>> and the road to 2012 continues tonight on hannity. if you had any doubt that the perry and romney campaigns don't exactly get along, a new attack add may help you make up your mind. take a look at this. >> the white house has point today massachusetts law as the model for obama care. >> i agree with mitt romney, he's write. >> he will follow in the path we pursued. >> in my book i said no such thing. i stand by what i wrote. >> and doing the same thing for everything in the country, that line has been deleted. >> why is it working in massachusetts would you apply it

to the rest of the country? >> i would. >> romney has flip-flopped on some of the issues. >> i won't change my mind. >> meanwhile a controversy is developing after a supporter of governor perry was recently quoted as calling his mormon religion a cult. that happened on fry by ref jeffers. >> do we want a conservative out of deep conviction? do we want a candidate who is a good, morale person, or do we want a candidate who is a born again follower of the lord jesus christ? rick perry is a proven leader. he is a true conservative, and he is a john win follower of jesus christ. >> joining me with the latest on the 2012 election, dick morris is back.

sir, from rome tonight. welcome back. >> good to be here. >> all right. first of all, that last comment, i am really -- i don't know why people are attacking governor romney's religion. now governor perry did not do that. but he introduced perry at the value voter summit. i think this is a big mistake politically, and i also think it's wrong moralry to be doing this. what are your thoughts? >> perry should have gotten up there and said i just want to make clear that i do not regard the latter-day saint religion as a cult, and i would not nine anybody's religious believe and i would not be associated with anybody who did demean them. if the speaker said we need a follower of jesus christ, not some jew, or we need a white candidate, not some black, do you think perry would have just gotten up and given his speech?

no, he would have renounced those remarks and distanced himself from it. it's no different to be anti-mormon an anti-christian or anti-black. its bigotry. >> in fairness, michele bachman and newt gingrich and herman cain and everybody else said it's off the table and shouldn't be an issue and i think that's smart. do you think it hurts governor perry and what about the ad is the perry campaign has used to go after romney? clearly they are viewing romney as the top candidate. >> well, i think the mormon cult think steps on the publicity they are hoping to get with the advertisement. eats a legitimate question to ask him about obama care. he's been asked that a number of times in the debates and he said very clearly as governor of massachusetts i supported it, but as president of the united states i would oppose it. and i think he's been very clear about that. but it doesn't hurt to keep his

feet to the fire and to keep his focus on that issue. i think that if it weren't for that, romney would be running away with this race at this point. and i think people have doubts and they need to hear romney dissuade those doubts and i think it's a legitimate for perry to raise that. >> let me go to herman cain. he will be joining us later tonight. he made a lot of comments about the occupy wall street movement. they said they ought to move it to 1600 pennsylvania avenue. he said if you are not rich, blame yourself. and he said i don't believe racism holds anybody back in a big way today in america. all that makes a lot of news. does that help him, does that hurt him, and what do you think? >> i think it really helps him. i think that the whole point here is that you have a president who is selling victimization.

and then you have herman cain who is taking be rich yourself. nobody is holding you back except yourself. and they are two very dramatic alternate views, both from african americans with different life experiences and i think that can only help herman cain. >> what do you think about the poll necessary it was in u.s. a. today. it said those who voted for obama in 2008 with with switched in 2010 and 59% of those voters who switched are not going back. there's only 15% that would potentially go back to obama. is that the swing voter has made up their mind? >> it's not merely that because there will be a larger turnout in 12 than in 10 and most of those will be down scale voters who would normally tend to be

democrat. so you can't take that one poll data to the bank. but when you combine that with the sharply diminished enthusiasm for obama among young people, latinos and african americans, you are talking about a president who is in serious trouble. >> what do you think about joe biden? he goes i don't blame them for being mad at us because we are in charge. the and obama, the people in this country are not better off than before i became president. how do you make these statements and then go out and make the case and biden also saying there's a good chance they can lose in 2012? how do you make these statements and then make the case that you are the right person for the job? >> well, sean, i'm a sinic. i wonder if in the back of his mind obama might step aside and he might be programming for a presidential run himself in a primary against hillary clinton. >> what do you think about the

whole democratic party? it's an interesting theory. president and nancy pelosi, they are wrapping their arms around the lunatics at wall street. we sent our cameras down there again today. is there any benefit or upside or is this the type of thing that comes back to bite them later because they have misinterpreted this as the morale equivalent as the tea party movement? >> well, they are wrapping their arms around it, but around the tail, not the body of this movement. they are desperately trying to catch up with it. this is like an obama campaign without obama. and obama has aligned himself with goldman sachs and sold himself out to those $3,500.00 a plate dinner companion of his. and there's a real feeling he's abandoned liberalism. i know on the right that's hard for us to stomach, but it's true. you think about a herman cain who talks about the importance

of small business as opposed to wall street, differentiates himself from romney and saying he's wall street, i'm main street, i understand the problems of small businessmen, when you look at that, that rhetoric is not too different than the occupy wall street rhetoric. and ultimately this anti-corporatist sentiment is really both on the left and on the right. obama i don't think is a socialist. he doesn't want government ownership. he wants a big bank, a big business, a big union, and a big government. and we all divvy is up between us. we slice the pie between us like they do in germany and france. and that's why he's coming down against small banks and small medical centers and small hospitals and small businesses. and i think the occupy wall street people see it in much the same way the tea party people see it. we have a video on our website today about interviewing herman cain where he talks about just that. and it's fascinating. >> all right. herman cain, by the way, is coming up.

dick, good to see you. thank you. >> good to see you. >> and speaking of the occupy wall street crowd, we were back down at the scene what was going on there today. she spoke with some of the confused protesters who are now entering the fourth week of the demonstrations. you are not going to believe today's video. and later herman cain has hard words for the occupy wall street movement. he will join us live from new hampshire as hannity continues [ male announcer ] cranberry juice? wake up! ♪ that's good morning, veggie style. hmmm [ male announcer ] for half the calories -- plus veggie nutrition. could've had a v8.

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>> stocks rallied at home and overseas as european leaders rushed to get a plan in place to prevent another looming meltdown. french president and the german chancellor said they would introduce their plan to address the debt crisis. meanwhile the future is not looking so bright for freddie and fanny. foreign investors are not confident in the u.s. government's guarantee that the two agencies are secure and they fear that politics could easily derail those promises down the road. now could this mean another meltdown for the housing market here in this country? here with analysis from the fox business network, charles payne, and monica crowley. good to see you guys. >> hi, sean. >> i saw the video of you and geraldo down at the occupy -- i mean, did he drag you down here?

>> charlie, no big deal. i always do these kind of things, come down. i think the mistake was holding a fox mic. if you think you are brave, walk through that crowd with a fox microphone. >> to your credit, he did tape the segment. >> oh, yeah. >> were you going to stay more? >> no, we had to move a couple times, the police moved us, the crowd moved us. it was a very hostile crowd. >> and smiley was on and dr. west was on. >> and russell simmons. he and i had it out a little bit. what bothers me, i like those kids, i like a lot of those kids in the sense that i know they are afraid of what the world that they face. i don't think they are the most, you know, underprivileged kids in america. however, i think they are being used. and when they give people like russell simmons or george or warren buffet or susan #* a

pass, i said russell, you own a credit card company, they should be throwing bottles at you, he told me he owns a debit card. and i said that's worse. you are charging me more money to access my own money. >> what did he say to that? >> he change the the subject and said corporations are too powerful. again, it's one of these things where you can see that maybe -- and we spent a lot of time down there and i did get a chance to speak to a lot of these kids. could you see where a lot of them are afraid. >> i have never seen a more incoherent message. i'm sending people down there for the radio show every day. the person i spoke it today was walking around topless. you think i'm making it up? i'm not. >> you don't want to go into the middle. they always show you the outside. if you go into the middle, forget about it. it's bad. >> crazy. >> the point is this is the face of the modern left and since they doan need a particular agenda to protest or to riot, they go out there, they have a

bunch of different points of view for anti-capitalism to food modification. >> and there are native-american causes. >> there's everything. free the cop killer, and so on and so forth. there's a whole collection of leftist causes. but i think what is drawing them all together is who is behind this, who has created it, who has orchestrated it. and that is a coherent group. it's the global socialist movement. the american socialists and communists, and groups like move on.org they are certainly organized, they are coordinated and they are behind getting these mostly kids and aging hippies out there. >> but we have to go back. the rhetoric, the rich need to pay their fair share, the class warfare rhetoric is coming directly from the top. the president has praised them, nancy pelosi has praised them. i think this will come back to bite them, but it seems like they regurgitate what they hear other people say. >> this comes out of the mouth of the president of the united

states not just over the last couple months but the last couple years. millionaires and billion airs, corporate jet owners, piling on corporations, big oil. they all need to pay their fair share even though they carry the massive bulk of the tax burden as it is. >> that was my point. i was just going to get to that. they carry the top one percent. they keep talking about the 99. the top one percent pace 40, bottom pace nothing, top ten pays 75. so it seems like we have distribution. where is their complaint? >> they just don't any the numbers. the numbers you are throwing out now, most of them don't know and the ones that do know will ignore what you are saying. this is what woes me about the america the president has created. he can't run on the economy so he has to run on the broken economy but it's not my fault. and unfortunately it leads to a very device i have nation. it's sad because i was hoping we would get more unification in this country. >> not going to happen. here's my prediction, things

will be far worse. this will be a very device i have election because he can't run on his record. >> and never let a good crisis go to waist, ice emmanuel, even if you have to manufacture one. this president needs the devisineness. >> there's drug. this is not the tea party. >> but we have the kids, minorities and unions mobilized, guess what, it will carry through next year through eat leks. but it's about mobilizing them for the election. >> there are no black people down there right now. it's the same percentage of black people that you would see at a tea party and the tea party was racist and now they are trying to bring them in through the union and kenye west was down there today. it gets us away from what made america great. when i see someone like russell

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>> as the occupy wallstreet movement gross across the country, it is also accumulating trash and lots of it. protesters have been camped out for weeks in new york city and they aren't leaving anytime soon. we sent aysely erhard down to see it for herself and try to develop a coherent message for you. >> what do you want to see change in our country? >> i want the attitude of

community awareness. >> america is too big to fail. >> thank you very much. >> it's long overdue, and it was only a matter of time. >> how do you feel when you come into this park and you see so many people united? >> it's great but are they really united? >> thanks for the messages. real change is not the change that is branded and sold. ♪ is this peace of time >> what's your message? >> please be more responsible. you know what i mean? they are stressed out. they are in a box. they don't get bailed out. >> it's in the hands of corporate america. >> a lot of people are hurting and they are finally feeling the effects of it and they are

joining in. >> looks like woodstock. my next guest has been covering the protests in both d.c. and new york, jamey, and keri pickett. i talked to our producers and the people down there, garbage is everywhere. new york post describes a scene drugs are being sold, people deaf indicating in the public. and there's one guy going to the bathroom, number two, on a police car. you can't make this stuff up. they are passing out free condoms, there's been open sex going on, drugs easy to score. and the president and nancy pelosi put their seal of approval on this. >> you know, sean, if i didn't know any better i would think we are back in the 1970s in new york city. the worse part about it now is

mayor bloomberg is saying these protesters can hang out there definitely. i wish mayor giuliani was in charge at this point. he wouldn't put up with this. i was down there and i spoke to a number of these protesters and i asked them, you know, you are saying that the wealthy are buying political capital up here in washington, and what about the labor unions? and they start going well, gee, the labor unions are out there protectth the workers and they get all twisted in their words. and frankly, there's a lot of hypocrisy going on over there and they are messing up the businesses and they are disturbing the residences at this moment. >> jamey, my colleague, geraldo rivera was down there last night and they aren't exactly fans of fox. they don't like corporate america. one message i would agree with them on, i don't want taxpayers' dollars baling out banks and

financial institutions. but i'm listening and i'm writing down the notes here, i want more community awareness. what does that mean? some people are there because they are against global warming. other people against corporate profits and agreed. well, corporations don't make money if people don't buy their goods and services. it's a pretty easy formula. >> this is exactly why they are going to be an ineffective source. the tea party that was tremendously effective was focused on budget issues. they were centered on budget issues. what it happening here with the occupy wallstreet movement, there is no unified message. each person has their own grievance. some people are anti-war, some people don't like wall street, some people hate israel, whatever their flavor of the month is. you can't push anything if you are not organized. >> why aren't they down in front

of 1600 pennsylvania avenue? a lot of the economic condition necessary this country are the direct results of the poor economic policies of this president. why aren't people blaming them? >> you know what, sean, i think one of the biggest problems, though, of this whole movement as opposed to say the tea party is no one really knows when it is going to end. because, look, as far as the tea party was concerned, they had their events, it would start maybe on a friday and end on a sunday. the people who lived and worked in the area could actually figure out when things would say end. whereas this particular movement, it simply won't end. people who live and work in the area are simply befuddled as to what it's about and when it's simply going to end, and at this point people of new york and the people in other cities are simply waiting for this whole thing to simply have a message, and then when it's going to have some type of fine night ending. >> i predict by wrapping their arms around this movement, it's

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>> now president obama his left wing friends in hollywood has been busy praising the occupy wallstreet protesters. president candidate herman cain is taking a different approach. last week he slammed the movement as anti-american. saying those who camped out in new york city are jealous of the success of others. sunday morning herman cain did not shy away from his words. take a look. >> you think it comes down to jealousy? >> yes, i to.

>> really? >> because it's class warfare. some of them are there pause they don't have a job, yes. but the fact of the matter is, why aren't there jobs? go and pick at the white house. demonstrate in front of the white house. part of it is jealousy. i stand by that. here is why i don't have a lot of patience with that. my parents, they never played the victim card. my parents never said we hope the rich people lose something so we can get something. no. my dad's idea was i want to work hard enough so i can buy a cadillac, not take somebody else's. >> meanwhile cain continues to surge in the polls and over the weekend he picked up another straw poll victory. this one at the midwest leadership conference. joining me now on all this is the man itself, the presidential candidate herman cain. how are you, sir? >> i'm great. happy to be here. >> by the way, your father worked three jobs. >> yeah. >> your mom was a maid, he was a chauffeur, what were the other two jobs? he was a janitor? >> he was a parker and a janitor

and a chauffeur. he worked three jobs until he could make it off two, and he worked two until he could make it off one. this is why i don't have a lot of sympathy nor people who believe that this country owes them something. >> why did you say they should be picketing in front of the white house? >> i said that they should be protesting in front of the white house because wall street did not produce the failed economic policies. wall street did not spend $1 trillion really or if you want to start at $787 billion, almost a trillion dollars of failed economic stimulus. wall street isn't the one that is now proposing that we spend another $450 billion that is not going to work because the other trillion dollars didn't work. the vast frustration should be direct ted white house. sean, i believe that this is a coordinated effort on the part of the unions and obama

supporters to distract the american people from the real problem, which is the failed policies of the obama administration. >> listen, if his policies had worked as he said they would, you know what? a lot of people would be working and wouldn't have tile to be out there protesting. you made some very interesting comments that i find fascinating and i want you to expand on them. one is you said if you are not rich, blame yourself. and the other thing you said is you don't believe racism is holding anybody back in a big way in this day and age today. explain those two. >> yes. all right. let's start with the one if you are not rich or if you are not financially secure, blame yourself. first of all, one of the reasons that a lot of people are struggling is because this economy is on life support. it is the direct result of failed economic policies. secondly, relative to the racism thing, sean, i graduated from college in 1967.

this was a few years after the civil rights act of 1964, the voters right act of 1965. i was able to climb the corporate ladder at pillsbury. i was able to climb the corporate ladder at burger king. i was able to be head of god fathers pizza, took that company and prevented it from being bankrupt. i ended up with the second largest employer in the country, the national restaurant association. don't you think if i saw racism along the way in all four of those or five, that i would have recognized it? this is why i don't have a lot of patience for people who want to blame racism on the fact that some people don't make it in america. one of the greatest things about this country, sean, and i have experienced it, if you put your mind to it and you don't play the victim card, you can do whatever you want to do in this country. i am walking proof of that. >> you know what, i think it's a great message for everybody. there is some residual racism,

but don't let any obstacle to get in your way, and if you do a good job, i agree with you, i don't think you will fail in america. and you said you are a bit of a prophet, looking into your crystal ball, now that you are surging in the poll there's a bulls-eye on your back. harry belafonte said herman cain is a totally false bad apple in the black community. and cornell west said the following. i want you to watch this. >> all right. >> what do you think of what herman cain said? he did acknowledge that racism exists, but he says, you know, it doesn't matter that much, that more of it is about actually working hard and making opportunities happen for yourself. >> well, one, black people have been working hard for decades. i think he needs to get off the symbolic crack pipe and acknowledge the evidence is overwhelming. >> get off the symbolic crack pipe? you are a totally false bad apple in the black community?

don't you find those things offensive? >> yeah, i do find those offensive. okay. let me respond to professor west first. that's the difference between someone who has spent their life in academia and someone who has spent their life in the real world. i've been in the real world. he's been in academia. so he's back on this symbolic stuff. as far as harry belafonte's comments, look, i left the democratic plantation a long time ago. and all that they try to do when someone like me -- and i'm not the only black person out there that shares these conservative views -- the only tactic that they have to try and intimidate me and shut me up is to call me names, and this sort of thing. it just simply won't work. professor west has been in academia too long. he is out of touch with the real world. i have worked in the real world. i have worked and i have spoken at tea parties. as far as this, you know, own

wall street demonstration stuff, look, they are now trying to legitimize them by comparing it to the tea party movement. that is absolutely no comparison. the tea party movement in this country, i call it the citizens movement, the tea party movement, they had three objectives, fiscal responsibility, basically promote the free market system, and promote the free market system and enforce our laws. this group and other groups around the country, they are creating all this mayhem, protesting against wall street, what are they looking for? they don't have real clear objectives like that. do they want the people on wall street to come out of their offices and write them a check? i don't think that's going to happen. so this is totally different than the tea party. they are just trying to legitimize themselves by comparing it to the tea party movement. not the same. >> my good friend david brody

had an interview with you at the value voter summit in which you got a tremendous response. you keep winning these straw policy. your numbers are going through the roof and continue to. and he said are you ready for all the gotcha questions? who is the president of this country, and et cetera, and you had a pretty funny answer. >> ever since that florida straw poll, there's been a big builds eye on my back. it's coming from harry belafonte, it's coming from colonel -- you know, from professor west, it's coming from anybody who does not like the fact that i as an american black conservative is in a position to be able to speak my mind and tell the truth and wake people up. they don't want a lot of people to wake up. especially black people. i've also said, sean, which also received some criticism, that a large percentage of american black people are thinking for themselves.

that's the good news. but people like harry belafonte, professor west, and others who attack me, they don't want black people to think for themselves. and this is why they are so upset with herman cain, who is now moving up into the top tier for the republican presidential nomination, and that people are listening to me. they don't want me to wake people up and get them to read the fine print and think for themselves. >> you know, i can see as you get to the top tier, you've really decided to tone it down and be very, very measured and careful in your responses. [laughter] >> thanks, sean. remember, i never took a class in political correctness. >> i can tell. >> all right. >> i think we are reading that book right now. herman cain, appreciate your time as always. thanks so much for being with us. >> it's my pleasure, sean. i always enjoy. thank you. >> let not your heart be troubled, the great, great, troubled, the great, great, great american panel troubled, the great, great, great american panel do you have an irregular heartbeat

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>> it's always up to antics on our great, great american panel. what is the sign? occupy wallstreet, brother. >> power ever the people. [laughter] >> what does that mean? >> i don't believe just did that. >> what does power to the people mean? you have been isolated all your life, haven't you? >> she's a young republican strategist, dee dee benkie is back with us. she's a fox political analyst, republican strategist. angela mcglowan is also back. i want to tell you something. i'm sick and tired of -- we just had herman cain on, and to have colonel west say he needs to get off the symbolic crack pipe and harry belafonte saying herman cain is a totally false, bad apple in the community, and that if you are black and you are conservative, you are a sellout. you are an uncle tom. >> oriole. >> i'm tired of those names, bob. and guess who it is coming from? it's come from the left.

and you, who work in the civil rights movement, i'm sure will condemn that. >> i certainly will. you are talking to a few people here. this is the problem with the way you have all describe the protest which has now spread to over 100 cities in this country, it's not just wall street and it's just not a bunch of pampered trust fund babies down there. you have people on both sides who say things. how many times do we listen to harry belafonte make these kind of comments? it's not helpful but he says what he is going to say but it is also not representative of the group. >> and being a black conservative myself, that's what liberals do. >> who? >> who besides those two. . >> maxine waters made comments. we've had other congressional black caucus members say we hang black people at the tea parties. talk about the issues and not people. >> herman cain is a business guy, a cancer survivor. he's a true patriot and it's awful for people to treat him so badly. it's got to stop.

>> and even tonight, he's no holds barred. it's a good point because a lot of people get to the top tier and they are surrounded by advisors that say slow down >> change what you have been doing to get to the top tier. he's not changing, bob, and his message is resonating with people in this country. >> i spent a lot of time with herman cain here and other places. >> you like him. >> i like him. i think he's smart, funny, he has this 9-9-9 thing that haunts me. i can get it in my brand. but he had enough sense forks on that one when his economic advisors gave him a plan, they went through all the detailed stuff and he said, no, no, 9-9-9. i'll give him that. but most liberals would never refer to him in a derogatory way. >> because you are a good person. >> most liberals are. >> not people who call people a

sellout. >> let me ask a question. i thought herman brought up a good point. why are people not protesting in front of the white house? >> they are. >> the president said he would get us out of this economic problem. he has made it infinitely worse. why aren't they down there protesting? >> because who has the white house? democrats, liberals. who has part of the senate, liberals? this is a setup, a distraction. to take away from the issues, do the protest and blame folks on wall street. blame business. >> go ahead. >> no, go ahead. >> well, you know, the occupy wallstreet is a joke. that's more like the french revolution. this is -- it was very negative, destructive, talking terrible about capitalism. it's sort of a marxist movement. >> this weekend there were people from new jersey who lost their houses, just regular families came over because these guys on wall street took instruments backed by mortgages they knew were not going to be

able to be upheld and sold them downstream and ensured themselves -- and not one of these guys have gone to jail and they ought to. >> you forgot one step. the government in this country, under jimmy carter, and down to bill clinton, they forced these banks to lower their standards because in the liberal mind everybody should own a house. >> but goldman sachs, they should be out of business, too. force them to lump them together in securities. >> if anybody ought to be in jail it ought to be barney frank, chris dodd. >> why? >> because they are responsible. >> you don't think the people who bundled the mortgages did so maliciously? >> they would not do this. >> that made them cell phone any mortgages? no, no. >> and agencies that are at fault here. >> i agree there was too much of a push to putting people in house whose couldn't afford them. but that's separate and apart from the bankers who took the mortgages, bundled them together

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american panel. we are going to go through this slowly. >> good idea. >> you admitted on our break the government, through the community reinvestment act, by forcing financial institutions to lower their standards because the belief everybody should own a house, whether they can afford it or not, is the foundation of all of these problems. am i right there? >> i did not -- on -- did not at it on the break, i admitted on the air before we went to break. in some plays they couldn't read the fine print but they were getting the loans. >> let's move forward. >> those mortgages are then taken by country wide, whoever, and sold to fanny and fredly mac. government-backed entities. >> right, and to jimmy john's who makes 19 million. >> and now we are out of the bankers, now we are with

investment bankers who know that a group of those mortgages are bad, and nonetheless, bundle them together, sell them at mortgage back securities and then get insurance to insure themselves, and while people who bought hem for retirement are going broke. >> the government was wrong. didn't freddie and fanny know those loans were going to go bad, too? >> i got to think they did. >> so you are right, then they bundle them together. but it had already been approved twice through the government. >> but does that make it -- >> no, it's wrong across the board. >> when it was happening who had the white house, the house and senate? >> it goes back to jimmy carter and clinton. >> and ronald reagan. all the presidents did. it was a good idea. >> reagan did not. >> you are wrong about that. reagan continued to endorse the housing act and in fact reauthorized it and repropose

operated it. >> the person who did that was clinton in 1996. >> well, let's just say that there are a lot of people culpable in washington, democrats, republicans, and probably more democrats than republicans. >> that still does not excuse them. >> look, there's a -- although i agree with donald trump , you can't figure out what these people are -- they are incoherent down there. it's one big drug party and not the tea party. hang on a second. but as i watch what they -- the incoherent message that is going on here, they are right about one thing. >> what? >> we should never bale out any companies period. let them go bankrupt. >> i was against it. the first bailout i was against it when obama did it. >> i have to say, i think that bailout was wrong, newt gingrich said particular the conservatives got it and look where we are now. >> what do you say?

>> i think she's exactly right. and then obama followed. >> here is where they are losing their message. they think that the governntntnt should be empowered because they are the one percent to take from the ninety nine percent instead of following the herman cain model which he just countried which is work your butt off, provide skills and services to people. >> i heard what herman said but can i just make a point? after going down to your 15th anniversary in atlanta and getting booed, after being -- >> it was a badge of honor. >> that's fine. they were nice people, most of them. look, when i heard those people, every time you raised "do away with the fed" a lot of those people cheered. secondly they wanted the government to stop baling out big businesses. they cheered in atlanta and they cheered on wall street. the irony of this is these two sides share an awful lot in common. >> no, no, not an awful lot. >> the fed. >> the fed and the economy and bailouts, yes, th