back to disneyland or disney world, just based on the happy dance alone. >> clayton: exactly. that was amazing. more in the after the show show. log on for the after the show show. >> gretchen: have a great day. bill: o. fox news alert, good morning everyone, christians shot dead in the streets of cairo, egypt. it went like that, overnight, throughout the night, christians, clashing with military police. only a day after 24 were shot and killed, protesting in attack on a christian church. good morning on this columbus day, nice to have you with us today. i'm bill hemmer, welcome back. heather: i'm heather childers in for martha maccallum, those riot riots in full force. bill: leland vitter is with

us, what now, legalland? >> reporter: bill, the violence continues in downtown cairo as the protestors are clashing with police, the death toll, up to 36. this is the kind of violence that has the potential to spin out of control. they used to have the military to protect them, and the police to keep the muslims from burning down their churches. they don't have that anymore and after a church burning this weekend, they took to the streets, the christians marched down towards the plaza where they have the nile television building and that's where these clashes began, personnel carriers came out, riot police came out with batons and these are pictures similar to what we saw in the revolution. important to know, knot only do they have coptic muslim violence but against the military, and that's because there are coptics that supported the military once it took place during the revolution and right now they certainly feel abandoned by it. bill: it is october, the revolution occurred in

february and still no government to follow that revolution. how will this affect what's expected to be elections in about a month in egypt? >> that's still to be determined, bill. remember, the military inside egypt has been pushing these elections back and back and back, the muslim brotherhood is expected to win big during those elections and the military simply does not want to have them. as for the coptics, they are still under a huge amount of pressure, because the military doesn't have a government or the ability to control its own people, so you've had coptic the who have had their ears cut off, the anger on the streets is incredible. egypt is a tinder box, the military is full of mubarek phonies and rather than institute ago democratic reform they've been promising in having these elections, whatever the outcomes may be, it systems they're willing to use violence to try and control the people on the streets. it's certainly not making the people who fought so hard happy. bill: leland vitter.

a little context and background, at least 3 1/2 million christians of all de nam nations, coptic christians are the largest religious minority throughout the middle east, they account for about 10 percent of the # on million people living in egypt. more on this story as leland mentioned as we get it from "america's newsroom". heather. heather: the occupied wall street -- the occupy wall street movement gaining more momentum. >> what started in new york less than a month ago now spreading to at least 25 cities, many protestors say they are in it for the long haul. >> it's exciting. i think it's the beginning of a revolution. there will be a lot more of us here. it will be cold, though. >> people don't usually do this! but it's time that the voice for the people be heard. >> it's about time that people finally stood up for

the streets against what's happening on wall street. >> reporter: >> heather: the protests are spreading a couple of blocks from the white house. thron what happened there, a group storming the smis seasonnan air and space museum, they were blitzed with pepper spray by security guards, the museum shut down, reopening for visitors this morning. bill: on to 2012 now, jockeying for position in the race for that republican nomination, two key straw polls to talk about, herman cain was the big winner in the key swing state of minnesota, that businessman grabbing 53 percent of the vote as the midwest republican leadership dproans got underway. congresswoman michele bachmann, coming in a distant second in her home state, romney was third, ron paul and rick perry rounding out the top five. in washington, d.c., 37 percent of the vote for the republican congressman

out of texas, former godfather's ceo herman cain, a strong second there, at 23 percent, followed by rick santorum, third with 16 percent, rick perry and michele bachmann tie for fourth in washington. but it was religion, not numbers, that took center stage at the values voter summit. dallas mega church pastor robert jefferds, a perry supporter, creation a firestorm when he called mitt romney's mormon faith a cult. >> i stand by my comment, everything i said about mormonism is true, mormons are good, moral people but they are not a part of mainstream christianity. bill: rick perry -- rick perry not commenting but saying that rhetoric like that does not help anyone. >> the strength of the nation, we should remember the decency and civility of our values, too, one of the speakers that follow me has cross that's line. poisonous language doesn't

advance our cause. it's never softened a single heart or changed a single mind. the blessings of faith carry the responsibility of civil and respectful debate. the task before us is to focus on the conservative beliefs and the values that unite us. let no agenda narrow our vision or drive us apart. bill: as for perry whose camp has been distancing himself from these remark, the texas governor giving an unambiguous no when asked by if he thinks mormonism is a cult. pastor jefferds himself joinstous talk about the comments. we'll talk next hour on that. also a fair and balanced debate on whether or not religion should play a part in politics this time around. we want to know what you think, foxnews.com,/ "america's newsroom", here is our question of the day, does a candidate's religion matter to you? a little, a lot, or not at all. you can vote right now. heather: a new bombshell report showing just how bad

the recession hit americans. this is according to "the new york times". u.s. incomes continue to spiral, even after the recession officially ended in 2009. the report covers a two-year stretch from june '09 to this year. the median household income dropping close to 7 percent to just under $50,000. let's bring in stu varney from the fox business network, anchor of varnny & company. so stu, what is the big picture here? >> okay. the big picture is that our standard of living is actually falling, our spending power is falling, and the growth in prosperity which we had had for the best part of a generation has come to a halt and is in fact in reverse. the key statistic from these two former census figure, the key statistic is from the start of the recession to now, our income has fallen nearly 10 percent, and most of that drop came after the recession ended.

so to answer your question, health he, the big picture is this. we have a declining standard of living because our income is falling, the jobs situation, still in crisis, with 14 million unemployed, and the housing market has crashed. middle america, big picture, middle america has been very much squeezed in the past four years. heather: so fallen nearly 10 percent. why is that? why is income down? >> several reasons: number one, we have inflation. gas prices are up, food prices are up, health care costs are up, sharply, in fact. that erodes your purchasing power, your spending power. number two, if you lost your job in the recession but you got another job soon after it, that next job, the second job, probably paid a whole lot less than your first job did. third, there are million of people who are still unemployed. that puts pressure on the labor market. it means that hourly wages don't go up that much.

and number four, the polices to deal with this have not created economic growth for the private sector. four reasons why income is, in fact, falling. heather: thank you very much for the good news! we appreciate it, stu. >> sure. bill: he stumbles upon it every once in a while. we have to encourage him, though! stuart is an optimistic man. it's just been a difficult road for three years. thank you stuart. more fallout from t t federal gun operationnon as fast & furious, the arsenal of weapons linked to it turning up in the home of a drug cartel boss in mexico. under the operation, the u.s. allowed the sale of more than $1 million in weapons to drug gangs but the u.s. lost track of more than 1400 of those guns. now, the attorney general eric holder facing calls for his own resignation over what he knew about the program and when he knew it and that is getting hotter by the day. and darrell issa, one of the people turning up the heat on holder this way: >> he had to know that something serious had

happened and that's months before he says he knew. now, if we assume for a moment he didn't know, the question is, is he competent? bill: and this question: did he lie to congress. new subpoenas will be issued this week for top administration officials, and we'll talk with one of the lawmakers demanding a resignation. heather. heather: and also this. the mystery over a missing baby in missouri, intensifying today. lisa irwin's parents, talking to police and the media. but where is baby lisa? >> bill: it's october, and yet, a twister leaving several families without a home this morning. >> heard pops and gunshots going off. >> we knew something wasn't right so we got the kids and ran to the hallway, a couple of seconds, it was over, we come outside and we were like wow. >> i thought that was t. i walked outside and found half my house sitting in the middle of the street.

>> i've always taken the tact that the president picks the people he has full confidence in. the president has full confidence in eric holder, something i don't share. bill: that was congressman darrell issa on fox news sunday. he had a lot to say frankly about what's happening with the attorney general, the house oversight committee chair says he will issue new subpoenas in the government's fast & furious operation, as soon as this week. republicans questioning holder's testimony over when he learned about the operation that ultimately put u.s. guns in the hands of mexican drug cartels. congressman ro labrador is overseeing of the oversight committee, one of the lawmakers attorney general for the attorney general's -- calling for the attorney general's resignation. sir, thank you for coming back to "america's newsroom". >> good morning, bill. bill: there are a lot of developments over the weekend. have you changed your mind about the attorney general that, he should resign? >> i have not. in fact i have strengthened my opinion because of the letter that he sent to

congress last week where he accepts absolutely no responsibility for his actions, he tries to blame other people, and he says that he just made a mistake because he didn't look at some memos. bill: it was a long letter and nothing in it changed your mind? >> nothing in it. i mean, i agree with him that it's difficult for a person in his position to know everything that comes across his desk. i don't have a problem with that. but i think it was his responsibility as the attorney general of the united states to actually look at what evidence his office had about fast & furious. instead, he chose willfully to ignore everything that has come across his desk about it and the question now is whether he did that because he wanted some lack of responsibility because he wanted to actually deceive k. or is he just grossly incompetent in his job. bill: respond to a few things. in the statement, he says my statement was truthful and accurate. i have been consistent throughout. why don't you believe him? >> well, he may have been truthful and accurate. first of all, i don't know

how truthful it was. he was asked two different times by members of congress whether he had any knowledge about fast & furious and he told both members of congress that he only knew about fast & furious a few weeks before his testimony, and now we're finding out that he learned about it almost a year before his testimony. we're learning that there's a lot of other things that are happening, and somebody at his level should have actually taken the time to find out how much his office knew about fast & furious. bill: is a fact, though, that he did know about it prior to early 2001? here is a statement, prior to early 2011, i certainly never knew about the tactics employed in the operation. that could still be factual if you did not read the briefings, because the summaries are given to him every day, those summaries are now public. sometimes they're a sentence long, he described, sometimes they're in paragraph form, he says not one said anything about the tack tigs used by the atf. why is that not good enough? >> because he came to congress to testify about what he knew about fast &

furious. he knew that a border patrol agent had died because of this program and i think it was his responsibility as the attorney general of the united states to actually find out exactly what his office knew, and he failed to do his job and he's done this before in the past, when he comes to congress, he claims that he doesn't know about something that he actually has knowledge of. bill: do you think there's an explanation that you would buy? >> you know, there's an explanation that he didn't know about it, but there's not an explanation for him failing to do his job to come to congress and actually give them the information that they needed. bill: what do you think of the new subpoena that is darrell issa expects to issue this week in washington? >> i think that's really important. we need to get to the bottom of this case, we need to find out exactly who knew about this operation, what they knew and when they knew it, because that -- and this is the important thing, this is not like solyndra. we've been hearing a lot about solyndra where we wasted money on a company. that's a different kind of scandal.

this is something where people actually died, crimes were committed because the u.s. government actually failed to do its job to figure out where these guns were. bill: raul labrador, thank you for your time, sir. >> thank you. bill: 18 minutes past. we'll see where this goes. it got hot over the weekend. watch for more this week. heather: coming up an amazing rescue at sea, seven people, including a four-year-old, treading water for nearly 24 hours after their boat capsized, the incredible story of survival, that's up next. bill: also this powerful tornado ripping up homes and tossing up cars. where thousands of folks are still without power. >> we looked at our house and we realized our whole house was gone. as long as we're okay, that's all that matters to us. >> i feel like it's a dream. it feels like i'm still sleeping and i'm going to wake up and everything is going to be okay.

bill: so a twister leaving several people homeless in texas. look at some of the destruction left behind that. tornado was on the ground at least a mile and a half, flipping through roofs and knocking out power, even tossing around a postal truck, as it swept to the -- through the san antonio area. fortunately no reports of serious injuries. heather: well, an amazing rescue at sea, off the florida keys, this is where this happened, a group of boaters now recovering after sitting 20 years, treading water, stranded at sea. rick leventhal is live from our newsroom with more details. what happened? >> reporter: according to the u.s. coast guard, this group of # people set off on a pleasure cruise saturday morning in the florida keys -- florida keys but around noon, their boat capsized in the rough waters between key cargo and key west. an 80 year-old woman went under and never resurfaced,

the rest of the group spent a long day and an entire night treading water. it wasn't until 8:00 sunday morning that three of the survivors responded by a fisherman, they were clinging to the capsized crash, he called the coast guard, that launched a search for the rest and the others were found 4 miles from the rest of the group where they drifted off, three women and a four-year-old girl, none wearing life vests, clinging to a floating cooler. the little girl was suffering from hypothermia, she and the others are recovering in a florida hospital. heather: i don't know how long a four-year-old treads water. >> the coast guard hasn't released details on the victims, survivor, no relation, nor home towns. they did confirm that none of the survivors were wearing life jackets, a coast guard spokesman said it was pretty amazing the group was able to tread water for so long in those rough sea, no doubt about that. emergency medical workers were waiting at the dock to help treat the survivors and

the florida wildlife conservation assisted them, they are investigating this incident. heather: thank you very much, we appreciate it, rick, thanks for those details. bill: 20 hours, huh? >> heather: a four-year-old. bill: sharks, jellyfish, stuff made of nightmares. searching for clues now in this mystery of a missing ten month old girl. police, staging a break-in at the baby's house, trying to figure out what happened to lisa irwin. details on that. heather: hopefully we'll know soon. the controversy at the justice department. we'll tell you why the investigation into a popular website raising some major privacy concerns.

bill: we have a fox news alert on a story breaking out of washington. new details over a secret court order obtained by the justice department allowing feds to look through the private employees of a popular website. you can imagine this move is raising some eyebrows to privacy advocates. doug mckelway is live from ds on this. who's the focus of this investigation? >> reporter: bill, an expert computer hacker, jacob apple democrats baum who identified himself as a member of the tore project, who are dedicated to online anonymity. he is a volunteer for wickileaks and has been detained by the feds upon returning to the u.s. from abroad. the u.s. government has obtained a controversial

secret court order to force google and sonic net.incorporated to turn over information from applebau m's e-mail accounts. the "wall street journal" reports bowl goolel and sonic want to inform applebaum of this government request but lost that fight. dane jasper told the "wall street journal" that challenged court order was, quote, rather expensive and we felt it was the right thing to do. the court order requests the e-mail addresses of the people that applebaum corresponded with over the past 2 1/2 years but not the content of those e-mails, bill. bill: doug, you know, we -- i guess the order itself potentially a violation of the fourth amendment. i mean, that's what the other side is arguing now. that deals with unreasonable search and seizures. >> that's right. that's what the other side is arguing. it's certainly a lot of civil libertarians would argue that it is a violation. the justice department of both the bush and obama administrations, however, would argue and have argued that it is not a violation. in fact, attorney general

eric holder, after wickileaks released secret u.s. diplomatic cables that damaged relations with many countries argued for an active criminal investigation of wickileaks. several court decisions have questioned whether the law allowing this court order is a violation of the constitution, so these legal fights will no doubt continue, bill. bill: doug, thanks, doug mckelway on that story out of washington. heather:heather: we have new des on the search for a missing ten month old girl, police staged a mock break-in of lisa irwin's home, this after according to lisa's mother, she failed a polygraph and police accused her of playing a role in her daughter's disappearance. rod wheeler is a fox news contributor and former d.c. homicide detective and joins us now. thank you for joining us. >> good morning, heather. heather: my first question, the very latest news, this recreation of the break-in, why would investigators do

that? >> well, here's the main reason why. if you remember, last thursday, there was like this dispute between the parents and the police. as a matter of fact, it's been described as a heated argument between the police department, the investigators, and the parents. well, one of those sticking points with that argument was probably the fact that the cops have the initial story that the parents broke in through this window probably did not happen because they did not see how fazably that could be done so what the cops agreed to do saturday was go back out to the house, the fbi, the kansas city office and try to do somewhat of a mock break in and let me tell you that, they did that. but here's what's more interesting, they actually had an agent go through the window and you know what, one person cannot have broken into this house this way. you have to lift the person up. so there had to be two people, if, in fact, this is how it happened. not only that, this is a relatively old house, so the windows are very heavy. when the agent was trying to get through the window, heather, the window slammed

on the agent's legs. so if that's the case, it had to have been a lot of noise. now, the police are saying it is possible that these bad guys or this person could have gotten into the house this way, but even now, still, heather, it's somewhat unlikely. heather: rod, why go in through the window when the front door was allegedly unlocked? >> you know, i'll tell you, heather, that's another question that the police have been asking the parents, because for whatever reason, according to the parents, they left the front door to the home unlocked. not only did they leave the front door to the home unlocked, they also left their cell phones in the house on the counter. once you get inside this house, and this is so important for the viewers to understand, heather, once you get inside the home, if the person came in through that window, they would have had to walk down a long hallway past several bedrooms in order to get to the nursery, where little lisa was sleeping. if that's the case, according to the parents, the burglars, the bad guys,

turned on all the lights in the house, took the baby, went out through the front door. this story just simply doesn't add up, heather, and i think that's why the police have been so focused on the parents. but they're looking at other leads as well. but they are focused on the parents. heather: rod, before they move beyond the parents, something i had not heard until i read your notes this morning, the significance of this overnight shift with this dad. this is not something that he normally did? >> exactly. one of the reputable news agencies was reporting over the weekend after they did an investigation, they learned that the father, when he worked the overnight shift, this particular night, this was the first night, heather, he had ever worked the overnight shift. now, here we have him working the overnight shift for the first time, forgetting his cell phone, leaving it at home for the first time, turning on all the lights of the home and we have supposedly somebody coming through a locked window. it doesn't add up and i

think this week police will continue to focus on the parents. >> we actually have a telephone null on the screen, if you have any information about this missing ten month old girl, lisa irwin, please call this number if you have any information at all, but in reference to the dad, his story is he came in, he noticed that the door was open to the baby's room, normally, he said that wasn't the case, but then he proceeded on to the bedroom, where his wife was, woke her up, asked her where the baby was. do you think that it's odd that he didn't just go into the room and check on the baby? >> well, you can add that to the list of jodty necessary this case. it's very odd he didn't go into the room. it's also very odd that this man has a ten month old child and he forgets his cell phone and didn't take it to work. i don't know of too many people that would do that. this adds to the facts and circumstances where we know something went on with that child. the parents are not telling us something. heather: we don't want to say they're guilty, though, because everyone is innocent until guilty. >> we don't.

heather: i want to know your gut feeling. i was in north carolina when the susan smith case broke and i want to say, i feel a different reaction from the mom in this case than with susan smith. so what is your gut feeling here? >> well, my gut feeling, speculation based on many years of investigating cases like this, i can tell you, heather, i can tell you that the parents no more than -- know more than they're saying. i don't want to say they're guilty of anything but they do know more than they're saying, and they need to come clean with the police but the investigator -- because the investigators are becoming increasingly frustrated with the parents. heather: we hope she is found safe and alive and we appreciate your insight. thank you very much, rob. bill: it is a mystery that's captured the country, really, there in missouri. what are we doing on wall street now? we're booming, that's what we're doing, stocks off to a flying start, up one # eight, 190 now, reaction to the leaders of german and france came out and said they're going to work out a

deal by the end -- deal by the end of the month that should make sure the banks and europe have enough capital. you know the stock market likes that. we're booing -- booming off the top. we'll see whether it sticks. it is reassuring investors, clearly, even though the leader of these plans, france and germany, have not offered details on the specifics for how it would work. you can imagine that's forthcoming. but right now, you can only do that, you can only imagine it. so we'll see whether or not they stick to their word. health details will be important for sure. bill: for the moment, doing all right. heather: could budgets be so tight that towns are turning to convicts to fill jobs? it could happen in camden county, georgia, turning inmates into firefighters. town leaders say it could save them more than half a million dollars a year, and lower home insurance rates as well. the concept of an inmate firefighter, not all that new, though. in california, more than

4000 firefighting inmates are stationed throughout the state. bill: whatever works, huh? >> either t had healtho heather: it's working there. bill: facing foreclosure, how a government program is providing major relief for those struggling with those monthly payments. heather: the politics of religion, the fallout after a prominent pastor calls mitt romney's mormon faith a cult. >> first of all, they were established 1800 years after jesus christ and the founding of christianity, they have their own human founder, joseph smith, their own set of doctrines and own religious book outside of the bible. >> coming up, pastor robert jefferds joins us live to defend those comments.

heather: what nearly a foot of rain can do over a few days n. south florida, the heavy downpours, flooding homes and roadways and in some places, swallowing up

cars, the forecast today calling for sunny skies, though. definitely good news for those folks, giving them all a chance to dry out. bill: it's picture perfect out there today, right? so mitt romney's faith thrust into the national spotlight after a prominent evangelist and rick perry backer calls the religion a cult. this has caught fire. director for the national republican committee, and kirsten powers for the daily caller, happy columbus day, go fly the flag! karen, where is this going? >> well, you know, this seems to be a replay of four years ago, when mitt romney's religion was front and center for some time. mike huckabee made a big deal about it when he was running against romney. and you know, i think it's a real distraction. i think most voters know,

mitt romney is a mormon, if they have any questions, you know, i think their bigger concern is what's this guy going to do with the economy. i think it's a distraction. i think a person's religion is fair game, but -- >> bill: who is it a distraction for? for romney, p. imre orioo perry or both? >> i think it's a distraction for both of them. i don't think it actually helps perry. you know, any bigotry against mormons, among the socially conservative christian right within the gop, those voters are probably going to be with someone like perry or santorum or bachmann, anyway, because they're just more socially conservative than mitt romney, but i also think it's good -- it's not good for mitt romney to defend against something he shouldn't have to defend. bill: i thought his response calling it poisonous was somewhat effective. kirsten, where are you on this issue? >> i think evangelicals made peace with this last time

around and you even had conservative evangelicals supporting romney, so at the same time, this person who said this is a pastor, in an interview you ran earlier, he's talking about a theological position, which is a position that is frankly a very common position among conservative evangelicals. i don't think it's bigotry to say he thinks it's not criant. it becomes bigotry when you -- if you're saying he can't be president because he's a mormon. >> right. >> i mean, that's the problem. you know, i'm a christian, i would vote for romney if i thought he was the best qualified person, it would have no impact on what i think, george bush was an evangelical christian and i don't think he was a very good president so, really, what you have to look at is who's the best person and romney, if people think he's qualified, the fat that he's mormon is irrelevant. he's clearly a person who has good values and i think has a lot in common with christians. bill: a couple of things here, just to observe from afar here.

it shows me that the primary season has entered a more aggressive phase. >> yes. bill: it also a probably effect five perry in states like iowa and south carolina, because of the evangelical vote there. but karen, as a strategist, do you see a moment where mitt romney makes a speech on faith, a speech on religion in america? >> i think he did that, four years ago. i think he's addressed it. if i were him, i would not advise him to go after this issue again. i think that he's going to have a much more difficult time addressing the issues that those conservative voters care about, which is his health care plan, rick perry has come out with a really strong ad against romney on that issue, and a lot of the social conservatives who just aren't convinced that he is with them on issues like gay marriage, civil unions, abortion, some of those issues where he's taken different sides throughout his political career. i think that's, quite frankly, the greater concern

for him. bill: then maybe the more pertinent question is for rick perry in this debate on tuesday night, kirsten. perhaps he needs to answer what his relationship is with this pastor and whether or not he knew or encouraged him to make a comment this past weekend. >> well, the pastor has said they're not close at all, so he has said i'm no the reverend wright of this cycle, he doesn't have that kind of close relationship with perry, and frankly, even if perry does have a close relationship with him, i don't think you take on every position of every person, especially in the religious world, who you associate with. but you know, i'm sure perry will be asked about it and i can't imagine he's going to say anything other than, you know, it's irrelevant. bill: in all likelihood, it could be topic a tomorrow night. i thought, mich ul bachmann, it's not controversial, it won't do anything to boost the economy, okay? >> that's exactly right. again, i don't think that

voters are as concerned this go around as i think they may have been four years ago, with a religion that maybe they saw as exotic or out of mainstream or didn't quite understand. i think romney has been there, he's done that, he's given the speech, and at the end of the day, to nine the extent -- to the extent that religion matters in a campaign, and i think it has a place, is how does it inform your world view, how does it inform your decision making, your leadership, and your policy making. and there's really nothing about the mormon faith that is out of sync with conservative policy issues. perhaps on the theological disputes. >> give me a job, don't give me a bible! susan, karen, thank you to both of you. happy clum baws day. heather: we want to know what you think. also, go to our show page to do that. here's a look so far at some of the results. does religion matter, 56 percent say it does. 14 percent say matters just a little bit, so it combines -- a combined 70 percent say

religion matters in someday -- way, 30 percent say no, it doesn't matter at a all. bill: we'll see where it goes. in a moment, a pastor out of texas that started the controversy. robert jefferds is here live. will he walk down his comments or double down? faith causes clashes between christians and muslims. heather: violence leaving more than two dozen dead. we'll talk to a christian about what he faced in the name of his religion.

>> got about 15 minutes --y awaiting an autopsy of a firefighter who died running in a mayor thorntion william

cavanas was raising money for burn victims, organizers say he collapsed only 500 yards from the finish line yesterday afternoon. hurricane joba gaining strength in the pacific, forecasters saying the wind storm has speeds up to 120 miles an hour and could make landfall in mexico as early as this week. >> a star of the nfl is being called back to complete the remainder of his five year deal, the contract with the military, picahi says he'd like to finish up football before he returns to active service. heather: some homeowners facing foreclosure could soon see their mortgage debt shrink as part of a government proposal stemming from last year's signing scandal involving several lenders. phil keating is live with those details. so millions of americans could see relief from this, right? >> heather, theoretically, this really could end a

massive year after year headache for homeowners. about 6 million estimated to be distressed, in foreclosure situations, or pending, or are eligible to have their mortgage, their primary, their principal that they own reduced. here is one house in southwest miami, plywood on the front door, it was foreclosed upon, underwent eviction and is back on the market, but to keep thieves out, you have the plywood. this is a scene not only in florida but all over the country. one woman in orlando we spoke with yesterday who really expresses all of the pain and frustration is patricia workman. >> i go to bed at night, worrying this house. i wake up in the morning, still worried about this house. and trying so hard to keep this house. i'm fighting so hard to keep my little home. >> reporter: path risch in

workman has been paying mortgage to bank of america but two years ago very simply stopped. that's when her husband died and their income dried up. but there are so many houses on the market sitting abandoned, clearly foreclosed upon and still not being bought up yet and a lot of the critics of the banks and lenders say it's because the banks simply aren't lending money like they once did, but of course, how they once did has got them potentially in trouble. the plan to be worked on a year ago started by all 50 attorneys general, now it's down to 43 attorneys general. the deal would than millions of americans would have their principal reduced in exchange, the banks would be given partial amnesty for penalties, the robo signing scandal, improper lending, the seven states that have backed out, big ones, california, new york, massachusetts, delaware, nevada, kentucky, minnesota. those a.g.s have backed out at this point because they think this deal is too sweet for the banks and a little too sour for the homeowners. >> so they've all backed out. how optimistic are they that this settlement can be reached? >> optimism does remain out

there. this is being spearheaded by a group, a committee, of seven attorneys general led by iowa's tom miller, as well as florida's attorney general pam bony. here's what iowa's attorney general sent out, quote, while attorneys general are free to criticize an agreement that does not yet exist we expect you'll soon see the tanible results of our year long efforts to address improper servicing and foreclosure practices and provide relief to homeowners. exactly how much principal reduction relief could be spread about the country for all of the millions of americans is still being worked on. some haveiminity estimated 20-$25 million. i mean $25 billion. that may be the number. but critics, foreclosure attorneys say that's not nearly enough. >> it is a drop in the bucket. and i don't believe it's worth to deal with the devil to give up our rights to bring the proper actions against the banks. >> reporter: interest rates right now, about 4 percent nationally, or a little under that right now,

but still, so many homes have this situation. it's a nice home, nice condition, ready to go, but no offer to buy it just yet. heather: that is a nice looking home. thank you very much, phil keating reporting for us live, thanks. bill: too much of that going on across the country, huh? >> tiger woods still has a sense of humor. woods was about to putt in the fry's open in california, when a man hurled a half eaten hot dog in woods' direction. woods took it in stride. >> the guy just came running on the green and he had a hot dog, and evidently, i don't know how he tried to throw it, but i was kind of focusing on my putt when he started yelling, when i looked up, the hot dog was already in the air. the -- testify the bun disintegrating. bull bill woods missed the putt, he tied for 30th in that tournament. the hot dog hurler was arrested. heather: it said it was half

eaten. bill: he threw it to the green and the hot dog didn't quite make it. heather: how far did he miss the putt. bill by the width of a hot dog. so was president obama picking sides in a wall street protest? one leading republican says that's the case. brit hume is going to weigh in on the latest fallout on that. don't miss it. >> middle aged, middle class person, and i think it's wrong, too, and i think my government has been captured by special interests and captured by corporations. >> there's a lot of people like me who came out because we wanted to do something. >> i am completely disgusted with our political system and our economic system at the moment. and i've never been so worried about my country, ever.

bill: on a monday morning -- monday morning, a house

republican saying president obama is sowing social unrest, paul ryan sympathy vise -- sympathizing with the wall street protests. >> heather: in atlanta, heavily contribute to go alabama -- >> bill: congressman ryan says the president has failed in his pledge to be a uniter on this issue. >> i think it's troubling. sowing class envy and social unrest is not what we do in america. i think the president is doing that. i think he's preying on the emotion of fear, envy and arrange and that is not constructive to unifying america. i think he's broken his promise as uniter. to me, that's unproductive. political analyst brit hume. >> nice to see you, bill.

i. bill: what do you think paul ryan is saying? >> i would make a different point. this somewhat inchoate that resulted in all this activity down there on wall street and is is, and elsewhere so far, is, i don't think particularly attractive to american centrists, independents, swing voters. mainstream people. this is a left-wing movement and it's, it seems to be driven by kind of a grab bag of left-wing causes. and to the extent the president associates himself with that movement, which, you know, have been scuffles with the police and so on, i think is politically quite risky. bill: risky for the president? >> risky for the president and risky for other democratic politicians who have done so. i think they need to be very careful. they're playing fire. bill: really? how do you think he handled it so far, brit? >> he sort of dipped his toe in the water.

be interesting to see what he says in the days ahead. my sense about these people and most americans look at them and say, there are people who said they quit their jobs to come and join this movement. well, i think a lot of americans would say, you did what? so, i'm not saying that is true of all of them. it is a very mixed bag of individuals there doing this. bill: but the larger point you're making is that independents, those in the middle, are not drawn or attracted to protests like these? >> right. bill: and the president should not attach himself to these protests. otherwise he will alienate people that determine elections and outcomes in 2012? >> exactly. bill: brit, what do you think about the comparisons made, you talked a lot about this yesterday morning, wall street protests with the tea party movement. are these comparisons in your view fair or do they miss the mark? >> well i think, i think they miss the mark. the parallels are these really. there is some objection here

to the bank bailouts. you hear that from these protesters. that seems to be one of the many messages. tea party protesters didn't like the bailouts either. but the tea party protests were i think middle class, mainstream voters who were objecting princely to the -- principally to the massive run-up in government spending and debt that is the message a great many people appreciated and adhered to and the tea party became an important and potent element in the 2010 election cycle by siding with the republican party. in some cases they got their own nominees put in place. many cases those nominees won. a few cases they didn't. a few conspicuous cases but by and large the tea party prove ad huge asset to the republican party. i don't think this group with its inchoate message motley kind of appearance and with its behavior in the streets, sanitation issues

arising and so on, is likely to have anything like the same effect and i don't think it is really comparable. it is not a mainstream message they're communicating. kind of a all purpose, left-wing message. bill: brit, thank you. we'll see whether or not they have staying power and to what extent that staying power lasts. nice to see you. brit hume in washington. >> judy miller, one of our contributors, she lives in that area. he said you go down there ask five people their opinion, why they're there, five of the protesters, you get five different answers. bill: it is private park. they can stay as long as they hold out. we'll see whether the drums continue after 11:00 at night. heather: someone else with her opinion. nancy pelosi throwing her voice behind the wall street protesters saying what is happening in manhattan is makes the america great. >> this is democratic system. we don't all agree. we don't have a king. we don't. we have different views and part of the democracy of our country is the expression that people give and they

constitution guaranties that. heather: pelosi saying that the protesters anger stems from high unemployment which of course remains above 9%. bill: now to 2012. rick perry taking a shot at mitt romney for being rich. the perry campaign releasing this web video. take a look at this. >> i said no such thing. >> i stand by what i wrote. >> doing the same thing for everyone in the country has been delete . >> why if it is good for massachusetts working for massachusetts would you apply to the rest of the country? >> i would. >> romney flip-flopped on some irsays. >> changed my mind. not running for different office. >> we'll end up with nation taking a mandate approach. there are a lot of reasons not to elect me. bill: perry is proud about humble up bringing in texas. he went to a and m what he calls romney's privileged back ground. look for more tonight before

the debate. michele bachmann closed a campaign office in old town, virginia and staff members are moving to other temporary location. this after depart you are it of several campaign workers in several weeks. spokeswoman for the minnesota congresswoman says the minnesota office was not convenient. heather: struggling to find a deal. as the clock ticks down the bipartisan deficit-cutting panel, remember them, established under last summer's budget and debt deal? they remain in deadlock. shocker. they only have to thanksgiving to come up with a way to save a more than a trillion dollars in the next 10 years. kelly wright live for us. kelly, what appears to be the sticking point for the super-committee. >> reporter: heather, appears to be it always has been here in washington that caused gridlock over the past the fact republicans and democrats can't find consensus and they aren't getting along to find an agreement. democrats, for example, want to raise taxes and oppose

cutting entitlement programs. republicans on the other hand want less spending and lower taxes overall. the super-committee being able to reach an agreement before thanksgiving deadline appears to be difficult at best. basically because those who are watching from the outside looking in saying if they want find consensus, if they can't find agreement, there is no way they will make that deadline. one person who believes something can be done is congressman paul ryan. he is head of the house budget committee. while he is not a member of the super-committee, he says perhaps they can find agreement on corporate tax reform. he adds if they do that would be something republicans and white house could agree on. he adds super-committee if they do that would create jobs. speaking of creating jobs that is something that the senate will likely bring up the american jobs act introduced by the president. they will bring that up tomorrow for a vote. >> that, the super committee would need to find a way to save even more money.

that plan calling for $447 billion to create jobs. kelly does that bill even have a chance of being passed? >> reporter: well, look, a lot of people are saying that, no, it does not appear likely and here's why. you have 12 democrats against this plan. all of the republicans are against the plan. that is something that they, the president has not been able to overcome. a lot of the democrats appear to be against it because of the $250,000 tax hike that would be imposed on families earning, i'm sorry, $250,000, those earning over more than that that would be imposed, that tax hike being imposed on them. republicans are against any kind of tax hike. to address that, senate democrat charles schumer last week introduced an alternative plan, adding a 5% surcharge on millionaires only. still republicans are fiercely against it. they say this amounts to nothing more than class war tear. >> number one the math

doesn't work. raising taxes on small businesses doesn't work. not just taxing movie star, baseball player, taxing engine of economic growth, small businesses. if you took income from every millionaire today it would run government for four months. >> they need to explain why they would oppose something that we know would improve our economic situation. if the republicans in congress think they have a better plan for creating jobs right now they should prove it. one of the same independent economists looked at their plan, said their ideas, quote, wouldn't mean much for the economy in the near term. >> reporter: and the president adds independent economists say his plan will work. back to you. >> thank you very much. kelly wright reporting for us live. that deadline, november 23rd, bill. bill: we'll watch that. that is sunday i believe. notre dame plays the day before. religious riots turned deadly in cairo, egypt. [gunfire]

christians shot and killed in the streets and things might get worse today. walid phares, leb ba knees born christian and father john morris, catholic priest tell us what is going on there. heather: the "9-9-9 plan", for fixing the economy taking heat from democrats and republicans alike. is herman cain the only one with what we call a plan? bill: the attack on mitt romney's faith. how it could affect the race. >> everything i said about mormon system true. mormons are good and moral people but they are not a part of mainstream christianity. bill: that pastor joins us live in only three minutes. the postal service is critical to our economy--

delivering mail, medicine and packages. yet they're closing thousands of offices, slashing service, and want to lay off over 100,000 workers. the postal service is recording financial losses, but not for reasons you might think. the problem ? a burden no other agency or company bears. a 2006 law that drains 5 billion a year from post-office revenue while the postal service is forced to overpay billions more into federal accounts. congress created this problem, and congress can fix it.

bill: want to get back to the new fallout from controversial remarks from a pass star out of dallas, texas about presidential candidate mitt romney and his relidge just. he described romney's mormon

faith as a cult. that is mainstream view that mormon system a cult. they ought to embrace a christian over a non-christian. for his part here is how the former massachusetts governor reacted to that. >> poisonous language doesn't advance our cause. it never soften ad single heart and changed a single mind. blessings of faith carry responsibility of civil and respectful debate. bill: what does the pastor think. pastor jeffers from dallas, texas. good morning to you. >> good to be with you. >> mitt romney called this poison. how do you react to that? >> actually i think if you will clarify he was talking about another speaker at that conference. i think ryan fisher who used much more incendiary language n my remarks in introducing governor perry i never used word mormonism or cult or mitt romney. that came afterwards when a reporter asked me personally about my feelings about mormonism. and i said mormon system not

historical christianity. it is a theological cult and i stand by those comments. and by the way --. bill: you don't take them, you don't take back the comments? i just want to be clear. >> i don't take them back at all. in fact, "usa today", this morning, cited a poll of 1,000 protestants pastors who agreed with my position. three out of four agreed with the position, that mormon system not christianity. mormons are not christians. this is no new news. that has been a mainstream view. bill: let me drill down a little bit what your position is and how you define a cult and et cetera. >> yeah. bill: how would you, what meets your definition of a cult first? >> i appreciate you're asking it. i'm not talking about a sociological cult. i'm talking about a theological cult. and mormonism, first of all, was invented 1800 years after jesus christ and the founding of christianity. it has a human leader, versus a divine leader.

joseph smith. they have own set of doctrines apart from christianity and they have their own religious book apart from the bible, the book of mormon. when you have a religion has its human founder, developed 1800 years after christianity and own book of revelation that is theological cult. and i think -- i believe --. bill: i heard that phrase over the weekend a theological cult. that was like the follow-up to this. do you believe mormons go to heaven? >> oh i don't believe anyone goes to heaven in a group. we all go to heaven or hell individually based on what we do with jesus christ. i don't think all baptists are we go be in heaven. i don't believe all catholics will be in heaven. i don't believe all mormons will be in heaven. it is whether we trust in christ personally as our savior. bill: does rick perry understand your position. >> i have no idea. i never discussed mormonism with rick perry. bill: you have not?

>> i have not. he has no idea what i believe at least before i introduced him. i have no idea what he believes. bill: when was the last time you talked to him? or how would you describe your relationship? how close are you to him? >> oh, we're just acquaintances. you know, there are people who would like to try to make me the jeremiah wright of the right or rick perry's jeremiah wright. rick perry certainly never been a member of my oich. we're just acquaintances. bill: the perry campaign did not put up to this? >> oh absolutely not. they had absolutely no idea, they did not invite me to introduce governor perry. that was family research council. bill: did rick perry know the possibility or his campaign have the possibility of what you could say in public? >> oh you would have to speak to them about that. i have no idea. bill: bill bennett, a former reagan official, prominent conservative voice, he said, he is backer of mitt romney too as you probably know. he says that you did rick perry no good in what you

had to say. what do you say to bill bennett. >> i would say two things. first of all, just because i endorse rick perry, i don't expect rick perry to endorse everything i say or believe. and secondly, for bill bennett to call me a bigot because of my religious views, seems to be kind of, being guilty of the same sin which he is accusing me of. you know, bill, it was john jay, the first chief justice of the supreme court who said, quote, we have the duty and privilege as christians to select and prefer christians as our leaders. if i'm a bigot then the first chief justice of the supreme court, john jay is also a bigot. bill: robert jeffers, pastor in dallas, texas. thank you for your time clarifying a few items like this. it is likely to come up tomorrow night when these men meet in a debate. >> thank you, bill. heather: good questions. another state passing a law giving financial break to illegal immigrants. it is the california d.r.e.a.m. act. critics four us why about

it. we'll tell you why. >> if you shag your ball in this water hazard, let it stay there. heather: why? come on. >> hitting the links never been this dangerous. that is golf course. >> it is, only in this place obviously. >> wow!.

♪ . bill: any day you can work in a little jim morseries son into the newscast is a good day, right. you have to wait for the sun if you're a teenager searching for golden glow in the golden state. california says no tanning

beds for minors. governor jerry brown signing a law that bans most teens from the ultraviolet beds, making golden state the first state in the country to do that. maybe the first place in the world to do that. the law bands those between ages 14 and 18 from using the beds. it is designed to protect young people from getting skin cancer. previously the could get the brogez look with parental permission. go to called important and hang out at the beach and ocean. heather: i think they have a couple beaches there. bill: i do believe that still works. maybe. heather: wear your sunscreen. new developments in the solyndra scandal a top gop lawmaker puttings the spotlight the way additional loan guaranties were approved for the now bankrupt solar panel company. this comes on the heels of bombshell e-mails that revealed white house concerns that a possible conflict of interest regarding solyndra. rich edson of the fox business network is live for us in washington. rich, what does this latest

round of e-mails show? >> reporter: heather and obama fund-raiser who later became a top official in the energy department was pushing early in the energy's term on solyndra these e-mails show. administration officials warnedded steve spinner to stay clear of solyndra because his wife's law firm represented now bankrupt solar company. he despite that he said, how hard is this? what is he waiting for. e e-mails expressing frustration with the loan guarantee. one house republican charges the loan guaranty was entirely political. >> solyndra is a story of political interference, picking winners and losers. it says lash schuss because, quite frankly, there were a lot of people giving to president obama's campaign. >> administration official says there is nothing in these e-mails to back up republican charges of crony capitalism, heather. heather: what about changes made to this loan guarantee? the administration reworked the loan. now taxpayers are mostly behind a group of private

investors? >> reporter: that's right. to help save solyndra earlier this year the administration and private investors reworked the company's loan. that agreement moved the u.s. government taxpayers largely behind a group of private investors in case the company went bankrupt. now solyndra is bankrupt and republicans say the newly-released e-mails the treasury department believes the department of energy may have violated the law in reworking this loan. a top treasury official writes this summer, our legal counsel believes the statute and the doe regulations both required the guarantee loans should not be subordinate to any other debt obligation. and that's what happened. when a bankruptcy court breaks apart solyndra and sell it off, taxpayers are mostly reimbursed after these private investors if there is anything left. back to you. heather: lots of questions remain. thank you very much, rich edson reporting for us from washington. bill: we have breaking news in the middle east. several christians shot dead after a full-blown riot unfolds in cairo, egypt.

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heather: undocumented students in california now eligible for thousands of dollars in financial aid. under the dream act, signed by governor jerry -- jerry brown, illegal students on a path to citizenship qualify for state-funded financial aid in 2013. fred wilkes, national director of the league for united latin america citizens and stephen camerata for the center for immigration research joins us now, thank you very much for joining us. >> good morning. >> thank you for having us on. >> bret, you think this is a good idea. my question is, what do you consider, what's your definition of an illegal resident and why do you not think this is taking the money out of legal residents' hands? >> we prefer not to use the

term illegal resident but the truth is people who are on the of status can include lots of individuals across the united states, folks who overstayed visa, who got tripped up by the immigration system and are trying to get their status worked out, anybody who's -- it's kind of like when you're nonstatus with taxes, you technically haven't paid taxes, all the taxes the irs thinks are due. i wouldn't call that person an illegal taxpayer, i'd say that person was out of status. why we think it's a good thing, for the citizens of california, these individuals have come into this country, they've been here pretty much all their lives, worked their way through elementary and secondary education and done really well and positioned to go to college and really have a great impact on the california economy and all we have to do is give them the same opportunity as their peers. that's what the legislature did and the governor signed it. we think it's a great idea. heather: brent, no one is illegal, they're all out of status? >> exactly, no person is illegal. i mean, a lot of people commit different crimes.

we don't call them illegals. we say they've broken the law here or there but labeling somebody as illegal because they've broken one law or another i think that's wrong to do. heather: okay. stephen, what do you think about that, do you agree? >> no, of course. it's silly. look, your question is right on point, this money is being taken away from american citizens and other legal residents so that millions of dollars in financial aid can be given to people who aren't even supposed to be in the country. california doesn't have its own printing press, doesn't have an unlimited supply of money. there are clearly costs to doing this, and to ignore that both makes the rule of law like something you don't care about, and that will encourage more illegal immigration and yeah, it takes the money from law abiding and gives it to those who break the law. hel had -- heather: steve, just to be clear, we're talking about the potential for 2500 students that would qualify, it would be at a cost of 14.5 million, which really is only 1 percent of

the total funding that's provided for the california grant program, that's $1.4 billion. but still, you say every penny counts when you're a legal citizen or of status citizen trying to go to college. >> right. look, i mean, the state's already spending $5,200,000,000 giving m state tuition to illegal aliens, this allows them to apply for a broader host of financial aid packages that the state has. but let's take that number, 2500, that's 2500 legal residents who this money will not be available to, so not only are you conveying that we don't care about the rule of law, but you're actually taking money from legal residents and giving it to people who aren't even supposed to be in the country. and they're illegal aliens, by the way, that's the term in law, it's used in courtrooms around this country, illegal ailens. >> heather: brent, i want to go back to you on this point. -- point. is there any guarantee once these students, they do

graduate, they do have their degrees, will then become a legal or of status citizen in this country and then can contribute to this economy legally? well, certainly not. they're trying to. they have to say that they're in the process of trying to get their legal status, but of course steve's groups is trying to prevent them from getting the status. there's no guarantee, especially if steve has his way, they're going to keep these thumbs under their -- under their thumb as long as possible. the kids didn't break the law. the parents may have brought them in under their status, but even murder ris kids in california get in state tuition, access to scholarships. why we punishing kids whose parents may have broken a misdemeanor law in california when those same folks are working hard in nine field -- in the fields, growing our food, building our homes, they're taking care of our kids, they're cleaning our houses, and all they want is for their children to have the opportunity, same opportunity that every other child in california has, and

look, it's only 1 percent. very few of them are going to make it to the point where they can get a scholarship to go to aical public institution. so very few are getting that money. and the fact is that the amount of money their parents are contributing to this california economy dwarfs by far, dwarfs what they're getting -- if anything is unfair it's the people on the higher end are getting more from the scholarships and in state tuition than the folks at the lower end of the income scale. so if anybody is getting cheated out of this, it's the low income californian, not the high income ones. heather: steve, i have to give you the last word, then we have to wrap up. >> the research shows illegal aliens come nowhere clear enough to pay in taxes the consumption of public services. this just adds a little more insult to the injury. bottom line, these kids are illegally in the country, so the argument that somehow california is building its work force -- and remember, the money comes from legal residents who now won't be able to get this aid. the idea that it builds

california's work force makes no sense because these individuals can't join the work force. so what is the state doing, even on its own terms, doesn't make sense. it takes money from illegal residents and people who aren't allowed to work in this state as it is. ht health we appreciate it, we have to wrap it up, but gentlemen, thank you for joining us. >> thank you for having me. bill: to the trail we go, 2012, presidential president -- presidential constant date herman cain brings up the 999 plan in every interview, that is his platform on sunday. >> one thing i want to make sure i get across about the # 99 plan. first, we throw out the existing tax code, and then impose the 9 percent corporate tax, 9 percent personal income tax, and the 9 percent sales tax. nine hundred ninety-nine will grow this economy. it's definitely going to create jobs. it's revenue-neutral. bill: democrats opponents slamming the plan, getting

it from the right and the left. stephen moore, good morning to gliew hi bill, great to be with you. bill: i guess you're doing something right if you're hit from both sides. is that the way the saying goes? if neither side likes it? >> i think herman cain has by far the boldest plan of any presidential candidate in the republican party and much more bold than what president obama is proposing. i don't like everything about the plan. we wrote somewhat critically about it last week, saying what made us nervous about the plan, bill, is the idea of adding a 9 percent sales tax on top of the income tax. that's sort of the more europe model where you have income and national sales taxes at the same time. but i will say this, if you can get those tax rates on corporations and small businesses down to 9 percent, that would be like rocket fuel for this economy. bill: you think that's a winner. so the business flat tax would be 9 percent, the individual flat tax, 9 percent, national sales tax would be 9 percent. the left is saying that lower and middle income families would pay more, the right is coming out and says

democrats would have a brand new tax stream to squeeze out more revenue and mitoo and you might start at 9 percent but some say it would go to 19 percent quickly under a democratic congress. right? >> one point that a lot of people are missing when they say it's going to hurt poor people, because let's focus on that, that's one of the biggest complaints in herman's plan. don't forget, bill, this plan as herman cain said it, it blows up the whole tax system and completes it over, and one of the things it blows up is the payroll tax which as you know, every worker, you and i and every person in america, whether you're earn $200,000 or $20,000 a year, you're paying that on essentially a 15 percent tax. herman cain gets rid that and his point is, i think there's a lot of truth to that, if you get rid of that payroll tax, you're easing the burden on low income people, not increasing it. bill: and in that accepts, is it a wash math mat -- in that sense is it a wash

mathematical? >> the truth is we haven't seen good numbers and i've been pressing the cain campaign, show us your numbers, show us how it adds up in terms of raising as much revenue as the current system. we're waiting for those numbers and as herman cain is becoming a first tier -- first tier cannate, the debate is coming up this week, i think he has to be more specific about how the numbers add up because that's the wig question economists are asking. bill: romney has a 57-point plan, gingrich add one out some time ago. what's rick perry doing? >> first of all, let me say there was a front page "washington post" story today that said the republicans are not being specific about what they want to do on the economy. i thought that was nonsense. as you just said, romney has a 57-point plan. some people are complaining about it being too specific about what he wants to do, herman cain has 999, my good next newt gingrich who a -- wrote a whole book on his economic plan. they're not -- the criticism is unfair.

but i will say this, my one big criticism of a republican candidate, they're not talking enough about how they would bring this decifit down and what programs they would cut, how they would fix these entitlement programs. they've been kind of mute object that -- on that issue. bill: fair point. perry is out later this week we do believe and when that happens we'll bring you on back, snok. >> that's going to be critical because he's had a bad two weeks and this is his big chance to get back in this race. don't forget, bill, texas has no income tax. that's his big advantage. i wouldn't be surprised if he comes out with something really bold on taxes, too. bill: stephen, thanks, we'll wait for that out of the "wall street journal". heather, what's coming up next? heather: christians shot dead in egypt for protesting violence against christians. we'll talk to someone who knows what it's like to be a nonmuslim in a predominantly muslim country. bill: also a skydiving trip turning into a tragedy. what went wrong here? >> the first time the student jumped, the instructor has over 30 years, and he's got

11,000-plus jumps. this appears to be a very tragic event that occurred for somebody for their first jump. we've never had any issues before. this is our first accident of any time since i've been in this department.

heather: a skydiving accident leaving two dead in nevada, police say an experienced strurkt and his student were killed after problems with their parachute. >> what appeared to go wrong was that his main parachute did not fully deploy and it appeared he attempt to cut that away and go to his auxillary chute. >> both hit the runway at the airport only a few yards from where they were supposed who land. bill: a dangerous scenario unfolding at the moment in cairo, egypt, burning cars, dead bodies in the streets. this is just some of the images. these are just some of the images we've taken into our

newsroom thus far, clashes erupting between muslims and christians only hours after 24 people were shot and killed by the military police, after protesting an attack on a coptic christian church. father jonathan moore is a catholic priest, fox news contributor, waleed faris a is a fox news contributor that beirut, lebanon. it is almost nightfall, waleed. what's happening, when you consider 10 percent of the egyptian population is coptic christian? >> we're talking about 15 million inside egypt with 2 million around the world, half a million in the united states, who are from coptic background. these are the native population of egypt that have been under suppression for a very long time, but the whole collapse of the mubarek regime, and the arab spring, those christians would be recognize as -- recognized as full citizens. that was the cat -- that was

not the indicate, the churches have been under attack and when they organized a demonstration yesterday and the day before it was met with lethal force from the army. yes, the coptics have burned a number of cars in reaction but more than 60 people killed, it doesn't like like the arab spring going well in egypt. bill: there's a moment quoted as saying the military knows what it's doing, it's trying to start a civil war. father morris, as you point out to our producers, this is no small matter, 183 wounded, perhaps that number has gone to 200 by now. the salafi school of islam is at the heart of this in your view. explain that. >> sure. we don't know for sure who started this. there are so many different theories right now, whether it's the salafi men dressed in plainclothes who were working together with the military or whether it was the coptic christians acting out in a way they should not have. so really, that doesn't matter at this point right now, bill. we talk about the arab spring, and the western world, the united states, in

defense to the uprising, now the question is are we serious about wanting religious liberty to be in a central element of freedom in the middle east, and now, it's not just a question of words and putting out press statements, are we going to send enjoys -- invoices, are we going to make a very clear message to this military transitional government that there is no such thing as freedom without protecting the 10 percent cap tick christians who are living in that territory right now. bill: who gives voice to that? >> it needs to be first of all, all of us who unable religious liberty speaking up, the media making sure they're covering this, not js a side thing that's happening, but then it has to go into our highest levels of government and saying we will not support a government that protects our interest, that does not

include true religious liberty and bringing to task people who are requiring christians to take crosses off the facades of their churches, taking down the builds, not allowing them to fix their churches and then tearing down the tragedy that we're seeing on the streets of kay re. bill waleed, we don't know what the next government will even look like in egypt and many people thought they were getting something very promising last spring, and perhaps that's the case, but the a the moment, how explosive could this become? >> very much. you know, as you mentioned, the government, the next one coming, in the beginning of this revolt, if you recall, in january, it was really young men and women, facebook people, the liberal, quote unquote of egypt, the men, women and students who started this, but with the muslim brotherhood, and the salafists and other regimes came back and are now forming a coalition with the military council and we are

funding a lot of that, sending billions of dollars to the military of egypt to block the rise of democracy and now they're going to rush for elections. not everybody is org need and ready for it and the muslim brotherhood may carry it. >> father jonathan morris, thank you for coming in, waleed faris, great to see you. thank you gentlemen. heather: here's gregg jarrett with what is coming up on happening now. gregg, haven't seen you since yesterday! >> yes, a few hours ago! heather, good to see you. "happening now", several of the republican candidates for president converging on new hampshire today. so we're going to take a much closer look at this key battle ground state and a couple of others. with the economy suffering, the president's poll numbers sinking, why haven't we seen a bigger shakeup of his strategic team? we'll take a closer look at that. plus awaiting word on new subpoenas to be issued in the fast & furious scandal and new and worrisome signs on the u.s. economy. so we'll see you back here, "happening now", in a few

minutes. heather: and we'll tune in. thank you very much, gregg. she has been missing for a week, a ten month old baby vanishing from her crib, police now trying to recreate what may have happened to lisa ir wane. bill: hazard doesn't even come close to describing a hole on this golf course. not even close. >> first time i ever saw him, some men were feeding him, and it was just like jaws coming up out of the water.

>> bill: name it. heather: jaws. bill: do not go looking for your golf ball on this hole, don't bother, folks. brisbane, australia, those are bull sharks!

yeah, they're apparently thriving on the 14th hole at the carbrook golf club. listen to the ladies. >> it's nearly this close! bill: that was right on cue. heather: it looks fake. bill: the sharks were washed into the lake during heavy flooding, what the waters receded, they were trapped. they're still there. heather: sharks on a golf course, like snakes on a plane! neither belong there. big brothers, big sisters, volunteers, have made a big difference in so many lives and now they're launching a new problem on a military base to help some very special people. we're talking about the children of service members deployed overseas. casey stegall, live in los angeles with more on this story. hi casey. >> reporter: hey good morning, heather. we honor our troops clearly and the sacrifices they make, but the reality is it's not just the troops on the flients making

sacrifices. families are as well, and now some military kids are getting some much needed help to cope with the loneliness. >> we afternoon hear about the casualties of war. but the troops on the battlefield are not the only ones injured. >> the children are really the often forgotten victims of war, and this has been going on for ten years now, and multiple deployments has taken a toll on the kids. >> 70 years ago, big brothers, big sisters began hearing from military spouses at camp pendelton, asking for mentors and operation bigs was borne, helping thousands of military kids from san diego deal with unique challenges. >> my dad has been deployed ten times. it was like we were kind of used to it, but we also, like we cried. >> studies show children whose parents are sent to war often suffer in school and have trouble with social skills. >> although they are very resilient, they are still

children, and i think what happens in general is there's a distraction for them. >> the bigs spend one hour a week after school with the kids, playing games or just hanging out. for these youngsters and the bigs, that hour has made a world of difference. >> i've seen children that have changed in amazing ways. >> it tells me it's worth believing in myself and myself-esteem. >> i don't plan on stopping soon. i sign my e-mails now big brother for life. >> the volunteers, by the way, range from college kids to grandparents and we salute them. heather. heather: thank you very much, casey stegall, thanks. bill: indeed we do, huh? nice story. sir paul is off the market, did you know that? the secret nuptials, and why the location was so special. >> ♪ >> ♪ all you need is love. >> ♪ >> ♪ >> ♪

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