jon: a group surge. jenna: we'll continue to watch those stories. thanks for joining us, everybody. jon: "america live" starts right now. megyn: a new search taking place right now for missing baby lisa irwin. police zeroing on the home of this beautiful baby girl. welcome to "america live," i'm megyn kelly. just hours after the police showed up to the home of lisa's parents, search warrant in hand we are learning new details on the search that is taking place on the property at this very moment. check out the police officers in the white suits. the f.b.i. and police blocking off the entire street from onlookers and the media, even getting a no-fly zone over the area, we presume so no aerial pictures could be taken. crews are now digging up land around a shed behind the family home. we are also told that drawings, police dogthat dogs, police

dogs are on the scene. this is after i was in kansas city 72 hours ago and spoke for almost two hours with the parents. this is me outside the family home two days ago. i walked by the side of the house, on the driveway where jeremy usually keeps his car, and as you can see there is the shed/garage that is the focus of today's search. coming around the back there is a camper. behind where i'm pointing now is the shed. i'll show ahh different shot in a second. the parents have been barred from the area for now. deborah and jeremy have not stayed in the home since the baby allegedly disappeared two weeks ago and they spoke to me about why. i'm going to play that sound for you shortly. coming up we are going to have a live report from kansas city with through details on this search: a lot of you have been wondering as you've heard over the past few days about these parents, questions about their story, in particular deborah's admission to me that she was drunk on the night her baby

disappeared and may have even blacked out that night. she also told me she is no longer sure about her story, that she saw her daughter alive at 10:30pm that night. that's what she told police, she told me it was 6:40pm and she cannot be sure she ever saw her again. later this hour we will speak with the private investigator who has spent more time with lisa's parents than anyone else since the case first broke. day and night. why he says you should not rush to judgment in this case. new details emerging now on a very serious public safety threat in a bizarre story involving at least two dozen wild animals set free on the streets of ohio. sheriff's describing a war zone in zainesville. they say the owner of a wild animal preserve set the creatures free before apparently committing suicide. sheriffs so far putting down a bengal tiger.

one neighbor hid out in a barn as lions chase horses. grizzlies, leopards, and money keys sparked chaos. trace gallagher is live. >> reporter: of the 50 or so animals let out of their cages the deputies are telling us a grizzly bear, a mountain lion and a monkey are the only animals they believe are on the loose. keep in mind the exact number of animals on that farm is a little bit cloudy. anywhere from 48 to 51. when the sheriffs arrived on the scene their primary goal was to keep the animals inside the property sense that you saw there, clearly many had already got even out. they did not have tranquilizer guns so the deputies began shooting animals using their handguns. they say they shot the animals in the interest of public safety. later on they came in contact with a bengal tiger, they tried a tranquilizer gun, the tiger got aggressive. they ended up having to put that animal down as well. the entire area, the county was

on lockdown, warning signs on the interstate. deputies were posted at the entrances of subdivisions in case the animals went into public areas, and the schools were shut down. listen to the sheriff. >> the main impact there is we didn't want kids standing a a bus stop this morning and seeing these big animals walk by and possibly cause them harm. the school officials were tremendous. they supported us 110%. we worked with them and communicated with them and it was a group decision for the best interests of everybody in our community. >> reporter: the police know this exotic animal farm very well. over the past seven years they've had 35 complaints from neighbors, everything from the owner mistreating the animals to the animals running loose. the owner, terry thompson, 65 years old just got out of jail on weapons charges. ohio well-known for exotic animal incidents. since 2003 there have been 22, including three bear attacks,

two wildcat attacks, three snake attacks. of those four have been fatal. in 2007 you see at the bottom of a screen, a pet lion escaped, chasing cars down the interstate before was finally recaptured again. we have a mountain lion, a bear and monkey that remain on the loose. if is that changes we'll let you know. megyn: unbelievable. thank you. our research digging up information on ohio's law regarding exotic animals. ohio is one of a handful of states with no regulations on this issue. it only regulates ohio native species such as bobcats, coyotes, black bears and rattlesnakes. the outgoing governor signed an order to temporarily ban the ownership, breeding, selling or trading of dangerous animals. that executive order expired in april. coming up we will ask the director of the columbus zoo to tell us the biggest challenge facing the teams hunting down these animals today. jack hanna is there handling

this crisis, and he will join us live. to the campaign trail now where governor rick perry of texas has suddenly caught a bit of fire in the last 24 hours as he looks to regain his frontrunner status. the texas governor speaking a few minutes ago at the western republican leadership conference, launching a new attack on the treasury secretary. [applause] >> i want to make the tax code so simple that even timothy geithner can file his taxes on time. [cheering] [applause] >> in a simple. megyn: perry came out with guns blazing at last night's gop debate, his most aggressive performance to date. no one was off limits. listen. >> mitt you lose all of my standing from my perspective. you hired illegals in rain shower home and you knew about it for a year. the idea that you stand here

before us and talk about that your strong on immigration is on its face the height of hypocrisy. >> you don't have to have a big analysis to figure this thing out. right here in nevada you've got 8 plus% you want 9-cents on top of that. 9% on a knew home. 9% more on a social security. i don't think so, herman it's not going to fly. >> the 14th amendment allows that the child of an illegal immigrant born here is automatically a u.s. citizen. >> let me address herman's bill. >> i'd rather you ask the questions. >> i understand that. you get to ask the questions and i get to respond like i like to. for someone who has been in the united states congress to lecture me on the issues that are going on on that border is not right.

megyn: wow. bret bair is the anchor of tpegs report. before we had the fox debate rick perry said he was going to come out tonight swinging. it didn't happen. but it did last night. >> it definitely did. he was much more energetic, lively, he seemed like he wanted to be there, which didn't really -- he wasn't characterized that aeu what the least in the first few debates. clearly he is setting himself up to be the right of mitt romney and to continue to attack mitt romney as the frontrunner. with all of the cash on hand that the perry campaign has, and with a break now in the debate schedule, look for this ad war to really step up and he'll step up the attacks on governor romney, specifically. and we saw that he did get under governor romney's skin at least a couple of times, something we hadn't seen in previous debates. megyn: he did. people were counting him down

and out of this race. it may have just turned into a mere lull in rick perry's battle to become the republican nominee. all sorts of positive buzz about him and his performance this morning. >> reporter: i will say there is still kept sis bim his ability to portray himself as someone who has the policy chops to get through a battle o with president obama. there is concerned among analysts who look at his campaign and say why didn't you come to the debate last night with the economic plan, why are you laying it out again, three days later or how many days later after the debate? there are serpbs about his ability to portray that. but he definitely came with a lot of energy, and a lot of barbs. megyn: it was a different looking rick perry that we saw on the stage last night. a couple of times he did manage to get under mitt romney's skin. romney as the frontrunner in so many polls was taking a lot of incoming last night. for the first time he took some incoming from a guy who hasn't

really been throwing bombs at ace fellow republicans on the stage, newt gingrich who was responding to something romney said in a very interesting exchange watch this. >> there is a lot of big government behind romney care, not as much as obamacare but a heck after lot more than your campaign has admitted. >> we got the idea for an individual mandate from you. >> that is not tpraou. >> we got it from you, and you got it from the heritage foundation. >> you just said it's not true. you did not get that from me, you got it from the heritage foundation. >> you've never supported that. >> i agree with them. >> have you supported in the past an individual mandate. >> i absolutely did with the heritage foundation against hilly care. >> that's what i'm saying. we got the idea from you and the heritage foundation. >> okay, a little broader. megyn: how did romney fare, bret? >> reporter: he counter punched well a number of different times, he pushed back. that was really one of the

better counter punches. also on the 999 plan with the apples and oranges and the bushel he had some good follow-up lines. where he is most vulnerable, however, is the issue of healthcare, and the massachusetts healthcare. he continued to say last night that he as governor did not push for a national acceptance of something like romney care, but other candidates pointed to the line in his book that was removed, not from the hard cover, to the paperback, the line that said it could work across the nation. there have been a couple of interviews in 2007 in which governor romney it could be a plan for national healthcare. so there is a vulnerability here that other candidates are going to continue to tap into. megyn: thank you so much. see you for special report at 6:00pm. we are following breaking developments in the search for this beautiful baby girl lisa irwin. police and dogs are at their

home right now. the parents aren't there, they haven't been there since she went missing. they are searching a garage and a shed in the back of of the house. why not? what are they after? a man who has spent more time with the parents than anyone, bill stanton joins me live to react. a record number of americans think the country is on the wrong track. coming up next pat buchanan tells us why and how we can turn this around. the vice president at it again suggesting that crime will get out of control if the president's jobs bill do is no does not pass. has he gone too far with the rapes and robberies if it does not pass. >> a store is being held up and a gun is pointed at his head, if a cop shows up, that is not temporary to that store owner. give me a break. [ male announcer ] drinking a smoothie with no vegetable nutrition?

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megyn: actress lindsay lohan facing a new legal drama. a live look as the 25-year-old hears from a judge in the los angeles courthouse. the court will decide whether to accept her probation progress or send her back to jail. she was ordered to do hundreds of hours of community service on charges stemming from a 2007 drunk driving arrest and a recent theft conviction. property queuesers say she rarely showed up. when we get a ruling we will bring it to you. we've got new polling out today that shows a near record percentage of americans think the u.s. is headed in the wrong direction. according to a rasmussen poll 78% of voters are worried. just 15% believe that we are on the right track. look at that 78% say wrong track now. my next guest says america could be dead by 2025. his new book "suicide of a super power" explains why and how we can still turn this around.

three-time presidential candidate pat buchanan joins me live right here on the set. it's a pleasure to have you. >> a pleasure to be here. megyn: it's a bit of doom and gloom, day of reckoning, state of emergency, death of the west, and now we have suicide of a super power. >> it's not the kind of guy you want to invite to a barbecue on saturday. megyn: you're scaring the you know what of us. >> 78% of the people say we are on a wrong course. we can't defend our borders, balance our budget, win our wars, there is deadlock and gridlock in congress. much of our politics is poisoned. you watch television cable, people are calling each other the kinds of names they never did 50 years ago. megyn: is it just in a the political environment. you talk about over spending, you blame president bush in part, president obama in part in your book. what are we supposed to do? if you listen to the democrats we've reigned in some of that spending. we are the worse for it, they do not believe that less spending

is the way to turn our country around. you believe it is a critical post. >> we are spending 24, 25gdp, both conservatives and tea partyers say we have to bring that 24 down and the democrats say we've got to raise the tax levels up to the 24 and pay for it. you've got an ey dived. there is a religious and social collapse in this country, the collapse of families, the rise of crime. hostility of one person against another. this is what i mean when i say america is not going to survive or may not survive to 2025. i don't mean as a political entity on a u.n. member state as a great power, i mean as the country kwaoe used to be, one nation under god, indivisible. that nation is breaking down and disintegrating. megyn: when you talk about the cultural aspect of it and the ethnicity aspect of it. you write to be one nation, one people you need a measure of

national unity where you rise above those differences, and you seem to be speaking of ethnicity, what does that mean. >> we are going to be by 2041 a nation entirely of minorities. the most diverse nation on earth, religiously, racially, hispanic 30 million, african persons 66 million. whites down, whose numbers are going to decline. megyn: why is that not a good thing? >> well first off what holds us together is the key. it used to be when we were an english speaking nation and all these folks came from ireland and italy and eastern europe we had one culture, one tradition, one history, one language. we don't any more. megyn: so we are a melting pot. even if there are more blacks than there are whites or more hispanics than there are whites we are still going to speak english, be americans, have a melting pot of society. >> half the people in los angeles speak another language other than english in their own home. they are not being taught in

schools the history that we were taught, that this is a great and moral country. everybody basically followed this. we have people fighting with each other over issues of morality, and right and wrong and coming to detest and disspies each other. right to life, we had 50 million killed, is that a right to rights? the things we had that pulled us together, that pulled that immigrant country together and made it one nation under eisenhower and kennedy are dissipating and dispeering even as we are becoming more and more diverse. megyn: let me ask you about the economics of it. because you talk about that as well. you say you were similarly pessimistic during the carter years but then you felt better. >> you had ronald reagan come in that's right and you were concerned about foreign policy. the soviet union was on the move

in afghanistan, iraq, and central america. reagan came in, he healed the economic crisis. then by standing tall and maintaining our strength we won the cold war, the soviet union collapsed. last ten years we've lost 6 million manufacturing jobs and 55,000 factories, one-third of our manufacturing base gone off to china. now everybody is talking about manufacturing. any of them got any real ideas how to bring those factories back? megyn: santorum says no tax at all on manufacturers. >> santorum is right on that. where would he get the money from that. he should put a 20 to 30% tariff of all manufactured goods coming into the united states. raise the cost of foreign goods and reduce the cost of american goods. megyn: thank you. the book is "suicide of a super power." a plane is forced to land in

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join by ice director john morton. he told officials they have a lot of discretion when it comes to deciding whether or not to deport illegals, quote, ice officers, agents and attorneys should consider all factors including but not limited to the person's length of presence in the unit united states. the ties to the community. jeff ses ons says the change in policy are ruining morale among ice officers. and there was the no vote of confidence against john morton issued this summer. >> when you hear this kind of comment and votes of no confidence, i've never heard of that. you should be paying real attention to them, not rolling your eyes at them. >> i'm not rolling my eyes. what i'm suggesting is that results matter here. and priorities really matter. and that the results reflect the

priorities we have set. these are priorities that are consistent with prior administrations. >> reporter: janet napolitano testified today that there are roughly 10 million people here illegal lie who should be deported. the dhs only has the resources to deport about 400,000 a year so they have to pick and choose who gets sent home. megyn: thank you. ratcheting up the rhetoric, the vice president getting fired up again after republicans suggest the president's jobs bill is a temporary fix. >> it's not temporary to the guy whose store is being held up and there is a gun pointed at ace head, if a cop shoeups an shows up and he's not killed, that is not temporary to that store owner. give me a break. megyn: wait until you hear what the vice president said right after that. it's the focus of our debate three minutes away. plus major developments today in the baby lisa investigation.

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megyn: update for you on our top story today, a brand-new search taking place for lisa irwin, and it is at her house. the now 11-month-old missing for two weeks. police and dogs, not to mention the f.b.i. at the home of baby lisa today searching the grounds. they actually got the air space restricted over the house so there could be no aerial shots we understand during the search. we saw investigators pull several items out of the house. they showed up with shovels, rakes, and are digging near a shed, and what looks like a garage in the family's backyard. they have a bomb truck on the site. the police told us there was no explosive threat. some of the trucks have x-ray equipment. we have not confirmed that that is what is being used. in about 15 minutes, less than that, actually we will speak with a security consultant, a private investigator who has spent more time with lisa's parents than anyone since the case broke. he will tell us why you should not rush to judgment in this

case. for the second time in a week vice president joe biden finds himself defending the president's jobs plan with an example that is causing some folks to cringe. >> everything i've heard from anyone owe proceedings this whole jobs bill is that this is just temporary. let me till you, it's not temporary when that 911 call comes in, a woman is being raped, and a cop shows up to prevent the rape. it's not temporary to the guy whose store is being held up and a gun is pointed to the clerk's head and a cop shows up and he's not killed, that is not temporary to that store owner. give me a break temporary. megyn: mr. biden claiming if the bill is not passed we can expect an increase of rapes and murders nationwide. why his passion is clear some say he should reword the

message. joining me now is fox news contributor monica crowley. and democratic strategist and founder of the tara dardill group, tara dardill. >> he is also invoking these over the top met for toss make his case. the reason they have to resort to this is this administration has added $4 trillion to the national debt. they had an initial stimulus, a couple hundred billion dollars here and there they have no other argument to make for the joe-called jobs bill which is another half a trillion dollars except to try into still fear and all kinds of upset in the american people in order to get it done. megyn: the argument is also guilt on those who oppose it that you may have rape victims to respond to, or the blood of robbery victims on your hand if you don't support the president's job plan, is that

fair? >> i think joe biden, as you said earlier is very passionate and he shoots from the hip. the majority of americans do support this provision, so it's not a question of having to convince americans. 63%, a number two to one support this particular provision,. megyn: why does he have to talk about it in these terms? >> joe biden, remember this is his big issue. he wrote and sponsored the violence against women act. he's talked in these terms before. megyn: struck down by the u.s. supreme court. >> it's a very high top he can for him, he celebrated the 17th anniversary of it next month. megyn: there is no question he is against violence against women, he doesn't want rapes or robberies. e suggestion is you will be responsible for rape and robberies if you oppose the bill. too much? >> i think he could have reworded it a bit better. he is very passionate. we are in an economic crisis. during these times spousal abuse is on the rise, child abuse is on the rise. to take the bigger picture here, to take police off the streets

is not a good thing to do in this environment not now, that's what this bill is about, keeping those people on the job. >> let's remember this is what the first trillion dollar stimulus was all about was mostly built on transfer payments to local and state governments to keep the government sector -- megyn: let me give the vires the numbers on that. february 17th 2009 stimulus one passed. more than 150 billion went to the states and then august 2010 another 26 billion went to the states to save the jobs of police, teachers and others. they said it would help keep the communities safe. so we have done this. >> what do awful the things have in common? union, government sector unions that are largely huge democrat constituent sees. the first trillion dollar stimulus plus all these additional spending bills that have come down the pike here. a couple of hundred billion dollars here are transfer payments to state and local

governments. the raises the bigger issue, the state governments and federal government are all in this box not able to perform the services that government should perform, like the police and firefighting because government spending has got even so out of control on stuff that the government should not be involved in. megyn: there is talk about over inflated pensions for some educators, police, firefighters, people who retired and these big, big numbers so that the actual on the duty cops and on the duty firefighters can't get paid, and are getting laid off because they have to support the big pensions of those. those are all deals that the fat cat bureaucrats agreed to when bargaining with the unions. is it the fault of people who want to reign in spending that the firefighters, cops and teachers are going to be laid off if we don't give them another government bail out? >> megyn you make a good point. there are some egregious examples out there but the overwhelming majority of teachers, the average salary is very low for the rank-and-file across this country, for the rank-and-file police officer

across the country. the bigger picture is in a seven-month period when lehman bros. collapsed we lost $11 trillion in real estate and stock market wealth. that's people's home values. for the last 30 years see have seen income and equality in this country go to a massive rate where people on the top are making all the money and people, working class people, poor people, mid class people are not making the money that they need. there was a time in this country -- megyn: what does that mean that the people have to support the president's jobs plan now because there has been an inequity in terms of income in this country. >> for 30 years. megyn: you've got 150 billion in february. 26billion in 2010? where does it stop? >> it does seem excessive to the point where they said this is temporary. it is temporary. it's a temporary bridge to help us make it through aol the private sector can pick up more of the slack. remember right now federal government, the state and local government are the ones making most of the layoffs. the private sector has created jobs for the past several months. >> state and local governments unlike the federal government

can't print money. they have to operate in the confines of a budget. the bigger question is, you know there are two parts to the equation, right? we're talking about cutting spending and these governments really have to reign in their own budgets because they can't get blood from a stone, but the other part of the equation is pro growth. getting real growth policies in place so that the economy as a whole is growing, and therefore you get more tax revenue coming in to state, local and federal government to support firefighters and police officers and so on, pro growth is the key. megyn: i'll give the vice president this, he got us talking about it. thank you both so much. new details on a courthouse break in that sparked a bomb scare and terror alert. five men of moroccan decent taken away in handcuffs. wait until you hear what investigators are saying about the incident now. you will not believe this one. investigators taking out items from the home of little lisa irwin's parents. a new search taking place right now. coming up next we will speak with the man who has spent more time with lisa's parents than anyone since this case first broke.

>> this is a search warrant that should have been sought and executed a longtime ago. it probably wasn't until our very astute colleague megyn kelly interviewed these people and the police saw that interview. >> the police should have conducted the kind of interview that megyn conducted two weeks ago. these dogs wake up too early!

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time with lisa's parents than anyone has since the case first broke. you were hired by an independent benefactor with ties to the family, not to the parents, loose ties to the family, you said go in there and find the truth. i don't believe she is innocent, they are innocent, they are guilty, go find the truth. and you went in not knowing. in the past two weeks you've done your own investigation. you believe these parents had nothing to do with the disappearance with little lisa, why, bill? >> at this time, let me stress that, at this time i could be led down a different path and i would change my position, but right now my focus is outside the home. and quite simple, some things i can talk about, some things i cannot. let's talk about the things i can. let's go to the timeline. everybody is throwing these fanciful theories about this happened, that happened. let's switch it. you tell me how they did it and let's talk about it and see if that holds water. the father did it, the mother

did it. if they did do it, and were in collusion how did they extract the child. did they sell the child, murder the child, where did they put the child? let's talk about it that way. it gets a lot harder. megyn: that is the question as we watch police and f.b.i. and dogs searching the family home and looking in the backyard and in this shed that i saw when i was out there just on sunday. it was completely open and exposed and available for anybody to go into, or come near. what do you think, that they now believe maybe that the baby was disposed of in the shed, or in the backyard? haven't they been over this ground, bill? >> again, i'm not going to second-guess the kcpd. i'm sure they did that. i would have run their phone bill, people are saying maybe she has a lover that nobody knows about. well it's a fair bet that that would have come up on the cell bill, whether incoming or outgoing calls, do you agree? they would go down that line. megyn: let's talk about the timeline. she told the police this the

beginning of this case she last saw little lisa they put her down at 10:30. i spoke to her on sunday. she changed the timeline and told me she put her down at 6:40 and cannot remember whether she went back and saw her ever after that, including 10:30. that is a clear change in story. why did she do that? >> i'm not defending her, i'm just looking at the facts. what does the change of timeline do? what difference does it make. megyn: it gives investigators another four hours of investigation time they need to look into it. >> it gives the investigators four hours. she was in the home and there were people at the home with her. megyn: when your child let's stolen, you know every detail is critical. when the police say to you, when did you last see her? you know it's important to be honest, you know, i had some drinks, i put her down at 6:40, i can't be sure i went and checked on her before i went to bed at 10:30. she told the police and media, i last saw her at 10:30, that's

when i put her down for the last time, then she reversed that. >> you know what happens? again i don't want to be in a position of defending her, i'm just theorizing. you misspeak, you second-guess, you third guess yourself. i don't think -- megyn: a battery of investigationers are questioning her. >> for hours and hours and hours, her friends, herself, she is questioning herself. we've never been in that position. it is scary. let's accept the fact that she is innocent for one minute, and her child is missing, and you have this battery, as you said, f.b.i., kcpd, myself, other people, friends, family, people, media are questioning her, you tend to get tphofs nervous and tend to misspeak. when every syllable is hinged upon, oh, my gosh -- megyn: you have spent so much time with this couple and you had no loyalty to them. >> and i still don't. megyn: you still don't. what are your impressions in private moments when there are no media or police around, what

are they like? do you see jean eun concern in do you see what appears to be sadness and concern and worry about their daughter. >> the biggest mistake is to put your imprint, what you would do. we've never tha been in that position. we don't know how we would react, you think you do but you don't. you see hem laugh at a little thing, oh, they are laughing. guess what, how many days? tears eventually stop. and then tears start and then they talk. it's very tough to judge. and i will stick by my statement, at this time i am looking outside the home. i do not believe at this time that it came from inside -- this crime was committed from inside the home. megyn: there was a moment i want to tell our viewers about between you and me and the mother, deborah bradley when i was interviewing the parents where you wanted to see a picture of my baby girl who is six months old and i took out my iphone and showed it to you. the mother wasn't in the room, but she walked in the room while i was showing it to you. and i went and put away.

and you turned to her and said you want to see the picture, megyn has a six-month old. and i said i'm sure you don't want to look at that. and she said she would be happy to. she said she looks like you, we had a nice exchange about it. it was somebody who was able to care about a mother-child relationship. it doesn't mean whether she was guilty or innocent, but it was a moment. >> you do see those moments. here is the biggest thing that caught me. i told them, i looked them in the eye, i am not here for you. whatever i find, wherever this takes me i'm going. if you're guilty and it leads me to lock you up i'm going to do it. megyn: and they still cooperated. >> and they are still cooperating. megyn: bill stanton comeback soon, we appreciate it. all the best sir. megyn: will do. breaking news in los angeles where they just slapped handcuffs on lindsay lohan after a court hearing. we'll be back with that and what the judge told her. a man says he uploaded an app to

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happening right now in los angeles. actress lindsay lohan just had handcuffs slapped on her in an l.a. courtroom. watch this. >> unless you have some sort of stipulation -- megyn: here we go. the 25-year-old was charged with violating her probation. the judge ordered her placed under arrest until she can post a $100,000 bond. then get this. she has been told she now has to serve community service in the los angeles county morgue. her failure to do some earlier community service at a women's

shelter is the reason why she was hit with this probation violation. unbelievable. well it's an app called find my friends and it's growing in popularity with iphone users so people can see where her friends are at all times. a new york man said he discovered his wife was cheating on him, trace gallagher has the story. >> reporter: this guy apparently it's called find my friends, you said, and they billed it as a great way to tr-bg and meet up with friends, a little bit skraoep pea for my taste, though i'm not running around doing nefarious things. if you agree to be followed that's what happens, and everywhere you grow it will pinpoint precisely where you are to within three feet. well, of course they found ways to use this. in different ways. there is an online form called mac rumors, which some guy, we cannot independently verify his story is legit, he lives in new york city and thanks to the

iphone4s he discovered his wife cheating. he says, quote, i got my wife a new iphone4s. i've had suspicions about her meeting this guy who lives uptown. low and behold find my friends has her right there. i just texted her requesting where she was and the dumb blank said, and i'm quoting, she was on 10th street. he goes onto say, thank you apple, thank you apple store, thank you all. there it is right there. we don't know if this is true but this thing will really pinpoint wherever you are, if you're not doing what you should be doing, turn it off. megyn: who is posting that stuff online? who is like saying, i caught my wife cheating online? any way. you know what this could be helpful, speaking of missing children, you make your child carry this thing around. maybe it could be use ford that kind of thing. >> reporter: exactly, okay. megyn: pollster doug shoen sent his team to wall street to poll these proceed tersers. it will challenge every

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megyn: we just got off the phone with police about why they are of the house are little baby lisa irwin was last seen. i'm megyn kelly. police and the fbi execute a search warrant at the irwin home outside kansas city, missouri. lisa's parents claim an intruder took their daughter from her crib in the middle of the night. now decks are looking for -- now detectives are looking for anything to move the case forward after they have done this before. trace gallagher just spoke with the police in kansas city. what did you learn? >> reporter: the police say

the reason they got this search warrant is because the parents now have a new attorney. but the attorney said they didn't need the search warrant because they have had unfettered access to this home. he is accusing the police department of whining and saying the spokesman for the kansas city police department is making ridiculous statements saying the parents will not cooperate. so we called the police. they won't comment. but they point to what they have said on the record which is the parents are unable to answer questions that only they can answer and they have refused to sit down with police and talk about this case on their terms. as for the search itself. it's going on in the backyard. you talk about that shed you were at. they are digging in and around that shed and piling up the dirt. they also have the bomb squad on the scene. the reason the bomb squad is

there is because they have better equipment that can allow them to better investigate this house. they have blocked out the entire area. they set up a compound. there is a no-fly zone over that to keep the pryingize of television helicopters away from that scene in effect for the remainder of the day. the parents are not allowed anywhere near the property right now. they could be there all day. remember to get a search warrant you need a judge to sign off on that. we asked if they are look for anything specific inside or outside the house, they wouldn't comment. but remember there was a possible sighting of baby lisa yesterday in kansas. that turned out to be dead end it was not baby lisa. megyn: if they find something there, of what use will it be in any sort of prosecution. the house stan garage have been accessible by anyone the last few weeks. my crew and i were there sunday walking around, on the scene,

look at things, touching things. it was openly accessible. so we'll see what happens. trace, thank you. fbi, police, bomb units. a no-fly zone. have you ever heard of that because they don't want the media to have aerials? does all this seem excessive? or are there new clues we are unaware of. "kelly's court" has more qulawg the parents told me when i asked why they didn't want to go back into the house. wait until you hear what the mom says about that house. the fbi investigating a possible terror threat in texas that is starting to look like a prank. it started with five foreign nationals accused of breaking into a courthouse. investigators say three men were found inside the building. two others outside. documents found inside that

vehicle including 90-day visas and masks and cell phones. but some of the video shows them wearing sombreros and waving around a gavel. a judge says it looks like they may have been some guys on a prank. the president winding up a 3-day bus tour pushing his jobs plan. earlier he was at a military facility where he townltd his jobs bill geared towards veterans. >> i challenge them to hire or train 100,000 post-9/11 veterans or their spouses by the end of 2013. [applause] and now just a few months later thanks to the many extraordinary companies here today, we are already a quarter of the way there. megyn: he talked a lot about his

jobs bill, making a speech about every two days. ed henry is live in chesterfield, virginia. ed, you get to go along on those speeches. >> reporter: not too bad. we heard this pitch many times before it's no secret the president has been struggling somewhat to sell this jobs bill. he hasn't been able to get it through a chamber of commerce so far. so not just going to a military base to push a popular piece of the bill, trying to hire military veterans. but also bringing out the first lady for the first time on any of these jobs bills. she is more popular than he is. look at this poll in august. the president's favorability 54%. first lady 70% favorability. only 24% unfavorable. but when you get beyond that the

broader pitch on jobs is one we have heard before. take a listen. >> some of i probably know that last month i extent congress a piece of legislation called the american jobs act. it's a bill that fully paid for and filled with the kind of proposals that traditionally democrats and republicans have supported in the past. tax cuts for every work and small business in america. >> reporter: he hasn't gone the much traction on capitol hill. the white house is banking on the fact that the leaders won't want to go home without a jobs bill. they say they will get nowhere near the $470 billion he was pushing. megyn: when it comes to jobs they seem to be doing okay in washington, d.c. washington, d.c. edging out the

silicon valley with the typical household pulling in $84,000 a year. the average federal worker earning north of the $124,000 in salary and benefits. just to put that in perspective. the average national needan income was at 50,000. the occupy wall street crowd claim they are the 99% of americans shut out by wall street greed. some new polling done by doug schoen. in interviews with 200 protesters. all but a few actually have jobs. their stated goal? nothing short of take down america's capitalist system. doug, all right. what did you do, who did you poll, what did you conclude? >> we did -- a senior

researchers interviewed a random sample of 198 occupy squall street protesters to find out what they think and how they feel about what's going on. we found that they are out of step with ordinary americans. they support redistribution of income, tax on the wealthy, taxes on nobody else. broad based social programs to redistribute through guaranteed annual incomes, employment, healthcare programs, no matter what the cost. regulation of the economy, and more protectionist policies. basically a refutation of capitalist policies. megyn: your data says 4% say they favor that. how do you have apply that label to the entire group. >> reporter: that was one of the priorities of the people. i said the overarching policy views of the group i interviewed

was radical redistribution. it may not be their highest goal, theyed a voaf kate and what they believe is best for america. 21% of the people we surveyed said they are repro aggressive values, single favorite healthcare, dismantling capital i. and redistributing wealth. they are hard core leftists. megyn: you conclude it's a danger for president obama and nancy pelosi to be aligning themselves with this group and promoting them and praising them. why? >> america is a center-right country. if the democrats throw in so closely with a group whose values are not those of swing voters they will be dangerously out of step with the broad base of american opinion which the congressional elections rebut and refuted the obama policies and endorsed small government.

megyn: a couple interesting findings were would you support the use of violence to achieve your goals. 31% said yes. they say violence all good. >> 98% said they endorsed civil disobedience. 31% suggest violence. up worry if the political party i support moves that far to the left to embrace an approach to politics and ideology that's out of step. megyn: 71% want more regulation. 65% agree government has a moral responsibility to guarantee healthcare, education and a secure retirement. >> no matter what the cost. my attitude is if you support those policies, and they are reasonable policies. i think they are unafeerbled and wrong headed in this climate. that the democratic party could be pulled too far left and hurting the president and

hurting our congressional candidates. megyn: later on "america live." the danger for democrats in 2012 in embracing these wall street protesters. police and specially trained dogs are searching the home of missing baby lisa irwin. does this seem excessive? or are there new clues we are not aware of? plus the search for lions, tigers, bears, a monkey in ohio. jack hanna on the big game hunt in a residential area. the verbal sparring match between mitt romney and rick perry. we'll speak to both camps right after this break. >> mitt, you lose all of your standing from my perspective because you hiferred illegals. and the idea you stand here buffers and talk about that you are strong on immigration is on

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megyn: philadelphia police say a fourth person is under arrest in a horrific crime where four mentally disabled people were found chained up in a payments. police say the four adults were held so their cap towards could cash in their social security check. the latest arrest is of the daughter of the alleged ring leader of the scheme. she was convicted of suffering a man to death 20 years ago. to the campaign trail and sparks flying over immigration at the gop debate in las vegas last night. >> mitt, you lose all your

standing from my perspective because you hired illegals in your home and you knew about it for a year. and the idea stand before us and talk about you are strong on immigration is on its face the height of hypocrisy. >> we went to the company and said we can't have any illegals work on our property. megyn: mitt romney squaring off with rick perry on immigration. an issue that followed mr. romney since day one. critics say he has been flip flopping on this issue. so we wanted to challenge both camps on this. we'll speak to a representative from the romney campaign. that's a very interesting exchange between the two candidates. it wound up talk over each other and your guy put his hand on rick perry. many people thought it was going to come to blows. he has been criticized by

governor perry for talk out of both sides his mouth because perry accused romney of hiring illegal immigrants or hiring a firm that hired them years ago. true or not? >> the facts are as governor romney pointed out. like a lot of people, he hired a landscaping and they hired a few people who were illegal. governor romney didn't know about it. when he found out about it, he warned them. when they failed to correct the situation, he fired them. governor perry i think is more than willing to change the subject to anything other than his own position on illegal immigration which has been causing him to sink in the polls. two points, megyn to points out. governor perry likes to talk about his jobs record. 40% of all the new jobs in the last four years have gone to illegal immigrants in the state of texas. another thing he likes to say -- megyn: illegals or immigrants.

>> to illegal immigrants. 40% over the last four years. then the other statistic which i found shock. governor perry likes to believe nobody has done more to protect the border than him. if you look at the three states most affected by the border, florida, texas, and california, california and florida have been a push when it comes to increasing illegal immigration. in texas illegal immigration has increased 60%. i'm sure that governor perry is going to wants to change the subject on this any way possible. megyn: your guy when he was talking about this, romney came out and said i went to them and said i wouldn't hire illegals. i'm running for office, for pete's sake. people are saying why is that the reason? why isn't the reason i don't

believe in hiring illegal immigrants >> he doesn't believe in hiring illegal immigrants period. of course, if you are running for office of any kind you are certainly not going to hire illegal immigrants, period. that's governor romney was expressing some frustration at the ridiculousness of the charge. megyn: i have got to go to your counterpart. thanks for being here. next time we'll do it. joining me now is ray sullivan. senior advisor to the perry campaign. i want to get your response to russ' guy romney putting hands on 0 governor perry in this exchange. watch it. >> i'm look forward to finding your facts on that. >> i'll tell watt facts are. >> i'm speaking. >> i'm speaking. >> you get 30 seconds.

that's the way the rules work. i get 60 seconds and then you get 30 seconds to respond. megyn: what do you make of it? >> governor romney does not like being held accountable for his record an doesn't like having that flip-floppy nature of his record and rhetoric exposed. politics is a full contact sport. these primaries and issues are important. but the fact is if you look at december 4, 2007 boston globe head lines. "lawn work at romney's home still done by illegal immigrants." this was the day after he was demagoguing this issue at a presidential debate in 2007. megyn: he said once i found out they were hiring illegals i got rid of the contractor. is that worse than governor perried a voaf kaight in-state

tuition for illegal immigration? >> what is a magnet is people coming to this country to get jobs. mitt romney hired a company that hired illegal immigrants to clean his tennis court. when he found out about it, it took him a whole year to fire that company. we provide in-state tuition payments if they have lived in the state for three years and graduated from a texas school. it is very different from hiring illegal immigrants to come and clean your tennis court and rake your lawn and take an entire year before you dismiss that company for bad behavior. megyn: you describe romney as coming across as petulant. why? >> i think anyone who watches the exchange. he was clearly rocked back on his heels. he's clearly not used to being held accountable for that change

at drop of a hat record and hiring illegal immigrants the clean his tennis courts and his lawn when he has been demagoguing that issue for many weeks now.

megyn: deputies armed he wild ans that escaped from a preserve after the owner opened their cages, then committed suicide. jack hanna is the director of the columbus zoo and aquarium. he joins us live. they tracked down virtually all of the animals? what remains at large? >> my understanding a woistles at large and a monkey is at

large. it's cold now and raining. i'm not worried about the cat. if a wolf comes around, don't pettitte. the mountain lion was found in someone's backyard and the bear was found down in the woods as well. they are burying them on the property right now. and we have taken three leopards, a grizzly bear and several cats up to the columbus zoo where we'll house them until legally we know what to do. megyn: how did we get to the situation where some guy is caretaking these animals and leads to a situation where he endangers the lives of human beings as well as these poor animals? >> ohio has a weak law concerning what people own here. that's as of last night. there are meeting as we speak. we had a law passed by governor

strickland. and governor kasich formed a committee when he took office. everyone wants to know why didn't they stop him? there wasn't any law to stop him. he owned the animal. we are working to shut count animal auctions. and then we'll start inspecting people like this. if they don't meet the cry teariast new law, then the animal has to be con cities skated. megyn: why did they have to shoot and kill so many of these escaped animals? >> i have asked that question 100 times. no one loves animals more than me. if you saw the bodies of the animals being buried you would get emotional. but no human being has lost his life. the sheriff did we had to do. these animals are streaming down out of his place.

30-40 of them. lions, tigers, leopards, wolves. some of them had to draw their handguns, they were coming at them. there are neighbors next to me. it's only up a mile up the road. can you imagine if those animals had left there. who knows what would have happened today. i couldn't even tell what you would have happened. it's a terrible thing that happened. you cannot tranquilize the animals. we tried to do that with a tiger. they had to shoot the tiger. when you tranquil ies an animal he doesn't just lay down. the animals would have hidden. you put them to sleep, you don't know where they would have go and you woand up killing the animals anyway. megyn: the blame isn't on the sheriff, it's on this terry

thompson, the man who did this. >> right. i'll tell what you i think happened. here is a man who just got out of prison. i understand his wife might have left. he came back home. saw the poor condition the animals lived in. he saw what was happening. out of prison, no wife. he opened the doors, cut the fence, let the animals out. and then committed suicide. that's my personal opinion for what it's worth. megyn: what will happen to the animals that have been recovered. >> they are at columbus zoo. we'll find out legally what we can do with the animals. megyn: i speak for all americans when i say i'm glad you are there helping handle this. brand-new developments on a possible terror threat in texas where foreign nationals stand accused of trying to break into a courthouse. we are live with a bizarre twist

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megyn: a bizarre story we have been tracking about a possible terror attack in texas that's start technology look like a prank. they are accused 6 break into the bexar county courthouse. now a judge says surveillance video shows some of these then wearing sombreros in the courthouse waving around the gavel, having a good time. catherine herridge is live in washington with this one. >> reporter: the more you know the more it seems to be unraveling. i have spoken with four source involved in this investigation or tracking this investigation. what they told me is there is no nexus or connection to terrorism. there was nothing that in their words was blinking red. they confirm there are 5 individuals involved.

they were not inside the united states illegally. and they are going questioned by the fbi and the joint terrorism task force. it was relatively routine because they were foreign nationals. and the jttf looks at their travel history and whether they are inside this country legally. clearly what has people's attention is how bizarre this is. these five moroccans breaking into a sort house in and scene tone ohio -- in san antonio, ncts middle of the night. but i'm told the police are looking into the possibility these individuals may have been drunk and they were in one of the court rooms with sombreros on waving the gavel. that would seem to connect up. at this point we don't seem to have a connection to terrorism.

megyn. megyn: questions about how the white house and top democrats are lending new support to the wall street protests. pollster doug schoen sent a research crew to interview a few hundred of the folks last week. 200, and found 30% surveyed said violence was a-ok by them when it comes to wing on their goals. the president last night said he felt bad that these folks felt disconnected from their leaders. >> i said i understand the frustrations that are being expressed in those protests. in some ways they are not that different from some of the protests that we saw coming from the tea party. both on the left and the right. i think people feel separated from their government. they feel their institutions aren't looking out for them. megyn: simon rosenberg and rich

lowry, editor of the national revue and fox news country but tiewsh. -- fox news contributor. he says what he found is nearly one-third of those surveyed would support violence to advance their agenda. you have the president situation said. nancy pelosi saying quote, god bless them. is there a political risk? >> absolutely. i don't think doug shows results are that surprising. if you look and see yourself and talk to these people, it's a hard left fringe. "new york" magazine did a survey and found the same sort of rejection of our system in a lot of their attitudes. there is a danger of democrats getting too close to these people. there are is a lot of legitimate

economic discontent out there but this is not a legitimate expression of it. if democrats hitch their wagon to this they will regret it, i believe. megyn: the controversy after he rises when you have the president and nancy pelosi and other top democrats. saying god bless them when they have had 700 arrests and one-third favoring violence as an achieve to the their goals. >> there have been many, many years incredible discontent of the american electorate on both sides. you saw the republicans swept from office in 2006-2008. you saw the democrats swept from office in 2010. the big question is who's got the best plan with a reasonable chance of make it for the country. megyn: you are not answering my question. you worked for a moderate

democrat, bill clinton. he seems to be saying -- trying to speak for the moderate wing of the democratic party, don't do this, president obama and nancy pelosi, we can make our points to independents without tying ourselves to the folks who say the government should pay for everything and if we don't get it we are going to get violent. >> i think a poll of 200 people sitting in a park at any one time is hard to draw huge conclusions about this fashion fashion -- from this national movement. i think doug should sb ashamed of what he has done. 60% of the american people support what the people in the occupy wall street are doing. i think the key thing is where there is common ground in both parties is there is incredible discontent with the way the economy is playing out in the united states. we are having a big debate about it in the both parties and i think the he flexion 2012 will

evolve around who has the bet sister solution. i disagree with doug, and i think he should be ashamed of himself gear he has done. >> he shouldn't be ashamed. he had a researcher talk to these people. these are representative views. we have a reporter going down with a camera almost every day and coming out with videos that would set your hair on fire. this is a hard left fringe. you have to make a couple distinctions. people out in the country you ask them about the wall street protests they say we like that. because all they know about it is it's anti-wall street. but if you dig down into this movement. it's not just doug schoen's result. look the declaration of the occupation of new york city which was adopted by the general assembly in that park. it needed 90% of everyone participating to agree on these statements. it talks about corporations perpetuating colonialism and suppressing free speech and

torturing animals. it's a fringe agenda down in that park there will be is no doubt about it and democrats would be fool toish embrace it. bill clinton never in a million years would have done it. >> last week when i was on your show rich even kurngd your -- rich even -- rich encouraged your viewers. i have the clip on my web site. tie know what i said. you are confusing two things. >> you were praising them last week to now going after them. you changed your position. >> if you look at tumbler page. ordinary people out there, a lot of them talking about the economic struggles which the president has failed to fix it's quite moving. you talk to the hard-core of leftist protests and activist and it's totally different. simon, go like the up. they have a declaration they

adopted by consensus and it's a hard left fringe agenda that will set your hair on fire. please inform yourself. megyn: i'm hoping what we talked about them protesting the high price of movie tickets takes hold. $15 for a movie ticket. i accept. thank you both. president obama making live remark right now on his jobs plan at a fire station in north chesterfield, virginia. we are streaming his remarks live on foxnews.com if you care to take a listen. if fire, police and bomb units and no-fly zone over the home of missing maybey lisa irwin. what do the police know about this shed in the backyard and the home in general that we are unaware of? "kelly's court" investigates next. it lead into a computer room.

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megyn: a new search at the families home in the case of missing baby lisa irwin. police digging up the back yafortd house where she was last seen. look for clues of what happened to this beautiful baby girl who vanished two weeks ago. her parents claim an intruder took the baby from the house in the middle of the night. now police got a search warrant for the house to which the mother said she never wants to return. is it true you never want to move back into your house? >> i don't. >> i kind of do. >> we have gone down the road to pick up the mail. we call it the omen house.

megyn: joining me is lis weihl and mark eiglarsh. they got a search warrant because they lawyered up which there is nothing wrong with la guardia up. i would, too, if i were innocent and the police are accusing me the way they are accuse her. they went to get a search warrant because she lawyered up even those lawyer said i never said they couldn't go. they had carte blanche to go on the property. >> they had to have something specific to get that warrant. something that moved the investigation forward. they had to have specific new details of a crime. i'm not saying that's a crime that the mother perpetrate. it could be that it is a crime scene. so all i'm saying is that it could be a crime scene in the sense it's a stranger abduction. it could be a crime scene in the sense they suspect the mother. but they needed new evidence that would bring them forward. i don't buy it when the subpoena

is saying they could have come to me and gone the the consent. the defense lawyer. no. i mean, if they wanted to do that they could have. he could have given consent. they didn't need a warrant if they had consent. megyn: the police said we wanted to cross every "t." judge napolitano was on fox news saying the new evidence could have bent interview the parents gave to fox news where the mother changed her story on the time line. for two weeks she said she put the baby down at 10:30. then sunday she told me that wasn't the case. she can't remember if she looked at her baby after 6:40. she got asked a lot of things. investigators asking over and over, maybe that's why she changed her story. what do you make of it? >> i saw the investigator's

interview. if she is not guilty, she is doing a phenomenal job of looking guilty. i'm not saying she doesn't deter of the presumption of innocence. your interview didn't change my mind about it moved my further along towards this doesn't seem right. the most compelling part was the cell phones and the baby were taken. just those two items. those item that could harm her case. but when you asked her whether she called the cell phone, i'm a father of three. in god forbid one of my precious offspring were ever tang i wouldn't wait for -- ever taken, i would get on that cell phone and commit illegal acts. >> you are bringing in your maturity, what you would do, your situation to a young woman who is frightened, who thinks that the cops are out to get her from day one. who is embarrassed about her

drink which she admitted to megyn. megyn: could this be the case? everybody rushes in the media to condemn her. could it be that the baby was taken from this house? this mother is innocent ther. the father is innocent. she was embarrassed because she was drunk. she put the baby down at 6:40 and never went to check on her again. she system bairsd because on that particular night her child got stolen. >> i don't understand that because i'm with mark. my mind goes to i don't care. i don't care if i was running around like a crazy person. i would say everything that i did that night, everything. because all would i care about is my child. megyn: you went to harvard. around sophisticated woman. no offense to this young mother. she is young and she is not

sophisticated. i want to get mark to react to that same question and we'll do it after this break. stay with me. . your doctor will say get smart about your weight. that's why there's new glucerna hunger smart shakes. they have carb steady, with carbs that digest slowly to help minimize blood sugar spikes. [ male announcer ] new glucerna hunger smart. a smart way to help manage hunger and diabetes.

megyn: whatever that theory that she was lying the first time when she said she put her down at 10:40? >> i could make that argument as a defense lawyer in court where i don't believe there is proof beyond a reasonable doubt. and in the court of public opinion i can make it without being intellectually dishonest at all. she is 25 years old and allegedly has a drink problem if she is drink together points of passing out. there are reasons why a polygraph would show deception when someone is not lying. you can go to every single fact and explain it the other way

which makes this case intrigue. megyn: they are saying the f.b.i. on the scene, the police are searching the house, look at this shed in the backyard. and they say that they cut out the air space. they don't want people seeing -- here is me walk count driveway shoag you this shed and the garage. they are using dogs in the procedure that they don't want us to see. >> i think it's a little bit of overkill that they are not allowing planes to fly over. it's got to be something -- they must have some thoughts of evidence, some kind of forensics, either lisa is still there or evidence of her being there. and they have got dogs for that. they also have been taking out plastic bags and brown paper bags. they haven't told us what's in those. but they have been taking evidence out from the search.

megyn: it's been there for two weeks. if they find something and they want to intro diets in court will be problematic if anyone has had access. i want to ask you this. we showed the videotape of the mom in the store buying the wine. she said the far it was baby sitting the kids when she was getting that wine. they are wondering why the father isn't the microscope. the police accuse him suggesting the two hours he was hope that evening he did something. what does that tell you? they are ausing everyone. >> i don't know if they are accuse everyone but they don't exclude anyone. and that what's they should do. let's assume this does go to court. the defense argument we are hearing you are focusing on mama, baby lisa and that's

improper. so they have to include everybody. >> he was already questioned. megyn: we'll be right back. i'm not a number.

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