bill: a fox news alert. first time jobless claims are just out, climbing above that key 6,000 mark. the big monthly number comes out tomorrow. in the meantime she kept americans guessing for months. and now we know. sarah palin will not join the race for the republican nomination in 2012. and there is so much to talk about that. i'm bill hemmer, good to have you here with us. martha: i'm martha maccallum. it looks like that fire in her belly was not enough. she determined in the end to make a run for the presidency of the united states. she believes that she'll still

and force on this political scene. >> i believe i can be an effective voice for positive change in these positions. i apologize to those whom are disappointed in this decision. i have been hearing from them the last couple hours. but if they take a step back they will understand you don't need a title to make a difference in this country. bill: palin is out -- it shows her with a chance against president obama at the moment. palin is out. chris krissy is not in. chris christie is not in. >> reporter: she had a letter to her supporters. she said that was by design. she saw the big to-do chris christie went through just to

say no. she says she went back and forth on whether this was the right time to run. she said she decided she can still be a player even if she doesn't run for president. >> you don't need a title to make a difference in this country. i think i'm proof of that. we together united can surely help as a team get this country back on the right track by making sure barack obama is not reelected on senate seats go to constitutionalists and the house of representatives is strengthened. >> reporter: she says she looks forward to working with politicians running up to the election. bill: what do the other candidates say at the moment, peter? >> reporter: the ones we heard from expressed their admiration

for sarah palin and also their relief. gingrich tweeted, governor palin would have made a formidable candidate. michele bachmann will remain on female candidate. texas governor rick perry said, quote, sarah palin is a good friend, a great american and a true patriot. i know she'll continue to be a strong vice for conservative values and needed change in washington. bill: they thought the calendar was getting close. martha: christie, palin and

rubio say no vp. there is new fallout in the solyndra scandal. the company went belly up after getting half a billion dollars in taxpayer money. there are new emails that reveal the obama administration was getting ready to give them more money. donald trump said he used to get excited when he got a half million dollar loan for a project. there are lawmakers telling the white house to turn over any document that pertain to that company. earlier this week president obama testified that decision. he said he had no regrets in helping solyndra. they just announced a press conference the president will give. that takes place in the east room.

bill: republicans upping the ante. about a dozen republican lawmakers differenting a capitol hill petition with more than a million names. 1.6 million. republicans claim the overhaul will have a negative impact on jobs and the nation's deficit. they say the law will end up costing taxpayers $1 trillion a year. martha: this was quite a moment when we got this news last night at the death of steve jobs. some are calling him the thomas edison of our time. he was the cofounder and chairman of apple. he died at the age of 56. his death prompted responsible taken just vigils cropping up across the country as well as outside apple headquarters and apple stores.

he's a true visionary. he literally changed our lifestyle. changed the way we listen to music, how we use our phones, how we interact with technology to be sure. >> i am really touched. martha: a lot of thinking these last 24 hours about steve jobs and the impact he had. what's the scene like in california this morning, claudia? >> reporter: the flags are flying at half staff outside apple's headquarters in cupertino. a sad day in cupertino. i can tell you dozens of media outlets are here covering

reaction as employees come to work at a company that will be different coming forward. there were spontaneous here as well as steve jobs' home in palo alto. >> i can't imagine anyone else having the reaction -- because . >> he meant lot of things. he made a huge impact on people. you can't go anywhere without

apple products. it's a big loss. >> reporter: tim cook wrote that the tech icon leaves behind a company that only he could have built. not only a great innovator but a great salesman. steve jobs leaves behind a wife of 20 years and four children. apple says it does plan to hold a celebration of jobs' life and legacy soon. no word yet on details about his funeral. martha: we'll hear more in the coming hours we expect. so a lot of sadness. he was very young, 56 years old. and such a great mind. the company has been preparing for what they knew was likely to come. >> reporter: that's right, martha. steve jobs had been battling and -- battling pancreatic

cancer. he underwent a liver transplant. we all covers the news when he resigned. steve jobs was philosophical about his own mortality, telling a group of graduating students at stanford university in 2005 saying death is the greatest invention of all because it clears out the old and makes way for the new. many analysts say the vacuum of not having steve jobs there was deeply felt. other say his death could rough rivals the chance to -- to give rivals the chance to catch up to apple. martha: thank you very much. that will be the scene of a lot of people gathering today where claudia is and president obama reacting as well. bill: a lot of people react to

this. president obama released this statement. michelle and i are saddened to learn of the passion of steve jobs. news corporation chairman rupert murdoch issued a statement as well. martha: he said today we lost one of the most influential thinkers, create towards and entrepreneurs of all times. he was the greatest ceo of his generation. while i'm deeply saddened by his passing i'm reminded of the stunning impact he had in reef liewtionizing the -- in revolutionizing the way people cowan resume data. bill: wozniak was on a short time ago and compared him to einstein and edison. martha: and disney.

martha: i think kids across this country, they are better at technology than their parents thanks in great part to steve jobs. because stove jobs made those stores. when kids go by an apple store they jump out of their seats like they used to for a toy store. and they point out the window at an apple store. it's a glowing disney-like thing. bill: we are going to get a check of the stock market in 20 minutes. some of the many stories we are watching include chris christie and palin are out. is the republican field out? what does newt gingrich think. martha: attorney general eric holder, did he lie to congress about what he knew about a botched gun running sting? the white house says no, the republicans want more information.

bill: a mother and father describing the panic after their infant went missing. where is lisa irwin? >> we want our baby back. please, bring her home. our two other boys are waiting for her. please, just drop her off anywhere, we don't care. just somewhere safe where she can come home. please. plus veggie nutrition. could've had a v8.

bill: palin is out, christie is not getting in. what does that mean for my next guest former house speaker newt gingrich. you are in one of america's great cities, charleston. you tweeted this about sarah palin. have you talked to her yet? have you asked her for her

evengoersment? >> no. i'm trying to set up a call to talk about developing alaska where the american people own 69% of the lands. but we have not talked specifically about her endorsement. my thinking is she will wait a while and not endorse anybody right now. i think any candidate would like to have her endorsement. she is a citizen in her own right and a force in her own right. i think she'll have an impact by talking out on issues and specific things. i think any of the candidates would love to have her become an active part of their campaign because she has so many followers who listen and pay attention to her. bill: the end of september we had you at 11%, by shows you creeping up.

but yesterday you were asked if you would be interest in the vp slot. you did not rule that out. why? >> i just followed ronald reagan's advice. he says he's glad gerald ford didn't offer him the vice presidentsy because he thought it would be hard to turn it down. the question i asked was very specific. i would say to virtually anybody, you oh it to the nominee to at least consider seriously if they approach you. i think it's not about your personal ambition. what is your duty as a citizen to the country. i hope to be offering the vice presidentsy, not having it offered. bill: do you sense momentum in your campaign? >> i think two things.

one is outline can the 21st century contract with america which is available at newt.org, i think that indicated the level of substance to solve our problems to create jobs and balance the budget and move america back to being the most prosperous and productive country in the world. i think that helped a lot because of the substance gap that i think exists. the difference in positive attitude. frankly the same thing propelling my fellow georgian, herman cain. we have been solutions focused and not participating in the political infighting people love so much. bill: i know you have been following fast and furious. the botched gun running scandal. republicans are calling for the attorney general to come and

testify. is that necessary? >> yes, americans were killed. mexicans were killed. this was an operation of the united states government that went so terribly wrong that the southern general should be deeply involved in finding out what happened, who did it. this is one of the worst law enforcement operations in america history. we need to make sure the people who did it are no longer in the government. bill: the new director of the atf is telling everyone to calm down. >> who is he to instruct the people of the united states about being calm when their government participated in an operation as the result of which americans and mexicans were killed? i think it air gafns some political appointee instructing the rest of us tells you a lot about what's wrong with washington, d.c. they serve us, we don't serve them. bill: on government loans to

green energy companies. it seems like the steady drip is coming out from all of the loans given out. especially in the american west. if if you were president would you back such a plan motion the white house argued this is a trillion dollar industry and governments around the world are investing tonight and we can't afford not to. >> you may want to shape the marketplace by increasing subjects does and tax credits so the market is different. the idea of to bureaucrat deciding to play venture capitalist leads to political cronyism we saw with solyndra. we had a major donor to president obama going to the white house at least four times. it feels and looks like political corruption. i said that secretary chu ought to be fired. he has a terrible program that just cost the taxpayers over a half billion doors and he turns

around and accelerates $4 billion in loan guarantees. that's just plain dumb. we the american people need government official who protect our money, not throw it away. i think secretary chu has shown he's ineffective in dealing with those investments. bill: wall street protests entering their third week. the labor unions have joined them. what is your view. >> the unions joining them is cynical and don't accomplish anything. but to be angry about this country and this administratn is realistic given the mess the country is in. martha: let's turn our attention to this desperate search for a 10-month-old baby girl. her parents say she was last seen sleeving in her crib. the father of this little baby lisa irwin joins to us talk about this, tells us what's

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martha: a tearful believe and massive search going on in kansas city, missouri for a missing 10-month-old baby girl, last scene when her mother put her into her crib monday evening. lisa irwin vanished from her home that night. she was wearing purple shorts and a shirt with kittens on it. her parents are speaking to the media begging for the smallest piece of information that might help them find their girl. >> we urge anyone with any kind of information as to where she is or who she is with to please call the tips hotline or the police. anything -- even the smallest bit of information could help lead to her return.

anybody that might have her, can drop her off at any place safe. no questions asked. just dish just want to have her back home. martha: debra the mom is just begging for anybody who knows anything. like any mother she wants her baby back as quickly as possible. joining me now on the joan is baby lisa's dad jeremy irwin. you probably can't imagine what you are going through right now. can you update us on how your wife is doing? i know this has been rough on you. >> she is trying to hold it together, dmeepg contact with law enforcement and everybody that's come out has been great to us so far and giving us a lot of help. there is guys from every part of

the government helping to look. so just hoping that something -- something happens soon, and i just want to get her back home as quickly as we can. martha: i'm sure you will. talk to me about that night. there is an investigation going. the fbi is involved in this as i understand. you are engaged, right? >> that temperature correct. martha: you have three children, is that correct? >> yes. martha: three boys, then four little girl. that night she put lisa to bet, correct? then what happened after that? >> yes, debra put lisa to bed at 7:00 or so, her normal bedtime, and debra checked on her before she went to bed at 10:30 and everything was fine. i arrived home from work at about 4:00 a.m. and i noticed

the front door was unlocked which it never is. and most of the light in the house were on, which is also really weird. and found a window in the front of the house open. martha: so the door was unlocked, the window was open and the lights were still on. was debra sleeping at that point? >> she was sleeping in our bed with our 5-year-old son. martha: there is no sign of forced entrier to was there? >> they don't really know yet. the screen on the window that was open was broken. but the police are telling us that that's not a point of entry. i don't know why. but they are saying there i no signs. but the front door -- they are

saying the front door was probably left unlocked. martha: is there anybody who would wanto do you or your wife any harm. anybody you owe money to, anything along those lines? >> no. we can't think of anybody. we have been up almost this entire time. we are just talking to all these people, telling the story. and we really can't think of anybody that provided. >> the list of information to the police yesterday. so maybe something can come out of that. martha: we hope so much that your family i reunited and soon. we have a picture of your daughter up on the screen. there is the number. thank you for speaking with us. give our when to your wife and family. we are thinking of you. bill: how many more solyndras

are out there? there i more word about green energy companies on the brink of going bust. where does this all lead. martha: republican are demanding answers from the white house and attorney general eric holder. will the scandal known as fast and furious lead to the west wing? bill: will attorney general eric holder step down? ♪

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martha: the white house is standing firm against claim that attorney general eric holder misled congress during hearings on the fast and furious case. by house republican are pushing back hard. one congressman is saying this. we are talking about consequences of criminal activity where we allow guns to walk into the hands of criminals where livelihoods are at risk. you facilitate that or a murder where a felony occurred you are called an accessory. meanwhile here is the awkward exchange here with the white house press secretary when questioned about the calls for an investigation. take a look at this. >> there has been one call, i think it's a biannual call, won every sick months we hear something similar. the southern general's testimony

before the house and senate was consistent and truthful. he said he became aware of the questionable tactic deployed in the fast and furious in earl 2007 when atf agents raised them publicly. martha: brad blakeman is a former assistant to george w. bush. kirsten, a lot of talk about this and questions about how far it goes. who was a waiver it and if they weren't aware of it were they doing their jobs? >> the information they have given out if you look from the beginning to now has not been consistent. early on if you remember there were claims nobody in the white house knew. this was a rogue atf -- not even big atf, but a local atf office. nobody in washington really knew about it. since that time we have had

evidence come out there were at least a few people in the white house that knew about it. there has been information that's come out that has shown eric holder did know about it. not just from public information. so, you know, i think because they have been so not forthcoming for so long, that this is going to get war for them. martha: it seems there is tension in their relationships with a couple people who questioned them on this and one reporter who was cited on the laura ingraham show. this is interesting. >> they were literally screaming at you? >> yes. well, the d.o.j. woman was yelling at me. he literally screamed at me.

martha: what's that all about, brad? >> this is about a coverup. usually the coverup is worse than the crime. it's the opposite. the crime the government has been come police -- has been complicit in is worse than the coverup. we have seen there are inconsistencies. certainly if the white house were not complicit, if the justice department were not complicit, they would be livid, they would be turning their departments inside out to get to the bottom it and you don't see that here. martha: they can follow the guns from the united states into mexico and try to get some investigative information out of that process. there were people on the ground and intelligence operations yelling and scream, this is a dumb idea. the white house is claiming and the department of justice is

claiming they weren't aware there is a problem or that they -- the other option is they were aware and they let it go. the question is which is worse. who is advising eric holder on this issue. if he didn't know about it, then somebody is incompetent because they didn't say, this is the problem. >> if you remember, president obama actually apologized for this when he was in mexico. that was their original position. they were horrified, they didn't know about it, this was something that was done locally. and i think fit was true that it was just some rogue situation that was going on and they didn't know about it, that does happen in the government. but that isn't what happened. we do now know that there were people at a minimum in the white house that knew about this. why wasn't it then run up the flag pole immediately? it sounds like it was. martha: imagine what this is like for the family of border

agent brian terry who was shocked to know that their beloved son and family member was killed protecting the border of this country. but then learning the guns at the scene may have been pushed into mexico by u.s. operatives on that border. imagine what this is like for them. they want answers. they want to know how that could have happened. >> they deserve answers. you have agents fighting for the country working against their efforts and using guns to kill our agents? that is unbelievable. the american people should not stand until this president and the southern general tell us the truth as to how is it possible with all the whistleblowers out there telling them this was a wrong thing to do, that this administration continues to stonewall congress and not tell us the truth. martha: one word from both of you. does eric holder survive this situation?

kirsten? >> depend on how much more comes out. we have to have specific information showing exactly what he knew. >> i agree, hearings have to be held and those officials have to be in the hot seat from the president on down. martha: thank you very much. kirsten and brad, always good to get your insight. bill: the protests in new york city turning ugly. police arresting dozen after a small group rushed police barricades in lower manhattan. here is how it happened. >> wham the significance of going down that street? >> it's to deny the social pressure being put on us. bill: they crossed that bridge. the occupy wall street rally stretching into its third week as various union groups are joining protesters is on.

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bill: that's a tough town. new reports this morning of at least three more taxpayer-backed green energy companies are facing financial troubles. "usa today" reports ranger technology just filed for bankruptcy. >> idea morning, bill. bill: one fileland for chper 11, one never turned a prove it. one has not tawrnd prove it in four years. what's going on here? >> here is what's going on. when the government makes a decision that somehow they are going to be the finath , cier of private businesses and -- it

don't work. when you have valerie jarrett who has direct access to barack obama donors who funneled half a billion dollars to solyndra. it tells everything you need to know about the stimulus packages. not you president wants stimulus 2.0. he's going to have another press conference today. this president is putting together his campaign plan for class warfare and the american people don't want it. bill: the white house would argue, they say clean energy is a business that will total trillions of dollars. i talked about this with newt gingrich. countries overseas are doing it and in order for to us compete we have to do it, too. what's wrong with that logic. >> you can't outsmart the market. the government can't make the market do something the market doesn't want to do. so we have a president who

somehow believes even after the failures of the first stimulus, we have record unemploent, we have debts and deficits coming out of our eye balls, that some how he thinks doing the same thing twice is going to make the economy better. i think the american people have had it with this crony capitalism and the government picking win were and losers in the marketplace. but the government is not just picking winners and losers straight up. the government and obama, he's picking winners and losers among the donors to his campaign. bill: republicans are calling for the email communication gulf coast back to january 2009 to so slip dr. and -- to solyndra and maybe beyond that. was this just a bad business decision or is there more to it. >> of course it's a bad business decision. and you just pointed out more

bad business decisions we'll be hearing about from barack obama and his stimulus package. but making them in favor of donors of your campaign. if this isn't pay for play, i don't know what is. i think the american people haven't heard the end of this story. i'm happy to see fred upton and darrell issa will be having hearings on this issue. bill: pay for play, do you stand by that? >> it certainly looks like that. if you have donors with with direct access to the white house and you are the epa and the department of energy telling the white house don't do this deal. and the white house says give them the half billion doors anyway. we have an appearance there in a couple weeks. i think this thing stink to the high heavens and we haven't heard the end of it. bill: we'll see what the white house says about this in about

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martha: first it was bank of america. now citibank. starting in december. customers with less than $15,000 in their account will be slapped with an extra $20 fee because you don't have enough money. customers with less than $6,000 will get a $15 fee just to keep your money in the bank.

cheryl, we cover a lot of stories as do you. i have heard more people who are ticked off about these fees than i have heard talk about banks in a long time. >> people are furious. and people are ready to get even more angry. this is not going to stop. first it was bank of america. even chase we are finding out is toying with the idea of charge for the debit cards. they are thinking $3. this is what companies do. we see this in the airline sector all the time. one airline will try to raise fares $20. if the higher fares don't stick the airlines bring it back. if they lose customers over this they will have to reconsider whether they want to alienate customers. martha: one woman said to me, forget. i'm just going to put my money

in my mattress. i'm so tired of being mick manied and dimed to get my own money out of the bank. but in many what is it goes back to dodd-frank with the new regulations on the bank that squeezed them out of other money they were make. >> the banks are hiring teams of lawyers figuring out how they are going to deal with the regulations. all the regulations will affect the bottom line of the banks. we talked about this on fox three years ago when this all began. that these fees, all this was going to get passed on to you and i. now it's happening. you can't avoid. i'm a cheap individual, believe it or not. the minimum base one thing you can do. and also debit card issue, tips they will continue to give that for free.

at least online bill pay is still free for the most part. i found two banks that still have true no fee check. out of the top 10, capital one, i found two out of 10, and pnc. martha: cheryl, thank you very much. people are not happy about that. bill: about one hour from now we'll see the president in the east room of the white house. a press conference will get underway. there is so much to talk about during this press conference. the jobs number that came out about an hour and a half ago. if the green energy loans. the fast and furious programs we spoke about with speaker gingrich. the protests on wall street that have been joined by the big unions. those protests entering their third week. you can badge these questions will couple and you will see it live in one hour. we'll take you there then. until then stay right there.

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martha: this is likely to be a really interesting news conference we're going to get at 11:00 a.m. in the east room of the white house. the president will step in front of the mike phone. he is expected to questions about solyndra. questions about "fast & furious". also the jobs number that came out this morning. remember you have the september monthly jobs report coming out tomorrow morning. don't know if the white house has an inside track what the number will look like. we may get information about what the president's mood is with regard to jobs numbers. we'll be watching that. that gets underway about 60 minutes from no you. bill: the world is the reacting to the death of steve jobs of apple computer. in morning hours in cupertino, california. a lot of people wondering about the future for this country and how it survives and how vital it is without

its leader, its innovator. looking at shares of apple for the moment. it is off a point and a half. that is less than 1% frankly. the market is trending a little lower too. we will gauge reaction to steve jobs and his passing at the age of 56 and also what is the future for technology and apple? martha: a great american corporate success story. we'll talk more about that coming up. how about this? he is officially not going to run for president. sarah palin putting months and maybe years of talks about the oval office to rest at least for now for her. she talked to greta van susteren last night. she said all the candidates are calling her now. listen to this. >> try to get any information out of you. are any of the politicians who called are they running for president now? >> yes, yes. i look forward to hearing from them. i look forward to working with them. in order to maybe help them articulate their message even in more detail so we can make the best decision

who our nominee should be to unseat barack obama. martha: there you go. lots of intrigue in the mix here. brand new hour of "america's newsroom." glad to the have you with us this morning, everybody. thanks, i'm martha maccallum. bill: i'm bill hemmer. smokin' hot morning we have here. sarah palin wants to play decisive role getting true public servants elected not just in the white house but statehouses all across the country. martha: she didn't want to hold a press conference to make a quote, a big darn deal about the whole thing. jonah goldberg is with us from nationalreview.online. good to have you with us. >> good morning, martha. martha: what do you make of this decision? not a big surprise. >> not a huge surprise although a big gosh darn deal as sarah palin might say. i should do a little full disclosure. my wife collaborated with governor palin on her last book. i don't want to get some of the trolls mad at me for not

saying that. i don't think anyone was particularly surprised. i think that she now will probably become a more popular figure in the republican party. as people were choosing up their candidates and picking sides and planning on taking on obama there was some, there was sort of anti-palin but sort of anti-palin presidential cam pape feeling brewing on the right. now that is not, that she is not going to run --. martha: why do you think that was, jonah? she garnered so much attention and has a huge following. her numbers started to slip as you looked at the poll numbers. why do you think that was? >> i think there were a bunch reasons. people were signing up for different candidates. if you're for romney, perry, for santorum, gingrich and cain you don't want competition to come in to steal votes. that was part of it. the other part she was a lightning rod, one thing all conservatives agree on you have to love her for her enemies. she became so controversial and she ran and got the

nomination it would be a referendum on sarah palin and less a referendum on barack obama where a lot of republican voters want to keep the campaign. martha: i hear what you're saying. things are shaping up here. looks like the gop side is fairly set at least for now. you never know what might happen. thank you very much, jonah. >> great to be here. bill: which republican candidate gets palin's endorsement? former house speaker newt gingrich last hour on "america's newsroom" on that topic? >> i think any candidate would like to have her endorsement but i don't expect her to jump in the near future. she is a citizen in her own right. she is a force in her own right. i think she will have an impact talking out on issues and talking out on specific things. obviously any of the candidates would love to have her become an active part of her campaign because she has so many followers who really listen to her and pay attention to her. bill: gingrich has not spoken to palin yet about the endorsement but he thinks she will wait a while before deciding whom to

support. martha: meanwhile herman cain taking aim at those dome straightores, part of the occupy walstreet we've seen. the former ceo of godfather's pizza that protesters should cut the class warfare in his opinion and look in the mirror. >> don't blame wall street. don't blame the big banks. if you don't have a job and you're not rich, blame yourself. it is not a person's fault because they succeeded. it is a person's fault in they fail. and so this is why i don't understand these demonstrations and what is it that they're looking for? martha: a lot of people have questions what they're looking for, herman cain included. protesters believe wall street greed played a big role in the collapse of the economy and unemployment crisis but they're kind of all over the map as we watched that play out so far. bill: a little bit, huh? more on this desperate search for a missing 10-month-old girl. fbi search dogs scouring a kansas city home where 10-month-old lisa irwin was

last seen in her crib monday night by her mother. the child's parents making a desperate plea for help and information. we talked to jeremy irwin, the baby's father earlier on the program. >> deborah put her to bed, 7:00 or so, her normal bedtime. deborah checked on her at 10:30. everything was fine. i arrived home from work at about 4:00 a.m. and, noticed the immediately front door was unlocked, which never is. and most of the lights in the house were on, which was also really weird. and found a window in the front of the house open. bill: former homicide detective rod wheeler joins us now, a fox news contributor. good morning to you. >> good morning, bill. bill: you raised a number about of good points to the producers. i want to go through these. you say the most important question, why this baby. go ahead. >> exactly, bill, from what

i read in published reports yesterday there is numt per small children infants around the same age little lisa that lives on the same block. so the question have investigators for parents, why your child? that is the first question you always want to ask in these types of investigations. now this person, whoever this person is that came in and took this baby, obviously knew where this baby was in the home. i don't know if you heard but new information i just learned this morning is whoever came into this home had to walk through the home in order to get to that particular room where this baby was. and then according to the father on your show just an hour ago, they said they turned on all the lights. that is highly unusual, bill. bill: what does that tell you, rod? can you draw conclusions from that or is that theory. >> i think you can draw theories. you never want to draw conclusions in a case like this, it is too early, bill. what it does tell me, it is very important, parents have more information they're not sharing with law enforcement. the cops need to continue

drill these parents. there is more going on in this home, bill, than we heard birks what about the break-in story. you insisted that has to be explained. has it not fully yet. >> it has not been explained. that story seems to be changing now they're saying the front door of the home was left unlocked. somebody supposedly came through a window and the front door was unlocked. we learned this morning, cell phones are missing. cell phones that belong to the parents. even the burglar stole the baby or cell phones or both. what information, what evidence is on those cell phones? i think that is going to be key and critical, bill in this investigation. bill: why remove the amber alert, rod? what would lead investigators to cancel that? >> excellent, excellent question. that's a good question for the law enforcement folks out there. but i think they removed the amber alert i think the investigators out there, honestly believe something else is going on with this family. not only, bill, did they remove the amber alert. i don't know if you heard yesterday, but they also scaled back on the search.

they took away a lot of those officers they were using initially to search. why did they do that? because i believe that they have more information or they believe something else happened that they haven't heard about. bill: rod wheeler, thank you for your time, okay? >> thank you, bill. bill: we're hoping to find this young baby. thank you, rod. >> yep. martha: janet napolitano grilled by congress over the obama administration immigration policy. how she managed to make folks on both sides of this issue not too happy with that. bill: he might be the most prolific inventor, entrepreneur of our day, right? almost impossible to walk down the street without seeing an ipod, ipad or iphone in someone's hand including your own. remembering steve jobs, dead at 56. >> definitely sad but he knew and he stepped down at the right time and got the right people around him before he had to st down. >> i think from a technology standpoint, a business standpoint and a personal standpoint we have

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>> greatest, most memorable technology leader probably ever at least in our time. one of those in the category of thomas edison or walt disney, that just, meant so much, bringing life to the world, actually. martha: that was steve wozniak. one of steve jobs's closest friends. together they founded apple in garage at steve jobs's family place. he brought us in the words of buzz lightyear, to infinity and beyond. he was truly a great example of the american dream. he was an adopted child and like our mayflower founders and those who pushed us west in this country, he was truly on a new frontier and he had simply no fear. he was brash and innovative and he encouraged us to be that way too. >> remembering that you are

going to die is the best way i know to avoid the trap of thinking you have something to lose. you are already naked. there is no reason not to follow your heart. martha: imagine hearing that as you're sitting in the graduation seat at stanford. for all of the people who have been ipad on their nightstand, a mac on the kitchen counter or ipod in your gym bag, he is why he is why you have to ask your kids if they have a computer question because he makes their eyes light up every time they see a apple store. let's talk about the impact this man on our world. we have the editor-in-chief of. >> thank you, martha. martha: sad to see someone's passing to realize the tremendous impact. truly on our whole lifestyle, the way we live that steve jobs had. >> it is really remarkable. there is no other tech industry leader who has the iconic presence that steve jobs had, the impact

of on our lives, 10 years of almost unmatchable product and innovation, the iphone, the ipod touch, the ipad. these are, they felt and looked like vision narrowly products -- visionary products because they are. his fingerprints are all over it. he had a real idea how to deliver products to market. make them think about them, market them and talk about them. i was in the audience listening to him many times and truly a magnetic personality. >> when you think about, we have a picture that will be on the cover of "time" magazine that i want to pull up. when i saw the picture i struck by it, he broke the whole notion of what anybody thought as ceo. here he is sitting like in a yoga class with the mac on his lap and black turtleneck. he broke all the conventions through the personality. we didn't know who ceo's were before steve jobs, right? >> think about what he did, right? ibm was around for a long time. their logo and words, think. he said think different.

martha: so brilliant. >> from '70s on. the apple and macintosh which made computing personal. that was a computer a lot of people connected with. his story is fascinating to me because he is like the phoenix. he stumbled in the '80s, stumbled badly. came back. learned stuff. launched other companies including helping to launch pixar. he came back in '97 and exploded at apple. had new ideas, new vision and new drive. was really unstopable for this, for more than a decade. i have never seen anything like it in the technology space. believe me i started thinking about this over the summer when he stepped down, and i dreaded this. i dreaded what i saw, i kind of knew what's come. when it happend on necessarily hit me emotionally. not a lot in this industry hits you quite that way. martha: i was struck on impact of my children. they grew up with pixar. i always thought the line buzz lightyear says in "toy story", which is a great pixar movie and

steve jobs behind the intelligence, to infinity and beyond. it is ridiculous statement and you think about it in steve jobs's terms and so emblematic the way he thought. that there were no barriers. >> there are no barriers. he is interested how people would learn and how they interact with technology. really wanted the ipad in schools around the country, around the u.s., which has happened. you have children sort of touching, steve jobs's legacy. i keep thinking that the next steve jobs will be inspired by the work he did and the product they have in their hands. martha: indeed. kids get more excited on christmas morning about an ipod. i can't remember a christmas list in the past 10 years at my house didn't have at least something that he created on it. they're more excited when they drive by that than a toy store. because his toys are the most interesting things that kids wanted to have in their hands. it changed everything about the way they interact with the world, certainly music. >> oh, well we, look we might still be using cds if

it weren't for the ipod and itunes. other companies tried to do it but steve jobs saw you had to make an ecosystem and go full circle. when he did that it transformed the industry in every way imaginable. that is what he did time and time again. sometimes took an idea kicking around like tablets, said, no, no, this is the right way to do it. very savvy businessman. so, so smart about product delivery and made sure nothing went out the door until he felt it was ready. made few missteps during the last apple tenure. few notable ones. a lot of success built upon success. martha: thank you so much. important for all of us to remember this man and what a true american he really was in terms of his innovation and his ability to do what nobody, what people only dreamed of. thanks, lance. >> thanks for having me. bill: about 18 minutes past the hour. fox news alert, in case you haven't heard just yet the president will be in the east room of the white house

40 minutes from now taking questions from reporters and certainly a lot of the stories we've been talking about already today, could very welcome up. questions about the attorney general, eric holder. about what he knew and when he knew and whether or not as republicans claim he lied to congress about his knowledge based on the timeline of the "fast & furious" botched gun-running sting. some more on that coming up. don't move. we'll have it for you at the top of the hour. meantime more on the painful recordings the jackson family heard in court. what these might tell us about the death of michael jackson. >> i love them because i didn't have a childhood. i had no childhood. i feel their pain. i feel their hurt. i can deal with it. ♪

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martha: here's what is developing right now in "america's newsroom." with deep government spending cuts in the u.s. and europe, secretary of defense leon panetta warning nato allies don't rely on american money to cover short falls in your military budget as they tighten the belt in that budget as well. a federal appeals court set to hear a major tobacco lawsuit. one of the largest u.s. tobacco companies challenging a multibillion-dollar settlement made with dozens of states back in 1998. >> how about this? the restaurant chain friendly's, not so friendly, filing for bankruptcy. the company plans to close 63 locations and eventually sell the business. bill: love that ice cream there. good stuff. more recordings playing out in the involuntary manslaughter trial of dr. conrad murray.

jurors listening to a apparently doped up king of pop. here is jackson from beyond the grave talking about what he wanted as his legacy. >> my performances will be up there helping my children and always be my dream. i love them. i love them because i didn't have a childhood. i had no childhood. i feel their pain. i feel their hurt. i can deal with it. heal the world, "we are the world". will you will you there, the loss children. these are the songs that i've written because i hurt, you know. i hurt. bill: judge jeanine pirro, the host of judge jeanine on

fox. >> this case so far, bill, has been about the prosecution of dr. conrad murray. yesterday the case was about michael jackson. we heard his innermost thoughts. the fact that he wanted to do a michael jackson children's hospital with a theater and, with a place for children to play. and it speaks to the sensitivity that he had toward children. the whole energy in the courtroom changed as a result of this. we heard how much pain he was in. and we knew that he was an addict. in terms of evidence, forensic, physical evidence, the coroner found 12 bottles of propofol in the room, one on the floor and several stashed in a baby bag so that obviously there was an attempt to not have it found. and what we heard were the girlfriend. it was clear that dr. murray, instead of managing or attending to his patient was trying to manage his girlfriends, all of whom he

met at las vegas clubs and he was on the phone with one of them instead of monitoring the respiratory --. bill: i don't know what his girlfriends had to do with it. but the last point could be well-taken by jurors. how high is the burden of proof? >> the girlfriend have everything to do with it, bill, because he wasn't attending to the patient. bill: at the time. okay, clear. >> yeah. bill: how high is the burden of proof when it comes to involuntary manslaughter in the state of california? >> in california the prosecution must prove that dr. murray did not rise to the standard of people expected in that situation. specifically, a doctor. in new york state it would be criminally negligent homicide. it's his not rising to the level that he should have have given his profession, given the amount of money that he made, given the fact that he knew michael jackson was drug-addicted. given the fact manager called five days before we need a blood test. you know he had an episode.

this guy is in bad shape. what does the good doctor do? he does nothing but continue to inject him with propofol. bill: jeanine, one quick point here. what the defense is going to argue that michael jackson injected himself with these drugs. >> and what they will have to do --. bill: will the prosecution be able to show his fingerprints on the medicine bottle? >> the defense will have to want to show the fingerprints of michael jackson. we haven't heard anything about that. there is no evidence that indicates that. make no mistake, bill, there is a very high hurdle or standard that the defense has to meet given the forensic evidence, given the physical evidence, given the fact that he had a drug-addicted patient. he knew it. by the way he was tape recording his patient. against the law. bill: judge, thank you. >> good to see you. bill: you too. we'll talk later in the hallway. see you on saturday night at 9:00 with justice with judge jeanine pirro. martha: the white house is changing the way it goes

after going after illegal immigrants, going after hard-core criminals instead of law-abiding illegals. critics call that a back door to amnesty. wheel talk about that. bill: a terrifying crash with a school bus. dozens of kids involved. >> i got out the back door and helping kids off. >> they ran off the bus screaming. they were so sad. there was crying. [ female announcer ] once you taste new fiber one 80 calories... ...with its sweet honey taste, 40% daily value of fiber... ...and 80 calories per serving...

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i cloud martha: we are 29 minutes away from the president holding a news conference.

he has not done this since august, and it was just announced this morning, the dave, which is not all that he will speak in the east room. a lot of stuff on the plate. he will get questions about solyndra, questions about fast and furious, questions about the jobs number that came out this morning, and the big monthly number coming out tomorrow as well. there is a lot the president will be asked about. stick around this is happening 29 minutes from now. bill: this morning a shift in strategy on immigration. the department of homeland security putting illegals that pose a threat to public safety, those who commit crimes at the top of the deportation list and spending less time tracking down other law abiding immigrants. >> it makes sense to track down a person wanted in his homeland

for murder ahead of the sole provider for his children and spouse. bill: republicans would argue that is only half the problem. what is your view on this shift in strategy? >> there is nothing wrong with prioritizing the worst of the worst. what the administration is saying here is there are whole categories of illegal aliens, many committing document fraud, many guilty of drunk driving and all of them here, we are simply not going to be enforcing the law on them. that is a kind of lawlessness, it's the president essentially saying that laws passed and signed, the legal laws of our land are going to be ignored for whole categories of people. again, putting most of your resources or prioritizing for the worst of the worbz makes sense. you can't say we won't be enforcing the law in whole areas, and that's essentially what they are saying. bill: why is she moving in this

direction? >> reporter: she is getting smarter and smarter of how to prioritize our resources. we do deport those who want to do us harm and are a threat to public safety. it's exceeded the record of bush in two terms, this president has done in one exporting illegal immigrants. they are working hand in glove with ice agents enforcing eupl tkpwraeugts law. this is a stuff administration on immigration policy but it's not enough. we've got a broken system and she is looking to prioritize. bill: this is just a back door amnesty policy, angela, some say. >> i think it's a front door smart policy. we have over 300,000 cases sitting in the immigration courts, clogging up the clothes. we don't know who the folks are. she says i want to go throughout cases, prioritize and be sure i'm going after the bad guys and the cases that are lower priority i'm not going to waste

presentation resources on it. i think it's law enforcement 101. bill: she said the bush policies made no sense. wow. >> if you say they are going to prioritize which the bush administration did do that is one thing. when you say there are whole categories of people that even when we arrest them, even when they come to the attention of immigration authorities we are not going to do anything about them, you send the message that we are not serious about our laws overall. our laws don't matter. you make people who play by the rules and come legally, you make them look like fools and dupes. you destroy the more ralph the people whose job it is to enforce our immigration laws. there are cascading series of consequences and the most important of which you're going to encourage more illegal immigration. if somebody knows if they sneak into our count throw and over stay a advice a they can get a job, use somebody else's identity. they know they will get a job.

bill: they say there is nothing smart about it. 14million americans are unemployed, 7 million illegal immigrants work in the u.s. how would you tackle that. >> you can't possibly deploy all resources to go after 11 million people at the same time. these what we tried to do under the bush administration. what obama has showed is by focusing on those who mean to do us harm, those with criminal records, who are drunk drivers. that's how you make sure our country is safer and public security is achieved. you have to make tough choices. this administration is being honest about doing that and going after the worst of the worst. look, any law enforcement agency does this all the time. they have to make choice. do i go after jaywalker error after a murderer? it's equivalent in immigration policy and i think it's smart for this administration to do this. >> if you say we are only going to go after the murderers, robbers and rapists you create a general contempt for the law,

that is part of the policing and zero tolerance that worked so well. basically if you say we are just going to go after the worst of the worst you create a contempt for the rule of law and you get more law breaking. in this case we'll get a heck of a lot more illegal immigration. >> i'd rather have a coherent policy than an incoherent one. bill: thanks to both of you. decent debate. martha: good time to buy or refinance folks. take a look at the rate on the 30-year mortgage rate. this is a 30-year low for this. it's 3.94%. good time to buy or refinance if you can get the loan, right, bill. bill: yeah, you've got to get that, that little thing, right? we are minutes away from a press conference live at the whrous. you will see it live here. president obama on the economy, his jobs bill, what also will he say to try to turn things around. we'll take there live top of the hour. martha: he'll get questions about this.

once again we are asking who knew what and when did they know it in this controversial gun running sting. brand-new information on memos that has just been released. we will bring that to you right after this break that is coming up. >> when did you first know about the program, officially i believe called fast and furious, to the best of your knowledge, what date. >> i'm not sure of the exact date but i probably heard about fast and furious for the first time over the last few weeks. drinking a smoothie with no vegetable nutrition? ♪ [ gong ] strawberry banana! [ male announcer ] for a smoothie with real fruit plus veggie nutrition new v8 v-fusion smoothie. could've had a v8.

bill: suburban cleveland, a car and school bus colliding, this is not what you need in school, killing the driver of the car and injuring more than a dozen others. 14 students taken to the hospital with what are said to be nonlife-threatening injuries. >> we just dropped my best friend off, and we were driving down and this car came and hit us and our bus driver served into the corn field. >> i was scared out of my mind. she's got a back injury, her

chest, her tailbone and her head hurts and she said she was nea neaous. martha: the white house denies claims that u.s. attorney general eric holder misled congress during his testimony back in may regarding what and when he knew about the gun running string operation which became known as fast and furious. the house ove oversight committee very much darrell issa says he wants a clear-cut explanation. here he is on our show yesterday, watch this. >> these inconsistencies in, if you will the duty of candor by the attorney general have to be resolved and they have to be resolved before the judiciary committee and they have to be resolved quickly. you cannot come before that committee and answer without candor questions. he may or may not have pupblg urd himself but hpurjered

himself. martha: it's a paper trail that seems to be gathering here. and i have in my hand copies of the memos that were sent in july of 2011. they were sent from michael walther, the director of the national drug intelligence center, and they are memorandum to the attorney general is the way that they are stated at the top. what is the importance of these then we'll give everybody a look at a piece of them. >> the july 5th memo that you're talking about sits forth what fast and furious is, here are our concerns and what we're trying to do. the problem is the attorney general when he was before congressman issa's committee said he was not aware of that before his actual hearing date. that memo contradicts them. that's not the only memo.

there is a series of them. the question here is damage control. you have the situation that i put on the washington meter, it's between a five and a six right now, it could go down to a two or eight. they have to handle it correctly. here you've got the attorney general of the united states making at least a misstatement to congress and that is very, very serious. martha: you know, when you take a look at this and you see these memos i want to put up a full screen quote that is from the memos. again these are a memo to the attorney general eric holder and this is part of what it says in here. it says straw purchasers are responsible for the purchase of 1500 firearms that were then supplied to mexican drug trafficking cartels. and as it says, it details the 1500. i think what they are going to say here and what they've basically already said, jay is that he misspoke, what he meant was there wasn't aware there was

any problem with this program. >> well -- martha: he's going to say he's aware of it. the way this reads in this memo it doesn't talk about a controversy, doesn't talk about problems, it just says this is what's happening. >> exactly right. it was a memorandum that sets forth what was going on and how it's going to play. it's the white house that will say the question wasn't clear or the attorney general's answer wasn't to the particular question, he was confused. here is the problem. they've got to get ahead of this. number one that program was absurd. supplying drug cartels. they didn't have the correct tracking devices on it. by the way there's memorandums on that as well that are coming out. you have this whole traeufl emails that have to be analyzed then the attorney general needs to go to congress and say either i made a mistake or here is what i meant to say. as long as they let this simmer like this it's going to create problems. i appreciate what congressman issa is trying to do here. i want people to look at how they treated attorney general alberto gonzales over a quote, politicization of the department

of justice. now you have the u.s. attorney who misspoke or lied, we don't know that yet. martha: i hear you. there is another option here. some say that it's in many ways just as bad and that is that he didn't read that part of the memo or nobody briefed him on that part of the memo. a lot of stuff comes across his desk and he simply didn't see it, never saw that paragraph. >> a lot of stuff goes through the attorney general's office. when you have an email directly to the attorney general from the deputy that's probably read. i've worked in government before, that's part of the process. when you have a situation as significant as fast and furious it's hard to believe that the attorney general of the united states did not understand both the scope of the program, the project and also the potential problems that were being caused by it. it's hard to believe that, but they've got to clarify it. again no double standard here. martha: doesn't the attorney general need to say look, this person on my staff absolute

absolutely should have made sure of that. i'm sorry i missed it. we obviously have to rework the way we do things in the justice department. >> we should be horrified if the attorney general did not know about a project where 1500 weapons at least were given to drug cartels in mexico which ended up back in the united states and the attorney general did not know. martha: one of them was found at the death scene. >> unfortunately, tragic, very, very tragic. martha: a very painful situation for the terry family. we'll hear from the president, no doubt he will be asked about this moments from now. that's about 14 minutes away. jay, thank you. a lot of questions about have been arising ril really over the last couple of years about eric holder. some people asked the question whether or not he should resign based on a number of things. interrogation of kreurbgs a members, based on what happened during the bush administration, the whole gitmo situation, where the trial should take place. this is the most recent thing in

front of him. we asked you at home do you think he should step down in light of these issues. we talked to our panel lists about this earlier. they said no we need more information before this happened. here is what you guys said, those numbers up there i. i think it was 35% say yes, 65% say no. they are waiting for more information the folks at home as well. bill: you can go online. in the meantime we'll check in with jenna lee see what is happening on "happening now." how you doing, jenna. jenna: what will be "happening now" is what martha was talking about. a news conference by the president starting at 11:00 today -p. lots of questions on many different subjects. we'll have reaction from bret baier and karl rove will be with us. click on the america's asking tab to send us questions for rick san toeurpl. anyone who loves storm chasers. around 120:30 or so we have brand-new video that you need to see. that is coming up on our show today.

bill: we'll seen you then, okay? it is the story of the hour, we are just minutes away from a news conference, that's the first look we get inside the east raofpl the white house. everybody is lined up ready to go. president obama expected out in moments. wendell goler previews that, what's the solution for the economy, so many issues to talk about. we'll be back on that right after this. daddy, come in the water! somebody didn't book with travelocity, with 24/7 customer support to help move them to theool daddy promised! look at me, i'm swimming! somebody, get her a pony! [ female announcer ] the travelocity guarantee. from the price to the room to the trip you'll never roam alone.

with an early assessment about the tragic helicopter crash that happened the other day in manhattan. there is no sign of an obvious mechanical failure or fire on that ho that chopper. those are the pictures of the men hanging on. one passenger celebrating her 40th birthday with her family. three others survived.

investigators with the national transportation safety board say they are looking at the gps system and several other factors, including weather conditions. weather seemed pretty okay that afternoon. the weight that the chopper was carrying is also consideration. more to come on that. bill: the story of the hour now, fox news alert president obama about to he address the job crisis in our country, his comments coming hours after the latest report showing more than 400,000 americans filed for first time unemployed benefits last week. wendell goler previewed the north lawn at the white house. how is he going to frame the jobs bill today, which is his big push. >> republicans are tired of hearing about it. the president has been making political and policy speeches on it for weeks. the $450 billion measure includes money to keep police, teachers and firefighters on the job and to rehire tense of thousands more who have been laid out. there is money for infrastructure projects, other

tax cuts, and the white house has signed off on a 5% tax surcharge on millionaires to pay for it. press secretary jay carney says nothing republicans have proposed would create jobs right now, and he says that's what the country needs. >> this president believes that we are in a precarious situation in our economy as we continue to struggle to recover from the worst recession since the great depression. we have an unemployment crisis that continues to need to be addressed and it is simply not an option to do something. >> reporter: republicans say this is another version of the president's 2009 stimulus bill which failed to create as many jobs they say as he promised. the american jobs act they say is more a campaign tool than a jobs bill. they declared it dead on arrival in the house and perhaps in the senate as well. bill: i know you've been asking the white house how a jobs bill was rewritten by democrats in

the senate since it was sent up to capitol hill. what else is likely to come up when the president comes out in moments? >> reporter: he'll certainly be asked whether the half billion dollar government-backed bet on so linda, the solar energy company was a good one, given the bankruptcy of the company. and how some of the money was spent, the factory in california said to be well appointed. he'll be asked about fast and furious the gun sting that went bad, lost track of hundreds of guns, one used to kill an arizona border patrol agent and about attorney general eric holder's assertion that he really hadn't heard of the project until earlier this year. also yes, sir about any u.s. troops will remain in iraq beyond the end of the year, doubtful now that that country has ruled out immune te immunity for them. bill. bill: we'll take a quick break. we'll have more when we

comeback. thanks. f!

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martha: we are inside the two-minute warning in the east room of the white house. this was a quickly called news conference this morning. just a couple of hours ago they decided that the president would step in front of the press. hasn't done that since m august i believe. no doubt he will get questions about solyndra and fast and furious. the focus will be on the jobs bill and trying to get republicans to sign onto that. we may hear about a millionaire's surtax as well in all of this. so there is a lot on his plate this morning, bill. bill: it certainly is. a busy morning here. we'll see what comes of this. there will be headlines once the president comes out. we will have it all for you here on the fox news channel. do not move. jon and jen a are standing by, right? we'll leave it all in their capable hands. martha: we'll see you right back here tomorrow. bill: see you on friday. jon: a good thursday morning to you. we are just moments away from the president's face off with reporters. i'm jon scott. jenna: hi, everybody, i'm jenna lee. this is a big day. we know that a presidency really can change in a moment. we have no idea what questions

the president will be asked today. that is the nature of a news conference. we do know that he'll be making some opening statements though about the job market, jon. jon: i can expect you'll hear him push congress to pass this bill now, meaning the jobs bill that he has been taughtin touti. jenna: we got a jobless claims report, it shows 400,000 americans filed for first time unemployment. here is the president. >> i will take your questions in a second, but first i just want to say a few words about the economy. next week the senate will vote on the american jobs act, and i think by now i've made my views pretty well-known. some of you are even keeping a tally of how many times i've talked about the american jobs act. and the reason i keep going around the country talking about this