gregg:. >> for paul mccartney three times is charm. he tied the knot at the same registry office where he fed his first wife, linda in 1969. linda died of breast cancer. >> congratulations to them. >> happy columbus day. >> "happening now" starts right now. bye. >> there is no rest for the traders on wall street. take a look at the dow the dow is up 260 points. there is some buying going on. some assurances coming from european leaders they have a plan to deal with debt. debt for sovereign naicses like greece but also debt in their banking system as well. so those assurances adding confidence to traders today. markets are up more than 250 points. we'll have more on that throughout the day here on fox news.

jenna: so much better to start with the markets up rather than down, right? gives you a different feeling. gregg: great way to start the week, isn't it. jenna: glad you're with us. i'm jenna lee. gregg: i'm gregg jarrett in for jon scott. we're getting new details on the missing missouri baby lisa irwin. investigators recreating the alleged kidnapping scene at the girl's home over the weekend. police now say parents are cooperating. steve brown live in chicago with the latest. steve? >> reporter: there is activity related to this case and that is a good sign. we're just not hearing reports from police about any new good leads in the case of this missing 10-month-old. police were seen as you pointed outgoing in and out of a bedroom window at the irwin home. this links up with some of the first information that the police had to work with when the 10-month-old was reported missing last tuesday. a bedroom window where lisa irwin was reported unlocked.

this is a examination of a abduction scenario. family members spent their day or at least a portion of it at the nearby kansas speedway distributing flyers to the nascar fans. 80,000 turned out for the race. generally folks coming to these races head in from all directions. the family spent a portion of the day distributing flyers to race fans in hopes of drumming up new information on the disappearance. it does appear lisa irwin's parents are again communicating with police. late last week police reported parents stopped cooperating with investigators. we're told by the police they're back in touch with the parents. a cousin of debra bradley tells "the kansas city star" the couple is scaling back media interviews to focus on developing leads in the case. one of the things that reporters have questions about down there is story circulating at least in the neighborhood that police have not yet confirmed there is something of a neighborhood handyman that works on things around the homes in that particular

neighborhood who hasn't been seen around lately. so police expected to be asked about that pretty early on in the day. back to you in new york. gregg: steve brown live in chicago. steve, thanks very much. jenna: fox news is america's election headquarters and mitt romney coming under fire today over his stance on health care reform. the rick perry camp releasing a fiery new web ad comparing romney's reform push as massachusetts governor to president obama's sweeping health care reform law. chief political correspondent carl cameron joins us from washington with more. carl, why this tough new attack from the perry campaign? >> reporter: rick perry has a long history of being a very bare knuckle candidate particularly when he falls behind in the polls he can be quite tough. this is web video. this is not tv ad. he is not spending money to put it out but will set the tone what many believe will be beginnings of rick perry

seriously aggressive attack on the national frontrunner mitt romney. romney leads in the polls. romney is under fire and romney as the frontrunner has a big debate in must-win state of new hampshire at dartmouth college. all the candidates will go there. he is accustomed to taking center of attention and taking a lot of heat. perry has seen him fall very, very far in the national polls and taking a bit of a hit in polls in south carolina and iowa. he has never been particularly strong in the first in the nation primary state new hampshire this video pounds romney passing a health care plan in mass pass with a mandatory requirement. compares that to obamacare and rips into romney as a flip-flopper. listen to. >> romney flipped flop on so many issues. >> changed my mind. not running for difficult office. end up with a nation taking mandate approach. there are a lot reasons not to elect me. >> it is 60 seconds. heavily produced. probably toughest attack come out against romney for his health care proposal.

60 seconds is perfect length to go on television. perry campaign done this two weeks in a row putting together videos perfect for television and expect to see them on television. perry will be his attempt to set the stage for the debate tomorrow. as we're three months from the first votes now. time for the gloves to come off. looks like they're pulling them off right now. jenna: we'll see if it translates into some numbers. meantime thank you very much, carl cameron in d.c. today. gregg: now, jenna, to the current president and calls for him to clean house, get rid of some of his political and economic advisors because of sinking poll numbers. take a look at this. the new "washington post" poll puts his approval rating at a new career low of 42 percent while his disapproval rating is at a brand new high of 54%. but president obama is vowing to stand by his team, even reportedly taking a few aides aside and giving them a pep talk, telling them, he has no plans to shake up his

staff. is that a good or a bad strategy? joining us to talk about it, david drucker, staff writer for rollcall. this began when james carville, bill clinton's top strategist wrote a column he advised if the president wants to survive he has to fire people. here it is. for god's sake, why are we still looking at the same political and economic advisers that got us into this mess? it is not working. now we hear the president reportedly telling his staff, don't worry about it, heads are not going to roll. i will stick with you guys. is that a mistake? >> i don't think so. i think that, you know we always hear about this when presidents are having trouble with voters, when their approval ratings are down. their supporters or at least people that want to see them succeed because they're in the same party blame it on the staff and say fire this one and fire that one as though that is going to solve the problem. really the president is the boss. the president sets the agenda and usually staff is in charge of carrying out

the president's agenda. and so in this case, if vote remembers unhappy with about the barack obama's economic performance, if they're unhappy with his economic agenda, it is not because of staff. it is because they're unhappy with him. i think the president is first of all right to stick by his staff because they're not the problem. and two, i know might make people feel better to think the problem is staff because that's simple but at the end of the day this administration will rise and fall with the boss. gregg: yeah. but you know what? if i can argue with you a little bit, david. >> sure. gregg: history would dispute what you're saying. for example, bill clinton, famously fired some top advisers and it worked for him. he won re-election. ronald reagan, going all the way back then, he cleaned house. and even george w. bush, of course dismissed donald rumsfeld when the iraq war turned sour. but valerie jarrett, who served this president, long-time friend and senior advisor says, you know what? it is not his style. he will stick with these

folks. what are you hearing on the hill? are democrats especially those in the u.s. senate, sort of grumbling and saying boy, that's a mistake? >> well, gregg, irfirst i want to say my memory with reagan is little fuzzy because i was a little young but in the other cases that you mentioned, the president made a decision to change course a bit. president clinton moved to the center after 1994. he won re-election as a pragmatic centrist democrat compromising with republicans. george w. bush got rid of rumsfeld after the 2006 elections but he made a change of course in iraq and in terms of strategy and it made sense to go to bob gates. so i'm not saying it would do no good for the president to fire staff. what i'm saying unless the president wants to change course, simply changing staff is not going to make a difference. on the hill i can tell you there's a lot of concern among democrats about the president's political performance because they know that at the end of the day in 2012 their fate is primarily tied to his and so i know there is some

grumbling up there. there has been some grumbling in the senate amongst democrats on the president's jobs bills. they think they figured out a way to solve the problems with the military surtax. clearly the president has his critics. i want to point out, unless the president changes course there is no reason to bring on new staff, i am clearly older than you. i remember it as yesterday. >> didn't mean that. gregg: got rid of don reagan and brought in james baker amid the iran-contra scandal. it turned his numbers around. in terms of numbers that "washington post" poll was revealing in two different ways. look at this. a majority of americans, 55% believe barack obama will be a one-term president and only 37% think he will get a second term. the key pay be, david, independent voters only a roughly a third give him positive marks. 67% of the independents disapprove the way the president is handling his

job. how might that change? in other words, how can he claw his way back? >> people can get jobs. unless the unemployment rate starts to go down month over month and people feel the economy and country are headed in the right direction there is very little the president can do to get back in the good graces of voters. at the end of the day only way he wins re-election in environment like this for people to be so down on the republican presidential nominee, to have so little faith in that person's ability to do the job that they stick with the horse they have. gregg: all right. david drucker we'll later compare our birth certificates. good to see you as always. >> good to see you too, gregg. gregg: "roll call." thanks very much. jenna: gregg, we'll turn now to this fox news alert. al qaeda confirming news we already reported to you about a week and a half ago. death of american-born cleric. al-awlaki. this confirmation comes with a new warning. al qaeda in the arabian peninsula vowing to avenge

the death of man on your screen and others. another big story coming out of the middle east as well. egypt the death toll rises there. 30 six people having been killed. at least 200 others wounded in some of the worst violence since egypt's uprising back in february. this all began after christian church was attacked sparking local protests there. now there are reports of violent mobs roaming the streets with few people, if any, to stop them. leland individualer is live in jerusalem with more on the story. leland? >> reporter: hi, jenna, that is the big problem. there is nobody to stop these mobs the military there largely allowed it to become a lawless country that has been what is happening for the coptic christians. these are coptic christians marching to downtown cairo after one of their churches were burned. how did this all start? they have always been under threat but after mubarak left office the muslim

extremists who have been persecuting some of these attacks have been allowed to do whatever they want almost unchecked there in that country. not only are we seeing the coptic issue muslim issue rising but the coptic military issue. they said they are not protecting them when they came out initially to support the military. you're seeing anger on the streets. coptics have had ears chopped off and number about of women raped with impugn at this by extremists inside egypt. for 30 years under mubarak he is rule the christians had a lot of protection. they don't anymore under this new military juhnta in this country. we're hearing battles in country. we're hearing of mobs outside some big hospitals in cairo. not only that a coptic christians are supposed to bury their dead. these funerals could be a

flashpoint. the looming date is november 28th. that's when we have the egyptian election. the military has been pushing elections back and back and back. they have real fear the muslim brotherhood will win the elections the question do they push the elections back again because of this latest round of violence or do we have the election, something a result of which the coptics are sure to like. jenna: a lot to this story, leland. thank very much. that is the big question, what is the ultimate effect of the arab spring and what does it mean for a company country once we called our greatest ally in the middle east. gregg: history is still being written. i realize when i was referencing ronald reagan. i mentioned he got rid of don reagan, brought in james baker. he brought in howard baker. jenna: see the birth certificate. you sure you were around? i. gregg: i go back to the taft administration. at any rate, their boat capsized and they had no life vest. how seven people including a

4-year-old child survived for 20 hours at sea. we have their dramatic story. plus brand new developments in the 10-year-old investigation, why clues have been ignored by the fbi.

jenna: welcome back, everyone. right now some new information on some of the top crime stories we're following for you today. starting off with this one. trial of accused underwear bomber, farouk abdulmutallab begins tomorrow. he already confessed to attempting to blow up the detroit-bound flight in christmas 2009. his case will continue. we're awaiting to learn the identity after body found in a jeep belonging to a missing washington state man, david jones pedder send. he is missing last month. at the same time his wife was found dead in their home. police arresting his own son, david joseph pedder send. and his girlfriend, holly

grigsby. neither has been charged at this time. three sign tights -- scientists behind the anthrax investigations. they say clues were ignored. chemical sig nurse in the anthrax were never looked at and that the fbi may have pursued the wrong suspect. we'll continue to follow that story. gregg: dramatic rescue and amazing story of survival as seven people including a 4-year-old child tread water unbelievably, 20 hours off the florida keys after their boat capsized and they were left without any life vests. rick leventhal live in our new york city newsroom with nor. rick? >> gregg, we've gotten more details on the survivors who spent a full day and night in rough waters off the florida keys. all of them suffered jellyfish burns. most had hype theerm yaw. the 4-year-old girl had it the worst. according to the u.s. coast guard a group of eight people set off on pleasure cruise in the florida keys in a 22 open fishing boat.

some in the group were related. a couple had just come from cuba a couple months ago. none of them spoke english. in noon saturday a storm brought heavy rain and rough seas capsizing their boat off marathon key, midway between key largo and key west. an 80-year-old woman went under the ordeal and never surfaced. her son was among the other seven who spent 20 hours treading water. at 8:00 the next morning they were spotted by a commercial fisherman. they were clinging to the capsized craft. a good samaritan picked them up. they called the coast guard for a search for the others. the other group was spotted 4 miles away. three women and 4-year-old girl clinging to floating cooler. none were wearing life jackets calling it pretty amazing they were able to tread water in the rough seas. the salvage company recovered capsized boat. their names have not been released and the incident is still under investigation.

gregg: i don't know how they do that it is truly an amazing story. >> it is. gregg: thank you, rick. jenna: concerns over u.s. cybersecurity. we'll tell you about a computer virus affecting one of the most deadly and popular military tools, our country's drone fleet. the potential danger facing our military just ahead.

gregg: we're getting some disturbing new reports coming in about a stubborn computer virus that is hitting the nation's drone fleet. according to wired magazine, this virus is logging pilot keystrokes as they remotely fly missions over afghanistan and other war zones and so far security specialists say the virus is resisting all efforts to get rid of it, to wipe it out. joining me now, former cia and department of homeland

security official, co-founder and managing principle of the chertoff group, chad sweet. always good to see you. it is recording keystrokes of the pilots in these drone systems does that mean the hackers can actually gain or, steal intel and surveillance information collected by these drones? >> it does not indicate that they could steal surveillance information. it does indicate that they could obtain information on how those in the system operate. and as you can imagine that's extremely concerning. but let's keep in mind the following. number one, these systems are extremely secure. they're among the highest secured in the world. two, when you look at this particular incident we have seen that audits have been done. no information was actually ex-filtrated from these systems. it is something we're looking at very closely and you said the virus is proving to be somewhat resistant. gregg: chad, i assume somebody had to put the virus in there. i referred a moment ago to

hackers. correct me if i'm wrong about that. if these systems are so secure the predator or drone or reaper drones then how is this done. >> great question. i have no specific information that such as breach has occurred if it did i would say number one, that it's possible that it was espionage but more likely there are two roads of ingress this could have incurred in. first these are complex systems. they integrate of multiple layers of middle ware and software outside the government. somehow a trojan horse got through that way. the second option is called air gaps where even though the system is closed and someone took a thumb drive and gapped between the network and physical outside world t does highlight the need for dod to reevaluate its policies towards particularly latter scenario which is the thumb drive. gregg: what is the military doing to protect information gathered by drones? >> gregg, what they will do is crack down on the use of thumb drives which candidly

is a little surprising they were leting this happen. it is how we got burned in wikileaks. it is how we got burned back in 2009. i will say that, men and women are resorting to what i call, sneaker net and taking physical drives and walking them over to different networks because they don't have enough infrastructure or bandwidth and they have to get the resources. we need to fund men and women in military. in this time of budget cutting i would suggest congress be careful specifically maintaining cybersecurity funding for our men and women. gregg: very quickly, does this underscore in your mind, yes, we are still, the united states is still vulnerable to cyber terror and sabotage? >> absolutely. we have some of the most security networks. as we've seen whether it is lockheed martin or the united states department of defense, these cyber threats continue to threaten us and it also it a threat for our private sector infrastructure providers. as outgoing secretary bill lindh said, we've got to

make sure in the time of budget cuts we don't be a penny-wise and a pound foolish. gregg: well-said. chad sweet, of the chertoff group. thanks very much. >> thank you. jenna: you don't think about drones, right? gregg: it could wreak havoc on our financial systems. compromise intelligence. give aid to the eni. you have to worry about that stuff. jenna: if we worry about that how about this we have a hurricane coming. the hurricane is turning into a major storm and it could get bigger before it hits land. you look at the radar always looks pretty big, doesn't it. gregg: sure does. jenna: we'll go to the live weather center. this is big story. a desperate search for baby lisa nearly a week old right now. we have brand new developments in the case. who the parents are reaching out to. plus how police are handling this investigation, next.

jenna: welcome back, everyone. hurricane jova, gaining strength as it churns towards mexico. the storm could get even stronger as it gets closer to land. we have the maria molina in the fox weather center. >> not only do we have hurricane jova but there is another tropical system that could develop before landfall and tropical storm irwin. we're talking about three areas of low pressure we're tracking but the most implement concern is

hurricane jova. category 3 storms with sustained winds of 125 miles per hour as latest advisory by the national hurricane center. across western portions of country mexico. dangerous surf across the water and strong wind in excess of 125 34ir7s and a lot of miles per hour. heavy rain of five to 10 ins. locally 10 to 15 inches of rain. we're looking at concern for flash flooding and dangerous mudslides. once the storm goes further inland we're expecting it to gradually weaken once it gets cut off from its water supply. as you look at it looks very impressive and very well-organized storm. it is not a huge storm but nonetheless very powerful and very dangerous. further off to the west you have tropical storm irwin, not anywhere close as impressive as jova. further off to the east we're looking at another area of low pressure that has about a 50% of chance of developing into a named storm system as we head into

the next 48 hours. over florida we had a lot of activity over the weekend. some spots of the state picked up to 10 inches of rain or even more across areas of south florida. at the miami airport, this area of low pressure has 10% chance, not very high. still looking at this storm system for possible development into a tropical system. we don't think the area of low pressure out here into florida could develop anything. we'll keep an eye further off to the e east where open water has a lot of moisture and a lot of rotation. some heavy rain is coming down across thorn portions of florida georgia and south carolina. some of the rain is beneficial. we're looking up to four or more inches of rain in central georgia and southern portions of south carolina. jenna, guess where the storm is headed? to the northeast by wednesday. jenna: keeping you busy this time of year. maria molina thank you very much. gregg: the idea of taxing

the rich to tackle massive government debt gaining ground across europe. a number per of high-profile super wealthy public fixes speak out in favor of higher taxes or a one-time surcharge. but the move is not without critsticks. -- critics. greg palkot is live in london with more on that. >> reporter: there are a lot of wealthy people in europe and there are a lot of money woes so some of the rich people are taking a cue from warren buffett, president obama and others while the average upper tax rate here is higher than the u.s., a little bit more than 40%, it is not already, not always paid. there is something like 16 billionaires in france speaking out. the head of the ferrari company in italy and over in germany some 50 millionaires are saying that they will pay more in case of germany for example, a 5% surcharge over two years. we spoked to one of those germans and he said it was the just thing to do. but, gregg, here in the u.k., they are already paying

more. the upper tax rate is 50% here. that was instituted last year by the old labour government at that time. the government said it should bring in something like $4 billion annually. but now, they are, critics saying that perhaps it could end up costing the government due to tax avoidance. due to a slowdown it in investment. we're hearing here a phrase that is being said also in the united states, that this could be a job-killer. we heard that from a guy named luke johnson. he is an entrepreneur who has created thousands of jobs in his businesses restaurants and other things here. here is little bit what he had to say. >> you will get fewer startups, fewer jobs created. which means more people on unemployment and less people i paying tax. and again would argue that is bad economics. >> reporter: the conservative-led government here right now, gregg, is in fact trying to lower that tax rate. but now they're saying they

won't do it until at least the year 2013. making wealthy pay less for taxes in this climate, a politically difficult thing to do. back to you. gregg: on the thames, greg palkot. thanks very much. >> fbi and local law enforcement in missouri are stepping up the search for a 10-month-old baby, lisa irwin. you're seeing photos of her on your screen here. she has been missing nearly a week as police in kansas city say her parents are now cooperating with investigators. there was a mixed report whether they were or they were not but apparently now they are. joining me a retired fbi agent. you say this is very unusual case. why is that? >> well a week has gone by almost and at this point in time usually you have some break, something has turned up which leads to a resolution of the case. we have had a lot of kidnapping cases in kansas city and you always hope for the best but generally in this interim a week, something happens. it hasn't happened yet in

this case. there have been some twists and turns as well. jenna: what are the strange twists and turns that have caught your eye? >> the police came out and said the parents were not cooperating last week. that is very unusual situation. i have never seen that happen before. their version of cooperation is probably different than what the parents version of cooperating. so but now it seems like they are talking to police again and that's a good sign. jenna: what is the difference in cooperation? one would think everyone understands what it is to cooperate or not. >> right. i think at that point in time though i think the questioning may have been focused on the parents and if the questions were focused on them and they didn't want to talk. the police version of cooperation is, you answer any questions we pose to you. jenna: right. that's understandable. drawing on your experience, jeff, what's the difference in an investigation when you're looking into a missing infant versus a missing child to a missing person? are there drastic differences that happen when you're looking at each case? >> well, basically you're

looking at the motive. who would want to take an infant? someone that maybe can't have a in about by for themselves and steal an infant because they want to keep the baby make it their own. we've had that happen before. someone kidnapped as an adult may be held for ransom. maybe there is some other crime involving that. a child of this age is neural. what's the motive? not many people take a 10-month-old child. the motive is the key there. unless you determine what the motive is it is really hard to find out who might be responsible and lead you to a suspect. jenna: we've seen video of the police trying to reenact, sneaking in a window in the house and did it very visibly in the public eye. you can see how tough of a time they were having getting in and out of that window. what do you make of that? >> i think a reenactment is a good thing and will lead you to what is possible and what is impossible. maybe the size of the person that could have gotten in the window. how they would do it if they needed help doing that.

if they would have left footprints or left any other evidence. those things are all determined when you do a reenactment like that. so i think it can be very useful. jenna: what would you do next. >> make sure the case continues to be in the public eye. you want to know who to call and if they should find any information or come across any leads in the case. i know that is happening right now. if that baby was taken and to another part of the country, there might be somebody watching the news that can generate a lead there. so keep it in the public eye and keep putting, you know, looking at the case, the forensic evidence and spreading out from that area to see if there is any forensic evidence in the general vicinity that may also lead to the solution of the case. jenna: jeff, real quick here. what is your gut on this? what is your gut check? >> you know, oh, i don't know. i don't want to accuse anyone in this case. i really hope there is a good resolution to this and i'm really not going to, i

rather not say what my gut is right now. jenna: that is wise. we don't want to speculate right now, with a missing child nearly a week old. there is the number on the screen if anyone knows anything. there have been a few leads but nothing obviously yet to really give police any indication where this little baby is. jeff, really appreciate your expertise. thank you so much. >> you're welcome. gregg: kansas city police are among the best. they're so good. i worked with them before on other case. >> that is reassuring to hear. gregg: really skilled, very smart. we hope for the best. one of the deadliest foodborne outbreaks is getting worse. the number of listeria cases linked to canteloupes grows across the country. why it is not slowing down even though the tainted fruit was pulled off the store shelves weeks ago. her husband gave his life for our country. one of the nave s.e.a.l.s killed in the chopper crash in afghanistan this summer. his widow worn his wedding ring ever since. now it has vanished. she is here live to tell you

how you can help, next.

gregg: right now, some new info on some stories we're watching from across the u.s. and around the world all from inside our krool control room. there it is. a the death toll rising from the deadly outbreak of listeria in can't hopes. 120 killed and 109 sickened across 23 states. a national guard member injured in a shooting rampage at a nevada ihop tying the knot this month. sergeant caitlin kelly said her priorities totally changed after the shooting that killed three other guardsmen. harsh punishment for a actress in iran. a court sentencing her to a year in prison plus 90 lashes just for appearing in a controversial film on artist oppression in iran. jenna: follow-up now to a story we first told you about last week on "happening now.". kimberly vaughn is desperately searching for a lost wedding ring. and what makes her story so

special to us she is the widow of a navy s.e.a.l., aaron vaughn, who was killed in that helicopter incident in afghanistan in august. she is appealing to all of us, to the public to help her find this missing wedding ring and kimberly, we're hopeful and that is one of the reasons why we wanted to have you on so we can find this ring and help you find it. let's talk a little bit where and when did you lose it? let's start there. >> absolutely. i was in texas about a week and a half ago visiting family, trying to get a little r&r. i was traveling with my father and two children and on the way back, returning to the d.c. area from george bush intercontinental, through charlotte, to d.c., i realized that the ring was gone. i was flying on us airways october 1st and i know i did not take it off at security checkpoints, but somewhere between those flights and a layover in the charlotte airport terminal c i lost

the ring. jenna: have you contacted the airlines? have they gone through the planes? >> absolutely. when i noticed it on the second flight from charlotte to d.c., i stopped the steward. even let me stay on the plane after everyone disembarked. took the seatses apart. he was very, very helpful. i've had people from the car rental place, thrifty car rental. they took pictures of them, even taking the car apart to look for this ring. so, i've had a lot of outreach and since i used social media to spread the word, i have had a lot of people trying to help. jenna: we have your facebook page up on our "happening now" website as we so people can link to it and get a closer look at the ring. is there anything that would distinguish the ring? we're seeing pictures of it on the screen. it looks platinum. is there anything in particular that is special about the ring besides the obvious of course? >> it is a white gold with a brushed finish. it has kimberly engraved on

the inside. it is very, very faint because it is almost worn away but, again, it is not of huge monetary value but, to me it is just something tangible that i can hang on to remind me of aaron and my love and commitment towards one another. i'm hoping for a good samaritan can return it. jenna: look, we're hopeful. we're going to stay on this story, kimberly because it is going to show up somewhere. what has been the response on your facebook page to this? >> well, i really have been amazed. it seems to have snowballed. there are almost 12,000 people that have liked the page. i've had several, several people e-mail me. make recommendations who to contact. and, just recently, this morning i had someone in us airways say that they're going to try to track the flights. i've had someone from pawn shops putting out a kind of a nationwide search for it. so, people have been really helpful. jenna: that's really wonderful to hear. you know, it has been

several weeks since the accident and the passing of your husband and i know right around the event of something like that there's a lot going on. media coverage and a lot of support and outreach. now we're a couple weeks later and things probably have quieted down a little bit. i'm sure viewers would like to know, do you need anything? what can we do to help? is there anything you can do to help support your family? >> i'm doing fine. i guess as good as can be expected. i would just ask for continual prayerses for those families that have been affected by a tragedies similar to mind. as well as continual prayers for the heroes out there serving our country in harm's way. jenna: those are some things we can do right now. i get those prayers out there and also continue to look for that ring. kimberly, we'll stay in touch. >> thank you very much. jenna: stay up-to-date on your story. we're thinking of you. we haven't for gotten. kimberly, thank you very

much for joining us today. >> thank you. gregg: good story. i we have to find that ring. jenna: i believe we'll find it. i believe if we can't actually find that ring something else magical will come from this. these stories, they work. gregg: kimberly on the inside. look for that, everybody. there is, all right. in the meantime, a bleach brawl shutting down a walmart. why two women attacked each other and how the fight essentially sent 19 people to the hospital. new details into the wikileaks investigation. the government is trying to unravel their complex network of volunteers. how it is being done though is raising some privacy concerns. right now a woman is

behind bars facing some serious charges after a fight at a walmart that takes all sorts of twists and turns.

julie with us in the banking news with more on the story. >> boy, does it, jenna. it all began when two women started fighting. apparently went after her baby's daddy girlfriend t turned into a hazmat situation. the women reportedly threw bleach and creating toxic fumes forcing evacuation of entire baltimore walmart store. when police found arrived they found the two women fighting inside. fire and ems hazardous were called to the scene. 19 people had to receive treatment. including walmart at the with rest at that power problems. police arrested. 33-year-old teresa monique. there is her mug shot after she turned herself in. the brawl was on ongoing dispute between jefferson and victim because the victim's boyfriend is the father of jefferson's child. got all that? jefferson has been charged with first and second degree assault and theft.

she is being held on $350,000 bail. jenna. jenna: julie. thank you. >> sure. gregg: new information now on the investigation into wikileaks. the u.s. government obtaining a secret order forcing google and another web company to turn over e-mail information from a wikileaks volunteer. now. this is the important part. there was no search warrant involved. the volunteer isn't being charged with anything. that has a whole lot of people wondering how safe are our e-mails? doug mckelway is in our washington bureau with the latest. >> reporter: good morning, gregg. the secret court ruling is double-edged sword. it may help those responsible for release of classified material. a lot of civil libertarians worry it could open the floodgates of big brotherism. and allow the government to peer into anybody's private e-mails and correspondents. the focus of the investigation is the member of the tour project, a group of hackers who are committed

to on line anonymity. he has also been a volunteer for wikileaks. the u.s. government obtained a controversial kind of secret court order to force google and small intervet provider, sonic.net incorporated to turn over information from appleobama accounts. they told "the wall street journal" challenging the court order, was quote, rather expensive but we felt it was the right thing to do, end quote. the justice department has not commended but last year attorney general eric holder commented on the importance of tracking down those responsible for the wikileaks release. >> the hope here in the united states that the investigation we are conducting will allow us to hold accountable the people responsible for that unwarranted disclosure of information that has put at risk the safety of the american people and people who work on behalf of the united states. >> reporter: now the legal basis for the warrant is the electronics communications

privacy act but it was signed into law back in 1986. that was long before the internet was widely used. many people since said that law needs to be updated to procedurely reflect modern communications. gregg? gregg: doug mckelway, live in washington. doug, thanks very much. jenna? jenna: a real-life nate mayor here. a woman held captive and tortured. no one knew for a month. we'll tell you how she finally escaped from this house. also disturbing new developments in the widening scandal around the botched atf program known as operation "fast & furious". a shocking place where weapons from the u.s. government just turned up in mexico. we're live with that story, next. [ male announcer ] are you considering a new medicare plan?

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the u.s. government fod in a mexican drug lord's home. an oorgs natural, courtesy of the botched operation known as fast & furious showing up in a cartel boss' basement. this is the latest twist in a controversy that has lawmakers causing on the attorney general eric holder to resign. julie banderas has details from the breaking news desk. >> reporter: talking about ending up in the wrong hands, the obama administration being rocked by another scandal after it was discovered atf agents allowed thousands of weapons to be sold illegally across the border under the atf's fast & furious program. agents had intended to try and track them to catch drug traffickers but instead, they lost track of a number of them, hundreds, in fact, ending up with a mexican drug cartel, two ended up at the murder scene of a u.s. border patrol agent, the high powered assault weapons found inside a home belonging to a leader in

ciadad jaurez. the fast & furious weapons, including an antiaircraft machine gun, a sniper rifle, and a grenade launcher were found in the basement of a home which had been converted into a gym. the weapons were found in a hidden room behind a wall covered with built-in mirrors. darrell issa, chairman of the house oversight and government reform committee, will now issue a new accept of -- set of subpoenas to the attorney general this week. he explains on fox news sunday. >> we want to know what did they know and when did they know it, but more importantly, we have to understand at what level did the authorization really come. it wasn't an atf operation. they were part of that. it was a joint operation in which dea knew more than atf >> reporter: u.s. intelligence officials consider the similoa cartel the most powerful drug cartel in the world and the latest bust, the most corporate cache of weapons seized in the history of

ciudad jaurez. jenna: fox news is obtaining a letter minutes ago from congressman darrell issa to attorney general holder regarding the fast & furious investigation, the letter placing responsibility squarely on the a.g. n. part, it reads, and we have this small part for you, quote, the facts simply do not support any claim that fast & furious did not reach the highest levels of the justice department. actually, fast & furious did reach the ultimate authority in that part of the department, you. the time has come for you to come clean to the american public about what you knew about fast & furious, when you knew it, and who is going to be held accountable for failing to shut down a program that has already had deadly consequences, and will likely cause more casualties for years to come. again, from congressman issa back to the attorney general, the attorney general issued a letter to that gop group, including darrell issa on friday, so there's back and forth over this. we're going to have more ahead with utah congressman

jason chaffetz, one of the republican lawmakers on the house oversight and government reform committee, which is leading the investigation into this matter but it seems every day we have a new twist and turn on this very important story. gregg: then there is this growing scandal, new fall out involving solar energy company solyndra, they got a half a billion dollars government loan, then went bankrupt. now bombshell e-mails reveal new details about the loan. wendell goler is live at the white house with more. hi wendell. >> reporter: hi gregg. those e-mails show there was concern about solyndra going bankrupt last year, months before the government agreed to a deal that gave private investors first claim an solyndra's assets in exchange for putting up another $150 million to the company that already invested $2 billion in it. congressman darrell issa says that deal appears to violate the law. we the government went in in violation of congressional mandates and subordinated a loan, meaning put other

creditors in a better position. >> private creditors would get paid back in this bankruptcy before the federal taxpayers. >> exactly. >> there is where the question happens, why did we breach the protocol that was required, why did we do something that was strictly prohibited. >> an e-mail from the treasury secretary to the department it budget director reads in part, quote, legal counsel believes that the statute and doe department of energy regulations both require the guaranteed loan should not be subordinate to any loan or other debt obligation. in february, we requested in writing the doe seek the department of justice's approval of any proposed restructuring. to our knowledge, that has never happened. other e-mails indicate an obama fund-raiser who worked in the interview department -- energy department's loan department and pushing for a decision on the loan, even though officials warned he should stay out of it because his wife's legal firm represented solyndra. they say this is no influence he -- indication he influenced the decision,

and in fact there's no indication that anyone exercised improper influence in granting the loan but there were e-mails warning that solyndra could become an embarrassment to the administration, as it certainly has become. another house subcommittee hearing on friday. gregg: wendell, thanks. jenna: the protests have began on wall street, now spread to go at least 25 cities. those demonstrations began four weeks ago, could get a boost today from government union workers who have the day off, of course, for columbus day. now, in washington, many are camped out near the white house in freedom plaza, their permit ends today to do that at 2:00 p.m., but leaders say they plan to stay beyond that deadline. there was a comp polyindication over the weekend in d.c. with security guards at the national air and space museum, saying they were forced to use pepper spray after more than 100 demonstrators swarmed that building. it's not clear what police will do today if the demonstrators refuse to

leave freedom plaza. gregg: a violent twister ripping through homes in san antonio, texas. take a look at the the destruction, the tornado on the ground at least a mile and a half, rooping through roofs, knocking out powers for thousands of folks here, even tossing around this postal truck. >> i thought that was it. then i walked outside and found half my house sitting in the middle of the street. >> we looked out our house and we realized the whole house was gone. >> it's on r it's material and it can be replaced but it still hurts. gregg: fortunately no reports of serious injuries, the red cross putting up a lot of adults and eight children at nearby hotel. jenna: right now in libya, rebel fighters, accusing -- in sirte, that's the base for moammar qaddafi's loyalists, but the fighting in the leader's home town is not over. >> revolutionary commander

have pushed back qaddafi's followers to a piece of land less than a mile square. this comes after intense fighting over the last few days since the rebels launched the offensive friday. they've made major inroads into qaddafi's home town, they've taken the university, which was a qaddafi strong hold and as you say the convention center, which was very much a command and control base for qaddafi's followers in that town. at the moment now, they are moving up with tanks to try to final atsalt on the diminishing land they're controlling but revolutionary commanders do say they expect a stiff fight over the next week, and they can't confirm that they will even fall within the next 24-48 hours. at the same time, the revolutionary forces took the hospital over. this has been the scene of quite simply terrible, terrible scenes there, with many young children stuck

there because of the violence being caught up. many civilians have got out of sirte, but there are still concerns that some remain, in what remains of the city which is in qaddafi followers' hands. the national france igsal council says once sirte calls they will declare libya liberated and push forth with free and fair elections, but there is one other strong hold that qaddafi's forces still hold, that's baliwalid, a town in the tripoli desert, and we believe revolutionary forces have lost 17 men in the last 24 hours as they tried to push their way into the middle of the town. we do understand they've tan the airport and brought up other forces from the southeast. they say, also, jen yarks there is still stiff resissence in that town. jenna: and still no qaddafi. we've heard from him in the recordings, but no qaddafi

as of yet. thank you very much, david. gregg: he's hiding somewhere. conjures up memories of saddam hussein. jenna: we'll see when he surfaces. a town hall forum, hosted by gop hopeful rit nom -- mitt romney, about to get underway in new hampshire, the first state that will hold a primary. is time running out for the candidates? jenna: a colorado woman, held hostage in her home for two months and no one suspected a thing. she escaped. details on that, coming up. >> it was a little weird. like a little what's going on in my own neighborhood. when we were fight, she was telling somebody to get out.

jenna: right now, we want to it will you what's going on at the white house. we are awaiting the president, the president is going to be departing for national medical center in nearby bethesda, maryland, the president will visit wounded service members there. of course friday marked ten

years since the beginning of the war in afghanistan. we'll keep you posted on that. back to some other politics now, gop presidential candidate herman cain adding another straw poll win to his collection, his new collection, i should say, this time in minnesota, cain taking in 52 percent of the vote at the midwest republican leadership conference. congresswoman michelle bach hawn -- bachmann coming in a distant second, and mitt romney, with 11 percent and congressman ron paul and texas governor rick perry rounding out the top five. gregg: that's surprise thank mich ul bachmann in her home state -- >> jenna: , no one was close to cain, no one. gregg: he's surging in straw polls at least. let's turn to a primary state, new hampshire, where the campaign action is going on right now today. there's a new poll that shows mitt romney with a commanding lead there. romney is not taking anything for granted. right now he's holding a

town hall meeting in milford. take a look at this, new hampshire poll of likely primary voters gives romney 37 percent, followed by herman cain with 12 percent and rick perry with 4 percent. bob cusack, this is the first primary, is romney's lead largely insurmountable and if so how much of an advantage does that give him in the other primary states to follow? >> well, i think it looks at least right now insurmountable but however, there's a lot of time left. remember in 2008 romney had a big lead and senator john mccain ended up winning new hampshire from there, mccain won florida, huge win for him there, as well as south carolina. so romney has done well, he's done well in the debates. i think the polls show in new hampshire, rick perry is going to have to step it up in the debates. he struggled in the fox debate. he's going to have to pick it up because his poll numbers are all over the place. he's doing well in south

carolina but in new hampshire, not doing well. romney is doing well across the board, first or second in every race, in every state. gregg i'm glad you brought that up, new hampshire is january the third, followed by south carolina, january 12th. romney and perry are neck and neck in the latest poll i looked at there. then there's florida ten days later, january 31st, romney leads perry 34-24 percent in the latest app pop but the quinnipiac poll has perry on top of romney. look, with the first primary states, if romney can actually run the table on those three, then what? >> then i think he has it. romney's problem is with evangelicals, and he doesn't relate have to run in a deep south state until later. so if he wins south carolina is pretty liberal along the coast, florida not considered a deep south state, so the evangelical voters will certainly have their vote in iowa, romney

is doing decently there, hasn't said he's going to play there as hard as he played there in 2008. so if romney does okay in iowa, then goes to new hampshire, wins big, then he's in such a shape that he could possibly run the table and wrap this thing up. but once again, a long way to go and no one thought john mccain was going to win the nomination at this point a few years ago. gregg: this is a very important week for rick perry, principle because after a soaring start he then stumbled in the debates, especially the last one, but tomorrow night, there's another debate. can he rehabilitate himself? >> yes. absolutely. i mean, rick perry has to demonstrate that he has a better command of policy, he was shaky in the debates, but can he come back, absolutely. he has $17 million, in his campaign war chest, that gave him a boost. he's had controversy. he basically has to come back and show that he can go toe to toe with mitt romney. romney got the best of him.

so perry is going to have to come out and i think a lot of people are going to go after romney because he is back to being the frontrunner and that's a tough spot to be in if you're the frontrunner. you sthaw with cain a while back. >> cain won that straw poll. you just saw the straw poll an how he did in minnesota, but larry sabato, the university of virginia, what's a very insightful and astute political analyst, he says cain's nomination would be an aberration of historic proportion, american political parties, he writes, typically don't nominate people without previous office holding experience for president. is he right? >> i think he's right to some extent. i mean, herman cain is a businessman, a successful one at that, he's got a slogan, his 999 plan, other candidates don't really have that type of slogan, and he's very plain-spoken. that's why he's catapulted in the polls. do most republicans think he can beat president obama, no. i think that's the test for the gop.

can this candidate beat president obama. herman cain doesn't have the organization or the money to take on the obama. gregg: michele bachmann, she's really been slumping in the polls, bachmann has. >> yes. gregg: even if she wins iowa, she pretty much sort of is a one-trick pony, iowa and that's it? >> she has to win iowa and if she wins iowa that can change the dynamic, as well as for perry. if p.y wins iowa, the polls will change. but both of them, i think it's a must win for either bachmann or perry. bachmann has been in a freefall, she's had staff turnover, she definitely needs to turn around and very soon. gregg: bob cusack, managing editor of the hill, good to see you. >> thanks gregg. jenna: new subpoenas are out this week, it's a federal holiday, so maybe a little later -- >> gregg: they can be hand delivered, nothing wrong with that. jenna: those subpoenas are over the botched federal gun running sting, fast & furious. new information about where

those guns ended up. we'll talk to one of the congressmen investigating all of this, just ahead. gregg: it turns out that fugitive whitey bulger was done in by a beauty queen. yep, the mystery woman who turned him in and how much he is going to get for it.

jenna: a fox 23450us a-- a fox news alert, what's happening on the dow, it's nice to see green rather than red, snriet and the dow is up 270 on -- 270 points, part of what has to do with this rally, reassurance from europe that there is going to be continued focus on recapitalizing the banks there and making sure they're health yevment remember a lot of the concerns, and the president, too, pointed to this last week, the concerns about our economic situation related to what's happening in europe right now, and whether or not we're

tetering on a second recession. many point to europe and what's going to happen there as an indicator of what's going to happen here for us. at least right now, some reassurance and you can see wall street reacting positively today. gregg: right now, a quick look at the headlines. an american citizen facing up to 15 years in prison in thailand for translating a banned biography of the king. the 55-year-old thai-born man pled guilty to translating passages online years ago while living in colorado, insulting the monarchy is considered a grave offense in thailand. police in germany, stopping an arson attack on a b. lin railway station, employees alerted officers after noticing suspicious bottles filled with a flammable liquid. police say devices were used in an earlier attack on a train to hamburg. >> apple say first day preorders of the iphone four apps topped a record breaking 1 million, the

first orders were 600,000 when it launched last year. >> i understand you are going to issue a new set of subpoenas to the attorney general this week. about what? >> well, about fast & furious, and basically, at this point, about why are they denying knowing about something that they were briefed on. exactly when the american people want to know how did it happen. jenna: that was chris wallace on fox news sunday this weekend, talking about subpoenas being issued this week in that ongoing versus into operation fast & furious, of course that was darrell issa that was his guest. fast & furious was the plan to let thousands of guns get into mexican drug cartel hands and the purpose was to try to track those guns and track down the bad guys by doing that. unfortunately, that didn't seem to vo happened. for more on this we're joined by jason chaffetz, he serves on the house oversight and government reform committee.

congressman, let's be more specific if we can about these subpoenas. who or what will be subpoenaed this week? >> well, it's specific to the department of justice. we want to know who knew what and when. you got to remember, let's go back here for a second, because in march of this year, the president, obama, in an interview on univision, said he was willing to get to the bottom of this, that mistakes were potentially made, and that he was going to ferret this out and somebody needed to be held responsible. he also said in that interview that eric holder, the attorney general, did not authorize this. some kind -- so i'm fascinated, why was the president so specific in saying that the attorney general did not authorize this, yet, when we interviewed in the judiciary committee the attorney general in may, he said he hadn't heard about it except for just a couple weeks ago. so there's a lot of loose ends that have not been answered by the department of justice. jenna: are you accusing the president of a coverup? >> no. i'm absolutely not doing that. what the american people deserve and what the president said was that we were going to get to the

bottom of this, that somebody was going to be held accountable, we were going to figure out what happened so that this doesn't happen again. and we have not gotten that information from the department of justice. jenna: do you have any specific information that shows that the attorney general knew about this gun walking and ignored it? >> we have a lot of memos that -- it has the attorney general himself name on it where he got briefing papers, he got a number of memos and updates along the way, and so a lot of this information has been redacted. we think as a committee we should be able to see it, we are doing an investigation of the department of justice, so the more questions we ask, the more documents that come out, the more it appears as if the attorney general and landy brueur, did know about this and the question is why and when and when they came to the judiciary committee, did they say they hadn't heard about it. jenna: why the focus on the department of justice and why not the department of homeland security? >> well, in this particular case, you have the officers

that were moving forward on this case, the atf, working with the u.s. attorney there in the phoenix office who then was going up the food chain there in washington, d.c. with the department of justice. so homeland security played a role, but off to the side. the fbi was playing a role, but again, off to the side. this is really about the atf and the department of justice. jenna: will you also investigate what you say is off to the side, the fbi and the department of homeland security? or at this point, is that off the table? >> we want to look at everything. we don't know where this tangled web leads. we want to make sure this doesn't happen again. it's thousands of weapons. jenna: are the guns still walking, is this still happening, an 234r5eugs we -- that we don't know about and are later going to hear about like this one? >> well remember, we have over 2000 weapons that went out the doorks only one had a gps device that only worked for a couple of days. what's absolutely shocking about this is we allowed and

knowingly put these weapons into the hands of bad guys. we have two dead agents, we have hundreds of crimes that are committed with these guns, we now in the last 48 hours read the news reports about the siniloa having hundreds of these guns in a particular home, so we don't know where the thousands of guns are, yet we have some of the worst violence in mexico that we've seen in decades. jenna: if i could -- >> it's absolutely shocking. jenna: what's being done to get those guns back? >> not enough. they don't know where they were. that's why the atf does not knowingly let guns walk. but in this particular case, they did by the thousands. and the only reason we even know about this is because we had good, honest, patriotic atf agents who stepped forward, went to senator grassley, congressman issa and said this is not right, we don't do this and for some reason the justice department was encouraging them to do that. it's the whistleblowers that

let us know it was happening. jenna: real quickly, the attorney general, with a letter to the gop in congress, you included, related to this investigation of the justice department is accusing of you putting real solutions on the back seat, so what's in the front seat, and he says that's political gain. what's your response to is that. >> i think that's a doodged deflect. the only reason we continue to ask these questions is we are not getting candid answers. when he came before the judiciary committee, darrell issa and myself both asked him specifically about what he knew and when. he led us to believe he had heard about it just in the last couple of weeks but knew no details but the documents beg to differ with that and that's why it's such an explosive situation, not only to the thousands of guns going to the bad guys but the department of justice saying oh no, we really didn't know much about this. jenna: what's the timeline by the way? do we expect the subpoenas tomorrow and if that's the case, when do we spent to see the documents or see the people give more testimony, whether it's attorney

general or otherwise? >> well, remember, we have some outstanding subpoenas at the department of justice now, so these will be issued -- i'm not sure of the timing of when they actually get delivered over there, but hopefully sooner rather than later. we want to put this behind us but until the department of justice provides us those document, we will continue on. jenna: it will be a story we continue to follow and the system will continue to look at here, congressman and wi appreciate you answering so many of our questions today and look forward to having you back, sir, thank you. >> thanks jenna. gregg: it gets curiouser and curiouser. jenna: lz a -- there's a lot to that story. we'll continue to bring it to you. gregg: it's a hard transition. from guns to beauty queens, it was a beauty that caught a beast. a former miss iceland is one who tipped the fbi off as to where to find the fugitive monster whitey bulger and she is getting a $2 million reward. how's that for a few days work? she lived near the crime cross and his girlfriend in santa monica and got to know

bulger's girlfriend because they were both caring for a local stray cat, i guess recognized whitey bulger. jenna: see something, say something? you get $2 million? you never know. that's what you have to say. well, say something! >> horror at home, a woman says she was held captive and tortured for two months, and then she escaped. how she got away and the details of this bizarre story in colorado, gregg. we have that just ahead. gregg gregg plus, if it feels like a recession never officially ended two years ago, well, the painful proof of why that may be the case.

gregg: welcome back. a woman held captive, then tortured in her own home for months, two-months. neighbors never suspected a thing, until she finally broke free. julie has the harrowing details. >> reporter: yeah, the woman told police that her boyfriend wouldn't allow her to leave her bedroom and he kept a knife within reach at all times. she says he told her he could have killed her at any any time so sheeld him and stayed put for two months, until police showed up. neighbors never suspected the torture that was going on inside the home next door. the home's windows tell the haunting story of a woman held hostage by her boyfriend of five months. here's his mug shot. this is eric barney, he's got a dangerous history of domestic violence, assault, including a 2004 murder

charge. according to police, barney was mad at the victim for going to police after he had badly beaten her and tried to strangle her, after issuing a warrant for his arrest, police lost on on -- track of him. four days later he showed up inside the home, when she was sleeping and held her for two months. today that woman is in hiding, eric barney is being held behind bars, charged with kidnapping, assault and false imprisonment. no one knows how she found the strength to do it but two weeks ago the victim broke free and went for help. inside police found blood stained walls and mattresses, remarkable evidence of two months of a woman's torture, gregg. gregg: julie banderas, thank you very much. >> jenna: we're going to turn to the economy now, a disturbing new report on just how bad this recession is. household incomes that will be earned dropped more than 6.7% since the recession officially ended in 2009. if you add to that a drop of 3.2% during the recession,

you're talking about american households losing, well, more than 10 percent of their income in just this four year span. bob o'brien is a writer for barron's.com, and that really has an effect on confidence. what is the effect when you see your income drop like that? >> it's stunning, jenna, you would see the drop taking place when supposedly the u.s. economy is out of a recession. but the drop in incomes is actually twice what we experienced when we were in a recession, and frankly, it's just -- you know, it's related to the employment story. jenna: why? >> people are unemployed for longer periods of time. i mean, traditionally, when you lost your job at a healthy economy, you'd be able to find a new one in three or four-months. now it's more like seven or eight months, so households, i think every household has probably been touched, either by actual outright unemployment within a wage earner or at least underemployment. >> jenna: some of this information came from the

census information which we're starting to sift through now that we have the results over the last ten years of data that we've taken. part of that says this information, it says that nearly half of american households have at least one person that is receiving a government benefit of some type, whether it's medicare, medicaid, food stamps, something like that, so you see incomes dropping and you see a rise in government -- well, dependability right now. >> right. jenna: how is that affecting how we help get ourselves out of this economic situation? >> this is a big problem, jenna, because it exacerbates the problem that is contributing to the economic malaise. part of the reason why we're in such a dour economy is because the u.s. government is paying such a high interest rate on all the borrowing it's doing, but it's got to continue to borrow more to be able to pump money into the food stamps, medicare, and all of this. jenna: so how do you get the incomes to go back up again? >> get a job. and this is part of the

problem. you know, corporate profits, things that are keeping us out of a technical recession, rising corporate profits, rising exports, rising commodity prices, are actually hurting, continuing to hurt the average consumer, the average individual in the united states. jenna: typically a -- sorry to interrupt you, bob. a recession is when you get two consecutive quarters of economic growth or gdp. >> right. jenna: but now we're seeing this loss of income in this two-year period post of the technical end of a recession. are we regieng what a recession is with these numbers? >> the economists won't redefine it for us but really do you care what an economist thinks? if you're underemployed, you know what the ramifications are and you don't need some wonk who lives in some rifery covered academia to tell you you're not in a recession, you're just having a bad year. no, i'm sorry, a recession has persisted for a lot of people. i mean, 16-17 percent of people are classified as

either unemployed or underemployed. that's a lot higher than the 9 percent that we say are technically unemployed. and once again, you've got a longer period, once you lose your job, you're looking at a span of something like 9-12 months before you get a job. jenna: and we haven't broken out of that range. the stock market, we have seen a rise and we haven't seen this in a couple of weeks but you said be cache owrks when you see everyone being reassured by europe, what does that make you think. >> you wonder whether or not -- we've been playing this europe recovery story for close to two years now and it hasn't really come to fruition. you get the big bum js on a monday and historically investors use the week to use the opportunity to raise cash. so i'd be afraid of this rally coming to a quick halt tomorrow than i am confident we're going to see it carry through until friday. jenna: we'll keep that in mind. >> sorry for the bad news. jenna: tell us the truth, got to give it to us

straight! thank you, bob. gregg: wise words of caution. how about this one? many homeowners facing foreclosure could soon see their mortgage debt reduced, dramatically, all part of a proposed settlement between state attorneys jand some of the big banks caught up in that robo signing scandal. phil keating is live in miami with more. hi phil. >> reporter: hi gregg. there's an estimated 6 million americans who are disstressed homeowners, either fighting, from or within negotiations with the banks to avoid foreclosure. this is one of the houses that you can find in any neighborhood, pretty much, around the country. it's now bank-owned, it was foreclosed upon, and it's still sitting vacant, because the property has yet to sell. we spoke with one woman in orlando yesterday who hasn't paid her mortgage in two years because her husband died, and she speaks on behalf of so many people. here's patricia workman. >> i go to bed at night, worrying this house.

i wake up in the morning, still worried about this house. i'm fighting so hard to keep my little home. >> reporter there are an estimated 6 million disstressed homeowners like her, fighting foreclosure. but there is a plan in the works to bring homeowner relief. attorneys general, led by iowa's and florida's, are working to get the banks and lenders to reduce the principal owed by disstressed homeowners, helping them make their payments and avoid foreclosures, in exchange the a.g. would agree to penalties by the banks, but in the robo signing scandal, the abuse, a parch at amnesty. negotiations within began with all 50 attorneys general on board, now seven are out, including california and new york, all because they believe the deal so far is to sweet for the banks and treats florida like the eyesore, neglected and abandoned. how many billions the banks would forgive, still being negotiated.

they don't expect enough to cover the crisis. >> it is a drop in the bucket and i don't believe it's worth the deal with the devil to give up our rights to bring the proper actions against the banks. >> reporter: all of the banks we have spoken with declined to comment as these negotiations continue to happen. in fact, there are meetings later this week with some of the attorneys general. here's the white house, though, reflecting, even though we're now at 4 percent or less for interest rates nationally on average, it's still vacant, the banks are having higher threshold toss lend money. this has a nice swimming pool, two-story house, the swimming pool is nice, but of course you're going to have to get rid of the tad poles. back to you. gregg: that is a fixer upper. phil keating, thank you very much. jenna: deep sea treasure, discovered? we a long lost ship wrecked recovered in the atlantic ocean. what will become of this valuable cargo? straight ahead. gregg: a very special group is helping keep military kids busy and focused while

mom and dad are away. details on this big hearted group, coming up next.

jenna: it seems like just a couple weeks ago, we were bracing ourselves for a falling satellite. remember that, gregg? >> gregg oh yeah! jenna: a long list of things to worry about. you can add this on it now. scientists are warning about an out of control telescope hurtling towards earth at a high speed. it's predicted to reenter earth's atmosphere at the end of this month. some of the falling debris may include razor-sharp shards. gregg: not good. jenna: not good at all. that's because the heat resistent mirror may not burn up upon reentry. gregg: that's a problem! jenna: get your hard hats ready again. gregg: get ready to die, the sky is falling! military deployments may be tough on soldiers, but they can really be incredibly difficult for the families left back home, and

now there's a program that has adapted the big brothers and sisters concept to help military kids cope while mom or dad is airport. casey stegall sell live in los angeles with more on that. casey, how does this program work? >> reporter: gregg, it essentially is designed to help children of military families, because as you were talking about, often times they are the forgotten ones as their parents may be out on the front lines of war. this program is designed to get them through the long deployment period, essentially matching up a big brother or a big sister with a military kid based on common interest, to play games or hang out after school and since this program started back in 2004, it has helped thousands of children nationwide deal with the absence of a mother or father. >> it provides a connection for the children. it's a very special connection. it gives them an opportunity to have the reassurance of having focused attention just to themselves, and the way the program is designed,

there's a large play element which for children is extremely important, especially these kids. >> reporter: the best part of all of this, it is making an impact, in fact, school officials that you just heard from tell us that they are seeing students in this program, their grades are going up and they're showing more focus in the classroom, so it is helping across the board. gregg: of course you can't do it without the volunteers, casey. who are the volunteers? >> anyone, really, from all walks of life, from college students to grandparents, and they all have one thing in common. they have big hearts. a lot of them come from their own military backgrounds and they understand what these kids are going through. many of them feel compelled to do something to help families that live in their military communities. san diego, california, for example, has a military population of more than 800,000. >> i don't know if i do have the right words for this, but it's just changed my

life. i just feel just so happy to be able to do something like this. it's a privilege to know a girl like this. she is just the sweetest girl and i admire her courage and just so sweet! >> reporter: now, the big brothers, big sisters, do not get paid, but as you just saw from that that -- from that hug there, they say they're getting rewarded in far bigger ways. gregg: what a great familiar -- great pravment casey stegall, thank you very much. jenna: in the fox news room, an oklahoma man is sentenced to life in prison in a murder for hire plot and who he is targeting is a key part of this story. julie, you have more. >> reporter: this is breaking news coming in, that life in prison without the possibility of parole is the sentence for 64-year-old gene kirk patrick, found guilty of murder, and burglary conspiracy charges in north dakota. after hiring a handyman to kill his son-in-law, phillip

catuso, a fargo dentist, because he was unhappy he was raising his granddaughter, she say he was married to kirk patrick until 2009 shf an extended illness. we'll be right back.

jenna: a treasure lost nearly a century ago off the coast of ireland has suddenly now been discovered and julie has more on this incredible story. julie. >> it really is. it's almost like a movie out of the titanic. in this story, silver is gold, and let me tell you, it is worth more than $18 million. it was found in the north atlantic, and now the sea explorers that found this thing -- found this thing found it at the bottom of the ocean, inside a sunken ship off ireland which dates back to the early 1900s,

when a german torpedo sank the british steamship mantola, sending the vessel and its cargo with an estimated 20 tons of silver to the sea bed, more than a mile down. today the metal is worth $18 million. odyssey marine exploration base tampa, florida identified the ship with a tethered robot last month. in recent years cash-strapped governments have in fact started looking for niece lost cargoes as way to raise money. they do so because the latest generation of robots, lights, cameras and claws with withstand the deep crushing pressures that have opened up a whole new world of ship wreck recovery. last month odyssey discovered another british steamship estimating its cargo at 240 tons of silver, a trove worth more than $200 million. now, in this case, odyssey is to get 80 percent of the silver's value and the british government, 20 percent. it lance to recover both treasures this spring. i'm going it -- i'm going to

go into sea exploration. jenna: that's a good idea. we talked to that company, with the 200 million the ceo promised a little jewelry as proof that they -- i'm just saying! we have the video. julie -- >> >> reporter: i would like the piece of that. we should start our own company, a ship, robots. gregg: you wouldn't know what to do with it! jenna: julie can find silver wherever it is. gregg: have you seen her jewelry collection? they don't call her jewels for nothing. new concern over sectarian violence in ejupt and new reaction from the white house about the deadly clashes between coptic christians and the military. gas and bloating. with the strains of good bacteria to help balance your colon. you had me at "probiotic." [ female announcer ] phillips' colon health.

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