>> brian: they did great. >> gretchen: all right. congratulations. log on for our after the show show. more ways for you to save money. we'll see you tomorrow. bill: well done! nicely done! good morning, everybody. they're calling the millionaires' march, the wall street protestors fired up, on movement, they will reportedly head to the homes of five of the wealthiest business leaders you'll find in america. how's that going to go? good morning, everybody, item bill hemmer. a big welcome back to martha! march good morning, everyone. good news, they're not coming to your house or my house. we don't fall into that category. good to see everybody, i'm martha maccallum, protestors saying they will hold checks to show how much the wealthy will pay bill: the issue is, these are not millionaires, they're billionaires, hundreds of miles away from senate, a vote on a surtax

for the jobs bill. stuart varney leading our coverage, fox business network. care to make the connection between all of this stuart? >> yes, sir, good morning. i do make the connection. i think there's a very clear alignment in polity and objectives between the president's tax the rich policy and demonstrators from occupy wall street who will go to the private homes of belie -- wealthy people. there appears to be a very clear embrace between the two. i would go so far as to say the demonstrators look like the shock troops for president obama's tax the rich policy, they're going straight to the home of privately wealthy people in new york city and they're going to march to those homes today, bill. bill: do we know these people? would our viewers be aware of snem. >> i'll run through the five homes they're going to go to, the banker, jamie dimon, the late paul milstein, made his money in floor covering, hedge funding is john paulsen, david koch, oil and

gas billionaire and rupert murdoch, parent of this company, in the media. bill: j.p. morgan employs 50,000 people around the world, newscorp, thousands of jobs around the world. are they going to thank them for those jobs? >> what do you think, bill? >> there's a vote later in the senate 4r5eu9er -- later today. will they pass? >> probably not. it is as you say a procedural bill on the jobs bill which contains that surtax on millionaires as a way of paying for the jobs bill. you need 60 votes in the senate to get this thing through, the votes probably are not there. when it's defeated, that may well add fuel to the demonstrators' fire, because the two, tax the rich from president obama, and demonstrate at the homes of the rich, the demonstrators, very closely embraced today. bill: we'll see if that's the case and what reacts out of that. see you 9:20fbn, thank you. martha: you know the protests, they're not cheap for the city of new york, the nypd already spending

close to $2 million in overtime to officers patrolling the area where thousands of protestors are basically camping out in the square for weeks now. just last week, mayor michael bloomberg ordered citywide budget cuts, even said they may not be able to fund the training of new officers in the cities but nowsy ordering all agencies to prepare for cuts totaling $2 billion over the next 18 months. bill: meanwhile a new warning about all of this now, that wall street jobs may not be as safe as the protestors claim, new york predicting 10,000 jobs will be lost in the securities industry by the end of next year. state comptroller's office estimates that one in 13 jobs in new york state rely on securities firms, financial firms also expecting to make hits, goldman sachs says it may cut more than 1000 jobs, while bank of america is planning to lay off 30,000 employees. >> we want to get to this as well, because this is big news this morning. new fall out from the government's failed gun

running sting known as operation fast & furious, house oversight committee chairman darrell issa writing a blistering letter to attorney general eric holder saying it is, quote, time to come clean, and questioning his overall credibility. big charges against the attorney general. issa added this explosive statement, look at this, on your watch, it went spectacularly wrong, whether you realize yet or not, you own fast & furious. it is your responsibility for failing to shut down a program that has already had deadly consequences and will likely cause more casualties for years to come. he believes that due to the guns that are still out there and floating around among the mexican during cartel. we have exclusive details, we have new subpoenas that have been issued in this case that we want to tell you about. that's coming up at the top of the hour. we'll discuss all of that wen senior -- with senator chuck grassley who will be our guest. bill: 2012, now herman cain making a huge leap into the

top tier of the candidates for the republican nomination, mr. cain surging now in a gallup poll that's out. he's in second with 18 percent of the vote, up from only 5 percent only a month ago. man, is that fluid. cain is now just two points away from the frontrunner mitt romney in that polling, rick perry meanwhile taking a hit, now in third at 15 percent. now, mr. cain also tieing for second place with rick perry in the "washington post" bloomberg news poll. coming up in a moment the perils of the top tier, herman cain facing harsh criticism from african-americans on the left, cornell west telling cain to, quote, get off the proverbial crack pipe. harry bell fontie calling cain a bad apple. juan williams, what does he think about all of this? we'll get his opinion in minutes. martha: as we watch this as get ready for the next debate tonight. he's accused of trying to blow up a plane on christmas day with explosives sewn into his underwear, now the trial of

umar abdulmutallab gets underway. and mike tobin is outside the district court in detroit. it seems like this one is fairly clear-cut but is it too early to call this a slam dunk? >> reporter: yeah, it's too early to call it a slam dunk, you've got umar abdulmutallab arriving in the courthouse, an hour and 15 minutes ago and he's appeared in the courtroom already wearing traditional looking clothes, a long blue shirt with gold trim on it but you talk about this case, whether it would be a slam dunk, the government has very compelling evidence, like all the witnesses who saw the bomb fizzle on the flight, saw the defendant catch fire, they have recordings from that particular flight, they have the remnants of the underwear bomb, all of this is very compelling, but any lawyer will tell you, nothing is certain when it goes before a jury. you also have the standby counsel, anthony chamber, challenging everything that comes into this courtroom, like the initial statement abdulmutallab made in which he admitted that he was an

operative for al-qaeda. that was made without miranda warnings, that was made while he was on a painkiller. then you have all the erratic behavior, the outburst in court, the wearing a knife in court. if the crazy bee behavior isn't handled well it creates a problem in court. martha: abdulmutallab has represented himself, insisted on being his own attorney in this case. is that what he plans to do? >> not entirely. anthony chambers, the standby counsel, the man who bears that title, standby counsel, will be delivering the opening arguments. often times you see the moaghtses delivered he, they're very professional, detailed. it's clear that a lawyer wrote those. then again, you will see some motions that are handwritten, some of the nutier ones that insisted that abdulmutallab be tried under islamic law, those look like the defendant wrote those himself. chambers, however, does insist that abdulmutallab is defending himself in this case, he's making all the

final decisions, in his words, abdulmutallab is driving the bus, martha. martha: boy, it's a scary story, and we're going to see how it all comes out in court. mike, thank you very much. bill: from overseas now, the fight for libyan leading rebels straight into moammar qaddafi's bedroom, take a look, inside the town of sirte, that's a rebel fighter, lounging on qaddafi's bed, giving a peace sign and huge grin to a fellow fighter. here you see some of the damage done that qaddafi's room, rebels have driven many from sirte in the last few -- in the past few days. martha: better called house keeping right away, there's a problem in the qaddafi suite! good grief. those are many of the stories we're watching. got a lot on the plate on this tuesday morning which kind of feels like a monday for some of us as we get rolling into the week. let's take a look at what we've got. we have brand new details in this story, a lot going on in this case of little lisa irwin today. we're going to talk to the captain in charge of this, the surveillance tapes that the cops are now looking at

that have to do with where the mother was in the hours before her baby disappeared and why a family member now says they think lisa's mother is preparing to be arrested. bill: former president george bush on the links with true american heroes and that is a foursome they will not forget. martha: and make or break time for this man, rick perry of texas. he is preparing to get ready. he's got to do well tonight. he's got to have a good night if he wants to repair his position in the polls. we'll be back with more, right after this, in "america's newsroom".

martha: we've got new details on a story we first brought you yesterday in "america's newsroom" a. boat that capsized in florida, leaving an entire family stranded at sea, seven of the eight people on board, including a four-year-old girl, tread water for 20

hours before being rescued. relatives say the family is recovering well, but we are hearing about the terrifying moments from some of the first responders that day. listen to this tape: >> i parked the boat over here, they first pulled the little girl off the boat first, the four-year-old girl, and then she was -- she couldn't stop crying, in a lot of shock and really scared. >> got them away from the boat, it's really hard for them. that fisherman, that commercial fisherman, it was a long night. >> they're all fine, they're just really tired, really exhausted, they're burnt from the salt water and treading water for so long. martha: boy, what a frightening story, and it is tragic, as well, the people who were rescued are okay, but the eldest relative on that trip, we are now learning, a 79-year-old woman is still missing, and is now presumed dead. bill: remarkable. there is breaking news overseas now, christians

under seige in parts of the middle east, first in cairo, funeral phos nearly two dozen christians killed in clashes with egyptian security forces taking place, they were protesting recent attacks on fellow christians when they were attacked. meanwhile in iran the fate of a christian pastor facing execution, said to be in the hands of that country's supreme leader, his crime, refusing to renounce his faith and conversion out of islam to christianity. ambassador john bolton, former ambassador to the u.n. and fox news contributor. good morning to you. first on iran, there is a development on that. what is it? >> well, the court what's been looking at this particular case has refer dollars the whole matter back to the trial court on the grounds there was insufficient investigation. i think that probably is because they don't want to put the onous on the supreme leader to decide one way or the other. i think they want to duck this issue. they see it's caused them nothing but bad publicity worldwide and this is a way to do it procedurally. bill: earlier today before this news crossed you

thought they would spare his life. >> yeah, i think they need to find a way -- >> bill: do you still? >> yes. i think it just puts them in such a bad light, but i don't think they want to have the supreme leader make that decision, so this could be, this breaking development, could be the procedural way they have found to duck the issue. bill: there are groups in the u.s. working to spare this man's life. they contend that iran is feeling the pressure. >> well, i hope that's right. bill: do you agree. >> i hope there's a possibility of that. this is a clear case of absolute lack of religious tollration and it's something that leaves iran and other regimes vulnerable when they're called out on it. bill: we will measure and watch his fate, literally, as it plays out there. meanwhile in egypt, i don't know what you make of this. the revolution happened in february of last year, of this past year, rather, and mubarek was the guy, the leader, who's now on trial for crimes against the egyptian people. mubarek is the guy who protected the cap tick -- coptic christians, he's also

marginalized the muslim extremists. now it seems in the view of many that that balance is starting to tip the other way. >> well, i was never that optimistic about the arab spring to begin with. i was hopeful, but i was trying to be realistic about it. and mubarek ran a secular regime. butress scali, a coptic christian, his grandfather, coptic christian, was prime minister of eegypt. the danger the coptics see is moving away potentially from a secular government to one that may be dominated if not by the muslim brotherhood by by its friends and allies would leave them in a difficult position, so approximately 100,000 coptic christians have already left egypt in the past few months and there's a lot of speculation, especially after this violence, that even more will leave. bill: 100,000 in the last few months, in a country of 80 million, i believe, the coptic christians. >> about 10 percent. bill: 10 percent, so you're talking 8 million people and 100,000 have left already,

and you expect that to continue. >> a lot of people are speculating that. this is not now on abstract discussion about religious freedom. this is people who have seen the future and are voting with their feet to get out of town before it gets dangerous. bill: what can the u.s. do beyond our ability to influence, which is what we found out this past year when we tried to influence the outcome of the so called revolution. >> i don't think we should overestimate what our influence is, but what i would do would be to go to the arm which has been the recipient of enormous assistance from the united states ever since camp david in 1979 and say get these other security forces under control, no more of how that demonstration was suppressed or you're going to be at risk of the cutoff of american military aid. bill: will they listen? >> i think that's a persuasive argument to make. i hope they do listen, i hope for the security of the relationship we have with egypt, for the strategic situation of israel and other friends of ours in the region, if it goes wrong in egypt, it's going to be a bad signal across the entire middle east. bill: thank you for your time, john bolton, thanks.

martha, what's next? >> martha: well, this is an incredible story this morning. one minute she's walking down the hall in school, seconds later, this 12-year-old's heart stops and she stops breathing. it was all caught on tape. it is a very frightening piece of tape. but we're going to show you how the teachers saved her life, and why schools across the country need to do what this school knows how to do. that's coming up. bill: dramatic, huh? also developments in the disappearance of this ten month old girl, why relatives say her mother is about to be arrested, and the surveillance video taken only hours before baby lisa vanished. >> you know, you wake up, and you instantly feel everything all over again. it's better to stay awake, because when you go to sleep, you don't have to relive it all over again.

martha: we've got breaking new developments in the week long search for a missing baby, lisa irwin. we're getting reports that the baby's mother, deborah bradley, who we have seen tearfully beg fog her daughter's safe return is in some ways preparing herself to be arrested, which is, you know, very odd. we're going to talk about that in a moment. this comes as the search for this little girl has led now to a receipt from a grocery store. eric burke of fox affiliate wdaf has this part of the story for us. let's watch: >> reporter: the investigation took place to a nearby grocery store, a receipt found during one of many searches led police to festival foods. a source with the store confirmed detectives took the receipt to the store and asked to see surveillance video. in that video, deborah bradley and an unidentified man were seen buying a box of wine, paper plates and napkins, it was recorded about 5:00 p.m. monday,

october 3rd. about five hours before the time bradley told police she put lisa in her crib for the night. >> martha: all right, joined now by captain steve young of the kansas city police department who is very much on this case. good morning, good to have you here. >> good morning, thank you. martha: let's talk first about what we just heard in this reporter's package, how interested are you in this visit to the grocery store and does it match up with the timeline of events that deborah bradley has told you? >> well, i heard the report in the news, obviously, and i can't get into the details of the case, and to be honest i'm not going to even ask the detectives about it because i know i can't talk about it. martha: so we can assume that the detectives are checking that, we have heard they have looked at this receipt. what about this information from the family member this morning who was on another morning talk program and she basically said well, because the police and the detectives are not getting anywhere in this case, that's why deborah bradley says she thinks they're pointing the finger at her and that she expects and is

preparing to be arrested? >> well, that's an unfortunate point of view and it couldn't be farther from the truth. that's not how things are done. you know, we don't feel pressure to charge somebody. we're feeling pressure to try to find this child. so that's not going to get us anywhere. that's not what we're looking for. we don't just charge people because we think we have taken too long. martha: what about the cell phones, the three cell phones missing from the crime scene? any -- are we getting anywhere with finding them, are you getting anywhere with finding them, i should say, and how about the phone records that would go along with them, even if you don't have the phone in your hand? >> again, it's certainly safe to assume that the detectives have done everything they could and done things that people would expect. if the phone has led us somewhere where there is good information we could have released to the applicable and we think would have propelled the case forward we would have done it a long time ago, so i think it's safe to assume that the phones really haven't amounted to much for us.

martha: the parents in this case, there was a period where they were not being cooperative. how would you characterize them now? >> well, like i said the other evening, we're talking again, and we're very happy about it. there's probability one of the most important pieces of the case, and our best chance to find this girl. i don't want to get into a play by play of how many hours we're talking and -- but i can definitely say the family is talking to us and we're grateful. martha: we wish you all the luck in solving this, and find thank little girl. captain steve young, thank you. >> thank you. martha: keep us posted on any developments. we've got your tipline on the screen and we hope that that will lead to something as well. thank you sir. bill: a lot of pressure on the police down there to figure this out, and it's coming from all circles, too, and all corners of this country. martha: and everybody is watching this, the tapes of the mother and father and trying to analyze whether or not they should be being looked at, her emotions in some ways seem to be very much what you'd expect from a mother. bill: hope the police figure it out.

is there new trouble for the attorney general after that controversial gun running sting known as fast & furious? we have exclusive information on new subpoenas. also -- >> look, i left the democrats' plantation a long time ago, and all that they try to do, when someone like me -- and i'm not the only black person out there that shares these conservative views. >> martha: wow! herman cain, hitting back after a noted african-american leader says the presidential candidate needs to, quote, get off the symbolic crack pipe. herman cain responds to that, next.

bill: we have breaking news from overseas, check this out, u.s. and british special forces have stormed an italian ship that was seized by somali pirates, the ship was called the monte cristo, that ship is now free. the pirates surrendered the ship, it had 23 crew members on board when attacked by pirates on monday. that didn't last long, right? about 24 hours. so the special forces from the u.s. and britain launched the operation earlier today, freed the crew, freed the cargo ship that was seized by pirates. we'll find out what happened to the pirate as bit later today from the newsroom. martha: all right, this is a big story on the gop front right now, folks.

presidential candidate herman cain, firing back after very harsh words from some famous african-americans. they are furious that cain says that racism is not, quote, holding anybody back in a big way. here's the bold response from outspoken princeton university professor cornell west. >> one, black people have been working hard for decades. i think he needs to get off the symbolic crack pipe and acknowledge that the evidence is overwhelming. martha: harry bell fontie called king a, quote, bad apple and said he was, quote, denied intelligence. now the presidential candidate is responding to both of these men on hannity. >> i do find it offensive, okay? let me respond to professor west first. that's the difference between someone who has spent their life in academia and someone who has spent their life in the real world. i've been in the real world. he's been in academia. so he's back on this symbolic stuff. as far as harry bellefonte comes in, look, i left the

democrats' plantation a long time ago, and all that they try to do when someone like me -- and i'm not the only black person out there that shares these conservative views. the only tactic that they have to try and intimidate me and shut me up is to call me names, and this sort of thing. it just simply won't work. martha: wow, all right. let's bring in juan williams, fox news political analyst, joining me now. good morning to you juan. >> hi martha. martha: what do you make of all this? >> i think anybody watching just has to shake their head and express some pride in herman cain's determination to be his own man and to not be intimidated by these people. herman cain says he thinks he could get one third of the black vote if he was running head to head against president obama, and by the way, you hear criticism from the far left, from the cornell wests, from the harry bellefontes, of president obama, and now

here they are criticizing herman cain, but i think they go after him with a dash of sauce because he's a conservative and they really can't stand black conservatives, they think anybody that's a black conservative is totally inauthentic. it's just, to me, evidence of how orthodox and how rigid they are in their own thinking. martha: it's fascinating to me, because they were not as loud, not as forceful, on all of this when herman cain wasn't doing so well in the polls, so now herman cain is really asserting himself in this whole gop nomination race, he's basically net and -- neck and neck with mitt romney now and now you've got these folks speaking up in such a strong way against him. one of the comments from harry bellefonte, paraphrasings, he said every once in a while the gop sort of comes up with their definition of an african-american politician, they had condi rice, clown powell and now they've tried it on herman cain. it's mind-boggling, juan! >> it's so insulting.

it's it's so crass. clearly, look, herman cain is someone who has by anybody's definition really persevered and made a success of himself as a businessman, godfather's pizza, the man on the federal reserve in kansas city, and now he has defied all odd necessary terms of his success in the republican primaries. i don't think there's any getting away from those facts, martha, and i think that people should be proud of herman cain for doing so. now, herman cain, you know, says he doesn't believe racism is holding anybody back in a big way. i think race is still a factor in american life. i don't think there's any way to get away from it. but if you're asking me, if my father, herman cain's father, looking at us as young black people in america today, would they say are we better off, is race less of a factor, it's clearly the case and when you listen to cornell wes, you'd imagine we were still back in the 1930s. martha: i don't know why these gentlemen aren't celebrating. why can't they say look, this man went to college in

1967, right after the voting rights bill was passed, right after the civil rights fight in this country, graduated from college, got a good job with pills bury, went on to burger king, he made a great future for himself, so why can't they say look, i don't agree with his politics but let's celebrate his success? doesn't it go back in many ways, juan, to the really roots of the great society issue, and what it is that helps to lift american citizens, whether they be black americans or hispanic americans or anybody in this equation and whether or not handouts from the government is the key to success for any group in this country. >> you know, i think that there's part of that is the argument, but my take on it, martha, is that right now, what you get from the hard left, and that's who these two represent in this country, is concern that somehow herman cain is being used to excuse racism among the tea party types. i think they are very upset about the tea party's success, i think they suspect that the tea party

is somehow racist, and they think that the support that herman cain is getting from the tea party types, the fact that he has become the representative of people who are against the republican establishment and all that, it just is galling to them, they can't understand understand it, because it repudiates their view of what the tea party is and they think herman cain is getting used in this way. they're trying to -- >> martha: juan, isn't that in and of itself racist in a way, to say that this man is not his own man and he's been co-opted by the tea party and brainwashed, to use one of herman cain's words that has gotten so much attention, isn't it racist to accuse him in that way of being co-opted by this group? >> that's t. i think the people have to say herman cain is his own man, herman contain is making judgments for himself, herman cain is making a way in american politics at the very highest level and i think people who are so angry at him have their own agenda, and i don't think it's steeped or

based in reality. you know, herman cain to me in terms of black conservatives, we talked about people, you mentioned colin powell, condi rice, clarence tom yarks all of the people are dumped on by the far left because they don't feel comfortable with the people moving out of the liberal orthodoxy. but i would add, if herman cain ran, i think he is right, he could attract 30 percent of the vote. he's a southerner, a gospel singer, a church man, he's demonstrated economic strength. remember, i think a lot of black people are socially conservative people when you come down to it, church going people, and herman cain would have a lot of attraction versus a liberal barack obama, and that really rattles the black liberal establishment. martha: boy, would it. you know, it would blow out of the water basically a voting bloc which really is an insult, in many ways. >> yes, ma'am. martha: juan, thank you very much. >> good to see you, martha.

martha: juan williams joining us on that. herman cain is going to join us tomorrow and we look forward to talking to him more about this. this is a very hot topic in this whole race for the gop nomination. so we look forward to speaking to him about that. bill: be a big deal tonight in that debate, too. standing among true here oarks former president bush teeing off his warrior open in texas, stars of the gulf tournament, they are troops injured on the front lines, fighting for america, and the former commander in chief, he says watching them and getting to know them is not only fantastic, but it is moving. >> one of the purposes of the warrior open is to celebrate those who have served our country and to remind our fellow citizens how fortunate we are to have men and women volunteer in the face of danger. >> in 2004, i went into the battle of fallujah with an ak , took an ak47 to both knee, three years later, amputated my left leg and

working on my right leg, so the president saying thank you for your service, thank you for going over and fighting to your country and under my command, and he opens his home up to you, it's really an awesome feeling. bill: thank you. thank you. that is army sergeant justin bond, doctors plan to amputate his right leg which still has thousands of peatses of shrapnel inside of it. thank you if your service. martha: thank you to all of them and thank you to former president bush, who has dedicated so much of his time in his post presidency to making sure that we honor these wounded warriors and their families in so many ways. you know, he chooses all the time, and you can tell how much he enjoys being with the troops out there, and these heroes. bill: hats off. >> martha: hats off tom as well. bill: jury vin, texas. martha: let's take a look at the market this morning. it's been quite interesting over the past several days. bill: you're telling me. martha: down 47 points now after a strong day yesterday. we'll keep an eye on the dow jones industrial average as

the bailout plan for europe continues to be a lot of focus here, the dow on monday posting its largest gain since early august. very nice day. three hundred thirty-three points higher. so we won't ask too many questions about how it happened at this point, we'll just take it, right! bill: i don't know how you get 17 people to agree on anything, much less 17 countries him we'll see how they work this out. now, a top democrat has a big message for the occupy wall street protestors and it's not what you think. we'll play that for you. also take a look at this: >> martha: don't see that every day. hikers witnessed this incredible scene. it sounds like they were ready for it.

march let's get you some of what's developing in "america's newsroom", thailand racing to build flood walls on the outskirts of bangkok, part of the efforts to prevent the worst floods in history, killing more than 260 people there. senior white house adviser david plouffe saying none of the republicans who want president obama's job have put forth substantive proposals to lower unemployment and -- unemployment and any proposals won't help the economy get back on track, according to him. >> there is this, treasure found off the coast of ireland, salvage crews, saying the crittish -- british ship sunk by a german torpedo back in world war i holds $20 million in silver. time to get your diving gear on, bill hemmer! bill: go get it, huh! leave this job behind! not so fast. pennsylvania's governor has a message for the occupy wall street protestors. ed rendell telling radio

host and fox news contributor laura ingram the protestors need to go home and channel their frustration into next year's campaign. roll this: >> you made your point, you've gotten all of the publicity you're going to get. now get on with your lives and if you really care about this, organize it at the ballot box. you know, we can yell, on our side, we can yell and scream about the tea party, but the tea party folks understood how to make change in 2010. they got out and voted. bill: bob beckel, andrea tantoras, cohosts of the "the five". >> what's up? >> bill we got a surprise for bob in a couple of minutes. what do you think of rendell, andrea? >> i think he's smart. he comes from a critical state in election, pennsylvania, he knows this kind of thing, this kind of lawless activism and disrespect of authority does not play well in a center right country. i mean, it reminds a lot of

voters in pennsylvania and ohio of woodstock and the disrespect. he's right, this does democrats no good. do you really want a bunch of naked, sweaty bob beckels running around, is that really going to help your political movement? i don't think so! bill: let's listen to bob, the handsome man! lieberman is saying that democrats should run away from this group. >> first of all, the idea that they're lawless, i don't quite get. they're lawless, they're -- i mean, what law are they breaking? >> they're deaf indicating on police cars. >> excuse me, that's my booking call. i forgot to take my phone off. bill we can't hear it. go on. >> first of all, they're not lawless, secondly, the last person they're going to listen to, with all due respect, is ed rendell, a former governor of a machine state, these people are not much interested in what he has to say and there's been a lot of frustration built up over a lot of years, since most of the people responsible for the housing

crisis and a lot of the recession are sitting down in wall street buildings making a lot of money, and -- >> bill: where were they three years ago? >> that's the whole point. it's a delay in the action. bill: on this whole idea of lawlessness, it's starting to get play, bob. we did research and tried to figure out, a lot of people compared these protests to the tea party movement in the past two years, this is what we were able to find. two days before the historic vote on health care in the house, there were 21 arrests in washington, d.c., 21 antiabortion activists were arrested that day. we also found this, in april of this year, three arrested in phoenix during a tea party rally there. going back to october 7th, 4 days ago, there were 723 arrests in manhattan. and there were 100 people arrested late last night in boston. now, where do you find the lawlessness here? >> these guys cross a bridge, they stepped out on to a bridge and i think the police overreacted. they locked up 700 people.

>> come on, bob! >> they didn't get charged with anything, as usual, and republicans make hay out of this. i happened to be at woodstock, it was a nice event, it was wet but nice, a lot of drugs and things, but nonetheless, maybe not mainstream america, but the point is there's frustration out there and i don't think the average american gives -- much cares about who's protesting where. and -- >> bill: so you open your arms to them. >> absolutely. bill: is that a good strategy? >> it's not a good strategy because there's no message. look, democrats like bob and democrats who are in office are now forced to either embrace them, stupidly o. or defend them. do they really want this to be their message, defending these people down at wall street and elsewhere? >> going into an election year? and what's so bad, bob, about making money? people who make money give people jobs. >> not by breaking the law. >> people who make money down at wall street that are paying the majority of taxes, in a state like new

york, that is almost bankrupt, we need those money makers. and frankly -- >> bill: wait a second. >> those people -- >> [inaudible] >> bill: i'm going to talk over both of you. andrea, you mentioned message. here is the message from beckel. >> thank you very much. >> bill well done. >> thank you. i would have brought the sign today. i didn't know i could use it. >> we're going to upgrade that sign later. we'll get you away from the crayons and get you some sharpie markers. see you at 5:00, thanks andrea, thanks bob. on our website, bya, because you asked, file a question for bob and andrea, also, hemmer, foxnews.com, twitter at bill hemmer, right there for the asking, as we say, bya. martha: tonight, this is the big question, is it do or die time for rick perry this evening, and will be other candidates gang up on herman cain as we've seen them do as they go after the person

emerging? new top tier, folks. so what will the setting be like in larry sabato coming up on that. >> her heart stopped on the way to gym class. what teachers used to save her life.

bill: getting rejected in the paint, david stern, the latest negotiations it between players and owners failed to strike a new labor deal. the main issue, one guess, the green stuff and structure of a new salary cap. it all ties together. it's the nba's first work stoppage since the 1998-1999 season. nfl figured it out. martha: figure it out, folks, and quick. this is an incredible story. two teachers save a student's life after her heart suddenly stops. watch this video:

>> martha: incredible. this is a scary piece of video for anybody. look at that little girl, fell down in the middle of a hallway, 12 years old, she was on her way to gym class, her classmates rushed back to try to help her and thanks to quick thinking teach respect and this very important piece of equipment, an in-school defibrillator, shea ended up belg just fine. k -- ended up being just fine.ú? kris gutierrez has more. hey kris. >> reporter: good morning, martha. state law in texas requires that each school campus haveú?ú? at least one automated external defibrillator, or aed. simply put this device can save lives. one recent example was caught on this security camera. watch: >> 12-year-old kailee shea was walking to gym class when she unexpectedly got

tired. >> she felt odd so she decided to sit down. >> kailee passed out, her friends ran for help. >> she was laying right about here. >> coach kristen goodgen was by her side within seconds. >> this could be my job. that's one thing running through our heads, kaile needs us. >> the other coach was there to help. >> she was pail, her lips turned blue, i looked down and saw -- i didn't see my kid's face, but i'm like this is someone's child. >> kaile's heart stopped and cpr alone wasn't working. coach goodgen ran to get an aed and after two shocks, she began breathing. for her parents -- >> it's a miracle. >> when the doctor tells you there's a 1 percent chance they end up like this is an amazing story. >> now nearly two weeks later, the family is spreading the word that aeds save lives. >> kaile.

>> and as kailee returns to school she's thankful for the life saving device and those who were trained to use it. >> without them i probably wouldn't be here, so i just want to say thank you. i love you. >> believe it or not, across the country, not every state requires that schools have these aeds on school campuses. take it from kaylee's parents, it's worth asking, does your school require that aeds be on campus, where is it located and who's trained to use it. >> i'm going to find out today. i think they do, but boy, how great to bring that to the attention that those are needed everywhere. our doctors here have told us the same thing, you've got to have those around because they can truly save lives. what an emotional story, and good job by those incredible teachers who cared about that student in the way they needed to to save her life. bill: a fox exclusive on the fast & furious

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call this toll-free number on your screen now... for this free information kit, including this... medicare guide and customized rate quote. martha: we've got at fox news alert. this is a fox news exclusive this morninging. we're getting details on new subpoenas that are expected in the "fast & furious" investigation. attorney general eric holder is expected to get the order as soon as today and that is how we start a brand new hour of "america's newsroom" on a tuesday. glad to have you with us, everybody. i'm martha maccallum. bill: i'm bill hemmer. you said it felt like monday? martha: i wasn't here yesterday. bill: good morning. we're talking about the federal gun running sting that may have led to the death of american border agent brian terry. we're now learning the new subpoenas will focus on communications between senior officials at the department of justice. martha: that's right, bill. and this is a very big deal because until now the only subpoena went to atf. william la jeunesse who has

been on top of the story since the very begin something breaking this news for us this morning. william, good morning and what have you got? >> reporter: martha out of the dozens of demand letters so far from senator grassley and congressman issa there has only been one ish subpoena issued back in march. it only focused on the atf director, kennel son. it asks for specific documents related to murder of border patrol agent brian terry to resolve the conflicting accounts on type and number of guns found at the scene and where those came from. there is evidence that an fbi informant bought those guns in a deal set up by a dea informant. the subpoena also seeks to clarify the relationship with the white house. justice department has claimed this was a law enforcement operation, period. others however suspect a political motive, that some in the white house wanted the guns to cross the border to prove a case that u.s. dwuns guns are the predominant source of violence in mexico in order

to justify a ban or limit on the sale of assault weapons here. the subpoena demands any and all communication from a dozen top assistant and deputy attorney generals including the attorney general himself, eric holder. this could answer what holder knows. for instance, all wiretaps taps are approved by the chief of the criminal division, lanny brewer. agents say the affidavits are extremely detailed explaining exactly how the operation was run. you've got questions about a ringleader. that he bought some 800 weapons worth half a million dollars on a salary of only $15,000. or how petino bought 1300 guns while on food stamps. documents show that top doj officials knew this back in march of 2010 but did nothing to stop the pair from buying hundreds more weapons. finally the subpoena will request all communication with atf agents in mexico.

remember, martha, this was supposed to be a drug operation that focused on the cartels and arrest everybody top to bottom yet we never told our agents in mexico that subpoena could come as early as today or later this week. back to you. martha: very big news. william, thank you very much for reporting it for us. we'll speak with senator chuck grassley who has been involved in this from the very beginning. get his reaction to this new subpoena has come from the house. he of course is the member of the senate judiciary committee. that oversees the department of justice. he will join us live in a few minutes from now. bill: meanwhile we turn to 2012. a big one going down tonight. that be a debate and is it a make-or-break moment for rick perry? critics say it is do-or-die at tonight's republican debate in new hampshire. as the texas governor tries to regain momentum. numbers for perry are sliding. in a poll out of new hampshire perry is at the bottom in the granite state. romney leading at 30%.

rick perry at 4. carl cameron in his home state, handover, new hampshire. good morning, carl. has perry talked about what he needs to do tonight? >> reporter: yes. in fact the texas governor has been fairly candid about his need to do a little more book work, study up a little bit, perhaps get himself a full night's rest. he did have a very aggressive campaign weekend but he essentially let this day be dedicated to exclusively prep for today's debate because there is so much riding on it. there will not be a national audience at dartmouth in new hampshire. it will be watched in new hampshire and iowa. the two lead off votes. perry hard to say that there couldn't be much more riding on this. if he doesn't reverse the trend in what a real plummet empty polls his ability to continue to compete while well-funded will be suspected by a lot of conservatives. mitt romney leading in iowa in some polls as well as new hampshire and nationally there will be tremendous amounts of criticism and

attacks from the rest of the field on him. in this particular state there is one poll that shows he has a 33-point lead. really pretty extraordinary and not likely to last. in new hampshire particularly the undecided vote runs up in the 70% ratio at this point. most people don't make up their minds until the last week and a half. watch the battles but recognize there is still lots of time in a very short calendar ahead. bill: tell me about herman cain. he is surging in just about every poll we see. what is going on? >> reporter: herman cain, it is tremendous. he found ability to cast himself as the anti-romney in the face of rick perry's fall in the polls. for mr. cain, it is another opportunity to shine because in debates he is always proven himself to be quite strong. it comes amidst real criticism from liberal african-americans. harry bell fon tee the actor said herman cain is bad apple. harvard university civil rights activist, cornel west, mr. cain has to get off the symbolic crack pipe. he is using too much attention to talk about

issues aren't necessarily in interest of african-american voters. to that herman cain fired back. this is the georgia businessman on "hannity" last night. >> people like harry bell font tee, professor west and others who attack me they don't want black people to think for themselves. and this is why they are so upset with herman cain who is now moving up into the top tier for the republican presidential nomination and that people are listening to me. they don't want me to wake people up and get them to read the fine print and think for themselves. >> reporter: there are a handful of polls show herman cain is statistical dead heat for the frontrunner status in iowa and competing nationally knocking on the door for mitt romney in second place. he does not have the kind of money that the rest do but he certainly has the ability to garner the attention. tonight's debate performance for him is the opportunity to show he belongs in the top tier. we'll have plenty more debates before iowa and new hampshire cast their first votes. bill: each one of these

debates has been revealing in so many ways. we'll see what tonight reveals for the country. carl, thank you. carl cameron in hand over, new hampshire. martha: it is important on the campaign trail as you all well know it has the first in the nation presidential primary which is getting tougher and tougher to do with the way the calendar has been going. so far gop candidates made 1 a 59 stops there. totaling 296 days in the state. so they're getting their fill of these folks. only presidents clinton, george w. bush, obama have lost the new hampshire primary and gone on a to win the presidency. that is pretty impressive list. bill: i would say. meanwhile, jon huntsman was asked about this controversy over the comments on mitt romney's faith. dallas pastor robert jeffers, is under fire for referring to mormonism as a cult. huntsman, also a mormon got heat ad bit asked about it earlier today. on "fox & friends." listen

to it here. >> i can't think of anymore far-flung whether or not mormonism is a cult. the fact we're using bandwidth at all. the time that 15 million americans are unemployed. we have two wars abroad. schools that are failing. we are spending our time talking about whether or not mormonism is a cult? this is ridiculous. bill: we'll see whether or not religion comes up tonight. it could be a question. we'll see how much of a role that place in the state. martha: there is new warning from the president's top campaign advicer predicting huge voter backlash and another recession if congress fails to pass the president's $440 billion jobs bill. okay? we're hours away from a crucial vote on the president's jobs bill that will happen in the senate where it is expected to have a little bit of difficulty. kelly wright live at the white house with the latest on this. kelly, this is david axelrod we're talking about. this is memo that hands were gotten on. what does it say? >> reporter: i'm actually looking at this memo right now.

the top of it basically states congress needs to listen to the american people and pass the american jobs act. by the way, david axelrod, who of course is a senior campaign strategist for the obama campaign, issued this political memo on monday night. and in it he states that more the american people hear about the american jobs act or aja, which is what he calls it and more the president gets out in front of the people he goes on to cite the more americans want congress to pass it. that looks very unlikely at the moment. david axelrod going on to state that the american people agree with economists across the political spectrum who are saying that the aja will immediately create jobs and put more money in the pockets of middle class americans who are struggling to make ends meet, he says. yet republican leaders from congress to the presidential campaign trail have been steadfast in their opposition without approving, without providing an alternative that would create jobs now. axelrod also cites recent polling suggesting the

president is gaining momentum for support of the bill. however republicans and even some democrats in the senate who will vote on the bill tonight remain opposed to the plan and are prepared to vote no. martha: we've seen a lot of opposition even among democrats to this bill as you point out, kelly. that could be the president's toughest constituency to win over on this what is he doing to do just that? >> he is outcome paining for his jobs act today. he is going to pittsburgh and taubing to people there in pennsylvania which is going to be prove to be a very critical state for his re-election bid. he will talk to them about his jobs plan. we should point out as he so on the republican campaign trail there are presidential candidates out there who are disagreeing with him. martha: all right. >> give us a break here. this is about the third iteration of this jobs idea he had, this jobs stimulus. how did the last ones work? >> reporter: we should point out here axelrod is taking aim at the republicans but

he does not address some of those senate democrats who say that they are against the american jobs act. martha? martha: very good point. thank you very much, kelly wright at the white house. bill: 11 minutes past the hour right now. new subpoenas heading for the justice department after darrell issa question eric holder's credibility. facing tough questions what he knew and when. senator chuck grassley will ask some of those questions for the senate judiciary committee. he is our guest in three minutes. we'll talk to him live. martha: battle for gop nomination in one crucial swing state tightening as we speak. this is getting very interesting. what part will virginia play, folks on the road to the gop nomination? bill: she ran a 26 mile marathon in chicago. then she gave birth to a bouncing baby girl. mother and daughter said to be doing a-okay. we want to know how in the world this is possible. >> i was having a conversation with my parents the night before, saturday night. i was telling them you know

what? i have no plans of actually finishing. i have run a marathon pregnant but not 38 weeks, five days.

martha: darrell issa, congressman darrell issa, is now questioning attorney general eric holder's credibility in the gun running sting that is known as "fast & furious". holder stand by his claims he learned about the operation weeks before his testimony in may, blaming high-level doj officials for not, quote, briefing him sooner on this. darrell issa says something really doesn't add up about that. he says this. this is quote from darrell issa. it is simply not believeable that you were not briefed on "fast & furious" until a few weeks before your testimony. on your watch, it went speck tack alreadily wrong. whether you realize yet or not, you own "fast & furious". it is your responsibility. republican charles grassley who also has been very

involved in this investigation and questioning of this whole program, he is of course the ranking member on the senate judiciary committee. senator grace grassley thanks for being with us this morning. >> thank you, martha. martha: the word this morning, the news coming from our reporter on this, william la jeunesse, there will be a second subpoena now to doj and that the difference in this one is that the first one focused on information they wanted from atf. but this one is going straight to the department of justice to try to ascertain how much eric holder and others knew about this program and exactly how this operation ran. what if anything, i know it is on the house side, this request, what if anything can you tell us about that? >> well, what i know about the subpoenas is, first of all, i was not getting anywheres with my investigation which started with my first letter to justice department january the 27th. i was being stonewalled until i contacted congressman issa and he has the power of subpoena that i as a minority member don't have. so i think subpoena is a

route to get there. now i've gotten some documents from the atf but i don't believe i have had any documents from the justice department. and the extent to which there is subpoena now for documents from the justice department i think that goes the direction we need to go because we do know now know now a lot more than what we knew a few weeks ago, that there is a lot of people in the justice department know a lot more about this than our first correspond concerns -- correspondence led us to believe back in the spring. secondly that a lot of people high up in the justice department knew about it, including eric holder, way, six or eight months before our investigation even began. and they told us in some of the correspondence we had in the march-april time period that our accusations were absolutely false. we found out since then that was a false statement on

their part. so i think subpoena to, end my answer to your question is about the only way we're going to get it and it has to come through the majority party in the house because they aren't going to cooperate with me as a minority member of the senate. martha: i understand. so, you know, what you point to really, in your answer i believe, is the fact that these e-mails have surfaced since the initial subpoena which have eric holder's name on them. they were memos to eric holder that briefed him on "fast & furious". he claimed he didn't know about the program until couple weeks before the whole thing blew up and he was brought before that hearing to talk about it. i guess the central question is here, do you think they will comply with your request or the requests i should say coming from the house side from congressman issa? do you think eric holder's justice department will give you the information you want or they want i should say in this investigation now? >> well they might give us a paper that has that information on it but it could be redacted or blacked out as you've seen on

television. so in effect you aren't really getting the information and they may be technically complying but in good faith they're not complying because there can't be that much about this that you black out whole pages. you might black out a word here or there, or sentence here or there but you don't black out whole pages if you really want to be seen as cooperating with congress and cooperating with congress is one thing. but not answering a subpoena is entirely another thing. and you're abusing the constitution if you don't respond to a subpoena. martha: all right. so if you don't get the information that you want, i know you haven't gotten the information you wanted from the first subpoena, if it doesn't come forth in a more open way from the second subpoena, would you consider contempt charges against atf or the department of justice? >> well, that would be up to the house of representatives because quite obviously i'm not going to have the, the authority to do that as a minority member of the

senate. but, i would encourage house of representatives to use all power and all persuasion that they can and whether that leads to contempt charges i will leave to the house of representatives. i think this. we can not stop now because every day a new stone is turned over and new evidence, more leads to follow, and we have to get to the bottom of this in at least two ways. one, to find out who the highest person in our government, either within the justice department or the white house that approved this, and secondly, to make sure that a stupid program like this doesn't ever happen again that led to the murder of people with guns that were illegally sold, that our government knew about, that led to the murder of a government employee. we can't let that happen again. martha: border agent brian terry, who at the scene of his death two of these weapons were found and that's at the heart of this matter. senator grassly, thank you so much. i hope you keep us posted

and come back to "america's newsroom" and talk to us again about this as this is going forward. >> you call me anytime and i'll be there. martha: thank you, senator. we appreciate it. bill: a top army general says he is deathly afraid what spending cuts could do to troops overseas. what will that mean for our military? plus this, watch. >> there it is. there it goes. >> oh, my god. >> that is a massive cliff. that is erosion. where it went down, literally, only minutes away.

martha: all right. let's take a quick look at the headlines, rather. here now we're finding out what killed apple cofounder

steve jobs. according to the coroner's report he died of respiratory failure resulting from his long-term battle with pancreatic cancer. jobs passed away last wednesday at the age of 56. there is a new report out there that says that taking too many vitamins can actually shorten your life. researchers say that older women who take too many supplements actually increase their risk of death. so you better know exactly what you're taking and whether or not it is the right thing for you. riots erupting from peaceful protests in chile. demonstrators slamming columbus day and demanding recognition of their quote, indigenous rights. they basically say they want their land back. oh my. over to bill hemmer. bill: martha, we've got this, are you listening? martha: yeah, i'm listening. bill: from the finish line straight to the delivery room, a woman giving birth to a baby girl hours after finishing the chicago marathon. 26.2 miles. amanda miller was nearly 39

weeks pregnant. finished the race in about 6 hours 25 minutes which was ahead of her husband. she started feeling contractions during the run. she later stopped to get a sandwich and went right to the emergency room. have you heard? >> i have run a marathon pregnant but not 38 weeks, five days. so i said i have no plans on actually finishing. we'll just, we were pretty flexible. i was kind of planning on running about half. maybe skipping and walking across the finish line. >> now i think she is showing off. dr. cathleen london, family practice physician, assistant professor at cornell medical center at new york presbyterian hospital. you work at all those places? >> i do. bill: kudoes to her. >> absolutely. bill: how is this possible? >> so she is a trained runner. she ran half and walked half as per her physician's guidelines. and she had run at 17 weeks, she completed a marathon. this is woman who does it.

she's a runner. not me. [laughter] bill: some people are made to do marathons and other people are made to sit on the couch. as a doctor, was this adviceable? >> in this case, yes. this again, this is a woman who is a trained runner, there are women, this is not the first woman run all through her pregnancy. there was a group called the speed bumps in ohio. all women second and third try messter who completed marathon there. this is latest one of 39 weeks. you have paula radcliffe, all running through their pregnancies but they are trained runners. do i advise someone who take it up who hasn't been? absolutely not. bill: i'm telling you, daughter june was born at 10:29 evening in the 7 pounds and 13 ounces. mother and daughter said to be doing just fine. >> good for her. >> right. amazing. you're speechless, for crying out loud. >> i didn't like running at

all pregnant even at six weeks, you know? i look at women like this and that's terrific. so my patients who come to me, how do you feel? can you keep talking? the big thing we worry about is oxygen to the baby. she could actually keep talking while she was running. that's a big part of it. if that is going on and you feel good, please go for wit it. we want women active. bill: made her husband feel awful. i was beaten by my wife 39 weeks pregnant. thank you, doctor. we reached out to the hospital. we're hoping to reach amber. martha: i don't like her. she is making rest of us look bad. i think i had a big chocolate milk shake the day before i had my last child. whatever. overachiever. but that's okay. all right. more power to her, folks. this is it what is coming up. herman cain and mitt romney, speaking about overachievers, they're tied for the lead according to a brand new poll. this one from a key swing

state in the race for president. why the new numbers could be a game-changer, folks, going on in the gop nomination. we'll be right back. ♪ we're centurylink... new kind of broadband company committed to improving lives with honest, personal service, 5-year price lock guarantees and consistently fast speeds. ♪

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jackson's doctor are set to hear the rest of his interview when he sat down with the police just two day after michael jackson's death. claudia cowan is live in los angeles. claudia, what do we expect in terms of what we'll hear in this police interview? >> reporter: well, martha, jurors will hear more of the same descriptive emotional and even shocking audiotape as dr. conrad murray gives his version of events without exposing himself to cross-examination. dr. murray tells police that on that fateful morning he gave michael jackson four separate injections of sedatives that failed to put the exhausted singer who'd been rehearsing all night to sleep and that he finally gave in to jackson's desperate plea for his old standby, the milk, his nickname for propofol. murray says when jackson fell asleep, he left the room for two minutes, and when he returned, jackson had stopped priesting. despite all his efforts to

revive jackson, the singer never regained consciousness. the defense is going to try to prove that michael jackson, who was well versed in how to use these sedatives and an anesthetics, that he accidentally killed himself by giving himself an additional injection of this propofol, but prosecutors will point out that the only fingerprints found on the vials of these drugs, at least as far as we know, belong to conrad murray. martha? martha: all right, ya, thank you very much. claudia wowen, we'll get the latest from that trial coming up later this afternoon. bill: reaching a critical stage. okay, now, we move to 2012. a dead heat in a state that flipped in 2008 for the first time in more than 40 years. new polling numbers out of virginia, quinnipiac poll numbers show mitt romney and herman cain tieed at 21-21. rick perry running a distant third at 11%. why is virginia so important?

it promises to be a critical battleground this election for a very good reason. you go back through history, and virginia back to the early 1960s, it was a solid republican state. look what happened in 2004 when george bush went up against john kerry in the state of virginia. this wasn't even close. george bush beat john kerry by eight points. look what happened only four years later in 2008. barack obama up against john mccain. it flipped entirely. obama won the state by seven points over senator john mccain. so where does that leave virginia right now? larry sabato, director of the center of politics at the university of virginia, how you doing, sir? good morning to you. great to see you on that great new device you've got. bill: you're going to see a lot more of that, actually. cain and romney are favorites, rick perry's dropping there. what's going on? >> well, let's remember rick perry just a month or so ago was

lead anything the virginia republican primary, so it just shows you how quickly things have changed. much of perry's support has gravitated to cain. why? for one thing, he's very attractive, he comes across well, people like him, but he also has never been attacked. i think you'll see that change at tonight's debate. you're going to have herman cain attacked for the first time. bill: let me get to the debate in a moment here. you say a month ago, um, a republican leader in virginia guaranteed you that rick perry would win that state's primary. wow. >> that's right. well, he said very definitively there is no chance that mitt romney will win, it's going to be perry by a mile. he was thinking of it solely in terms of a romney v. perry race, and, of course, we can already see just a month later how much things have changed. but also, bill, don't -- let's not write off perry so quickly. yes, he's moved down because of two really bad debate

performances, but he could improve the debate performances. he raised $17 billion in the last quarter, he's got 15 million in the bank. you never write off somebody with that much money. bill: and also you'd think there would be a certain attraction to rick perry in virginia. now, in iowa mitt romney has a three-point lead over herman cain. in new hampshire romney has a lead by 30 points. i know there's a lot of volatility out there, but herman cain will be a focus tonight in this debate probably in a way folks like yourself did not even think even a month ago. you probably thought rick perry was the guy who really needed to do well, and he perhaps does, but do the others go after herman cain now, or is that premature? >> no, i think they have to. i would be willing to bet, for example, that rick santorum tonight, former senator santorum will go after herman cain because if cain doesn't come down, santorum has no chance to move up, and santorum knows it.

but he won't be the only one to criticize cai, this and his 9-9-9 plan. this is so similar to the michele bachmann phenomenon. i call bachmann a polling parable. think of the gateway arch in st. louis. they zoom up fast, then the scrutiny intensifies, and they come back down to earth. that could happen to herman cain as we go on as well. bill: would you put perry in that same category with that analysis? >> so far. of course, he may be a double gateway arch, you know in if. [laughter] he might go down and then go back up. what's really important to remember is even though the voting is going to begin probably in very early january now in iowa, this is an eternity between now and then. you're going to have tens of millions of dollars spent in advertising, much of it negative. all the personal campaigning, loads of additional debates. this is a roller coaster, and you should never project a

primary months in the future based on what you see in the polls today. bill: it is true as we talked with carl cameron 30 minutes ago, these debates reveal something every time. >> they do. that's right. bill: thank you, professor. larry sabato, university of virginia. good to have you back. here's martha. >> thanks. martha: well, we already knew, really, that the pentagon was facing cutbacks, but now we're learning exactly how they will effect american armed forces in the field, and the news according to one person is not good, folks. plus, this: >> oh, my god! bill: so the word is they reported a crack in the cliff. i don't know if they were expecting that though. [laughter] martha: there was one. i got news for ya. bill: there was up with. there was one. at aviva, we're bringing humanity back to insurance

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camera. not me, this. a massive cliff along the coast of england is no longer. >> oh, my god! bill: there was one. this video captured by geologists serving the site. the city officials able to close the path before anyone got hurt. they are a-okay. martha: all right. well, a top army commander is warning that spending cuts could cause the military to cut back on combat brigades. general ray odierno says $450 billion in cuts will have a severe effect, he believes, on our troops in iraq and afghanistan. so let's talk about that, what the ramifications might be, a retired four-star general and a fox news military analyst, very impressive titles, and we're

very happy that you made time for us today, general. good to see you. >> it's good to see you, martha. good morning. martha: obviously, there's cuts across the board, and the military has to, basically, cut $350 billion over the next ten years. do you agree that it's impossible to do that without some of that coming from these combat brigades? >> well, the intent is to cut some force structure out of the army. the challenge we have, martha, is that the army already is too small. that is the reason why there's been so much stress and strain on our forces by these continual rotations. we would not have had to send our troops as frequently if we had a larger army coping with the longest war in our history. martha: how do you change that situation? how do you get a bigger army and find ways to cut the budget overall? >> first of all, general odierno will not be able to grow the army, that argument will not hold. he'll have to fight to keep the army at its current size and not have it diminished. and the fact is, the people who are doing the cutting, they think they can predict the future. and the reality is we cannot.

and we always have strategic surprise. we faced it with pearl harbor, the north korean invasion, the collapse of the soviet union, saddam hussein invading kuwait and 9/11. and even milosevic, four wars in europe. strategic surprise, we're not able to predict the future, we're not going to be able to predict the future in front of us. we need forces that are ready to deal with that unpredictable future. martha: all right. so what do you do? do you think it should be hands off, no cuts at defense, or are you in favor of some cuts in defense as long as they don't branch into the actual boots on the ground? is. >> we've got to be very careful. secretary gates has already taken out $100 billion, then he was asked to take another 85 as he was walking out the door. to come back in and take close to another 400 billion out, i think, is going to cut into the muscle and the bone of all the services, not just the army, and it's going to put us at risk. martha: obviously, the military knows if cuts aren't made, then these triggers will kick in

congress, and the triggers will force even deeper cuts in a lot of others, so there's so much pressure on this supercommittee in congress to make sure they agree on these cuts so that we don't end up hitting these triggers and causing even deeper cuts. is that why we're hearing about this, because they're trying to put pressure on the supercommittee so they don't have to go deeper with this knife? >> that's part of it. 600 billion of that is entitlements, another 600 billion of that, virtually 50% of that, comes there the defense department. that would absolutely break the bank. we would be a mere shadow of our former severals. selves. martha: i think there are areas that can be cut, every area across the board can be cut. tell everybody your take because you have such, you know, such a deep bank of knowledge with exactly how the military works. what would happen, you know, how would our lives change?

how would we be less secure if we went to this extreme in these defense cuts, in your opinion? is. >> fundamentally, what happens is the capability of the united states military is mostly about a deterrent force. we see it being used, obviously, in deployments around the world. but what we do and what's not seen by the american people are the things that we prevent from happening. thugs and killers in the world impose their will. that is a constant that's gone on throughout our lifetime. we keep those thugs and killers at bay by having a strong military knowing we can come for them. if we reduce the bone and muscle of the military, it invites that kind of risk behavior on the part of other countries, and then when we have to respond, we cannot respond with the kind of preparedness that we need to have, and we wind up jerking the military around and trying to pump resources into it at the last minute. this has been a cycle and a pattern of our behavior since world war ii. martha: very important. we've got to give them what they need and have enough of them is the bottom line. general, thank you so much.

good to talk to you, as always. >> good talking to you, martha. bill: in a moment, jenna will be standing by with a lot coming up on "happening now." jenna: we certainly do, bill. there's a disturbing new report on the state and future of the u.s. economy. we're going to talk to jeffrey sachs about that, also speak to the white house today on jobs as well. bret baier's going to break down the state of the gop field, plus the president of the company that struck gold again by actually striking silver, finding that ship wreck of buried treasure. we're going to talk to the ceo of that company, coming up. bill: what's silver per ounce? is. jenna: gosh, i don't know. here it is, $32. there you go, it's up today. all these screens today. you can't's came 'em. -- you can't escape 'em. bill: all right, how about some marijuana-themed candy? it's popping up all around the country, and some parents have a few things to say about that, don't they, now?

martha? martha: all right, and this story is also coming up moments from now. what happened to this little girl, 10-year-old lisa irwin? what police are find anything a newly-discovered surveillance tape. that's coming up. >> she's not there, and we just got up and started screaming for her and looking everywhere, and she wasn't there. >> she's ten months old, lisa's ten months old. >> she'll be 11 months old on the 11th. her birthday's next month.  the best approach to food

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martha: trick or treat? well, here's a new idea for your halloween bowl by your front door. you've got pot-shaped lollipops, and it's actually a real lollipop, but it's causing a major uproar with participants across the country. the pothead candies come wrapped

in packaging that supports legalization of marijuana. look at the guy on the cover of that one. critics say it sends a pro-drug message to children. the company says it's strictly business, folks. >> we spot trends that are in the marketplace, and we make product to capitalize on those trends. i don't view personally candy as a gateway drug. you know, these products, they feature the legalized because they're expressing a political position, and it's a first amendment right to sell it. martha: well, there's that argument for it right there. there's already a move to have this candy banned in stores. i don't want my kids putting that ring on their finger. it's simply a bad message. bill: costume in there somewhere. the trial for the man known as the merchant of death is now underway. victor boot, accused of conspiring to kill americans, including selling weapons to terror groups. he denies those charges. eric shawn live outside the

courthouse in new york city. what do you expect today, eric? >> reporter: hey, bill. right now american citizens are piling into the wood-paneled courtroom behind me all to sit in judgment of victor boot. he's the only accused arms dealer who has a web site, victorboot.com. boot was nabbed in 2008 during a dea sting which he allegedly has been charged with conspiracy to kill americans. he has a reputation as the world's leading arms supplier. experts say this trial will peel away the shadowy world of arms dealing. he allegedly offered to sell 800 surface-to-air missiles, 5,000 ak-47s, also allegedly made more than $50,000 from the taliban. experts say he's made a fortune arming the world. >> victor boot is one of the most maniacal individuals who has no concern for the many

places in the world where he's trafficked weapons. we're talking about countries devastated by war, countries where american troops have been at risk, countries where terrorists are operating. >> reporter: and reports say his personal worth? more than $6 billion. bill: that's remarkable. has a web too. what is he saying about his defense, eric? is. >> reporter: his lawyers say the web site says he department do it. they portray him as a legitimate businessman who ran a cargo airline. here's a quote from victorboot.com. sounds almost like match.com. victor boot is a charismatic, spontaneous, well-dressed, well spoken and highly energetic person. victor may have violated some laws somewhere, however, he was not that arms trafficking man presented to the public by the propaganda jockeys through the media. his brother blames the u.s.

[speaking in native tongue] >> translator: i am mostly concerned the americans allowed themselves to arrest a person in such an improper way. they seized him, stole him. >> reporter: well, his lawyer would not return our calls for comment. by the way, if boot is convicted here, bill, he faces life in prison. bill: we'll watch that trial. thank you, eric. eric shawn's in new york on that story. martha? martha: big question tonight, and it is whether or not the presidential candidates have found sort of a new target as they get ready for the debate tonight, have they found a new front runner that they're going to be piling on? you've seen the way these things have gone in the last few rounds. we're going to talk about that coming up. [ female announcer ] so you think your kids are getting enough vegetables? yeah, maybe not. v8 v-fusion juice gives them a full serving of vegetables

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