bill: nicely done. happy birthday. i want to start with a fox news alert and jobs. the unemployment rate is stubborn holding at 9.1%. that's where we started. we don't have ails or murdoch or romney, but we have maccallum. martha: it's a modest boost. the growth remains too weak to lower that. bill: over the past several months the employers have add on average 70,000 jobs. the numbers debate should intensify. first it's stuart varney and the fox business north network

report they are not good numbers. we have created a few hundred jobs over the summer and september. but the jobs picture is still very, very bleak. 14 million people don't have a job. the rate holding stubbornly as you said above 9%, let me give some perspective on that. if you want to bring it down to 8% by the election, you have got to create 1.1 million new jobs. that would be 270,000 each and every month until you get to november. that's not likely to happen. bill: that's just to get to 8%. >> reporter: just to get it to 8%. it ain't going to happen. bill: when finds of those 100,000 jobs add, 45,000 were

workers from verizon. >> reporter: they claimed unemployment benefits, now they are back at work, so that adds to the number supposedly created. so you don't really have 103,000 new jobs created. you have less than that. bill: the president mentioned europe and the jobs bill he keeps trying to get through congress. i don't know what the jobs bill would do. it's just another form of stimulus that will work. democrats say you have got to do this to put america working again. he also mentioned the problems in europe affecting our economy at home. >> this jobs bill can help guard against another downturn if the situation gets any worse. it will boost economic growth and it will put people back to

work. bill: how much is europe affecting us? and will the jobs bill as constructed now -- will it help? >> the president is not saying very much. is he? it would help if europe gets worse. when you are spending a half trillion dollars you want to do more than help things from getting worse. is europe affecting us? yes, it is. but not that much. europe is in recession. there is some spillover here. second question, would the jobs bill as currently construed actually create that's new jobs. answer, in my opinion, not that's. a big part of this jobs bill is paid for with tax increases. do you want to raise taxes in a time of economic weakness? is that going to create jobs? my answer is no it will not.

bill: stuart, thank you. stuart varney in new york. martha: a vote on this jobs bill which the president desperately wants to see happen. there is basically chaos in the senate. democrats breaking decades of tradition approving the so-called nuclear option miewght the voice of the minority, the republicans in the senate. the republican leader mitch mcconnell says this whole thing is a fundamental mistake. look. we'll get that for you in just a second. peter doocy has all the details on this live from washington. why did senator reid do this? >> the majority leader reid those had a deal on the minority leader after they had agreed to

cut off debate. senator reid was apparently wrong about that and when mcconnell tried to include a symbolic vote about president obama's original jobs bill reid got mad, he said he felt was irrelevant to the chinese currency debate. and as of right now the minority party can no longer offer motions like that and the minority leader is steamed. >> this isn't the way it always happened. and we did get things accomplished. not by try something strangle everybody and shut everybody up. but by allowing the process to work. and when the senate gets tired of the process, 60 people shut it down and you move to conclusion. that's how you move something ahead. not by preventing the voices. >> even though this is a lot like the nuclear option, it's

not exactly like the nuclear option you have heard about before. that one deals with amendments. and the other with filibusters. martha: what did harry reid say? >> he said he's not 100% sure he did the right thing but he's comfortable in what happened. >> i believe in cloture. as i indicated i wasn't in favor of changing the rules related to cloture. but i think this is a step forward. it will make this process work a lot better. >> he says he thinks it will make the process work a lot better. his buzz word was jermaine. not you rules are changed. mcconnell stead quote the minority is out of business.

martha: peter, thank you very much. bill: just getting underway this hour in washington is the values voters summit. they are hearing from some of the top republican leaders. that's speaker boehner. he just stepped to the microphone. >> i trust the american people to liberate our economy from the shackles of this government. bill: a day after the speaker went out and pretty much blasted the white house saying the path has ended governing and started campaigning for 2012. eric cantor will be there as well. the results will be interesting. we'll have more on that program. martha: it's sad that the president abdicated leadership. we are just getting a look at something new which is a first major step in terms of movement on the president's healthcare

law. an advisor to the white house releasing guidelines for a federally approved health insurance plan. the states can open new insurance markets. any insurance sold in these markets will have to meet the federal standards that cover mental health services, something small businesses say will make those plans basically unaffordable. bill: happy birthday, by the way. martha: you are 15 now. me, too. bill: we are going to get our driver's license soon. those are some of the stories wore watching today. coming up, some of america's largest labor unions throwing support to the occupy wall street protests. martha: some breaking news out of illinois. tire and flames and explosions

rocking one small town. we'll tell you what sparked that emergency. bill: the parents of this missing baby reportedly not cooperating with police. the family says that's simply not true. there are developments about a lie detector test give to the mother of young lisa irwin. >> keeping in contact with law enforcement. there are guys from the government out here helping to look. so just hoping that something happens soon and we just want to get her back home as quickly as we can. [ male announcer ] cranberry juice? wake up! ♪ that's good morning, veggie style. hmmm [ male announcer ] for half the calories -- plus veggie nutrition. could've had a v8.

martha: folk in a small community in illinois forced to evacuate their homes. the reason is a train carrying ethanol derailed and six cars are burning as a result of that. one witness says she heard

several explosions. it sounds like a jet coming down over her town. there is no word on any injuries in this. the evacuees have been taken to a local high school. the village is 100 miles west of chicago. bill: the protesters in the occupy wall street rally has spread coast to coast. ohio governor downkasich, welcome d governor john kasich. welcome. >> happy birthday. i was there when we didn't have a lot of viewers at fox. then i watched it grow every single year where it's so dominant today. i think you have done a lot better since i left, actually. but i enjoyed being at fox. it was a lot of fun. bill: humility is your strong point. what do you make of these

protests? >> i went to school in the 70s, so protests are kind of in the blood people who were in school in the 70s. some of what they say is legitimate. i was looking the other day at ceo pay won they get fired. and it's more money than most people make in a lifetime for being fired. at the same time i'm concerned about the blame game. i'm concerned about class warfare. class warfare fitzone -- class warfare pits one person against another. and if we are going to solve our problems we can't do it divide. a house divided doesn't work. they need to vent and people need to hear what they have to say, but at end we have to be americans to fix problems. bill very joe biden says these people have a lot in common with

the tea party. and he is a senator who voted for the tarp bailout in 2008. >> there were practices on wall street that were just terrible. back to ceos getting paid a fortune when they go out the door. that sends a message to people who are almost unemployment or under employed. america is a place where america tries to judge fairness. we don't need fairness to get you have got something and i'm angry about it. the last thing we need is more polarization. you can express your differences but at the end of the day we have to come together as a country. when you look at our challenges, they are staggering. who is at risk? my 11-year-old twin daughter. when i left congress we were $5

trillion in surplus. we can fix this. but it took both parties to come together to get it done. bill: in ohio you had a sweeping reform of union agreement across the 8 that you signed into law. there is a big challenge that will be vote on in referendum in november. senate bill 5? you know the president has been to your state many times. he was there a few week ago. we know how important ohio is in the electoral vote. the left is trying to gain traction to defeat senate bill 5. can you win in november or will that be reversed? >> we don't know yet. it's a tough race. but let me tell you change is always hard. disrupters, people who bring about change to anything, including the guy we just lost,

steve jobs. it's always tough. but at the end of the day you are driving for positive change and we are out here. bill, we are asking our public employee unions to make sure they pay 10% for their guaranteed evening and 15% for their healthcare. we are returning a strong campaign. hopefully we'll win. but here in ohio the focus is on that. i also want to focus on the fact that we balanced our budget and reformed the place. we have been involved directly in 154 jobs projects statewide. we have 10,000 committed new jobs, 20,000 tree takenned jobs and 1.5 billion in new capital investment and 1.7 billion in payroll. what we are doing here -- we are not out of the woods. when i inherited this place it was a total mess. we are beginning to see some light. it isn't easy. but lower taxes, less

regulation, a better business environment. this all contributes to economic success. bill: we just got the national numbers. 9.1% unemployment. 100,000 jobs add in the last month. how much of that reflects on ohio. >> people are sitting on the sidelines. companies have a lot of money, but they don't want to invest it because they don't know what's going to happen. regulations are a blizzard out there. if overregulations occur that kills jobs so people don't know what to do. that's why we are not getting out of this mess. i tried to talk to the administration about some ideas, one of which is to allow companies to bring their profits back from to america from europe so they can invest in job training and research and development. this unemployment means there is

a lot of people not working and a lot of people in poverty. the fact that it didn't go up is good news, but the problem is it's too high. we faced those head winds that's generated out of warn and it makes our job harder. bill: john kasich in columbus. martha: let's talk about the new monthly unemployment numbers. if you are out of work you are among many. if you are not, you probably know somebody who is. forget clicking on some of these popular job hunting web sites. what they are telling you is not good. bill: we are expecting to hear a statement from lisa irwin's parents. but the police say they are no longer cooperating. is that the case? wait until you hear what just happened in this case. >> we want the public to know we

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martha: there are some bombshell developments in this search for a missing 10-month-old baby girl in kansas city, missouri. the parents of lisa irwin are denying claims that they have stopped cooperating with the police. the mother saying police told her that she failed a lie detector test. but she said she never saw the results of that test. the parents are holding a news conference later today. here is what police had to say

about where this investigation stands now. >> it's important for me to stress that we are continuing and will continue to track down leads as we get them. whether we develop them or whether they come from the tips hotline. but the mother and father decided to quit cooperating with the police but our dyers always open. martha: let's bring in mark fuhrman. a former l.a.p.d. homicide detective. >> when you look at the situation, it's a delicate investigation. i think delicate circumstances, a small child. so they entered the polygraph segment of this when they exhausted all the possible leads and possibilities where they didn't add up. like the point of entry, the window was not the point of entry for the suspects. the they cell phones caught my attention.

it doesn't jive with the kidnapping. after the polygraph there is three different ways you can be described to take a poly graph. you pass the polygraph, therefore, going truthful. it's inconclusive, we can't really tell, and then you failed the polygraph. but regardless there is a post-polygraph interview and i believe this is where the break down between the police and the parent took place. martha: from their side, they say that the police were relentless in their investigation of this couple. that they tried to pit them against each other. then them came at her and told her she failed this lie detector test. she claims at that point she needed a break. the husband said he needed a break. they felt it was over the top in terms of the investigation and that was all they wanted. they are claiming they are still cooperating. we heard from the aunt who said the family is still cooperating. they just want to find this

little girl. what do you think about all that? >> i don't think it really makes any difference. the police are running the investigation. they are the law enforcement and they gave the polygraph for a reason. when they gave a polygraph they ask certain questions of importance they needed answered. they didn't get truthful answers and they want to pursue those questions. that seems to be the pinnacle of this investigation. you have got to get beyond people that have access to a child and the people that have the possibility to kidnap or harm the child out of the way of the investigation. if the evidence at the scene doesn't match, you go to the people, you ask to take a polygraph. she took the polygraph and failed. they can't get yoinltd now because they are not cooperating. martha: you said before that the cell phone -- there were three cell phones missing. you say that was of interest to you, why, mark? >> it just doesn't jive.

you have an unlocked window as the point of entry. now you have an unlocked door. you have the mother and child in the house. somebody comes into the house, take this 10-month-old baby and manage to find two cell phones, they take them, for what purpose? obviously cell phones are for communication or to eliminate somebody to communicate. but they don't add up it's an unnecessary factor in the kidnapping. martha: we spoke to jeremy bradley the father. he said he came home, the lights were bright in the house. the door was open, then he discovered the little girl was missing and the mother and little boy didn't wake up through any of that. thank you so much. good to talk to you as always. mark fuhrman. bill: police are looking for answers. the amber alert was called off.

now the mystery continues. martha: somebody knows where this little baby is. bill: serious questions about the attorney general eric holder and what nephew about fast and furious and when. the president standing by holder. but texas senator john cornyn says he's the only one with confidence in the attorney general. martha: a big boost for republican presidential hopeful mitt romney. guess whose campaign money is flowing his way. >> there are some who believe a series of nations should share power. i think that's fantasy. mayor case safer if america is strong. p

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recommended brand. bill: 32 minutes past the hour. a pilot whose helicopter crashed in the new york city's east river are being grilled by investigators. >> * convicted killer george wright fighting extradition to the u.s. he has been on the run for 41 years. a giant sinkhole opening up near u.c. san diego campus. crew ofs say it was caused by a storm drain pipe. you want to steer very wide around that hole and make sure you don't hit it. martha: suddenly everything is

dark and you are not sure where you are. that's a bad feeling on your way to work. the tide may be changing in the race for 2012. mitt romney is holding on to his front runner status. and now he is picking up key money that has been pent up. you have got the former massachusetts governor gearing up for a big foreign policy speech he's going to give this morning. he says it's time for the u.s. to be a leader in the world again. >> we have to recognize the world seeks a strong america. the world is safer if america is strong. there are some in the world who think the right course is for a series of nations to their missouri. for there to be a balance of power. i think that's fantasy. the world is safer if america is strong. we are either going to be the follower or we are going to be the leader. martha: .

kevin, here we are again, is it going to be any different? >> it only feels lining six months. it is very different. we have seen what happened with barack obama's leadership. we have a bad economy and america trying to find footing in its position as a global leader. that the contrast you will see governor romney draw today. we famously heard the quote from the obama white house that america was going to lead from behind. so i think what you will see today is a contrast. he will have a very comprehensive approach of american exceptionalism. america has a unique role as the leader and the light for liberty and freedom around the globe, and we have to embrace that role, instead of like governor romney said trying to band

together as a group of nations sharing control. martha: let's look at governor romney's poll numbers. he has been snuck this range between 22% and 23%. it seems with chris christie out of the way, and that had to have been a huge sigh of relief coming from the romney camp when that happened. sarah palin saying she is not going to run. what is the expectation for him in terms of these poll numbers? what would you want to see over the next couple weeks? >> what we have seen define the electorate is volatility. governor romney has remained very steady. the field for a long period of time was unsettled. there was a lot of commotion and people trying to speculate who would get in. now with the field settled we have to remember public opinion is not an event, it's an evolution. this is a critical juncture where governor romney will work

to consolidate the party and make the case that he's the best candidate to lead the party against barack obama, particularly on the number one issue that's voters are concerned with and that's the economy. who can put america back to work. martha: he got very good reviews. he looked presidential, he looked confident in his role. a general elect might be easier than the next year will be in term of carving out this gop nomination and firing up the base and getting people enthusiastic about him as they might have been about chris christie or sarah palin. what is he going to do to connect those people, kevin? >> i don't think any general election is going to be easy when you go against a billion dollars and incumbent president. it's going to be a hard-earned

nomination and hard-earned general elect. the most important thing when you say connecting with voters. understanding what is the number one anxiety american people have it's this lack of leadership on the white house. we haven't seen job creation and wages go up. that's something that governor romney is an expert on. he knows what helps create jobs and he knows what pushes jobs overseas. he has an expertise that if americans are looking for now. that's how he can make the connect with voters. he's the right candidate to put america back to work. martha: in term of getting that tea party vote and firing people up do you feel confident he will be able to round them up and get them enthused? >> i don't think there is a monolithic block. i think they are dough -- i think they are devoted to spending, deficit and the size

of government. they are unhappy with wasteful spending and growing deficits and expanded control of the government. governor romney has spoken very precisely on those issues and let them know, he agrees they were personning too much money and they need to be more efficient with our taxpayer dollars. we need to get back to economic policies that will help american. martha: kevin, thank you. we hope to talk to governor romney sometime soon here on america's newsroom as well. so we are happy to have you here. thanks so as much, kevin. bill: a major foreign policy speech in about an hour. on the job front new numbers out for the month and jobless rate holding at 9.1%. millions of american still out of work. some employers telling the jobless that they need not apply. lawmakers trying to do something about that. mike tobin on that story in chicago. what are you finding out about this? >> there is a lot of outrage

about online hiring ads. some state specifically that the employer posting the ad is only interested in hiring someone who already has a job. critic call that unemployment discrimination and says it take a class of people and make them permanently unemployable. >> we are surprised to find well over 100 ads that he can reply sitly stated that the unemployed won't be considered. >> there is also the claim that unemployment is higher among minorities. so it wasn't hard to get legislators to jump into action. chicago is proposing a city law. new jersey passed a law. illinois is considering a law. the congress jumped into across and. bill: is that really nets, all this legislation? >> that where you get another set of critic who say the national employment law project looked at all the ads on the

internet and could only produce 150 examples of such legislation. you get more regulations on the books and what they say you do is create another protected class. >> the legislation is passed like this it end up preventing employers from hiring. they are scared if they don't give someone the job they are scared they will be sued for discrimination again the unemployed. >> they say the end result could be more government regular layings influencing the hiring of private companies. bill: happy birthday, fox. 15. martha: you came from cnn. what struck you when you got here. bill: which worked at cnn we had a large staff of 60-65 people. we have like 12. i think everybody around here

has to be nimble in order for to us stay on top. to stay competitive, and to stay number one. martha: you talked to roger ailes about that, how you stay fresh. he constantly encourages us to think outside the box and do something different. isn't that nice? happy anniversary, bill hemmer. we are like short timers. i came in 2004 and you came in 2005. bill: right. martha: it's been so much fun looking at everybody's faces and hear it last 15 years. bill: on that point about the people who started here. it's remarkable to see how many people are still here working who joined in 1996. it's special. and they are going to see a special tonight. i have the honor of interviewing you and o'reilly and hannity and shep and megyn, you name them all. there i so much material in 15 years. we are not sure of the details

tonight in the special. or the moment that capture why the fox news channel is special. martha: thank you for what you did. you have been working hard on that. we are looking forward to it. it's like being in a big party. martha: we want to thank everybody at home because you are the people who kept cuss on top. bill: that's so true. martha: this is what's coming up right here on "america's newsroom" today. a botched gun running sting putting attorney general eric holder on the hot seat and president obama defending him big time. senator john cornyn will weigh in. bill: the mystery unfolding in missouri *. where is this little girl? ♪ feel the beat? it's amazing what soup cano.

bill: president obama defending his attorney general eric holder as pressure mounts on hold

torrance for questions about the botched gun running sting known as "operation fast & furious." senator john cornyn of texas, chairman of the national republican senatorial committee. you made it clear you don't support eric holder. why the lack of confidence? >> he has some explaining to do. he testified under oath he didn't nope about this botched program known as "operation fast & furious" until april 2011, even though brian terry a border patrol agent was killed using one of these guns. so eric holder we now find out was told 10 months earlier than he testified under oath that he knew about this program. if he's got nothing to hide, he ought to come up to the hilt and clear up the -- come up to the hill and clear up the

contradiction. bill: do you believe the attorney general told the truth? >> i don't know that. i know there is a contradiction between his sworn testimony and the emails show. now he offered a lame excuse saying he had the report but he didn't philly understand the problems -- but -- but he didn't fully understand the details. bill: have you concluded how much you believe he had knowledge of this operation in the department of justice said the testimony has been consistent and truthful. they talked about his knowledge of tactical components, whatever that is. >> it has not been consistent. it's i am plausible in an organization like the department of justice that when a u.s. law enforcement officer has been killed because of a program designed and implemented

by a u.s. government agency that the attorney general would not know. so i believe he either did know or he should have known and that's why he has explaining to do on capitol hill. bill: do you expect him to come in and testify and if so is that a week or a month or a day down the road. >> we can't compel him to come, only senator leahy ... bill: given that, what would be your expectations. >> we can't make him do it but i would think he would want to do it if he has an innocent explanation of the contradiction. bill: is this the kind of story that nags at an administration or is this the kind of story that works its way out or ultimately as eric holder on the hot seat for a very long time. >> as long as they continue to stonewall this thing and not

come forward with a full explanation, the story is not going to go away. like so much of what happens on capitol hill it's not the original offense, it's the coverup that causes so much problems. so the attorney general can clear this up if it's an innocent explanation and he hope he takes advantage of the opportunity. bill: thank you, sir. john cornyn. martha: there is a scandal involving the failed solar panel company solyndra. someone at the center of this investigation has stepped down. bill: it was 10 years ago that war in afghanistan started. hear from the troops fighting america's longest war. it's been five years. five years. well, progressive gives megan discounts that you gs didn't. paperless, safe driver, and i get great service.

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bill: okay, men in high heels. that's it? san antonio, texas, men strapped on women's pumps. red was the color. they raised $6,000. martha: you wear the same shoes every single day. do you want to break out the red pumps? bill: not a chance. martha: boots hit the ground 10 years ago on this day in afghanistan. that mark the beginning of america's longest war. the mission then was to beat down al qaeda. dominic has more on where we are today. >> reporter: the mission has

changed from 10 years ago. now they are ramping up the afghan forces to take control. that could happen in 2014. but u.s. troops that are in country now are from a different generation. they are the 9/11 generation. we saw them on the eastern front to find out what they think is the mission. >> it's not just about killing the bad guys. it's about change how people feel about everywhere else in the world. >> it don't mean the war stops because osama bin laden is dead. >> we are more helping the country out now. getting the afghan national army out so they dock their job. >> this country has been at war for hundreds of years. us being here, we are doing a good job, we are doing a better job than others. it's just -- history will always repeat itself here.

report * most of the soldiers we spoke to are committed to the mission and knew exactly what it was they had to do. that was train their afghan partners as quickly as possible. the last two years have been the most bloody. no one was able to tell me how long u.s. troops would stay here. no one in the u.s. embassy. martha: thank you for bringing us those voices from that incredible mission that has been going on for 10 years. what an incredibly fine fighting force they are. bill: no question. you will hear more about this next hour. mitt romney is said to make a major foreign policy speech. all that will be a part of it. we'll keep an eye on that forhead lines. a new fight break out between

the president and the speaker of the house. starting with president obama's latest push for congress to get the jobs bill through. here is speaker boehner's reaction to all that. >> nothing has disappointed me more than what's happened the past five weeks. to watch the president of the united states give up on governing, give on leading and spend full time campaigning. martha: quite a statement from john boehner. coming up we'll have a pair and balanced debate. let me tell you about a very important phone call i made.

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channel. good morning i'm martha maccallum. bill: i'm bill hemmer. happy birthday. martha: happy birthday to you. bill: happy birthday to our viewers at home. who are 15 now. jonathan silver is only one taking the fall for letting that massive taxpayer-funded loan go up in smoke. part of a $36 billion investment designed to create jobs. martha: despite all the signs that solyndra was not a stable company president obama says the agency officials used their best judgment in approving that loan. >> now we knew from the start that the loan guarantee program was going to entail some risk, by definition. if it was a risk-free proposition, then we wouldn't have to worry about it but the overall portfolio has been successful. martha: charlie hurt, columnist for "the washington times" joins me now. charlie, good morning to you. >> good morning to you. and happy birthday. martha: thank you very much. thank you very much. we're 15 years old today, which is a good thing. i want to talk to you about

the president's comment he just said there. it kind of makes it sound as if, well, when you're investing some investments fail. we all understand that. this is an investment that the bush administration decided not to invest in. then a couple weeks later the obama administration decided it was like a different deal. doesn't it take more explaining than that in this case? >> i think absolutely. this goes to the heart of what i think is sort of president obama's total disconnect with private investors. you know, the idea that investors don't take risks, are you kidding me? that's all they do. he thinks that, and he is trying to suggest here that if there was no risk at all we could leave it to the private sector and that the government has to get involved because there's a risk. that is just a complete misunderstanding of private investment. but the real shocking thing here to me is, this is perfect, sort of accountability washington style where you have a policy, and actual involvement from the highest

levels of the the administration and at some lower level bureaucrat take as walk on it. this is about the administration's policy which obviously is debatable but also comes out on the short end in terms of what the american people want to be spending money on these days. and then as you pointed out the terrible mistakes that were made and the influence that was impressed upon it at the highest levels, this guy, is not responsible for that. martha: that is the key phrase right there, the influence at the highest levels. the latest word that congressman cliff stearns wants the president's blackberry to be part of the communications investigation because he wants to know if he personally made any assurances to anybody, yeah that loan is going to go through, you don't have to worry about that. that's what they're looking for, charlie. >> the whole situation where they had the press conference, wanted to roll it out, get this sealed up before president obama made, basically a sort of, you know, midterm campaign sort

of thing, you know, appearance. i mean that is just, it is devastating and it does not speak well for sort of the cool, no drama manner that president obama promised us. martha: we'll see. if the blackberry has to get turned over. as we all remember they wanted the president not to have a blackberry for security reasons. now he manned up being sorry that he did. charlie hurt, from "the washington times.". >> thank you, martha. bill: fox news alert right now. a new jobs number out this morning showing 103,000 jobs added in the month of september. unemployment rate holding steady, 9.1% again. from the fox business network want to bring in gerri willis, the anchor of "the willis report". good morning to you. >> good morning, bill. bill: go deeper on the numbers but your reaction to the news we got last hour? >> it is good news but reality cut by some of the material in the report if

you dig in. one of the numbers jumped out to me i was surprised by, manufacturing payrolls down significantly 13,000. you got to understand, manufacturing has fueled some of the growth we've seen this year. to see a setback here is not food news. the real unemployment numbers too, rising. that includes people stopped looking for new jobs. people accepted part-time jobs instead of full-time jobs. bill: where is that, gerri? >> 16.5%. 16.5%. 9.1% is by anybody's measure unacceptable for this economy. we have to do better. bill: that is the big picture. go specifically to september. verizon had 45,000 workers who went back to work because they were on the picket line? and they were considered unemployed and now they are considered to have a job? what does that mean? >> this is the smoke in the mirror makes the numbers seem like they're completely meaningless. 45,000 verz southern workers last month on strike considered jobless. remember we had the zero

number for august? this really isn't true. if you look at better numbers this month they're virtually cut in half what happened with verizon. all the sector growth has been private sector. government slippinging. good news out of that. less for taxpayer to worry about. this verizon story obscures --. bill: they were never unemployed is what you're saying? >> they were on strike. bill: of the 103,000, about half of that goes to verizon, right? that's what you're saying? >> sew cut that 103,000 virtually in half. about 50,000 people, a gain. i got to tell you that is no way to jump-start and economy. we have to have 150,000, 200,000, 250,000 expansion of payrolls over years, years, bill to actually get this economy moving again. getting people back to work. expanding this economy rather than shrinking it. bill: if you take the verizon factor out you're not at 103,000, you're at 58,000. that would be -- >> it's not good.

bill: indeed. your number about 16% underemployed is stunning. gerri, thank you. we'll check you out on "the willis report" later today. >> good to see you. bill: here's martha. martha: put that into a bit of perspective. the current unemployment rate is 9.1%, a major rise when it was 5% back in december of 2007. right now the total number of people out of work is 14 million. gerri points out it pops up to 16% when you look at underemployed. bill: new reaction in the jobs picture from mitt romney. he was on "fox and friends" earlier today. how he would add jobs if he were elected? >> you learn lessons from ronald reagan and what he did after the recession when he came into office. he made sure government was not burdening the enterprise system. he kept taxes low, held down regulation, expanded trade around the world and in the month of september following the recession he inherited we actually created over a million jobs. what you're seeing now is the result of a failed

economic policy by a president who has been in office three years and is looking for someone to blame. bill: romney also went on to knock president obama's claims that republicans have not cooperated. pointing out democrats controlled both the house and senate for the first two years of the obama administration. martha: speaking of those republican white house hopefuls, washington, d.c. is the place to be for them this weekend. a key voting bloc's annual meeting, called the value voters summit and attracts candidates and top gop lawmakers alike. guess who else is there? where he is? carl cameron, our correspondent live in the middle of it all. carl, this is opportunity, really. rick perry seems like he is slipping a little bit in this whole picture but he has a chance to jump-start his relationship with conservatives after some tough debates for him. >> reporter: that's the size of it. rick perry will be speaking here later this afternoon. for him the values voters summit is opportunity to come to washington to

reassure conservatives he is a trustworthy and reliable full spectrum conservative republican. he had some troubles. one of the things he is expected to deal with today the controversy over what have been refered to as forced vaccinations of young girls against stds in texas, that he advocated but ultimately didn't happen. he was overruled about the legislature. conservatives expressed misgivesing and over illegal immigration. for perry this is big opportunity. we'll hear from newt gingrich, michele bachmann and rick santorum. all the republican candidates will be here over the values voter summit next couple days. there will be a straw poll in the afternoon to spice things up let conservatives say who they like best at least on this day, martha. martha: people have written rick perry off before in campaigns. it will be very interesting to see what he can do. we'll hear on foreign policy as i talk over the applause behind carl, from mitt romney today as well, right? >> reporter: that's right.

he is down in south carolina at the citadel, south carolina's military college and giving a speech his first foreign policy speech during his campaign. he will make eight points he will implement during the first 100 days of his presidency to bolster u.s. security and foreign relations around the world. heaping criticism on mr. obama on this. not a lot of discussion on his republican rivals. this is something that romney to on the foreign staging is he doesn't have a lot of experience and domestic businessman and governor of massachusetts. his national affairs portfolio is what he wants to boost, martha. martha: big day for him and all of them this weekend as they scramble for the frontrunner status here. carl, thank you very much. bill: a debate four days after that. it will all sort itself out somehow he lost his re-election bid in 2006 for this comment to a member of his opponent's campaign. >> this fellow over here with the yellow shirt, macaca or whatever his name

is. welcome, let's give a welcome to macaca here. welcome to america and the real world of virginia. bill: now the former senator george allen is trying to reclaim his seat in congress. today he will join us live and tell us how. martha: he is in a tight race with tim kane. attorney general eric holder facing a firestorm what he knew about operation "fast & furious". today a group of border sheriffs are pouring fuel on this file. congressman paul gosar is on the committee demanding answers on this he joins us live coming you be. bill: house speaker john boehner, a serious allegation, a bit of a fireball launched toward president obama. >> mr. president, why have you given up on the country and decided to campaign full time instead of doing what the american people sent us all here to do to find common ground, to deal with the big challenges that face our economy and our country?

bill: she admitted to killing her husband, firing the 11 bullets that took his

life. on thursday a new york jury acquitted barbara sheehan of murder in a case that brought attention to domestic abuse. she had said that her husband abused her for years and threatened to kill her. the jury accepting her defense, a battered wife syndrome. sheehan said she feared for her life but had no choice but to kill her husband. the d.a. reacted to that verdict. listen here from new york city. >> the jury is has now spoken and i accept its verdict. in doing so however i want to make one thing very, very clear, that's the fact that today's verdict should not be viewed as a victory for the defense or for victims of domestic violence just as guilty verdict would not have represent ad victory for the prosecution. bill: barbara sheehan is 50 years old. she will face a mandatory jail sentence for conviction on weapons charges. that verdict shocked a lot of people. martha: let's go to this now. arizona sheriffs are set to

speak on the controversial gun-running sting known as "fast & furious" and they're now joining the calls from house republicans demanding more answers exactly what the attorney general knew about this operation and when he knew it. we're back to the old what did you know and when did you know it. congressman paul gosar has been very outspoken on this issue saying this. let's take a look at his quote. we're talking about consequences of criminal activity where we actually allowed guns to walk into the hands of criminals where our livelihoods are at risk. when you facilitate that and a murder or felony occurred you're called an accessory. very strong words from this gentleman who joins me now. congressman paul gosar on the house committee on oversight and government reform. congressman, welcome, good to have you here. >> good morning, martha. martha: when you look at that quote and think about the context of all this do you still stand by that or do you think you went a little too far? >> absolutely i stand by those words. main street america, the american people are demanding that bureaucrats

and our agencies live to the same tone of the law that they do. i mean we took an oath to uphold the constitution, to defend this country against domestic violence, foreign or domestic. this exactly what transpired. this is the first time we allowed guns to walk into criminals hands without surveillance and tracking mechanisms in a war front. the mexican people have lost almost 45,000 people south of our border and we facilitated this. the american people when they find out these guns will show up at crime scenes at their doorsteps throughout america, particularly in the southwest and mexico, that is egregious. martha: tell me a little bit what you're learning how far up this goes. eric holder says basically he didn't know about it. he says i probably learned about it a couple weeks ago. that was in may but the evidence he knew about it actually in july according to these e-mails. >> when you go back to his statements in mexico in

april of 2009 he outlines a tactical change along with secretary of homeland security napolitano which they will put a whole bunch more forces down here in the southwest. and it ends up becoming this. and so you, when you have looked at this, like i said before, 45,000 people losing their lives in the southern part of this border, we have a crime scene that is going on. we've lost two gentlemen from this country. you had to have known about this because the option, martha, here is completely egregious. we had some vigilantees within doj and atf doing this on their own? martha: that is the problem of other side not knowing equally as bad perhaps worse in some cases. the sheriffs what are they doing there today. >> the sheriffs are asking for accountability. they are here to protect and defend their communities. they are were never led to believe this so they are put directly into harm's way. these aren't small weapons.

they are .50 caliber weapons, ak-47's. they weren't included in a comprehensive plan to break down this drug trafficking. >> which is mind-boggling when you put it that way. they had some of the weapons pointed right at them as brian terry did and not even know they came from their own country. >> that's exactly right what is so wrong about this. there is no way it could have worked. it violates all the government working for the people and in defending these people and protecting them. martha: we're watching this. we'll see where it goes. what it means for attorney general eric holder. congressman, thanks for joining us from arizona. we appreciate it. >> martha, thanks very much. everybody needs to keep their eye on this thing. this is egregious attempt by government on our personal freedoms and liberties and defense of our people. martha: we're keeping an eye on it. good to see you. bill: 19 minutes past the hour. long before he became senator scott brown out of massachusetts opposed for cosmopolitan without a lot of clothing on quite frankly. his opponent was asked about

that. brown fires back. only in politics. martha: you have to stick around for that. there is this as well we're keeping eye on. first they were not considered suspects in this case. the parents of the missing 10-month-old baby girl have police scratching their heads in this case. >> i woke up and he came home and, he said she is not had her crib. i said, what do you mean she is not had her crib? i just knew, you know, something was really wrong. and we're running around the house screaming for her. we didn't know where she was. i said call 911. call 911. he said where are the phones. they weren't on the counter where i left them. they were gone.

bill: now the parents of a missing 10-month-old girl in missouri insisting they're doing all they can to help police.

investigators claim lisa irwin's mother and father, have stopped talking with detectives after the mother they claim failed a lie detector test. she denies she failed that test. the couple offering tearful please to the public in the three days since lisa disappeared. >> she is everything. she is our little girl. she completed our family and she means everything to my boys. and, we, we need her home. i can't be without her. >> every time we talk to somebody, the police or anything, they run up and give us a hug and say, did they find her yet? we always tell them, not yet. not yet. only thing we know to tell them. bill: this is mystery playing out rather publicly. dr. keith ablow a psychiatrist and member of fox news medical a-team. good morning to you. >> good morning, bill. bill: it is very difficult thing for us to get into the minds of the parents knowing how public the story is. cameras are on them.

police are on them. how do we go about figuring out how they're doing or how they're handling this, doctor? >> first, we should acknowledge, number one i haven't interviewed them of course, bill. secondly, no reaction is stereotypical in this situation. when you're in front of a camera, when you're in the middle after tragedy that is unfolding, it is hard to put yourself in the place of the other person, so our empath thick skills are challenged. there are some things we can at least think about in this situation. bill: such as what? when you consider this, they have answered questions from reporters. they haven't denied the public. how do you evaluate that, doctor? >> yeah. this is what i'm thinking. again it's thought based on my 15 years as a forensic psychiatrist so take it for what you will. i think the mom's reaction is unusual. doesn't mean that she isn't involved but for someone who

police might theorize could be involved, it is an unusual reaction because there seems to be really sincere sadness, really sincere panic. it's very tough for people to manufacture the weeping that she is doing. it is very tough to go to a camera and reporters and say, i failed the lie-detector test but the lie-detector test has to be wrong. you would have to almost be sociopathic to do that and we don't know her to be a sociopath. so that to me, i would start to think, well, her reaction seemed quite human. on the other hand, her husband's reactions are very restrained. i'm not saying they're not human but they're quite mechanical. bill: let me get our viewers up-to-date. apparently she told the nbc today show earlier today, she willingly took a lie-detector test earlier in the week. she said the police came back that you failed and she said that is not possible. she repeatedly denied even the possibility that she

would fail or flung a lie-detector test. i think the point you make in the beginning is the most salient point at the moment here. that is, no reaction is normal. >> that's correct, bill. no reaction is normal. you can't predict what a person would do when his or her baby goes missing but when you are looking through a window at people and you're saying, well, can somebody fabricate emotion at that level? i'm hard-pressed to say yes, she could fabricate that. plus there is something naively, seemingly disarmingly honest about coming forward and saying i took this test. they told me i failed. that is not possible because i don't know where she is and what happened. bill: very difficult thing for us. >> to say that is very graphic. bill: thank you, listen, doctor, thank you for your evaluation. keith ablow is in boston. >> take care. bill: take care as well, doctor. this is the number if you have any information. police there in missouri,

they want to hear from you if you've got it. so. martha: very interesting from keith ablow on that. bill: yeah. martha: he found the reaction to be very sincere. you don't want to judge these parents because they're in the nightmare situation that any parents would never ever want to find themselves in, yet there is no -- they need to keep on it from all angles and find that little baby girl. all right, so this is what's coming up. outlining new agendas as the race for virginia's senate seat is getting very interesting, folks. in just minutes, senate candidate george allen is going to be joining us. he is running against tim kaine, the former dnc head there. bill: in moments, for on speaker boehner's act key saugss throwing the down on leadership. what do you think? a great panel to fair and balanced in a moment. here is joe biden how people are feeling about the state. economy in the u.s.. >> the american people right now are, many of them are in real trouble and even larger

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rereelected on not governing the country. >> reporter: why are you campaigning instead of doing what we were all sent to do, is find common ground to do the things necessary for our country. bill: how are you guys doing today? mary catherine is boehner right? >> almost awful it is about positioning not about getting a bill passed or much of anything passed. i would note the timeline when he was complaining in department about the free trade bills, and look there is something we could do for the president right now said the president. the trade bills were sitting on his desk. he finally turned them over to congress, sent them back on tuesday of next week. they are probably going to get passed. he a phroudz them in his press conference. he says that is not really going to be enough. when he gets things done he

changes the goal post. now we are talking about this there are parts he knows he would negotiate and republicans could take up. he needs the fight more than he needs the bill and frankly he should start leading with democrats on the hill who are ones going to great lengths not to vote on the bill. bill: i'm going to put you in the partially correct column then. >> reporter: mostly correct. bill: are you going with that. >> i'll join with mary catherine. the president has done some work on patent reform on the free trade bills and there is a section of his jobs bill, particularly the extension of the payroll tax holiday that i think he can get through. but he's trying to rally his base, that's what explains the millionaires tax. he's trying to keep the senate democrats together and i think ultimately john boehner is right the president is not saying to the leaders, come to the white

house. he's out on the campaign trial while our economic problems seemingly get worse. bill: i'm going to put you both in the mostly correct category. >> reporter: i've got to say something wilder next time. bill: mix it up. we heard press about a week ago saying americans are not better off than four years ago. yesterday joe biden said something that you do not hear from a citying vice president about how americans feel about a right track, ropbg track for the country. we want you to listen to this from the vice president. >> no matter what the circumstance, at the end of the day the american people right now are -- many of them are in real trouble, and larger percentage have stagnant wages, and a significant majority of the american people believe that the country is not moving in the

right direction. bill: that is a right track wrong track number that we look at every four years. and that determines the outcome for the white house, mary catherine. what is the strategy behind this. do you believe? >> i think joe biden's strategy is to take everything that is here and let it come out of here without much thinking about it at all. bill: no filter. >> yeah, with obama it's a little bit more puzzling. i have to say the republican ad makers have to be looking at the two statements, the one where obama said in a full sentence, people aren't better off than they were four years ago, cut and print, we're using that ad all over the place. it's borderline destructive. they are speaking the truth but i do believe there is a more artful way to go about it. bill: does it suggest that the internal numbers at the white house are worse than we even think? >> yeah it suggests that the numbers are really bad and they don't see any immediate improvement. they are trying to take the

issue off the table any way they can, so that they avoid the ronald reagan, jimmy carter debate line are you better off or worse off than you were four years ago. they are trying to say, we acknowledge you're probably in dire straits. bill: will it work? >> i don't think it will work. it's a. bret: strategy than trying to presume that roses are coming out all over, because they are not. bill: okay. we shall see. happy birthday by the way, you're both 15. guess who who else is 15 today. jenna martha: we have a brand-new poll that shows a really competitive contest. this is tim cain versus george

allen. george kaine joins me now. >> good morning to you, martha. martha: it's interesting to look at your political path. here you are again coming back trying to run for the senate seat that you lost against west. it's a moment i'm sure you'd rather not revisit. the the big question is what was different then in your experience to now in the state of virginia? >> first of all that was a mistake. i never should have drawn that young man into the debate. he was simply doing his job. and i was wrong to do so. i've apologized for it. it diverted the campaign away from the issues that families really care about. one of my motivations for running is looking at the future through the eyes of our children. our oldest daughter graduated last year from college, and like many of her peers had a hard time finding work. she is lucky, she eventually did. i see our country going in the wrong direction with fewer

opportunities in our country. you see a government that is spending, hitting us with punishing counter productive energy policies, higher taxes and a variety of things that are tkphapb ir diminishing the opportunities not just for susan and our children but for all children to achieve the american dream. we believe america should not continue declining. it needs to be ascending today. we have to comeback with projobs policies which i've outlined in my blueprint for america's comeback. and my opponents on the obama side policies which are keeping us with high unemployment. martha: this is a very important race for you and virginias. you have tim kaine who won the dnc in a state that president obama was very proud to win, because it has gone both ways in recent system. how has virginia changed?

you have a 39% approval rating for press in virginia. how does that help you as you head into this race? >> virginia will be in the eye of the political storm, martha. if i win this. whomever wins this senate race in virginia i think will have that party controlling the u.s. senate whether it's common-sense conservatives or more of the reid, schumer obama elk. it will be a key race. virginia has right to work laws and that is a great advantage to us. as governor being the furthest state north on the eastern seaboard with the right to work law. the government is suing obama for locating another right to work state. we say they can't sue a company or tell them where they need to locate. the other things virginians see is that the federal government in contracting favor union workers which adds to the cost of taxpayers and takes away from

job opportunities for virginia contractors on projects in northern virginia and hampton road. martha: that will be a central issue as we look at all the job creation issues across the country. you guys will be debating that for sure in virginia. i think it's interesting as you look across the country as you try to make a political comeback, george allen we thank you very much for being here. good to talk to you sir, and we want to point out that it's good to have you. we talked to tim kaine's folks as well we'd like to ask him on and hear his side of the race in virginia. bill: obama won virginia in 2000, the first time since 1964. we'll see which way the winds blow there. martha new reaction from the white house on a nearly stagnant jobs market. a democratic on the house jobs committee. what needs to be done to turn him around. we'll talk to him. martha: the fight to hold onto a republican seat in a democratic

stronghold is haoegtd up. have you heard what these two are saying to each other? scott brown and elizabeth warren. >> i paid for my college education, i posed for cosmo. how did you pay for your college education? >> i kept my clothes on.

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bill: democrats going off massachusetts senator scott brown saying the republican incumbent hit below the belt. he posed nude back at college at boston college. elizabeth warren was asked about the photos earlier in the week. here is what she said. >> scott brown posed for cosmo to help pay for his college. how did you pay for your college education. >> i kept my clothes on. bill: you could say that was the moment from that debate. brown fired back during a radio interview yesterday. here is what he said. >> have you officially responded to elizabeth warren's comment about how she didn't take her clothes off? >> thank god. bill: so, there was an outcry from democrats and a few women's groups. warren said she brushed it off saying she could survive a few jobs from scott brown.

she's not asking for an apology. an interesting race isn't it. martha: i think they are even now. they are pretty even. all righty. we'll revisit that. let's talk about something that is a little less entertaining at the moment that is the monthly unemployment report showing that the jobs market is basically at a standstill, a hundred thousand jobs were added in september. half of those were verizon workers straoeurbging, then they went back to work. the number is tolding steady at 9.1%. the white house saying it is unacceptably high which is no big surprise, because it is. meanwhile since president obama took office here is a look at the way things have gone. since 2009 the unemployment rate has hovered well over 8 and many times over 9 percent according to that chart. joined now by democratic

congressman john yarmas who is on the budget committee. thank you for joining us. >> good to be with you. martha: what is your reaction to the number that is out today. >> it was news better than expected. it's the 19th straight month of private sector job growth in the country. 2.50million private sector jobs created in that phaoerd which is a lot better than what we saw back in the send of 2008 the beginning of 2009 when we were losing about three-quarters of a million jobs every know. we all know this is not enough. this is the rate that basically comes close to accommodating the people who enter the job for the and doesn't deal with the 14, 15 million who are looking for work. we know we have to do a better job. that's why the president's proposed a pretty comprehensive and gigantic job growth program. martha: that is exactly what i want to talk to you about. i'm wondering what is going to happen with this vote. apparently harry reid said he didn't want to have a vote on in

in the senate. there is concern that there are 17 wong men and women who said they will not vote for the president's jobs bill. is there a concern among democrats if this thing comes to a vote that it's not going to pass? >> one of the things we all re realized it was going to be a very tough road to get this passed. the president gets criticized, and i and many democrats criticize him for negotiating on the 50-yard line. he's put forth a bold program, it lace off significant options for creating jobs, many of which as we know republicans have supported historically. i think he's don't right thing. he says here are our options, we can do all of this. we ought to do all of this. then let the republicans comeback and say, let's take it aeu mart and let's that i can some of them. martha: would you vote yes on the current plan as it stands sir.

>> absolutely. martha: what do you think about the fact that so many democrats say they would vote gains it? >> democrats are a diverse group of people. sraoe have moderate and conservative democrats as well as progressive ones. there are provisions of this bill that i don't think make a lot of sense. the vast majority of it i think makes good sense. it's like golf, politics is not a game of perfect, and neither is legislating, and you think you're going to get the ideal bill you never will. martha: congressman yarmuth thank you very much for being here today. we'll see if they get support for the jobs bill. bill: it is issue number one in america. jon scott is coming up in a couple minutes now on "happening now." happy birthday, jon. jon: same to you. it is 15 years ago when the war in afghanistan began. we'll talk to the family of the first american soldier killed by enemy fire there. new jobs numbers out, what it means to you and your future.

we are taking your questions on jobs, go to foxnews.com/"happening now," click on the america's asking tab to weigh in and yes 15th anniversary of fox news channel. happy birthday to all of us. bill: big 1-5. we'll see you in the big 3-0. jon: you bet. bill: in the trial of michael jackson's doctor, will the tape kept under wraps finally become public? and a hungry family to love them. campbell's. it's amazing what soup can do.

bill: the jurors in the michael jackson trial of dr. murray could hear from the doctor today not from the stand but through a tape that has not been made

public until day. this could be interesting, could we hear it today? >> that's what we are hearing. we are being told this is a good time for the prosecution to present this tape before the jury comes home for a long weekend. we have a holiday monday. the tape is said to be two hours long taken right after michael jackson died with dr. murray. dr. murray talks about what happened that day. you can bet the prosecution is going to take and use that against him. the question becomes, are they going to play the whole tape or just snippets. some people thaoer rice if they play only snippets, the defense will say we want the whole thing played. yesterday they got bogged down about talking about all the different drugs found in michael jackson's room and what was in his system and what was in his bloodstream, his urine, his liver. it got slow and teed yeah yesterday. today you can bet, bill if that tape is played it becomes much

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[applause] [laughter] >> okay. reply. right back at yeah, thanks for everything, and send. we'll be right back. bill: nicely done. martha: thanks for everything. and send. bill: solis even happy birthday. martha: happy birthday. it's not our birthday. there is some confusion out there. it is fox news channel birthday. thank you for your wishes for us and also for the news channel. we are very proud of this operation. bill: indeed we are, and you as well. martha: have a great weekend. bill: we'll blowout the candles together. we'll see you monday, bye-bye. martha: you bet. jon: the party doesn't end there. we conti