you' going to deci about it. "fox & friends" starts right now. >> hi, everybody. welcome to a brand new week and, of course, just when you think you have an idea what we're going to lead the show with, this tragedy happens yesterday in las vegas, nevada. >> absolutely awful. a fella who won the indy 500, dan wheldon died in a terrible crash. they were just in lap 11 of the indycar finale in las vegas. and you probably already have seen the pictures. the eyewitnesses and the -- >> look at that right there. it was -- one of the drivers said when they came around the track, it was like driving through a terminator movie. there were so many different car parts that had just absolutely splintered and blown off the car. >> and so dan wheldon was only 33 years old. he had won the indy 500 twice. he was married and had two small boys. and now we're going to hear from witnesses and other drivers as they reacted to his death.

>> car wrecks and everything, those are a part of the race and all but you never want to see somebody pass away because of that. >> to be here and to see it, you know, it's kind of -- definitely, we're all kind of touched and, you know, to think about his family and definitely makes you think a lot about your life and, you know, you never know. >> but to lose somebody that close and that we know so well so, just ask everybody to pray for him. >> ask everybody in this field, if we could choose a way to go, that's the way. >> almost his third race of the year and dan wheldon had cut back after winning the indy 500 and at the last moment, he ended up joining the indy 500. he said i'm not going to race that much. i want to spend time with my young family. he was 34th on the start there. and he did have some worries before the race about his car. >> yeah, in fact, he had been

blogging for "usa today" and some of the things he had shared with his readers, he did talk about how at the kentucky speedway last week, he didn't have quite the speed. off the pace, this past weekend and then he wrote, as you can see right here, so far, things haven't been going very well as we've started our procedure at the go daddy indycar challenge, it's been a very difficult weekend for us so far. but we've been -- ooi been watching these guys work their tails off trying to fix this problem and i believe they'll turn it around before sunday's race. it is incredibly frustrating. brian, explain -- i understand he was up for a $5 million jackpot. >> yeah, i think it was something where he combined with -- because he won the indy 500 and it was his third race, and they were trying to get momentum behind this race, if he would have won, it would have meant splitting a jackpot with a lucky fan. >> exactly. and one of the things was he was worried his car wasn't fast enough and ironically people yesterday at the race said cars

were going almost too fast. they were reaching speeds of 225 miles per hour. you can see right here the photo of dan wheldon with his beautiful family. his young son only 7 months old and the other one was 2 and his wife suzy. >> so we'll continue to follow that for you today. in the meantime, let's do some other headlines for you on monday. the growing search for missing baby lisa irwin entering its second week now. dozens of national guard troops joined the search over the weekend combing through wooded areas in kansas city. >> no new lead brought us to this location. what you have here is new manpower, additional manpower. >> they're going over it with like a fine toothed comb. i mean, they're really getting down in there and looking. >> lisa's parents claim that she was snatched from her crib. police still have not named a suspect. the man detained in the disappearance of a maryland woman in aruba seeking his release today in court. police arrested gary giardano in august days after robin gardner

was least seen on a beach in aruba. his attorney will argue that aruban authorities don't have enough evidence to continue to hold him there. the 50-year-old has yet to be charged. presidential candidate michelle bachmann teaming up with trump tonight to host a tele town hall. they will answer questions over the phone about the 2012 race and the state of the economy. this comes as bachmann has been losing ground in the polls and the fundraising battle. at 8:30 a.m. east coast time, the donald will be joining us here on "fox & friends." president obama on hand for the dedication ceremonies for the dr. martin luther king jr. memorial in washington, d.c. >> ♪ amen >> the memorial is near the spot where the civil rights leader delivered his "i have a dream" speech. president obama says dr. king's work is not yet finished.

>> so with our eyes on the horizon and our faith squarely placed in one another, let us keep striving. let us keep struggling. let us keep climbing towards that promised land of a nation, a world that is more fair and more just and more equal for every single child of god. >> president obama was 6 years old when dr. king was assassinated in 1968. and those are your headlines this morning. and speak of president obama, he's going to be doing another bus tour in the same bus that he did through the midwestern states about two months ago or so. and this time, he's going to pivotal states again, he's going to north carolina and virginia. two states that he narrowly -- well, actually, virginia he won big in 2008. they were relatively surprise states. they hadn't gone democratic in quite sometime. >> in 2000 and the prior election to that, in 2004, you got to win florida and got to win ohio and the battle was on. now, it seems to be reconstructed because of the

success that president obama had in those two states last time. north carolina surprisingly in his column and virginia. right now, his approval rating in both is -- must be concerning because in north carolina it's at 44%. 53% disapproval, in virginia, 45% and 52%. >> he's going to go out to the airport and say we need a different runway and taxiway here because they're too close to each other and he'll be going out to some community colleges and high schools and fire stations and say we need to continue to fund the teachers and the firefighters. >> and he's not going to say it like that, though. he's going to say i'd like to keep firefighters here, i'd like teachers here but republicans don't. >> all about the jobs bill. >> he's going to say pass this bill but the thing is the senate didn't pass this bill. i wonder if he's going to mention the fact that the senate did not pass it. he's going to continue to say probably the republicans do not have a plan to go up against his although the senate at least now apparently has a plan on the republican side. >> right. brian, you mentioned the

president's approval rating in those two states in the low 40's. the troubling statistic, though, particularly in the commonwealth of virginia is the fact that 83% of virginians feel that the country is headed in the wrong direction. and if you're president of the united states and you want to say, hey, your life is better off now than four years ago, right? it's not? that could be very troubling. >> my hunch is he won't try to deny that. he'll just blame it on the mess he was left. >> tough times. >> let's see exactly what he says when he gets on the bus tour and the same time, you have some democrats now who, i guess, privately are saying that they're not that satisfied with the job that president obama is doing. we're talking specifically now about mort zuckerman who has been a supporter of the democratic party for a long time and he's also the owner of "the new york daily news" and there's an article written in "the wall street journal" today about him and a visit that was paid to him and here's what he says is going on behind the scenes. there is enormously widespread anxiety over the political

leadership of the country. the sense is that the policies of this government have failed. what they say about mr. obama speaking now about other billionaires that zuckerman talks to, when he's not in the room, so to speak, is astonishing. >> he's made a lot of money with his boston properties as well and he's the head guy at "u.s. news & world report" but what's interesting is he's famously quoted now two months ago, he said i long for a triple a president to run a triple a country and he says because things have gotten so -- they're at this stage right now, he says the only solution is to broaden the tax base, simplify and lower rates. he says that 999, a little too simple for him but generally tax reform has got to happen for this country to go forward. >> and he also speculated on this. he took notes because he's a billionaire about the millionaires and billionaires blamed over the last few weeks for this movement, he says the door was open by the obama

administration going after millionaires and billionaires as if everybody who was a millionaire and billionaire didn't earn it. to fan that flame is divisive and very dangerous for this country. >> and that is so important because what he's alluding to after that paragraph is the paragraph about occupy wall street. so some of the things that we've been questioning on this show as well and asking you as viewers, do you think that kind of dialogue has fueled the flame, whatever that is, make the protesters go down there. >> whatever it is. i didn't get a lot of sleep last night. >> florida is a hot place. a lot of people like to go down there and spend a little money. if you go to the hotel in st. augustine, florida, there's a good possibility that you could run into a fella at the front desk by the name of shawn may. he was the desk supervisor until thursday. mr. may decided that he was going to wear, as he has in the past, a flag pin like that right

there from news 10, thank you very much for the credit. he wore one to duty but his boss said, hey, you have to take it off. it's violating company policy. he said i'm not going to take it off. he said you have to take it off or you're going home. he said i'm going home, then. why this worker was fired. here's the quote. the american flag greets every guest and employee with the symbolism of the belief in our great country. our employee handbook clearly states no other badges, pins or insignias of any kind are supposed to be worn. it's a standard of regulation that insures equality to all employees. that's the response that he could not wear -- couldn't they single out the emblem of our country to wear -- couldn't that be an addendum in our policy that flags are ok. slippery slope and before you know it, everybody else wants to wear their own insignia. aren't we all americans? i don't understand that. >> i remember at bennigan's they

used to encourage you to wear no nukes or a smiley face. why can't you be more like bennigan's although they're out of business. >> p.c. police has taken over. >> if the hotel is watching right now, here's a suggestion. why don't you incorporate the american flag into the uniform so he wouldn't be breaking the rules? i know they've got a whole bunch of military personnel who live down in that area. it would be a nice salute to it. besides, the problem is for the company right now that runs the hotel, there are people who are organizing boycotts and stuff like that. this is bad for business. >> you know what would be great, if they took off the pin and did a face painting because you can't wear an emblem but you can be a face painter. >> what about a flag tattoo on your forehead? >> that worked for mike tyson on his face. it looks fantastic. >> coming up at 7:30, we'll talk to a veteran who is calling for that boycott of the hotel. >> coming up straight ahead, a new report just out says our state department called the family of a terrorist to offer

the government's condolences for killing them. it's a practice done pretty often. should it be? that's next. >> take a close look, a cheerleader danced her way right off the mat into the pool. wait until you see what she did next straight ahead on this monday "fox & friends." [ male announcer ] drinking a smoothie with no vegetable nutrition? ♪ [ gong ] strawberry banana! [ male announcer ] for a smoothie with real fruit plus veggie nutrition new v8 v-fusion smoothie. could've had a v8.

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he's the co-chair of the human rights commission and creator of the iraqi study group and the author of this new book "prisoner of conscience, one man's crusade for global, human and religious rights." congressman, your reaction to the state department's move on this. >> well, al-awlaki was a bad guy. he was responsible for the death of the major. he radicalized a lot of people. khan was with him and he was published in a magazine called "inspire" telling you how to make bombs and radicalizing a lot of people here in the united states so i do not think there was any apology for that. no, there should be no apology. >> did you see some of the magazine that this guy was an editor for and some of the headlines in it? let's run through some of them. use the pickup truck for a mowing machine to mow down the enemies of allah. maximum carnage, you can imagine the scene after such an operation and, of course, in summer of 2010, their edition led with this story. how to build a bomb in the

kitchen of your mom. making actone peroxide. you get the idea. this is a bad guy. does the administration have to be informed if the state department is going to pick up the phone and do this? >> i think the president -- the white house would have known clearly because i think the state department would not have acted without the administration. >> so is it counterproductive to our fight on terror? giving a message of weakness? >> it is counterproductive, the whole effort with the closing down guantanamo bay is counter productactive and the whole effort of moving khali shaikh mohammed to new york city is counterproductive, yes the whole effort is counter productactive. >> arab spring, it's disturbing for the most schooled scientist, how upset are you that in february, democracy seemed to be springing eternal. doesn't seem to be happening. >> i was in egypt three months ago. the christians and their 8 1/2 million are living in fear. they are living in fear and then last week, if you will, 26 christians were killed with vehicles owned by the egyptian

government. so i think we should be very concerned. i think the president should speak out. if you remember, in the cairo speech, he never mentioned the copti christians. they have been there longer than everyone. they have given egypt over $50 billion and it's very difficult if you're a christian to even get a job in government. >> and the election comes up. your reaction -- what should we be doing in syria, if anything? >> we should be looking for a regime change. >> and working towards it? >> every way, regime change in syria. regime change in iran. every way. we should be using the same principles that ronald reagan used during the 1980's where he pushed in each and every way sanctions supporting a democratic people there. it took the administration months before they said anything with regard to iran until that young girl was killed, as you recall, they said nothing. use the same thing that ronald reagan did. push everywhere you can. with the internet now, we can bring down both of those governments. >> congratulations on the book and thanks so much for your

perspective. "prisoner of conscience, one man's crusade for global, human and religious rights. "thanks so much. >> thank you. >> all right. 18 minutes after the hour. still ahead, he was the president's car czar, well, he orchestrated the auto bailout and cash for clunkers. now the post office wants the carp czar to help them out. then today marks 1,000 days since president obama took office so how is he doing? our next guests are handing out report cards. my name is ron orsini, i'm forty eight years-old, i love to swim, and i love to walk outside. osteo bi-fl has really helped my kne. osteo bi-flex has been incredible for me,

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>> couple of quick headlines for you right now.

live look at a six alarm fire in boston where 11 people were rushed to the hospital after escaping that six alarm blaze. a resident later admitted he tried to blow up his own home. wow. and at least 80 people are dead after a week of heavy rain in central america and it's going to keep raining for a few more days now. el salvador is the hardest hit country. at least 32 people there killed by mudslides. tens of thousands more forced from their homes. there you go, you saw the graphic right there. today marks president obama's 1,000th day in office so how's he doing? what do you think? all right what do the people on tv think? the director of communication for american crossroads and former press secretary for nrcc and he joins us screen left. meanwhile, screen right, david mercer is a democratic strategist, they are here to

give us the grades. good morning to both of you. >> good morning to you, steve. >> john not that, let's start with you. overall, what kind of a grade would you give president barack obama? >> i would give him a d and i think that that's actually pretty generous. if you look at the way the president sold his first jobs and stimulus package back in 2009, by his own standards, he has failed. when they passed that package back in 2009 they promised a 6.5% unemployment rate by october of 2011 and we're now really at a 9.4% unemployment rate. 14.9 million americans out of work. millions more are, you know, in part-time employment. it's very, very difficult to look at that record and to give him anything higher than a d, i believe. >> for you. let's look on the bright side of things for david. what kind of grade would you give the president on this, the 1,000th day of his administration? >> i wouldn't be trying to avenge some grades i got from my professors back years ago and i'd give him a b plus. and the reason for that, that's

on average the gpa, if you will, when you couple in giving him a b plus on the economy, i don't think anybody but the president really knows the magnitude of the crisis we were facing and the consequences of it. he stood his ground. he faced it down to stem the tide and preventing stopping the building that was costing us 600,000 a job getting to a net job growth. now the question was on the projections which i think were a little closer than what jonathan alluded to in promising 8% unemployment, to be off by a margin of error of 1% does have consequenceses for those that are unemployed but at the same time, we did stem the tide and we will reverse that. and what we really need here for him to perform to an a level is the same kind of commitment and patriotism in providing for our troops, providing for our security, we need an economic

surge to get us on the course permanently. >> the economic surge, david, was supposed to be the stimulus. >> absolutely. >> what's got to be troubling -- >> jonathan, this for you. we just saw bus force one right there idling, the president is going to jump in it a little later on today. the fact that he is going to do a three day swing through a couple of swing states, that says a lot about what the white house thinkers have in mind regarding his re-election, doesn't it? >> i think it also says a lot about the second stimulus plan that he's proposed. i mean, this is less of a jobs bill, i think, than a re-election strategy and he has to go to states like north carolina and virginia, states that he won in 2008 and try to resell this new jobs plan. now, the problem is that the difference between the current jobs bill and the first jobs bill very, very similar types of legislation. the difference is that this one has a very, very large tax increase attached to it so when you look at all of these things lined up over 10% unemployment in north carolina. this is a person that's going to have a very, very difficult time

making the case because he just has very little credibility on the economy. given all the big promises that he made regarding the first jobs bill. the second thing to look at really is the incredible amount of debt that's been added to the national debt on the president's watch in the last three years. very, very difficult case to be made on the economic side. >> all right. real quick, david. rebuttal? >> the rebuttal would be that the reason he's on the road is to correct the myth that john just put out there with regard to what he's trying to do because there is no tax increase in this. it has to do, in fact, with a tax cut extension to the middle class to put more money in their pockets, to provide incentives for small business to hire again, and just like we had to make adjustments in a surge both in iraq and afghanistan, and we came up with the resources to do it, we need to do the same thing for the middle class. >> very good. we're going to have to enter right there. i give you both an a for the debate so early on this mound

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what's going on here. there is about 80% of the israeli public that supports this deal. 60%, though, say even though they support it, it's going to mean more attacks. more dead israelis and at least for the people who have already been victims of these attacks, they're saying we understand that people want this soldier home but what was my son's life worth? >> the bombing in jerusalem killed 15. the attack in tel aviv killed more than 20, mostly teenagers. the bus bombing killed 17 and now the men and women behind some of israel's most deadly and horrific suicide attacks will go free. >> does that seem fair to you? >> it's not -- it's not fair. it's not just. >> joseph zurr is like many fathers who now feel betrayed by a government willing to trade hundreds of convicted killers for one young soldier. >> the state of israel first to

prevent this and now betraying him and me the second time by releasing his mothers. >> the victims' families are now marching to the prime minister's office to go ahead and protest this deal. they have white flags with them. and they say this is a deal that basically is a surrender to those people who have promised to kill more israelis. >> this deal is going to bring two things. one is more kidnappings. and second, more terror attacks. >> i have three other children who have live in israel and i'm worried about their safety. >> history tends to repeat itself here in the middle east and we can look back to the last major prisoner exchange deal that occurred for israeli soldiers and people who were released in that deal, the palestinian prisoners have been directly tied to the killing of about 175 israelis so there is certainly a lot of fear here

about what this deal means long term. back to you in new york. >> all right. live for us, very interesting story there. thanks so much. >> all right, meanwhile, other headlines for you early on this monday morning. details of the autopsy just released on the high school football player who collapsed on the field in the third quarter of the game and died. 16-year-old ridge barden of phoenix, new york, died from bleeding in the brain after forceful bodily contact. his mother obviously devastated. >> so shocking, you know, and he was with us and -- >> boy, she said her son had no pre-existing medical problems. >> another sign the u.s. postal service bailout may be coming. the union representing mail carriers hired the man president obama turned to when the auto companies were in trouble.

ron bloom is a former wall street investment banker who specializes in restructuring. the car czar's new job, turning around the post office that faces a $10 billion deficit this year. >> good luck. >> virginia governor bob mcdonald is donating $5 million to victims of the 5.8 earthquake that hit his state in august because fema denied luisa county millions of dollars in relief aid and comes after president obama declined an invitation to visit the area today. homeowners face $18 million in damages. 24 homes were destroyed and heavy damage done to schools and churches. >> soggy situation for a cheerleader at mexico's pan am games. the 21-year-old misjudged how far she was from the edge of the pool and who hasn't done that? >> sure. whoo! >> they fell in. the show went off. while the fellow teammates helped her out of the water kind of, she finished the routine soaking wet. >> she goes down. >> down but not out. >> why are they doing a routine so close to the pool? >> don't understand dancing. >> you're right.

i don't. >> like i do. >> listen, people are getting wet in south florida. look at the thunderstorms moving through the keys at this hour. we've got, oh, my goodness, some red flashes in there as well as the deep gold and yellow so it is a wet and noisy start to the day in south florida. also, widely scattered showers from portions of new england down through the big northeastern corridor states and some widely scattered showers in portions of west virginia. the central plain states are dry. there is a little bit of rain out in the inner mountain region. as you step out on this monday morning, it's almost 60 degrees in new york city. a lot of 40's through the northern plains and the ohio valley. 50's in the mid atlantic. 60's through much of dixie land back through dallas and 70's in south texas and south florida. later on, on this monday, temperatures are going to warm up toward 90 across much of texas. el paso, probably a little past that. out in phoenix, arizona, 99 should be the daytime high and

meanwhile, mid 80's in the mid atlantic. 80's throughout much of the great of florida and 50's and 60's across the northern third of the u.s. of a. brian? >> thanks, steve. updating our top story that we opened the show with. the tragic death of indy driver dan wheldon. april kellogg of our affiliate is live where wheldon lived. what's the mood there? i can only imagine. >> a sad day for racing but definitely a sad day here in the city of st. petersburg as well. dan wheldon was very well known in this community and very well known for racing these very streets in downtown st. petersburg behind me. killed over the weekend in the 15-car pile-up in that vegas race. dan wheldon was a star on the indy track but a prominent member of this st. petersburg community. people here this morning are taking the news rather hard. flowers and cards are being

dropped off outside of wheldon's home on snell isle here, wheldon bought a home here shortly after winning the st. pete grand prix in 1995. he fell in love with our city and was quoted as calling st. pete his adopted city and he leaves behind a wife and two small children. that memorial outside of his house expected to just grow. we are being told as far as some sort of community event that's being planned, grand prix members as well as city leaders woushging right now to try to organize something for this entire community to come out and just say their final well wishes. we are still learning about that but it's just expected it will be later on this week. back to you in new york. >> all right, april, thanks so much. all right, let's turn to other sports news. the texas rangers already in the world series last night, the cardinals trying to join them. the brewers looking to force a game seven. let's look at game six. from milwaukee, the cardinals bats didn't give the brewers a chance. first inning already 1-0 cards. that's david freese taking it deep and gone. 4-0 cardinals before the chairs

were even warm. and a little bit later, albert pujols who has had a great series would put the game out of reach with a single. demolition by the cardinals. win by a final score of 12-6 and play texas in the world series. we know football is rough. last night, a fight between coaches after the game. after the 49ers beat the lions to give the lions their first loss of the season and at home, this the handshake between niners and jim harbaugh, the lions coach jim schwartz says he used an expletive and slapped him on the back. he wasn't happy about it. he went after harbaugh. harbaugh was trying to get off the field. the two had to be separated by the players. talk about a role reversal and both talked after. no one was apologetic. harbaugh says he didn't say the expletive and i sense -- i sense a rivalry. >> do you? >> all right. >> right there. >> whoa. you heard him say something. >> he said he was probably too hyped up after. he said he didn't mean it.

i heard him say afterwards that's the way he does it. he's a little college like. >> strong guy. >> you know. >> stanford people are very emotional. >> you can't -- you never know. >> you never know. >> using an expletive. >> coming up on the show, he's hoping it will take him all the way to the white house. >> i call it my 999 plan. >> but can it really work? we're going to debate the issue next. >> case of lost and found 60 years in the making. one man gets his father's missing wallet after 60 years and it is filled with priceless memories. úy

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>> welcome back, everyone, 45 minutes after the top of the hour. is herman cain's 999 plan losing some of its luster as critics get a closer look into it. they are claiming sales tax would be more than 18% then in some states when it's combined with state and local taxes. but herman cain says that's wrong. >> if you add them together, yes, you'll get that number. this is a replacement structure. these are replacement taxes. your state taxes are the same. your federal taxes in most cases are going to go down. >> so today, cain promises to reveal more details of his 999 plan but what do economists think of what we know already?

joining me now for a fair and balanced debate, kevin hasset, director of policy studies at the american institute and federal budget policy analyst at the economic policy institute. good morning to both of you. >> good morning. >> kevin, let me start with you, do you like this plan and why? >> yeah, i like this plan a lot and there's three reasons. one is it's a credible plan and it's very well designed. it comes from a proud tradition of tax theory. the second reason that i like the plan is the numbers add up. they hired fiscal associates a well known firm to do the scoring, same firm i hired to score mccain's plan. the numbers add up. the third thing is it would grow the economy, it would cut the unemployment rate by three percentage points. big plus from where we are. >> a lot of people say i'd love to go down to the 9% tax bracket. what they don't like about the plan is the increase in the sales tax and we showed that map before. some states like in new york, you'd be paying 18% almost when you go to buy a good.

you see that as a problem? >> the 999 plan is the first phase of herman cain's tax plan and the second part would be eliminating the 9% business tax and 9% income tax and replacing it with a flat sales tax. you'd have a sales tax of about 30%, if you're concerned about double digit consumption taxes because they're highly regressive or highly distortionary, that's what you should be concerned about and it's a valid concern. you're talking about shifting the burden of taxation from upper income households to lower income middle class americans. >> how? >> how? lower income households spend a much higher share of income on consumption. warren buffet can't consume $40 million a year. you eliminate taxes on wealth and you slash business taxes and if you wanted to raise the same amount of revenue necessarily lower income and middle income households pick up a bigger share of the tax burden. >> do you agree with that? >> well, i think it's going to depend on the details that, in fact, some of them we'll be getting today about how much of

what they call a demegrant or forgiveness of tax at the beginning that herman finally decides on but generally when there's a movement to a consumption tax like this, then what we do is for poor people we forgive them the first x dollars of consumption and don't charge a tax. it's possible to make this as a structure and make it as progressive as you want and the bottom line is the people that are really hurting right now are the ones that don't have jobs and this plan would create jobs and so to argue against this plan based on fairness seems to me like a big stretch. heck, the unemployment rate is 9%. >> some people say that the costs wouldn't be an 18% sales tax because the corporate tax would also go down and therefore, if you can follow all this chain of events, consumer goods would actually go down in price as well so the consumer really wouldn't be paying as much tax. do you agree with that? >> no, i doubt much of the consumption gets passed on the consumer any form. most likely, you'll see the corporate side of this passed on to workers as the payroll tax,

the employers side of the payroll tax is passed on to workers. to get back to kevin's point, this isn't a job creations bill. what kevin is talking about is long term supply side and growth effect. we've got 25 million underemployed americans and you're not going to see a change in the unemployment rate because of this. we have a huge aggregate demand problem and the economy is running a trillion dollars below potential aeliminating taxes on capital gains isn't going to change that next year. you're not going to see any noticeable employment gains in the next year or two. we don't need jobs a decade from now but need jobs today. >> that's why we debated this topic. two points of view. herman cain will add more details to the plan today. thanks so much. >> thanks, gretchen. >> occupy wall street has a new target, the united states of america? >> [beep]. [beep]. >> but isn't freedom of speech one of the things that makes america great? and frankly why they can say that nice word about the united states. we'll report, you decide.

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he lost his wallet nearly 60 years ago and to the shock of his son, his now deceased father's wallet has been found and with it, some priceless memories. >> joining us now, david van dusen. this all happened to you. how did the theater where the wallet was lost get in touch with you when they realized there was a connection? >> the assistant executive of the theater went on line on a genealogy and actually contacted my ex-wife, janet kingsly and my ex-wife called me and said i got an interesting phone call. at that time, she didn't know how old the wallet was. it could have been lost more recent but it was to my surprise when i saw the wallet how old it was. >> so this was when your father was first dating your mom then

and you assume they went to this theater on a date. he lost his wallet. somebody put it in lost and found and they never called you. how did they find it? >> they were tearing apart a wall that used to be an original office. and there was a wall only about two inches away from the safe. and when they tore that wall out, there was a wallet. i mean, it looks brand new. >> yeah. >> it's been like an in a time capsule. david, i understand you've got the wallet right there with you. >> i do. >> but five pictures inside and it's -- it was like a look at your parents as you had never seen them before because you've never seen any of those pictures before, right? >> yeah. the -- some of these -- the pictures of my mom i've never seen before. >> yeah. >> when he was 16 years old. >> wow.

i understand also in there was your dad's student i.d. from bellingham high school from the 1954/1955 school year. five pictures that were all inside. >> that's correct. >> and you're leaving it as it is, right? >> that's correct. >> when you saw it, what emotions did you have? when you felt it as you hold it? >> well, like i say, when they contacted me, they didn't let me know how old it was until i was sitting in there at the mount baker theater and she handed me the wallet, cindy pree and i started looking at it and of course, the afb card from 1954 to 1955, flooded with emotions. >> understandable because now you've got in your possession, an important part of your family's history. david this morning joining us up early from seattle. thank you, sir. >> you're very welcome. >> and hold on to that wallet. meanwhile, straight ahead,

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>> good morning, everyone. i'm gretchen carlson. hope you had a great weekend. fiery 15 car crash claims the life of two time indy 500 winner dan wheldon. this morning, we hear from some of his closest friends. >> occupy wall street has a new target. the united states of america. but isn't freedom of speech the reason those protesters get to protest? we'll report, you decide. >> meanwhile, forget columbus day, throw out halloween and you can kiss thanksgiving good-bye. school principal banning american traditions because she says they make some people feel bad. "fox & friends" hour two for a monday starts right now.

>> good morning! >> good morning, folks and welcome to occupy midtown. we're now 15 days into this particul-- years into this particular occupation and it's going well. >> two hours into it, i get a little turbulence. >> more about this the month long protest now, we've met the month long timeline for those protests. first, we'll get your headlines, though. racing world in shock over the tragic death of two time indy champ dan wheldon. he was killed in an explosive 15 car pile-up during the 13th lap of the las vegas indy 300. it was a crowded track with cars reaching speeds of 225 miles per hour. wheldon's car catapulted over another car and he was air lifted to the hospital where he died from his injuries. three other drivers were also hurt but expected to make a full recovery. after wheldon's death was announced, the racers returned to the track for a five lap memorial tribute.

>> lose somebody that close and -- that we know so well. so just ask everybody to pray for him. >> ask anybody in this field if we could choose a way to go, that's the way. >> wheldon is survived by a wife and two young sons. he was only 33 years old. >> president obama's jobs bill is not going to go any further at this point but his so-called jobs tour is not. well, in about two hours, we'll embark on a three day bus trip to asheville, north carolina and virginia. two swing states very key to his 2012 re-election bid. the president will urge congress to get to work this week on passing pieces of that defunct jobs bill. the growing search for missing baby lisa irwin entering its second week now. dozens of national guard troops joined over the weekend combing through wooded areas in kansas city. >> no new lead brought us to this location. what you have here is new manpower, additional manpower.

>> going over it with like a fine toothed comb. i mean, they're really getting down in there and looking. >> lisa's parents claim she was snatched from her crib. police have not named a suspect. lady gaga caught in a bill romance? >> caught up in a little bill romance. ♪ caught up in a bill romance ♪ oh caught up in a bill romance oh ♪ >> that's funny. i thought shie was talking abou bill o'reilly for a moment. he likes her, too. gaga channelling marilyn monroe's moment with j.f.k. serenading the president for his 65th birthday. it happened at the concert for his foundation. the president's wife, secretary of state hillary clinton and chelsea were with him in the

front row. he thought gaga would give him a heart attack. we know he's had heart surgery, that's not a good thing. very funny. >> let's move on to talk a little bit about occupy wall street has now hit the one month mark. extraordinarily, people around the world have opened their pockets and sent those protesters $300,000 in support of what they're doing. the protesters then having turned put it in a bank. hey, protesters, weren't you against the big banks? and now they've got your dough. >> yeah, they also have a storage unit full of supplies and they're getting stuff from around the world. 82 countries in 950 cities who now have some semblance of occupy wall street happening around the globe. what do they want? what are they doing? what is their message? geraldo rivera had those three things on his mind when he went down there yesterday. >> that's 100%, the majority of people here are about. we're not here to violently take down the government.

they spend, what, almost a trillion on defense every year. they could destroy us. we're here to come and advocate social justice. we're here for peace. >> back in the day when companies made money, people made money. today, when companies make money, you lose your job. that ain't right! that is not right! that's why we're here so we encourage -- i encourage all tea partiers to come out and occupy. >> it sounds like you've been -- you're hoarse from shouting. >> very hoarse. >> so the interesting thing is that first protester should take his movement to washington because he was upset with the way the government is doing things. and yet, you know, the other one that you saw there from the partridge family days, he's upset with the banks. if he made the big profits, they should be handing them out. >> the people of italy have to be upset. they had occupy rome and those guys caused $1.4 million worth of damage. they lit a whole bunch of the town on fire. here in new york, slightly less

than 100 people have been arrested over the weekend including one guy who punched a cop in times square. 175 have been arrested this past weekend in chicago. all together, about 800 here in new york and apparently, the lawyers of these occupy wall street people who have been arrested, what they're saying is they're demanding that prosecutors drop the charges against them. otherwise, they are going to insist on a full trial and overcrowd the criminal courts system. >> the criminal courts system hands in about 90,000 cases so you have these 800 that have been arrested already. probably hundreds more are going to be arrested because they can't seem to get -- to stay in line with the law. so they -- the court says, prosecutors say they will have little trouble absorbing these cases. >> uh-huh. did we ever find out why that private company that owns the park at least here in new york city decided to not have the protesters -- >> i'll tell you what, "the daily news" and "new york post" have differing accounts. one account over the weekend i

read is they got pressure from other lawmakers and other new york state law -- congressional people to not do it and to defy mayor bloomberg. then i heard -- saw one report that said mayor bloomberg told them to go and rescind the order for us to evacuate the place. that doesn't seem like it's accurate because this does not make bloomberg look good. >> sure. as to whether or not those guys will get in trouble, generally the way it works, if you can keep your nose clean for six months and not get arrested, the charges are dismissed. but meanwhile, let's take you out west to occupy portland, oregon, and this is -- there was something they were singing there that you certainly never heard at a tea party rally. watch.

[beep]. [beep]. [beep]. >> that's -- it's a word that starts with an f. >> yeah, i don't think that this gets anymore empathy for this group of people from anyone especially when they turn to that and a lot of people will respond to that by saying why even live here if you believe that about america, why do you live here? and if you want to change america that drastically to something that doesn't even look at all like america, then you should move. you shouldn't live in this country and by the way, the reason they can say that word out loud is because we are america. and we have a first amendment. kind of crazy. >> so if you're in portland, you have a lot of explaining to do to your children who happened to be walking by. >> sure. off we go to massachusetts where at the kennedy school, elementary school in summerville, mass, i believe it's the elementary school. the principal there has sent out an e-mail to teachers and the

teachers, keep in mind, have already been under orders absolutely do not let the students dress up for halloween. well, now, look at this. here's an e-mail. when we were young, we might have been able to claim ignorance of the atrocities that christopher columbus committed against the indigenous peoples. we can no longer do so and so what she's doing is firing a warning shot about the holiday of columbus day which is just passed a week ago and thanksgiving. be careful, teachers! >> wait until she gets to valentine's day. that will probably be thrown out, too. >> naked baby with an arrow. >> no, i'll never forget it, at my son's preschool, that they didn't want to celebrate valentine's day. and my daughter's school, too, because they said it was based in religion and that, you know, st. valentine so they didn't want to offend anyone who thought of valentine's day as a christian religion. all right. let's listen to this student. >> i think that it's kind of ridiculous because we should celebrate what we want to

celebrate. >> i agree. >> we shouldn't be told what we shouldn't by other people. >> yeah. there you go. >> that year, my daughter had made all her valentines for all the kids in the class early. she was organized that year. and when she brought them to the school, she could not hand them out. so then you had to -- as a parent, you had to teach a whole another lesson. why can't i show love, mommy? because somebody is offended, one person by st. valentine. go figure. >> this e-mail from that particular principal is a perfect example of why it would be great if there were a voucher system where parents could send their children to the schools that would be appropriate in the family's estimation for their children. >> as far as you know, nothing about sadie hawkins, right? you could still have a sadie hawkins celebration where girls ask out guys. >> that's generally after school, isn't it? >> i didn't know that. >> i think so. >> all right, coming up on our show, today marks 1,000 days in the office for president obama so how is he doing? someone who knows a little something about presidents, former white house chief of staff for president bush, andy card coming up next. what's his grade?

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school of government at texas a&m. >> thanks for having me. >> let's start with your grade, overall, we stunned some people. in the tease, we said that you gave president obama an a. what's your overall grade? >> c minus. i think he gets an a for recognizing the world is not as he wanted it to be. it's a real world. the real world is tough and he's realizing that it's tough to be president. i'd give him an f if it wasn't for his efforts to protect america. he's done a pretty good job of getting usama bin laden and getting some of the leading terrorists and worked hard to protect america but in terms of the economy and what's happening domestically in the united states, terrible, terrible grade. so overall, i would say it averages out to a c minus. >> andy, what kind of a grade would you give him for on-the-job training? >> he's climbed a steep cliff and he's not at the top of it yet. i think he's still dealing with the magnitude of the responsibility. washington is not working and it's the president that helps create a climate where washington can work and it's just not working. >> so you give him credit, though, for getting the three

trade bills passed recently. >> i do. it took a long time to do that, president bush was one who helped to negotiate those trade bills. they were presented. he finally got them passed last week. international trade is very important. that's where job growth has got to come from in addition to stimulating our own economy so that's very important and i'm glad he passed those bills but in terms of other things, look at, debt is way up. government spending is way up. unemployment rates, way up. gas prices, way up. health care premiums, way up. all of that is not good. those things are rough. the only things that are down are job opportunities in america and we need a better president but he's been there 1,000 days, just barely gets a passing grade and he's got about 300 days to convince the american people that he deserves another term. by his own standard, he said if he didn't have these things accomplished in three years, he wasn't going to get re-elected. >> that's why he's firing up bus

force one today to start a three day swing -->> the misery tour. >> the misery tour. >> let me ask you this -- he ran a brilliant political campaign running for president of the united states. and then he became president and it's like hey, where did that brilliant guy go? what happened? where's the disconnect? >> he's very intelligent. he's a very intelligent man. that doesn't mean he's dealt with the world as it is and he hasn't been able to make government work. he hasn't provided the real leadership that a president has to provide. that's what i worry about. >> one of the things and you give him an a for his understanding of the reality of being president but i think what a lot of people voted for him for was that whole idea of hope and change. and changing the course of the way washington works. but what you're saying is there is a certain reality about washington and maybe that can't be changed. >> well, our democratic system is not perfect and it doesn't produce perfection. i think he came to office pushing perfection and not being willing to work for perfectly good and as a result, what he got was not perfectly good and

it may have been perfection that was bad for the country and his early accomplishments came with an easy congress to work with. after that, he had to work to get things done. i don't like what he did with an easy congress to work with. i don't think he's been able to get congress to work now because he doesn't really compromise. >> his side loves the fact that he was able to pass health care. you just touched on something there about not being able to compromise. you know, with the jobs bill, he didn't even call up the members of the congressional delegations to talk with them about it. and then there's these stories floating around that he's completely isolated in the white house. he doesn't really talk to anybody except axelrod and valerie jarrett and he's a man alone in a drift. >> well, presidents are usually lonely when they're in office. i don't think they run to be lonely. they run as love magnets but the job requires you to have presidential courage and that's the courage to be lonely. he's very lonely right now. and i think that it's my way or the highway with president obama. and that's not the way a democracy works. >> better to be a love magnet? >> when you're running for office.

>> when you're running for office. >> he's going to try to be that love magnet but right now, he has a record to stand on and it's not a very good record. >> i can think of plenty of times that president bush was alone on some of the decisions that he made. >> he's a courageous man and i respected how president bush made his decisions. >> always good to get your thoughts and have you on the couch. thank you very much. >> thank you. >> he told herman cain to get off the crack pipe. cornell west under arrest now. we'll tell you why. >> then he was the pro football player who had it all. a beautiful wife and a successful business. it all changed after he fell and lost his entire memory. here next with his unbelievable story. [ male announcer ] cranberry juice? wake up!

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>> time for the news by the numbers. first, $1 trillion. that's the amount of money that ron paul will propose in spending cuts later on today. presidential candidate set to unveil his economic plan in las vegas. next, $40 million. that's how much the highest paid tv actor charlie sheen made last year according to "forbes" magazine. nice winning. and finally, $16.3 million. that's how much the robot boxing film "real steel" took in at the box office making it the number one movie for the second weekend in a row followed by "footloose" and "the thing." but "real steel" brian, a movie you loved. >> i did. number one two weeks in a row. eco and a husband and a dad. in 2008, scott bolzan fell and hit his head erasing his memory. life changing events like marrying his wife and the birth of his two children all forgotten, along with how to be

a parent and how to be a husband. since then, his family has helped him rebuild his past and they're writing about it. joining me now are scott bolzan and his wife joan. they share their story in their new memoir "my life deleted." welcome to both of you. you knew about the curvy couch when you came over. >> this has been part of my recovery because with this accident, i've had severe -- what's it called? insomnia. and i would be up, it comes on live in phoenix at 3:00 and i would always watch this and it was important for me because i felt like the only time in my life i knew something more than anyone else in the world was at 3:00 in the morning, getting the information first before everybody else woke up. >> we're honored and thrilled you flipped to us. joan, he's in the bathroom, you slipped and fell. you remember your head -- you told the nurses you remember your -- seeing your feet so he slammed his head. >> right. >> goes to the hospital. when did this thing start escalating? >> when i got to the hospital, i had no idea he didn't know who

i was. i knew he was confused. i'm a nurse. but i had no idea that he didn't recognize me at all. i went over and gave him a hug and a kiss and it was our first kiss all over again after 28 years. so he had no idea who i was. >> and you were looking at her, do you -- and how did you express that? >> well, i was just amazed first of all, she looked different than everyone else. she smelled different. much better looking than all the nurses and hospital staff so, you know, from that moment on, she never left my side so our relationship was built on trust. >> as you see the pictures of your brain in that, show the doctors, you can see there was a blood flow issue and the amnesia was complete -- i can understand an amnesia where you don't remember your wife and children but you don't remember how to be a dad, what a man does in society, let alone how to be a husband. >> right. and everything that i've been taught was from pretty much my wife and daughter because they were both home with me all the time. i learned how to be a parent from my daughter being a daughter to me and my wife being

a wife to me. i just kind of reversed everything. >> and he understood things but he didn't understand that emotional connection. so i knew that he was who he was but he had no connection to me so i didn't know if he'd fall in love with me again. >> have you? >> oh, absolutely. >> good job! good answer. >> so is it beginning to come back now? >> no, none of the memories -->> just reconstructed. >> i'm just fitting this billion piece jigsaw puzzle together one piece at a time and trying to get everything lined up and reconstruct who i was but the problem is i still don't know who i was. that's the problem is internally i have no idea who scott was. >> what about your feelings? your instincts, is that coming back up? >> the instincts have always been there. i had this very heightened sense of friend or foe. the only thing i had to make a decision was my gut instinct. i had no knowledge or past experience to, you know, pick out a bag of potato chips in a grocery store.

i just went by what i felt looked right. >> and joan, it must be real taxing on you guys, especially as you go from doctor to doctor and some didn't even believe him. >> it was awful. >> since that time, you've gone through journals and found cases like this in italy and what's happened since this book is now out? >> now, we finally got some doctors that want to look into other treatment modalities. they are trying other treatments to give him 100% oxygen and see if that will help. >> you remember dreams now. >> no, after the fourth treatment, i started remembering dreams and i've only had five since we've been on this book tour so there's a little interruption. >> you've got 30 e-mails from people saying that happened to me and no one believe me. >> all different cases. some were from an asthma attack, as simple as that. a car accident, slip and fall. it can happen to anybody. >> now, joan, let me ask, is he the same guy? >> no, he's a little different. he's a little more -- he's outwardly compassionate, i would say, more than before. he was kind of a hardened

businessman, know what he was doing, comfortable in his skin but just a little bit different and we treat him a little different -- >> improve him a little. >> i had an opportunity. >> and you did it. you remade him. >> the former patriot, cleveland brown and memphis showboat lineman, scott, thanks so much for joining us, joan, and good luck with "your life deleted" it's a fascinating book and a fascinating story and hope you continue to make progress. great meeting you. >> thank you so much. >> please continue to watch us. >> yes, i will in the morning. >> thanks so much. >> 28 minutes after the hour. hotel worker fired for wearing a flag pin to work. a former air force veteran stick up for him in a big way will join us next. then jenny garth has come a long way since beverly hills 90210. she's come all the way to the control room and i believe she's taking over. >> take three. move to five. my name is robin. i'm a wife, i'm a mom...

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hotel employee fired for wearing a flag pin. 26-year-old shawn may said he was told the pin violates company dress code policy and after he refused to remove it, he was fired by the hotel. >> oh, boy! well, now, one air force veteran is calling for a boycott on the hotel. bruce whalen joins us live now, good morning, sir. >> good morning. >> you're calling for a boycott for this hotel in st. augustine, florida that fired shawn because he was wearing his flag pin. why are you calling for a boycott, sir? >> well, that's the message i think that they would understand. >> you mean kick them in the wallet? >> oh, absolutely, yes. >> now, i understand you believe that the dress code should actually include a pin on everyone's lapel. >> yes, i certainly do. >> why? >> actually, i've lived in many parts of the world most of my

life and everywhere i've been, the people in the various countries admire our patriotism and our appreciation and respect for our flag. and it seems that some people have drawn a line in the sand that it's no longer patriotic to wear the flag or to even display the flag in some cases. >> so not only does this bother you, this incident, you see a trend in the country you fought for and that's why you're making the stand. >> absolutely. that is correct. >> now, how do you feel about the hotel saying this? the american flag greets every guest and employee with its symbolism of our belief in this country. however, our employee handbook clearly states no buttons, badges, pins or insignias of any kind are permitted to be worn. aren't rules rules? >> well, i can understand their

stand on that. however, people displaying pins and badges for virtually anything that they wish but the american flag is just totally different. that's an emblem of our nation and we should display it at any opportunity we have. >> sure. >> are you stunned, bruce, at the propensity of these kinds of stories? i mean, it seems that we could find one of these stories almost every day, whether it's a condominium association that doesn't want people to fly the american flag or, you know, i'm trying to think of all the examples but it seems like we're talking about it all the time. >> that's correct. and it seems there's some in our government that don't want this type of thing to happen and we've got to draw the line in our sand, the sand ourselves. >> gotcha. >> bruce whalen, air force veteran who is going to take his

business elsewhere rather than the casa monica hotel there in saint augustine, thank you very much for joining us live. >> thank you. >> and thanks for your service as well. >> all right. that's bruce. now here is some more of your headlines. remember cornell west? the guy who had this to say about presidential candidate herman cain. >> well, one, black people have been working hard for decades. i think he needs to get off the symbolic crack pipe and acknowledge that the evidence is overwhelming. >> the outspoken princeton professor headed to court this morning because police arrested him outside the supreme court yesterday for refusing to leave the grounds. he was part of the occupy wall street movement protesting the influence of corporate cash in politics. >> details of the autopsy just released on the phoenix, new york, high school football player who collapsed on the field during the game -- during a game. 16-year-old ridge barden died from bleeding in the brain after forceful bodily contact.

his mother, of course, devastated. >> you know, i mean, he was -- he was with us. >> jacqueline says her son had no pre-existing medical problems. >> meanwhile, another possible sign a u.s. postal service bailout may be coming. the union representing mail carriers hired the former car czar, the man president obama turned to when the car companies were in trouble. ron bloom is a former wall street investment banker who now specializes in restructuring. his new job, turning around the post office that currently faces a $10 billion deficit this year alone. >> time for a look at sports with that guy right there. >> all right, steve. that will be my introduction, i guess. i got to write this in the prompter so i get a proper toss. the texas rangers officially have another team to play in the world series. from milwaukee, the cardinals bats did not give the brewers a rest. i'm sorry, it's not you.

1-0 cards in game six, david freese, home runs. the cards would jump out 4-0 before anyone had a chance to get their hot dog and pay their $9 for it. later, albert pujols puts the game out of reach with an r.b.i. single. what a series he had. cardinals win going away 12-6. this will be a great series, texas and the cardinals. now to sunday's gridiron action as i vote for our best player and best everything. take a look at our best player. bradshaw, this guy was unbelievable leading the new york giants past the buffalo bills. three touchdowns on the day. ran for over 100 yards, 104 if you're keeping score. this is a great game. the bills lose to the giants again. the last time they played was in the super bowl back in 1990 when whitney houston sang the national anthem. that's a quick look at what's happening in the world of sports. >> thanks for not showing the vikings highlights. >> no problem. you owe me a favor. >> you remember her from this famous zip code. >> don't analyze me. >> oh, my gosh. everything is going to be ok.

it's going to be peachy. so move that dark cloud. >> now, jenny garth is checking out a new zip code these days including a reality series. she joins us live today. >> hi. >> you were pretty good in the control room and seemed to know what you were doing with all the people around. >> you act like you know what you're doing and sometimes it works. >> for us. >> the headset indicates that you're controlling the show but the walkie-talkie you held a short time ago, it called security. you had an all points bulletin out that -- >> are they after you now? >> i think so. >> and they're on to me anyway. >> she was making a cab call. >> when i was watching that clip, i'm wondering are you one of those that embraces that -- the series or the series that made you famous? >> absolutely. >> or do you run from it? >> absolutely. i love. it i love watching it. my daughter who is 14 and i are in season two right now. i've started to let her watch it and she's totally hooked. >> my goodness. >> fantastic. >> let's talk a little bit about one of your co-stars during that time, shannen doherty. she got married again this weekend. do you stay in touch with her?

>> i heard she got married. i was on an airplane, apparently, when she was getting married so i wasn't there but i'm really curious who was there, why wasn't i invited? >> oh. >> i hope it was a small wedding. yeah. because otherwise, i'd be bummed. >> if it was on a beach in a remote part of the world. >> i'm ok with it. but i'm very happy for her, regardless whether i was there or not. joking aside, i was really happy. >> she was here and i would say she's fiery. >> feisty. >> feisty and fiery. >> that's the way i like them. that's a good word. >> uh-huh. >> let's talk about your new movie that's out. hallmark movie "a christmas wedding tail" it's spelled t-a-i-l, what's it about? >> it's about dogs. i love it. i read the script and my manager said i'm sure this is not something you're going to do. i read the first page and i saw they were talking dogs. no, i'm in. that's my kind of movie. i always wanted to be in a talking animal movie. >> right. >> you have tom arnold in it. >> uh-huh. he's a riot, correct?

>> i didn't even work with him. we did phone scenes together but were never actually on the set together. >> i thought movies were done live. all the scenes at one time. >> no. >> i have no idea. >> what is it about talking dogs that would make jennie garth say i want to do this movie? >> i have three kids. we've seen virtually every talking dog movie there is to see. a talking pig, you name it. i'll rent it on dvd. >> you're doing something serious, here for the national headache foundation. >> yes. >> and excedrin. >> yes, i've teamed up with the makers of excedrin migraine . we're doing a live chat. i'll be with a doctor. we're doing a live chat on thursday, october 27th at 8:00 p.m. eastern where we will be talking and shedding some light on migraine s and, you know, there are millions of people out there suffering from migraines so i'll be sharing some tips, the doctor will be answering a lot of questions and i urge people to log on, give us their questions beforehand so we make sure we get everything answered. >> speaking from personal experience because you've been plagued by them for a long time. >> yes. i have migraines and a lot of my

close friends are sufferers of migraines, i think more people have migraines know it than talk about it. this is a chance for people to open up about something they might not want to talk about. >> if people want more information, go to our web site and we'll show folks how to get to your chat. >> facebook page. >> very good. >> good success on all the things about the movie. >> if we get married again, you're invited. >> thank you. can i bring my talking dog? >> absolutely. yeah. >> you want to go downstairs and direct the rest of the show? >> if you need me. >> i think we do. >> thank you so much. >> thank you. >> coming up next on our rundown, he applied for federal funding after hurricane ike destroyed his home and got the money but now fema is asking for it back? what's up with that? >> then hold the salt and pepper and pay for ketchup. that's what students at one st. louis high school are being forced to do. we'll talk to a young woman who is boycotting school lunches. even the pizza?

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>> after hurricane ike flooded his home in 2008, he was one of hundreds of homeowners who received aid from fema. now, three years later, he's being told to return nearly 23,000 dollars in government aid. that home owner, clay gates joins us live right now from houston. good morning to you. >> good morning. >> ok. so after you wound up with four feet of salt water from hurricane ike in your living room, you contacted fema. you filled out all the

paperwork. and they told you what? >> that we qualified for assistan assistance under the guidelines that they had presented which were things that were uncovered by insurances or noncoverage, whatever we didn't have. >> sure. so fema wound up transferring into your bank account close to $23,000 which helped you put your house and your life back together and then a couple of years later, you get this call from fema and what do they say? >> well, they -- you know, they send us a letter saying after reviewing, we were actually not eligible and they want the money back. >> that's crazy! >> so we -- oh, it was shocking. we didn't even know if it was real. we thought it must have been a mistake. we returned the response letter just saying this must be a mistake. we qualified for this so your records must be wrong.

>> absolutely. and i understand you eventually got either the person who approved you or somebody else from fema on the phone and they admitted yeah, it's our mistake. but you're going to have to pay us back. >> well, that's correct. i finally got a hold of somebody actually after i got a letter from the irs which was stating that i owed them $23,000 plus $8,000 more in penalties and interest. >> this is the government's mistake and now you owe close to $32,000 because they've taken the original amount and added fees and interest and everything else and the deadline is today. you've got to come up with the money today or what's going to happen? >> more penalties, interest accrued or they're going to start wage garnishments. there was a whole list of other ways they could go about getting the money from me. i mean, you know, it's

threatening. it's scary. >> are you going to lose your house? are you going to lose your house? >> if i can't make a house payment, they garnish my wages and take my wages, we're barely making it now. they do that, i can't make my house payment. i can't pay the rest of my bills and i'll lose it. i'll lose my home. >> listen, who is your congressman there? >> in my district it would be pete olson. i've -- you know, i reached out and made a call. i spoke to somebody in his office. kind of told him where i was at, what was going on with it. i have never heard nothing back from them. i had written a letter to kay bailey hutchinson who is also, you know, in texas, and, you know, i had gotten a response from her that she was going to be looking into the matter and that's as far as i've heard from there either. >> with any luck, somebody from their office is watching today and they can help you out because for the government to give you the money, say yeah,

it's your money, fair and square and then turn around and say give it back, that's just not right. we're going to be watching this. clay gates joining us from houston. good luck to you, sir. >> thank you. >> that is just nuts. all right. meanwhile, 10 minutes before the top of the hour. up next, you want extra ketchup? pay for it. same for salad dressing. some kids so fed up with new school lunch regulations they took action. the student council president here next. that looks delicious. but first on this date in 1960, number one song was "save the last dance for me." [ female announcer ] so you think your kids are getting enough vegetables? yeah, maybe not. v8 v-fusion juice gives them a full serving of vegetables plus a full serving of fruit. but it just tastes like fruit. v8. what's your number?

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course, wyclef jean, the winner is chris from chicago. congratulations. schools across the country are making drastic changes on their lunch menus to meet the new requirements mandated by president obama. in missouri, portions, apparently now smaller. salt and pepper shakers have been eliminated. students were charged for extra packets of ketchup and mustard and things like that because the school wanted to "deter waste." joining me now is a student at wentsville holt high school hannah lucas who had a problem with some of these changes. good morning to you. >> good morning. >> what was your problem with finding out there wasn't going to be that big dispenner of ketchup or mustard there at lunch anymore? instead, you were going to get five packets and after that, you had to pay $0.30 per packet. >> well, first, i want to say i'm proud to be here representing holt high school and my principal john watters who is a great guy. the students who are a little upset about being regulated on our condiments because they're so used to, you know, piling it

on. and i understand that it did become a waste for the school but as far as teenagers' normal diets, it was a little too big of a change. >> all right. so apparently, according -- this were mandated changes because of the healthy hunger free kids act signed into law by president obama in 2010. so do you fault the administration for these changes or the school? >> oh, i don't fault the school at all. they were simply, you know, adhering to the new federal regulations. that i really don't think should be applied to high schoolers. at that age, you need to be mature enough to make your own decisions as far as what you're putting in your body. >> what have you done as a result? >> well, for about a week, we started a facebook event. it was actually a boy named trent who started it. and we organized the school lunch boycott where we encouraged all students to bring

their own lunches to school just to show that we were upset about the new changes. >> uh-huh. so i understand you've been packing your lunch ever since. >> yes. and i've done it past the first week. so now i bring my lunch every day. >> get the statement from the school they said these changes were made to meet the requirement of the school lunch initiative that said as a district, we need to track condiment usage more closely. you're going to continue to pack your own lunch for the rest of the year? >> yes, i am auto. auto -- >> all right. a student taking a stand. i like the shoutout to your principal. thanks so much for joining us. >> thank you. >> did you know that late friday, the obama administration dropped a key component of obamacare? apparently, it wasn't going to save all the money originally promised. so is this proof that obamacare just ain't what it's cracked up to be? don't e-mail me about my grammar. donald trump teaming up with

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>> gretchen: top of the morning. it's monday, october 17. hope you had a great weekend. i'm gretchen carlson. horrific 15 car crash clemens the life of dan weldon. this morning we're learning new details about what happened, including concerns dan had apparently about his own car. >> steve: meanwhile, the wheels on the bus go round and round. president obama heading to two key election swing states. but this isn't a campaign trip. nope. it's official business, according to the white house, which means we are paying for his gas. >> brian: cheerleader takes a step backwards. it took forever. there she goes, off the mat into the pool. wait until you see what she does next. "fox & friends" starts right

now. >> this is rick springfield and you're watching "fox & friends." >> steve: always exciting to hear that. >> brian: "general hospital" star and a sendinger and he's still out there and she likes him. >> steve: does your wife still have the picture up in your room? >> brian: is that a problem? >> steve: no, not really. >> gretchen: i remember the last time he was on, you did not invite her to come and meet him. >> steve: she has met him in person. >> brian: last time he was on the show, he spent a last time in the bathroom. >> steve: welcome to the program. we got a busy final hour. in less than two hours, it's wheels up or perhaps more appropriately, wheels down for president obama. he's headed to two key election states on a three-day bus tour. this isn't a campaign trip. the white house insists this is official business to promote the president's jobs plan. >> brian: 'cause that is a good story because it is still out

there. now the details. >> good morning. not a campaign trip officially, not according to the white house. as he hits two important swing states, the president will be mixing politics with policy. he'll be visiting virginia and north carolina. he took a similar bus swing through the midwest in august. also talking about the economy at that time. this time he'll be hitting two red states where he was able to win in 08, but where his support is now eroding among independents. unemployment is the president's big problem, and north carolina particularly hard hit with a 10.4% rate of unemployment. the president will be push ago plan to create jobs partly through infrastructure spend, but the republicans have a plan, too, which takes a very different approach. >> we believe in private enterprise. we believe in small business. our job creative agenda is just that. we want the president to work

with us. we want him to stop the campaigning, let's go find the things at that are in common with this plan and his. >> the so-called republican jobs bill would just allow corporate america to write their own rules again. it's been analyzed to conclude that it would create no jobs now. there isn't even a certainty it would create any jobs at all. no one found any evidence that it would. >> so debate continues. meantime, the administration will try to sell its jobs plan piece by piece in congress. meantime, the president beginning his throw-day bus trip with a stop in asheville, north carolina this morning. back to you. >> steve: allall right. thank you very much. in the state of virginia, the president's approval rating is at 45%. also in north carolina, it currently stands at 42%. two states that he won last time and would like to win again. >> gretchen: editorial, or article in the "wall street journal" talking about a

democratic billionaires who supported the president in 2008 and now in private quarters, seem to be very upset and dismayed with the way in which this country has been led for the last three years. one of those people profiled is mort discipliningerman. he owns the new york daily news and invested in many other problems and has become a successful person. originally from canada, ironically. here is what he said in his quote. there is enormousy widespread anxiety over the political leadership of the country. the sense is that the policies of this government have failed. what they say about mr. obama when he's not in the room, speaking of other billionaire, so to speak -- is astonishing. the other thing he brings up in this article is that he thinks that the president opened up the door to these occupy wall street protests by talking so much about millionaires and billionaires. >> brian: the democratic party raised a lot of money. $87 million and they basically spent it, too. but the president has not made a lot of money off wall street.

mitt romney doubled them so far. so they are staying away with their wallets and pocket books. but it just mort gulf coasterman said they need an -- zuckreman said they need an adult in the room. >> steve: what they said is i long for a triple a president to run a triple a country. he voted for the president last time. it doesn't sound like he's heading that way this time. >> brian: think about that, if you were a millionaire and billionaire, the impression is that you got it by stealing. that's if you listen to the president's remarks and listen to those occupy wall street crowd. those people didn't earn their money. they didn't make their money. they haven't worked twice as hard as anybody else. >> gretchen: of course, the accusation is that that kind of dialogue creates this class warfare mentality. so did it have something to do with how these protests started? let us know what you think about. now the search for missing baby lisa irwin entering its second week. national guard troops entered,

combing through wooded areas in kansas city. >> no new lead brought us to this location. what you have here is new manpower, additional manpower. >> they're going over it with like caffeine tooth comb. they're really getting down in there and looking. >> gretchen: lisa's parents claim she was snatched from her crib. police still have not named a suspect. the man being held in the disappearance of an american woman in aruba will ask a judge to set him free. he was arrested days after robin gardner was seen on a beach. his attorney will argue the authorities do not have enough evidence to continue to hold him. the 50-year-old has yet to be charged. dr. conrad murray's manslaughter trial on hold right now. testimony canceled today because the father of the prosecution's final witness has passed away. the anesthesiologist expert is crucial to the case. the case could go to the jury in a week.

president obama on hand for the dedication of the dr. martin luther king memorial in washington, d.c the memorial is near the spot where he delivered his i have a dream speech. president obama says dr. king's work is not yet finished. >> so with our eyes on the horizon and our face squarely placed in one another, let us keep striving. let us keep struggling, let us keep climbing toward that promised land of a nation, a world that is more fair and more just and more equal for every single child of god. >> gretchen: president obama was six years old when dr. king was assassinated in 1968. those are your headlines this morning. >> brian: this is interesting, he said martin luther king would have supported the occupy occupy

wall street protested. seven minutes after the hour. tragic news yesterday. two-time indy 500 winner dan weldon has passed away. this is only his third race that he was running this year. he's the reigning indy champing. he won in 2005. this crash resulted in him and his helmet smashing, we understand, into the wall. his injuries were unsurvivable. >> steve: just look at that. it happened in lap 11 of the indy car series finale. earlier, the drivers had been concerned about the high speeds. they were going 225 in the practice and you can see from the images, the high banking of this particular track made it easy to go flat. eventually obviously -- for obvious rules, this race was ruled incomplete. what's shocking -- what shocking images of pictures. it's not supposed to happen like that. >> gretchen: he wasn't having a lot of races recently because he

has two small children. our fox affiliate has the latest. good morning to you. >> good morning, guys. yeah. tragic event as these indy cars reach speeds well over 200 miles an hour. but still kind of a shock to the racing world as this happened on sunday. as you mentioned, leaving behind two young children and so definitely a shock to the racing world. as you mentioned, 15-car crash and weldon's car was sent airborne. his car flipped over, crashed into the fence directly above the track and weldon died as a result of that crash and that is definitely hit the racing world very hard and the las vegas motor speedway went through a change several years ago and made the track faster. danica patrick and dario franchitti were two who spoke openly about the possible dangers the drivers could find themselves in over the course of a race. back in the year 2000, that was the last time they had an indy

race here and higher banking was put in place back in 2007. that was designed to make the track faster and more competitive. so could have been a factor. still not sure, but the racing world definitely hit hard by this tragic event. >> gretchen: all right. thank you very much for that update out of las vegas. dan weldon had written in a blog a couple days before that he was frustrated with his car. he wanted it to be able to go faster and he said that he was working with his crew and that he felt confident that they were going to be able to do that. >> brian: meanwhile, another driver, mario franchitti, says this, i could see within five laps people were starting to do some crazy stuff. i love hard racing issues but that, to me, is not really what it's about. and for weldon also, he was about to join mario andretti's group and replace danica patrick not season. >> steve: apparently he was blogging for usa today and he said at the kentucky speedway, which is where they were last

week, didn't have the speed and off the pace in the number 77 car and he was going, you know, this particular car at this particular time in las vegas is going about three miles off the pace, 3 miles per hour off the pace. it would be hard to keep up and win. but he felt that his crew was going to do everything they could to make sure that it would go fast enough. >> gretchen: very sad day in the racing world. we'll continue to follow that story for you as we remember dan weldon today. coming up on the show, did you know late friday, the obama administration dropped a key component of obamacare? apparently it wasn't going to save all the money that it had promised, so are we being taken for fools about that? well, we'll ask our next guest. >> brian: donald trump teaming up with michelle bachman for a night. what will they be doing? we'll ask him. he'll answer. and then add his opinion. capital one's new cash rewards card

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>> brian: president obama forced to drop part of his health care law. >> steve: joining us is lieutenant governor and health care expert, betsy mccoy. good morning to you. >> good morning. >> steve: we're talking about the class act. >> here it is. >> steve: that's the whole health care. >> the class act is a small part of this monstrous health law, right here on page 710. >> steve: what was the class act going to do? >> it was going to provide long-term care. medicare pays for seniors when they go to the hospital or to the doctor. but if they need long-term care, medicare only pays for a few days. so this was a voluntary way that workers could take some of their payroll, put it into this system, and then later in life, they'd have long-term care insurance. but from the beginning, it looked like a house of cards and, in fact, lawmakers were

warned by this law was passed that this would not work, that the money wouldn't be there. there wouldn't be enough money. it appears from the againing it was a gimmick to help this controversial bill squeak by. >> steve: and it did. >> it did, because when a big bill like this is proposed, a federal agency called the congressional budget office is supposed to tell lawmakers is there enough money coming in under this law? >> brian: to pay for it. >> to pay for what's going to go out, in this case, hospital bills or nursing home bills. but they only have to tell them for ten years. the way this was written in the first ten years, premiums would come in, but nothing would be paid out. so it looked like, wow, $700 billion. right? excuse me. $70 billion in deficit reduction over the first ten years. of course, it disappeared because this is not going to be put into effect. >> brian: the key for this is that this was supposed to save enough money to save other parts -- pay for other parts of

his plan. now what happens? >> that's the problem. the super committee, meeting right now to figure out how to reduce future deficits in the united states and put our fiscal plan in order, they're going to know this obama health law is not saving money in the first ten years. that's just disappeared. so it's part of the problem, not part of the solution. >> steve: you say now that the government has officially said okay. that class act part, that's not going to work, we're taking that out, you say this is just another sign that the entire health care bill is unraveling? >> it is unraveling. first we had the waivers. 1472 waivers to companies that said, the early provisions of this law are so costly, we can't possibly pay. now we've got the class act. they'll have to repeal it. it's like a loaded gun sitting on the table. now we hear the insurance exchanges that are supposed to be set up in every state by 2014 because people will be compelled to buy health insurance, many of them on that exchange, we heard that's not on schedule either.

>> brian: unbelievable. this could be devastating and you just wonder, too, if the president doesn't realize that and is that why the whole -- he's not running on this. he never talks about health care. you don't see that being in the democratic platform. >> this law is this unpopular now as the day it was signed. the public outrage is growing because it lowers your standard of care. it puts government in charge of your care. and it takes away something as precious as life itself, your liberty. >> brian: and paralyzed a lot of the health care industry because they don't know how it will affect us. >> steve: we'll get a forklift over here to haul that out of the studio. >> all right. it's big. >> steve: betsy, thank you very much. >> thank you. >> brian: straight ahead, it was meant to help the cause, but as think pink breast cancer campaign losing its focus? some survivors say it's becoming a huge money maker. the founders of the susan g. komen foundation and a breast cancer victim herself here to react. >> steve: plus the dance routine started off on the right foot, but one quick misstep landed

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>> steve: time for quick headlines on this monday morning. some of those shocking cell phone bills could be become coming to an amendment. vie von, at & t and others will alert customers approaching monthly data, text, or voice limitsle. going over those limits can cause a steep hike in your bill. it's being done after the government threatened new regulations. can never have too many of those. a soggy situation for a cheerleader at mexico's pan american games.

the 21-year-old misjudged how far she was from the edge of the pool and fell in. the show went on, while her fellow teammates helped her out. she finished the routine soaking wet. very nice. gretch? >> gretchen: thank you. they are the world's largest breast cancer organization, raising nearly $2 billion since its inception. the susan g. komen for the cure foundation is raising awareness for the disease in 31 unique ways. we're joined by the ambassador, nancy brinker, the founder of komen for the cure. good morning to you. >> good morning. >> gretchen: so it's a scary statistic. every time you read up on this, it's hard to believe how many women will be affected by this disease. somebody dies, a woman dies every 74 seconds still from breast cancer. you've been at this since 1982. you've made a huge impact. but it's still a huge crisis. >> it's still -- the second leading cancer killer of women. i will tell you that we have made significant gains into

creating higher survival rates. when we started this organization 30 years ago, the five-year survival rate from very early detected breast cancer was 74%. today it's 98% in america. not that high in many other places around the world. but the fact is we have had gains and we at susan g. komen are not just in the business of pink and community gathering, although that's what we do. we gather communities and we fund the largest amount of breast cancer research other than the u.s. government looking at very tough problems. and spend every day at missions doing that. >> gretchen: it's very important to bring that up because there has been some criticism as of late that maybe our nation has become oversaturated with the idea of the pink color and frankly, some organizations are taking advantage of it and maybe earning some money over this without giving so much of it to research. i want to give you an opportunity to say how much of your money goes to research. >> we return between 83 and 84 cents of every dollar to our

cause, to our mission. and frankly, we believe that there isn't enough pink. the reason we say that is that as long as you said someone dies every 74 second, it is a good idea to have a color associated with the disease. where would we have been in the fight against aids if we had not had red? maybe we wouldn't have had anti-retro viral drugs. that's what we're doing. once a year, we really focus on this, bringing it to people's attention and we're very happy that this color means a real assault against this disease. >> gretchen: tell me about the 31 days of pink action. what is that? >> when we invite people -- one of the first things you need to do is be able to at least join a community and learn. our web site offers that. komen.org. every day this month, we will have a program or something for the people to learn, maybe navigate through a research program or join a program or trying to get in a study we did

with a million and a half women, we determined and found out that over 50% of them who have coverage are not being screened. breast screening works. it's 80 to 85% effective. it's not a cure. it is not a treatment. it is not a prevention. it is a diagnostic tool. it is a very, very good idea to have an initial examination done and then through consultation with a physician, be able to follow yourself and follow if anything is developing. we do know that early action creates a better outcome for patients. >> gretchen: we'll link that web site to our web site as well. you lost your sister back in 1980. you yourself are a breast cancer survivor and now you run this wonderful organization. thank you for your time this morning. >> thank you, gretchen. >> gretchen: coming up on our show, occupy wall street has a new target. united states of america? isn't freedom of speech the

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>> gretchen: take a look at your shot of the morning. flashback, if you were watching the show, think back now, july it 1, 2010, you saw a performance of a song that's now republican presidential candidate herman cain's anthem. ♪ i am america ♪ ♪ one voice united we stand ♪ i am america >> gretchen: that was christa branch performing her hit. it's an antiestablishment song written by her husband. she performed it over the weekend at a tea party rally for herman cain and he decided to adopt the song for his campaign, saying he felt goose bumps the first time he heard it. >> brian: it's now in. >> steve: very nice. >> brian: in moments, we'll be talking about herman cain with donald trump. first the headlines. >> gretchen: the release of a kidnapped israeli soldier is coming at a high price. more than 1,000 palestinian prisoners in exchange. at least 400 are directly responsible for some of israel's

attacks. many israeli attention are furious and families of the victims are appeal to go israel's supreme court to stop the transfer. the first phase of the swap supposed to take place tomorrow. >> brian: while you were sloping, a guy admits to setting a massive fire that ripped through an apartment building. that fire moved so fast, a six-year-old boy had to be dropped from from a third story window. more than a dozen people sent to the hospital with injuries. >> steve: meanwhile, take a look at this wild new video out of south korea. a stem cell scientist says he's cloned eight coyotes. he had his name tarnished after faking some of his research on human stem cell embryos. now he's come back with what appears to be an incredible breakthrough. he took cells from the skin of a coyote and combined them with dog eggs and then removed the dog nucleus. scientists in south korea already cloned a cow, dog, a

cat, a pig, and a wolf. and now this. >> gretchen: remember doll low? that was the first cloned animal. bill clinton, bill gates and news corps ceo rupert murdoch, some of the people who attended the private memorial service for steve jobs. the ceremony at stanford university kept under very tight security. the apple co-founder will also be remembered on wednesday at the company's headquarters in california. it's fitting we drink in donald trump to talk about an op ed written by rupert murdoch. donald has a new book out. good morning to you. >> good morning. >> steve: donald, on the op ed page, rupert murdoch, our boss here, he talks about what would steve jobs do? he says, we must approach education the way jobs approached every industry he touched. to be willing to blow up what doesn't work or gets in the way, to make our bet that if we can engage a child's imagination, there is no limit to what he or she can learn.

because right now the way it is, donald, a lot of kids in this country are winding up with a mediocre education and if we don't fix it, we are in trouble. >> i think rupert is 100% right and there is no better example than steve jobs. what he did and where he came from, he was not born with a silver spoon and he really -- what a great entrepreneur, but more importantly, what just a great imagination he had. he was an amazing guy. >> brian: what do you think about the classrooms today? from what you know, is education the key, if someone was to say long-term, how do we turn around this economy? >> education is the key. it's always the key, but sometimes, i've been watching over the years, they blame the schools, they blame the system, they blame the money, they blame the teachers, they blame everything. they blame the student. and some students, frankly, would be better off doing different types of work. with aptitude. and frankly, babe ruth hit a homerun. he was able to do that. they asked him, how do you do it? he said, i don't know, i just swing at it. now, people are born with

aptitudes. we can't get certain people in certain types of jobs that certain people may love and do really well and excel at it, better than i would, as an example. but they'll never be great students. we never blame the students. we always put the -- they have to study physics and they have to study chemistry and they have to study math. well, maybe the students aren't cut out for that and maybe they're much better off doing some kind of a job that i or you wouldn't be good at. i think we should start focusing on that really because we have so many jobs that just are not -- you have people coming in and taking these jobs and i think we should start focusing a little bit on the student. >> gretchen: interesting. let's talk about something you're going to be doing tonight. i want to preface this by saying you met with michelle bachman, who is running for president, i believe it was last thursday, after she was on the show here on "fox & friends." and then over the weekend she sent out a press release saying that you're doing a teletown hall with her tonight.

this is big news because you have not done this with any other candidate. why congresswoman bachman? >> actually she came up right after your show and she did meet with me and she is a lovely lady and she said, listen. not an endorsement, not anything, but would you do me a favor? would you do phone calls with lots of people? she called it a town hall meeting essentially. called a modern day town hall meeting. right? and i said, i guess i could. i didn't even know i was doing it until you just told me. but that's okay. >> gretchen: do you have other plans? >> i think it's fine. you'll have lots of people calling in and i look forward to it. i guess it's going to be for an hour tonight and it's my honor to do it. >> steve: we'll have persons tomorrow on our -- excerpts tomorrow on our program. >> i'll have to be careful. >> steve: let's talk about herman cain's plan, the 9-9-9

plan. there are a lot of people who say, that 9% sales tax, you tack it on top of whatever the state's got going now, that's going to hurt a lot of people. what do you think about it? it does blow up the current system. >> i've gotten to know herman very well and he's like a great guy. he has done an amazing job. one of the reasons that he's doing so well is he has a plan and it's a simple plan. it doesn't have to be complicated. you look at people today and i can tell you, speaking of tax returns, they're a mile high. it's too complicated. and he has a plan that's simple. now, a lot of people don't agree with the sales tax in particular, i'm reading about the sales tax element because it puts pressure on certain groups that don't need the pressure. but he hasn't really explained. there are certain deductions out of that, or certain limits where maybe they're not subject to it. so we would have to hear more about it. but he's got something that resonates and he's got something

that's a plan because you don't hear plans. you don't hear a plan from obama, he's the p. never a plan. i have never heard a plan from president obama. and he's our leader. >> brian: he does say that that's a great point. i like to end with what do you think president obama's rhetoric has to do with the sit-ins happening. but herman cain is in tennessee, in iowa, he's not in new hampshire. he hasn't set up the infrastructure yet. he hasn't hired the people that would -- like mitt romney has. do you have a problem with that? >> no, i love what he's doing. he's getting on television. he's getting his message and he's not hiring bloodsuckers. all of these consultants that take your money and want millions of dollars to tell what you to say and most of them have failed miserably. i could name half of them and you look at their careers, they've been horrible. yet they want millions of dollars to represent people. herman said no, i'll do it myself. i have a message, i'll do it myself. look how he's doing. he'll go on your show and other shows and people will listen and

that's a lot better than a political consultant. >> steve: absolutely. he was on "meet the press" yesterday. he revealed he does not have enough money to go right up through the entire primary scene. but it's not the money that's important. here is herman cain. it's about the message. >> message is more powerful than money. the 2.8 million that we reported, it didn't -- what the report didn't say, no debt. >> steve: what do you think? mounting this kind of campaign for president? >> i've always thought that's better. honestly, i see the kind of money that people spend to run for president and if you have an ability to get publicity and if you have an ability to get on the shows, like your show won't take a lot of people. you don't want them. it's no good for your ratings. it's a simple business. your business is very simple. if it's no good for your ratings, it doesn't matter. but the fact is, herman can get on shows and he's doing that rather than spending millions of dollars in advertising. i agree with him 100%.

>> gretchen: let me talk to you about the occupy wall street situation because we thought maybe it would come to a close last week when the owners of the park were going to make the protesters frankly leave so they could clean it up. then they changed their decision. so this thing continues to grow now. i want you to listen to what's going on out in portland, what the protesters are chanting there. we can't -- we have to bleep it out, so you have to use your imagination, donald. >> brian: it's easier to figure out. but donald, how do you feel about a bunch of people saying blank the usa? >> i think that particular guy and that group is doing no service to what they're representing. i do think government maybe is letting this go a little bit too far. people are having a great time.

they're all going down, they're having a great time. but change has to be made. not obama's kind of change. real change. obama's change was just words. everything with him is just words, all nonsense. >> gretchen: do you think that the president's rhetoric, speaking about the group of millionaires and billionaires over and over again, almost vilifying them, do you think that had anything to do with these protests sparking up? >> i think it has total to do and i think the protesters should be down at the white house protesting because he's doing a terrible job on the economy. he's doing a terrible job on jobs. and he knows nothing about -- this guy has never done a deal in his life, except for his house, which wasn't a very appropriate deal. this is the problem. class warfare and that's probably the only way he thinks he can get elected because he's done a lousy job as president. >> brian: even if he divides the country. >> it's totally dividing the country. >> steve: donald trump, you have united the curvy couch today in being a great guest as you join us each and every monday and we thank you very much and we'll be

listening tonight. >> my honor. >> steve: in your teletown hall conference with michelle bachman. >> thank you very much. >> gretchen: coming up on our show, we're going to expose our intelligence community creating a lot of controversy. one person says that it's too big, too complex, and is not keeping us safe. she feels so strongly about this, she's here next to debate it. >> brian: the stars of the show called "american guns" are here on the curvy couch. someone pat them down. not you again, gretchen. follow the wings.

the best approach to food is tkeep it whole for better nutrition. that's what they do with great grains cereal. they steam and bake the actual whole grain while the otr guy's flake is more processed. mmm. great grains. the whole whole grain cereal. >> brian: last year the "washington post" published a series of articles about the growth of the intelligence agencies. the reporters claim it was getting too big for its own good. in the past year, we've killed

osama bin laden, al-awlaki, his son over the weekend, and thwarted several other terrorist plots. so is the expansion of the agency really bad? joining us are the authors of two columns, an investigation reporter and author of a book, and ronald kesler is here. author of "the secrets of the f.b.i.." welcome to both of you. dana, you think they're good, but think it's getting too big. why? >> it got big because we were so panicked after 9-11 that congress kept writing basically blank checks to anybody who had an idea about counterterrorism and never stopped to say, what works and what doesn't work? and as government does, it keeps growing if it can, including the thousands and thousands of contractors now who work in this area, work for profit making companies who want to make more money and aren't going to say no thank you to those payments. of course, it's all classified.

so it's hard for you and me to judge. it's really -- it really relies on a handful of people in congress to do that and they really aren't very good. they're overwhelmed. they don't have enough technical people to look inside these organizations. so the system itself ten years later after al-qaeda has almost been nearly defeated, osama bin laden, al-awlaki are dead, it's time to reassess. it's time to say, what have we created here? that's what we show in the book. in the series is the gigantic thing we've created. >> brian: right. and this area, expertise, ron, are you concerned about the size? >> not at all. to say that it's big and it's secret, oh, my god, there must be some problem, there was no abuse revealed here. there was no actual waste. obviously there are areas where there could be improvement, but the fact is since 9-11, we have not been attacked. that is because of the intelligence community. every few months, the f.b.i. announces arrests.

everyone in america knows the answer to that series, has it kept us safe? yes, it has. the book actually goes further and says, well, it's secret, so we don't know if they could be harming us. you could say that about anything. we don't know what's going on. they could be doing something. the pack is this series never really vealed any actual abuse. the annual intelligence budget, which is cited in this series is $85 billion -- $75 billion. that's a bargain. >> brian: do you think it's a bargain, dana? >> no. not in this time. that's just amount of money that they count in the intelligence community. it doesn't actually include a lot of the military spending on intelligence. the abuse is not the classic stealing money, although that has gone on. the abuse is really of taxpayer money and of our attention. i mean, there are organizations here that have done the work

that needs to be done. they have almost killed off the entire al-qaeda organization. those are not the vast majority of this complex that we describe. those are very relative low small, hugely focused organizations. they aren't the huge department of homeland security or the giant army intelligence agency. >> brian: i'm not going to get two to agree. one thing we can agree on, they've had a lot of success. >> let me just say, if the series had said we have not been attacked since 9-11, the series could not have run because that would have been the answer. this is really a big change from the "washington post" which has become very fair and balanced lately. >> brian: your book is "the secrets of the f.b.i." and dana's book is "top secret america." coming up next, guns are what holds this family together. meet the real life stars of the new show called "american guns." but first, let's check in with martha mccallum who is not packing and she's here at the top of the hour. >> how do you know? >> brian: hemmer tells me everything. >> we're packing a lot.

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>> steve: welcome back. family that shoots together, stays together. nowhere is that more clear than on the new show "american guns." >> see that nice pretty pink tank? >> yeah. >> i want to see a group right on the side of that tank. >> i can do that. >> don't miss. >> three shots. you ready? >> yep.

>> oh! okay. two. [ cheers and applause ] look at that! wow. >> steve: way to go, page. there went your brother's motorcycle. the family owns gunsmoke, a gun shop in colorado that trades and sells some of most's historic and iconic weapons. joining us is the father, rich, the mother, renee, and their children, curt and paige. good morning to you. >> good morning. >> steve: rich, the intent of this program is to show folks that owning guns and buying guns, it's not that weird. >> we just want everybody to see we're not a red neck camouflage wearing family. we're just a normal american family that happens to carry and use and buy and sell guns. >> steve: renee, the key is when you have a gun, you feel safe. >> i am safe. i'm a lot safer than if i didn't have it. i'd rather have the gun and not need it than need the gun and

not have it. i have four children. it's my ultimate responsibility to protect them. >> steve: curt, didn't you and your mother take classes together to learn how to operate a gun? >> we did, yeah. i was 13 years old and we took 5 1/2 days of general pistol class and we still offer that class today. >> steve: now you are a master engraver, right? >> i don't know if i'm a master, but i'm certainly learning. >> steve: for tv purposes, you are a master. congratulations. >> nice. >> that doesn't mean any salary increase. >> steve: listen to you. here is some of the -- that would be on a pearl inlay, i would imagine? >> yeah. >> steve: very nice. paige, i know you wish you could work at the shop more. >> yes. >> steve: would it be fair to say that your boyfriends are terrified of your father who not only owns a gun shop, but is an ex cop as well? >> they're definitely a little scared. they're definitely a little intimidated until we kind of get

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