>> we didn't run you off. >> brian: i don't want to take my chances. >> gretchen: tomorrow, billy banks and the original karate kid, ralph macchio is here. >> steve: come back to the couch, brian, please. ever seep and who could argue with this? >> opening up in front of them and oh, here he goes. it's a huge crash. >> oh no. >> oh, multiple cars involved. oh, my. it looks like dan wheldon may be involved in it. bill: the racing world, mourning the death of indy car driver dan wheldon, two time indy 500 champion, losing his life in that violent 15 car pileup in las vegas. if morning, i'm bill hemmer. martha: good morning, everybody, i'm martha maccallum.

you take a look at this video and it is the moment of impact captured on a camera of ut indy car driver at that race. look at what he had in front of him at that moment, racing at speeds of 200 miles an hour, plus, his car went airborne before crash going a fiery wreck that was already going on on the track below. reaction is pouring in from all over, from fellow drivers, from friends, from fans. here's some of it: >> just ask everybody to pray, because the family is the one that has suffered most from it. >> it's a dng reduce sport, i know, we're close to that every day, and in normal life as well, but you know, you don't think about it, and today, you have to think about it. the loss of one of my best friends, of my greatest team ate. sue: we can put so much pressure on ourselves to win races and championships and that's what we love to do, that's what we live for, and then days like today, it doesn't really matter, you

know? we lost -- i lost, we lost, a good friend,. >> a little bit of everybody in indy car racing died kno once called it the biggest sporting event in the world and only months after taking the title for a second time, he died behind the wheel. want to get to casey stegall but want to show you on the screen behind us what was happening with dan whelon. there was activity in the bottom, the top of the turn, rather, and down here in the -- whelon came over the top, careening, going over the wall, above the fence, what's whaz called -- what's called a catch fence and wheldon had virtually no shot of surviving this. there he comes again. driversgate out of the car and they walk away and you sit there at home and you watch it on tv and think how in the world was it possible. this time it was not possible and dan wheldon is dead. casey stegall picks it up from the west coast with more. >> reporter: good morning to you. that catch fence that you

were just pointing -- pointing out there is designed to give a little bit but certainly not designed to withstand a wreck like this, even seasoned race car drivers say they have never seen something quite this bad. look at those pictures, 15 cars involved, you can see some bursting into flames, dana kirk patrick is one of the first women to win one of the indy race, she describes the scene as something straight out of a movie. this happened a little after 1:00 at las vegas motor speedway, a chain reaction wreck, as one of the drivers lost control of his car, hitting the second turn on lap 12, and you can see from the video that cars then started slide going the retaining wall, some went airborne. you can see from the still pictures, a team of more than 20 doctors worked on dan wheldon, following this horrific crash. once he was pulled from the wreckage, the 33-year-old british driver was then

air-lifted to the university medical center in las vegas, about two hours later, news of his death was made public >> i have seen something like that, and the answer is you never -- you don't want to see stuff like that. it hurts. you don't come to the races to see stuff like that. >> we saw a massive explosion, and to be honest, everybody gasped in that crash and nobody around us had seen a crash that big before in their lives, man. it was absolutely devastating. i mean, you could tell that something serious had happened. everybody around us was absolutely stunned. including myself. >> reporter: now, there is word this morning that some of the drivers had apparently expressed concern about the number of cars that were in yesterday's race, 34 of them, and the speeds at which they were traveling, these indy cars were going more than

220 miles per hour, at practice. the remainder of that race was canceled yesterday, bill, something that is extremely rare. dan wheldon is survived by his wife and two young children. bill: that's -- >> that's devastating for the race world. bill: it is, at that point, trying to move up in the race, towards the end of it and going for it. case ste stegall -- casey stegall. from. -- martha: and his family is devastated and his father in law, speaking out to the type of man dan wheldon was. >> he wasn't just a great driver, he was a great human being. he was always very, very positive, always had something good to say about everybody, and very polite, as all englishmen are, but he was specifically polite, and i just can't believe that he is no longer with us. and i don't know if i mentioned this, but they sang happy birthday today for me today, because i have my birthday, and i wished him a good race, and here we

are. martha: what an awful tragedy. look at the picture of him with his beautiful wife, two young children, the youngest is only ten months old, i think. there they are. it is an awful, awful day for the racing community. he also says his father in law that they had discussed safety issues, as any father in law would with a son-in-law involved in this kind of sport but dan reassured him the cars are built safer and stronger and better. so rest in peace, dan wheldon. bill: they are bigger and they are stronger and they are safer, but what can withstand that and 34 cars on the track at that time, it was crowded. wheldon's death, the most recent in a string of losses in the indy league, back in 2006 a driver was killed in a race in miami, ironically, wheldon won that event, in that year, in 2003, rena was killed in indianpolis, in 196, broth breyton died in a wreck, in 2000, a makeover

increased the embankment angle at turns. martha: wheldon was, as you know, one of the most popular drivers on the indy circuit. here's a spoke person for indy car talking about him. >> this is a huge loss to indy car, so the i swrovment d owners, the team members, everybody is taking this hard. it's a risk with sport but it's a loss for the endy car community and family. martha: if he had won that race, wheldon was to split a $5 million bone from us a fan from new jersey as part of a promotion plan there. he leaves behind, as we mentioned, his beautiful wife and two young boys. bill: we'll have more throughout the show and including reaction from racing experts who are raising serious concerns about the las vegas motor speedway track and changes that were implemented there in nevada. so much more on that in a bit. martha: all right. to this now, the u.s. is looking to make iran pay for the alleged plot to assassinate the saudi ambassador on americanil of

oil, there is a report the united states wants iran to release documents about the iran nuclear program. here's jar crarny talking about that. >> this president has been very focused on holding up iranian behavior so it is clearly seen by other nations around the world, and that enables us to work cooperatively with our international partners to isolate and put pressure on iran in a way that it never has been achieved before. martha: steve centanni joins us live from the white house. steve, is there any thought being given at this point to a strike against the elite quds force that was apparently behind this plot? that's been discussed. >> reporter: yeah, well, all options are on the table, as you hear the white house repeatedly say, but specifically, whether there could be or would be a strike against the quds force, senator dianne feinstein, chairwoman of the senate intelligence committee, was asked that over the weekend and here's

what she had to say: >> i've never seen a plan to do it. it probably would escalate into a war, and the question is, do we want to go to war with iran at this time. my judgment is no. we have our hands full with iraq, with afghanistan, with the deteriorating relationship with pakistan. >> reporter: and feinstein also says she does support the idea of putting sanctions on iran's central bank. back to you. martha: steve, thank you very much. steve centanni, joining us live from washington with more. bill: on a monday we're off and running, aren't we? in a moment, more stories we're working in nerk's muse room. new developments in the search for lisa irwin, she's ten months young, including new revelations from her own mother about what she was doing the night lisa went missing. stay tuned for that. martha: new information in that, that's coming up. stay tuned for that. in the meantime, the president's health care overhaul suffering a significant set myung-bak.

why the administration just scrapped a major part of that law. bill and more today from herman cain on the 999 plan, that plan, by the way, is under attack from the right and the left. cain says it's a simple way to get america moving again. but will it work? art laffer, consulted him, art lafor is our guest in only three minutes -- laffer is our guest. >> let me tell you something before i go to that about being in the top tier of the candidates, can you all see that big bull's eye on my back?

martha: there's a stunning new admission from the mother of the missing 11 month old baby girl lisa irwin, deborah bradley telling our own megyn kelly she was drunk the night her daughter vanished, she also says that police asked her if she killed lisa but she says she doesn't think alcohol changes the person enough to do something like that. the missouri national guard is in the search effort

here, looking in the woods for any clue that is might lead to this little girl and finding her. we've got a lot more on this, megyn will be here to talk to us about the in depth interview she did over the weekend with the parents, new information in this case coming up, she'll join us next hour. bill: so herman cain's raising cain, defending his 999 tax plan to the public, the republican presidential candidate denying that it will hit america's middle and lower classes the hardest. cain says it's a simple solution, but some of the other candidates now raising doubts. newt gingrich is one: >> if herman figure the out how to do it all right and can explain 9 percent sales tax so people want t. he has a good chance to be the nominee. herman has, as people look at 99 and des aggregate it, it gets to be a harder sell i think. >> with the reality of this plan, the wealthiest americans pay less, the poorest americans and middle class would pay more, you don't dispute that. >> i do dispute that.

you and others are making assumptions about what wealthy americans would do with their money and you're making assumptions about what the middle class and the poor. you can't predict the behaviors. bill: art lafor, former economic adviser for president ronald rag ain is with me now. good morning to you art, welcome back to "america's newsroom". >> good morning, bill, how are you today? >> aisle aisle bim doing fine, thank you. i know he consulted you on this and other can consulted you as well, so you're not exclusive to herman cain and i know you've not endorsed him at least at the moment nip and i don't know whether that will change down the road but some folks are saying to 999, they're saying no-no no. what he's saying on "meet the press", what does he mean by you cannot predict peoples' behavior as it applies to this plan? >> well, i'm not sure what he means by that exactly. but what i think he means is that they have exempted -- if you read this plan, they have exempted everyone below the poverty level from paying any one of the three taxes. i mean, literally.

so they will not be hitting the poor. that just isn't going to happen. number two, the whole reason for this thing, it's a lower marginal tax rate to, get economic growth to create jobs and to have a laffer curve, we all want more tax revenues but we just don't want them because the economy is sluggish and you raise rates, we want them because it creates jobs and we collect taxes naturally. i just don't understand all these criticisms. it's very much in line with -- >> bill: let me walk through this if i could. >> sure. bill: first of all, just so our viewers know, these are the 310ets of the plan, replace the current tax system, put a 9 percent tax on corporations, personal, national sales tax, that's your # 99, fair tax replacement is part of the idea. he said yesterday that some people will see their taxes go up. who are those people? >> that's true. they're probably in the middle group. but i hope everyone sees their taxes increase, because frankly, the whole reason for doing this is to create economic growth and

more jobs, and, transfer -- therefore, more taxes in the process of bringing this budget into line but in the static level, the poor, the low income groups, should not see any increase in taxes at all and the marge national tax rates being lowered, you won't see any more tax rates on those people, either. if the middle group that will have some more, businesses, et cetera, but bottom line, that's not including growth, which is really the whole purpose of doing this and to get growth, more jobs, and more output. bill: at the beginning of your answer you said you want to see taxes go up for everyone, is that what you said? >> oh yes. yes. i really do. bill: why? >> but not tax rates. i want to see taxes go up because we go to full employment, we increase output, employment, production. there's much higher output and employment and production, we'll get huge increases in tax revenue. bill: but you know in like florida they have different laws in that state, texas has different laws, new hampshire doesn't have a sales tax. how do you sell this idea during a primary in states like that?

i mean, especially new hampshire. >> well, let me try you on the selling, and i mean, jerry brown ran with something similar to this in 1992, he came in second, in the democratic primary, and i think he would have beaten bill linton had he not done other things but jerry brown had something similar, in the democrat o'clock primary, bill, jerry brown did beautifully with a low rate flat tax, ronald rag ain, 1986, we had the '86 tax act which was very similar to what herman cain is proposing. do you know what the vote was in '86 on that? it was 97 of the senate voted for it and three voted against t. almost every democrat voted with it. we cut the highest tax rate from 28 percent -- i mean from 50 percent to 28 percent. and they actually raised the lowest tax rate in the '86 act. bill: so when what you're doing, you're reach going other parts of the economy to pull money, the 47 percent. >> exactly. bill: the 47 percent of americans who don't pay

income tax, a portion or percentage of them that would, and that raises revenue into washington and you believe that stimulates growth. >> yes. bill: herman cain said friday night he's going to come out with do tals on the people he consulted with and more information on. -- on this. we're await thank today. art laffer, thank you very much. >> a pleasure. bill: 19 minutes past the hour. martha: you couldn't miss him if you looked at the newspapers or anything over the weekend, wall street protests, rattling in cities around the world now and the president stepped a bit closer to embracing the movement over the weekend and eric cantor stepped back from his criticism of the groups. so is all that wise politically? brit hume on what it's really all about with us, folks. bill: and the series upset, you bet, the st. louis cardinals winning the eighth pendant, taking on the texas rangers wednesday night, game one. milwaukee is out. >> the cardinals win the national league pennant for

the 18th time.

bill: 23 minutes past the hour, a monday morning, today marks the first day candidates can sign up for the new hampshire primary, texasman ron paul the first to file his paperwork. two, 15-year-old girls are dead and 13-year-old critically wounded when hit by a freight train in utah, apparently the girls were on the tracks taking pictures at the time. new studies find cell phones with kids, brains absorb twice as much radiation as adults do, scientists believe children are more at risk because their bodies are smaller and skulls are thinner. that's something that can be debated, right? >> martha: interesting to know the extent to which cell phones affect the human body. bill: trying to get it figure figured out. martha: good reason, to say

no. they do a lot of texting, which seems to help. let's talk about this for a moment, a brand new way to take much of the uncertainty out of your cell phone bill. soon you will get an alert when nearing the limits on your cell phone idea. like this idea. peter bawns joins me live from washington. peter, they're going to tell us when they're going to charge us more, that sounds pretty good. >> reporter: that's right, martha. this is for all wireless devices, including my ipad, for example. the fcc, federal communications commission, a major -- and major wireless carriers will jointly announce this program in about 40 minutes. it will be to warn consumers when they are reaching monthly limits on voice, texting and data services an international roaming, according to an fcc official. for example, on my ipad, i have a monthly plan that costs me 25 bucks a month for two gigabytes worth of data. in the future, if i'm going to go over that, i'll get a notice from my wireless company. this is a voluntary program, it's seen as a victory for the wireless industry, which

has been lobbying against an fcc proposal that would have created a federal rule requiring wireless companies to help consumers avoid these surprises in their cell phone bills. it's all supposed to take effect in april next year. martha: so that is the answer to the when question. how much money are we talking about here? >> well, i'm trying to get some big numbers from the wireless industry or the fcc, but we have got anecdotal stories about people getting charged thousands of dollars, because they're not aware that they're over their limits on their wireless plan. martha: interesting. thank you peter, always good to see you, peter barnes, joining from us washington on this monday. bill: i already get an alert when i'm running out of gigs. i already get one. apple sends if out. martha: that's good. you're probably blowing through that limit all the time! bill: they love me and apple! michele bachmann, trying to jump start other campaign, how the minnesota congresswoman is trying to -- she's throwing out a

trump card to try to get a bump in the polls. have you heard? >> i had a wonderful meeting with mr. trump upstairs, we had a great time, he served a wonderful breakfast, we had just a great meeting and we'll continue to work together and talk to him. a lot of people have great respect for him, as i do. we have a wonderful relationship -- slelings hundred and we just had a great time this morning.

martha: michele bachmann,

getting donald trump to take part in her national tele town hall tonight, which is kind after phone in, town hall set up. it's apparently the first time he's agreed to do something like this for a 2012 candidate after talking to so many of them and having lunch and dinner with most of them and it certainly comes at a time when michele bachmann means a bit of a shot in the arm. her numbers have tumbled, she is now in sixth place. just a few months ago that same poll had her in second place, only behind mitt romney in that poll. so we're joined by alice stewart, meshel -- michele bachmann's communications director. >> great to be with you, thank you. martha: donald trump is going to be part of this. they met last week. we played a sound bite after her meeting, she said it was a great meeting. let's listen to what donnal trump said this morning about participating in the tele town hall tonight. here's this from p fox & friends". she said listen, not an endorsement, not anything, but would you do me a favor, would you do phone calls

with lots of people, and she called it a -- i guess a town hall meeting, slings. i look forward to it. i guess it's going to be for about an hour and it's my honor to do it. martha: he says he's honored to do it and it's going to be -- going to be a phone-in thing. what does this mean that trump is participating? he says it's not an endorsement. >> it's not but as you said, they had a fantastic meeting last week and he was happy to help. they agree on a lot of issues, first and foremost, that obama has done a terrible job handling the economy and we need to change things around, they agree that china has been the bad actor in the world economy, they agree that it's time to start producing american energy, right here now and stop sending our money to opeg and also it's important to create american jobs and stop sending jobs and companies overseas. so they have a lot of ideas that they share in agreement on the economy and in the teletown hall, it's a great opportunity to share those ideas and talk about them, but most importantly, to engage the american people and have the opportunity to

ask mr. trump some questions and michelle as well. martha: it seems like the biggest issue in front of her right now may not be president obama, it may be herman cain and mitt romney and the others in this race on the gop side, and as we showed, her numbers have slipped quite a bit, she's down to single digits in the 6 percent range. why do -- why do you think that is? >> as you said, the numbers aren't exactly in our favor at this point but things are going to turn around. martha, you recall in 2008, at this point in that election it was fred thompson and rudy giuliani leading the polls and they fell to the side, governor huckabee, who i was working with at the time, was trailing in the polls and he came out to win the iowa caucuses. it's a long time between now and when people vote in the caucuses and primaries and what michelle is going to do from here on, through the primaries and caucuses is what she does better than any of the other competitors in this race is retail politics, she loves talking to people, she's great one on one, she loves hearing what they have to say and connects with them better

than any of the other candidates and we're going to do that in iowa and the early states. martha: as we all know, that's hugely important in iowa, the folks in iowa like to have that one wound experience with these candidates, as they come through. she's got to be putting a lot of her folks -- she really would have to win iowa in that primary to turn this around. is that the way you guys are looking at it as well? >> exactly, martha. we're going to basically be camped out in iowa through the caucuses. that's critical to her, of course, she's from iowa, born in waterloo, and the people there connect with her views and values on the social and the economic issues, and with her new plan that we came out with last week, real jobs right now, they see that she has a framework in place to help create jobs and stimulate the economy, which is what people in iowa and all the early states are talking about. so she'll be spending more more -- more than 30 days in iowa. martha: it's interesting to see cain's movement up, he's in newsweek, he's the top contender for the gop nomination and he's

occupying the space that she was very popular in, the tea party group and folks who are not part of the sort of traditional mainstream gop. how do you take on herman cain? >> well, first and foremost, what she does better than a lot of the other candidates as well is the debates. she has had tremendous debate performances and these are perfect opportunities for the candidates to contrast themselves with each other, and she will continue to outline her plans for job creation and improving the economy and herman cain has a plan, but michelle also has a framework for a broadway to help improve the economy, and as i said, being in iowa, spending time, face to face, one on one with the people is what she does best and we are focusing on that, spending quite a bit of time in iowa. martha: some people have criticized him for not spending enough time in iowa so your strategy is interesting in all of that. alice, thank you very much for talking with us today. >> thank you. martha: thank you. we encourage folks to go to michele bachmann.com to find out about the teletown hall

tonight. martha: thank you very much, take care. bye alice. bill: 25 minutes before the hour, after five years in captivity, captured israeli soldier gilad shalik could be reunited with his family as soon as tomorrow. shepard smith talked with his anguished father right after his capture in the senior of 2006. >> it's not logic that they'll keep the young boy as a hostage, and for many people, for us as family, for many other innocent people. bill: again, that was five years ago, now the home coming comes with a heavy price. more than 1000 palestinian prisoners will be released, some said to be the worst of the worest for hamas. leland vitter is tracking that live from jerusalem.

>> reporter: bill, it's pretty interesting, despite that very high price, 80 percent of israelis say they think this is a deal the country should make, though 60 percent of this country feels that that -- feels that releasing these guys is going to create more bloodshed, there will be more israelis killed by mill fant groups, however, the families thoafts who have already killed from those being released say this is a very bad deal. >> a suicide bomber blew up haifa bus 37, killing zur and 17 others, many, like the boy nicknamed blondie were heading home from school. >> is the fact that the man responsible for your son's death has only served 8 1/2 years in prison and know goes back to his family, does that seem fair to new. >> i feel betrayed by the state of israel, first, failure to protect my son and to prevent this terror attack, now betraying him and me, the second time by releasing his murderers.

>> the victim's families are marching to the prime minister's office to go ahead and protest this deal. they have white flags with them and they say this is a deal that is basically a surrender to those people who have prompted to -- promised to kill more israelis. >> gilad shalik comes home, a thousand palestinians do as well, including those acued of lynching israelis in rathera, the mastermind of the bomb that killed 15 and the attack that killed two dozen kids waiting in line on a friday night. >> this deal is going to bring two things. one is more kidnappings, and second, more terror attacks. >> reporter: history has a funny way of repeating itself here in the middle east. the last big prisoner swap deal, bill, included a number of people who also had israeli blood on their hands and they have tracked it since that happened.

in the preceding years at least 175 israelis were killed by the people who were released. bill, back to you. bill: leland vitter, see you , see you -- wool see if the home coming happens tomorrow in jerusalem. martha: let's get you to the markets as theyoped up about eight minutes ago, the dow did down about 63 points as investors are watching for earnings reports to come n. ibm, coca colyarks apple, and general electric, later on, the dow closing up 166 points on friday's close. so a decent day friday. bill: makes for a nice weekend, everybody is exhale for a little bit. that's why they call it monday! >> martha: exactly. bill: where is it going to go? how do you create jobs? a leading republican says stop the class warfare and remove the shackles off business in america. think this government can do that? we'll have a terrific panel on that to debate it in a moment. martha: while we hear about the lack of border patrol along our southern border, do we have too many boots on

the ground on the northern border? good we. -- good question.

bill: washington, believe it or not, is divided over a jobs plan to get americans back to work again. eric cantor says president obama's plan will not work, he says been there, done that. he says both parties need to find a solution other than raising taxes on top earners. >> we know in this country right now that there is a complaint about folks at the top end of the income scale, that they make too much and too many don't make enough. we need to encourage those at the top of the income scale to actually put their money to work to create more jobs so that we can see a closing of the gap. you know, we're about income mobility, and that's what we should be focused on to take care of the income disparity in this country. bill: income mobility is the catch phrase this morning. good morning, tony saic,

republican analyst and national political correspondent for talk radio and kirsten powers, how are you two doing today, huh? >> great bill. bill: income mobility, tony, what is that? what's the idea the candidate ises are trying to -- that is trying to get across? >> class warfare is the idea under president obama's leadership. in this political ayeen, it's the response to that. i think that's the wrong word, too. economic growth, my old boss jack kemp said the rising tide raises all boats and that's all layers of american workers. if you create jobs and create wealth, through the private sector, and redistribute wealth and capital in the private sector, the economy flourishes and grows. when government tries to control the process and outcomes and redistributes wealth it stays sticknant and creates larger deficits. bill: he says consistently,

less regulations will take the shackles off business in america. >> and reform tax policy. bill: true. kirsten, what do you think about what he's talking about? >> i thought it was interesting that he referred to closing the gap, which is not a normal republican talking point. in fact, normally, when democrats complain about income inequality in this country, you usually get the name calming, the class warfare stuff. so it seems like he's shifting his tone a little bit. bill and to what direction do you conclude? >> into sort of acknowledging that there is a problem of income inequality in this country, that it's not okay that you have the tiny percentage of people who make the bulk of the wealth, and while there's so many other people suffering, and he -- i think he was much more conciliatory, frankly, in this interview than he's been at any other point in discussing -- >> bill: but how you arrive at that is the debate that's underway. >> no. well, actually, it's been a

debate as to whether it even matters, frankly. like i said, when democrats typically talk about income equality you usually get a lot of push myung-bak saying that's class warfare and who cares, these people earn this money, rather than recognize thank something is really askew that when you look at how much salaries have grown, for example, for doing the exact same thing -- >> bill: i understand what you're saying, but tony what he was arguing was not to change the tax system but to howrnlg business toss hire more so that more of the unemployed get a job, and that's how you decrease the disparity that kirsten is describing. do i have that right? >> you do, although part of that is changing the tax code, particularly when you have the highest corporate tax in the industrial western world in the united states. bill: corporate tax. not personal tax. >> not personal income tax but corporate tax. but that's also a hinderance and barrier. here's what kirsten's smtion forgets, though, she thinks wealth is this stagnant thing that sits there. most republicans and people

believe in the american economy's dynamism believe that wealth can actually grow, be created, and redistributed through the economy itself. not through government manipulation. and this is not a republican or democratic problem. the top 5 percent of high earning americans under bill clinton had their wealth risen by 19 percent, versus under 1 percent by george bush. this is a problem since 1968 because we have gotten to a point where government solutions are starting to trump the private sector solutions to growing our economy. we need to refocus on liberating capital, liberating wealth. that creates that rising tide, lifts all those boats. bill: that's the reason why this jobs bill hasn't gone anywhere. kirsten, go ahead, respond to that. >> i just think that this is such old, stale talking points, you know? somehow that democrats don't understand that. you know, in just referring to bill clinton, who was the last president really to oversee a strong economy in this country for any kind of extended period of time, so it's not that democrats

don't understand that, or even the idea that you're saying that, you know, the government doesn't play any role in this, when republicans, all their arguments are about things that the government should do, that the government has to, you know, create this environment where these corporations can flourish more when in fact they're sitting on piles of cash. bill: you would agree it encourages the environment to take on regulations of -- they would change the way they do business. >> that's the reason why the money is sitting there, kirsten. you know that. they're not sure what's going to come up around the corner. >> look, in a moment of bipartisan candor, let's say the truth. the problem is this. the republican solution is very long term. people want results now. bill: we got to run. >> the democrats' way to short term, it's only going to solve the problem for a year. we need something in the middle. bill: kirsten, wish i had more time. >> you can agree with me! >> i agree with what you just said. >> i sensed that!

bill: 9:47 a.m., eastern time. monday, october 17th. thanks to both of you. go to our website, foxnews.com/"america's newsroom", there's a bya box there, about the economy, health care, anything you want, hemmer, foxnews.com, also twitter me, the lines are open, by, because you asked, at home. martha: speaking of that, president obama pushing his jobs plan to get americans back to work, but a new report saying it could actually cost jobs. the jobs plan, we got somebody here to talk about that, that's coming up. bill: the white house pulling the plug on a major pat of the health care overhaul law. we will tell you why and what that means. >> martha: before you head out to the store or to work today, we're along with you for the ride. go to foxnews.com/mobile where you can download on app, put us on your iphone, your ipad, we'll go along with you. >> your billboard! martha: don't forget!

bill: we are now learning to you a high school football player died avenue collapsed on the field during a game last week, according to the autopsy, ridge bar. den died of bleeding in the brain which can be consistent with helmet to helmet contact. his mother saying her son loved sports and she does not blame anyone for his tragedy. >> so shocking. i mean, he was with us, and it helps to know that he's -- even though there's bad out there, there's still good, that people do still care about their neighbors. he would feel the same way that he would not want those people to think that it was their fault, that it was just an accident, and the

only thing that he did, he focused and just say taketa attitude with you. bill: 16-year-old who's described as a tough guy on the football field and gentle giant off of it. martha: incredible mother to be able to discuss it that quickly, and to be so sensitive about the other family because you can imagine what they are going through in that family. so for years, we have been reporting here about the problems along the southern border with drug smuggling and illegal immigration. but now there are some state lawmakers in washington who are raising concerns about the northern border which is 4000 miles long, and get this, they're worried we are committing too many resources to that border. that's the opposite equation of what we got in south. dan springer joins us from seattle. dan, isn't this border basically wide open? >> yeah, and not just state lawmakers but congressional lawmaker as well. yeah, this 4000-mile long border is largely unguarded. in fact, the general

accountability office just recently came out with a report that said only 32 of the 4000 miles are adequately secured, however, we have seen a large increase in staffing since 9/11, it went from 340 agents to 2200, in the section of western washington, it's gone from 48 to 327. with those acts have come conflicts and allegations of racial profiling and you saw those protests. citizen groups say asians are targeting hispanics when they do random checks, and there are many hispanics who live along the island and peninsula, many work on farms and in the tourism business. the washington congressional delegation wants the border patrol to mainly focus on terrorism, drugs and illegals who have committed crimes. >> i'm against illegal immigration, but is that the most pressing issue at the northern border? i would say no, it is not. because there are seriously really bad folks operating along our border. >> and congressman larson

has met with the border patrol, along with many other in the congressional delegation to ask them to clarify their mission. >> martha. martha: well, who supports the border patrol in all of this, dan? >> reporter: well, you've got lots of people. the people who aren't very vocal are supporting them, also, people who are opposed to illegal immigration, they say this is clearly part of their core mission, they also say that the northern border does not have a big influx of people coming across, looking for jobs but those who have come across the southern border and up there are taking jobs just the came. -- same. supporters point out the northern border has been crossed twice by terrorists, one guy got caught at the better, the otherfuls killed in new york city, making a bomb. >> the reality is these terrorist organizations and criminal organizations will prey on areas where they see a weakness and where we are no presence. >> >> reporter: under public pressure and also pressure from that congressional delegation, the border patrol has stopped their random ferry

checks and the highway checkpoints, so they're not doing that anymore but they are still saying that's part of their mission to, if they find people or reports of illegal immigrants, to go and find out if they're here illegally. martha: dan, thank you very much. dan spring ner seattle. bill: a possible bombshell in the disappearance of 11 month old lisa irwin, her parents speaking out this time to megyn kelly. megyn will join us live with the new information she picked up over the weekend. martha: and president obama trying again to sell the jobs plan in north carolina and virginia today. he says he gets the occupy wall street movement. who wins by warming up to the occupiers? britt human on that. -- brit hume on that.

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martha: fox news alert. there is a news reaction pour in as the world mourns the death of indy race car

driver, dan wheldon. the two-time champ dying in a massive 15-car fiery crash. warning ahead. this video is disturbinging. >> open up in front of him. here we go. >> up in turn number two. >> oh, multiple cars involved. oh my. it looks like dan wheldon may be involved in it. >> that commentator was absolutely right as we know. wheldon was speeding through the pack when he drove into the tank felled cars. a lot of discussion perhaps too many cars out there. 34 on the track at that time. vehicles hurdling through the air, bursting into flames. it was a tragedy of course nobody expected that day. >> we all realize as much as we think we did. like i said, i would give all my support to suzie and the kids and hopefully, you

know, the problem is for us this day and we'll suffer through the pain of missing him. we'll pray for him and hopefully haven't got a very, very got a race car driver. >> it looked like a meleee. so, it was such a mess up, if i could say that you couldn't really tell what happened. i haven't seen that, only one other time i have ever seen anything that bad. martha: everybody at the track was so struck by this horrible event. you've got fellow drivers and fans remembering him. he was only 33 years old. he was a fan favorite. we're going to talk more about dan wheldon later on in the show. all right. so the battle against so-called, wall street fat cats picking up some more steam as thousands of protesters over the weekend flooded into times square. [shouting]

police arrested, this time about 70 people at the area that we call the crossroads of the world just a couple blocks from where we are right now. that is how we start a brand new hour of "america's newsroom." i'm martha maccallum. morning, everybody. bill: i'm bill hemmer. good morning to you. and morning to you on this monday. a month after these protests started here in new york city. martha: yeah. bill: the white house extending support for the cause. here is president obama referring to it during the memorial dedication at the new martin luther king memorial. >> if he were alive today i believe he would remind us the unemployed worker can rightly challenge the excesses of wall street without demonizing all who work there. martha: so that was the president. brit hume joins us now, fox news senior political analyst. good morning, brit. >> hi, martha. martha: a lot of discussion over the weekend, first of all just the comparisons that were made between martin luther king and civil rights movement and what we

see going on in times square and other cities around the world. what do you think about that. >> there are some similarities. martin luther king, jr. led marches and protest dem stations against, in favor of the cause for civil rights for all especially more american blacks who had been obviously treated as second class citizens for a long time. but i'm not sure the parallels extend far enough he can expect that the kind of almost unanimous support that the civil rights movement ultimately developed will swing behind these demonstrate, and their cause and politicians who support it. martha: what about president obama sort of making references to this group? politically does it make sense for him to kind of embrace this movement? >> well i think that, i understand a little bit why he's doing it but i think he is playing with fire. these protests are unfocused. civil rights movement was pretty focused. the tea party movement was pretty focused. these protests are unfocused

and they're susceptible to infiltration and perhaps even being dominated to some extent by some pretty hard-left activists who are not going to have sympathy from the, the sort of the independent centrists voters that the president needs to win his election. i think what he is trying to do though, martha if i can divine this, he is looking for energy in his base. i think they are looking at the 2004 election which was basically a base election in which the bush people managed to turn out all of their base and expand their base and win the election even though they narrowly lost, bush team narrowly lost the independent vote. the president has lost a lot of independent support. he can't count on kind of independent support he had ha in 2008. i think he thinks gee, look at at these young people in the streets. maybe they will energize the young people on campuses and

elsewhere in our country and i get some of that level of support i got in 2008. and so he is making these sort of tentatively sympathetic comments. martha: yeah. >> it has been tentative because he understands he is playing with fire. if this turns violent and ugly and too far left it will hurt him. martha: it is interesting to me, eric cantor kind of warmed up to this idea. he said they were an angry mob. he walked back on that on "fox news sunday". he said there is disparity of income in this country. if there is central idea this is rallying around i don't know if this is core what has people fired up a few blocks from here over the weekend that is something that can be turned back on conservatives. you guys talk about hating redistribution of wealth yet you want this disparity of income to be fixed. how do you reconcile those two things? >> the argument would be made on the right about that you do that by allowing the economy to grow and in which case everybody does better, and rich and nonrich.

so i think that is, that would be their argument. and i'm not sure they have made it very effectively ma that would be the one argument would say in the end if conservatives and republicans have to say about this. martha: started with a few folks down there has grown to moved to a lot of cities. rome, a lot of violence. thank you, brit. >> all right, martha. bill: the movement continues to grow and so do number about of arrests. 75 people taken away in cuffs in chicago. protesters chanting cpd, shame on you, chicago police department that is, while forming human chain around their encampment. they were forced to kick them out because they didn't have right permits to keep tents set up overnight. martha: that's the problem. more arrests in another occupied site. in phoenix, more than 40,000 protesters taken in custody after refusing to a leave a park closed for the night. demonstrators were chanting we love you to the police officers despite repeated

warnings, many of them just refused to leave. >> i hope i don't get arrested. if that is what they're going to do. >> they told us we were trespassing and we had to leave the park. >> i came over in a very, very, cadence with numerous warnings about you're trespassing and please leave. probably about three or four warnings. >> we're just standing out here to say that we have a first amendment right to just protest and occupy the park and we didn't get that. >> 40,000 sounds a little bit high, right? 40 people, arresting during that. it was a peaceful demonstration. protest organizers came out and police gave plenty of time to protesters to allow them to leave and didn't descend on the crowd until four hours after the park closed. bill: so it has been a 1,000 days since president obama took office. today the president start as three-day road trip in two states that will be critical to victory in november. north carolina and virginia. on the screen behind us. boy, these were very interesting states in 2008.

historically if you look at the match up between john mccain and barack obama in 2008, by the way on the map, red is republican, blue is democrat. in north carolina, i don't know if there was a race that could get any closer than this unless you're in florida and year 2000 between al gore and george bush. barack obama and john mccain. there were 4.2 million votes cast north carolina between the two. about 14,000 votes separates these two men, barack obama winning it by 14,000 votes. statistical dead heat at 50% to 50%. in virginia, from 2008 you have to go back to 1964 before virginia voted for a democrat in the national election. virginia went with barack obama. a little more of an advantage in virginia than north carolina. barack obama winning that state by seven points that was a big deal in the campaign for 2008 trying to win in the commonwealth. that's where we find ed hendry.

he is live in asheville, airport. that is fletcher, north carolina, where president obama will push his jobs plan there, ed and good morning to you. >> reporter: good morning, bill. you're right it is all about the map. how do you get to the magic number of 270 electoral votes to win the next presidential election. the bottom line is, as you way it out, virginia and north carolina combined have 28 electoral votes. that will be very important. both of these states, democrats carried it for first time in a long time, both of those states. there are some other math may be weighing the president down. recent poll in north carolina had disapproval for his job performance at 51%. disapproval on his handling of the economy even worse at 57%. that's all about the economy obviously. that's why this is the second round after bus tour for the president. remember he had one in the midwest several weeks back. republicans try to remind everyone about the high unemployment rate here and around the country.

bill: ed, republicans are outspoken about this jobs bill. how is this debate shaping up especially with democrats in the senate that don't like it? >> reporter: the bottom line what the president will do on this bus tour is to try to target individual pieces. we've seen him do that before but he will try to put an even finer point on it. here at the asheville, airport. talks about infrastructure spending. has only one runway. needs some repairs. go to a high school talking about making sure teachers don't get laid off. the argument struggled with, congress going nowhere. when you talk to senior democrats on this capitol hill, the president not likely getting $447 billion of a jobs bill. maybe get half of that, 200, 250 billion after they work through some of this, bill. bill: ed henry, thank you for that. on the road with the president the next three days in north carolina. the president is having trouble in those states the numbers are stacked up against him. since taking office the total public debt has

increased more than 4 trillion. two million jobs have been lost and u.s. has spent 9.6 trillion dollars, 60% more than we have taken in. according to gas lop his approval rating has dropped 30%. 11 minutes past the hour, martha. martha: there are new questions today about the president's jobs bill. there is a report out there that it might actually cut jobs rather than create them. we'll explain what that is about and where it is coming from. bill: this horrific crash, you look at it over and over think, wow, what impact, taking the life after two-time indy 500 race champion. more on the investigation how this happened. martha: plus new revelations from the mother of missing 11-month-old lisa irwin, breaking her silence she tells megyn kelly what she did that night when we come back. >> do you have any idea who may have been involved in her disappearance? >> no. >> no, we don't. >> we wish we knew.

>> do you believe that she was kidnapped? >> yes. why else would you take a 10-month-old baby? you don't take that for any other reason besides maybe you want one.

bill: police rpt stunned what they found in philadelphia. three people under arrest charged with chaining four mentally disabled adults to one another and locking them inside after filthy basement room. a landlord made the gruesome discovery over the weekend. >> i wouldn't do that to my worst enemy let alone a adult or human being. you don't do things like that. >> i don't know whether the motivation of this is just financial or out and out evil. i'm not sure. either way it is just a despicable act. bill: probably both. two of the suspects are arraigned on kidnapping and other charges. the fbi is helping with that investigation in philadelphia. >> president obama says that congress needs to pass his jobs bill. he has said that repeatedly. out there saying it again

today to get americans back to work is his claim. now there is new report claims the exact opposite would happen if the bill were enacted. according to the american action forum, president obama's jobs proposal they say would destroy more than 230,000 jobs? doug holtz-eakin joins me now, he is president of the conservative think tank that came up with this analysis. he is also former director of the congressional budget office so he is an expert numbers cruncher. >> good morning, martha good to see. >> how would this work? in order to pay for the bill you say they would have to do something that would make people to lose their jobs? >> the president proposes to pay for jobs bill in part taking $135 billion out of the medicare prescription drug program. that would force them to lay off workers and suppliers, those who buy the packaging and factories. that would come to 238,000 jobs.

martha: how could they not know this? >> presumably the president is aware of these potential impacts but superficial attraction coming up with $135 billion must have outweighed it. i think the larger point that is needs to be made is that the medicare part-d program has been enormously successful program. came in 40% below the expected costs. serves american seniors very well. this violates the old rule if it can't broke, don't fix it. martha: when you look at funding for original health care plan was passed, 500 billion came in savings. a huge chunk came into cutting into medicare. now you have this other program which some people are calling another stimulus. you got to get the money from somewhere, and, you know, i'm sure they will argue when you hear your report it is not true. >> i'm happy to have that debate. we looked at relationship between pharmaceutical revenues and employment pretty carefully this tracks the history. there is no dispute that this would take money away. both congressional budget office and office of

management and budget came up with these kind of budget numbers. if you take the money away it has to happen and looks like it is lost jobs. martha: what can they do if anything to fight back against this doesn't look like the jobs bill will pass so it may not be an issue they have to deal with? i'm sure their lobbyists are going crazy to make sure it doesn't happen? >> certainly the jobs bill doesn't appeer to have a future. super committee is looking at deficit reduction measures. the one concern the democrats would introduce the measure in that forum would have the same impact. may look like we're saving federal budget money but would have a very bad impact on economy. martha: doug, thank you very much for that analysis. good to talk to you always. have a good one. >> thanks. bill: a major part the health care overhaul has been scrapped. what does that mean for the law? what does it mean for you? dr. marc siegel has some answers on that in a moment. also there is this. >> here we go. >> a huge crash.

>> up in turn number two. >> oh, multiple cars. martha: you can hear the reaction in that booth there are new questions now about this fiery race car crash as family and friends worldwide mourn the loss of this man, indy driver dan wheldon. here is his father-in-law. >> i just can't believe that he is no longer with us. i don't know if i mentioned this but they sang happy birthday today for me today because i have my birthday and, i wished him a good race and, here we are.

martha: you got a group of thrill seekers, not exactly grabbing a bull by the horns but close. a run of the bulls right here in the united states. usually that happens in spain but some 200 people

running for their lives, look at this. what a scene through the desert outside of phoenix. organizers say the event is their version. they say it is safer because these bulls are just rodeo animals. they just buck you and throw you off and you know. they're not the kind in spain. bill: they look like cows actually. martha: running of the cows. bill: right. a whole new event. come on out. once a year. it will be huge. pulling the plug on a key program in the new health care law, the obama administration scrapping a long-term care insurance plan saying it is too costly and simply won't work. so what does that mean for patients and what does that mean for the law? fox news medical a-teamer dr. marc siegel. good morning to you. >> good morning to you. bill: this is acronym called clas. community living assistive services acted. what is that? >> that is a program that meant when you were young you pay a premium,

voluntarily and that later on, if you got disabled, if you got croningly sick, it would pay out $50 a day that would help you through that period of time. bill: i see. so it is insurance you take you pay into over the years. then when you need it you can draw on it. now you believe, this is strong language, you called it a ponzi scheme. >> i think it is a ponzi scheme, bill, because those that were expected to pay in are not necessarily those that would be helped later on. in fact, health and human services figured that out. that's why they're getting rid of this program because they thought the premiums are going to be exorbitant because they're not going to be able to get healthy people. they won't get enough people to buy into this. people are smart. they say wait a minute. i'm not one that will get the benefit and i don't want to pay that high a premium. it is bureaucratic mess. in my opinion it predicts what would happen to obama care in general if the individual mandate is gotten rid of this is a voluntary program. bill: the mandate is required for anyone, over 26

i believe if my memory is correct? that you would have to have to buy insurance. >> exactly. bill: and that is the funding that supports the new health care law that has yet to be decided in court. but make this link, mark, what are you saying? how does that made, handed down late friday night? >> the point is this was voluntarily. without a mandate, basically you end up with a problem where the premiums are really, really high and people are going to wait until they're very sick to get covered. that is what the obamacare law will look like if there is no mandate. that's what we expect from the supreme court rules against it. another point about this, that is really important. this is about the finagling going on when the law was made, they used this to say they would save $86 billion. this is what is called a front-loaded plan. meaning all the revenue came in the first 10 years and you didn't start to see the benefit for the next 10 years. that is a trick. that is how they tried to

get by the congressional budget office. you pay now. you get the benefit later. but people were saying, i might not be the one getting that benefit and i don't want to pay these premiums. bill: okay, now in a word, now that this is out, how significant is it? does it doom the law or can it survive without it? >> i think this is huge because this shows what's going to happen with the with the law without the mandate. this is beginning of unraveling of obamacare. obamacare is not good for doctors because it will cut our payments. and it is not good for patients because loading a huge entilement on top of the system and it will not help everybody and people already happy with their health care this is the beginning of unraveling obamacare. this is big news. bill: the doctor himself, marc siegel. thanks for coming in today. >> thank you, bill. bill: martha? martha: it was his first fight and his last. the victory this guy waited for for 2 years. bill: parents of lisa irwin are talking again. mother of missing

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bill: about 10:30 in new york now. there are brand new developments in the mother of missing baby lisa irwin, now entering its third week and the parents are talking again, this time with megyn kelly, from "america live" an megyn can with me in the studio. so you flew out over the weekend, sat them down and what did you find out? >> too many explosive things to go through in a few minutes' segment but it was almost a two-hour interview, there was no question that they would not answer and i asked every single thing i could think of about their possible involvement, their children's possible involvement, did they kill their child, did they sell their child, and each parent took me through all of their actions on the day in question, and i'll tell you, there is fodder in the interview for both sides, people who believe that they had something to do with it and people who believe that this truly was a stranger abducting a child. bill: wow.

there are two clips i want to play from your interview. you talked to her for how long? >> almost two hours. bill: this is a clip that i believe goes through your questions about what happened that night. >> this for the fr time on camera she revealed somethingsy sheriff said before, which was she was drunk on the night in question and you will only hear this here on fox, the number of drinks she had. you can watch it. >> let's talk about the wine how much did you consume that day? >> i had like several glasses of wine. >> when you say several, more than three? >> yeah. but that has nothing to do with her. >> more than five? >> probably. >> more than ten? >> no. >> was it just wine, orioo. >> yeah, just wine. >> no vodka? >> no. >> were you drunk? >> yeah. >> was your neighbor drunk? >> i don't think so. i don't know. we don't -- we haven't

really talked a whole lot about all of this stuff, we're not sitting around comparing notes. i don't think she was. she was probably tipsy. >> do you have a drinking problem? >> no. i don't think so. >> she talked about the number of times per week she does that, gets drunk while watching her children, she was the person who was in care of them at the time. the husband was at work so she was looking at her eight-year-old and six-year-old and ten month old and you heard her in her own words say she was drunk. bill: i remember a week ago police were crawling through the home and we were led to believe that the screen was pushed in from the outside and a light was on on the inside. >> many lights. >> and the front door was unlocked. >> right. bill: now did you get a chance to see all of 245 this -- all of that? >> i did. we went to the house, this interview took place at sort of an off site location, a safe house if you will where the family was staying or was for 245 day but we went to the wir win house and took a look at the surround

wrtion they say an intruder came through, they tell me, this is news, they believe the intruder came through the window. earlier they suggested the intruder may have come through the front door of the house, now they believe the intruder came through the window. there are inconsistencies we'll be discussing with what they said earlier but i'll give you a look at the actual scene, so watch it: >> this right here is the window into the computer room that the family believes the intruder came in through. they believe he pushed through this screen and went through the window. you can see down below that there's a little wood step, so if you wanted to get in, you could step up ton and you would be tall enough potentially to push through 24 ind -- this window and enter the house. they say the baby's room is through this computer room on the other side of the house. that's how they believed it happened, although the screen has been put back in place now, they say on the day in question or the night in question, it was pushed in slightly, they believe that the perpetrator then lifted it up and slid through for entry.

>> >> the other thing about that, i don't know if you can see that tape but there was a fence next to where the irwins live and there was a dog. >> right behind me there, you can see a tree, there's a fence, there's a dog, a loud, barking dog of the neighbors', who as soon as we went over came and ran and barked at us, the irwins had a dog, both dogs stay in the back, 24/7, and nobody heard barking. >> no one. >> no. >> there's a question about a mystery man, i don't know who that mystery man is, if it's a friend or neighbor and there's a question, too, about stolen cell phones. >> yeah, the mystery man is a homeless guy named jersey, who they took into custody on an unrelated warrant and police say originally they wanted to question him about this case but they are steering us off this guy as having to do anything with this case. the cell phones are interesting and important. the family claims they had three cell phones, his, hers, and a dead cell phone that were on the kitchen

counter that were stolen, when little lisa went missing as well. i asked them about those cell phones, they said that those phones were under restricted service and therefore could not make outgoing calls, which is -- this helps the family arguably because the police say that a call was made on one of those phones at 2:30 in the morning and that's one of the reasons they believe the mother is not telling the truth, she says she went to bed at 10:30, woke up at 4:00, who was making a call at 230 time. the family says and they can prove it, they hadn't paired their bill and weren't allowed to make outgoing bills so they say the police are not truthful because nobody would have been able to make an outgoing call. bill: it's an enormous mystery to so many in this country, trying figure out where this 11 month old girl is. >> if i can i want to tell our viewers at the top of our show at 1:00 we are going to make major news on a major inconsistence we with the family story, we're

also going to air their defense. you'll get both sides at 1:00. bill: 1:00 eastern time. thank you megyn, okay. the mostry continues. >> good to be back with you bill! a little dejavu all over again! >> bill: you like this room. >> i'm only having nice feelings here! bill: more of that to come. here's martha. martha: we'll take -- take care of that for you, megyn. this is a great story, very interesting one, and after spending 26 years in prison for a murder that he did not commit, a 52-year-old man had his big moment to step into the ring for the fight of his life. take a look: >> a victory punch, bringing the crowd to its feet, duie bazelle making his professional debut, beating larry hopkins at the staples

center, he was exonerated two years ago of the murder of an elderly woman back in 1977. wow! what a story that is. bull bill that's what you call a calm boc -- come back. >> that's a movie in the making right there. bill: we love you, bill! that's why we give you a hard time sometimes! bill: it is the number one priority for americans and now we are only minutes away from president obama's latest comments on the jobs crisis and what he plans to do about it. martha: and this tragic story this morning, gripping the racing world, the 15-car pileup crash that killed 2-time indy 500 winner dan wheldon, including some words from competitors and colleagues on the track: >> ask anybody in this field, if they could choose a way to go, that's the way. so i would have chosen this. >> one minute you're joking around with the drivers, then the next, dan is gone.

bill: a sick american engineer stranded. what doctors thought was a stroke, she is now safe in new zealand, region eh nicole desuir had to be flown out of the research station in antarctica after what doctors thought was a stroke in august, so that three-month, crews denying a rescue mission until now because of safety concerns over the weather. this is a time when that weather breaks and you can get a plane down there. she is resting confidentably at a hospital and will undergo treatment in new zealand. to her health, right? >> martha: all right. well, we have been covering this this morning, it was a horrifying crash at the lag vegas speedway and it stunned the crowd there, and sadly, killed two time indy 500 winner dan wheldon, meanwhile audiences at home watch all of this play out. it was like a nightmare really that unfoldeld on

live -- unfolded over live television. >> in front of him, oh, here he goes, in a huge crash. >> no, no no,! >> oh, multiple cars involved! >> oh, my! it looks like dan wheldon may be involved in it. martha: you can tell from their reaction, this was no ordinary crackup on this course, it was 15 cars that were involved, that's a picture of dan wheldon, he was 33 years old, he was the recent dad of two very young children, and he truly became one of indy racing's rock stars in recent years, with his come from behind win at indianpolis this year and he was literally at this moment in his life on top of the world. >> this year is kind of really -- has really broadened the scope of my career. i'm very proud of that. i definitely want to be in

the race in a couple of times in 2012. i think with everything that's gone on this year, it's given me great momentum for 2012 and that's what i'm most excited about. martha: that's dan wheldon speaking about his success earlier this year, and just a total tragedy for everybody who was watching this and who loved him and loves the sport. i'll joined now by one of those people, dutch mandel is editorial director and associate publisher at auto week. welcome, an our thoughts are with you and everybody who is just so involved in this sport this morning. >> wecialtion it's a tragic day, indeed, and it was for his immediate family, obviously, but also, the extended family of racers who obviously were shaken by the moment. martha: you know, i want to pull up a quote from what we have here, and i want to you about the changes that have happened in racing in recent history. because he indicated -- can we pull that clip? it's coming up right now.

he indicated that he was concerned, that he had concerns early on in the race, so let's take a look at that. there it is. within five laps, he says, people started to do crazy stuff, and wanted no part of it. i love hard racing, but that to me is not what it's about. i said before, this is not a suitable track, you can't get away from anybody. one small mistake and you have a massive wreck, and that is indeed what happened. what do you think about his comment? >> i think dario brings a different perspective, obviously, than what many of us can bring. he is used to traveling at 225 miles an hour. we have to remember that this was the first time that the ind yeah cars raced at this track, they raced 34 cars, which was one more than they have at indianpolis, at speeds of 225 miles an hour, within inches of each other. i think that once you get into that heated moment,

less than cooler heads prevail sometimes, but it is racing and it's the reason why they're in this business. they love the competition, they love the racing, and it doesn't take much, as we saw, to cause a horrendous accident an an accident that i might add that if it were 15 years ago would have been far worse. far worse than what we saw. martha: why is that? >> well, because of the advancements of the safety technology. i mean, if you take a look at what happened, and we've seen it far too many times, that one person lost his life was an astounding feat. no one should lose their lives, obviously, but this is racing and it does happen. there was a time not long ago in our racing past when we would lose three, four, six people a year to racing accidents, and the advancements and the racing technology and safety technology and safety crews that are there has helped to minimize that considerably. martha: you know, what are you hearing that -- let's go

to back -- go back to what dario said, he said there was crazy stuff happening, i love hard racing. as you point out, these are people used to going 225 miles an hour so when he says that, that sort of grabs your attention. what do you think he was talking about? >> i don't know, and i haven't spoken to dario, and i think that because the track is 1 1/2 mile oval, which is a mile smaller than indianpolis, at speeds similar to what indianpolis is doing, with an additional car added to that, with extraordinary downforce that allows the cars to go even faster, that maybe he had a different perspective than did others. there are some tracks that drivers can think are safer. now, it you took a look at that track, they have employed all of the latest safety technologies, the safer barrier up there but only dario can speak to what he was saying. you know, if the field had

been 22 instead of 34, would it have been safer, i don't know. martha: i guess we'll always wonder. and perhaps we'll see if they make any changes when they go forward on this track and in these races. dutch, thank you very much for being with us today. it's a sad day i know for all of the fans and all of you involved in the indy community. thank you, sir, good to talk to you today. >> thank you. bill: big dangerous risky business. we looked at that tape over and over today. there were at least three of those cars on that track that went airborne, his was one of them. martha: incredible. bill: on that second turn. martha: you get used to seeing these crashes and the stories we always report is how amazing it is they walk out of it. bill: they take off their helmet and off they walk. martha: it's almost like they're inside an iron cage but at those speeds and in this case and obviously, different circumstances that were involved here, it makes one pause and certainly, our hearts go out to his family. very tough situation. bill: in the meantime, jon scott is with us now.

vacation last week, right? >> jon: vacation is over, bill. bill: welcome backings we missed you. jon: good to be back in the saddle, thank you bill. some big stories we're covering, "happening now", new trouble from pakistan for our troops serving across the border from afghanistan. also, a threat from iran, directed at the united states. we'll talk about that. plus, 100 u.s. troops headed to central africa. is that a good idea? and ten years after the anthrax attacks on the u.s., are we safer? also, bret baier and karl rove join us to talk about the surge of herman cain, and why some folks are saying mitt romney just can't close the deal with republican voters. we'll see you in a few minutes. bill: double time for you today, scott. see you jon. she disappeared over the summer while on vacation in aruba, she's not been seen since. why the american man in police custody says he should walk free.

martha: here comes a live shot, here is the president on a beautiful day in fletch e. north carolina -- fletcher, north carolina trying fire up the crowd. he's going go to virginia. clearly, north carolina and virginia are states that the president must win if he wants to be re elected and they are states they think may be on the bubble for him at this point so he's spending time there, also talking about the jobs bill of course which he wants very much to pass. doesn't look very positive in that regard right now, so he's out there, trying to make it happen. bill: nice day. martha: beautiful, absolutely. bill: the man being held in connection with the disappearance of an american woman in aruba wants a judge to let him go free, robin gardner disappeared while on vacation, the man she was with has been in jail ever since and still, no charges. phil keating is live on this story from miami today.

gary giordano is back, he's changed his lead attorney. how significant, bill? >> reporter: certainly of interest. it either means that gary giordano is running out of funds and his private attorney has been let go, he's now represented by chris laschway, this happened over the weekend, he's with aruba's public defender's office but it could also a strategic change for gary giordano oavment keep in mind he's been locked up for 70 straight days and three previous detention hearings, he has lost, michael lopez has failed to convince a judge to set him free. however one of the things lopez did last week was file this motion to have him released right now. he's scheduled, gary giordano oarks to have another detention hearing on october 31st, that will be the end of his current 60-day detention. at that point, the prosecutor is expected to ask for an additional 30 day extension, if not, in fact, filing some sort of charges get. the exact charge, we don't

know. bill: we're trying to go through the evidence and it's scant at the moment. but there's been a witness that came forward -- is that story valid, has it checked out, phil? >> >> reporter: taco stein, the lead prosecutor for aruba, told me friday over the phone that's absolutely not true, there is no witness that has come forward that saw them fighting in their rental car, so what we do know is that on august 2nd, the last place they were seen and scraptured -- captured on surveillance videotape was this dive shop and restaurant down by baby beach and gary giordano had a two-hour window between when she was last seen and we reported her disappearance to the cops. he says she disappeared while snorkeling. no body hoos been found. bill: fel keating, live out of miami, we'll see what happens in court today. here's martha. martha: it's hard to believe but october 2011 marks ten years since that slew of frightening anthrax attacks

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