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debate. there were eight on stage. jon huntsman sat out and you saw people taking off the gloves yesterday and it seemed like a moderator unwilling to break them up. >> anderson cooper missing in action. he really didn't act as much of a moderator. when they really got going, you didn't hear from him. in particular, herman cain got his share of getting beat up. >> right away. right off the top. >> right off the top. that was the first topic and mitt romney as well, his health care plan but the give and take between perry and romney seemed so bitter and so personal, here's a little bit. >> i don't think we have the sound ready quite yet. one of the big lines -- first of all, newly assertive rick perry is what i would say, he came out fighting. rick santorum got into it with mitt romney. they attacked him for his health care plan and brought up the fact that his advisors had met with the white house to basically give them the ground rules of what they did in massachusetts which would not be helpful to mitt romney and there's newt gingrich. he stayed above the fry and at the end of the debate, he said

there's something to be said for not bickering amongst ourselves here and he got applause for that. >> how rick perry got from what are you going to do ensure that 20,000 uninsured in texas to hey, mitt, you used illegal immigrants to mow your lawn, i don't know. let's relive some of it. >> the fact is we have a huge number of illegals that are coming into this country and they're coming into this country because the federal government has failed to secure that border. but they're coming here because there is a magnet. and the magnet is called jobs and those people that hire illegals ought to be penalized and mitt, you lose all of your standing from my perspective because you hired illegals in your home and you knew about it for a year and the idea that you stand before us and talk about that you're strong on immigration is on its face of hypocrisy. >> governor romney? >> rick, i don't think that

i've ever hired an illegal in my life. i'm looking forward to finding your facts on that because that just doesn't -- >> i know what the facts are. you had the -- >> i'm speaking. i'm speaking. you get 30 seconds. time for you to -- that's the way the rules are. i get 60 seconds. >> no, but the mayor -->> get 30 seconds to respond. >> anderson? >> would you please wait? >> are you just going to keep talking or finish with what i'm just saying? >> look, rick. >> follow the rules. >> tough couple of debates for rick, and i understand that and so you're going to get -- you're going to get testy. >> you sit here in front of the american people and did not tell the truth that you had illegals working on your property and the newspaper came to you and brought it to your attention and you still a year later had those individuals working for you. >> op ed in the newspaper saying you're open to amnesty. that's number one.

number two, we hired a lawn company to mow our lawn and they had illegalism gran immigrants e working there. when that was pointed out to us -- >> can you go -- >> you a problem to allow finish spe people speaking. if you want to become president of the united states, you have to let both people speak. >> it's obvious that rick perry's people has told him he's got to come out swinging and bring back that old story that was debated in 2008. i mean, it's amazing that he was actually bringing that back up but you got to figure that he's going for broke right now. >> mr. las vegas himself wayne newton was in front row and according to the las vegas sun, he talked to the newspaper last night, he said that rick santorum took some clean shots at romney but the shots that mr. perry took at romney were dirty, according to mr. las vegas. >> i thought it was a

nonsequitor. you didn't know it was going to be rick santorum and you didn't know it was going to be newt gingrich and rick pry at once. you knew that herman cain would get hit by 999. they did it in a respectful way. it was interesting to see herman cain not get defensive when defending it. i'm shocked that we bring up the people that he hired to mow his lawn. why is that so serious? >> it's coming back to rick perry has to pull out all the stops. he's down in the polls. latest at 6%. he's fallen off a cliff in the poelt polls. he's got to attack the frontrunner right now. big thing is who is going to create jobs? that's what the election is going to come down to. who is going to create jobs? rick perry has a good record in texas. they went at it again over that. >> if you want to know how someone is going to act in the future look how they act in the past so mitt, while you were the governor of massachusetts in

that period of time, you were 47th in the nation in jobs creation. during that same period of time, we created 20 times more jobs. as a matter of fact, you've created 40,000 jobs total in your four years. last two months, we created more jobs than that in texas. >> i'm proud of the fact that actually during the four years we were both governors, my unemployment rate in massachusetts was lower than your unemployment rate in texas. that's number one. number two, getting it down to 4.7%, i'm pretty happy with. we worked very hard to balance our budget. did every year. put in place the rainy day fund of $2 billion by the time i was finished and i'll tell you this, the american people would be happy for an individual who can lead the country who has created jobs, not just watching them get created by others but someone who knows how the economy works because he's been in it. >> and that was mitt romney letting everybody know he does have the background and now he's leaning heavily on his private sector experience and governor perry doesn't seem to have it. now, i thought it was interesting to see how they went after romneycare in saying he was the precursor to obamacare

and they went back and forth on that. the only time i saw newt gingrich flumux in the last seven debates is on that issue. he said no, i wasn't, it was the heritage foundation. you supported the heritage foundation. that's right. you got me. >> newt who has been very pleasant, noncfrfrontational to the other people on stage throughout the debates, last night, he -- you could tell that he was a little steamed at that interchange and in fact, on his last opportunity to do some soundbiting, he said this. calling out the -- >> let me point out for a second that bickering is probably not the road to the white house. and the technique you've used, maximizes going back and forth over and over again. >> that's right. >> anderson cooper. >> ronald reagan's 11th commandment, thou shall not attack fellow republicans, certainly was not held with any regard last night. and you got to figure the people at the white house are going yeah, more of that, because the

more the republicans bicker, the more people forget about the state we're in. >> there's a counterargument to that and ralph reed was one of the people, a political strategist who said that hillary clinton and barack obama going at it tooth and nail for seven months was a huge thing for the democratic party. it's something they wanted to mirror on the republican side. and so far, they got it. >> yeah, i'm -- it's still out for me on whether or not i think it's -- i think it energizes people to want to watch more of the debates because they want to hear what the candidates have to say and they like it when they get away from their talking points so you can see what their true feelings really are about some of the issues. and their personalities. i mean, they always say that you show your true personality on the golf course. maybe you show your true personality during a debate, too, and sometimes people want to see that. >> why did you have to bring the golf course up? >> what do you think out there? do you think the bickering was helpful or hurtful to the candidates? e-mail us, friends at foxnews.com or twitter us as well. >> now your headlines for a wednesday. we begin with a fox news alert.

the owner of a private zoo is dead and animals are on the loose right now. swat teams have killed 25 animals so far. >> these are wild animals. wild animals that you would see on tv. in africa. there were cheetahs, there were lions and there were tigers. those are the primary things that we would be concerned with. any kind of a cat species and any kind of bear species right now is what we're mainly concerned about. >> wow. some school districts in the area canceled classes today. police urging everyone to stay inside in that area. the 62-year-old owner of the farm, no stranger to the law. he's been fined for animal abuse and neglect and was recently released from prison after doing time on federal weapons charges. no word yet on how he died. we'll have a live report coming up very soon. a different kind of turbulence on a southwest flight. a passenger screaming obscenities and confronting the

crew. an airline spokesperson says a 29-year-old was yelling at passengers and then turned on the crew during a flight from l.a. to kansas city. the crew made an emergency landing in texas where the f.b.i. took him into custody. no one was hurt. new developments in the case of missing baby lisa irwin. police were search her parents' home for a second time this morning. this time without their permission. authorities say deborah bradley and jeremy irwin are no longer cooperating with the investigation. they've reportedly been told to stay away from their home until police are done with their search. yesterday, a customer reported seeing a baby that looked like lisa at a deli in kansas. it turned out, though, to be a false alarm. sad news about one of the greatest writers in radio, legendary poet and journalist norman corwin passed away at the age of 101. millions of americans tuned in week after week to hear his views on world war ii. his biggest triumph, a poem he wrote marking the end of the war in 1945.

>> they gave up. the rat is dead in an alley. take a bow, g.i., take a bow, little guy. the superman of tomorrow lies at the feet of you common men of this afternoon. >> corwin continued writing for radio, television and film throughout his life. he died of natural causes and those are your headlines this morning. >> all right. straight ahead on this wednesday morning, israel to swap one soldier for hundreds of suspected terrorists. up next, someone with a perspective you won't hear anywhere else. the son of a top hamas terror leader who was released in a similar trade. >> then something will be missing from your next cup of coffee. one of the biggest coffee chains in the country making a major change. >> they're not at a coffeemate, are they? >> i think they are. the employee of the month isss...

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>> an israeli soldier held captive for five years is exchanged for thousands of violent palestinian prisoners including 280 that have life sentences. did the historic prisoner swap set a dangerous precedence? joining us right now, the founder of the son of hamas founder and the author of the son of hamas, a gripping account of political betrayal. you worked for the israelis for years when you realized the way of hamas was not the way in which you could live, correct? >> correct. >> what is your reaction to the release of this israeli officer for the release of 1,027 palestinians. 500 in two months. >> from a humanitarian point of view, i am happy that a soldier is back to his family.

on the personal level, i'm very sad to see my father celebrating with mahmoud abbas and other palestinian leaders the release of 1,000 terrorists. as an ex-agent, i feel very sad that we worked very hard to put those guys behind bars and now we have to pay this very painful price to bring the soldier back to his family. >> i'm hearing quotes now coming out of the hamas during the celebrations of we have to kidnap more soldiers and get more prisoners out. what kind of message is this? >> exactly, you know, unfortunately, this is a victory for the forces of darkness in the middle east today and this is a victory for hamas, violent strategy against israeli. now, hamas is concerniproving t members that we can achieve our goals by using force and this will have consequences in the near future. >> right.

and let's talk, too, about the chances of these 1,027 eventually going back to terror, the stats say 60% will go back to the lives that got them in prison to begin with which is killing. >> i doubt that because many of them spend long time behind bars and the -- most are in gaza strip, not in the west bank. so israel did not have a big problem of releasing a couple of hundred dangerous terrorists to add to the long list of 15,000 terrorists of hamas military wing in gaza strip. the real danger in this situation is the victory of hamas ideology and the violent strategy. >> which you fought against and risked your life for and put your dad in prison to do. now, the role of egypt in this. we know in a baffling way, they actually sat this corporal down for an interview right after

with hamas cards right behind him. what was egypt's role? >> egypt is trying to prove to the arab nation that it's taken the side of the palestinians at this moment because of the unrest in egypt and israel understands these circumstances. there is lots of changes in egypt, in jordan, in syria, and israel had no choice but to bring the soldier back to his family because israel has a bad experience with the case that they never have been able to bring him back home. so israel had to pay this very painful price. there was no other choice. it had to choose between bad and worse, not between bad and good. and i'm glad that the soldier is back and this is -- i need to send a message to my father and other hamas leaders that the

people are not going to tolerate hamas violent strategies. if they think this is a victory, they're mistaken. if they keep using violence, they will have to deal with the consequences. >> right. and that, of course, was your dad that was in the spot shadow who just got out this summer who had spent years in jail, a lot because you were working for israel to stop countless suicide bombers and other attacks for years and put your own life in danger and wrote about it in "son of hamas." mosab, thanks so much. >> thank you, brian. >> also, if you look at the difference in which they were held, look at the condition of the corporal, he weighs about 110 pounds and hasn't seen light in five years and look at the condition of the prisoners. they look very fit and as if they've been working out in prison. meanwhile, straight ahead, the ultimate face-off. a mountain lion vs. an ordinary house cat. then maybe they aren't so grassroots at all, turns out

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tastes bitter and burned. starbucks tried 80 blends before choosing the new one. i'm going to save $90 and try it myself. gretch? >> over a month into the protests at wall street, it looks like the movement has official sponsors now. take a look at these ads supporting occupy wall street on google's search pages bought by one of the biggest labor unions, the afl-cio. this even as a new "usa today" poll finds most americans blame washington more than wall street for the current state of the economy. and stuart varney is here right now to analyze it. good morning, stu. >> analyze this, right? >> analyze that. all right, so you have the afl-cio getting involved. we knew they were involved a couple much weeks ago as far as putting protesters on the scene but now they're actually putting money into it. >> look, it's a direct link. you go to google, look for occupy wall street, click on the

ads that appear next to whatever you come with and the afl-cio is paying google, i think it's $0.10 for every time you click on to one of these ads and if you click on to the ads, you're invited to donate to occupy wall street or sign a petition in support of them. it's brought in a lot of money. "the boston globe" this morning is reporting so far, they've brought in $435,000 from all sources to occupy wall street. they're spending $1500 a day on food. $2,000 on laundry so far and $20,000 on equipment like cameras. that's what they've spent so far. >> aren't they going to have to pay tax on that? >> good question. 999 tax, i don't know. but look, what you've got here is a direct link between big labor and occupy wall street. and then you have a direct link between the democrats and especially president obama to occupy wall street. and as you saw there from that

poll that you were quoting, the poll of the protesters, this is a very dangerous game for labor and the administration to be playing. because you put yourselves firmly on the side of the extreme left. doug shone's poll shows indeed they are way out there on the left. >> one of the stats that he quotes in his article in the "wall street journal" is 30% of the 200 that he polled believe that violence might be a good idea. >> violence is justified, according to 30% of the people polled on those demonstrations. and 2 out of 3 believe that your pension, health care and education should be completely free for everybody no matter what the cost. >> one other particular statistic from him is the fact that while a majority of those at occupy wall street supported president barack obama in voting for him in 2008, a majority of them, i think 51% don't like him. don't want him to have four more

years with the keys to camp david. >> where does the president go now? he's out campaigning on his bus tour. >> it is not a campaign. it's not a presidential campaign. >> it's not a canadian bus. ok. he's wrapped his arms around a far left group that may or may not support them. >> he said yesterday, we're on their side. >> the way he's deflecting it is equate it to the tea party. >> how you can link occupy wall street, that movement of people who have trashed a public space with the tea party people who are a genuine grassroots movement all over the country, i just don't see the -- >> i don't remember anyone from the tea party defecating to a cop car. >> the behavior they're expressing, nothing to do with the tea party at all. direct opposite of the tea party. >> watch you today on the fox business network. >> you got me going already. >> that's our point. we got to get you -- you have three hours until your show.

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>> welcome back, everybody. >> i was expecting some video. >> you were? >> why would you think that? >> it was supposed to be right here. >> oh, yeah. oh, my goodness! >> this is so scary. this is a jib jab video. it is true. the word is out. steve doocy turns 27 today. >> i'm 70. >> you are not. >> steve, happy birthday! >> happy birthday and now a

surprise. >> thanks to the jib jab guys, you keep walking. >> thank you very much. oh, my favorite! is that a cheesecake? >> where we get that cheesecake from? >> how about a spoon? >> that's carnegie deli. you got more grub? >> right. this is the doocy from carnegie deli. look at this, lots of tongue. there you go. >> check out those sandwiches. >> it licks you back. >> what? >> all right. steve, this is a -- >> breakfast is on me! >> that legendary institution has decided that your birthday is just too big to pass up. >> wow. >> how do you -- >> look at the sandwiches. you have to cut that thing in quarters to get that in your mouth. >> what does this sandwich consist of? do we know? >> that's a lot of turkey. >> here's some pa strstrami for. >> did they name that after me? >> it's named the doocy. >> i see a lot of meat there. >> it's all meat, steve. >> i'm going to go for the -- >> that's pastrami.

>> there's a pound of meat on every sandwich. >> this looks like corned beef. >> my favorite carnegie deli sandwich is the corned beef and pastrami sandwich which is woody allen over there. >> one of those is on that plate over there. >> fantastic. thank you very much. >> steve, here you go. there's your lunch and there's your dessert and it's only 6:30 eastern time. a.m. so it's just fantastic. >> that's very nice. >> what are you doing for your birthday? >> what are we doing for my birthday? my wife will take me out to supper tonight and we'll go down to florida over the weekend to celebrate. >> here's a hint, mrs. doocy, he's full. >> he'll be a cheap date. >> which you normally are. >> thank you very much for noticing. >> yes. >> steve, can you keep the tears inside, keep the emotions in check and go on with the show knowing that this is the celebration of your birth and we have all this free stuff for you? >> thank you. that's what gets to me. because i'm thrifty.

>> free. >> i've already received a whole bunch of e-mails from folks on my twitter and my what not. thank you very much for -- people were sending me best wishes at midnight. >> wow. >> i know. >> they were up drinking. >> congratulations, steve. >> thank you. >> which you'll be doing tonight. hopefully you'll be able to make it in tomorrow after the heavy partying tonight. >> oh, yeah. >> good thing that the debate is not on tonight because you'd be out and miss it. it was on last night and we wanted to show you in case you're getting up now, we showed you some clips earlier in the show but now let's take a look at how the candidates fared against one another when they were talking about defense and the possible cutting of defense. listen to this. >> how does it help us to keep troops in korea all these years? why are we in japan? why do we subsidize germany? we pay for it. we're broke! >> now with the president, he put us in libya. he is now putting us in africa.

we already were stretched too thin and he put our special operations forces in africa. >> ok, it's on the table. >> it's on the table but we cannot cut it by $500 billion. we can't do that to our brave men and women who are the ground fighting for us. >> the idea that we have a bunch of historically illiterate politicians who have no sophistication about national security trying to make a numerical decision about the size of the defense budget tells you everything you need to know about the bankruptcy the current elite in this country in both parties. i helped found the military reform caucus. i'm a hawk but i'm a cheap hawk. the fact is to say i'm going to put the security of the united states up against some arbitrary budget number is suicidally stupid. >> and he's talking, of course, about the super committee and if they don't come to some sort of conclusions on $1.5 trillion in cuts by november 23rd, right before thanksgiving, the automatic cuts will hit the pentagon. >> five weeks until they have to

do this. they have to come up with a conclusion. and evidently, they've made almost no progress. and one of the biggest time wasteers, senator john kerry. evidently, he makes speech after speech in aspirational tones where people's eyes glaze over. >> one of the things that a lot of people talked about last night, herman cain's 999 plan. there's a story out this morning, i just saw it on national review on line in their corner blog, it says that steven moore, "the wall street journal" guy who is on this program a lot and on the channel a lot, he helped herman cain with his plan. he realizing now that the 9% sales tax is a nonstarter. what steven moore is suggesting to the cain camp is change that 9% national sales tax to a 9% payroll tax. it would still be lower than what we're paying now. and then you wouldn't have to worry about the national sales tax and we saw all the candidates pile on mr. cain last night on that. will he change his plan? stand by. >> very interesting.

then he might be accused of flip-flopping but if it's for the better, he might do it. >> he's a bold guy. it would be a bold admission that politically that's not going to work is i'm going to change. that's what people want, somebody who can be flexible. >> i'd like you to boldly do what you haven't done in 30 minutes, read the headlines. >> i'll kick it off for us. police in maryland believe they've found the remains of a missing 11-year-old boy. the body believed to be that of william mclean was found in a wooded area. he was last seen two weeks ago. police began searching for the boy after they found his mother beaten and stabbed to death in their germantown home in maryland. people who knew the family are shocked by the news. >> this is breaking my heart, it's breaking my kids -- my kids have done nothing but cry. i took them out of school early today. they're broken. they can't deal right now. neither can i. >> mcquain's stepfather is the prime suspect. he's charged with the murder of his mother. >> meanwhile, the victims who were held prisoner in a philly basement dungeon are speaking out against their captors.

listen. >> real dirty, that was gross. >> man, four mentally challenged people were chained in that basement and beaten. three people are accused of holding them captive to steal their social security checks. the victims were moved around the country over the past year from texas to florida to philly. they tried to escape several times. they were not found until -- >> you were afraid of her? >> i was. >> i don't blame him. now we're learning one of the victims was reported missing and officials discovered his checks were going to the suspect's house. officials reportedly went to the home but didn't find the suspects in the basement and there's another twist, a 15-year-old girl was found at the house but she was not a prisoner. bonita rodriguez has been missing from florida since july. she is friends with the son of one of the suspects. and the suspected ringleader, linda ann weston being held on

$2 1/2 million bail. >> all right, a chilling 911 call between a new jersey man accused of killing his co-worker and a state dispatcher, they've been released. >> i just killed someone. >> what do you mean you just killed someone? >> exactly what i said, i'm armed and dangerous. you know what? i'm armed, i'm dangerous, send the cops out. i'm in a parking lot. i can see from every angle, i will shoot at anyone who approaches the car. >> police say 39-year-old leonardo pererra walked into a mountain links realty office friday night where he shot and killed his colleague. he then called 911. when police arrived, he began firing shots. officers fired back killing him. >> call them kitten cousins. you're looking at a house cat coming face to face with a mountain lion. it happened in boulder, colorado, staring each other down through a sliding glass

door. the mountain lion moved on to a statue of the mountain lion in the family's lawn before retreating back to the woods. that's a totally different story than another one we've been telling you about in ohio where dozens of wild animals are on the loose right now. we're awaiting a press conference from there right now and bring it to you shortly when it happens. time do a little weather. >> yep, let's take a look at the map on this wet wednesday through the eastern third of the united states. all the way from new england to the mid atlantic portions of dixie land, we have heavy stuff as you can see along the mid atlantic and over night in portions of florida. heavy stuff looks like it's over the commonwealth of virginia. current temperatures as you head out the door, it's freezing right now in rapid city, south dakota. 40's for the most part from the northern plains to the mid-mississippi valley and then you have some 40's down in texas as well. currently, it is 77 in tampa. later on today, the daytime highs look something like this.

77 in raleigh. about the same for tampa. temperatures in the 50's across much of dixie land. 60's and 70's in texas. out west, if you're in phoenix, arizona, it looks like the high temperature there today will be 96. that's a look at the fox travelcast on my birthday and i was just noticing, the doocy from the carnegie deli, i'm on white bread? >> yes, you are, steve. >> my favorite. >> it's wonderbread. >> huh? >> there's no rye in you. >> all right. coming up on the show, her efforts to create a better afghanistan inspired a covert war and inspired the movie "charlie wilson's war." >> i have been passionately involved with the cause of the afghan since the day the communists marched in. >> the woman behind that role, joanne king herring here live with us next. >> a side of johnny cash you have never seen before. his son john carter cash here with what he's uncovered from his parents' past.

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olympics which i think you'll agree was an impotent response to the greatest national security threat. >> two decades later, she's still fighting for peace in afghanistan and thinks she has the answer to defeat the taliban. joining me the author of the new book "diplomacy and diamonds, my wars from the ballroom to the battlefields" joanne herring and i must say in person, julia roberts did a good job looking just like you. >> thank you, gretchen, i think she was wonderful! >> now, you have been active in the fight in afghanistan for so long. back to the early 1980's. what do you make of the situation when you look at it now? >> well, i think there's a lot of hope and that's not talked about. everybody talks about how bad it is. but really, there's a lot of hope and what is happening now is great but the problem is that the afghans have been at war for 30 years and they've lost their strength and gretchen, nobody wants to talk about it. everybody's eyes glaze when i start talking about afghanistan

but we can fix it. >> you have a program called the marshall plan charities that you started in 2009. you said what we need to do when the troops leave to make sure they're self-sufficient is provide five things. food, water, education, jobs and health care. how do you plan about going about doing that? >> by using nonprofit organizations. and see, this is not a dream. these nonprofits have been doing this very successfully for about five to seven to 10 years. but they're not funded. and by the virtue of their name, nonprofit, they can do it cheaper, better and faster than anybody else. and they don't -- gretchen, they don't need much. that's the thing. we're in the process of planting soybeans, we clean up the water and the babies who are dying suddenly have less of a death rate than los angeles just from clean water and the children

want to learn and we can have the soldier ready in six months to fight because right now, 90% of them can't read and write so they can't read a manual. and they can't even read a street sign. >> right. real quickly, aside from your whole efforts in afghanistan, you're also a rick perry supporter being from texas. >> well, of course! >> how do you think he's done so far? >> well, you know, if he just depends on a debater, you might end up with the aflack duck. >> more than just doing well at the debates. >> what matters is don't speak of love, show me. for the last four years, 40% of the jobs created in the united states are in texas. and last year, california lost more jobs than we made. that has to mean something. >> all right. great to meet you in person. joanne king herring, has a new book out "diplomacy and diamonds" aptly titled. good to meet you. >> thank you.

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>> he is known simply as the man in black. now, johnny cash fans are getting a behind-the-scenes look at the music legend. take a look at some of this never-before-seen home video. >> ♪ there will be peace in the valley for me some day ♪ ♪ peace in the valley ♪ for me ♪ dear lord i pray >> that footage and other

personal items from johnny cash are being released as part of the new book called "the house of cash". joining us right now is the author and son of june carter and johnny cash, john carter cash. good morning to you. >> thank you for having me. good early morning. >> it is a little early. >> that's fine. >> so now if your dad hadn't gone into music, would there be a possibility he might have wound up on the food network? >> i don't know. he loved to cook. he made some great stuff and i talk about that in the book, he was a cooker of wonderful chili. >> is that right? >> that was his favorite thing to cook. >> as we look at the book, there's all sorts of letters and pictures that nobody has ever seen before. >> yes. >> pop-out things. >> that's his sketches, you know, that are in there. and, you know, he was, of course, a wonderful artist and everyone knows a great, you know, music artist. there's more beyond that. he was a painter. he was a photographer. and as you said, he was a cook. >> was he a bit of a pack rat,

too? he saved everything and kept it in a storage vault. >> he and my mother both through all the years on the road when they received an item from someone, they would keep it. of course, there were enumerable tape recordings of all different formats and an amazing amount of stuff that they stored in their vaults over the years. when they passed away, it it became necessary to go through these things and figure out, you know, what was the treasure and what was trash so some of those great treasures i felt like it was important to share with the world. that's what the book is about. >> it's a beautiful book. and it also reflects your father. your father, a complicated guy. >> yeah, he was. >> a tortured man. a lot of people don't realize that his brother jack was killed in a mill accident at 14. it really affected the rest of his life. >> yeah. well, i think, you know, that darkness is real about my dad. however, i believe there is a common conception of my father that is a little misunderstood.

i think there's a whole lot more to the man that people don't know and i felt it important to share that with the world. you know, my father's deep spiritual nature. how gentle he was as a father and as a husband. >> sure. >> and, you know, there's a lot about that in this book. it's, you know, and he tells it in his own pen. >> you can tell it from your point of view because to you he was a great dad. >> yeah, he was. he was. and i remember him as such and i miss my father every day but for the blessing of the fact that he's such a wonderful entertainer and i still get to see him every day. >> that's right. the great thing about videotape and audio tape, you can hear him. >> uh-huh. >> whenever you want to. >> yeah, most definitely. >> it is a great book. beautiful book as well called "house of cash, the legacies of my father johnny cash" by john carter cash. >> thank you for having me on the show. >> very nice. straight ahead, they lied about their military service but may never go to jail. does faking a military record count as freedom of speech? peter johnson will tell you

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>> good morning, everyone. you made it to the middle of the week. tuesday night fights, vegas becomes center stage for the latest g.o.p. debate and tempers, they were a flaring. >> rick, again -- >> rick, i'm speaking. >> rick, i'm speaking. i'm speaking. >> the newspaper -- it's time for you to be up front that you hired illegals working at your -- >> are you done talking? are you going to let me finish with what i have to say? >> how did the fights sit with the voters? former white house press secretary dana perino here with her analysis. >> i wonder if that will work with ahmadinejad? grizzlies, lions and tigers on the loose right now after escaping from a guy's animal farm. yes, the guy's animal farm.

police calling on jack hanna to help. he'll be here live this hour. >> and they're living in tents but eating like kings. they're dining on salmon cakes and organic chicken while the rest of america looks for work. that's what's actually on the menu down there. we'll tell you about that and so much more. hour two of "fox & friends" for a wet wednesday starts right now. >> live from studio e, listen, we knew that the carnegie deli people brought cheesecake and a little platter for my birthday. they have got the biggest spread out there. gigantic buffet, something for everybody. >> because there's talk that you've gone meatless and you say that's been overblown. it got us shrimp salad and tuna so i like the fact that you went meatless. >> thank you. all right. let's do your headlines, shall

we, we have a fox alert now, this bizarre story coming out of ohio. the owner of a private zoo is dead and dozens of his wild and dangerous animals including lions, tigers and wolves on the loose right now. police found cage doors open at the farm near zanesville, ohio. moments ago, the sheriff told us swat teams have shot and killed about 35 animals so far and wildlife expert jack hanna is on the scene. >> they brought some tranquilizer stuff here in case we needed that and in case we got into some populated areas where we needed to use that kind of stuff. they'll be on hand today. if we get something we can tranquilize, we'll be doing that. being there and offering advice for us. >> some school districts in the area have canceled classes today. not safe enough. police are urging everyone to stay inside. the 62-year-old owner of the farm no stranger to the law. he's been fined for animal abuse and neglect and recently released from prison after doing time on federal weapons charges. no word of how he died. >> what does it take to lose your farm? >> new developments in the case

of missing baby lisa irwin. police will search her parents' home for a second time this morning. this time, it will be without their permission. authorities say deborah bradley and jeremy irwin are no longer cooperating with the investigation. they're reportedly being told to stay away from their home until police are done with their search. yesterday, a customer reported seeing a baby that looked like lisa at a deli in kansas. it turned out to be a false alarm. a different kind of turbulence on a southwest flight. a passenger screaming obscenities and confronting the crew. an airline spokesperson says the 29-year-old was yelling at passengers and turned on the crew during a flight from l.a. to kansas city. the crew ended up making an emergency landing in texas where the f.b.i. took him into custody. no one was hurt. they're sleeping in the parks but they're eating like kings. the occupy wall street protesters being treated to fine dining, a different gourmet meal every night. "the new york post" reports that the five star dinners are prepared by a former sheridan

hotel chef, now volunteering his time working out of a soup kitchen in brooklyn. some of those items on the so-called menu after the name of the park there. salmon cakes with dill sauce, free range organic chicken and root vegetables and wild heirloom potato salad from peruvian purple and baby russ et potatoes. who is paying for all of this? all the food apparently has been donated. >> they got $450,000 worth of money, too. >> they're not a 5013c on that, they'd have to pay taxes oochl eye ate nothing like that last night, i have to say. >> you also didn't sleep in a tent. that's why you differ from the occupy wall street crowd. >> probably didn't sleep much anyway. you were up last night watching the wild, wild west. we have not seen the eks.

the stakes are getting a little higher and the first vote to be cast is only ore energy and people like to see a little bit of energy. i think, though, for in particular women who are watching when it gets -- when the aggression level gets quite high, then it's kind of a turnoff. >> for women. that's interesting, too, for independents overall that also is something that should be focused on but i'm wondering, for example, we're looking at the polls. i think it's herman cain and romney at the top. watching the debate, i think the romney and perry camp think it's one and two. why is it that perry looked like a frontrunner or treated like a frontrunner last night in how he was engaged? his experience and his presence, being a governor makes a difference. i noticed something last night. and i dealt with this in the deputy role of the white house

when we went through supreme court nominations. somebody who has a title always gets called speaker or governor. somebody who doesn't have a title like ceo of godfather's pizza gets called by his first name. and it's just a little bit of a thing where there's a little bit of respect that comes with having a title. congresswoman bachmann is congresswoman. senator santorum is a senator. then you herman cain. it doesn't necessarily matter but i noticed yesterday there's something about having that title that allows people then to give you a little bit more credence. >> that's very interesting because exactly why people like herman cain is because he's not a politician which is an interesting dichotomy there. i want to play this clip, though. this is where perry and rney really went after each other and i'm wondering when we get done watching this whether or not you would have advised governor rick perry to go after mitt romney on a 4-year-old or 5-year-old story that was debated during the last presidential election. watch this. >> the fact is we have a huge

number of illegals that are coming into this country and they're coming into this country because the federal government has failed to secure that border. but they're coming here because there is a magnet. and the magnet is called jobs. and those people that hire illegals ought to be penalized and mitt, you lose all of your standing from my perspective because you hired illegals in your home and you knew about it for a year and the idea that you stand here before us and talk about that you're strong on immigration is on its face the height of hypocrisy. governor romney? >> rick, i don't think that i've ever hired an illegal in my life so i'm afraid -- i'm looking forward to finding your facts on that because that -- >> i'll tell you what the facts are -- >> rick, again -- >> you've had the -- the newspaper, it's time for you to -->> get 30 seconds and that's the way the rules work here is i get 60 seconds. >> no, but the american people

-- >> you get 30 seconds to respond, right? >> anderson? >> you're saying -- >> you hire illegals workers at your -- >> can i finish talking? let me finish with what i have to say. look, rick, i -- >> follow the rules. >> this has been a tough couple of debates for rick and i understand that and so you're going to get testy. >> you stood here in front of the american people and did not tell the truth that you had illegals working on your property and the newspaper came to you and brought it to your attention and you still a year later had those individuals working for you. >> you wrote an op ed in the newspaper saying you're open t amnesty. that's number one, number two, we hired a lawn company to mow our lawn and they had illegal immigrants that were working there and when that was pointed out to us, we let them go and we went to them and said -- you have a problem with allowing someone to finish speaking. and i suggest that if you want to become president of the united states, you got to let both people speak. first, let me speak.

>> all right, so there was two minutes and two seconds of that exchange. they don't appear to like each other. >> i don't think that they dislike each other. >> they don't like each other. come on! >> my question is if you were advising governor perry, wld you have advised him to go after governor romney with a 5-year-old story. not with something that's as thin as that. there's plenty to go after governor romney on. take your pick. this one has already been dealt with. and then i think governor romney was smart to say ok, i'm going to explain this again for everybody out there. and you know what? he -- a lot of people could relate to that, to his answer. i thought when governor romney said you had a couple of bad debates, it's one of those momeís -- a little moment of levity but a little jab. >> what was happening while that exchange was happening. we were looking at each other. it's embarrassing. it's like your parents fighting in front of you. >> shrink under the table. that's why the audience ended up

booing. come on, we're here to have a debate. >> they weren't booing one particular candide. they were booing -- >> i don't think so. they were booing the process. >> i read in the las vegas paper this morning, because mitt romney won that state four years ago and he's invested the most time and treasure in getting them this time, he seemed have the support of the crowd. >> and he had the best answer to what was one of the only questions that was specific to the western states. i was excited because this is the western business round table. i wanted to hear more about issues that affect in particular -- >> you are a western girl. >> one of it came from the audience, it was about yucca mountain and what to do with it and i think governor romney partly because of experience and because he had nuclear power in massachusetts and knows the situation well, answered that in a way that people of nevada would feel comfortable with him as their president. >> because he essentially said that if you want to put our nuclear waste into the yucca caves at the yucca valley they should have a vote in that. >> there should be a vote and also other states if they want to compete for it where it could

be geologically safe, and they want to get the money for it -- >> monetize it. >> uh-huh. >> let's listen to another quick clip of the issue of israel and the palestinians. >> i would cut all foreign aid and treat everybody equally and fairly. and i don't think aid to israel actually helps them. i think it teaches them to be -- >> we should not cutting foreign aid to israel. israel is our greatest ally. biggest problem is the fact that the president of the -- the biggest problem with this administration and foreign policy is this president put daylight between the united states and israel. the united states has done well because we have an absolute policy. >> one, foreign aid. i realize it' a popular thing to say that we're going to cut it off. it's 1% of the federal budget. just 1%. maybe we should argue that we don't have 1% of the federal

budget. i've come from a different perspective. i've seen the good work that our aid does. it's good for our national security to do so so societies that are growing towards america and not islamic extremists, for example. then on israel, i think that we need to wait a little bit and understand better from prime minister netanyahu when they're ready to discuss why this happened. i easy for us to criticize from the united states to say how could you possibly let over 1,000 prisoners go for just this one soldier? well, % of the people of israel supported this move. and so i think that it'sasy for us to criticize but let's wait a little bit and i think we'll find out some more about the timing. there might be something else happening when it comes to discussions between the palestinians and the raise he wills -- israelis. >> that's interesting that you think it's just this. >> the timeing is 5:00 every day

eastern time during the weekdays. >> watch it for your birthday today? >> absolutely. why wouldn't i? before i go out and just -- are the discos still open? >> yes. >> just ask beckel, he knows where they all are. >> fox news alert. grizzlies and tigers on the loose. police hoping jack hanna can help. he's here live this hour with us to tell us what's going on. >> and they're wearing the medals but didn't serve a day. should fake war veterans go to jail or does freedom of speech give them the freedom to lie? peter johnson jr. is here. [ male announcer ] have you heard?

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>> welcome back, everyone. the stolen valor act was created

in 2005 to hold those who impersonate decorated military members accountable and actually give them jail time but now, the supreme court is reviewing the act to see if it's actually unconstitutional. let's ask fox news legal analyst peter johnson jr. what he thinks about the whole thing. >> good morning. this is a very sensitive topic because really in terms of our national history medal of honor recipients are so important, you talk about murphy and johnny balatone in 2002 going up to some of the medal of honor recipients we've heard recently like dakota meyer, these are people that deserve our suspect. but the issue becomes should we lose our first amendment rights in this country? and the supreme court is going to look at the stolen valor act which says if you lie about your military service, if you lie and say you got a medal of honor or purple heart and wounded in the

battle, like my father who was wounded in iwo jima, his birthday is today. happy birthday to him. you can face jail and fines and community service. the circuit court in california said it's not constitutional. it's a violation of your first amendment rights because people do lie in society. and so the logic is if you can be put in jail for lying about your military service, can you be put in jail for lying on your facebook? for lying to match.com, for lying about whether you voted. for lying about what your qualifications for in an election as the man that was prosecuted here was. >> let me ask you this. i can think of two politicians in my mind who also lied about their service. maybe not about receiving medals of honor or the purple heart but how did this act read? was it only if you lied about receiving medals or if you actually lied about your service? >> falsely represents himself to have been decorated in the united states. >> so if you just said that i

served in vietnam and you didn't, you would not have been prosecuted under this law. >> right. but -- and the fellow who was prosecuted in this case had a whole series of lies. he said that he had rescued the american ambassador in iran, that he had been part of a rescue in vietnam as a helicopter pilot, that he had been shot multiple times. i mean, there was a whole series of lies. and according to the circuit court decision was, perhaps, trying to hold himself out as the so-called psycho who had been wounded in battle and was acting as a result. >> you don't think that's a great idea to do that lying. >> it's a horrible thing but it's a slippery slope when the government can start to regulate our speech. let's honor our medal of honor recipients and honor our purple heart recipients but i think their legacy would say don't put these other kind of sick in the head people away in jail. >> we'll see what the supreme

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>> sad news this morning is the housing market is still on the decline and americans are losing their houses at a record rate. that topic came up in last night's presidential debate out in las vegas, nevada, the state with the highest foreclosure

rate in the u.s. of a. >> and the republican senator from that state dean heller joins us right now. senator, i want you to hear first mitt romney talking about the housing especially how it relates to people in nevada. let's listen. >> thank you. >> there's an effort on the part of the people in washington who think they know better than markets and the idea of the federal government running around and saying we're going to give you money for trading in your old car or a few thousand bucks to buy a new house, we'll keep banks from foreclosing if you can't make your payments, these kind of actions on the part of government haven't worked. the right course is to let markets work. >> senator, is there a problem with that statement? >> well, he's right and he's wrong. first of all, we're talking about individual and people's lives. 60% to 70% of the homes in las vegas right now are underwater. there's six million homes estimated right now that are underwater. they anticipate four million of those are going into foreclosure over the next six to eight years so government put us in this

positi position. government is having trouble getting us. we have so many programs out there, i voted against them because they don't. we spent tens of billions of dollars in this country trying to figure out how to fix a problem that government produced and there isn't an easy answer. the best answer, i think the best answer of all is we need to create jobs. you look at nevada, we have the highest foreclosure but we also have the highest unemployment. >> right. >> you look at the next state that's second in unemployment, they're probably second in foreclosures. so the ultimate answer for this, we need to create jobs in this country and keep people in their homes. >> no kidding. later today, there in washington, d.c. where you're sitting, senator, the super committee, i think it's going to meet again behind closed doors, all this stuff that's so important with every american going on behind closed doors. you have introduced, there are the super committee members, you have introduced a super committee transparency act, you're worried about, you know, who are they talking to? what sort of dough are they getting from lobbyists and everything else? >> yeah, yeah.

newt gingrich talked about this a little bit last night in the debate and it goes to show you how broken washington, d.c. is. i call it the super secret committee and still back that up but they've only had two public hearings and they've been meeting for six weeks. >> right. >> this is -- this is public information. this is the public's domain. we're talking about taxes. we're talking about spending money. we're telling 500 and what, 20 other members of congress that you can't participate in this process, you can't amend it, you can't speak on it. even when i go talk to a member of the committee they're saying we're making progress. you cannot get any information unless you go and talk it a lobbyist. if you talk to a lobbyist, i can find out what the super committee is doing but i can't go to a member of the super committee and get the details like i could from the lobbiest. i think that's wrong. >> one member said this, it's like we keep going around in circles so i'm not sure what's going on in there but no one is saying they're making much progress which could be very

scary. >> we've certainly changed the textbooks on how government works. you have the house, you have the senate, they come together, they make decisions. we iron it out and the president signs a bill. this is a complete different process that is foreign to anything i've ever seen. >> right. and i know that you're worried that the lawmakers are taking money on both sides of the aisle. >> absolutely legally but so much hangs in the balance. all right, senator dean heller joining us today from our nation's capital. thank you very much, sir. have a great day. >> thank you, thank you very much. >> all right. all right, coming up straight ahead, actress susan sarandon called the pope a nazi. have you heard about it? we'll examine. you haven't heard much about it to this point. why is the mainstream media silent on this one? bernie goldberg is never silent. he'll be next. >> who cares what she thinks anyway. was solyndra just a start? another company on the verge of going belly up and taking our money with it. we'll be back to tell you about that complicated story in two

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>> ♪ it's your day for some special attention ♪ ♪ an occasion to be wined and dined ♪ ♪ you should get everything that you wish for ♪ ♪ and the whole world should kiss your behind ♪ >> all right. >> wow! >> very nice. >> bernie goldberg, you're first! >> right over there. >> thank you very much. >> that's so nice, the jibjab people did that. that's incredible. no next with the people, big heads. >> they can't get a color picture of you? >> that's right. >> part of the olden days. >> it was an homage. >> happy birthday, steve. >> thank you very much, jibjabers. >> now to the headlines, police

in maryland think they've found the remains of a missing 11-year-old boy. the body believed to be william mcquain was found in a wooded area. he was last seen two weeks ago. police started searching for the boy after they found his mother beaten and stabbed to death in their home in maryland. people who knew the family are shocked by the news. >> this is breaking my heart, it's breaking my kids, my kids have done nothing but cry. i took them out of school early today. they're broken and they can't deal right now and neither can i. >> mcquain's stepfather curtis lopez is the prime suspect right now and already charged with the murder of the mom, jane mcquain. >> the victim held as prisoners in a philly basement dungeon are now speaking out against the captors. >> that was real dirty! that was gross! -- wrong! >> it was wrong. three people accused of holding mentally handicapped people

hostage in this basement to steal their social security checks. they tried a couple of times to escape. couldn't. >> get away, he got me. >> you were afraid of him? >> i was. >> now we're learning one of the victims was reported missing and officials discovered his checks were going to the home where he was being held. officials reportedly went to the house but were turned away and never found them. >> another green investment by the white house gone bad? it seems the government may have thrown more of your money away with this lithium battery maker called enerdel. it received a $118 million grant in 2009 but the company is losing millions. enerdel has yet to turn a profit. in september, it ousted its ceo and nasdaq is threatening to delist the company's stock. >> so that wasn't a good investment for us? >> not looking good, steve. >> i'll call stuart varney and make sure. >> meanwhile, they owe the federal government $51 billion in bailout dough. that's not stopping a.i.g. from splurging a little.

the insurance giant now spending taxpayer dollars to treat 74 employees and associates to an ultraluxury resort weekend in california. the 2 1/2 day get away will be held at the ultraluxurious as it is described pelican hill resort in newport beach, california, where villas can run up to $1150 a night. that's right. that's a nice night. a.i.g. spent $440,000 a couple of years ago on a similar getaway back in 2008 which produced a firestorm regarding their travel. all right, gretch, over to you and bernie. >> thanks, guys. academy award winning actress susan sarandon calling the pope a nazi. she was explaining how she sent the pope a copy of the book "dead man walking" and trying to clarify which one she sent it to. she saidth last one, not the nazi one we have right now. have you heard about that?

where is the mainstream media on this? joining us is bernie goldberg, good to see you in person. >> good to see you. >> do you believe there's hypocrisy in the media? we are d we don't hear about it. >> there's no question about it. leading up to the media point, i find this tiresome. the pope is a nazi. bush was a nazi. cheney was a nazi. kilmeade, you know, he -- kilmeade -- >> leave him out of it. >> kilmeade may be a nazi. but if everybody we don't like is a nazi, what word do we reserve for hitler? i mean, we should just get one thing straight that the only people that are nazis are nazis. now, the media point is especially interesting to me because i look at this stuff. this is not going to be a big story. i guarantee you, this will not be a big story. and i'm even willing to say fair enough because she made this bigoted remark in passing. fine, she didn't make a speech about it.

well, when hank williams jr. made a stupid remark on this program a week ago, that became a big story. there is a never ending, gretchen, a never ending double standard when it comes to these things in the media. they protect their own and when conservatives do it, it fits the template, well, we all know conservatives are bigots. they think. therefore, that becomes a big story. >> it's interesting because, of course, the catholic league has spoken out against it but the anti-defamation league that speak out against anti-semitism, they're calling for an apology. i don't know if they'll go further with that. >> if she wants to apologize, it will be one of those fine, i shouldn't have said it. i'm sorry. but it was one of those dumb remarks that mean spirited people make. if it isn't about nazis, it's about ethnic groups or racial groups or other other religious

group. >> we're seeing that same sort of ignoring story line from the mainstream media when it comes to the occupy wall street as well. we have this clip yesterday of the los angeles substitute teacher that was mind blowing. i want people to hear this again and we'll tell you what happened as a result. >> i'm here representing myself but i do work for the los angeles union need school district. and i think that the zionist jews that are running these big banks and our federal reserve which is not running by the federal government, they need to be run out of this country. >> you had a conversation with bill o'reilly last night before something happened to her where you said no one else is going to pick this up and run with this story. why? >> right. first of all, it puts liberal media people in a bind. there is a well spoken black woman who is also a bigot. well, that doesn't fit the -- that doesn't fit the template, you know, she's a black woman who said this. so that's -- that's problem number one.

and i got to tell you, you know, she's been fired. >> that's the update today. >> she's been fired. i have to tell you, gretchen, i have mixed feelings about this. i don't like -- i'm not a fan of people being fired for making either controversial or even stupid comments. but if a teacher had made a comment about black kids, black people that was clearly racist or about muslims that was clearly racist, they'd have to go. you can't have a teacher saying stupid, nasty things about -- >> why would you give her a break? >> therefore, she has to go, too, but as a general rule, i was saying. i think the p.c. police are out there and i'm not happy with that as a general rule. but in this case, if you're going to fire somebody, if they say stupid things about racial groups or other groups, how could you not fire her for saying something bigoted about jewish people? by the way, i don't know how widespread that remark is and

i've never said that this is typical of people at the occupy either l.a. or wall street, but what i am saying is if one person at a tea party had a sign that was racist, it was getting on television. >> that would be the lead story. >> i understand. so you believe a double standard there as well. >> yeah, the two things are the same. >> there's something that happened at the debate the other night that you wanted to clarify. something that you -- >> thank you for -- you know, live television isn't easy and sometimes you forget to say something. i made the point that none of the so-called real conservatives could beat barack obama in a debate. i said mitt romney could and that's why the pragmatists want him to get the nomination but i didn't think the other real conservatives could. i meant to say, i don't think any of the real conservatives could beat barack obama in a debate except for newt gingrich who i think would make barack

obama wish he had never left chicago and i apologize for forgetting to say that. and i don't know newt gingrich but i apologize to him because i meant to say that. he would -- he would wipe the floor with barack obama in a debate. >> all right. you got the chance to clarify that. >> thank you, i appreciate that. >> he's probably watching the show. he probably heard it, bernie. all right. good to see you in person, as always. coming up, we're following a fox news alert. grizzlies and tigers on the loose right now. police hoping jack hanna is help. he'll be here live on "fox & friends" next to tell us what he's going to do. and are you looking for work? you have to stick around. we have the top five companies hiring this week. first, your trivia question of the day -- we're america's natural gas

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>> quick headlines for you on this wet wednesday from new york. apple getting ready to honor the life of steve jobs with a company wide celebration. they plan to close its stores for about an hour so employees can watch a live broadcast for the memorial being held for the apple co-founder. the memorial is taking place at apple h.q. jobs passed away on october 5th. and fashion guru carson kressley can go back to evaluating wardrobes. he was booted from "dancing with the stars" last night. after getting the lowest score from the judges two weeks in a

row. also in the bottom, u.s. soccer star hope solo. and now people who hope for a job. here's brian. >> millions of americans are still struggling to find work so we want to find you a job and cheryl casone is here from the fox business network and she joins us live. she's done some research. even each week you talk about five companies hiring. >> you talked about steve jobs, at&t is hiring today. because of the iphone. a million preorders already done. retailers really riding the wave. they appear to be coming out much stronger. they are looking for people that can work in the stores, they got good benefits and they have 96 million mobile customers and they have to serve all of those. they've got wireless sales. video, i think is really interesting. there's two teams today. i've got food and technology first. with technology operations and video at at&t retail. if you can do anything technology related, i'm telling you, anything computer related, design related, there's so many

jobs out there right now. >> especially if you have that knowledge, you can go to an apple store or a best buy. kraft, you talked about food. kraft, office of operations throughout the u.s. in 70 countries and looking for people. >> global company. kraft is in obviously the food business and they want to design and build and try new types of foods. we're all trying to get healthier. kraft is trying to do that as well. they need people that can do r&d. they need sales. it's a global company and i think that's important. so much now, we're seeing a lot of these large u.s. multinationals like kraft and like my next company that do give you opportunities around the world. it's about the emerging markets as well as it is about the united states right now. >> go to kraft. >> mexico is also looking to rebuild, they have open for college degrees and entry level and those experienced candidates, you have areas to look for. >> the salary range is $55,000 to $90,000, beverages unit, i think, is really where the action is right now for this company, they're starting to build up the beverage unit and

go after coca-cola. i spent a lot of time with the ceo of pepsico, she's about diversity. she's about opportunity. and she really believes that she can not only make nutritious snacks but make them taste good as well. a lot of that is r&d. with pepsico. >> gotcha. let's talk about adt. >> adt, security. this used to be a telegraph company established 1874. look, they've got this new product, it came out last year. you can use your smartphone to set up your lights and get your temperature regulated before you walk in the door, oh, and have your home secure as well. they've got a really decent 401k program and match up to 5%. once you start to look for a job, you look for the benefits package and they're known for having a solid benefits package. >> there's 2,200 jobs open. we want to close your circle. we need to know your name and the job that you got, that you've gotten through our segments that have been going on over the last few months. write us, friends at foxnews.com

or twitter you directly. >> i'm at cherylcasone, they can twitter you or gretchen and us. we're looking for you. we want you to come in and tell us your story. if you've seen the segment on fox and you've gotten a job out of it, and we know that you're out there, we'd love to talk to you more and kind of find out what your experience is and was it hard to get the job? was it a lot of competition? and then what kind of benefits are you lined up with. >> what kind of commission can we get because we got them the job? good to see you. we'll see you all day long. we're following a fox news alert. dangerous and deadly animals like tigers and grizzlies are loose and could be near your house. armed with assault rifles and patrolling the area. but what should residents do? up next, a man who knows how to deal with these animals. but first on this day in history 1999, rob thomas and carlos santana had the number one song. "smooth".

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>> the answer to the question of the day, bernie goldberg knew it when he was sitting there, john lithgow. congratulations. we've been telling you about this breaking news story all morning long, zanesville, ohio is under lockdown right now after several dangerous animals including lions, tigers, cheetahs, and others have escaped from a preserve there after the owner was found dead. police on shoot to kill orders have already reportedly shot 35

of the 50 animals but are urging nearby residents to stay indoors. >> and for more on what residents can do to avoid danger, we turn to wild animal expert and former animal planet host brandon mcmillan. good to see you this morning. >> hi, guys, thanks for having me. >> thanks for getting up so early. what do you make of this situation? what should people do? they're being told -- schools are closed and they're being told not to go outside. >> yeah. well, i mean, they're wild animals. it's kind of a no brainer. when you have big cats, grizzly bears and all the animals that i understand escaped, you have to use common sense. a big cat can take out anybody. >> right. but brandon, we have no experience with lions or cheetahs or bears that we know of. so if we are to be -- if we are to go into the deli, we look over and there's a lion. do we ignore it? do we run for our lives? do we take him on? what do we do? >> well, you have to remember these are wild animals. they're probably more scared than the people are. these animals most likely aren't going to go into a grocery store

or break into a window of a house. i mean, that's like the stuff you see on the sci-fi channel. these animals are probably looking for a place to hide themselves. it doesn't mean there's no danger out there. >> uh-huh. >> absolutely. we understand that the deputies are working apparently with some of the caregivers who were not attacked and they say that the animals were fed last on monday. and now apparently they're trying to put some food in their cages and what not in hopes of luring them back. do you think that might work? >> it might work but i think the animals at this point are so disoriented, they have no idea where they are. you have to remember those animals lived at the preserve. now, once they get outside the preserve, they have no idea. they don't have google maps like us. it's not the wild. they're in a big city right now. they're probably more scared than anything. it's like an alien planet to them. so they probably can't even find their way back home. >> it's a mystery as to how this 62-year-old owner of this preserve died. but that's apparently -- >> that's a big -- that's a big

mystery. and by the way, i don't think these animals just escaped out of coincidence. this sounds a little fishy. if one or two animals escaped, yeah, i believe maybe they escaped by accident. but from what i understand, dozens of animals escaped. something is going on here. these animals were let loose or freed or something. and i don't know the details. >> i only have 10 seconds left, should this man -- is it legal for him to have had these animals? >> i don't know. from what i understand, this guy was -- this guy was convicted for animal abuse in 2005. why did he have animals after that? that doesn't make any sense. there should be laws for this. >> he had about 50. now he's dead and people are looking for the others. brandon, thank you very much, sir. >> thank you guys. >> i think you got to head to ohio and pick up a lion. meanwhile, straight ahead, last night's g.o.p. debate the most hostile we've seen so far. how will the attacks play with the voters? our political panel is here and they'll be handing out report

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>> gretchen: good morning, everyone. today is wednesday, october 19. i'm gretchen carlson. thank you so much for sharing part of your day with us. for the front runners, it was fight night last night. the most aggressive gop debate we've seen so far. >> rick, again -- >> your newspaper -- >> i'm speaking. >> would you please wait? are you going to keep talking? let me finish. >> gretchen: all right. how those comments could play out today. did you like it or not? let us know. >> steve: fox news alert. like lion, tigers and bears on the loose, in real life. dangerous and deadly animals make a break from a man's personal reserve. now police are asking jack hannah for help. more details, breaking news from ohio straight ahead.

>> brian: where are those animals? yes, maybe we can send the bra to washington to help pay down the debt. it's worth 2 1/2 million dollars. i'm dragging this out in order to better research my segment. the victoria secret model is wearing it. i'll ask if i can touch it. with a sneak peek, "fox & friends" starts right now. >> hey, guys, you're watching "fox & friends," the news boss. >> gretchen: thanks. in your dreams you wish you could touch that. >> brian: if it's part of the segment. >> gretchen: i've got news for you, it's going to not actually be on her body. >> brian: so then i might be able to touch it. >> gretchen: you might be able to touch it! >> brian: that's all i want. >> steve: and still be married by the weekend. >> brian: right. that's what we're hoping for. >> steve: thank you for joining us on this wet wednesday here in new york city. president obama embarking on day three of his latest jobs bill bus tour. he's not campaigning for

president. he's pushing the whole jobs thing. his next stop will be in hampton, virginia. >> gretchen: that's where chief white house correspondent ed henry joins us live. he's on the road with him. good morning to you, ed. >> good morning. they keep saying it's not campaign events. so at one not a campaign event last night in virginia, the president himself said yes, we can am, the old slowing finance a previous campaign. he's going to have a joint appearance actually, rare joint appearance with the first lady out here on the road at this military base later this morning. they're going to be talking about one piece of the jobs bill, which is to troy to get more veterans returning home from iraq and afghanistan, get them jobs back here at home once they loaf the battlefield. but the president's rhetoric out here on the road has been tough on the republicans. he continued that yesterday in saying basically if their version of the jobs bill passes, they're going to let wall street rewrite the rules once again. take a listen. >> the republican plan says what's standing between us and

full employment is that we're preventing companyies from polluting our air and water too much. we, on the other hand, have said that let's put teachers back in the classroom in north carolina and all across the country. >> now, evenly as the president beat up on republicans, he insisted again on the road yesterday that he wants to work with the republicans on his version of the jobs bill, but back in washington, one of those republicans, you would expect him to be reaching out to moderate republican senator olympia snowe who could be a vote in favor of the obama bill. instead, sounded an opposite tone and was really giving a tongue lashing to the treasury secretary, tim geithner. listen to this. >> rome is burning. and we're facing a did he say mation of our community -- decimation of our community. we have the same unemployment as we did three years ago. that's the point.

this is nothing new. >> the president having potentially political problems on the road with fellow democrats. tim kaine, popular former governor of virginia not expected to be here with the president, even though he's the senate candidate. he says he's got scheduling conflict. republicans think it's because tim kaine is in a close x-rays doesn't want to appear -- in a close race, doesn't want to appear with the president. in some of these close states, a state the president won in 2008, very much up for grabs in 2012. >> steve: ed, before you go, do we know whether or not the president watched the debate last night, 'cause there was a lot of screaming. >> yeah. it certainly sounded like it. i know some of the president's staff on the road last night was watching the debate and i think they were entertained by some of the back and forth among republicans. but my sense, what i've been hearing from the president's aides, many of these debate,

even on fox, he has not really been watching. he prefers to watch sports at night. >> gretchen: the insider information from ed henry. thanks so much. >> appreciate it. >> gretchen: let's talk about that debate then because the front runners, romney and cain came under attack last night. rick perry was doing a lot of the attacking, specific low with governor mitt romney when it came to immigration. >> who mows your lawn? >> brian: it was bizarre because they were talking about the bill and a -- and a virtual wall. the question came to health care, it went back to immigration because the question to rick perry was essentially, 20% of your state does not have insurance. how do you get them could have had? let's talk about who is mowing governor romney's lawn. listen. >> the fact is we have a huge number of illegals that are coming in to this country and they're coming into this country because the federal government has failed to secure that border. but they're coming here because there's a magnet and the magnet is called jobs. and those people that hire

illegals ought to be penalized and mitt, you lose all of your standing from my perspective because you hired illegals in your home and you knew about it for a year and the idea that you stand here before us and talk about that you're strong on immigration is on its faith the height of hypocrisy. [ laughter ] >> rick, i don't think i've ever hired an illegal in my life. so i'm looking forward to finding your facts on that. >> i'll tell what you the facts are. the newspaper -- it's time for you to tell truth. >> you get 30 seconds. the way the rules is, you get 60 seconds and i get 30 seconds to respond. >> you knew you had illegals working. >> are you going to keep talking? let me finish what i have to say. look, rick --

>> we've had a -- it's been a tough couple of debates for rick and i understand that. so you're going to get testy. >> you stood here in front of the american people and did not tell the truth that you had illegals working on your property and the newspaper came to you and brought it to your attention and you still a year later had those individuals working for you. >> an op ed in the newspaper said you're open to amnesty. that's number within. number two, we hired a lawn company to mow our lawn and they had illegal immigrants working there. when that was pointed out to us, we let them go. you have a problem with allowing someone to finish speaking. i suggest that if you want to become president of the united states, you got to let both people speak. >> brian: i don't understand why he wasn't jumping in and saying one at a time. i like to see the exchanges, but when both are blowing the rules -- >> gretchen: did you hear what he said?

anderson cooper had one line. he said, i thought republicans liked to follow the rules. which was a relatively snide comment. >> steve: i think newt gingrich had it right at the end when he said, i don't think you get to the white house with all this bickering and essentially said, good job, anderson. this is not your questions and the way you handled it is what generated that. >> brian: the other issue in theththth got millionarred in the first -- pillared. that's where it got heated. >> steve: who won the debate? we'll talk to our political panel about that in a couple of minutes. >> brian: a very latest -- our latest on the top story. dozens of wild animals are on the loose near zanesville, ohio after their owner was found dead, their cages wide open. police shot several animal, but urging people to stay inside. >> gretchen: the director of the columbus zoo, jack hannah. i know you've been called into

duty. this is your expertise. bring us up to speed. what is going on there? >> well, i was doing a speech last night, i came out at 10:00 o'clock last night and got 15 cell messages. i thought something happened to my family. but this is my family, the animal world. i just met with the sheriff. 31 animals are put down. the vet is up there with a tranquilizers and hopefully there is three cats along up there and primates. we'll move them to the columbus zoo as soon as possible. human life obviously is first and everyone is wondering why did 30 animals loos their lives? we can not have these animals out, but i'm sorry to say 31 animals lost their life. 38 or 48, i'm not sure. the man who had them died up there. our first priority is to make sure no human life is in danger. we'll first tranquilize them and

move them to a zoo until we find a beautiful home. but we're doing everything we can right now. it's raining, pouring right now. the animals are hunkered down in trees probably, like you would be if it's raining or in the wild, which is both good and bad. that means they're not moving. they said the animals were fed day before yesterday. that's good. one thing people do not want to do is run from an animal like this. you have to stand there, scream and yell, 90% of the time they will leave you alone. if they say you running, they will see you as something to play with or run after. do not run. we were telling that to folks. i'm hoping by tonight we can account for most of these creatures, i don't know. >> steve: how much danger are the people in in that immediate vicinity, jack? >> right now i would say they're in danger, but not much because of the pouring rain here, these animals are hiding like you would be under a tree or something. that's what we're up there trying to find out right now. i would think, plus in the wild, that's a different situation.

these are wild animals. these are animals that would be in captive environment. if this goes on for a couple, three days, we know for a fact, the big cats are loose, then this could be a big problem. go ahead. there is a bill under the previous governor out, governor kasich now, trying to get in touch with his office. we've been working upon eight months to pass the bill to stop the source of these animals. it's like a drug. he got these animals. where did they come from? we had to shut down an auction. >> brian: that will be good. real quick, at the 31 are out of the picture, they're dead, who is left that really concerns you? what animals are left? >> that's what the problem ises right now because the man is gone, he died up there last night. we don't know how yet. i've got my own ideas. i don't know what happened. someone said he took his life

and cut all the cages open. that's a rumor. so right now i don't know what to say because they're up there with the prime minister with a big list. they're -- with the foreman with a big list. hopefully we'll know what we have left to find. >> gretchen: wow, jack. you were the perfect person to call. so good of you to drive all night and go back and offer your help there. keep us abreast as to what's happening there. >> it's a bad dream. thank you. >> steve: turned into a nightmare. straight ahead on our wednesday program, the ultimate faceoff between a mountain lion and an ordinary house cat. this is something different than what we've been talking about. >> brian: right. totally different. we showed you some of last night's gop debate. definitely the most hostile so far. so how will those attacks play out with the voters? our political panel handing out report cards.

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>> steve: we played you a bunch of this a couple of minutes ago. mitt romney and governor rick perry duking it out at the debate on immigration. >> mitt, you lose all of your standing from my perspective because you hired illegals in your home and you knew for a year. and the idea that you stand here before us and talk about that you're strong on immigration is on its face, the height of hypocrisy. >> i don't think i ever hired an illegal in my life. i'm looking forward to finding your facts on that. it's been a tough couple of debates for rick and i understand that. so you're going to get testy.

>> steve: then it got really weird. how does bickering like this sit with the voters watching right now? let's get our perspective from the political panel, linda chavez a former labor secretary nominee and fox news contributor doug schoen, and kelly, author of "the gq candidate" pictured right there. good morning. >> good morning. >> steve: linda, who won? >> romney continues to be very impresssive in these debates. he managed to keep his cool even though he was under attack, but i actually thought perry did the best, that he has done. >> steve: it was do or die for him. >> yeah. it was going to be a tough shot. i thought he held up pretty well. >> steve: kelly? >> i thought romney was very presidential. it's hard to fight back and to not lower yourself and i thought did he a pretty good job. what's interesting about the back and forth is you had perry saying he's a hypocrite on immigration and then you have everyone else thinking perry is somewhat of a hypocrite because

of a dream act. you have other people saying romney is a hypocrite on health care. what's interesting, is both of those issues they were being attacked for, actually makes them electable because it makes them seem more moderate. so i thought it was ironic because it made them both look good with independents. >> i think the winner was barak obama. i say that because the field thought you could make a case for perry, for romney, herman cain, all i thought did well and badly at times. seven people fighting among themselves and being testy, the incumbent president, whose numbers are slipping got the best out of last night. >> i don't agree, doug. >> steve: he's a pollster, he might have facts. >> but i do think that primaries are actually good for the parties and good for candidates. it's how you hone your message. it's how you find out -- >> steve: it's a preview of the general. >> that's right. >> i think two things come out of this. either we'll see the eventual

nominee not being any of the people on that stage if the perception among primary voters is like it was, or we're seeing the makings of a romney-cain ticket. >> herman cain did relatively well with the assault on 9-9-9, but he was not as triumphant as he had been. romney held up pretty well. >> steve: there's a story out this morning on national review on-line that says steven moore, the "wall street journal" guy who helped herman cain come up with 9-9-9 now realizes the national sales tax is probably a nonstarter. he is suggesting get rid of that and swap it out for a 9% payroll tax. all right. so if he did a 180 on that and turned into a payroll tax, what do you think? >> i think herman cain has bigger problems. he is sort of a gas machine. i think his statements on

electrifying the fence, live ammunition on top -- won't have a muslim in my administration, he is plain spoken and people like that, but you can't have plain spoken turned into bigotry. >> steve: i'll give you the final word, kelly. >> i don't know. i think really cain has the likeability, romney has the wonkiness. who knows? people like me love gaffes. maybe that's why i'm routing for cain on a ticket. >> notwithstanding the gaffes, the polarization is optimistic, forward looking and he's leading the polls. that counts for a lot. >> steve: well, you better leave and go do a poll and we'll -- >> that's where i'm going! >> steve: great conversation. thank you very much. next up on the rundown, should you borrow from your 401(k) if all the penalties are lifted? dave ramsey, pictured there, coming up next to answer your e-mail. then, did you see this guy in the audience at last night's debate? yep. that's mr. las vegas, wayne

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>> gretchen: welcome back. time for your news by the numbers. first, 3.5%, that's how much social security benefits are expected to go up next year. it will be the first cost of living increase in more than two years. next, one of postage stamps are going up. again? the cash strapped u.s. postal service raising the price from 44 cents to 45 cents come next january. $293,000, that's how much the average goldman sachs employee stands to earn this year, that's more than a 50% decrease from 2007. although i'm not sure that includes their bonuses. brian? >> brian: all right. those are the numbers. now let's find out about the numbers and how it affects you. if you had a chance to withdraw from your 401(k) penalty free,

would you do it? should you do it? >> gretchen: a new bill proposed by president obama would let people withdraw up to 50 thousand dollars or 50% to pay their mortgage. but is it a good idea? let's ask dave ramsey. he's a personal finance expert and author of "entire leadership." so dave that, a good idea? >> well, it's not a good idea. f of course, this is only for those in foreclosure and does not remove the taxes. it just removes the penalty. the penalty is only 10%. you will pay taxes and if you pull $50,000 out, that increases your taxable income, so you'll pay 25% of whatever you pull out, or 35% of whatever you pull out in taxes. so it should be an absolute last resort. you know you're going to pay taxes on the money and probably try to sell the house if you can. again, if you're under water or this is the only way you can save your house, then yes, it will be a good thing for you. >> steve: last resort. we got a couple of e-mails for you. greg from hawaii has e-mailed us and said, i plan on retire not guilty two years, although

living in hawaii would be fantastic all the time. should i put my extra money towards my investment or toward paying off my mortgage? >> we recommend steadily and consistently putting 15% of your household income into retirement. anything above that that you can do towards your mortgage. so any found money, any bonuses, inheritance above 15% in your budget, throw that toward your mortgage. so the answer is some of both. >> brian: here is don from texas. he says, we moved to a new city two years ago and bought a new house. we are renting our old home but losing money each month. the house is worth less than we owe. should we try the short sale the home or hold on to it? >> a short sale is just to the left of foreclosure. it basically destroys your credit and you may or may not get sued for the difference in a short sale, depending how you negotiate it. so a short sale is a last resort, just short of foreclosure. it's not like oh, this hurts and is inconvenient, i'm going to drop this house.

if you can pay the difference, pay it because in most of these real estate markets we're seeing building happening again, we're seeing inventory burn off and we're going to see these prices return. >> gretchen: good news in dave's remarks. danny from arkansas says i'm in my 30s and thinking about borrowing from retirement to pay off my student loans. i know there are penalties, but if i don't, it will be four years before they're paid off. what should i do? danny is not alone, right? >> that's for sure. danny, if you borrow on your retirement, that's debt. and you got debt on your student loans. you didn't pay off your student loans, you just moved the debt over to your 401(k). no, that's not going to be wise. when you leave a job with debt on your 401(k) and you will leave when you die, when you get a better job or when you get fired, you will leave, they're going to charge you a 10% penalty, plus your tax rate if you don't pay all of that money back within # 60, never borrow on a 401(k). >> steve: always looking on the bright side, when you die or get

fired. dave ramsey, great advice. that's why we turn to you once a week. have a great day. >> thanks for having us. >> brian: coming up, dangerous and deadly animals on the loose. police hunting wild lion, tigers and bears running through a neighborhood. one of the men leading the charge who lost his own brother to a wild animal attack will join us live. >> gretchen: republicans speak to yow night if they want to make president obama a one-term president. but right now they're too split to make that happen. what do they need to do? larry sabato will look in his crystal ball. >> steve: maybe we can send this bra to help pay down the debt. that victoria secret super model is -- her job right now is to wear it and she's going to give us a sneak peek, to you don't want to miss that. >> brian: miranda is here. >> steve: yes, she is. my name is jill strange,

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>> steve: we start with headlines on a fox news alert. the owner of a private zoo in ohio dead and dozens of his wild animals, including, lions, tigers and bears and wolves are on the loose right now. police found cage doors open at the farm near zanesville, ohio. swat teams have shot and killed at least 35 animals so far. wild life expert jack hannah and

his team from the columbus zoo are now on the scene. >> they brought some tranquilizer stuff in case we got into populated areas where we need to do use that stuff. they will be on hand today if we get something that we can tranquilize, we will be doing that. just a good reference for us and being there and offering advice for us. >> steve: they don't know where a lot of the animals are and so some school districts canceled classes for today. police urging everyone to stay indoors. the # 2-year-old -- 62-year-old owner of the preserve, has been fined for animal abuse and neglect and recently released from prison after doing time on federal weapons charges. no word yet on how he died or how the animals got loose. we'll have a live report very, very shortly. >> gretchen: new developments this morning in the case of missing baby lisa irwin. police will search her parents' home for a second time this morning. this time without their permission. >> is that right say deborah

bradley and jeremy irwin are no longer cooperating and being told to stay away from their home until police are done with their search. yesterday a customer reported seeing a baby that looked like lisa at a deli in kansas, but it turned out to be a false alarm. >> steve: starbucks going blond with its lightest roast ever. the new coffee is a mild alternative to its darker roast that some customers say tastes bitter and burned. starbucks tried 80 different blends before trying this new one. coming soon to one near you. >> gretchen: and call them kitten cousins. you're looking at a house cat coming face-to-face with a mountain lion. it happened in boulder, colorado. the two cats staring each other down through a sliding glass door for five minutes straight. the mountain lion then moved to a statue of a mountain lion in the family's lawn before retreating back into the woods. close call.

>> brian: sabato's crystal ball. a new poll shows the majority of likely republican presidential primary voters would pick a candidate who alone with their values over one who has the best chance of beating president obama. so could this cost the gop? the white house in 2012 and what candidate now steps up front and center because of this? the director for the center for politics at the university of virginia, dr. larry sabato. if they want somebody who mostly aligns with their values, who are they looking at then? >> well, you could go through the candidates and pick out the purer ones, brian, but look, that's what people always say in answer to a polling question like that. it's just natural to say i'm going to support someone i agree with. that's why this is such a long process. people move through various stages and they come to terms with that old bug called electability because in the end, they want to win. that's what american politics is

about, winning. >> brian: but you do say a lot of republicans would have a problem nominating a moderate and you say many republicans feel burned by senator john mccain. >> absolutely. they don't look back fondly on 2008 for lots of reasons. if mccain had somehow won, they would have perhaps had a more positive feeling about him and about that campaign. so winning is the center of the universe. it's the sun of the political solar system. >> brian: perry you don't think is out of it. even after last night's debate, you think perry still is viable? he's got the money. >> brian, there are 15 million reasons why he's not out of it. those are the number of dollars he has banked. that's a lot of money for a primary campaign. he's governor of texas. we all know it's a very wealthy state. he can double that amount of money by the time we finally get around to figuring out when this primary process starts. so of course you don't rule him

out. obviously romney and cain are the two people at the top of the heap right now, but i think perry is the one with the potential to come back. >> brian: right. and perry has evidently staffers in every single county of new hampshire, in two months his infrastructure is being set up. up like herman cain has more momentum, but less people. i think he has six people in iowa and less than that in new hampshire. you believe the general lectorate is behind this. they don't think herman cain can get elected. right? >> the political community on the republican side believes that as we go through the distance, that cain will probably fade. that's based on the theory that in the end, money and organization matters, particular low in iowa, but also new hampshire, the other early primary states. this is the most unconventional campaign of the year. we'll be reading about it for years. it's interesting to watch, but it's tough to beat the conventional wisdom and the

conventional wisdom usually triumphs in the end. >> brian: george will and people like charles krauthammer, respected republican voices and leaders who just won't buy into herman cain, no matter what week you turn in or what momentum he may have, they don't want to do it. >> well, they see his description of 9-9-9 and they think, as in the debate last night, his defense of it is vague. they're worried p him in a debate situation with president obama and cain has his strong supporters, but he clearly is developing a cadre of detractors. you saw that at the debate. he really got pummeled. >> brian: you thought herman cain got pummeled? >> absolutely. cain got pummeled, romney, perry got pummeled. it was a mixed up kind of debate. everybody took their licks and there were video clips created that will be used in tv ads against all the candidates. >> brian: right. so a lot happened negative while they mixed it up yesterday for another network.

finally, can you just overcome that? can the constituents of this country say, i don't care what the establishment wants. i want him or her? >> they do it all the time. sometimes they do it with a successful nominee. they've done that several times. but you always think of goldwater and mcgovern. you have to keep those models in mind. you can go too far, nominate your favorite, go with your heart instead of your head and lose the big ball game in november. >> brian: go try to catch up to president obama's bus. i know he's in virginia. thanks so much, have a great day and tell your students we said hi. >> thank you, brian. >> brian: coming up straight ahead, we are following a fox news alert. grizzlies and tigers on the loose right now. i'm not kidding. up next, one of the men leading the charge to capture them before it's too late. he'll join us live. he's a former cop whose friend was killed by a wild animal. then, could this bra be the key to paying down the national

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is pretty well under control. there still might be a few of them loose. they're still telling everybody to stay in their houses. they closed schools today in the area. >> steve: because what we're talking about here, and this is something you're an expert at -- these are wild animals and when wild animals are not behind bars, they can be trouble. >> absolutely. their natural instinct will kick in. they talk about when roy was talked about the tiger. they go in and their natural instincts will kick in. first of all, they shouldn't have been in these cages. i'm big on leaving them in the wild. private people should never own these animals. you can buy a cobra, but not common sense. >> gretchen: you would have experience with this. i understand your friend was killed by a viper snake and tell us the story about how you fended off some sort of a big cat when it was coming after two of your friends. >> yeah. what happened was there was a large mountain lion that was loose in downtown dayton, ohio. it was chasing dayton police

officers. i had to get called in. i had tolaso with -- to lasso. it lunged at me with all of it. i flipped it over, pinned it down, picked it up, we had a battle. i had to get it to the animal control van without being torn up. he was growling so loud, it about blew my ear drums out. in the process, he peed all over me and i felt like doing the same thing. >> brian: he was claiming his territory, but lost that. why does it keep happening in ohio? what's the deal? >> the sad part about ohio is we have no regulations statewide. we had something when the governor strickland was in office, but dropped with the new governor. we are number one for the sale of exotic animals and number one for people having them in their homes. it's out of control. it's like the wild, wild west. >> steve: we understand that some school districts are closed today because they don't know

exactly where these things are. what's your advice for people out there? this is something you deal in all the time. >> the main thing is if you come across a big cat, please do not run. it's going to trigger its natural instinct to run. i had an incident in texas, she turned and around, he ran after her and broke her neck. please call 911. get the proper authorities to take care of it. these cops and firemen are the first to show up. we got no training in this. there is no training for this in the police academy. >> gretchen: thanks for being our guest. >> thanks for having me on. my wife will love it. this is her favorite show. >> gretchen: thanks for the shout out. coming up, 2 1/2 million reasons to stick around and if that's not enough, meet victoria secret super model miranda kerr. looking fabulous of a having a baby. >> steve: let's see what martha has. >> i always love to follow the super model. thank you for that.

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>> gretchen: she's making a big return to the runway for victoria secret with a serious welcome back gift. joining us now, super model miranda kerr and her $2.5 million bra. good morning to you n good morning. how are you? >> gretchen: by the way, you look amazing. she just had a baby, folks.

i know you're going to think, how could she look like this? nine months ago you had a baby, right? >> i did. best thing i've ever done. >> brian: how is it going so far? you've adapted well? >> yeah, i love it. he's just -- he melts my heart. >> brian: does he know you're a super model? >> i'm just his mommy. >> steve: super mom. you're a super model wearing that thing right there. we see a picture of you. >> isn't it gorgeous? it's like a piece of art. this is designed by london jewelers and there is 3400 precious gems in there. there is like 142 carats of diamonds. >> brian: point to it. >> gretchen: he finally got to touch the bra! >> look at this, two yellow diamonds here. 14-carats each. two white diamonds, eight carats each. then beautiful pearls. >> steve: there is a lot of pearls. >> white diamonds. as i said. >> brian: you need a back operates to wear that?

-- back brace to wear that. >> gretchen: she has two security guys here to just take care of the bra! >> that's right. they wanted to make sure i didn't walk off wearing this. >> brian: we know you had a history. >> gretchen: did somebody buy that bra? >> it's for sale, yes. victoria secrets christmas catalog. it is $2.5 million. if this is out of your price range. we do have other bras, a gorgeous pushup bra, very similar to this. >> gretchen: just a regular bra price? >> yeah. >> brian: it took 500 hours to stitch all the gems on that pushup bra. >> it did. amazing issues right? >> brian: you know you married orlando bloom, right? >> yeah. >> brian: how is that going? >> it's good. it's amazing. we really make sure we spend as much time together as a family. >> brian: avoiding the press? >> you try your best to.

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♪ >> steve: if only i could dance like that in real life. >> gretchen: our viewer friend of the show, chaz, is the one who put together all those. thank you, chaz, for doing this. >> that was nice. do that for my birthday. >> brian: he have been on the crew is writing that date down, your birthday, april 29. >> gretchen: i think it's time to call in some of the extra special. somebody related to the cake boss. he's going to make a special delivery. our friend who has been on the show before. >> couldn't forget your birthday. >> brian: welcome back! >> happy birthday. >> brian: take a seat.

>> steve: look at this! looks like wine. >> he eats very well. >> steve: he's from the cake boss. last year you made a television. this year, because you know at my age, i should be drinking heavy, it's a couple of -- is that -- that's cake! >> that is amazing! >> gretchen: where do you start cutting it? >> believe it or not, this is all cake, from here down, and the bottles are actual cake. everything is edible, the grapes and everything. we make everything at the bakery. >> gretchen: how many hours went into that? >> this one took two days. they worked on it for two days. everybody is real busy. >> brian: have you met miranda? >> no. >> brian: every year she comes back for steve's birthday. >> gretchen: she's going to wear that bra in the show. >> we did a