entertaining. hook your ll. "fox & friends" starts right now. >> now, i've known golfers who are real sharks but those are real sharks at the golf course. >> i would think maybe it's a greg norman golf course. >> i was going to say that. >> he's like i want to add some excitement to the golf course. >> we have details coming up. >> very secretive. clayton in for brian today. >> nice to see you guys. >> happy columbus day to you and all of you. >> and welcome. if you're not -- if you're off today, enjoy your sleeping. >> yeah, go back to bed. >> all right. we want to get to your headlines for this monday. a night of violence in egypt, unfortunately, 24 people have died. >> 200 other people hurt when christians faced off against the egyptian army. the christians outraged about an attack on a church by muslim

radicals. demonstrators set cars on fire, threw rocks at military police. the police responded by plowing into the crowd. this military truck. this is the first photo of the convicted shoe bomber at the super max prison in colorado. richard reed is serving a life sentence for trying to light a fuse on his shoe and blow up a plane back in 2001. he's the reason you have to take off shoes before boarding planes. he's now threatening to starve himself to death behind bars. looks pretty well fed. the full slate of republican presidential hopefuls bracing for a big week in new hampshire, tomorrow, they'll participate in a debate at dartmouth college focusing on the economy. new polls suggest that mitt romney is the likely favorite of voters in that state. new hampshire now three months away from holding the first primary in the united states. here's that shark story for you now, golfers in australia have more to worry about than just their swing. they have to worry about those things in the water, killer sharks. members of a golf club in

brisbane are playing on the first shark infested course. half a dozen sharks live in the center of the course. >> it's eerie. >> a river broke its banks a few years ago flooding the course with water and the sharks. and the sharks got stranded when the water receded. >> you know what i used to do as a kid to raise money, i'd go to the golf course and go through the water channels and get all the golf balls and sell them back to the golfers. not there. >> no, i won't be doing that. >> meanwhile, now that we got the headlines, let's talk about this. you've heard a lot about fast & furious, that ill conceived program to walk the guns across the mexican border and we're going to track them, right? we didn't track them. now, apparently, it's been revealed that 40 high powered assault weapons have been found in the home of the most powerful drug cartel in the world located in juarez across the border with

texas. jose murufo, the guy that heads that up had 40 of these things in his home, directly connected to fast & furious. >> these guns walked across the border and they were told sell them to those with shady characters. these things are going to go across the border and we'll track them. one of the leading drug cartels down there and darrell issa who heads up the house oversight and government reform committee planning now to subpoena attorney general eric holder and said this on "fox news sunday" yesterday and getting more answers. what did the government know? when did they know it? why when they knew it, did they not stop it? let's listen in. >> the justice department oversaw a program that let weapons walk into the hands of the worst of the worst drug cartels. we now have enough information to know they did it deliberately, they did it with knowledge of who was receiving

it. now we want to know more about who authorized it and why. >> the big question for the attorney general eric holder is apparently he gave a speech outlining this program back in 2009 so people are saying, ok, he knew about the program but then when he testified recently in the last six weeks, he said he only found out about it a few weeks ago. which one is it? which story is the one? and keep in mind now that if he subpoenas eric holder, my question is can the attorney general take the fifth? does he actually have to answer questions? we've seen other people come before congressional committees like this and they don't have to answer the questions. >> can you imagine the attorney general and peter johnson jr. will be up a little bit later, can he plead the fifth? >> technically, he could but it will be politically harry caray. >> you remember how everybody was slammed the last time someone pled the fifth. at issue is those five memos. when he testified in may, he said at that point, he didn't know about the fast & furious program. now we know a year prior, those

five memos hit his desk, those heavily redacted all blacked out papers and it said specifically what this program did. whether or not he was incompetent and didn't read it and said we get hundreds of these a week. do we read them or is anybody incompetent? >> there's a congressman from idaho and he says essentially that, i can understand a guy in his position, he might not read all the documents but he was going to testify before congress so you would think he would get brushed up on it. so if he did not truly know about it until the last couple of weeks ago, he says that he's either being dishonest or he's incompetent. >> all right. we'll keep you posted on fast and furious. in the meantime, the other big story that continued to happen, remember occupy wall street? it was supposed to be a 24-hour protest. we're in fourth week now and it's continuing to spread to other cities across the country. the latest place where these people will be protesting now is at dartmouth college in new hampshire where the g.o.p. debate will happen tomorrow night.

apparently, a student organization there called students stand with staff, they are with -- they have ties with the service employees international union seiu, and they are in favor, part of their mission is to save and protect the jobs of union workers. and so now, they're going to be protesting at the g.o.p. debate. >> guys, it sort of strikes me that a lot of these groups now try to co-opt the occupy wall street movement saying you know what? this sorted of -- this is going to get us more notoriety now so we know on tuesday, the g.o.p. debate will be here on campus, let's sort of align ourselves now with this occupy wall street movement. they're coming to campus and we're going to defend the union staff members here, it's a pro union, pro labor group who have been arguing over recent cuts at dartmouth college. >> exactly right. meanwhile, remember about a week ago, 700 people got arrested because they tried to illegally cross the brooklyn bridge. well, the hacker group known as anonymous which is brought to its knees visa and mastercard and other things as well with these denial of services bombing

on the internet, apparently later on today, this is good news, they're going to attack the new york stock exchange. now, we don't know whether or not they have figured a way into actually disrupt trading or it could be the web site. apparently, according to the department of homeland security, they have tried to contact some disgruntled employees that used to work there to try to figure a way inside. so far, our government says doesn't look like they made it. >> yeah and one of the things -- you brought up a great point. it's the web site. new york stock exchange.com so trading doesn't flow through that web site. it's press releases from companies that they put up there. it's still illegal. whether they have the infrastructure to get in and do more insidious things is the big problem. >> both sides were speaking out on these protests yesterday. first, we have herman cain, of course, who is running for president. paul ryan who runs the budget committee and then nancy pelosi,

they all have sort of different points of view. listen to this. >> and to be angry at somebody because they're successful is anti-american in my opinion. secondly, this is a distraction from the failed policies of the obama administration. why be mad you don't have a job at the bankers in wall street? they're the ones that have created the jobs. >> i don't worry about people who are already rich. i'm worried about getting people to become successful, removing those barriers so people who have never heard success before become successful. when you raise all the tax rates and all the regulatory barriers on successful small businesses, how are we going to get the jobs of tomorrow? this redistribution idea of pitting people against each other does not work, it's divisive and it hardly gives us the kind of attitude we want for businesses to take risks so they can succeed in the future. >> support the message to the

establishment whether it's wall street or the political establishment and the rest that change has to happen. >> let me get this straight, when she was speaker of the house, couldn't she have done something to make change happen? >> well, she also criticized, of course, the tea party movement. some are saying hypocrisy and the left is saying there's hypocrisy on the right. eric cantor coming out slamming the anti-wall street group. there's enough talk going around in washington this morning. >> we want to give the flavor of some of the people down in this particular location at least here on wall street. let's take a look at some of the pictures. do we have the pictures of first of all dave, this guy right here is apparently a fugitive. he's wanted for burglary. warrants are out for his arrest but he says he found out that hiding out at this protest would be a great place to not be found and at the same time, he goes on to say that he's just -- he needs some methadone every day, he wakes up. i've been smoking and drinking in here for eight days now. so this is kind of the life, i

guess, for people who are wanted on burglary charges, just hide out at occupy wall street. >> apparently, there's plenty of drugs down there. "new york post" reporter was offered pot for $15 and heroin for $10. meanwhile, let's introduce you to a 30-year-old guy from washington, d.c., his name is ryan clayton, and there you can see he's showing the crowd how to pick a set of handcuffs with a bobby pin. he said now, i'm just showing them how to do it. if you're actually detained, you should not do that. that would be illegal. >> most important thing about the picture to me is that cherub face to that child there. a lot of activists are bringing their children to these events and they're camping out with them. leave up it to you what you think about that. >> silver lining is the kid learns how to be a magician. >> exactly right. according to "the post" today, interesting thing, number one reason the crowd is growing, number one reason people are going to this thing, the food. there is free food for everybody. >> pizza is arriving. >> people can send them pizzas.

>> there's a kid by the name of cameron. people say they're here for the cause but the real reason is the free food. on the third day, they had smoked salmon with cream cheese. >> and bagels? >> you know how much that is? it's $16 a pound. i'm eating better here with the protesters than i do with my parents. >> we have some fruit loops in the green room. >> they're gone! >> they're gone? >> occupy midtown just cleaned us out. >> we'll continue to debate this throughout the show. straight ahead, a golf course turns into a dog and pony show when a fan tries to assault tiger woods. >> then remember what happened when we bailed out the banks? stuart varney is up next with the european plan to do the same. european plan? but this time, it might mean good news for the u.s. of a. >> maybe. >> good day. >> greetings. >> i like the european plan for breakfast. [ male announcer ] what can you do with plain white rice?

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>> welcome back, everyone. 15 minutes after the top of the hour. france and germany have set themselves a deadline now. come up with a plan to save the euro zone by the end of october. that's 20 days from now. >> now, some are saying the signs are pointing to a bailout like the one used to rescue financial institutions here in the united states, tarp, but what would a euro bailout mean for our money? >> staurt varney is here to break it all down. host of "varney & company" on the fox business network. what does this mean for our money? is the trickle down effect from what's going on in greece, germany comes in, france comes in to bail out greece. do we feel it here? >> at first, it's good news for us and wall street will go up first thing this morning because of this possible bailout in europe. here's the backdrop. the greeks can't pay. the germans won't bail them out.

if they don't bail them out, the banks go under. everybody knows that would be really bad news in europe. so the germans and the french have now agreed, we'll come up with an american-style tarp, a bailout, by the end of this month. >> right. >> so they say. >> when will that be? >> that will be either all german or german and french or german and french and plus some north european. >> isn't that a penalty on germany? germany is the most successful nation arguably in europe. >> yes, how are german voters going to understand to andrea merkel giving away their money, giving it to greeks who don't pay their taxes and who have lied about their finances and got us into this mess in the first place. >> they will be furious. they lived within their means and made a lot of money and now they got to bail out greece where they don't pay a lot of taxes and they, you know, a lot of people are on the dole. >> a german official this morning are saying the greeks will only be able to pay maybe $0.50 on the dollar.

in other words, $200 billion of what they borrowed, that's the size of their economy cannot be repaid. >> will there be fine print in the euro tarp just like there wasn't in the american one? so, for example, we gave all this money to the banks and there was no fine print as to how they should spend the money and people have complained about that. that they didn't lend like they were supposed to. will there be fine print in this that says that greece has to make changes so that they can continue to flourish? >> i think you're jumping the gun because they haven't got a tarp agreement in europe yet. they say they're going to get one but they haven't gotten one yet. it's a promise to deliver in 20 days. we have no clue what's going to be in that agreement if there is an agreement. so talk about fine print, it's very premature at this point. >> it just strikes me as incredibly odd that, again, this sort of bad behavior, the ridiculouslessness with which these banks conduct themselves over that. then we're rewarding them again. is it going to happen again? >> i wouldn't place the blame that much on the banks.

i place the blame on governments which have consistently provided all kinds of social services, pension and health and welfare benefits which they could not pay for, it's true of italy, spain, greece, portugal. >> that's why the fine print is so important even if it's premature because why would germany risk giving their money that their citizens have worked hard for unless greece is going to change? >> absolutely. well, look, greece has already been forced to retract its economy. it shrunk by about 10% in the last two or three years. there is enormous hardship in greece. how can they repay $400 billion worth of loans when they're in a chronic recession? how can they do that? look, here's the bottom line. europe will not escape without enormous pain and that pain is going to be spread around for the germans to the spanish to the french, the italians, the greeks, the portuguese, you name it. it's going to be very painful. europe is in for a recession and a bad one and it's started

alrea already. >> that euro is a genius idea. thank you very much for joining us live. we'll be watching his show exactly three hours from right now on fox business. thanks. moving on for this monday -- >> he's jerry seinfeld's best buddy and even funnier and this morning, comedian george wallace says he can fix the budget without any layoffs at all. and we guarantee you're going to like his plan. >> there he is. i love his hat. and the g.o.p. pushes forward with an investigation into fast & furious scandal. will the attorney general cave to pressure? will eric holder step down? that debate coming up next. [ female announcer ] introducing new pronutrients from centrum. omega-3s go beyond heart health. probiotics go beyond digestive balance. and fruit & veggie has antioxidant properties.

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>> couple quick headlines for you today on this holiday, it's columbus day. that means federal offices are closed today as are many state and city offices as well as public schools and courts. there's no u.s. mail delivery and many banks are closed but the stock markets are open. and we're open here at fox. and a small tornado does big damage in san antonio, texas, destroying several homes, knocking out power and tossing u.s. postal trucks around like toys. there were no serious injuries. i was just there over the weekend, clayton. back to you. >> thanks so much. congressman darrell issa saying attorney general eric holder will be subpoenaed this week in connection with that fast & furious investigation. holder denying he knew about the failed program before 2011. congressman issa doesn't buy it. >> if we assume for a moment he didn't know, the question is he competent if in fact a border

patrol agent has been murdered and 2,000 weapons have gone and this program has completely gone off the rails, why didn't he know? >> our washington insiders are here this morning, democratic pollster and strategist, former spokesman for the white house drug control policy and angela mcglowan. all right, robert, defend eric holder here. you heard congressman issa's comments that he could be incompetent. how in the world would he not know if these five memos hit his desk in 2010? >> clayton, we got to get past the politics on this. you know, there was an operation wide receiver by the same phoenix operation in 2006 and 2007 which did the same thing, hundreds of guns to mexico with the same bad tracking devices. so if you're going to subpoena holder, also you have to subpoena ashcroft and the bush administration, ask them both the same question, how could you have this operation? but there's an answer as to why they both tried. 300 cities are suffering now from four mexican cartels with

violence, with smuggling, with drugs that are coming up from the number one supplier in the world to the united states, mexico. you have to do something. and if you were the attorney general of the united states, you've got to take action. general mccaffrey and general scales just came out with a report and they've asked that the border personnel be doubled, more than doubled from 18,000 to 45,000 people and that fencing be increased. >> ok. >> you got to take action. >> you say politics is at play here. does it come back to competence? if you get these if i have memos on your desk, how do you know what's coming down? >> it comes down to competence. how can eric holder say he did not know about this program when he talked about it in his speech in 2009 number one. number two, i disagree with my colleague that we need to subpoena ashcroft and people from the bush administration. if this did happen in the bush administration, why would you do it again if it was a failure in the bush administration? that has nothing to do with what's going on now. >> that's an interesting point.

had he learned about the program and knew about this program, why did it not stop? that's the other question that darrell issa wants to know. if you know about it, why didn't it stop? >> well, i believe because it was in the bush administration under ashcroft it was a precedented program so atf continued it. the people of atf have been fired and there's been replacements. it was a stupid program. stupid to the point where the batteries didn't even work so what are you tracking? >> should eric holder resign? >> i don't think that he should resign. i think that what we should do is let darrell issa's committee do the investigation and if the attorney general did lie in testifying before congress, yes, he should resign and you know what, clayton liberals are saying, in essence, this is a g.o.p. conspiracy. you have 15 law officials in arizona, they're calling for eric holder to resign. >> we had them on the show this weekend affirming those same

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cake alchemy for our 15th anniversary program and we want you to know it was delicious, fantastic. very nice and you can see the bosses as well. mr. murdoch and mr. ailes. it was a big day here on "fox & friends." >> it was and it fed a lot of people. thanks very much. let's do some headlines this morning. >> yep. here are the headlines. the parents of missing missouri baby lisa irwin now hoping a reward fund they're creating will encourage new tips in the case. family members took advantage of crowds at a nascar race in kansas city and handed out flyers in an effort to locate the 10-month-old. over the weekend, detectives spent time re-creating the alleged kidnapping scene at baby lisa's home. she was reportedly snatched from her crib last week. police still don't have a suspect. >> a firefighters charity event transformed into tragedy at the chicago marathon. he raised more than $2,000 for burn victims but the veteran

father of two young kids never made it to the finish line. he collapsed and died with 500 yards to go. an autopsy is planned for today. >> and seven boaters including a 4-year-old girl rescued after treading water for 20 hours, they weren't wearing their life vest when the boat sank off the florida keys, an 80-year-old woman did not survive. the cause of the accident is being investigated. >> it was a dark day for tiger woods. the golfer almost gets clubbed with a hot dog while trying to putt. it happened during the final round. wiener didn't get close and the thrower was busted. >> i don't know how he tried to throw it but i was kind of focusing on my putt when he started yelling and next thing i know, he laid on the ground and looked like he wanted to be arrested really because he laid on the ground, put his hands behind his back and turned his head. >> the video of the incident wasn't made available. this is what it probably would have looked like. >> yeah. >> that's something. >> meanwhile, for years, we thought george costanza was

george's best friend. another george plays that role, we're talking about comedian george wallace. >> he's best known for his long running i be thinking show in vegas. we'll tell you what he's been thinking about, the stories that are making news this morning. good morning. >> bon jour, good morning. you can watch the news and get jokes. look at tiger woods, see, someone throwing a hot dog at him. i knew something was wrong with tiger three years ago, making millions of dollars and driving a buick. i know what's good for tiger. you know what i want to bring back to las vegas where it all started. nice hotels and get him a big suite and want to get him 12 good hookers, best hookers in las vegas. get him back in his old routine. >> because he's off his game right now. >> he's off his game. the next day he will hit that ball -- >> that's very charitable of you. >> that's the whole point of your show. you're at the flamingo in vegas. >> i'm the best person you have ever met, i went to las vegas for 20 days. i was doing radio here in new york city at the station, 105.1

and i went out there for 30 days and since i knew marketing very well, i'm into my -- i said i know marketing, you may not know this but i was vice president of the world's largest outdoor advertising agency. everything you see at times square, i used to sell that. >> started in advertising. >> didn't you work at firestone before that? >> don't you ever touch me again! i worked at firestone and believe it or not, that was in akron, ohio which is now bridgestone/firestone la bridgestone/firestone. i was just there last night, i was there, went back to my alma mater and headlined the show there at the university of akron and it was very nice. >> you know business well, you're in outdoor marketing for a long time. what do you think about these occupy wall street protesters? sort of protesting a lot of the big corporations and stuff. >> let me tell you something, young man, i think there's a lot of young people out there, right? i tend to go along with anything young people do any time they protest, they're usually in the

long run usually right. they protested against the war and a lot of things like that. i don't know whether i'm liberal or what but i think when companies make a lot of money like a lot of money, let's say like one of the oil companies like a quarter billion dollars in a quarter, it would be ok to back to the hand that fed you. if i made $100,000 off you, it would be nice to give back to you. >> jerry seinfeld made about $40 million, should he share that with you? >> we made an agreement and did a tv show the other day when we were kids we started out and made an agreement, whoever made the first million dollars, the other one would get half of it so he wrote me a check and i presented the check last week in front of his wife. i said you remember when you wrote this? anderson cooper read it. half of everything i own to george wallace. >> did it bounce? >> i'm going to try to keep it. i like giving back. i want to be like oprah. you ever notice oprah always gives and has more. i want to be a rich black lady like oprah. >> well, let's -- >> good luck on that.

>> let's listen to another african-american guy, he wants to be president of the united states, too, this is herman cain on his thoughts of protest wall street. >> my parents, they never played the victim card. my parents never said that we hope that the rich people lose something so we can get something. no. my dad's idea was i want to work hard enough so i can buy a cadillac, not take somebody else's. >> does he have a point? >> he does have a point. he's from atlanta like i am and he's probably been my age. herman cain, i love you and there's absolutely nothing you can do about it, your friends at your age, a loaf of bread was $0.16 back in the day, your parents didn't have to wish for anything. >> what do you think about his 999 plan? the -- >> you know what i think about the 999 plan and i called godfather's pizza the other day and it's supposed to be nine toppings, nine bread sticks, nine sodas and they didn't know anything about it. >> you like the idea, though, of a flat tax, a fair tax? >> trust me, i love a flat tax.

i should pay the same thing you pay. no matter how much money you make. think of how much money the taxes would be paid there that we could balance the budget with that. those people making less than $30,000 have a different level. start at 15% and go up to 17%. i understand everybody would be -- the country would be in good shape. i think that would be cool. everybody pays the same thing, you, me, we wouldn't have to look for the loopholes. i'm one of those guys, i make a lot of money. i probably don't make as much as you. >> don't be so sure. >> oh, this is fox, you're right. i make more than you. but i don't mind -- i would love to pay 17% if everybody paid the same thing, corporations. i like that part of herman cain, 9% for corporations, 9% for personal income tax. i like that. i think we all should pay the same thing. it would be good. >> you seem to have a lot of ideas about a lot of stuff. some people need to get their butts kicked quite frankly. >> so many people need their butts kicked. a fireman told me the other day, he told me if my house catch fire and i can't get out, go in the bathroom and fill the tub

with water and get in there, that should help. let me tell everybody watching this morning, if your house catch fire and you can't get out and you go in that bathroom and fill that tub with water and you get in there, you might as well throw in a couple of carrots and an onion. bay leaf. you got that right. >> the tsa, you do a lot of traveling and as a comedian, you're on the road nonstop. >> when i leave here today, i'm going to the airport. i have no intentions of going anywhere. they have the new patdown thing, i like for somebody to touch me. the other day i had a can of peaches in my pants and beep, beep. you mind going back through? i said -- they make me go through. >> you're talking about one of the snack cans, right? >> can of peaches. no -- >> i'm talking clean peaches. no, listen to me. at the airport, i make fun of them. i'm at the airport so much, they know me. they know me and every now and then, i yell at them, making me

take my shoes off. i'll just pay you $500 for fees shoes, you think i'm going to blow them up? looking through the bag and touching my stuff, that's why i start putting my dirty underwear right on top. you want to go through my bags, what wait until you get a whiff of this. auto you've a pen? >> i can hang with you every month. i need to do the news with you guys. you do serious news, not really. just cap it off. >> tiger woods with a hot dog hitting his head. great it see you this morning. the show -->> need to come to las vegas. you fleed to coneed to come to t the fabulous flamingo, do a show from las vegas. i'm the new mr. vegas, by the way, did you know that? >> now we do. >> i'm the new mr. vegas. come out there one day, one week and do the show from las vegas. >> that would be fun. >> tiger woods suite. >> tiger woods suite, you don't have enough money for that, my young man. >> i saw the movie "the hangover" i know what goes on

down there. >> how about that? >> wake up with a chicken in your room you're in trouble. >> and a lion. >> lot of great places to go. emirill was there as my personal chef, looked for me. i got my check and i said damn! am i leaving already? >> yes. go out on a high note. >> thank you, george. >> it's beautiful, this is so great, i'll talk forever. >> thanks, george. >> all right. have a safe trip today. >> you are a beautiful lady. >> thanks. >> uh-huh. >> thank you very much. >> now you can keep talking. >> you're a good looking man, too. >> stop right there! whoa! >> i never said anything about you, did i? >> coming up, we're talking about mitt romney. mitt romney's mormon faith under attack. can a mormon be a president of the united states? we're breaking down the myths and realities of the mormon religion. >> then a problem that's plagued high school athletes for decades. stopped for good? those are two teams responsible

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>> welcome back to "fox & friends." third time is a charm for paul mccartney, former beatle and american heiress tied the knot in london, same place he wed first wife linda easton. the 69-year-old was married to heather mills. they divorced back in 2008. if you're 17 or younger, you won't be able to use tanning beds in california. governor jerry brown signed into a new law takes effect on january 1st. steve, to get your tan, you'll

have to go outside. >> and you know what? i'm outside. but i'm not going to get a tan because the sun is not up. meanwhile, our next guest may be pintsized but they're already changing the world of science. brayden benedict is the winner of discovery's 3m young scientists challenge right here and cheyenne is the year's runner-up. good morning to both of you. ok, i'm going to show -- we're going to show the projects but first, congratulations. >> thank you. >> you just won a $25,000 award. what are you going to do with the dough? >> well, i'm hoping to use some of it to kind of, you know, further my research into this and maybe make it into an actual product. and also, you know, saving for college. >> very good. ok. so this is the project. it looks like a helmet but something is different about this. >> i'm the helmet and i have a sensor. >> this thing right here. >> right, it's low cost and it will help to show when a concussion may have occurred during contact sports. >> in other words, when the

players is wearing the helmet, if he gets a really big whack in the head, you know, until now, you haven't known whether or not the guy has gotten a concussion. >> well, this thing right here indicates it's turned red, what does this mean? >> it indicates he may have gotten a concussion from that hit so he can be looked at and evaluated. >> you would see the application for football players, lacrosse players. >> yeah, exactly. >> anybody with a helmet. >> all right, cheyenne, i understand you were inspired by what you saw on television after hurricane irene. >> yeah, i saw a lot of the flooding and how devastated people's homes were so i wanted to figure out how to help them prevent water from getting into their house. >> and how many times did we see the video of people putting plastic around their house so what you have suggested is you've got an envelope essentially, of plastic, right? >> the different thing is this can move up and down. so when the floodwaters get higher, this doesn't just stay here.

and protect what it's meant to protect. it rises. >> great idea. >> so the idea is to have that protective plastic around the house before the flood, right? >> right. yeah. >> why didn't we think of that before? >> i don't know. >> now, congratulations to you, you got $1,000 runner-up prize, right? >> yes. >> what are you going to do with it? >> it's probably going to go into college or maybe i can spend some of it on projects like this one just for just ideas that i have. >> you know, it's a great idea. now, you were talking about, perhaps, using some of your $25,000 to actually do this. as part of this program, you would think that there would be companies that would say hey, that's a good idea. let's build that. >> right, 3m, i got a mentor this summer of 3m scientists to help me along the way and he's really encouraged me and they think i should try to go forward with this. >> that's a great idea. what do you want to be when you grow up? >> something with science, i'm not sure. >> how about you? >> i want to be an engineer but i don't know what kind of

engineer. very good. >> maybe i can work at 3m one day. you never know. >> that would be nice. couple of really smart kids. great to have you on the program. cheyenne, brayden, thank you very much. >> thank you. >> back inside. >> clayton, gretchen? >> $25,000. don't spend that on college, take it to vegas. >> great to see those young kids thinking about science and invention. two more more moneys are running for president, many say that religion doesn't belong in the white house but why? we'll separate fact from fiction right after this. >> then harry reid used the so-called nuclear option to block a potentially embarrassing vote. dana perino says that decision could come back to bite -- bite em. he's here at the top of the hour. [ male announcer ] cranberry juice? wake up! ♪ that's good morning, veggie style.

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>> welcome back, everyone. mitt romney's mormon faith in the spotlight after texas pastor robert jeffers called the religion a cult. what exactly do mormons believe? here to separate fact from fiction, author of "mormons believe what" gary, welcome. >> good morning. >> let's start out with what that pastor said, he said he believes mormons belong to a cult, how would you answer that accusation? >> that's an unfortunate choice of words. in the religious circles, the c word, i would make equivalent to an ethnic slur. it simply has no place in civil christian dialogue. >> one of the things that you write about in your book is there's a lot of confusion in the american public about exactly what a person who believes in mormonism is. so i want to go to one of the questions that you asked in your polling.

which was when asked whether mormons practice polygamy, only 14% knew the correct answer which is no. why is there so much confusion about polygamy and being a mormon? >> well, whenever you have mormons and polygamy brought up in a conversation, the main thing to remember is a simple sentence. yes, we did and no, we don't. certain small percentage of mormons practiced polygamy in the 1800's. since 1890, that's not been the practice. so people rely on a little well known history for that point. with that, we've had some breakaway groups from our religion, we're 14 million people. they're less than 50,000. and yet, some of them practice polygamy and we get tainted with their illegal actions. >> so when somebody asks you, are mormons christians, how do you respond? >> absolutely. we are members of the church of jesus christ of latter day saints and those first five words tell you that we are

christians. that whole point of a dispute arose in the debate about the trinity and we believe in the godhead though we do not believe in the trinity as it was described in the affirmation creed in the fourth century. >> right. that's where the disparity is. christians say they always believe in the trinity. so we'll leave that up to our viewers to decide on that. i want to get to the point of being elected president, though. do you believe a mormon can be elected president? should it matter? >> yes, i do believe that a mormon can be elected president. the factor of religion in the vote decision was really a second level or third level factor. for example, mitt romney is known by 85% of the people but only 41% know his religion. similarly, only 11% know john huntsman's and only 6% know senate majority leader harry reid's religion which is also lds or mormon. by comparison, michelle bachmann's lutheranism is known by 7% and only 1% know that rick

perry is a methodist. what these small numbers tell you is that if religion were a greater factor in the vote decision, more people would know people's religions. >> all right. very interesting. you've written a book "mormons believe what, fact and fiction about a rising religion." thank you so much for your thoughts this morning. >> thank you, gretchen. >> and more on this topic with dana peria reas perino around t. she says it comes to this, who would you rather see as president? mitt romney or barack obama, a former member of reverend wright's church? something she's never had in her 70-year history. i'm here to tell you but we'll tell you coming up.

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>> good morning, everyone. hope you had a great weekend. it was so beautiful in the new york area. the wall street protests taken to a whole new level this morning. hacker group taking on the stock exchange so can they pull it off? what will happen? >> just how much did the white house know about the bad bet on solyndra? apparently a whole lot more than it's willing to admit. brand new e-mails expose how deep the controversy goes. >> meanwhile, it's every parent's dream to see their child this happy. >> are you joking? >> no, i'm not joking. >> yes, we're going! >> are you excited?

>> what got that little girl so excited? it's a story that's going to make your day. "fox & friends" for columbus day hour two starts right now. >> hi, this is henry winkler. you're watching "fox & friends." >> thank you, mr. fonzerelli. >> that was such an anti-fonz. wouldn't he be saying you're watching "fox & friends." hey! >> it was a little understated. >> clayton, what are you doing here? >> i'm filling in for brian this morning. >> he's gone because it's spa week. >> yeah. he celebrates spa week every year this time of year. like i do shark week. always off. >> we have and we're going to go outside and we're going to get a rubdown, foot rubs, you name it. it's happening on our plaza because it's spa week and that's why brian took the day off. >> actually, he's going to be really upset to find out he couldn't get the patdown. that's why he always talks about with the tsa. >> he might come in just for that. >> let's do the headlines

before we get a pedicure, the hacker group called anonymous could launch an attack on the new york stock exchange today. the group posted this video warning them of the impending hack. they're responsible for hacking both visa and mastercards web sites in the past. this comes as the protests have moved into their fourth week and are growing rapidly across the country. more violence in egypt, 24 people have died. an additional 200 people hurt when christians who live there faced off against the egyptian army. the christians outraged about an attack on a church by radicals. demonstrators set cars on fire and threw rocks at military police. the troops responded by plowing into the crowd with military trucks. this is the first photo of the convicted shoe bomber at the super max prison in colorado. richard reid serving a life sentence for trying to light a fuse on his shoe and blow up a plane on its way from paris to

miami in 2001. he's the reason you have to take off your shoes before boarding planes now. al-qaida terrorist threatening to starve himself to death behind bars. the newly revamped wonder woman getting something she's never had before in her 70 year history. a father? that's not what i was thinking she was going to get. in a comic book series that goes out next week, she'll figure she's the daughter of zeus. the father of all olympic gods. >> maybe a husband or stuff? >> d.c. just released all their new 52 comic books now, they're selling off the shelves because they started at number one again. >> they're not comic books. they're graphic novels, ok? come organizatin, get that righ. >> you know what i've been reading at night. >> what? >> wonder woman. >> dana perino is a wonder woman. she's up early right now. she's on our program and on "the five" and joins us live from d.c. >> what i can't believe is i

never get to do in studio when there's the great country music singer or spa week. i want to get up there. >> sorry, we can arrange something. >> thank you. >> i can get on the acela. >> we'll hold it over for you. there was a document dump on friday, you know, thousands seemingly of e-mails and it just doesn't get any worse for the white house you wouldn't think. now there's this obama fund rai raiser who is pushing the solyndra loan. his wife was a lawyer for the company representing solyndra. it's not good! >> right. so solyndra, when it first came -- when they first announced their bankruptcy and got a lot of attention back in august, i remember thinking that all of my instincts were that this is a big deal and a bad deal for the white house. what i've been surprised about is that it seemed that no one was protecting the communicators. because they kept saying things that i thought, that's going to

be proven to be untrue once more of this starts coming out. if you pull every single threat on this story, it seems there's something else. just last week, there was an e-mail saying that staff within the white house, career civil staff as well as politicos warning this is going to be a leap show when solyndra does go down. and when president obama said he had no regrets, to me, one of the things they could have done is said we're going to have an independent review, we're going to look at our process and we'll get back to you. instead, they've defended the indefensible and now they're in a corner. >> it seems, though, if you are a venture capital fund and you're looking at where you're going to put your money, you probably wouldn't look at this company and we know in "the new york post" this morning, an interesting piece about how they would look at a company like this and they wouldn't want to bet their money on this but because the government did it, they're betting with taxpayer dollars and we're going to get paid back after people who did pony up some money. >> there's an important point

here, clayton, that i think needs to be made. there are some on background from the administration, current administration saying well, this was a bush administration program. now, the energy program at large, yes, that was an energy department program that was passed in a legislation that president bush signed but this particular deal on solyndra was one that because of the very point that you just made, that you wouldn't put your money -- your good money there because it wasn't a good bet and it wasn't good for taxpayers, that's why president bush's officials said no to it. we got a lot of criticism for that. when the obama administration came in, that was their pet project. they wanted solyndra to be first out of the gate and now they're paying the price for a sloppy process. >> let's talk about what congress is going to tackle this week, to bring forth the president's jobs bill. over in the senate, harry reid instead of going for a vote that mitch mcconnell asked for last week, thinking it might fail because democrats are against it as well, harry reid invoked the nuclear option.

now, i know that most americans are not getting up every morning and trying to figure out what the nuclear option is. but tell us why you think that's going to backfire potentially on him down the road. >> partly -- the reason i think it will backfire is because of the same reasons that harry reid thought it would backfire in 2005. basic thing is there's lots of different rules that govern the house and the senate. one of them is as a minority party, when you're in the minority as republicans are now, you can bring up suggestions for votes, motions for a vote. that's what senator mcconnell said because president obama was demanding pass this jobs bill now. they don't do anything. senator mcconnell said let's have a vote right now. harry reid didn't like that because president obama's jobs bill as introduced would never have passed a democratically run senate. so harry reid did something that they tried to do in 2005 as republicans, they didn't end up having to do it but threatened to on judicial nominations, the problem is it suppresses any

right of the minority to be able to bring up votes which doesn't seem very american. that was not the intent and that is actually senator reid's point in 2005. i think it will hurt him in the long run. i think harry reid will govern -- he will lose the majority next fall and they'll have to live under these rules. >> and going forward, it's going to be hell on earth in the senate because the republicans are, you know, payback is hell as the saying goes. here is the current president of the united states, barack obama back in 2005 when he was a senator talking about the use of the nuclear option by the republicans. >> what i worry about would be that you essentially have still two chambers, the house and the senate. but you have simply majorityarian, absolute power on either side and that's just not what the founders intended. >> majorityarian. >> and a constitutional law professor, too, so he knows this now but is it a matter of

convenience, dana? >> no, it's a matter of politics because he was going to be embarrassed by the fact that the senate did not -- the democrats in the senate would not support the jobs bill that he introduced. so harry reid decided it was more politically smart for the democrats to protect the president, not have that embarrassing vote and instead invoke this. but it's another reason that americans have, i think, like a 17% approval rating of congress. it just looks like nonsense. nobody is working together and so, you know, more shenanigans to come, i fear. >> it also makes me think about candidate obama because he seemed -- when he's talking about reasonable things when he was a candidate, that's why i think a lot of people voted for him and then he very much, some people would argue changed when he got to the white house. let's talk about other people that want to get to the white house. there are two mormons, john huntsman and mitt romney and suddenly now, we're back debating whether or not a mormon should become president.

there was a minister down in texas that made it very clear that he believes mormonism is a cult. he was on "fox & friends" yesterday defending himself. >> and i do believe mormons are good, moral people but they've never been considered a part of mainstream christianity. when i'm talking about a cult, i'm not talking about a sociological cult but a theological cult. mormonism was invented 1800 years after jesus christ and the founding of christianity. it has its own founder, joseph smith, its own set of doctrines and even its own book, the book of mormon in addition to the bible, that by definition is a theological cult. that's all i was saying. >> dana? >> that's all he was saying is there's -- not that there's anything wrong with that. you have to wonder what the pastor would have said about possibly -- if there was a jewish candidate running what he would have said about them. it is fair for everybody to question and wonder what your

belief system is, if you're going to run the country. how do you make decisions? how are you informed? how do you gather strength and spirituality, what is your faith like? and governor romney in 2008 gave a big speech about his religion. the problem for him, i think, is that it is -- it's so far back that he probably needs to do it again. he brushed it off a little bit this week. he probably doesn't need to do it too much more. the other candidates did back away from his comments that he made on saturday. but one of the things i was thinking about this weekend is that as voters look at these candidates, and they wonder about the faith issue and if romney or huntsman were to become the nominee to run against president obama, ask yourself this. are you more comfortable with somebody who practices in the mormon faith or somebody that was a member of reverend wright's church for many years coming from the pulpit? to me, i think religion is less of a question now.

and competence and job creation is the only thing that really matters. >> does president obama and president obama, of course, distanced himself from jeremiah wright later, does governor perry, do you think, need to distance himself from the pastor? >> i think that governor perry kind of did but look, you remember herman cain just about a month or so ago was somebody who said down in the south that mormonism doesn't go over very well with evangelicals in the south and questioning mr. governor romney could become a nominee and win the presidency because he's a mormon. he says those things but says i'm not saying there's anything wrong with it. i'm just saying but basically they are saying it. >> it's a political ploy. if you're a candidate and he's a frontrunner and it was bound to come up again. whether or not he will address it again, remains to be seen. dana, always great to see you. >> and whether or not president obama brings it up which i think that they probably will but they'll have a hard time convincing people. >> that will be very interesting to watch if, in fact, romney is the nominee. see you later at 5:00 where

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obama administration. the house oversight and government reform committee set to subpoena attorney general eric holder to find exactly how much he really knew about the failed gunrunning operation. here with more is fox news legal analyst peter johnson jr. nice to see you. >> nice to see you, clayton. >> break this down for us. if he gets subpoenaed and has to testify before congress again, is it convenient for him? can he get away with just saying, hey, i got these five memos that showed up on my desk and i just never read them. >> sure, it is. it may or may not be truthful but that's what he's going to say. he's going to go clarify his earlier testimony, the earlier testimony being that he wasn't aware of this program until a few weeks before he testified in 2011 when these memos show that there was apparently memos given to him back in 2010, a year earlier so the issue has become, did he commit perjury or not in his testimony to congress? >> answer that, how do we know? how will we know if he committed

perjury? these memos come to his desk and he basically says i receive hundreds of these a week and i don't obviously get to read all of them. >> i would say first off that the chief law enforcement of the united states -- office of the united states should be given the benefit of the doubt. but at the same time, he's got a solemn obligation to explain what happened so a lot of observers and congressman that you interviewed said he should resign as a result of it. he's got to explain what happened. and was he telling the truth? was he not telling the truth? was he confused? did he understand the question? did he not understand the question? that becomes the critical issue. >> that's where the legalese comes in. he could protect himself. >> then comes the legal question. they would take the question and the answer that he gave in congress and then they would take these prior memos that were addressed to him and to his deputy and say who is telling the truth? >> i want you to respond to what he said on friday. he released an e-mail, a letter that he had written in response

to all this criticism and he says this, i can't set idly by on a majority house of the committee suggests that i am, that law enforcement and government employees who devote their lives to protecting our citizens are considered accessories to murder but the question comes down to this, peter, if he knew about the program and they didn't do anything about it, that's the contention from darrell issa. they knew about the program and didn't do anything about it, is that illegal? >> that's not illegal. that's a governmental determination about what's a good program or not for the united states. i do agree with him, though, in this sense. i do not believe that attorney general eric holder is an accessory to murder. obviously, there's a deep, deep tragedy in this country and in mexico when we have atf and customs officials being killed. god bless the memory of brian terry. but i think to elevate it that somehow eric holder is complicit in murder knowingly intentionally, that's wrong.

he may have made a mistake. his people may have made a mistake. they should have cleared it up but didn't, to say murder, that's extreme and not good for our politics in this country. >> peter johnson jr. breaking down the legal side of all of this. great to see you. >> the photo is iconic and sparked a controversy that spans generations. is there such thing as a black confederate soldier? two descendents of the people in this picture here with this amazing new information. you don't want to miss. and it's every parent's dream to see their child this excited over a birthday gift. >> you're joking. >> no, i'm not joking! >> oh, my god. >> we're going. >> so what in the world did she get for her birthday? the heart warming story coming up. she's going to join us. she's so excited to be on "fox & friends." 4g-- the next evolution in wireless technology.

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>> a picture believed to have been taken in 1861 is reigniting a controversy about the role of african-americans during the civil war. the debate broke out in 2009 when this photo of two men, one black and the other white both dressed in confederate uniforms was appraised on tv's "antiques roadshow." the tv show. question, did the african-american man fight in the confederate army? the pbs program "history detectives" is tracing this story with the help of their families. joining us right now is wes cohen, expert appraiser and auctioneer and host of "history detectives" very long title on pbs. along with him, we have chandler battle, the great grandson of andrew chandler, the white man in the photograph and bobby chandler, the great grandson of

silas chandler, the black man in the photograph. good morning to all of you guys. >> good morning. >> so wes, this all started when you showed this -- it's called a civil war tin type, an image of a black man and a white man both wearing confederate uniforms and guns makes it look like the african-american was fighting on the side of the confederates. >> yeah and the family stories we're going to hear in a second is that silas, the african-american was either freed or had purchased his freedom before the war and then went off to fight willingly for the confederacy. >> and chandler, why is it you wanted your family to get to the bottom of this? >> well, i think that the photograph has been part of the popular culture in the civil war scene for a number of years. and lots of stories have been bandied about in terms of the men in the photograph and we appreciated the opportunity for some scholarly research offered by the history detectives to set

the story straight. >> sure. and bobby, i understand that silas has a confederate flag on his grave and you just want some closure. you want to know whose side was he on, right? >> that's exactly right. i want to know what side was he on, was he a confederate or just a slave? >> right. and what have the stories in your family been like, bobby? >> well, two different sides to some of the stories as silas had several kids and there's a different story almost in each one of them but the main one is that silas was a slave and that he bought his freedom. >> right. exactly. >> from the chandler family. >> now, wes, you will reveal tomorrow night on the program whether or not he did fight on the side of the confederates, right? >> absolutely. we do have a definitive answer

and if i told you now, i'd have to shoot you so tomorrow night, 8:00 on pbs, "history detectives." >> right, if we can put up the tin type again for a moment, are there some clues there that folks at home can look at and think, ok, maybe there's something to this fact. >> i'll give you a couple of hints. look at the uniforms and look at the waistlines of the individual and that will give you some idea of what's going on there. >> right. and chandler, before you go, you know the answer to this. don't reveal it! are you surprised? >> surprised, no. again, what the history detectives found out and the clues that they've just offered lead to a very decisive answer and it makes perfect sense so it was wonderful. >> all right. and read all about it. you can see it tomorrow night on "history detectives" on pbs. we thank you all for joining us live today. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> my pleasure.

>> thank you. >> get to the bottom of it tomorrow night. meanwhile, straight ahead on our monday's telecast, the president's jobs bill is heading to the senate. why are the democrats dreading its arrival? we're going to go live to the white house to explain. and then it's happening all across the country. hundreds of dollars worth of spa treatments for just $50! we're taking advantage today and you can, too. find out how straight ahead on this monday. make this massage monday. live from midtown. my name's jeff. i'm a dad, coach... and i quit smoking with chantix. knowing that i could smoke during the first week was really important to me. [ male announcer ] along with support, chantix is proven to help people quit smoking. chantix reduced my urge to smoke --

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>> all she wanted for her birthday was a trip to disney. when she finally got it, she could hardly handle it. if you could go anywhere, where would you go? >> disney. >> why don't we go now today? we're leaving today to go to disneyland. >> are you joking? >> no, i'm not joking. >> we're going!

>> that happy girl through her cries of joy. 6-year-old lily and her parents are going to join us live next hour fresh from their trip to disney. we'll find out what they are favorite ride was. i bet she's going to say all of them. >> i hope she says the haunted house. that was always my favorite. all right, well, we're following what's going on in washington this morning. a key vote on that $447 billion americans jobs act is nearing but will opposition to the bill even from democrats keep it from going any further? kelly wright is live at the white house with details. good morning to you, sir. >> good morning to you and gretchen and steve as well. yes, clayton, just as you stated it, that vote is likely to take place tomorrow when the senate returns and one thing is very clear is that republicans are against it. and, of course, there's also talk that even some democrats are against the measure. having said that, over the weekend, president obama continued to push for passage of the american jobs act. his plan to create millions of jobs through infrastructure repairs, tax cuts and raising

taxes for people earning more than $250,000 a year, some members of his own party do not support that. at the moment, at least 12 democrats are against the president's plan. they oppose raising taxes on households earning more than $250,000 a year. last week, new york democrat senator charles schumer offered an alternative and a 5% surcharge only on millionaires. >> the fight between those who do not believe there should be any government role, which i said public safety, public education, clean air, clean water, food safety, we see it on the floor of the house every day. medicare, medicaid, social security. bless their hearts, the republicans don't believe, many of them don't believe in the public sector role and they vote accordingly. the american people have to make a judgment as to what is important to them. >> republicans fiercely oppose the bill, some republican leaders subscribe the president's plan as class

warfare. >> number one, the math just doesn't work. raising all these taxes on small businesses doesn't work. it's not just taxing the movie star or the baseball player or that wall street person, you're taxing the engine of economic growth, small businesses. if you took all the income from every millionaire from america today, it would run the government for about four months. >> and the president says independent economists actually support his plan and say that it will work and he's also challenging those who are against the plan to explain why they are when he claims that it will work and create jobs for americans. back to you in new york. >> all right, kelly, thanks very much. you woke me up with that tie this morning, he love it. >> thank you very much. have a great day. >> see you soon. >> now the rest of your headlines for a monday. seven boaters including a 4-year-old girl rescued after treading water for 20 hours. they weren't wearing life vests when their boat sank off the florida keys. an 80-year-old woman did not survive. the cause of the accident is being investigated. an iranian actress sentenced to

a year in jail and 90 lashes for her role in the movie about artistic censorship in her own country. >> she was arrested in july after appearing in the film my tehran for sale, the story of a young actress in iran whose work is banned by the government. the movie was banned in iran but copies were sold on the black market. the parents of missing missouri baby lisa irwin now hoping a reward fund they're creating will encourage new tips in the case. family members took advantage of crowds at a nascar race in kansas city. they handed out flyers in an effort to locate the 10-month-old baby. over the weekend, detectives spent time re-creating the alleged kidnapping scene at baby lisa's home. she was reportedly snatched from her crib last week. police still don't have any suspects. watch out, hunters! that's not bambi. it's a robot. several states are now reporting

overwhelming success nabbing hundreds of rogue hunters and poachers by using decoy deer. they're 100% machine complete with a remote control that allows the viewer to shake his head and tail and they work great, the decoy in georgia was recently removed after being shot over 1,000 times. all right. let's head over now to steve who is about to be pampered before i am. >> i'm about to get polished. we have a bunch of people in front of our building right now because it is columbus day, right? no, because it's national spa week! and joining us right now live in front of our building, we have got with us kelly verde, spokesperson for national spa week. good morning to you. >> good morning. how are you? >> here's the cool thing, you know, people are tense these days. there's a lot going on. and this is our opportunity to relax at discount prices, right? >> correct. absolutely, we have hundreds of spas all over the country offering full service treatments, normally costing anywhere from $100 to $400 for just $50.

>> that's great. what is olivia doing to me? it looks like she's rubbing some quaker oatmeal on me. >> olivia is giving you an oatmeal peach and orange body polish with a vitamin c plus massage. >> why does my body need polishing? >> because we're a transitioning season, we're getting ready for the cold winter months and you need to protect your skin and you need to prepare for those cold winter months that are ahead. this is a great treatment just for that. >> why peaches and apricots and oatmeal? >> peaches and oranges have anti-aging and antioxidants, they'll make your skin look great. >> wait a minute, you're right. look, this arm looks younger than this arm. >> now, this treatment at the spa would normally be -- >> $100. >> during spa week? ? >> $50. fantastic, very nice. >> clayton looks unconscious. what's going on with him? >> that's just normal, steve. i'm getting acupuncture this morning and kelly, explain to me, first of all, what is the process for getting acupuncture?

are they sterile needles? i have some already stuck in my ear. >> he why, we have small sterile needles that are inserted into different acupuncture points in the ears, head, face, neck and body. >> you have to have giant ears like mine? i can pick up fm stations with these ears. >> not at all. >> and the price on this is interesting, too, right now just like steve's oatmeal treatment, what is the price? >> this service is normally $100 and for spa week, it's just $50. >> i know the question people are thinking at home, that has to hurt. she just shoved a needle into my forehead and it doesn't hurt. >> let me do it. >> steve stay away. security! why doesn't it hurt? >> it's virtually painless. you don't feel a thing except complete relaxation head to toe. >> i do feel really relaxed. why is that? why with a needle stuck in my head? >> he doesn't want to move. >> it's an ancient chinese practice, it's been used for hundreds and hundreds of years and now acupuncture facilities

are using it all around the country to give consumers more holistic alternative therapy to relax. >> i know that gretchen is also getting a treatment over there. you've had acupuncture. didn't hurt at all. >> i had acupuncture once but you're being a very brave soul. one went directly into your wrist. >> i know there's a voodoo doll somewhere that's hurt. >> i'm going to have, kelly, the manicure and pedicure. i desperately need a nail polish change here. and she's going to help me out. can i put my feet in this bath? >> go right ahead. we have fresh mint leaves in this soap to enhance the spa experience, give you some great aroma therapy, help you relax. >> what is she going to do with my hands here? >> so the bathroom hand and foot spa, offering a hot chocolate manicure and pedicure. >> hot chocolate? >> yes. >> i mean, you can't go wrong. mani, pedi and chocolate. it's a win, win, win. it's really great. >> how much did it originally

cost? this can be really expensive when you go to a really great place. >> carol's daughter is great, they have amazing, decadent products and this service is normally $96 and it's just 50 for spa week. >> wait. i got to smell my hand just to see. it actually smells like chocolate as well. >> yes. amazing. >> when you offer this service, do they get to drink hot chocolate? >> yes, they do. >> it's the full chocolate spa. all right. i am so glad that we did spa week with you today. thank you very much. >> thank you. >> thank you so much. >> where can people learn more information other than "fox & friends"? >> spaweek.com. >> we'll link to our web site as well. this feels so great. thank you very much. how do the candidates stack up heading into tomorrow night's g.o.p. debate? i can't read now, i'm getting a massage. jason wright from political derby ranks the candidates next. have you heard of shopping speed bumps? they slow down your cart in the grocery store when you pass the expensive stuff. that's not the only trick stores are using to get you to spend

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>> welcome back, everyone. the republican candidates are hitting the road hard while trying to separate themselves from the pack but who is the top dog right now? here with the latest rankings is the editor of political derby.com, jason wright. good morning to you. >> good morning to you. >> all right, so let's look at your derby picks right now. i know that you still have mitt romney as the lead horse. >> that's right.

mitt in the top spot, he's regained his lead at the national average at real clear politics, back up five or six points. now, i think is the time that mitt will probably shine in the debate and put herman cain in his place. it's kind of exciting stuff, second, herman cain, here he is coming off a very big weekend in florida two weeks ago. how will he perform in this debate now with the cross hairs on him? and then in third dropping fast, our friend from texas, governor perry. >> well, let us talk about the debate because i know one of the things that you think might be fascinating is the positioning of the candidates on the stage. the last couple of debates we've seen perry and romney, you know, direct center as the two frontrunners kind of going at each other. do you think herman cain now could split the difference between the two of them? >> i hope so. i wish i could get in the mind of the debate planners when they set the stage up. they typically have the frontrunner in the middle next to one another if they can do it and the guys that are kind of

running distantly off to the left and right. you need a telescope to maybe even see them. how fun would it be to have herman cain in the middle tomorrow night flanked by romney and perry on either side and how will herman cain react? you recall perry's first debate, boy, did they gang up on him or what? romney has faced that, being at the center of all the attacks, how will herman cain do now that he's viewed across the country as a top tier candidate? it's time for him, i think, beginning tomorrow to start looking presidential. >> what do you mean by that? >> i mean, you can't use words like brainwashed on national television and expect people to take you seriously for very long. he's been uneasy when he answers some of these questions on foreign affairs. i think the debates have really more than i think in any recent election, the debates seem to be shaping this race and tomorrow night will be no different for him. >> no doubt for governor perry, after he spoke about in-state tuition for legal immigrants and other issues, social security being a ponzi scheme, we started

to see him drop in the polls as a result of people probably watching those debates. what do you think he needs to do tomorrow? >> i actually think the pressure is off perry a little bit tomorrow because i expect so much attention will be on herman cain as the other horses take some aim at him. i think perry just needs to show up, to look good, to have some energy in the last third of the debate, we've talked in previous segments here on "fox & friends" that sometimes perry sort of fades a bit and looks a little bit sleepy. i think he needs to be alert and engaged throughout the debate and i think he'll do fine. >> all right. we'll see how your top three do tomorrow night. always great to see you. have a great week. >> thanks so much. you, too. have you heard of shopping speed bumps? i never heard about this until now, they slow your cart down near expensive stuff at the store and that's not the only trick stores are using to make you spend more money. next, we'll tell you how to avoid the tricks. and the number one song on this date in 2000, "come on over, baby" by christina aguilera.

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>> all right. the trivia question of the day, mario lopez. the winner is leslie harsh from saginaw, michigan. congratulations. meanwhile, did you know there are things called shopping speed bumps that are actually little bumps installed on the floor of your grocery to slow you down while you're shopping. studies show it makes you spend 17% more because you slow down, you buy more. >> and that's not the only way you're being brand washed. joining us, the author of the book with that name "brand washed" martin lidstrom. great to see you. love the title. >> thank you. >> to explain these speed

bumps. >> well, it's very simple. an average housewife spends 25,000 hours in a retail store throughout life which is the same as eight years in a supermarket. can you believe it? so really, if you delay that time just with 15 to 20 seconds per visit, you spend up to 17% more. basically, they put in vibrations into the floor so you slow down, you start to look around, and then you start to buy more. >> there's some other ways that we're being brand washed out there these days. in fact, like people have -- what? people have addictions to lip balm, apparently. >> absolutely. >> there's chemicals apparently in these lip balms that keep me addicted to them. >> is that right? >> absolutely it is right. >> you're going to do it, too. >> give me one. >> it is, right? reality is one brand, carmex puts chemicals into this brand. it's now proven. it's scientific proof. it makes you more addicted.

>> it's not in my chap stick, it's in carmex. >> when you go into the store and think it's fresh, you think it's right off the farm or right out of the bakery, not necessarily, right? >> no, the reality is that we want to be seduced by fresh symbols. the reality is most of this stuff is not fresh. in many cases, an average apple is more than 1-year-old. >> an apple is a year old. >> that's scary. >> what means that the retails are trying to make us believe it's more fresh by spraying a mist on it or by just wrapping everything like it looks like it comes from the farm. >> you are on to something here. babies at 18 months old can remember jingles from commercials. i was telling you last night, my son wanted fruity pebbles for the first time even though i've never had them because he saw it on tv. >> reality is a baby when they're born, already at the first word, they're saying mcdonald's. not mom and dad. when they're more than 1-year-old, they remember more than 100 brands. so -- >> 100 brands.

>> we now know from the product brand wars that even before we're born, we now are exposed to brands. >> you have some tips on how to wind up not being played, gamed by the grocery. one of the things you should do before you go shopping, eat because if you're hungry, everything looks good. >> that's true and not just food. the reality is that we are hoarding as consumers, we all are addicted to buying more so we're not just buying more food, we're also buying more c.d.'s or clothes or whatever, make sure you're eating before you go shopping. >> shop solo, go by yourself? >> this is so funny. the reality today is that if you buy stuff with your partner, you're likely to buy much more. up to 27% more. >> if you take your kids -- >> don't go down that path. it's not a coincidence to have the mini shopping carts. >> fill it up! >> in fact, you say don't use the shopping cart and also wear headphones. listen to music you hate? >> yeah. no. because stores are trying to make you spend as much time as

you can. they play slow music lower than your heartbeat rate. play upbeat music, music thaw hate so you want to get out of that retail store. >> pay cash because it actually is the number to you. it's interesting stuff. check it out in his new book, thanks very much for joining us. >> you're welcome. >> fascinating. >> great stuff. >> what if -- he's addicted now. >> i am addicted. >> what if 1/2 players played by the same rules as teachers? after three years, they'd be locked in for good. no worries about getting hurt, playing badly or getting cut. one hall of famer says it doesn't make sense and he joins us to explain. >> criminals crashing the party. not cashing in. some of those wall street protesters aren't protesting anything at all. they're trying to score some drugs. follow the wings.

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>> gretchen: good morning, everyone. hope you had a great weekend. today is monday, for some it's a holiday. october 10. i'm gretchen carlson. the wall street protesters getting behind the scenes support. the hackers who took down visa, mastercard ask some of america's biggest banks are joining their ranks and they're going to be going after the markets today. >> steve: great. no more games, eric holder being put on notice after more fast and from youious guns turned up in a gun dealer's house. now a subpoena will show up. >> clayton: a hole in bun? huh? a little trouble for tiger on his return to the course. a fan throws a hot dog at him and tiger is speaking out about the hot dog incident. "fox & friends" hour three starts right now.

>> steve: thank you, christopher columbus for discover ago place we could valley do a cable show. >> gretchen: happy columbus day, especially those who have an opportunity to watch us, 'cause you don't have to run to the office. >> steve: is that guy right there is clayton morris. he's not norly here. brian kilmeade is taking spa week off today. >> clayton: it's double whammy. he takes it off every year and spa week. he celebrates the entire week. glad to be here. it all comes together now. >> gretchen: let's do a couple headlines before we have a discussion about the issues of the day. night of violence in egypt, leaving 24 people dead. 200 other people were hurt when christians faced off against the egyptian army, they're outraged against an attack at a church

biomes rim radicals. the church responded by plowing into the crowds with military trucks. this is the first photo of the convicted shoe bomber at the prison in colorado. he's serving a life sentence for trying to blow up a plane on its way from paris in 2001. he's the reason you have to take off your shoes before boarding airplanes. the al-qaeda terrorist now threatening to starve himself behind bars to death. president obama facing more tough questions now over solyndra. e-mails made public friday by the obama administration show just how involved the white house may have been in trying to guarantee the solyndra loans. house republicans say they show dealings with political donors and wealthy investors. the solar panel company went belly up after receiving $500 million in stimulus money. a dog day for tiger woods. he almost gets clubbed with a hot dog while trying to putt. it all happened during the final round of yesterday's game.

the wiener didn't get close and the thrower was busted. >> i don't know how he tried to throw it, but i was kind of focusing on my putt when he started yelling. next thing i know, he laid on the ground and looked like he wanted to be arrested 'cause he laid on the ground, put his hand behind his back and turned his head. >> gretchen: video of the incident wasn't made available, but here is what it might have looked like thanks to our graphics department. those are your headlines. it was like a monster hot dog. >> steve: look, it's a bird, it's a plane. >> clayton: a foot long. >> gretchen: let's talk about fast and furious. that has been something that's been in the news, at least on some news channels for the last couple of months with regard to those guns. the initial objective here through the atf was to put these guns in the hands of traffickers and cartels so we could see where they were going to and therefore, maybe try and cut down on the violence coming across the border. we all know it did not end up that way and at least one u.s. border patrol agent has been

killed by those exact guns. >> steve: right. brian terry, and the more we look, the worse this program looks, you know, aside from the fact that thousands of guns wound up into the hands of guys who were aiming them at us. and the very latest information is apparently 40 high powered assault rifles and weapons got into the hands of the guy who runs the number one drug cartel in the world. jose morafo in juarez and one of the government sources says, quote, these fast and furious guns going to the drug cartel and they are killing everyone down there. >> clayton: they're our guns. who knew about it in washington? that's the larger question. if he knew about it, there were these five memos that landed on his desk back in 2010. though he gave testimony in may saying he didn't know about the program. then fired off a letter on friday basically saying, look, i stand by my testimony.

but these five memos landed on his desk. they explicitly outlined what was going on with fast and furious. darryl issa yesterday said we need answers. take a listen. >> the justice department oversaw a program that let weapons walk into the hands of the worst of the worst drug cartels. we now have enough information to know they did it deliberately. they did it with knowledge of who was receiving it. now we want to know more about who authorized it and why. >> steve: then once they figured out it was a plan that had gone awry, why they continued to back it. >> clayton: even though they knew it was going south. that's the question, and whether or not eric holder perjured himself. we'll find out if he takes the stand this week. >> gretchen: very interesting that they decided to dump those documents on friday night as well. let's talk about something else that continues to grow. that's the occupy wall street protests. they were supposed to be a 24 hour protest about a month ago. now they're into their fourth week and spreading to other cities across the united states.

but what's going to happen today with the stock market because the hacker group anonymous says now that they plan to attack the new york stock exchange today. so will your money be safe? clayton brought up an important point when we discussed this earlier. they're not actually going to -- we don't think, be able to get into the trading of the stock market. just to the actual site where press releases and publicity comes from. >> clayton: right. the web site, new york stock exchange.com. so press releases and other financial information, maybe not personal information, but this speaks to the larger issue. these guys went up to visa and master card. money was slowed up significantly. what could this do to the financial structure? >> steve: exactly right. they do it, it's called denial of service thing where they've got this software and they wind up bombarding people's sites so it slows down to a trickle. apparently, according to some people at the department of homeland security, anonymous has been trying to find some people on the inside of the financial

community, disgruntled former employees to figure out a way into the system. there is information that so far, they don't think anybody has, but none the less, it's troubling. as you look at what's going on, occupy wall street, occupy hartford, occupy boston, dc, everything, this was one of the big topics yesterday on the chat shows. let's listen to what some prominent americans think about this. >> the bankers and the people on wall street didn't write these failed policies of the obama administration. they didn't spend the trillion dollars that didn't work. the administration and the democrats spent a trillion dollars. so it's a distraction so many people won't focus on the failed policies of this administration. >> i don't worry about people who are already rich. i'm worried about getting people to become successful. removing those barriers so that people who have never seen success before can actually become successful. when you keep raising all these tax rates, and regulatory

barriers on successful small businesses, somehow are we going to get the jobs of tomorrow? this redistribution idea, of pitting people against each other does not work. it's divisive and hardly gives us the kind of attitude we want for businesses to take risks so they can succeed in the future. >> i support the message to the establishment, whether it's wall street or the political establishment and the rest that change has to happen. >> gretchen: so basically a split between republicans and democrats as to how they see these protestings continuing on and what they actually mean. we do want to show you some of the pictures from people who were featured in the new york post today. they went down and took pictures and talked to some of the protesters to see exactly what their message is. this guy is dave. you may be surprised to find out that he is actually a fugitive. yep. he's wanted in connecticut for burglary and so he says in this article that he found out that this might be a good place to hide, so he's pitched a tent there and oh, by the way, he spent most of his time, quote,

i've been smoking and drinking here for eight days now. i need to get some methadone. every day i wake up and i'm blanked up. >> steve: this guy is a jean justice until if you want to hide, go where there is tons of cameras in the press. right? there is cameras down there. >> gretchen: this doesn't say much about our law enforcement in that particular community if they don't know where to find him. >> steve: apparently it's widespread. the "new york post" reporter who reported on mr. dave there said that he was offered heroin for ten bucks. you want the fancy pot? that is 15. meanwhile, you want to know how to when you are arrested to get out of your handcuffs? take a look right there. fellow from washington, ryan clayton, showed the crowd how to pick handcuffs with a bobby pin. also, and this is troubling for many, aside from the fact that the area is being described assuming like an open sewer because there are no facilities, apparently the same people handing out free pizza are handing out free condoms.

>> clayton: it's like woodstock. >> steve: it is with free catering. >> gretchen: just put that picture back up for a minute, the last one. what's troubling to me is that in that particular shot, if we have it back up, you can see the face of a child. there. some of these other people interviewed said the parents had said they believe that they're teaching their kids the right lessons about america by bringing them down to these types of protests. >> clayton: let us know what you think about the protests. you can find us on twitter also. >> gretchen: what if nfl players played by the same rules as teachers? after three years, they'd be locked in for good. no worries about getting hurt or playing badly. they can't get cut. one hall of famer says it doesn't make sense and he'll be here live to explain. >> steve: then does the united states of america have a peter pan problem? men who just don't want to grow up? yep. playing video games instead of going to work. we're going to see what donald trump thinks about that. he's live on this monday, "fox &

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>> clayton: welcome back. imagine a reality where the national football league had the same rules as teachers. players salary wouldn't be based on his performance and if he makes it through a season, he would never be cut from the roster. sound crazy? why are our schools run this way? joining us is hall of fame quarterback fran tackington. he founded one more customer.com. and he's really been an inspiration following his nfl career which he was an inspiration already there. fran, nice to see you this morning. >> good to be with you, thank you very much. >> clayton: so you wrote this piece for the "wall street journal" this week, breaking down this notion that if the nfl were run like teachers union, we'd have a big problem. take us through this. >> well, president reagan said the eight most dangerous words in the english language are i'm from the government. i'm here to help you.

bf skinner, 80 years ago at harvard had much study on behavioral psychology and he said it's a function of consequences. if you do something and you get a positive consequence, you'll do it more often. if you get a negative consequence, you'll do it less often. if you get no consequence, you'll do it less often. >> clayton: it only takes three years to get this tenure, so these teachers are locked in and it's basically they're not being rewarded for doing good work, i guess. >> no. i'm a member of nfl players union, but i didn't have guarantee employment. you go and get guaranteed employment after three years, if you're a good teacher and you really excel and you really work hard and really spend time and help kids learn, nothing happens. nothing. if you're a lousy teacher, still nothing happens. you can't even be fired. we've got teachers here in atlanta that were cheating on tests. they were convicted and yet, they're still in the system because they can't prosecute

them and been getting paid by the school system for the last two years. you know, it's just a system that needs to be changed. the only hope we have now in education in this country, charter schools, private schools, because we even know in the inner city, the catholic schools do much better than the public schools. >> clayton: i want to put up rankings and get your view on it. 34th in math in the world. reading is 17th. science, 23rd. these are disheartening. we had kids on the plaza thinking, we need more of these kids in our society and we're 23rd in the world. >> well, we have a segment of our population who believes we should have bigger, more government. how is it working out in greece? how is it working out in spain? how is it working out in portugal? this country was based on merit

dacrasy where we reward people that before. >> clayton: how do you change it? after three years, we talk a lot about the negative sides of all this and the teachers unions and there is a lot of great teachers. how do you change the system to reward those who do great work for our children? >> well, probably going to have to privatize the system because we don't have politicians, democrat or republican, who have the guts enough to go and make these systemic changes in education and tax reform that we need to make this country back and rolling. bring out more steve jobs and more al daviss who both passed away this last week. that's what we need. we need somebody that just doesn't pony up to the special interest groups. we want politicians that will go and solve problems. that's what i am writing about every day. >> clayton: you got to check out his web site. if you get a chance, read some of his great speeches before the years because you are an

inspiration. for a person who wants to start a business and not have to rely on the government to do it. fran, thank you for joining us. >> thank you very much. >> clayton: coming up here on the show, if takes the term, water hazard to a new level. sharks swarming the golf course. then these guys say president obama isn't standing up for the poor. so they are. dr. cornell west, kicking off their poverty tour. can they get washington's attention [ malannouncer ] imagine facing the day with less chronic low back pain. imagine living your life with less chronic osteoarthritis pain. imagine you, with less pain. cymbalta can help. cymbalta is a non-narcotic treatment that's fda-approved to manage chronic musculoskeletal pain. one pill a day, every day, can help reduce this pain.

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hour. quick headlines. group of scientists casting doubt on the f.b.i.'s investigation into the anthrax attacks a decade ago. they say bruce iven, the army biodefense expert accused of the attacks, may have had help or may be the wrong suspect entirely. they say he can not have made the type of anthrax used. and tragedy at the chicago marathon. north carolina firefighter raising money for burn victims collapsed and died. with only 500 yards to go. an autopsy on him is planned for today. gretchen? >> gretchen: a sad story. thank you. right now the unemployment rate 9.1% across the country. but for african-americans, it's a shocking 16%. so here is what president obama said to members of the congressional black caucus about that. >> i expect all of you to march with me. take off your bedroom slippers. put on your marching shoes! shake it off!

stop complaining! stop grumbling! stop crying! we are going to press on! >> gretchen: comments like that have many in the black community feeling like he's abandoning the poor. the tavis and cornell west are here. they both just completed the poverty tour which premieres on pbs tonight and they are both my guests. good morning to you, gentlemen. >> hi, gretchen. >> gretchen: very good to be. tavis, i know when you heard the president say that to the african-american community, you had a specific thought. what was it? >> first of all, with all due respect to the president, as i said on my show, he would never have said stop grumbling, stop complaining, stop crying to our jewish brothers and sisters about the crisis in the middle east. never said that to our hispanic brothers and sisters about immigration, et cetera. would never have said that to the aarp about medicaid and medicare for seniors. but that language was troubling for me. i've been on record saying that

already. but beyond that, let me just suggest that poverty, i appreciate the lead in, but poverty in america is not a black problem. it is an american problem. the new poor in this country, gretchen, are the former middle class. the thing we learned on this tour is that we can't any longer as if we ever could, we can no longer color code poverty. americans of all race, colors and creeds are falling more and more into poverty, 50 million americans now almost live in poverty and as you know, the growing number, most encompasses women and children. that's not a black problem. that's an american problem. >> gretchen: dr. west, let me get your thoughts because we went to the census to figure out these facts and figures. since the war on poverty began in 1964, we have spent almost $16 trillion on welfare programs and yet, poverty continues to go up amongst whites and black, but specifically more amongst blacks. how do we explain all of that money that we've spent and it doesn't seem to be helping the problem? >> it sounds like a lot of

money, but actually it's not that much when you actually look at the higher echelon of our society. if we really connect the greed of wall street and the greed of corporations, billions and billions of dollars and then the statistics you put forward in regard to what it's been on poor people, it's clear that a mean spiritedness, there has been a mediocrity associated with not just republican party tied to them, but not enough democrats also speaking clearly in terms of this vast wealth inequality that's been escalating. >> gretchen: mr. smiley, should we spend more money then if 16 trillion isn't enough? is that the argument? >> i think the stimulus package wasn't enough and the evidence abounds because the economy is not growing at the rate it should. the problem is not to blame poor people for being poor as herman cain did, the issue is not saying that protesters are anti-capitalist. the issue is wall street.

not a -- they've been arresting folks left and right at these protests, but not a single banker has gone to jail for what they did to rape and pillage the national treasury. wall street now sitting on a trillion dollars that they will not turn around and reinvest in the economy because they don't know how long this is going to go on and we got to put the blame squarely where it belongs. it's not on the american people. it's on the backs of these bankers and these banksters who raped and just pillaged our treasury. >> gretchen: somebody who very much disagreed is a man you mentioned, which is the gop capped date who wants to become president, herman cain. let's listen to what he said. >> my parents, they never played the victim card. my parents never said that we hope that the rich people lose something so we can get something. no. my dad's idea was, i want to work hard enough so i can buy a cadillac. not take somebody else's. >> gretchen: dr. west, what do you feel about his idea?

>> brother herman cain, he's an exhibition a of a coldness toward poor people, a callousness toward working people. nobody is talking about a zero sum game. we know that 42% of our children of all colors live in or near poverty. they didn't -- we can't blame the children. we can't somehow act as if context doesn't make a difference. herman cain reflects precisely the kind of coldness to our poor people that i was talking about. >> gretchen: i read in his book that his dad had three jobs just so he could eventually reach his dream one day of buying a cadillac and that was the american dream for him. what's wrong with that? >> nothing is wrong with that. there are a lot of americans doing just like herman cain of all race, colors and creeds and genders working multiple jobs. the problem is the money they're making doesn't go as far as it used to go. number one. number two, our language is all wrong. how do you have a jobless recovery? what does it mean to be working poor? if you work, you ought not to be poor.

again, herman cain's story is a great story of overcoming, but there are americans who electric trying to do that every single day, but the leaders in washington are not serious about the challenges they face and helping to devise plans to eradicate poverty. it's a great story, but not all that unique given that most americans are doing the same thing every day. >> gretchen: it brings us full circle back to washington and the president, which is how we started this conversation. i know that you both believe he's failing to stand up to the poor. that's part of your series, the poverty tour kicks off on pbs tonight if you want to see more of this in action. great speaking with you this morning. tavis and dr. west, appreciate your time. >> thank you very much. >> gretchen: this video will make your day. a priceless reaction when a little girl finds out she's going to disneyland. >> are you joking? >> no, i'm not joking. yes, we're going.

are you excited? >> gretchen: that little girl fresh off her dream vacation will be here live. then look, it's us. >> we had an incident this week. >> gretchen: we'll play you the skit and see what donald trump thinks about it. he's live right after the break. she borrowed my dress an accident doesn't have to slow you down.

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>> clayton: time for your shout of the morning. golfers in australia having to worry about killer sharks. not a shark. this is a shark infested golf course. a half dozen man eating bull sharks live in the lake in the center of the course. a river broke its banks a few years ago, flooding the course with water and sharks. the sharks got stranded when the water receded. a lot of people drink and play golf. this seems to me like a recipe for disaster. >> steve: the ultimate 19th hole. >> clayton: right. >> steve: all right. we've got headlines for you on this monday morning. the parents of missing missouri baby lisa irwin, now hoping a

reward fund they're creating will encourage new tips in the case. family members took advantage of crowds at a kansas city nascar race over the weekend and handed out flyers in an effort to locate the missing ten-year-old. over the weekend detectives spent time recreating the alleged kidnapping scene at their home. she was reportedly snatched from her crib last week and police still have not named a suspect. >> clayton: a county in georgia looking to save money by putting inmates to work as firefighters. the plan, to have the inmates respond to all emergencies, including house fires. inmates charged with crimes like drug dealing and thefts would be eligible. they would work alongside regular firefighters and would be monitored by surveillance cameras. officials say the program could save the county $500,000 a year. >> gretchen: saturday night live having fun with "fox & friends" again on this past saturday show. >> an incident this week on "fox & friends."

>> oh, yeah. >> we asked country music legend and voice of monday night football, hank williams, junior, to come on our show and let's say he got himself into a little bit of trouble. >> mr. williams compared president obama to hitler and we just don't say that on this show. >> we imply it. [ laughter ] >> that's right. it's called manners? >> exactly. so here to explain himself is hank williams, junior. >> yep. chris brooks, mr. williams media representative, i'll be speaking for him from this point forward. i understand you're upset, but you have to admit, you made a big mistake by letting mr. williams come on your show and speak for himself. >> that's right. >> i mean, what did you think he would say? look at him. looks like a truck stop santa claus. >> so this is our fault! >> you introduced mr. williams as a man who knew a thing or two about politics. telling him he's political analyst is akin to giving a baby

a gun. >> don't give a baby a gun! president barak hitler will just take it away! >> he wants to make this right and he wrote a song to prove it. >> let's hear it. >> i'm going to sing it now? >> yes, now. ♪ are you ready for an apology ♪ well, you're not going to get one ♪ ♪ 'cause i calls them like i see them ♪ >> wow. well, i think i speak for all of us when i see apology accepted. >> gretchen: oh, my goodness. these are the real live people. brian is not here today. >> steve: can they find a skinnier guy to play him? >> gretchen: that's what he's most upset about. >> steve: i would be, too. >> gretchen: we take it as a compliment. let's bring in donald trump. i don't know if you're staying up that late on saturday night, or if you've seen that clip. your reaction? >> i actually did see it. you are far, far more beautiful people and frankly, i'm sure

that brian is not a happy camper. i never knew he had a weight problem. i see him all the time. >> clayton: only on saturday night. >> steve: by the way, we should point out, mr. trump has a brand-new book out called "the midas touch" in stores today. i'm sure that saturday night live is lampooned you many times. >> well, i actually hosted "saturday night live" and they did, in fact, it's been a constant thing. i think it's really badge of honor. it's good. it's really good. it's good for you. it's good for everybody. you don't like it, nothing much you can do about it anyway. >> steve: i wish i had that tie in real life. >> clayton: herman cain says we all need to have is a better sense of humor in this country. speaking about herman cain and what's going on on wall street. first of all, your reaction to what you've been seeing down there with all the protests arguing against sort of corporate greed, at least that's part of the message and there is a lot of mixed messages coming

out. other groups are sort of owe copting this protest, making it their own. what's your sense of this thing? >> nobody really knows down there what they're protesting. i keep hearing different things and really very far flung things. but the interesting thing, to me, is they should really be -- 'cause it's suppose to be job, they should picket the white house. thousands and thousands of people down to the white house because supposedly it was about jobs and, you know, the white house is not doing much of a job on that. >> steve: why aren't they there? why aren't they across the street from the white house? >> i think a lot of them like obama even though they're picketing job, which is a little hard to understand. >> clayton: they're also picketing this idea that the banks won't lend. gretchen mentioned earlier, they're upset when we talked with stewart, the money is not there. the banks sitting on all this cash, small business owners can't get loans or hire people. is it completely misplaced?

>> they happen to be right. the banks are not lending, no question about it. the banks got bailed out and they're not lending. i see people all the time, they sign contracts to buy apartments and houses and they can't get any financing. they get the worst financing i've ever seen. the banks are not lending. if they are talking about the banks, they happen to be right. >> gretchen: we're going to do a switch on topics. there is no good transition other than to say that do men suffer from the peter pan complex? there is a new study out that says fewer men have jobs. so that means more 20-year-olds are playing video games than 12-year-olds. so let's look at this. many 18 to 34 spend more time playing video games than 12 to 17-year-olds. do you believe that, donald? >> it's not only video games. in the age we have the iphones and all of the different things that steve jobs did such a great -- he'll be missed. but did such a great job with. i watch the people walking down the streets, and they're not even thinking about anything else but what's on their phone. it's a little bit scary.

you wonder where is it all going with this country? i see people come into the office and they constantly look down, they go crazy. they can't function without them. so i don't know what's going to be. but if they talk about the peter pan theory, there is something to it. >> clayton: the argument in this book is that there is a sort of woosification of america. the fact that we're less of a man because we're playing video games when they're 30 years old? i find that ridiculous. >> the only thing i can say for those that don't play the games, you have a big, big, really added value, because you have a lot more time in your life to go out and compete and make money and get the good job and do all sorts of things. it's probably a positive for some people. >> steve: just a moment ago you mentioned how you'll see people in a meeting or something and they'll look down at their black berry or iphone. it drives me nuts if you're in a meeting and somebody is doing that. do you have a policy at the trump organization where if you are having a board meeting, those things better be turned

off? you don't somebody like clayton looking through their mailbox? >> the ones that do it with me at the trump organization are my children because they obviously have less respect for me. so oftentimes, don, he loves that and he'll look down and he's such a great guy, but he'll be reading it and sometimes i'll stop talking talking talking ant him and eventually he looks up. it's a real question for people. >> gretchen: you bring up a good point about where does it go from here. donald, always great to speak with you. have a fantastic week. >> thank you very much. >> clayton: coming up on the show, when this little girl finds out she's going to disney, her reaction priceless. >> are you joking? >> no, i'm not joking. >> are we going? >> yes, we're going. (crying). >> clayton: six-year-old lily is

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clay? >> clayton: october 3, 1993, a day that started out quiet, a sunday, quickly turned into a nightmare. >> men are surrounded by thousands of somali militia. >> clayton: army ranger turned country superstar was part of the mission that day that became known as blackhawk down. >> gretchen: kenny thomas tells his account of that day and the importance of leadership. in his new book "get it on." he's our guest right now. i guess i want to get right to it. what does get it on mean? >> first of all, i love the word superstar. get it on was the call we got. it was a day off from training and a guy walked out of the airport hangar and said, get it on, just like a firefighter or police officer gets a call and like that, our lives changed. >> clayton: it became known as the battle of mogadishu. you're there then surrounded and

it became an 18-hour fire fight. why did that day change your life? and you decided 18 years later to write a book about it? >> that's a great question, for anyone, and whether it's world war ii, korea, afghanistan, anybody that makes it out of something, you're going to spend the rest of your life thanking the people that were on your left and right. there is also this odd sense of -- the best way i know how to describe it is a guilt that follows you. why, god, was i allowed to make it through? i think somewhere along the way you come to peace with that, it makes all the other decisions in your life easier. what i realize was i had a story to tell. i get to do it through my music, but now i had another way to do it. >> gretchen: in the commercial break, you said the words to me that i finally found a sense of purpose. it made me think of all the veterans who come home and are in search of that. what was it for you where you

finally found it? >> knowing that my purpose was to tell the story of the people on my left and my right, because i know by the grace of god, that's why i'm here. if i don't tell the story, who is gonna? any of those folks that are going to be coming home, they get the uniform, they put that uniform in a closet, they don't have that sense of purpose anymore that they have when it comes to issues. >> clayton: how can you carry that sense of leadership? oliver north on the back saying that the book teaches about the principles of leadership that you learned there. how do you carry them into the business world? >> oh, gosh. this is the point that i make in that thing, is that everybody is a leader. leaderships never, ever been about the rank and it's not about the position. it's not about where you sit on a corporate ladder. has everything to do with the example you set. so the story is not about colonels and generals. the story is about privates, like david floyd and specialist dejesus who the only people they were in charge of were themselves but they were setting

examples and i guarantee you, we owe our lives to these guys. that says to the reader, you're that person. you're the one on the left and the right. you can make a difference just with your example. >> gretchen: you continue to do that. you were just in afghanistan. you just came back for a small charity there and you do it through your music and now through your book. so if people want it pick it up "get it on." thanks. fresh off her dream vacation to disneyland, six-year-old lily and her parents are here. >> clayton: let's check in with bill hemmer for what's on at the top of the hour. >> congressman is calling on eric holder to resign. that congressman will join us after the a.g. responded to his complaint. faith in the campaign, it is on. we'll talk to the pastor who said mormonisms a cult. brit hume, christians shot in cairo. what police are doing and they're search for young lisa irwin, we'll see you in ten minutes on "america's newsroom"

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>> steve: welcome back. it's the gift she wanted more than anything else in the world, a trip to disneyland. but when she got it, this is not the reaction her parents expected. watch. >> you can go anywhere, where you want to go? >> disneyland. >> why don't we go? >> okay. >> now. today. i'm being serious. >> we're going? >> we're leaving today to go to disneyland. >> are you joking? >> no, i'm not joking. >> are we going? n yes, we're going. ♪ crying) >> are you excited? (crying). >> your birthday! >> steve: joining us live are the formerly crying six-year-old

lily, along with her mother and father, david and katy. good morning to all of you. >> thank you. >> steve: how cool was that to see yourself on tv? >> cool. >> steve: it was cool. exactly right. so mom, this was your idea. right? >> yeah. we had planned the trip for about a year. planned and saved. saved the money, we knew all along we were going to surprise her. when we did, i didn't expect that. >> steve: okay. and we just saw a backpack. what was in the backpack? >> tell them what was in the backpack. >> i got mini mouse pajamas. >> steve: things related to disneyland? >> yeah. >> i got an i love disney shirt. >> steve: david, when you saw her reaction, where she just burst into tears, what did you think? >> i was surprised. i knew she loved disneyland, but man, i didn't know it was going to cause that. crazy. >> steve: were you crying -- why were you crying, lily? >> 'cause i was happy.

>> steve: you wanted to go to disneyland so much. right? >> uh-huh. >> steve: what is it about disneyland? >> i get to meet characters and ride all the rides you want. >> steve: uh-huh. and then you have now gone to disneyland, right? >> uh-huh. >> steve: was it everything you thought it would be? >> uh-huh. >> steve: it was? what's interesting, david and katy, is the fact that that video has gone viral. so many hundreds of thousands of people have seen you around the world. but because it wasn't posted before you went, nobody knew who you were. right? >> we just went and had a good time and got back and all this happened. it's been a crazy week. >> steve: what's the reaction been, david? >> surprising, for sure. like, we just expected to show it to our family and friends and show her how excited lily was about going to disneyland. then all of a sudden, she's all over the internet and it's been surprising. >> steve: one of the things on the video that we haven't shown yet, we're saving the best for last -- is after you cried, you were so happy you did the happy

dance. right? >> uh-huh. >> steve: would you like to do it again? >> uh-huh. >> steve: six-year-old lily doing the happy dance. imagine if you were six years old and you got to go to disneyland, you would do the happy dance, too. do it. that just says happy! when she's not crying, she's doing the happy dance. very nice. come on back here, we're going to continue the conversation with them in two minutes. you're watching "fox & friends." >> if you could go anywhere, where would you want to go? disneyland. >> why don't we go, now? >> we're leaving today? >> i'm serious. >> are you joking? >> no, i'm not joking. >> are we going? >> yes, we're going. (crying). (crying). >> are you excited?♪

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