>> sean: sparks flew last night at the g.o.p. presidential primary debate in las vegas, nevada. now, as the gloves came off, the candidates held nothing back when it came to their criticism of the president -- and each other. >> this is an example of missing -- mixing apples and oranges. the state tax is an apple. we are replacing the current tax code with oranges. i am going to be getting a bushel basket with apples and oranges because i am paying both tax. >> you don't have credibility mitt. your plan was the basis for obamacare. >> mitt, you lose all of your standing because you hired

illegals in your home and you knew about it for a year. and the idea that you stand here before us and talk about that you are strong on immigration is on its face, the height of hypocrisy. [cheers and boos]. >> governor romney? >> rick, i don't think i have ever hired an illegal in my life. i am looking forward to finding your facts on that -- >> i'll tell you what the facts are -- again. >> i'm speaking. i'm speaking. i'm speaking. you get 30 seconds -- this is the way the rules work here. >> the president of luntz global watched with a group of republican voters at the wynn las vegas resort and casino and got all of their reaction. >> reporter: sean, we have done more than a half dozen. but tonight, the fireworks flew. we have a winner here. how many of you came in here supporting newt gingrich tonight?

walked in here supporting him? three individuals walked in supporting him. how many are supporting him now? raise your hands. it is so rare that people change their minds. what was it that newt said that caused to you change your mind? >> he spoke to me and told me that we welcome everybody. everyone has an equal chance in this country. you know, my family -- we came here from vietnam as boat people. we came here to america, poor. my dad -- he spoke to me and told me na, yes, you can work hard, get an education and be successful. and it's okay. and i support that. >> reporter: congratulations on being part of the american dream. >> thank you. >> reporter: is it that newt gingrich said that you found sos and caused you to change your point of view? go ahead. >> a positive attitude. he's the only person in there i think that can run this country and make america again like the

reagan years. he is so positive. he's the smartest man on there. i say to all the republicans, give newt a chance. >> reporter: give newt a chance. >> give newt a chains. >> reporter: sounds like something john lennon would say. >> has so natural with what he says. he's not polished, it is not something he has rehearsed. it's what he believes and it comes out so clearly and honestly and witty that you believe what he says. >> reporter: it's interesting that you mention that about newt gingrich because we have one of the highest test eclipses, not only this debate, imu debate. this is newt at his best. let's take a look. >> if you want to understand how totally broken washington is, look at this model of the super committee, which now has a magic number to achieve and if it doesn't, we will have to shoot ourselves in the head so when they come back with a really dumb idea to merely cut off our right leg, we will be grateful that they are only semi-stupid

instead of being totally stupid. i found the military reform caucus. i'm a hawk, but i'm a cheap hawk. but the fact is, to say i'm going to put the security of the united states up against some arbitrary budget number is suicideally stupid. >> now you talked about newt gingrich being positive. what was it about the dynamic between mitt romney and rick perry that concerned you? >> well, number 1, they continued to fight. and it's almost as if two cats or dogs are going after each other. >> reporter: for most of this election cycle, mitt romney has been in first place. but at one point, close to perry and one point close to herman cain. first, give me a word or phrase to describe mitt romney? >> i think it's consistent. >> capable. >> polished. >> i was going to say polished. >> presidential.

>> i don't like him. >> consistent. >> rehearsed. >> slick. >> too slick. >> classy. >> reporter: you watched him battle rick perry. what won that exchange? mitt romney or rick perry? >> mitt romney. >> reporter: how many say romney? why did mitt romney win that exchange? >> he didn't bring himself down to rick perry's level. he always does that. >> he kept his composure. rick perry's face gotted distorted. >> rick perry was totally negative. >> he looked desperate. >> reporter: who? how? >> rick perry, he knows he is losing the debates and he wanted to look good so he went on the attack. >> reporter: lists take a look at one of the sharpest exchanges between the former governor of massachusetts and the current governor of texas because you did not like what you heard. >> governor perry, you say you have the experience. it's a bit like saying the

college coach who has lost 40 games in a row has the experience to go to the nfl. but the truth is, california -- i'll say it again -- california and florida have both had no increase in illegal immigration and yours is up 60% over the last 10 years. >> governor perry, 30 seconds. >> the bottom line is if we have a federal government that has failed. there is a clear problem here. he hit the nail on the head. he said there was a magnet of people that will hire illegals and you are number 1 on that list, sir. [cheers and boos]. >> people need to understand that. >> reporter: the dial collapsed. that was one of the worst showings we have had in these debates. what is it? they disagree. why were you so negative? >> i wanted to see rick perry be stronger about mitt romney, but he went about it the wrong way. >> reporter: how much stronger could he have been? >> he did it in a disrespectful

manner. some of the things he pointed out were small in nature. >> reporter: show of hands, how many of you thought rick perry was disrespectful? show of hands, how many of you were offended by the way he challenged mitt romney? so still most of you. did any of you come in here supporting rick perry and now aren't supporting rick perry because of his performance in this debate? why did you switch? >> i don't think he could hack it in the general election. he just didn't look presidential. and it's been that way in the past few debates jew switched. why? >> he looked shallow to me. and i also didn't like his cheap shot. i thought his going after mitt on the one thing about an employee, i think that was a cheap shot. it didn't help him at all. >> reporter: how many of you thought that attack on mitt romney for hiring illegal immigrants was a cheap shot, raise your hands? >> cheap shot. >> reporter: i want to make

this clear to the people at home, if it came down to mitt romney and rick perry, and those were your only two choices, how many of you in this room would vote for rick perry, raise your hands? and how many would vote for mitt romney? raise your hands. i hope they're watching. back to you. >> sean: and coming up, we'll have more with frank luntz after the break and his focus group said newt gingrich won the night last night in las vegas. the speaker will be here as my guest to talk about his showdown with mitt romney. and the president doubles down on his report of the wall street protesters, just as allegations of a rape now rock the up on cleveland movement. cleveland movement. those details and much more, [ ma annncer ] wouldn't it be cool if you took the top down on a crossover? if there were buttons for this?

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>> adequate back to "hannity." in recent week, businessman herman cain has surged to become a g.o.p. front runner and last night, his 9-9-9 plan was attacked by most of the candidates. but what do the voters think? for analysis, we go back to pollster frank lantz and his focus group. >> reporter: it's ironic that the candidate who is rising fastest is the only one who has never been elected before. how many of you would consider voting for herman cain? raise your hands.

that's incredible to me. give me a word or phrase to describe herman cain. >> everyday person. very able. best man on the ticket. >> he's right on the princes peles. >> strong business background. >> reel deal. >> accomplished. 9-9-9. >> intelligent. >> a man with a plan. >> honest and presidential. >> reporter: i appreciate your support for him. but i have to challenge you, we near tough times. this country, for many of you eye know you think it's coming apart. do you trust someone who has never actually held elective office? >> yes! >> absolutely. >> reporter: why?! >> because we have had enough of people who have been in politics. we are done with that. >> politics have gotten us into this mess. someone can help get us out. >> how many times have candidates say vote for me because i'm not a washington insider? this is a time we can really do it. >> reporter: you agree? >> yes! >> what occurrence me, he's a great person and a great

businessman. but for the highest office in the land and where we are right now in the economy, i don't know if we can take a chance. >> he's got a good business acmen, which obama never had. >> i believe that, if he is going to the presidential nominee, you have to have elected experience. >> we have a politician with no experience and we have a business person with major experience. and problem-solving skill who is calls about the politicians? >> he is going to do something. whether i agree with it or not, the 9-9-9, he's going to do something. >> in the back. >> he's intelligent enough and not quite as arrogant to believe he has the answers. he started off with advisers and trust them and listen to them. not always coming back to his own thought, feelings and perspective is. >> he's been a ceo for a company for years and years and years. he has to have the vote of the board of directors and his

employees, in order to maintain his position as ceo. >> reporter: but he's never been a governor, he's never been a senator. he's never been a mayor. never been a member of congress. >> doesn't matter. >> reporter: why doesn't it matter? >> because he talks straight to us. he tells us the truth. >> reporter: what did you just say? >> he says what's on his mind. >> reporter: bruce? >> he has a very specific plan and it's very simple. he's able to talk about it and i haven't heard the other people -- they talk about the 52-point plan and this plan and that plan. he's the fwy who has come out and said, this is what i am going to do. >> reporter: hand me a dial, please. you have seen this technology. we have been using it on fox for several years. i want you to watch just how high herman cain dials on this language about the economy. let's take a look. >> the reason that our plan is being attacked so much is

because lobbyists, accountsants, politicians, they don't want to throw out the current tax code and put in something simple and fair. they want to continue to be able to manipulate the american people with a 10 million-word mess. let's throw out the 10 million-word mess and put in our plan, which will liberate the american workers and liberate american businesses. >> reporter: he's talking about a radical very transformation oe tax code. you embrace it. doesn't it make you nervous? >> no. >> yes. >> reporter: why doesn't it? >> it's broke now. we need to get it fixed. he's got a plan. >> reporter: don't you think it could make it worse. >> yes. >> no. >> when you add a national sales tax on top of the state sales tax and a 9% tax and a corporate tax, in theory it's good. but when you open up a sales tax for the federal government. they will slowly increase it when liberals take over. >> we are going broke and we

need to make minimal changes and i think wiping out the whole tax plan is too much to take on all at once. >> reporter: go ahead. >> they are not going to implement it unless a lot of other people agree with t. there might be something that's good and something that's not. so i want to take some action. >> i think everybody should pay their fair share. the majority of americans don't pay anything in taxes and they are getting the most benefit from it. >> reporter: the last word. >> if it's a constitutional amendment that rewrites the income tax amendment because if liberals gain power like in 2009, they can't just jack up the rates. >> reporter: let's give herman cain a lot of credit. he has changed the debates. correct? >> yeah. >> reporter: everybody's talking about a tax plan, correct? >> yes. >> reporter: how many of you want to see him as the next president? raise your hand. i hope he's watching because he will be happy by the voters here

in nevada. back to you. >> sean: coming up, his poll numbers are on the rise. will the president accept his offer for a one-on-one debate? g.o.p. presidential candidate newt gingrich is next. and president obama gives a shoutout to the wall street protesters, as allegations of a brutal crime surface at one protest site. protest site. that and much more c [ telephone rings ] aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa auto repair? gary... he hung up. ...why do we have so many a's in our name? so we're listed first in the phone book. ya know, gives us an edge. you know fedex can, gives an edge. how? well, fedex ships auto parts from factories around the world, they clear em through customs, and that'll help us fix cars faster. great idea. you know you got a bright future here at aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa... [ male announcer ] supply chain solutions. fedex. solutions that matter.

>> now, according to frank luntz and his focus group, it was former speaker of the house newt gingrich what -- who came away with the win from the debate. let's take a look at the heated exchange he engagedin with former mass governor, mitt romney. >> there is a lot of big government behind romneycare, not as much as obamacare, but a heck of a lot more than your campaign is admitting. >> we got the idea of an individual mandate from you. >> that's not true -- >> we got it from you and the heritage fowndzation and from you. >> that's not true. you can not get that from me. you got it from the heritage foundation. >> you never supported. >> we have said this, that wasn't true. >> sean: despite that sparring session with romney, it was clear that speaker gingrich's main focus was president barack

obama. listen to this. >> as the nominee, i will challenge obama to meet the lincoln douglas standard of seven 3-hour debates, no time key, no moderator, only a time keeper. i believe we can defeat him decisively to a point where we re-establish a conservative america with our values. >> sean: here is the man himself, former speaker of the house himself, newt gingrich. welcome back, sir. >> good to be with you. >> have you to be happy with luntz's assessment. >> sean, you know, he does these focus groups and i think different people have done well. i have been delighted to always be in the top two or three. last night was a particularly, i think, positive night, largely because, well, other guys were spending all evening bickering, i was trying to focus very directly on what does america need to do to solve this problem -- its problems, how do we get jobs, balance the budget and get out of the mess we are in.

i also think that people are ready for a different approach. the debates have been more like a hollywood game show. you know some moderator asking questions, a minute here, 30-second rebuttal there. a lot of back-and-forth stuff. i think when you look at the greatest debates in american history, which were lincoln and douglas. they met seven times for 3 hours. they didn't have any moderator. they had a time keeper. hutwo adults who were talking about some of the most important issues in american history. i think we are in a similar period. i know that president obama's going to try to raise a billion dollars. i know he's going to have huge advantages with the elite media. but i think the american people are going to insist that he be accountable. the issues are so large from obamacare to the economy to housing, to national security, that i believe there is a good case you can make that these kind of debates next fall and september and october would be exactly what he owes the american people about his stewardship and about the future

of the united states. >> sean: you have been pretty outspoken that you think these debates and you said it at the end of the debate last night that, they foster conflict and they are designed to do that, and the type of bickering. but for the most part -- that was probably the only instance i can think of in any of the debates where you really got into it with another candidate. last night, you were pretty complimentary of herman cain and his 9-9-9 plan. you said, even though you disagree with aspects of it, the same with romneycare, you seem to be... more conciliat -- you seem to be trying to bring the group together. is that a strategy? >> look, sean, it's very important for us to remember that the goal of this effort is to defeat barack obama and get america back on the right track. the goal of this entire project isn'tof one ego or ambition over another and get beaten by the president because we have beaten each other up so much. in addition, there is a huge

difference. herman cain stood up for 30 minutes under all of us raising questions, but the questions were civil. they were direct. and they were based on policy, they weren't bickering. once or twice last night, the level of intensity, particularly between governors perry and romney got to be almost like seventh graders in a school yard. i felt very uncomfortable. i thought it hurt the republican party. i know i have talked to people in arizona this afternoon who just plain turned it off. they said, this is so negative and petty, i am not going to watch it. that's bad for the conservative movement and bad for the republican party. we ought to be able to set a higher standard than that. doesn't mean we can't disagree. but we need to disagree based on the facts. >> sean: your poll numbers are interesting, especially when we compare your numbers to the others in the field. and we talk about the pawlenty, he surged for a scbhiel declined and dropped out. and michele bachmann went up. she settled down.

rick perry came in gang busters, he's gone down. cain cane is in the middle of a major surge. question is, will he be able to sustain it? you have not had a big surge. but you started at the bottom and you were held steady at 4 or 5% and you have double digits in every poll i have seen, which is unique from the pack. how do you analyze those numbers? >> sean, i think, first of all, it's important to recognize that this is a very long contest. this is a marathon. i had the tortoise position, going forward one step at a time. recently, i think with the unveiling of the 21st century contract with america at newt.org, we had a tremendous increase in the number of people going there and down loading the contract, looking at it, sending it to their friends. in the last four days, we raised more money than we raised in july. we have seen real progress. we will have offices in south carolina, new hampshire and in

iowa in the next few days. you are going to see a full-blown campaign to the kind that i always wanted to rufnlt we are beginning to get our rhythm. i think we will be one step at a time because this is a very substantive campaign. what i am doing is different from any other candidate, except maybe reagan in our lifetime. i am trying to develop an idea-oriented, solution-oriented campaign. the contract for america is a pretty long document. it is not the kind of thing that campaign consultants write. part of it is from my heart and from the smartest people i know. it keeps growing and evolving and that makes us different. >> sean: what i hear most often about you is that they think you are one of the smartest guys running for president. but there seems to be old... perceptions, impressions of you, from '94 to today. a lot of people say, yeah, newt's really smart.

is he going to be able to overcome those things? what do you say to those people? how are you a different person? i don't think have you delved into this. you were there in a very cons quential time in the clinton administration. a lot was the accomplished. but there was a lot of negivity that was associated with you. how are you different? what would you want people to know about you now versus then? >> well, i think part of it is perception and part is reality. on the reality side, i am a grandfather. vitwo grandchildren. that makes you, i think more thoughtful. i have had time to reflect on what i have done right and the mistakes i have made. i am a more mature person. i have had a chance to think about what didn't work and to work inside the bush administration as a volunteer, both in national security and on health issues and see the ways in which the bureaucracies today have to be reformed, the ways in which they don't work.

i think part of that is that i am an older, more mature, more serious person. part of it is perception. hi121,000 ads run against me by democrats. time magazine had me on the cover as scrooge, holding tiny tim's broken crutch. it wasn't enough that i stole it, i had broken it -- >> sean: i remember that ad. >> now, that was newsweek. newsweek had me as a dr. seuss figure. so part what have has happened with the debates is that people are seeing me as i am. i am different from the news media version -- maybe the caricature. >> so i think that helps me. >> sean: let me ask you this, is the scprz fall of a lot of candidates, is it becoming romney versus maybe the tea party? because it seems like mitt romney still has to strug toll explain over and over again and

it came up last night, romneycare. do you think that is where the divide is? he is 20-25% rollly at the polls. >> i think mitt is a very competent hearing and a very talented guy. he's been working on this for 6 years. he certainly has a base, it's a big base by any reasonable standard he is probably the frontrunner and can raise more money. the challenge is simple. the reason i think he has a hard time getting above 24-25%. this is a party which decided starting in 1964 with goldwater and repeating it in 1980 with reagan, we are a conservative party. we want to change washington very dramatically. i think governor romney has a more difficult challenge convincing people that a massachusetts governor is the guy who represents that core value disp. -- value. and bachmann rises and false, but the votes don't go to romney. pawlenty rises and fall, but the

votes don't go to romney. perry rises and fall, but the votes don't go to romney. so 60 or 70% of the party that continues to look for the "not romney." i think it goes back to reagan and goldwater and the north eastern moderates and the rest of the party. mitt is a good guy. he would be a vastly better president than barack obama. i think the challenge he will face, whoever is in the final round, i hope it will be me, will be a philosophical distinction about where america needs to go. >> sean: mr. speaker, thanks for being with us. we will see you on the campaign trail. coming up, a shocking act of violence is alleged at an occupy wall street in ohio, while the anointed one insists their protests are not really different from the tea party.

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>> sean: instead of condemning

the occupy wall street protesters for their destructive and sometimes violent behavior, president obama is going so far as to compare their actions to those of the tea party. >> i understand the frustrations that are being expressed in those protests. in some ways, they are not that different from some of the protests that we saw coming from the tea party. both on the left and the right. i think people feel separated from their government. they feel that their institutions are not looking out for them. >> sean: actually, mr. president, the two groups couldn't be more different, among a million other painfully obvious distinctions, here's something else it is two movement don't's have in common. ohio police are investigating a 19-year-old woman's claim that she was raped in a tent, during an up on cleveland protest on saturday. now, we have never seen that kind of violence or even alleged at a tea party rally. meanwhile, as the lunatic left

wing fringe continues to condemn rich people, it seems the rest of america does not agree. according to a poll, a stallerring 64% of americans blame washington, only 30% say big financial institutions are at fault. joining me with reaction from the fox business network, charles payne and monica crowley. >> the president is embracing this. especially the more we learn about them, seems dumber every day. you know? >> yes. if you are looking at it through a traditional political lens, yes. have you to understand barack obama's background. he trained in the mob tactics. he was a community organizer. this is exactly what he did while he was in chicago, pitting group against group, stoking class warfare, stoking the differences. this is what he does. so foritous say, well it's incred thaibl he is embracing the protesters, he is them. they are him.

it shouldn't be a big mystery. >> listen, i agree. the president's worked up. this is perhaps one of his crowning moments, one of his crowning achievements to get this and to get it to ready and getting to start the notion of fairness. you know, the despicable part is the idea that people can't make it on their own in this country that somewhat, you don't have the wherewith will or the resources or the brain, you must get help is really amazing and yet, that's the key core central element here. >> the president goes on the interview here and says the following: all -- not some, not many, not most -- all of the choices we have made have been the right ones. all of them? every one of them? pretty arrogant statement. should i bring up solyndra, record debt? >> obamacare, socialized medicine. the list goes on. and his poll numbers reflect the obama disaster because he's at 40% job approval. >> 38.

>> but it speaks volumes about his character and the arrogance of the man, but it also reveals his implicit faith in the leftist agenda because he descreal believe in all the leftist policies he has put in place, whether they are working doesn't matter. it was about remaking america. so his faith in the policies -- that's what he is talking about. >> here's the thing. this is why our economy is in the trouble that it's in. businesses know, not only is there class war disappear war against success, it is not going to change. businesses understand, we better be prepared. they know they have another year, but if they have five years, they are concerned, they are worried. and this economy is not going to move. there was a slim chance for a moment that maybe somehow you would see the results what have you did, they weren't working, you would tweak it. now it's clear that's not happening, you see where we are. >> debates are a snapshot. okay isn't snapshot is that... i

am not sure if -- look, i was glad to see rick perry more energized. i am not sure it was advisable, the tactic he used against romney. i think that herman cain needs more text and you are context to nie. i thought bach had a few good answer, didn't pop. newt, i thought had a pretty good debate. ron paul, you know, he's ron paul. he's a libertyarium. i thought rick santorum was good -- he's smart, he's articulate and bright. but i am not sure if it was the right moment for him. we see this snapshot. do you get the idea that have you a feeling who will win this thing? >> i don't yet. i have no idea because this is one of these election years coming up where anything could happen. >> you think it's wide open? >> 2008, did anythingo anybody think that barack obama, not even one-term u.s. senator from illinois would smash the clinton

machine? never mind president of the united states. did anybody think in mid-october of this year, that it would be a herman cain/mitt romney race? anything can happen. >> i think have you the same issue you had in in the midterms. there are great candidates, but when you think about the general election, i think a lot of people feel it will be mitt romney. >> who would you want to debate on that level alone? >> i would love to see newt gingrich on that stage debathe barack obama. >> could he pull through and win this? >> anything can happen. his numbers are starting to pick up. >> i think mitt romney is good at the debates. >> he's gotten really good. >> we are out of time. >> mitt romney would be the better debeirut and the better general candidate. >> good to see both. let not your heart be troubled, our great, great, great american our great, great, great american panel is ( phone ringing )

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>> sean: and tonight on our great, great american panel, she's a board member of resurgent republican

strategists, leslie sanchez is back. fox news contributor, doug schoen is back. julia roberts played her in the movie, charlie wilson's war. she has the biggest diamond i have ever seen, joanne herring is here. look at that. can we put that on tv? [laughter] >> none of your business. >> sean: that's what you told me. i didn't think you would say it on the air and humiliate me. >> you are my hero. >> sean: you are very kind. >> we love nutexas, honey. >> sean: julia roberts -- you were great in that movie. >> yes, she was. >> sean: no, it was about you. >> well, i love julia. she was a lot of fun. i didn't agree with a single thing she believes in. she is very green. she doesn't use paper for anything. but i was thrilled. >> it's a tribute to you. we will get to that in a minute. you wrote a great piece in the

wall street journal. i spent an hour on the radio with a monologue, about the radical wall street protesters and how dumb it is -- >> my basic point, shaun, -- sean, was the protesters share disdain for corporations. but their solutions involve radical dree redistribution of income, government regulation, view that are at variance with the democratic party, at least the people like us belong to and believe in. >> sean: i said something nice. -- >> thank you! [laughter] >> sean: that didn't come out the way i meant tdoug. but what i said was, you know, the difference between scput other democrats, you have been right, they are wrong. >> i'd like to say on health care, which killed the democrats, we were right. but i think have you to tell the truth in america.

i believe, as you know in conciliation, compromise. i am supporting a group called americans elect to try to bring america together and have a third process. but have you to tell the truth, otherwise, what's the point. >> leslie, as bad as the new york magazine poll that showed 34% think that america's worse than al qaeda. 37% think capitalism is inherently evil. >> they were looking for a bad guy. doug's piece was really on point because there is a lot of questions on the right and the left of how it whole occupy wall street was going on fall. where were independents going to fall? were they really going to make a case against capitalism. they are misinterpret wlag they think this message is going to be on a national level. i think obama should be very concerned about tying himself closely to that. >> what do you think about the rhetoric of the president that is more shrill and extreme? republicans want dirtier water and air? and the class warfare rhetoric?

>> it's ridiculous. america wants clean water and they are working to get t. we have t. so what in the world are we worried about that for? >> he wants to demonize his opposition. he lectures everybody on tone and civility. >> it's high time that the whole world was a little more silv. >> i agree with that. as i look at the entire party, i am seeing, basically, the same lineup emerge that happened in 2010. that is a wipeout for your party. i don't know how they recover. >> how that do they recover? >> what i argued in my piece, they have to be for a balanced balance, reducing the debt, deficit and being for protecting the social safety net. they have gone harsh and left. i would say here with joanne herring here, an authentic american hero. we need more americans stepping up like that and working together, sean, for common

purposes. >> by the way, i echo those comments. >> thank you. where in the world are these people going to get jobs? if they kill all the capitalists, who is creating the jobs? every time a job is created. every time a rich man -- what does a rich man do with his mony? he invests or buys something. every time you buy something, that's a carpet, that's glass, that's a roof, that's cement -- >> sean: that diamond ring. >> it all adds up. that creatings jobs. every time somebody spends money, that creates jobs for the working -- >> sean: i never got a job -- i say it a lot, from a poor person. never. construction, restaurant, trvetion radio, never. >> it's part of the message of let's penalize the job creators. i think we're tired of that. >> vice-president joe biden stepped in it -- again. we have more with our great, [ male announcer ] drinking a smoothie with no vegetable nutrition? ♪

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>> let me tell you, it is not temporary had that 911 call comes in and the woman's being rape and the cop shows up to stop the rape. it is not temporary too that woman. it is not temporary to the guy who has a store being robbed and a gun pulled to his head and a cop shows up and he's not killed. that's not temporary to that store owner. give me a break! temporary! i wish these guys had some notion of what it was like to be on the other side of a gun. >> all right. he said it one other time, by the way in flynt, michigan. now jason, materra, caught up with the vice-president and asked him about this. watch this exchange. >> you were using a rape reference to describe opposition -- >> no, no, no. let's get it straight, guys. don't screw around with me. >> you didn't use a rape reference. >> listen to me -- >> i'm listening to. >> i said rape was up 3 times in

flynt. there are the number, go look at numbers. murder's up, rape is up and burglary's rup. >> and if the republicans don't pass this bill, rape will continue to rise. >> murder will continue to rise, rape will continue to rise, all crimes will continue to rise. >> do you think it's appropriate for the vice-president to use language in such a way -- >> we have to go. >> mr. vice-president. >> we have to go. sure. isn't that silly? i mean, it is polarizing, it's divisive i. not true. >> it's wrong. we need an attempt to reach common ground on jobs, not horrific references to play to people's worst impulses and to appeal to fear, it's horrific. >> it is insensitive. it's desperate. to compare to 100,000 cops on the street in the clinton years, we didn't push it, but it was an idea that was easy to understand -- >> we pushed it. >> you pushed it! we were on the other end.

but people came together and they understood, there was never this type of heated, insensitive rhetoric around that. >> it's insane. >> who scripts him? >> he scripts himself. that's his biggest problem. >> the thing is, he says one thing one minute, and then if people don't like it, he says something entirely different and we are supposed to accept it. >> he just redoes everything he says. and how can you believe that sort of person? >> well, there is a certain -- >> we need to believe our public officials. >> that's a great point. and if the president lies and says that the rich don't pay their fair share and they do, people go out and up on wall street and he supports them. on a sports story, we have bryant gummible say that this nba commissioner, david stearn was like a plantation overseer. here's what he said. >> stearn's version what have has been going on behind closed doors has, of course, been disputed. but is that typical for a commissioner who has always

seemed eager to be a modern plantation overseer, treating nba men as if they were his boys. >> wow. >> you know, i think people who talk about race are the racists. you don't ever care who -- what color anybody is. you just like 'em for what they are and hathey do. but the people who are constantly talking about race, they are the racists. the ones who play the race card, they're the racists. >> the problem to me, our life has become so uncivil, divided, hostile, harsh. >> i agree with you. but i make the case, i can give you a zillion examples on the left, but not the right to the left. >> look, everybody wears uniforms. doctors wear uniforms. kids wear uniforms in school. military uniforms. so is he asking people to wear a uniform, that's the business of the owner? >> there are some good guys here. if you think about the state of the economy and everything else, have you incredibly welty