v8 v-fusion smoothie. could've had a v8.

>> steve: william shatner likes to drop by "fox & friends" from time to time. that doesn't mean he can always get in the door. >> that's right. >> steve: wait, there is william shatner right there. >> i can't get in! >> steve: let yourself in, mr. big shot. >> easier said than done. >> steve: brian? >> brian: now william shatner is back. you saw him earlier take over the show. he's going to chat about his new book. >> steve: how did he do that? that's so cool!

>> i was locked in the control room. they had me pinned. >> gretchen: you should feel right at home down there. it reminded me of the starship intersurprise. >> a group of incompetents, i'm telling you. should we catch to camera one? i didn't know what. >> brian: i'm getting a wrap signal. >> steve: it's been a couple of years. where you been? >> i've been in california writing a book and making a record. >> steve: fantastic. talk about both. >> i brought it here like little offering as to you all. >> gretchen: thank you. it's called "shatnerverse." i said how long did it take to you do this. you said your whole life. >> i wrote a book, you say yes to opportunity. you should take this as a funnery. it's very funny. people laugh out loud. yet there is something to be learned from it and i'm very happy with it. >> brian: for example, could we go over one rule? always take shatner's word for it, even if you suspect he's lying. you be the guy -- you're

shatner. >> that's right. for example, they wouldn't let me out of the control room. >> brian: example. even if i think you're lying. i'm taking your word for it. >> how can i be lying? >> brian: because it's one of your rules. >> steve: here is another one. first rule for turning 80. just smile. you're lucky you made it. how could you possibly be 80 years old? >> i'm not really. it's a publicity gag. [ laughter ] i'm really 55 and it just makes better news. >> gretchen: you look darn good for 80. >> brian: you say you're looking death in the eye. >> i do. hey, you're 80. you're looking -- look at that. [ laughter ] a guy with a scythe. that's either daddy or death. >> gretchen: let's go back to picking people up. here is another rule. anything can be negotiated as long as you're not negotiating with your wife. >> have you met my wife? [ laughter ] you don't want to negotiate with her. it's true. i'm a negotiator. but that's also priceline.com.

>> steve: in addition to the book, shatner rules, you got new cd out. >> 20 of the greatest musicians alive today. >> steve: give us a little taste. >> a taste? >> steve: yeah. >> gretchen: of your cd. >> they're instrumentals. i got to have a microphone. do we have some competent people in the control room. listen. ♪ as sweet as any harmony ♪ david bowie did major tom, space audit. i -- oddity. i speculate what happened. walking on the moon,. >> steve: sure, you are a genius! >> all these guys came aboard and are part of this record. it's phenomenal! brad paisley, sheryl crowe, and then these great instrumentalists. >> steve: we got to talk more about this in the after the show

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>> steve: 15 years ago tomorrow, fox news channel was born. tomorrow on this program, we're going to look back. >> brian: right. you're going to be joining me on kilmeade and friends on radio in a very short moment between 9 and noon. >> but meanwhile, don't look back. somebody is gaining on you. >> gretchen: we'll have more with william shatner on our after the show show. so log on for that. >> brian: get his book and dvd and be the envy of your friends. >> gretchen: and cd. >> steve: also tomorrow, mitt romney. make it a great day. we'll see you back here tomorrow.