after the show show. log on to foxandfriends.com. >> alisyn: mike, thanks so much. >> mike: my pleasure. >> well, there are new questions emerging this morning about the obama administration's backing of failed solar panel maker solyndra. the company leaving taxpayers on the hook for more than half a billion dollars in government loans when it went bust in late august. hi, everybody, great to see you today. i'm jamie kolbe. >> and i'm eric shawn. good to see you as we do every sunday. welcome to america's news headquarters on this sunday morning. the latest questions surround the obama fundraiser turned energy department official. this is him. his name is steven spinner. and there are questions over his role for that massive loan

despite what some charge is a major interest that involves his wife. peter doocy live with the latest on this investigation. peter, congressman issa has been conducting hearings on this. what did he say about it this morning? >> on whole, he said the main problem with this wasn't the loan itself. it was breaching protocol to make it happen. as the committee keeps digging into the deal, they're finding it isn't just solyndra. he said there's a pattern of investments. his main goal is making sure more taxpayer money isn't wasted like that in the future. >> the american people will judge the overall policy and how they pick winners and losers. remember this was a $500 million earmark effectively by political appointees. something that you hear about with congress, you don't always hear about with the president. my view is my committee's jurisdiction and energy and commerce are doing a great job in this. my jurisdiction is trying to figure out how it doesn't happen again.

>> but in his most recent comments about the failed solar panel company, president obama said his administration did their due diligence and that even though we lost a ton of money on this loan, that's just the way it is. >> and, you know, the nature of these programs are going to be ones in which, you know, for every success, there may be one that does not work out as well. but that's exactly what the loan guarantee program was designed by congress to do. it was to take bets on these areas where we need to make sure we're maintaining our lead. >> one of the men pushing the administration to make that $535 million bet as president obama called it is attracting a lot of attention this weekend as well, eric. >> yeah, that's steve spinner, we just showed his picture a moment ago. who is he? he was an obama fundraiser. what was his role and what about his wife? >> well, eric, we know that he raised about half a million dollars for candidate obama back

in 2008 and then he slid into a top job at the department of energy and used that post at d.o.e. to push for solyndra to get this loan and have a fancy ceremony announcing this loan. some people think this is problematic because his wife worked for a law firm that represented solyndra at the time. steve spinner no longer works at the department of energy. he's at a democratic think tank now. >> is this part of the investigation? >> this morning, congressman issa did not say anything about it on fox news sunday. >> i'm sure there will be more developments and we'll keep on it. thank you. >> it has happened yet again. presidential hopeful herman cain enjoying another strong showing among voters this week. cain taking second place behind ron paul at the value voters summit in washington winning 23% of the vote. seven points higher than rick santorum and holding a double digit lead over rick perry and

michelle bachmann. this follows cain's surprise victory in a florida straw poll last month so is the former pizza chain executive more than a flash in the pan in this race and what does he need to stay in the spotlight and keep the spread? he's a staff writer for "roll call." always great to have you here on sunday morning. >> thanks for having me. good to be here. >> how about the herman cain phenomenon? how is the party reacting to this? they have a lot of classy and competent candidates at this point. where does he fit in? >> i think herman cain is clearly the outsider in the race meaning he's never been elected to public office before although he has run. he's a charismatic figure. he's good on the stump. people really like him and he's a candidate in the race that really says what a lot of republican primary voters are thinking, very plain spoken terms and in terms like these when things aren't good and people are hungry for leadership, that can go over really well. >> there's no doubt about it, i interviewed him this week and herman cain understands the

sound bite. he does speak in terms that people understand, whether or not we're in a position to evaluate what's right for this country or not. one of the things i asked him is about what he'll do with the primary races. there were some predictions he might skip some and participate in some. here's what he had to say and i want to get your thoughts of whether it's a winning strategy for him. >> we are going to be in new hampshire, we're not going to ignore or skip either one of those. we already started a strong presence in south carolina and n florida in the south. yes, south is going to be key. we're not going to skip those early states. >> he came out with a book this week "this is herman cain." he wants people to know who he is and he's getting to these places to meet them face to face. is that what it takes? >> well, name i.d. is certainly important. so i think it's smart for herman cain to try to do anything he can to allow people to get to know him because that's part of the battle. and i think that he is going to have to focus on the early states because it's your

performance in iowa, new hampshire, south carolina, and these days, florida and sometimes nevada that can determine whether you are then viable beyond that and if you can win the nomination because how you do in the early states generates momentum, fundraising and it starts to pull voters away from other candidates. this is not a race where you can do poorly in those states but somehow win california and texas and all of their republican delegates to come back from behind. you have to do well early. so i'm going to be looking to see if herman cain puts together some strong ground operations in iowa, and south carolina, new hampshire, that will tell a lot of how serious his campaign is. there's nothing wrong with being an outsider, it can be an asset but certainly things are impacting politics so he'll have to do that to capitalize on his new found support. >> and he went to florida and he's getting out and meeting people. kissing the babies and shaking the hands. ron paul, too, really has the grassroots efforts thing going. he had a good day yesterday at

the values voter summit and then you have, of course, the better name -- no names. mitt romney and rick perry. are we going to start to see some name calling? we've already seen a little bit. between these candidates and is that what republican voters, even independents considering it will accept? >> well, it's always a little feisty in a primary because you're running for the nomination. you're trying to show republican voters or democratic voters and democratic primary that you're the best republican, you're the best democrat. but i think a real smart strategy for anyone who has an eye towards the general election is to focus most of their criticism at president barack obama and explain why they'd be the better choice there, it makes them look presidential and it can set you apart from the pack and i think one of rick perry's problems, his biggest missteps was he got caught up in skirmishes with other republican candidates, instead of focusing on what makes him better than the president. i think that's one of the things that mitt romney has done really

well. it would be smart for mitt romney and ron paul to do the same. >> thank you. eric? >> jamie, the occupy wall street protests are continuing today here in new york city. several thousand demonstrators have gathered in manhattan as they have been for the last several weeks. as you can s yesterda they marched downtown in greenwich village, washington square park, it was a peaful assembly. the protesters speaking out against what they call corporate greed and the growing gap in incomes in this country. they claim their movement has no leaders and they are making decisions by consensus. they camp out in lower manhattan. >> eric, those same protests are also taking root in washington. occupy d.c. demonstrators saying government corruption has led the country astray. >> middle aged, middle class person and i think it's wrong, too, and i think my government has been captured by special

interests, been captured by corporations. i feel like there's a lot of people that came out and said we want things to be -- >> i am completely disgusted with our political system and our economic system at the moment. and i've never bn so worried about my country ever. >> some of the occupy d.c. protesters were involved in a rowdy scene at the smithsonian air & space museum yesterday. they were joined by members of the anti-war october 2011 stop the machine demonstration. when they tried to force their way into the museum, a guard used pepper spray to disperse the crowd. a d.c. fire department spokesman says no one was seriously hurt. >> other protests of a different sort in europe. this in germany that targeted syrian diplomatic buildings. that followed the death of a kurdish opposition leader. dozens of people broke into the syrian embassy in berlin and the

syrian consulate in hamburg. the protesters vandalized the buildings before they eventually left peacefully. it was friday's killing that sparked the international outrage and the protests. that turned 50,000 mourners into the streets. >> and they say it's a critical victory for libyan forces. huge plumes of smoke line the sky near sert, the city that's one of qaddafi's last strong holds and where the revolution fighters say they have captured a key base belonging to loyalists. david piper streaming live in tripoli with what they're now, you know, tell us if you can what the revolution -- >> revolutionary fighters have fought their way into the heart of the city and they've now got to green square, jamie. this is a place quite near the sea and there is heavy fighting around the buildings in that place. this was actually a coordinated assault which started on friday with forces pushing in from the east and the west, with tanks and artillery supporting them.

they've already taken the convention center. this was another qaddafi stronghold. that was left just in rubble after nato's strikes and artillery attacks there. the hospital now has also been taken and revolutionary fighters have been going through there arresting any suspected pro qaddafi fighters there. the university also was taken overnight. we believe that one of these revolutionary fighters got in a tank and smashed a major wall down to allow these forces to get in. we don't know if he's survived that incident. nato planes have been seen in the air today but there have been no reports of any strikes. there's reports of civilians being caught up in the fighting. revolutionary command says most of them have managed to get out, escape but that a few may still remain. also this time, libya's national transitional council says once sirte falls, they can declare

libya free because all the ports have been captured. and then they can get on with rebuilding this country and forming a new government. but one strong hold still remains except for sirte. this is about 90 miles southeast of here. and that's still -- they're still holding out there the qaddafi forces but revolutionary forces are moving on that and building up for one last fight there. back to you. >> david piper joining us live from libya. thank you. >> we're now getting some new details on that secret obama administration memo that lays out the legal justification for killing radical u.s. born cleric anwar al-awlaki in yemen. al-awlaki had been linked to several terrorist attacks on our country but it was also an american citizen who was born in new mexico. so how justified was the decision to kill him without trial and about this controversial policy? joining us now as he does every sunday morning at this time, the former united states ambassador to the united nations, john

bolton, good morning. >> good morning. glad to be here. >> if you're a terrorist and you want to kill us and you want to commit treason, is it ok for the united states government to want to kill you and kill you first? >> well, the circumstances, obviously, have to be determined on a case-by-case basis. i think what's significant about the obama administration's decision to kill al-awlaki is that they have now essentially bought in big picture terms, the idea that the war on terrorism is in fact a war rather than a matter of criminal law enforcement and therefore that the legal war is a legal war and not a war of criminal procedure. it's not entirely clear. a big picture given the conclusion that they went after al-awlaki and killed him is that they have accepted that. what president bush began, the obama administration has now accepted. that's a big, big development.

>> that seems to conflict with the obama administration theory. look at eric holder, they wanted to try terrorists in civilian courts here in new york. and they have been pushing and have pushed that for a long time. not doing this as you say. >> right. there are a lot of reasons for president obama to get a new attorney general. this you can add to the list. and i think it does expose the inconsistency in their views of how you handle terrorists. you can't treat them sometimes for law enforcement purposes and other times under the law of war and that's part of the reason that the policy has wandered back and forth so inconsistently and different people in the administration have said different things at different times but if the reporting on this memo is accurate, this was a product of a big inner agency process, everybody had their say, i'm sure there are some compromises and inconsistencies in it but the big picture, as i say is the obama administration here as in some earlier action

endorsing the view of the bush administration that this is a war and not a criminal law matter. >> besides al-awlaki, another american citizen was also killed reportedly in that drone attack. and that's samir kahn. he was raised on long island, w york, believe it or not. moved to charlotte, north carolina with his parents, where out of his house, he ran a jihad magazine called "inspire". so is the message now if you're an american citizen and engaged in jihad, if you support them against this country, of a target on their back? >> i think they're certainly at risk of it. people say, well, he was not specifically targeted. it is a sad fact of warfare that sometimes there is collateral damage. my advice to people like him, don't hang out with murderers, inhumane barbaric terrorists. you're likely to be safer that way and i think it's important to understand this is really not new in the big picture sense.

during world war ii, an american citizen had become an advisor to the nazi high command, remaining an american citizen, he would still be a legitimate target in war. we wouldn't have to serve him with a subpoena first and that was true here as well. >> 30 years ago in the hearings, remember the church committee hearings on the c.i.a. foreign assassinations. that was outlawed, president reagan, 1981 signed the following executive order. prohibition on assassination, no person employed by or engaged with the united states government should conspire to engage in assassination. finally, ambassador, you've been at the highest levels of the administrations. how does this policy change what president reagan wrote and how does the president have the jurisdiction and ability to order what he's ordering? >> well, it doesn't really change it. that effective order goes back to president ford. it's consistently been interpreted as prohibiting the assassination of political

leaders, not legitimate military targets in a time of war, number one. and number two, like any executive order, it can be subsequently amended and indeed amended in a classified section so this is something that's not well understand but i think al-awlaki's killing is far, far away from the executive order. >> all right. ambassador john bolton who says there has been a change of heart somewhat it seems with the administration. ambassador, always good to see you. thank you so much for your insight. >> thank you. >> classified way. fascinating. well, attorney general eric holder is facing tough accusations that he lied under oath about the government's botched now the man that's pointing the finger, congressman darrell issa is sitting down for an exclusive interview on "fox news sunday." what he's saying today. chris wallace will join us and congress is poised to make its first call on the president's jobs bill this week. what are the chances we'll see

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>> eric: it's the first snowfall of the season, if you can believe that or not. it created a nightmare for drivers in colorado.

at least five people are recovering from their injuries this morning after that 10 car pile-up that happened yesterday. it occurred on interstate 25 in denver. the dangerous chain reaction apparently was set off after a bus slammed into the back of a minivan. police are urging drivers there, and this is good advice for all of us as we head into the winter, slow down! when you're driving through a slick road. >> jamie: stay home. ramping up the pressure in the fast & furious investigation, house oversight and government reform committee chairman darrell issa appearing on "fox news sunday" today saying he has key questions for attorney general eric holder regarding that botched gun tracking operation. listen. >> he answered before judiciary committee, myself, jason chavis and others that he didn't know about it until two weeks earlier. that's just disingenuous on its face.

very clearly, he had to know when brian cherry was killed and everybody realized these were fast & furious weapons, he had to know something serious had happened and that's months before he says he knew. >> jamie: and joining me now, the anchor of "fox news sunday" chris wallace. chris, this is the interview folks will be talking about today without a doubt. what else did you learn about what eric holder might have known and what maybe he told or didn't tell that committee? >> well, the important news that chairman issa made and good morning, jamie, is the fact that he is -- chairman issa is issuing a whole new set of subpoenas to the justice department, he wants the communications among top officials, communications between the white house and the justice department, you know, his basic argument is this. the famous exchange between issa and holder was in may of this year, may of 2011 in which issa asked him, when did you first learn about fast & furious? and holder says, i learned about it a couple of weeks ago in the

spring of 2011, there are a series of memos that go back all the way, 10 months earlier, all the way to july of 2010 in which various justice department officials were in memos to the attorney general talking about fast and furious. now, holder maintains that he never saw those memos and to the degree that he was aware of any operation, he thought it was just a normal gunrunning operation to try to track down guns going across the border, not that they were allowing the guns to walk across the border which is, of course, the big problem with operation fast & furious. issa doesn't believe it. he wants more information from the attorney general and, you know, it gets back to the classic watergate question -- what did holder know and when did he know it? >> jamie: he's very interested in what eric holder knew and what the justice department knew. what about what the white house knew? >> that's why he's asking for subpoenas of all information. i don't think at this point he has any evidence that the white house knew but the argument is

when brian terry, this american border patrol agent was found gunned down and there were guns that turned out to have come from operation fast & furious found, two assault weapons, at the scene, shouldn't just the biggest red flag in the world have gone up and the justice department known about it and the white house the entire administration have known about it and i think that's what he's trying to find out. >> jamie: and i know you'll get more answers than most. so we'll look forward to the interview, chris and it is great to see you this morning. thank you so much. >> thank you, jamie. >> jamie: don't miss chris wallace's interview with congressman darrell issa, tune into "fox news sunday" and chris will also talk to presidential candidate and former senator rick santorum. "fox news sunday" airs at 2:00 p.m. and 6:00 p.m. eastern only on fox. >> eric: there's a disturbing story in missouri, the search continuing for a baby there. lisa irwin. now just days after police have accused her parents of not cooperating completely, investigators now have a brand new update, we'll bring you that

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>> jamie: we'll take a look at the quick headlines that fox is following for you right now. the parents of missing baby girl in missouri are once again sitting down with police. investigators said on thursday lisa irwin's parents were no longer cooperating, they did meet yesterday with authorities. the irwins say they simply needed a break from questioning. and thousands of wall street protesters taking their demonstration on the move. they're walking to washington square park for a peaceful rally of protests in the 23rd day. and protesters in germany breaking into the syrian embassy following the death of a kurdish opposition leader. friday's killing sparked international outrage and it drew around 50,000 mourners into

the streets in northeastern syria. it's time now for a sunday house call. with us as always is sunday house call host dr. isadore rosenfeld, the professor of clinical medicine and every sunday he gives us great medical advice. good to see you, as always. >> jamie: good morning, doctor. >> thank you, good morning. >> eric: there's some really interesting medical information this week about men and psa's and prostate cancer. a government panel now advises that healthy men, get this, should no longer get blood tests screening for prostate cancer. they say the blood tests may actually do more harm than good. doctor, as a man, you're always told you have to get the psa test and you have to see if the number jumps up. why is there this sudden change? >> because, the psa indicates

enlargement or documents enlargement of the prostate. you go in for a physical exam, one of the things the doctor does is evaluates the size of the prostate, if there are any growths on it and so on. the psa in my view doesn't add anything unless on the physical exam, the doctor finds there's a suspicious lump or there are other symptoms and so on. i don't think a psa in a perfectly healthy man with no urinary symptoms, needs to have it done. >> and this week actually, even the person, a scientist or doctor who developed the psa test said he thinks it's not always indicated. too many people are getting it. is there a chance of a false positive on this psa? >> there's the chance of a false positive in every chemical test.

i don't know how often it happens but sometimes, some enlargement, benign enlargement of the prostate will raise the psa and you don't want to generate a lot of anxiety. i think in making a decision about the psa, the doctor does the physical exam, sees what the prostate feels like, are there any lumps, nodules, anything suspicious? then he has the test. in a perfectly normal prostate physical exam, i don't see that the psa is needed. >> eric: all right, doctor. >> jamie: and the new guidelines so definitely talk to your doctor about that one. all right, there's a new study that finds people who have advanced cancer are more likely to have low levels of vitamin d. now, doc, i know you believe in vitamin d just about for everybody. cancer patients especially. 4>> i don't know that adding vitamin d in those circumstances makes a difference.

i think it's an observation that has -- doesn't require any kind of intervention. as far as vitamin d is concerned. >> jamie: what can vitamin d do for you? >> i don't think giving somebody that has a high vitamin d special tests are necessary. >> jamie: ok. we're taking it. >> eric: speaking of vitamin d, you know, there's some new research that says people who have pale skin may actually get less vitamin d in the sun. why is that? >> the reason is that somebody has pale skin, they're not out in the sun. and if they're not out in the sun, they get much less vitamin d than somebody who is sun-bathing all the time. so if somebody has got a pale skin, draw vitamin d level, if they're deficient, you give them vitamin d supplements. >> eric: your advice is if you

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iconic gibson guitar. the government is accusing gibson of using illegally imported wood in making the guitars but the organizers say the feds, now they've gone too far. >> our government is supposed to preserve and protect our freedom and have respect for us. they're not supposed to come in the door with guns drawn. that's the problem. that's why everybody is so upset and that's why so many groups supported this effort. >> eric: gibson's ceo says the company has done nothing wrong, that the government is simply in his words, misinterpreting a law which bans the import of illegal wildlife, plants and wood. >> jamie: back now to sunday house call. millions of folks take a daily aspirin to help their risk of heart attack or stroke be reduced. but there was a shocking new study that just came out that suggests when seniors do that, they're twice as likely to suffer vision loss later in life. doctor, i don't know how much

later but aspirin can affect your vision? >> older people are vulnerable to vision loss due to a condition called macular degeneration. now, the aspirin that we recommend to so many people doesn't cause that macular degeneration. but people with this eye condition who take aspirin can cause it to become worse. so the aspirin doesn't give you the macular degeneration but if you have it for whatever reason, taking the aspirin can make it worse. but my advice to you is this. if you're a senior and have heart disease and are taking -- have been prescribed aspirin as part of the treatment, it is more important for you to take the aspirin for the heart condition and not to take it for the eye condition. >> eric: big proponent of baby

aspirin. remember, baby aspirin and fish oil, doctor has always talked about that. something else the doctor does every week, he separates fact from fiction. and this morning, we've got one about ekg's and ecg's. electrocardio grams that if you think it's normal, you know, you think your heart is fine, doctor, is this true or false? >> you know, i thought of discussing this today and the other day somebody walked into my office and described some symptoms that worried me. a little pressure in the chest when walking and so on. and we got the ecg and the ecg was normal. so i said to him, well, i think now, you ought to have a stress test. he said why do i need a stress test? my ecg is normal. the point and the message i want to leave you today is that in my experience, over the last three years, during which i became a

doctor, get it? >> jamie: i got it, doc, you're on a roll. >> i have noticed in many cases, perhaps 80% of people with coronary artery disease had symptoms from it, have a normal electrocardiogram taken at rest. that is why a normal resting electrocardiogram does not mean that you don't have any trouble with your coronary arteries and that's the reason we do a stress test, because in many cases, the stress test, performing a stress test reveals in the tracing the abnormalities that reflect angina, that's narrowing of the arteries so a normal, resting electrocardiogram does not mean that you don't have trouble with your coronary arteries. >> eric: so you suspect anything?

you suggest a stress test. >> yeah, you know, today we have all kinds of ways to evaluate your heart. there's the echo and the other things but specifically, if you have chest pain on exertion and your electrocardiogram at rest is normal, the thing that will most reveal it is a stress test. of course, there's some people who will not have an abnormal stress test and then if the doctor strongly suspects that there's narrowing of the coronary arteries, he or she may recommend an angiogram to actually take a look at the arteries. before you do that, that's an expensive procedure that involves hospitalization, you want to have a stress test and that will, in many cases, in most cases, reveal underlying arterial disease.

and you can evaluate that further as a matter of judgment. >> jamie: that's good information. smarter patients make better outcomes. thanks so much. now, probiotics are common in yogurt these days. a lot of people like you, mom, you've been taking this, you might not think twice about giving foods with good bacteria to your kids, though. question is whether or not those probiotics are safe for children. should we share? >> yeah, i think the probiotics are safe for children. they -- and children sometimes, you know, prevent diarrhea and so on. but they're perfectly safe for children. >> jamie: do they build your immunity? they advertise that they build your immune system. >> i have never tested for that and i don't know the evidence for that. i mean, it's a good test to do. i don't know whether it improves your immune system. you know, the immune system comes into play in so many

circumstances. your kid or you are exposed to somebody with an infectious disease and you don't get it. you say ah-ha, my immune system protected me. so there's no way to test your immune system. >> jamie: ok, doc, thank you. >> eric: a moment ago, the doctor discussed the importance of stress tests when it comes to heart disease. coming up, dr. rosenfeld will tell us about possible link between testosterone and heart disease. plus defiant attorney general eric holder. he's on the defensive saying he never misled congress about the fast & furious gun operation. coming up in the next hour, we'll talk to an idaho congressman about why he's calling for holder to quit! do you have an irregular heartbeat called atrial fibrillation, or afib, that's not caused by a heart valve problem? are you taking warfarin to reduce your risk of stroke caused by a clot?

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>> jamie: a stranded container ship is leaking oil off the coast of new zealand. liberia flagged vessel struck a reef about 12 miles from port and was carrying around 1700 tons of fuel. about 20 to 30 tons already leaking into the pristine waters of the bay of plenty. new zealand's prime minister is saying he wants answers on how the ship managed to strike a well documented reef in calm waters.

>> eric: back now with sunday house call and your host dr. isadore rosenfeld and there's a new study out that shows testosterone may play a key part in dealing with the risks of men that can face heart attacks or other heart disease. it turns out the study shows that older men who have high levels of testosterone may be less likely to suffer a heart attack or a stroke. so doctor, it's good if you're older to have a high level of testosterone. >> you know, this leads -- this gives me an opportunity to discuss something very important. if somebody with a high level of whatever it is we're talking about, testosterone has certain benefits, then taking that substance -- giving that substance to other people won't make a difference. what this study means, that men who naturally have a high level of testosterone are less likely

to suffer a heart attack or stroke. it does not mean that giving testosterone to men reduces their level. it's the fact that their natural body system which produces this testosterone has other effects on your body that result in lower strokes and heart disease. so when you hear this program and eric says hey, men with high levels of testosterone, don't rush to take testosterone because it's only when your body produces it that you have that benefit. >> eric: at least if you get it checked by the doctor, you have a high level. >> you may need testosterone for other reasons but not for that. >> eric: ok, doc. >> jamie: all right. happy for the lucky ones, then. what about cigarette smoking? we know it's harmful. we know the doctors can't stand you if you're smoking but it turns out that they can do more harm to women than men. a brand new study finding that

women who smoke tend to suffer cardiovascular episodes at a younger age as if we needed another reason to stop, doc. >> right. and not only do they develop these vascular problems at a younger age, but they are more -- they're accompanied by more complications. than they are in a man. so you know how i and your doctor and other doctors feel about smoking, this is another reason not to smoke. i mean, it is a -- it is a terrible thing. it's avoidable. and it causes terrible things to your vascular system. >> jamie: not to mention, doc, we showed video of a woman with red lips smoking a cigar. it's not sexy, ladies, eric, you like that? >> eric: that's weird. >> jamie: don't do it. ok. >> eric: we've been talk a lot this morning about heart attacks and strokes and there's new research that says, you know, one way maybe to deal with that is have a banana because bananas

are full of potassium. potassium is something we don't always think about, doctor, i guess potassium is good for your diet and bananas are good for you, huh? >> most fruits and vegetables and legumes contain potassium and people who take adequate amounts of potassium in those food products have a lower risk of stroke and vascular disease. and when you're taking the potassium, make sure that you don't take too much salt and you should limit your salt intake to maybe 1 1/2 teaspoons a day. because the salt can aggravate your vascular problems and raise your blood pressure. >> eric: good point about that. they say maybe, you know, you don't have to salt everything all the time. you get enough in foods and all that. >> go for pepper. >> eric: i like salt.

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>> eric: back with sundayç house call and your host dr. isadore rosenfeld. doctor, what is the tip today? >> you know, i've noticed in my practice that sometimes older people come in and they say i'm very worried, just don't seem to have any memory as i get older. what can i do about it? the first thing thatç is wrong,

they think that also of member very an inevitable part of aging. it is not. it usually a manifestation of depression. and there are ways that you can sharpen your mind. the main thing is not to focus on your age as a reason for your loss of memory. thereç are ways you can do it. speak to your doctor, you can do mental exercises. you will it is reverse able. depression is one of the most important -- born causes of this memory loss. >> thanks doctor, great to see you. see you next weekend. >> see you next sunday.ç >> eric: new developments in the search for a missing baby girl in missouri. she is 10-month-old lisa

irwin. she reportedly disappeared from her crib five daysing ago. the unimaginable nightmare of any parent. her momç and dad someone snatched the baby in the middle of the night. police now say the parents' level of cooperation has changed again. good morning on this sunday morning i'm eric shawn. >> jamie: i'm jamie colby. the authorities hoped they would cooperate again. investigators are saying that lisa irwin's parents are talking to them. officers are combing theç surrounding area pursuing every potential lead. >> just checked the command post. we received over 250 tips and we've chased down the ones that have things that have something to chase down. again i have to state same thing, unfortunately none have produced anything good. >> jamie: julie banderas with

>> still five days, no sign of baby lisa who turns 11 months old this week. the family is again cooperating with police and they met with the parents yesterday. authorities, fbi, kansas city police continuing the search for her, despiteç no leads. after reestablishing cooperation with the parents and meeting with them, armed with metal detectors, crime scene investigators scoured the front and backyard of the home. investigators went into the house to look for any new clues. >> when the metal detectors were here yesterday. theç family today recon sented we are going to try the back -- yard because we haven't. >> detectives knocked on doors, talking to neighbors who might have seen or heard anything. there are reports that police questioned and collected a dna

sample from a teenaged neighbor of the parents friday. authorities aren't commenting on that.ç that neighbor was home the day lisa vanished and knew the access code to the family's . the parents say she was snatched from her crib sometime monday night or early tuesday morning. the mother says she failed a lie detector test. fbi agentsç have searched a nearby landfill, twice, they are not commenting on what led them to search there. the couple also tells police they noticed three cell phones were missing from their home. according to police that hasn't produced any solid leads. a very frustrating investigation in missouri. >> jamie: julie, thank you.ç >> eric: several lawmakers warned it going to be dead on arrival. president obama is not backing down in trying to pass his 450

billion dollar jobs bill. with unemployment remaining at 9.1%, there's the bill that would be considered this week enough to convince the president's opponents it should be passed?ç kirsten powers, jonathan college yo -- and kirsten and johnthon welcome. some senators and others are against this, does it have enough to get through congress? >> i think's the big question. and forth between mcconnell and reid. mcconnell was trying to bring this up for a vote and harry reid was trying to that even throw the president has said please vote on the bill. the reason harry reid has been doing that is because there republicans there are a lot of

democrats who are not completely onç word and probably trying to get their view of the way they think the bill should be. -- you have people like senator manchin who doesn't want any more deficit sending. widen, his ideas for tax reform. i think it is going to be a difficult thing for them to accomplish. >> eric: don't you think the president would get it if some of hisç fellow democrats are against it? >> would he get it? i think it is a very good plan. i think are seeing more is they see this as being the only thing that is going to be happening and they want their ideas into it. the president never sends something up there and it just gets voted on there is always going to be a back and forth. it is the matter of theç president bringing these people around. >> eric: but they are not coming around. shouldn't the president then -- >> it is not an overnight

process. i think it takes time. i don't know he will be able to bring them around. it is not the kind of thing that happens overnight. >> eric: jonathan? >> we have stagnant job creationç the last three years. we see the president doubling down on a estimate laws didn't work in 2009 this time -- on a stimulus that didn't work in 2009. number one, whether they should be raising taxes in a weak economy. second, all of this saber rattling on tax increases by creating a lot of uncertainty and instability in an economy that is -- there's the the two things that are going to hold up this package. >> eric: some democrats are against it, what can break the logjam? >> i think he has to reach across the aisle and look outside of massive taxç increases on small numbers of

people. when he's talking raising taxes on that is -- on the rich that is going to hit business owners trying to determine whether to make stkeurbgss have no idea what their tax rates are going to be, they are going to be less likely to make new hires. we need to look at the regulations, lookç at tax rate, figure out ways to stabilize them. for barack obama, a good jobs policy might to be start by repealing his own policies and regulations. >> eric: what about that kirsten? >> no, it is not true that the stimulus didn't work. it is not true this is a bad jobs bill. different economistsç have come out, moody's said they thought this was a good bill and would probably create to million jobs. this idea that he's raising taxes, it is on a very minority of people, people in

washington may not like it. people whether republicans or democrats tend to support raising taxes on the very wealthy. especially to help pay down theç deficit. i think that it is a solid plan. there's a lot of political issues because we are going into an election year and you have people accuse them of raising taxes unthey say soarly, even though it is -- unnecessarily, even though and most small business people don't -- wouldn't beç affected by this because they don't make over $250,000 a year. >> eric: you have that magic figure, 50% of those people, -- i mean 50% -- they pay 50% of the taxes itch >> the other thing is, when the -- when they were ing that first package in 2009 all projections said if they passedç the stimulus the unemployment rate today would be about 6 1/2%. of course it is over 9%.

so the president doesn't have a lot of credibility on whether these programs will create jobs. he needs to stabilize the tax rates, lower taxes and taking away regulations hanging over the economy that are making employers less willing to invest in new employers. >> eric: it is in the house this week, we'llç see what happens. countries , jonathan, thanks for joining us this morning. --òb >> jamie: new developments this morning in the fast and furious investigation. we are learning the house oversight committee is issuing new subpoenas to find out how much attorney general holder knew about that failed gun running sting. it has already begn linked to the death of a bothered are -- border patrol agent. steve, what are we hearing about that hearing and the future of this investigation? >> reporter: the chairman of the house committee investigating continuing to hammer attorney general hold they are morning. he maintains holder must have

known about the 2,000 weapons that ended up in the wrong hands.ç they were supposed to be tracked. the feds lost track. some ended up at crime scenes, some linked to the killing of border patrol agent brian terry last year many congressman issa saying the attorney general was repeatedly briefed on the program. >> very clearly, he had to know when brian terry was killed, and everyone realized weapons he had to know something serious happened. that's months before he says he knew. if we assume he didn't know, the question is, is he competent? if in fact a border patrol agent has been murdered, 2,000 weapons gone, this program has why didn't he know? >> the program was mentioned in documents, the attorney july of 201010. >> jamie: how about the attorney general, any

reaction? >> reporter: he issued a skating response insisting he told the truth before a house -- panel in may when he said he didn't know about the program until a few weeks earlier. blasted issa without naming saying: >> reporter: holder also says the documents mentioned no problems associated with fast and furious. >> jamie: steve centanni,ç thank you. >> you want to stay tuned. coming up in 20 minutes we talk to idaho congressman, he is going to tell us, he's joined by a choir of voices now calling for the attorney general to resign. he will tell us why he thinks so, coming up. looks like there could be a turning of the tides of sorts in u.s.-pakistanç

relations, maybe for the better. reports say pakistani forces arrested some al-qaeda operatives on behalf of the cia. allowing the united states access to those detainees. the move comes with other major policy shifts as pakistan stop demanding cia suspend covert drone strikes in the past pakistan has refused to conduct any joino@ f operations with the u.s. because of that. the u.s. raided and killed bin laden in his compound relations went further south. >> jamie: the war in afghanistan we are marking 10 years. how is our strategy working? will it bring the country under control before most of our troops withdraw in 2014?ç joining us retired four star general jack king good morning. >> good morning. >> jamie: counter insurgency has been the way we've gone. is it still the right

strategy? y# mor? >> it is the right strapbl . we haven't had it in play until the president!qnnounced the surge forces. in the last 18 months we've had enormous success in the south. for the viewing audience when we say counter insurgency, this was about killing taliban in very large numbers some of the toughest infantry fighting we've ever faced. we own the birthplace of the taliban now. that's their center of gravity. they tried all summer to come back and they've failed. there's better quality of life there for the people. kids are going to school. >> jamie: i wanted to ask you about that. here's some numbers i've pulled. they say 8 o afgns w have access to hltserves mped to 9% 200 and thnuerof childre in school has rocketed fráp barely a milln a dede ago,

5,000irls, to sev llion d can westal acmplish thmiio >> jamie: we know mnyf th taliban have gone into pakistan, it is tenuous the cooperation pakisn. ato you ma of tid general mcrystal's cments that said we had a friteni

silistic viewf afghanistanx aid we didn't know enough when we went in and still don't, do you agree? >> i any we've learned rather significantly. look, when we took the taliban down this month, 10 years ago. that was done with relative ease. he were probably a little intoxicated with it, to be frank. we pulled away, stood up karzai as theç political leader in charge. we did not grow the afghan security forces in any size and focused on iraq. therefore, afghanistan had been on a diet all these years. until, the president's decision to commit the surge forces to afghanistan. we brought the force level up to the appropriate level we need. we've learned aç -- a lot and made dramatic progress. >> jamie: you said casualties will increase that america needs to be prepared. in the end will it all have

been worth it? >> absolutely, we need a stable, secure afghanistan. for the region and also for its impact on pakistan, which is a country of strategic consequence to us. very large country,ç nuclear we need bases in afghanistan to continue to deal with al-qaeda inside of pakistan. >> jamie: with the cia involved? >> very much so. >> jamie: it has been said they should remain. general, thank you. we always thank you for yourselves too. >> eric: starting a smallq:"t zy seem almost impossible now. for any strong willed executive who wants to give it a go we have expert advice on how you can help your business. >> new subpoenas in the fast and furious investigation as the list of lawmakers calling for attorney general wholer to go, keeps growing -- ericç holder to go, keeps growing.

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police say that battle erupted outside of wal-mart with the alleged attacker following the victim in the store. several people were treated for injuries. it is unclear what sparked the . police say the two women are acquainted and they may have been involved in what they suspect is a possible love triangle.ç that's too complicated that story, wow! how about starting a business? if you lost your job and you want to start i we wanted to help you out in today's take charge consumer protection segment. it is a tough economy now. we don't want you to make any mistakes. let'sç talk about how to start your business and keep eight threat. special guest today small business owner himself, gene marks. i know you say pick something you love, don't just do it because you think it will work. but there are pitfalls if you

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fantastic, rick sloan, he has put together entrepreneurs and experts they run forums, communities, all sorts of question and answer places where small business owners can get all their questions answered. they have papers and resources to help understand theç ins and outs of getting a business going. >> jamie: once in, you need capital, you need cash, what are the don'ts in terms of getting your business funded and getting it advertised and on the road? >> well, the big thing you have to keep in mind is, conserving cash. don't spend cash if you don't need to. try and take advantage of everything that you canç for the least cost as possible. sounds obvious. but people sometimes get a little capital and spend it unnecessarily. a good start-up person is a penny pincher. plenty of technologies help a start-up get up and running for cheap. a lot of people work out of

their homes. you can run your accounting on online 9:00 or $10 a month. you can have a phone system for yourself and one or two helping, one made by grass hopper.com, i'm not getting paid to endorse these people i just know them because they are out there when you have a virtual phone system youç a about $10 a month. you don't have to spend a lot on capital to get up and running. >> jamie: i know you are trying to promote things that can help but did ask for specifics. one thing you say make sure your family is okay with you being an entrepreneur. what if they say no. buqijuáu are out of a job and you really want if give it a try? >> it is a family decision. when i started my business, i left nine years working for a

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. >> eric: we are now learning new subpoenas are being issued in the fast and furious investigation find how the how much attorney general holder did know about that failed he's caused of not being forthcoming about when he was informed of that information. now he's facing a growing chorus of republican lawmakers calling for his resignation. one joins us now republican freshman from idaho, congressman raul labrador. welcome to fox news on in sunday morning.

>> good morning eric. >> eric: good to have you. what do you know about the newç subpoenas? what are they looking for? what does the committee suspect? >> what we are trying to find is what he knew and when. he came to congress and testified before the judiciary committee he didn't know anything until a couple weeks before his testimony. we have five documents that are telling us that he knew something close to a year before his testimony before congress. the question is,ç what exactly eric holder was hiding? was he incompetent or lying to congress? those are the questions we are asking. >> eric: do you think the attorney general of the united states, highest law enforcement officer of this land, lied? >> i think it is a possibility that's what i said in my statement. he was either lying or grossly incompetent. i understandç that he had a lot of documents on his desk. i understand that i be he didn't pay attention to the

situation when it went by his desk. the question is, he knew he was going to testify before congress. he knew he was going to be asked questions about this program. we had a border patrol agent brian terry who died. he should have taken the rq#tbj5r!ility to find out as much as he could about this program before he testified. you had the chairman of the committee ask him questions about his knowledge about this issue. and he told them he didn't know big until a couple weeks before his testimony. >> eric: he sent this five-page litter to the committee and others saying he gets aç lot of documents, he didn't see memos. here's a quote from this letter from the attorney general who says: "my testimony was truthful and accurate. i have no recollection of knowing about fast and fewer tkwus or of hearing is name prior to the public controversy about it, prior toq0 early 2011, i never knew about the tactics employed in the

operation."ç do you think that's acceptable that the attorney general wouldn't know anything about this as he claims? >> it think it is acceptable to understands that a person at the level of attorney general, a business owner has a lot of documents go across his desk. i don't have any problem with him not doing when it came across his desk. he wasç going to testify and he knew he was going to be asked questions about fast and furious. by o'by that time officer terry had been killed, -- there were other crimes linked to these guns. why did he to not do the research and find out how much his office knew. he was either lying or willfully nexting to do his due diligence before heç came before congress. >> eric: you just mentioned brian terry. let me fill in folks a i had -- a hero if there ever was one. an officer murdered in

december on the border. two assault weapons traced back to fast and furious found near him. his family when they testified, said we hope all the individuals involved in brian's murder and those that playe@ç a role in putting the assault weapons in his hands are found and prosecuted. do you think when the terry family says all those involved in putting the assault weapons in his hands, the suspects, could be claiming others besides the drug cartels involved? >> absolutely. we need to know at the government level, who knew what theyç knew and when? we need to know whether at the atf level, higher level at the attorney general's office or whether it within to the top of the administration and the president's -- it went to the top of the administration and the president's office. the terry family deserves a full investigation. not only brian terry, there was a person who worked forç the dealt of state in mexico

who died because of -- department of state in mexico who died because of these crimes. we have thousands of guns that were walked to mexico. i think it was an irresponsible program. i think whoever came up with this program needs to be fired. anybody who failed to do their duty, because of this program, needs to be fired as well.ç >> eric: about 2,000 guns they said the intent was to trace them to get to the criminals. [ unintelligible ] congressman raul labrador, thank you for joining us. subpoenas, just going out. we'll stay on it here. thank you for joining us this morning. >> thank you earring.kpú3 >> jamie: -- surveillance cameras are a common cool in modern police work. what happens when police are able to monitor public and private cameras as well? that's the atlanta. it is raising eyebrows.

elizabeth what is law enforcement trying to accomplish with this and what is the backlash? >> reporter: hi. lawç enforcement are trying to offset limited manpower just have that extra set of eyes and ears major cities like atlanta, chicago, boston, even new york, -- are starting to utilize these video integration systems networks with public and private cameras that feed into one location, monitored 24 hours a day by police. atlanta is the most recentç to open one of these centers, dubbed operation shield. by the end of the year police chief foundation ceo dave wilkinson tells us they expect to have thousands of cameras accessible to police at any given moment. >> they almost immediately could identify the suspects, the vehicle description and quickly get that information out to the officers that areç responding to the scene. >> reporter: the launch of the program costs around 3.2

million dollars, funded by federal agencies as well as private donations. >> jamie: besides not liking it what are critics saying and can they do anything? >> reporter: the aclu is saying, if you aren't doing anything where police suspect you of economying aç crime they shouldn't be monitoring you. we have a statement from the aclu in america we don't allow authorities to watch over everything we do just in case we might do something wrong that runs against our nation's oldest traditions of privacy. the government isn't supposed to look over your shoulder unless it has specific information that you are involved in wrongdoing. involved in wrongdoing. , as the systems continue to get more inexpensive we can expect to see these systems across the nation. >> jamie: elizabeth, thanks. >> eric: consumers usually spend more around the holidays. new numbers suggest, sales

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>> jamie: coming up live in washington a group of arizona sheriffs demanding answers from attorney general holder on fast and furious. one calling for him to resign or be fired, joins us live. >> plus an atheist group suing for signs to be taken down in youtube. that state's attorney general will be with us to talk about what the supreme court may do with that case.ç >> members of congress from both sides of the aisle join us to talk about their dismal approval rating. and the president's jobs bill. we'll see you at the top of the hour. . >> jamie: u.s. consumers are

likely spending more ahead of the holidays this year. projected numbers for september areç up .7%. might not sound like a lot but good news for retailers. is it a temporary trend or can we peck this to last through the shopping season? brenda buttner, this could be good for retailers. is it just a trend? >> it is a trend because it was based on deep, deep discounting.ç although we are seeing some retailers starting to hire for the holiday season, macy's and khol's taking on new workers now, the question is how much are they going to have to cut to people into the malls? right now even in the malls, there's huge vacancy rates. the stores have closed and they'vmú'ot opened up again. the national retail federation is expected only 2.8% growth

in sales compared to 5.2% last year. the luxury sellers, they are doing amazingly, saks, nordstroms, tiffany's, all doing well. target did wellç on the other end of the spectrum. it is hard to know how much we are going to have to we've got the housing slump, unemployment and the economy isn't doing well. the big question is all retailers' minds is, when are we going to have to cut and by how much? >> jamie: and buy fromç whom? i read in research they are going to be buying more from other countries rather than buying goods that they could get here that could mean less jobs mean if the stores themselves are hiring. >> exactly. they may be importing quite a bit from china and the rest. it is all right now a big

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>> jamie: vending machines and healthy eating. those words rarely appear in theç same sentence. one california company is changing that. offering fresh fruit to soy milk. i even heard something about salads. casey stegall with more. tell us about the machines, casey. >> reporter: one company has rolled out more than 600 of these healthy vending months around the country with more on the way. they in places likerr!schools, gymnactsh centers even some workplaces. check them out, pretty high-tech with refridge to keep things like fruits and veggies cool in lieu of fatty potato chips and other unhealthy snacks. >> i think it is the way of the vending machine.

i think it is the way of what we should be doing. i think by offering this their products, so it is a movement. >> reporter: especially when you consider the obesity rates in this country are skyrocketing. 17% of american kids are considered obese, according to the cdc. some calling it an epidemic. childhood obesity rates haveç almost tripled since 1980. can you believe that? more than half of all middle sugary drinks and junk -- continue selling sugar drinks and junk foods. some see this has a nice place to start when it comes tô getting our young people back on track and healthy. >> jamie: thanks casey.l.+ç another republican straw poll in weekend.

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. >> eric: the occupy wall streetç protesters keep spreading across the country. how is the media treating the gaggle and what is next? liz trotta joins us as she does every sun day her

commentary. how is the media treating this? >> as of this morning they were still arguing about what it really means.ç some of our competition in the cable scene are talking about how, why is the right jumping to say this is a left wing demonstration? that's funny seems like most of the things they are talking about could be classified as left wing. the things you don't hear is the things that i find interesting. that is, you hear nothing about being against obama,ç who really has to take some responsibility for some of the things they don't like. you don't hear anything about the war. which as the single item in the budget probably spends more money than any other thing they are angry about. it is a very peculiar demonstration. it is not like the ones in the 60s that had a passion. most of it devoted to not beingç drafted. which might be a good idea for

these people. it may be if we bring back the draft, this will be solved. nobody has mentioned the draft in any of the pieces that i've read or any of the programs that i've watched. let me give you an idea of the kind of thing that's kind of analysis that is being employed by the press. this one from ourç favorite "the new york times."p'lxo- the columnist says i tweeted that the protests reminded me of tahrir square in cairo, that raised eyebrows. true no bullets are whizing around and the movement won't unseat any dictators. but there's the sameç cohort of alienated young people. a similar tide of youthful frustration with the political and economic system that protesters regard as broken, corrupt, unresponsive and unaccountable. it did raise eyebrows, he

compared it to tahrir square. one explanation i would offer in hisç dissent is that his skill is foreign affairs so he can't help but see what is going on, on wall street as another incarnation of the arab spring. terribly wrong we don't know if the arab spring really is an arab spring and that's reaching far to find out what is going on with our own problems.ç >> eric: the situation they are talking about, unemployment, 14 million out of work and continues. your company is going down the tubes and you are a ceo you have a huge golden parachute. these are some of the issues they are talking about. >> yeah. i think some of the people in these mobs, are peopleç who are out of work or against the fact and outraged at the fact that unemployment is horrific.

but, one is tempted to ask the question, why aren't they out looking for jobs? it seems if you are unemployed, would you spend every moment of your unemployment trying to get employed. there's a certain amountç of shall i say sophomoric reasoning. listen to this, there was one blogger, by the way they are all over the place on this one. every night is like a blow-out bash, you organize in college after everyone has gone home or passed out, you sit on the top of the dorm with close friends, too excited to sleep, but sit around in small groups and chat. over get over it and grow up! do something about what is happening in this country. sitting around on wall street making terrible signs is not going to do it.

republicans -- the democrats are going to beç fighting over whose movement is this really? it is -- they would like to say it is the left wing's tea party, of course the right is not going to accept that. that's another part of the discussion. everybody wants to be responsible for this movement. i would add again, this very -- there's little call to let's try to get employed to the pa(&e out there sitting around until well past midnight. >> eric: briefly, they would say they are out there by doing something. and also their websites say they are protesting for an american revolution. do you think -- >> that's left wing rhetoric. it is interesting. they always talk about the system, the system. shades ofç pseudo socialism. are we back to that kind of sophomoric level now that we are talking about changing the system? we can certainly change s