martha: yeah, burt ammerman we spoke to, so many families who lost loved ones over lockerbie, scotland. in his words, it closes a chapter at least. bill: and he says, my brother did not die in vain. our breaking news continues here on the fox news channel. see you tomorrow. jenna: if you're just joining us this morning, "happening now" is history, history in the making. we're glad you're with us, everybody, i'm jenna lee. jon: i'm jon scott. we are catching all of the breaking news out of libya. we have video that is said to show the deposed dictator, moammar gadhafi, dead. now, we must warn you, this is very graphic video. it was taken by joyous anti-gadhafi fighters. the vid goal reportedly shows gadhafi after he was shot by rebel forces in sirte. still a lot of confusion about exactly what transpireded there.

so far no confirmation by u.s. intelligence sources, but it does appear that the man who ruled that country for more than four decades, the so-called mad dog of the middle east, is dead. jenna: and that's the headline for today. libya's prime minister telling the associated press that gadhafi was killed when fighters overran his hometown that jon just mentioned, the hometown of sirte. nato confirming it hit a convoy of gadhafi loyalists fleeing sirte as the city fell today. but we still don't know what exactly happened to gadhafi. today's events, though, bring to a close the 43-year reign of this ruthless dictator, the blood of so many lives on his hands including the lives of many innocent americans as well. jon: we have full team coverage. jennifer griffin is live for us at the pentagon, but we begin with david piper who is streaming live from the libyan capital of tripoli. what is the latest on gadhafi and the reaction there, david? >> reporter: hi, jon. yes. libya's interim prime minister

has just held a news conference in this building, and he has confirmed gadhafi is dead, and a number of politicians and military figures in this country over the past hour or two have also gone on the record to say the fallen leader here has been killed. from what we understand, he died in the fighting a few hours ago in his hometown of sirte from the rebel sources we've been talking to. they say that a convoy try today escape the city and perhaps was hit by a nato strike, and then afterwards they found him in a storm pipe, dragged him out, and one of the rebel sources told us he was alive at that time. he had bullet wounds to the legs and head, but he was alive. subsequently, he seems to have died on the way to nearby misurata, jon. jon: all right. so it does not sound as though he was attacked after the airstrike, or is that clear? >> reporter: it's not clear at the moment, jon.

we, actually, were out -- our person on the ground spoke to a militia fighter who captured gadhafi, and he said at that time that he was alive. he had bullet wounds to the leg and head, but he was alive. he was then passed on, and they did move him then to misurata which is a revolutionary base, of course. and it seems perhaps his injury were too bad or someone put a bullet in him, jon. jon: all right. and give us the reaction there from tripoli. >> reporter: well, some amazing celebrations have been going on for the last few hours, gunfire and people driving around in the streets behind me with flags raised. they got word of it very quickly of these rumors that gadhafi had been either captured or killed, and now they are celebrating even more on the news that he has been killed because, after all, they've gone through so many year of his rule where so many people have lost their

lives. and it seems they seem to have some kind of closure now, jon. jon david piper reporting live from tripoli. david, thank you very much. jenna: so what we just heard from david is the libyans are confirming the death of moammar gadhafi, but we do not have official confirmation from the white house or the state department. jennifer griffin is keeping an eye on things life from the pentagon, so what are american officials saying about gadhafi's death at this time? >> reporter: well, so far they're saying nothing. we can report that the libyan prime minister called u.s. officials, presumably the white house, at 10:36, about 30 minutes ago, to confirm that gadhafi has been killed. those officials in libya are saying that it was their bullets, not a nato airstrike, that killed gadhafi. we expect a statement from the white house soon, but defense officials we've been checking with every few minutes, and their operations center, they have no cop fir mission of his death -- confirmation of his

death, mostly because they don't have any assets on the ground. nato was operating from the air. they don't have intelligence sources on the ground who were anal to confirm -- able to confirm. we were watching the same video that you just showed, and what it appeared, it did appear that gadhafi had a head wound and a bullet behind his ear, but it's not clear whether nato airstrikes played any role in his death. jenna: and probably some lack of clarity on that for at least a couple hours as we continue to work through this story. jennifer, i'm sure you can see on our screen some of the celebration that's happening on the ground in libya. what is the pentagon's biggest concern as we look at what's ahead for this country? >> reporter: well, the biggest concerns are these 20,000 shoulder-held missiles, these surface-to-air missiles, some of which could take down a commercial airliner. we've heard reports and we heard defense secretary leon panetta comment on this a few days ago that he's concerned that some of those, those shoulder-fired

missiles have shown up in the sinai in some of the weapons markets in the sinai desert, they've crossed from libya into egypt and, of course, israel would be concerned about that because they can b make their way very easily through the tunnels into the gaza strip. jenna: we'll continue to watch for news out of the pentagon. jennifer, thank you very much. jon: let's bring inword john bolton -- ambassador john bolton, former u.s. ambassador to the united nations. ambassador bolton, it's been something like 247 days since this anti-gadhafi uprising taliban in rib ya -- began in libya. now it appears the dictator has met his end. how far -- how much of a role can the united states claim in the successful end to the life and the reign of moammar gadhafi? >> well, i certainly think we played a very important role in the air campaign, although not one that i think we should have pursued to have brought this to a conclusion much earlier, perhaps with a considerable

savings of civilian life. but in any event, i think now with gadhafi dead -- how we don't know at this point -- the question is what his followers will do in efforts at national reconciliation. and i think it's very important for the united states and be our western european allies to work to help empower pro-democratic, pro-western leaders among all the various libyan tribes and factions. because it's highly uncertain now what the successor regime will look like. we should have expended more effort before, but looking ahead we should do whatever's necessary to make sure that the successor regime doesn't slide back into anti-western authoritarianism. jon: he did his best to come across as something of a defanged tiger over the last few years, but i had forgotten until this morning some of the cases he was involved with. i covered as a young reporter the shooting of a graduate

student at colorado state university back in the early '80s who was, apparently, the target of a hit ordered by moammar gadhafi because this young man's father had been the mayor of tripoli. he had been critical of the libyan government, and gadhafi dispatched somebody to try to have him killed. there was also the berlin discotheque bombing, of course the bombing of pan am 103. this was a bad man. >> absolutely. we gave him legitimacy in 2004 when he agreed to give up his nuclear weapons program. i still think that was the right thing to do. it's just incomprehensible what would have happened in recent months if he had actually gotten to the nuclear weapons stage. but he certainly revealed his true colors months ago when he threatened to return to international terrorism. i think that was the threat that justified american military intervention. i think it was the right thing to do. this is an important moment. but for all the emotion

involved, i just stress this thing is still far from over. we need to have a stable, hopefully pro-western successor regime because if it turns out to be a radical islamist regime or one that harbors international terrorists, we will actually have taken a step backward. jon: right. our war planes, obviously, flying the bulk of those nato missions very good at winning the battle here, but winning the peace is going to prove the difficult part. if you were hillary clinton, if you were pulling the reins of power at the state department, what would be the first things you would order there? >> well, i certainly think secretary clinton was right to go to libya a couple of days ago. it turned out to be very important. i think it's worth a lot of her time and attention, and i think we ought to be looking at what kinds of assistance we can provide that will help empower the pro-western leadership. i think that's very difficult to do. you don't want to taint those individuals, but i don't think this is a time for us to be hands off. i think we need to be very

attentive because the stakes here are high. jon: well, specifically, what are the top three things on your list that you would suggest that the u.s. state department be trying to do right now? >> well, i think, number one, helping with the recreation of key institutions of the libyan state. gadhafi's rule was a very strange sort of thing. the libyan government is not really there except in name this many capacities. we need to set up an independent court system, we need law enforcement that's politically neutral, we need to begin thinking about the terms under which elections will be held. i don't think there needs to be any rush on that. you need a culture of democracy to begin to spring up. but i would certainly focus on those areas so that the people in libya know that, indeed, that there is a new day and a new possibility. jon: at a time when our own budgets are in such bad shape in this country, we have frozen, what, a billion and a half dollars in libyan assets. can we, are we allowed to tap

into some of that money to help pay for some of these reconstruction and aid programs? >> well, i think the libyan transitional government itself should want to do that. this is what they said that they have been striving to achieve. so getting some of the money that otherwise was just out of the hands, out of reach of average libyans makes a lot of sense to use that. and let's also hope that qatar and the united arab emirates and others are helping the libyan state oil company and western companies get oil production back online, get it refined, get it into the international markets to keep generating that revenue, too, that would be a very substantial sum to help reconstruction for libya. jon: ambassador john bolton, fox news contributor, it's good to have your insight, sir. thank you. >> thank you. jenna: jon, we're continuing to watch these live images from the streets of libya, and you see these pickup trucks with the guns in the back, and you see these gentlemen firing shots out into the street just aimlessly.

the big question we have now that we're taking in this breaking news is what's next for this country. that's going to be a big question for senator john mccain. he was in libya less than three weeks ago, he's been out with provocative statements about this country, and he is our guest next. during the break log on to foxnews.com for breaking news out of libya. we'll be right back in three minutes. ♪ i think i'll grab me a bowl and spoon now ♪ ♪ crispy flakes calling my name ♪ ♪ yaaaaaaay! four grains come together for nutrition in perfect harmony with great taste. honey bunches of oats.

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as a result, these protesters obviously do not like that. they have been battling back against police. you can see molotov cocktails going off in the streets there. one person dead in greece. our greg talcott is there on the scene, he's going to be bringing us a live report within "happening now." jenna: as we turn from greece to libya now, again, we have these reports moammar gadhafi is dead. we have some images, we'll be showing them to you, but the big question becomes what about this transitional government? who's running the country now? rick folbaum has more live for us today. what do we know about this transitional government? >> reporter: well, jenna, first of all, this is a new government that certainly has its work cut out for it. it has already been criticized by some for its financial dealings, but that said, the national transitional council this libya has been recognized by more than 60 countries including the u.s. as the legitimate government of the state of libya. it was officially established march 5th of this year as the

libyan civil war was really beginning to take shape. the head of the council is a man named mustafa ya legal who is promising to run a government who -- that he says will be transparent. it promises to insure the safety of the country and the people of libya, also to pave the way for free elections. and they have also put out a statement that rejects terrorism and racism and discrimination of any kind. libya has 140 different tribes and factions all competing for power, and so getting all of these different groups to work together while rebuilding an entire nation and its infrastructure will be quite a challenge. but recently mustafa jalil has been meeting with various militia groups to try to gain their respect and cooperation, and he will absolutely need them, jenna, if he's going to be successful. officials in libya have also floated the idea of a weapons buyback program aimed at getting back some of the 16 to 18,000

weapons that moammar gadhafi handed out to the libyan people in the final days of his reign as he was grasping at straws, trying to retain some kind of power. so like i said, this new government has its work cut out for it. we'll be watching them very closely. back to you. jenna: seems like a healthy dose of skepticism right now, still a lot of questions about what's next for this nation. rick, we'll continue to follow this at the breaking news desk and, of course, otherwise. jon? jon: we have breaking information on what has happened to gadhafi and a closer look at the future of this country after his four decades of iron-fisted rule. a very strange man and a deadly one. more fox live team coverage of the breaking news out of libya straight ahead. jenna: also, some new information on a dramatic story we first brought you yesterday. dozens of exotic animals roams wild in the countryside after their suicidal owner sets them free. the latest next. >> 911, what is your emergency? >> yeah.

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jon: breaking news out of libya this morning, reports that the longtime dictator there, moammar gadhafi, is dead. and a photo that we have to warn

you is very graphic, a look at a still photo, still from videotape, said to have been taken by libyan fighters. it reportedly shows the man in the center there, moammar gadhafi, after he was shot in the head and legs. libya's transitional government telling the associated press that the former dictator was killed after rebel forces captured the final bastion of resistance in the country. gadhafi's hometown of sirte. as we wait for official confirmation from washington, joining us now senator john mccain. he is ranking member of the senate armed services committee. he met with libya's transitional government when he traveled to the country with a congressional delegation just three weeks ago. senator mccain, there has been no official confirmation yet from the pentagon or the white house. but you seem convinced, you yourself have confirmed that moammar gadhafi is dead. is he? >> well, everyone, all reliable

sources indicate that he has. there's also a report that one of his sons was also killed, and that is certainly unconfirmed. but i think there's very little doubt that moammar gadhafi's been killed and, apparently, he was in a convoy of vehicles. they were trying to get out of sirte, and a nato airstrike stopped them, and then the tmc personnel came in and finished it off. and so, but everyone has confirmed it so far except for official confirmation. jon: the tnc is the transitional national council, the recognized governing body there recognized by the u.s. and many other governments. you were with them just three weeks ago, and you came away impressed. tell us why. >> well, i've been very impressed by the leadership of the transitional national council, but let me emphasize, jon, they have the first step towards democracy is what they've achieved now. they've got a long road ahead. one of their first priorities has got to be to get these

militias into a national army. they are fundamentally not under the government control right now. they need to make sure that all the weapons depots are consolidated and secured, but their number one priority right now is treatment of their wounded. they've got 30,000 wounds, and the united states of america could help so much because we have the unique capabilities. we could be sending a hospital ship to tripoli. we could be transporting some of their severely wounded to our hospital in germany, we could be sending in medical personnel. it's a small country. 30,000 wounded people, many of them amputees that we could be -- it would generate enormous goodwill. and let me say i congratulate the british and the french for their leadership, and i appreciate the job that the united states did in support. but this could have been over a lot earlier if we had used united states air assets in the most effective fashion. but this is a victory for the president, the obama administration, but most importantly the libyan people's chance for freedom.

jon: i want to get your take on something judy miller told me this morning. she is a pulitzer prize-winning reporter who is also a fox news contributor. she says that the next 48 hours are crucial in determining whether the tnc can hang on. she says there's, essentially, no law, order or security in libya, and if tnc cannot maintain order for these next 48 hours, we're in real trouble. your response? >> well, when i and senators rubio, kirk and graham were there, there's law and order. there's checkpoints. it's far different from baghdad, very frankly, after baghdad fell to us. um, they have a very big issue in these militias which are not totally under government control, and they have to consolidate them. but to somehow -- i just, i just disagree. their challenges are big, but it's not the next 48 hours, in my view, that will be crucial.

they have a lot of work to do. but people overall in libya are respectful of the transitional national council. jon: and you believe that it's going to work? is. >> i hope it will work, and we can be of assistance in that area. by the way, they're willing to reimburse us. it's not a matter of money. but we have -- right now there's a lot of goodwill in libya towards the united states, and i think we should take advantage of that by helping them with their wounded first of all, that's their number one priority, and then helping them on a step to democracy. we know from previous experience that democracy is tough. but the people of libya, i think, deserve the chance, and we can assist as well as our european allies. jon: senator john mccain, republican of arizona, it is good to have you on "happening now." thanks for joining us. >> thanks for having me on. jenna: we'll continue to follow the developing news out of libya. back here at home, we have some new information on dozens of escaped animals hunted down in

ohio. sheriff's deputies shot 48 of them including 18 rare men call the tiger -- bengal tigers, and local authorities saying once the dangerous creatures started roaming the countryside, there really wasn't much they could do to save them. >> tragic. i won't be able to really comprehend it until i have a couple of days to sit down and think about it. >> got to about 15 feet from the tiger and shot him with a tranquilizer dart, but within 30 seconds he got aggressive and came after me. >> a senseless, senseless act of having to kill these animals. um, you know -- >> you had no choice. >> but we had no choice. there was no way we were going to let these animals get out into our public. jenna: the animals coming from a farm owned by terry thompson. police say he threw their cages open tuesday and shot himself. mike tobin is at the property. mike, there's a lot of

speculation about how mr. thompson died, what happened after he died. what do we know now? >> well, jenna, we know that shortly after terry thompson shot himself, according to the coroner's report, anyway, he was bitten by one of the large cats, and to get the details i can roll tape now of what the sheriff had to say. >> it has been confirmed that the, due to the aunt, the doctor believes that mr. thompson did die from a self-inflicted gunshot wound. i do want to release that mr. thompson did have a bite wound to his head area that the doctor said would be consistent with a bite from a larger-type chasm -- cat. >> reporter: the coroner also said that bite wound came within seconds of the time he shot himself. it also appears the big cat dragged him around for a little while after he shot himself or after the big cat bit him in the head. one more bit of odd information.

there was a pile of chicken found in the driveway very near the spot where mr. thompson's body was found. this leading the sheriff to speculate quite possibly what he was trying to do was coax the big animals over to him so they would eat his body after he killed himself, jenna. jenna: bizarre. real quick, mike, what about the surviving animals? >> reporter: there were two monkeys, three leopards and one grizzly bear that were taken to the columbus zoo. the zoo tells us they all seem to be doing pretty well. it appears they weren't fed that well in the time leading up to this big incident. they're eating quite a bit, but it shows they are not traumatized or otherwise, just hungry, jenna. jenna: hard to see the images of those dead animals on the property. so nice to know at least a few of them are at a zoo. mike, thank you. >> reporter: you've got it. jon: that is a very strange story. we are waiting for confirmation out of washington, reports that moammar gadhafi was killed by rebel forces in his

hometown of sirte as libyans pour into the street in celebration. these pictures just coming in to the fox newsroom. we'll be speaking to two more senators who just recently returned from libya, lindsey graham and mark kirk. they'll give us their reaction to the apparent death of this longtime dictator. [gunfire] uh, i'm in a timeout because apparently

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jenna: right now the breaking developments out of libya really developing by the minute it

seems. libya's transitional government is telling the associated press that moammar qaddafi is dead. we are waiting on confirmation from our government on this. we do have a photo for you that is being shown around the world at this point, apparently showing the former dictator, you can obviously see it with your own two eyes. joining us two senators traveling to libya 20 days ago. senators lindsey graham and senator mark kirk. why is the capture or death of moammar qaddafi important to america? >> it allows the libyan people to move forward and make the hardy situations about how to form a democracy out of the ashes of a dictatorship. what happens in libya in terms of the region, the oil supply, the arab spring. what happens in libya will matter to us for decades to come. with moammar qaddafi gone it will free up the libyan people to move forward. jenna: there was an editorial

you wrote together in the "wall street journal." it said you would like to expand our economic ties. because of your mention of oil i'd like you to expand on that a little bit. how do we expand our economic ties with that country? >> we can go over there and help them build their infrastructure up. there are business opportunities in libya. the country has been ravaged, they are looking for business partners. and we send business people to go over and talk with the new regime. jenna: the are partnership is important, isn't it, senator kirk, it's widely assumed and known that moammar qaddafi was a bad guy. >> that's right. jenna: are we a hundred percent confident that the members of this new government are the good guys? >> we are not one hundred percent. this is a pro american government. the people of libya saw the aircraft of nato overhead equalizing the battle with the professional military of moammar

qaddafi. they assumed all the aircraft were american, although many were british and french. most libyan politicians are going to want to be very friendly towards us. jenna: it sounds like you're very positive on the actions that president obama took to make this happen? >> i am. thinks a great win for the u.s. military, nato, the obama administration, but most importantly the people of libya. there are challenges, 28 separate militias control tripoli. they need to be unified. we need to keep control of the chemical weapon stockpile and recover the thousand of surface to air missiles, hand-held missiles that were released to the various militia as. all those are challenges ahead from this new government. one thing they don't have to worry about is a comeback by moammar qaddafi. jenna: what do we do about the weapons? the 28 separate militia groups

that are roaming the streets there, what is our role moving forward? >> we try to influence the outcome. one of the problems i have from leading from behind is when a day like this comes we don't have the infrastructure in place that we could have. i'm glad it ended the way it did. if we would have kept american air power in the fight it would have been over quicker. let's get in on the ground. there is a lot of money to be made in the future in libya. a lot of oil to be produced. let's get on the ground and help the libyan people establish a democracy and a functioning economy based on free market principles. when it comes to weapons control get teams on the ground now that can assist this government to make sure that this stuff doesn't fall into wrong hands. we don't have much of a presence. there is an opening, get people on the ground. jenna: when you're saying getting in on the ground, it's great talking to both of you, your both reservists.

senator graham air force, senator kirk navy. jenna: you said get in on the ground, what exactly does that mean? >> i think mark could better tell you what the problems are about the weapons and how being on the ground would help. >> two things, senator graham and i are both for bringing a hospital ship to tripoli to care for the wounded. libyan politicians across the board said nothing would make us more popular and would help lock in the gains for the united states than that. then we need to make sure that we have enough funding, and personnel to buyback and/or gain custody of the surface to air missiles. if they are released from libya, if they get throughout the arab world they could become a long-term danger to civil aircraft around the globe. jenna: there is a great austerity within our own government and potentially cutbacks within the defense department. do we have the money to do this?

is this really at the top of our list of national interests. >> it should be. number one they are going to pay us back. they have $34 billion of frozen assets under our control. the number one request was help us with our wounded. we have a lot of people maimed, lost legs and arms. they'll gladly pay us back. the french and german have agreements with the libyan people to treat their wounded. we'll get the money back. the one thing we can't get back is -- i know we're broke, let me tell you this. if you disengage the world you'll regret it and if you miss this opportunity we'll regret it. jenna: you're moving our conversation forward on this and we appreciate that. there are so many questions about what is next. its nice to have both of you and

your insights today. senators, thank you very much for joining us. >> thank you. jon: all across libya the rebels are celebrating right now, reacting to the reports that their long-time dictator moammar qaddafi is dead. coming up next, we're going to talk with larry sant sabato and his crystal ball. could this impact the race for president? i'm not a number.

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jenna: as we've been reporting moammar qaddafi reportedly killed today, fleeing his hometown of sirte. one of the questions we're asking is how does this play out

politically. when we look at foreign policy we have so much going on in the political side of things in our country right now. professor sabato is director of foreign policy at the university of virginia. how do they play out if at all, in political leanings of the country? >> generally foreign policy, international affairs only matter when there is something big on the foreign policy scene that affects people in their daily lives, whether it's terrorism, or an unpopular or popular foreign war. world war ii, korea, vietnam, those things qualify as well as 9/11. this is interesting. i think most americans are delighted that qaddafi is dead just like they were delighted that osama bin laden was killed. president obama gained 7 percentage points in the gallop poll. seven weeks later all 7 points were gone. when you have a bad economy that

is front and center. jenna: the two camps if you will going off approval numbers, you mentioned the president trying to build up before the election of 2012, you also have potential republican candidates for president trying to capitalize all the things that are happening, good or bad in the news. who aims to benefit the most from something like this? >> well look at the republican candidate field. ambassador bolton didn't enter, for example, he probably had the most foreign policy experience. the one who is in the race with the most foreign policy experience is a minor candidate, former utah government jon huntsman who was president obama's ambassador to china i doubt he'll be able to capitalize very much on this because of his other problems in the race. so the two or three leading candidates, governor romney, governor perry, obviously being state governors they don't have foreign policy experience or much of it. herman cain has never been in public office. i don't know that they can do

much in this arena either. but as i say, i think the economy will end up being front and center. that's what will really matter in the fall of 2012. jenna: i'm curious about the stickiness too. if something happens, an event is there a timeframe you look at, larry. let's say the death of a foreign leader happens four weeks before the election, could that potentially affect the outcome of the election versus something that sort of stays away, like the death and killing of osama bin laden? >> that is a great question, because remember we often talk about october surprises in presidential election years. there is a reason for that. if something big in the international sphere happens in october it can have an effect on the november election. just to mention one example, the negotiations for the release of the american hostages held by iran collapsed in 1980 on the

sunday before the tuesday election, literally 72 hours before ronald reagan defeated jimmy carter. it had a direct impact. it expanded reagan's lead from 3 points to his eventual 10-point victory. you better believe a big event in october of the election year can have an impact on the november result. jenna: that's fascinating to look at this. every thursday we have you come onto talk about your crystal ball to get the first look. i'm sorry we didn't get to it today. we look forward to having you back on with us, sir. >> thanks a lot. jon: there is celebration in the streets and all across libya. you have to wonder, all the bullets going up have to come down. let's hope there are not more fatalities because of the celebration. this as reports of moammar qaddafi's death spreads. our own reporters have been on the front lines of this

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celebrations in the streets of libya, the rebels there reacting to reports that moammar qaddafi is dead. two of our fox news correspondents who covered the war in libya from the very beginning are with us. rick leventhal and david lee

miller, joining us now. rick, let's start with you. did you think this day would ever come. >> absolutely. we were waiting for it to happen every day we were there. everyone was saying, it was imminent, it was imminent. these opposition fighters were so committed to the cause to give up their lives for democracy. that's what impressed me the most. jon: you saw pretty strange things, david when you were there, including i guess one of his final appearances on television. >> reporter: that's right. to under score what rick said it isn't surprising that this day is happening. what's surprising is that it took so long. qaddafi had said he was not going to surrender. he said it repeatedly. let's see if we can get the video that was recorded in the lobby of a hotel not far from misrata. the point you mentioned, hopefully we can get through this tape. while i was there, this is as far back as the month of april. this is qaddafi's son's home.

his son was killed, grandchildren were chilled. i was walking through the home shortly after the air strike took place. qaddafi was there. he escaped with his life in april. qaddafi went to state television. he went to school, point towed a blackboard to show the date. he made every effort possible to show that he was alive and in charge. jon: you said the freedom fighters are very committed to freedom and democracy. that is the big question, can we win this peace? >> reporter: i would say yes. they were very capable in running the country without a formal government. they were keeping the lights on and keeping the roads clear and directing traffic and handling trash pick up even as they were fighting this war without a real efficient government in place at the time. i spent a lot of time in iraq and afghanistan, i met with those people who were becoming

shoulders and police officers, and we didn't get the same warm and fuzzy feeling from them as we did from the libyan people. they liked us, they welcomed us, they were very, very friendly, very accommodating. they would invite us into their homes. again, they were real people who gave up real jobs to pursue what they felt we had and what they wanted which was democracy. jon: they have oil supplies and money. >> they do have a lot of money. i was eupl expressed when i saw people volunteering to direct traffic. ordinary people were on street corners directing traffic. you have had many different interest groups drawing together becoming part of a rebel force and all shared one thing in common, jon. the great hatred for libyan leader moammar qaddafi. qaddafi is now gone. he was the unifying thread, their hatred of this man. now it is no longer an issue by what extent are the rebels going to be a cohesive force or are

special interests going to emerge including one with islamic extremism that could jeopardize the future of libya. >> reporter: that's a very good point. from city to city you have people battling for control. there could be a really tenuous time coming up. jon: we want to get more insight from you guys. we'll bring you back next hour for some more of this conversation. rick and david lee, thank you. jenna: invaluable perspective from the ground. we're going to watch this breaking news out of libya. you have the libyan transitional government telling the associated press that qaddafi is dead. we don't have that information from our government. we will bring you up to date with the very latest. we will bring you out to greece. riots in that country over economic austerity measures turn deadly. you have one protester killed. the broader question is is this what happens when people see that the benefits they've been promised all their lives

suddenly go away? is this a model for another's other european nations and for us here at home? that's the big question for today. more from the ground in athens from our greg palkot coming up of the like many chefs today, i feel the best approach to food is to keep it whole for better nutrition. and that's what they do with great grains cereal. see the seam on the wheat grain? same as on the flake. because great grains steams and bakes the actual whole grain. now check out the other guy's flake. hello, no seam. because it's more processed.

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jenna: a fox fox news alert, breaking news out of libya we continue to follow for you. the prime minister there saying former dictator moammar gadhafi is dead. he's died, apparently, from wounds -- whether those were sustained during capture or from a nato attack, we're still trying to work out those details, everybody. we're glad you're with us, i'm jenna lee. jon: and i am jon scott. we are witnessing history in the making. first, we watched the end of gadhafi's 42-year reign in libya, the longest in africa and the arab world. now, nearly go months to the day -- nearly two month toss the day after tripoli fell, widespread reports and perhaps even photographic evidence there on the left of your screen

indicates that the fugitive dictator is dead, killed at the hands of the people that he oppressed for so long. now, as you can see on the right, those people are out celebrating in the streets. the word is that a convoy was headed out of sirte, that is the hometown of moammar gadhafi. it was one of the last bastions of his supporters to fall. nato called in an airstrike on this convoy, and the belief is that the convoy did, in fact, contain moammar gadhafi. there are reports that he was pulled from some kind of a culvert or a ditch, perhaps having crawled in to some kind of a pipe there at the side of the road to try to hide out. at any rate, he is, apparently, dead. we are still waiting for confirmation from the federal government, from the white house. although there is all kinds of confirmation coming out of the libyan people themselves. we'll continue to cover the

story there, and we will later this hour have david lee miller and rick leventhal back to bring us their reporters' notebooks. jenna: so many different reports coming in to our newsroom. obviously, we have the reports from the transitional government that gadhafi is dead. the question to the world will be how do we prove snit how do we know he's -- prove it? how do we actually know he's dead and not captured? what difference does that make, we're going to get into in another segment. joining me now is dr. michael baden, a famous forensic pathologist. we have some video, apparently, of moammar gadhafi, and i'm going to show you that in just a second. i want to warn you, it's pretty gruesome. this is a picture we have, and i just would like you to take a look at this picture and what does that say to you? is. >> there's a gunshot wound of entrance over here in the left side of the forehead which doesn't have any powder around it, so it could not have been self-inflicted.

the person who discharged that bullet would have been at least two feet away, maybe much further away. jenna: what kind of shot would you have to have to get that type of shot on somebody though? >> well, it could be a handgun. probably more of a handgun than a rifle wound because rifle wounds tend to be larger. and the bullet is probably still in the head area so that they'll remove of that bullet, and they'll be able to determine what kind of weapon and which weapon fired that shot and who fired the shot. jenna: just a warning, the video is a little grew. >>, we're going to go ahead and roll that, and dr. badden's going to watch along with us. you can see on the screen here, doctor, the blood that you see, obviously, you see all these people. it's chaos. it's difficult to make out. one of the questions we've had from some of our viewers is if he was, indeed, shot in the head according to reports, why isn't there more blood? why isn't it more graphic, quite frankly, is some of the questions we're getting. >> well, a handgun shot to the head does not produce any blood

or very little blood because there are no arteries, no major blood vessels in that area. the other blood that's present is from jurors suffered -- injured suffered below the head, and there may have been shots to the abdomen or extremity that is hit an artery. jenna: why do you think that's a gunshot? >> it's a mark, but when i looked at it closer under higher magnification, there's aer perforation which is typical for a bullet wound entrance with a little bit of a rubbing of the skin around it. jenna: interesting. just to know that much from an image. of course, the broader question is, how do we know it's him? and how do you go about identifying for absolute certainty? >> right. well, two ways. one is they probably had fingerprints right at the scene available like with usama bin laden when he was captured, so a

fingerprint identification can be made within minutes and also have taken, i'm sure, blood, and fresh blood can be taken and identified with dna comparison within five to six hours. so there's, i'm sure, likely with usama bin lad b there were -- bin laden there were laboratory people in the area to make that identification, and it should have been completed at this time. jenna: one would think. we did get conflicting reports about his body being taken to misurata. you're going to be back with us, we're following a cub about the missing baby lisa. >> yes. jenna: there was a big investigation at her house yesterday, and we want yourinsight on that. coming up, i believe, around 12:30, jon, we expect to hear from the united states government? >> jon: right. we are expecting briefings from both the state department as well as the white house at the state department. secretary of state hillary clinton arriving in pakistan just a short time ago. our senior white house foreign

affairs correspondent wendell goler just asked her about these reports of gadhafi's death. let's get to wendell, he is streaming live from islamabad for us right now. wendell? >> reporter: jon, the interview was in kabul just a couple of hours ago where secretary of state clinton had gone for a day of talks on the afghan/pakistan relationship before coming here to islamabad to hear, if you will, the other side of the story. she wouldn't confirm gadhafi's death at the time. there are indications that the state department wanted the white house to be first to do that. but i she said if he was, in fact, dead, that would be a good thing for the libyan people who she had met with just a couple of days ago. >> they expressed to me their concern when i was in tripoli two days ago that if he remained at large even after they liberated sirte and declared that the entire country was liberated, that he would wage a guerrilla war against them, that he would recruit mercenaries and

pay out of the stocks of gold that they think he has secreted. >> reporter: she said the libyans now have a long, tough job ahead of them, and it's hard to imagine just how tough it was. when she arrived in tripoli, she was met at the airport by one of the militias that controls the airport, but there are two dozen militias spread throughout tripoli. and, you know, you can't imagine the nervousness of her security forces as the motorcade traveled through the city and the different militias jockeyed for position around the motorcade. mrs. clinton said the first order of business is to get the militias unified into a single security force working together to provide security for the people. she said the nato-led force in libya will continue to protect the libyan people, but she made clear we won't be there forever. jon? jon: wendell goler traveling with the secretary of state in islamabad, thank you. jenna: interesting trip and

great interview. we're going to look forward to hearing more throughout the day here on fox news. what timing. 42 years under the rule of a brutal dictator, libyans today are celebrating reports that muammar gadhafi is dead. in that country it's drifting into the evening. straight ahead, a look at some key moments of his repressive regime, something we should not forget. plus, another round of bloody riots breaking out in athens as demonstrators lash out against new demands for deep budget cuts. we'll bring you the latest. and rick over at the web wall now. >> reporter: a couple of polls all tied to the reports of moammar gadhafi's death, so if you go to foxnews.com and the "happening now" home page and scroll down the right-hand side, we ask how convinced are you that gadhafi's actually dead? a lot of people here in the newsroom are saying this guy has so many body doubles, how can we be sure? and then the second question, how should the u.s. help libya moving forward? is a couple of options for you

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jenna:-and-a-half he started out as the only son of a goat herder who couldn't read or write, and he became the absolute ruler of an oil-producing powerhouse for more than 40 years. rick is going to pick up the story from there. we're talking, of course, about the rule of moammar gadhafi. >> reporter: he came to power at the age of 27 years old after being part of a successful coup in libya. he became the new head of state. he was a troublemaker for the west almost from the beginning, pushing for sort of a united states of africa that would have united all arab countries from the persian gulf to the atlantic ocean. he supported the ira in its

terror campaign, and he allied himself with the soviet union and other communist regimes around the world. it was president reagan who first called him the mad dog of the middle east, and in 1986 he sent libyan agents to glow up a nightclub -- blow up a nightclub in berlin that was known as a popular hangout for u.s. soldiers based there. two soldiers were killed, one civilian died there as well. and then in december1988, libyan agents carrying out the bombing of pan am flight 103 in the scottish town of lockerbie. among the dead were 35 students who were studying abroad for syracuse university, and i'll never forget the devastation that gripped the campus just as everybody was getting set to head home for winter break. eventually, gadhafi decided to hand over two libyans for trial in the bombing, one was acquitted, one was convicted.

and in latest years especially after the capture of saddam hussein, gadhafi trying to repair his image, offering to give up his country's wmd program, but none of that matter today people of libya who had decided they had had enough of this dictator's 42-year reign. jenna: you said you were a student at syracuse, and that was the university, obviously, greatly affected by, well, pan am 103. tell us again just what that was like. it's something that we can't forget, there were, obviously, americans on that flight that died that day. >> reporter: it's true. i mentioned 35 students. they were studying abroad, most of them in london this a semester abroad program. i didn't know any of them, but the entire campus, of course, was affected by this tragedy. it was the end of the semester, we were getting ready to head home for a break, and can i'll never forget the memorial service when we came back to campus, and there's still a beautiful tribute in memory of

those who died. jenna: some of these more important questions, what's next for the country, we can't forget this family affected by his rule. rick, thank you very much. that's an important reminder. jon: so it appears that the longtime dictator is dead. joining us now on the phone from libya is ann mar low, she is an occasional best of this program -- guest of this program, also a visiting fellow at the hudson institute and currently working on a book about libya's first year of freedom. she is based in a town about 70 miles outside of tripoli. has the word gotten there yet, ann? is. >> thank you. um, you can possibly hear some of the gunfire in the background here. jon: yes. >> the town of swarra, the so-called capital of libya, has been going wild for hours. it was part of a parade that involved everything from grandmothers to infants, people firing assault rifles all the way up to 105 mm rockets which

are definitely not something you want to have fired in your town. um, for hours and hours as they celebrate not only the death of a dictator that everyone in this area hates, but the possibility of living their ancient and suppressed culture. one of the little known aspects of gadhafi's dictatorship was that he wouldn't allow the. berer minority here to write their language which is a 3,000-year-old script. so the people here have an extra measure of joy in the death of gadhafi, and they are not only raising the tricolor independence flag, but they are driving around with the pan national flag of yellow, green and blue on their cars,awaying

it from their -- waving it from their houses, wearing t-shirts and baseball caps. so for them this means a new beginning not only for democracy in libya, but also for their own minority rights as the largest minority ethnic group in libya. jon: well, you raise an interesting question. there are so many minorities in the libya, so many tribes. you've got arab cities, you've got a berber city where you are. democracy can be ugly, and do you get the sense that as a nation the libyans are going to be able to unite in a way that preserves whatever fabric there is to that society in the absence of moammar gadhafi and his iron-fisted rule? >> well, i think that the, um, the question remains as to how much control the transitional national council has over the situation. i actually spoke today to is a

representative of the council. he was supposed to come here today but, needless the say, he's pretty busy in tripoli right now with this news. basically, there are ongoing concerns, i think, of the people here that only a strong national government will actually be able to protect them. because until just a few days ago they were under shelling from some of their arab neighbors. they've had an ongoing land dispute for generations, apparently, with two towns south of here. and the militia from misurata had to come in to keep the peace and disarm the people from two other towns of about 50,000 south of here which have been, you know, shelling civilians. by the time i arrived two days ago, that was over. but it did claim the lives of several civilians in the last week. and it's that sort of war

lordism and anarchy people here are very afraid of. they definitely want to have the transitional national council assert itself, and it's not clear that it's going to be able to do so. jon: with a book in the works, you could not be there at a more historic and opportune time. we'll look toward to reading it when you get it finished. ann marlowe who is visiting libya right now, thank you. [gunfire] jenna: the sounds and the images say a lot. a second day of violent protests on the streets of athens, and new word that one person has died. you can see on your screen you have those mass protesters or protesters wearing helmets seen hurling gasoline bombs and chunks of marble at peaceful

demonstrators. they've been protesting austerity measures. greg talcott is there live in athens with more. greg? >> reporter: jenna, it has been a strange and violent day here in athens. infighting, clashes between rioters and police, my cameraman can zoom past me and show you the scene. there's actually a bit of a lull in the action. police have moved rioters away from the front of the parliament, that's where that austerity package is being voted on in the next hour or so. again, we have seen just below our fox position about 20 yards away battles in the last half hour between police as they shoot, as they shoot stun guns and tear gas against rioters who were firing back with molotov cocktails and stones and rocks. it's been a battle between those two sides and bizarrely today, between the protesters themselves. more militant elements going

after left wing but still trying to keep it peaceful protesters. in fact, seven injuries reported to our hotel, that is our fox position right now. there's been one death, apparently, person died of a heart attack, though, not direct injuries. again, this is all about an austerity package being voted on. that will, once again, raise the taxes here, that will instigate layoffs as well as lower incomes all to try to pave the way for yet more money for greece, maybe another $11 billion just to tide it over for the next month and also pave the way for the big summit of european union countries this weekend to try to come up with a longer-term plan. default, according to several economists that i've been speaking to here in greece, is not a question of if, it is a question of when. and regarding default, it's not a question of -- it is a question of whether it is an orderly default or a disorderly default. a disorderly bankruptcy which could not just damage greece it,

but also damage more fragile economies in the european union, the european union itself, the euro common currency and, of course, it all gets back to the united states as the united states looks at the e.u. and looks at greet, major trading partner with the european union right now. i think you can hear behind me, jenna, more protesters coming in. again, the vote is expected in the next half hour. we could see some more action after that. back to you. jenna: the question of whether or not we're gazing into our own future there is a good one, greg. thank you very much. jon: well, pan am 103, berlin, a disco bombed in 1986, notorious terror attacks targeting americans otherwised by that man -- otherwised by that man, moammar gadhafi. so how will reports of gadhafi's death effect terrorism against the west now? my doctor told me calcium

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jon: a fox news alert, libya, a country that carried out a variety of terror attacks over the course of moammar gadhafi's four-decade rule. what will his death mean for terrorism in the region? does it put a damper on it or not? joining us now on the phone, neil livingston, a terrorism expert and a frequent guest of our program. neil, obviously, you know, there the standpoint of, you know, a guy who has been directly involved in terror attacks against americans, the death of gadhafi has to be perceived as a good thing, but with others simply take his place? >> that's the question right now. he's been out of the terrorism business for about 15 or more years -- jon: you're confident of that? >> yes. we're confident that gadhafi saw the overthrow of saddam hussein, he was deeply, deeply challenged

by that. he decided to make peace with the united states and with the western allies. and we don't believe he's really been involved in the terrorism business for some time. the real issue here, though, is his son, other supporters, will they hang on? >> will they continue to struggle in and might they turn to terrorism? and finally, what's this government going to look like that follows gadhafi? we know that there are terrorist supporters, supporters of al-qaeda in eastern libya. might they come to power in this new government, and might they reinvigorate the support for terrorism? there are a lot of questions right now. jon: well, and some questions, too, about what i'm just going to call accidental terrorism or incidental terrorism resulting from his fall. he was one of the world's largest weapons collectors, and a lot of those weapons depots of his have been simply overrun in the chaos that has followed after his departure from power.

we know that there are shoulder-fired missiles that have gone missing. could there be august kinds of an -- all kinds of an explosion of terror-related instances just as a result of people getting their hands on his weaponry? >> absolutely. there are more weapons today in libya than there are people. in addition to that, there may be chemical weapons stocks we haven't discovered yet. all of these would be very, very valuable to terrorist groups, and because there are so many factions in libya today vying for power, one or more of those factions may get ahold of the weapons and sell them or transfer them in some way to terrorist groups or other insurgents in the region. so this is -- libya, on the one hand, this is a good news story. on the other hand, this is still a very destabilized country that doesn't have a real core government yet, and we don't know what's going to come in the days and weeks ahead. jon: yeah. lots of other shoes to drop,

that's for sure. neil livingston joining us by phone. neil, thank you. back with more coverage on "happening now" in just a moment. [ male announcer ] to the 5:00 a.m. scholar.

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us some details. rich. >> reporter: good afternoon jon. they have a task to find trillion 1/2 dollars and do so within the next five weeks. congressman jeb hensarling says he has high hopes but tempered expectation they could accomplish that goal. he said he could find trillion 1/2 dollars of cuts in his sleep but he understands he has to work on a bipartisan basis. he is willing to do what he doesn't want to do but still republicans are against any type of tax increases but he says everything now still on both sides being put on the table. we also asked him about the president's jobs proposal proposal and specifically what the senate will consider, $35 billion to hire teachers and firefighters. specifically that the vice president had to say murder and rape and other crimes will continue to rise if congress doesn't pass billions in funding to hire police officers? >> the vice president has a history providing the nation with very interesting quotes. what i would say is this.

we are a nation that is going broke. i don't know what part of broke the administration does not understand. and so we are borrowing 42 cents on the dollar. of it from the chinese and sending the bill to our children and grandchildren. >> reporter: now that proposal has a .5% surtax on any amount over million dollars to pay for that $35 billion. the senate likely considers that tonight. it will likely fail as republicans and some democrats have some issues with it. jon, back to you. jon: rich edson reporting from d.c. for us. rich, thank you. >> presidential candidate rick per ray wants to scrap the entire u.s. tax code. he wants to start over with something much simpler. you her the term. flat tax. that has been around a while. our next guest knows something about it. chairman and editor-in-chief of forbes media, steve forbes. steve, are you officially endorsing rick perry for president today? >> leaning very much in that direction. i'm very impressed with what he did as governor of texas.

very impressed that he is going with a flat tax which is a huge and positive way to get this economy moving again. and the global economy moving in a positive direction. this is historic. it's the best tax proposal since ronald reagan's tax proposal in his 1980 campaign when he vowed to reduce tax rates on federal income taxes by one-third. he followed through on that promise and began the longest boom in american history. rick perry is about to make history again when he takes office with the flat tax in january 2013. jenna: sound optimistic there. you're serving pass an adviser to perry to get this plan together? >> i've been talking to his people absolutely, yes. jenna: let's start there. >> a labor of love. jenna: labor of love. this is something you've been through before and have some experience. talk a little bit what a flat tax is. i read some reports how it would work. what can you tell us about perry's plan as it stands right now? >> well it would be a single rate. would be generous exemptions

for adults and for children so you don't get problems what happens to lower income people. it scraps the entire 10 million word monstrosity known as the federal income tax code. so you have a single low rate for individuals, single low rate for companies. and by golly, it is also pro-investing. jenna: why do you think it will work for perry when it didn't work for you? this is part of your presidential campaign? >> when i ran for president, i was a relatively unknown. hadn't held public office before and even though we haven't adopted it in this country the idea has taken off overseas where 25 countries around the world have adopted a flat tax, variations of the flat tax and it worked everywhere that it has been tried. so now we're finally getting on the bandwagon. jenna: according to the reports that i have read, what would happens everyone would have a 17% tax on their income above -- >> the tax rate, his tax rate, that was my tax rate 15 years ago.

he is not finalize the his tax rate. but the principle is very low tax rate. exemptions for adults and for children so we don't get the problem with low income people. so it's a win-win for everybody. that's why i think it will confound democrats. jenna: you're a big fan of the flat tax. also something called the fair tax which is basically a national sales tax. something that herman cain talked about. >> right. jenna: his plan for taxes a little bit of a hybrid. flat tax on income and you have a fair tax as well. why do you think that herman cain's plan won't work and this flat tax will work? >> well the flat tax gets around the alleged regressivety of a national sales tax. most states now it is average eight, 9% sales tax. you add 9% national sales tax. that means 18% on stuff you buy. that is a tough sell politically. so i think it is much easier to go with the federal income tax code, junk it. start with a single rate. simple thing. can fill out on a single

sheet of paper. you have those exemptions for adults and for kids. so it's an easy way to go. you don't get caught up on do we exempt food from a sales tax? do we have rebate for a sales tax? make it simple and perry is going to do that. jenna: simple sounds good right now. to fill everybody in the plan no income taxes on families until they think $36,000. every after that gets taxed at 17%. we don't have details for that. we'll wait for that. we'll wait for your official endorsement and we'll look forward to talking to you when you decide, sir. steve, thank you very much for joining us. we always appreciate it. >> thank you. jon: a fox news alert and 247 days after it began, it appears that the libyan repel i don't know -- rebellion achieved the goal, the end of muammar qaddafi, the 42-year leader of that, of that desert country is dead according to libyan

sources. that is yet to be confirmed by the u.s. government but many libyan sources including the transitional national council prime minister have said that this is in fact his photo that he was killed, as partly as a result of an airstrike in nato, killed by rebel forces there. back with us now, rick leventhal and david lee miller. they both spent a lot of time covering the war in in libya and here with some of their thoughts. rick, you are telling us last hour about the abilities that you think this, these rebel groups have. they're not just a ragtag bunch? >> reporter: they were certainly at first. they had a lot of heart, a lot of courage, a lot of determination but not a lot of training. and they started to get that training. we watched them as they learned how to handle weapons. they learned some basics of hand-to-hand combat. as they learned how to storm buildings and kick down doors and handle the weapons they would need to use in order to wage this war. these are guys who did not

have body armor in most cases. they had substandard weapons. they were outgunned. but up-armoring pickup trucks and mounting weapons in the back of those trucks to try to compete with qaddafi's forces. they were getting help from that gentleman there he was in qaddafi's army for decades and switched sides, began training shop owners and computer operators and teachers how to handle those weapons and fight back. jon: david, at some point a lot of qaddafi's own military personnel saw the handwriting on the wall and said i'm not sticking with this guy anymore. i'm going to the other side. >> reporter: you're right. what incredible is extraordinarily lengths qaddafi went through to show he was still in power. the image you showed a few moments ago, of deceased muammar qaddafi especially in arab world where people do not believe most things people say until they see it themselves. while qaddafi's entire government was falling he went on television i was in a hotel lobby outside of misurata you see people in

hotel lobby gathering around the television set, qaddafi at schoolhouse with schoolchildren, pointing to the date on blackboard or whiteboard in this instance to show this is, particular day and he is still very much alive. this was recorded outside of misurata in a hotel lobby. people gathering around the television set looking on to some extent disbelief. that was a few days after this his son, one of his youngest sons was killed in a nato airstrike. had opportunity to walk through the home, jon and see the damage for myself. of the home was destroyed. we have some of this video as well. you can see what happened as i walked through the home and i was able to report on who was there, and you will hear me in just one moment describing what apparently had taken place moments before i arrived. qaddafi escaped with his life. let's listen. this was a wall, part of the ceiling has also collapsed in this location. we make our way back here -- this was the home of his son.

funeral was held the very next day. qaddafi is now gone though. his legacy lives on and rick will perhaps agree with me here he may be gone but problems for libya remain. >> reporter: a lot of challenges for sure. >> reporter: some still believed him and supported him in tripoli up to the very end. >> reporter: you know that better than me. you spent a lot of time in tripoli. one thing i want to point out, i believe the opposition fighters knew where qaddafi was or had really strong position where he was and isolated him and in coordination with nato. it wasn't an accident that the convoy left when it did was attacked by nato jet strikes and rebels on the ground ready to clean it up. my guess they knew where he was. they waited for him to move and when he did they opened up on him. jon: you guys did great work over there and satisfying to you see this thing winding down. >> reporter: long time coming. rick, quickly caught him in sirte. sort of like finding leader of iraq in tikrit. he went back to his home

town. everyone said all along there is where he would get caught. jon: absolutely. rick leventhal and david lee miller. general in. jenna: we're getting word the president will speak on libya, 2:00 p.m. in the rose garden. more breaking news right after a quick break. [ male announcer ] are you considering a new medicare plan?

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jon: fox news alert. we have just learned that president obama will address the nation on the developments coming out of libya at 2:00 p.m. eastern time, a little bit more than an hour from now at the rose garden. this follows the libyan prime minister saying muammar qaddafi is dead. it echoes other reports that the so-called mad dog of the middle east, a man who has been a thorn in the side of the united states for decade, finally met his demise. the dictator who's 42-year reign of terror is linked to deadly attacks on americans including most famously the bombing of pan am flight 103. we have the former spokesman for the last four u.n. ambassadors to the united nations. rick your thought on finally the passing of this long-time dick indicator. >> my initial thoughts are thank god that the in 2003 he gave up his nuclear

weapons. if he had those weapons today we would have a struggle where those weapons go if they go into the wrong hand or what he mooif done in using them. the example that he saw in san diego sadd really i think enabled the bush administration to force him to give up those weapons. as you know, those weapons are in oak ridge, tennessee. my thought was thank heavens we're able to get those weapons secured back then. we still have a lot of mobile rockets we have to be concerned about and hopefully those on the ground and nato forces and french and british that are there helping can secure those quickly as possible. jon: also, you know, perhaps thank god for ronald reagan and the strike that he ordered that went after qaddafi. very nearly killed him back in the '80s after that berlin disco bombing was attributed to him. >> yeah there is no question about that too. there is lot of credit to go around. we can't forget the french and the british. sarkozy, this is a big win

for french president sarkozy because he really pushed the obama administration and this white house to actually do something. it took this white house a long time and i think they did too little too late but the french president really should get credit. he was the first one out and he was the first one to recognize the rebels, support the rebels with arms and with money. so this is a big win for the french much. jon: richard grenell, we want to ask you another question but we want to get some other breaking news including update on the baby lisa investigation in kansas city. we'll be back with you in is the enemy of instruction. you don't know the egos that i have to deal with. you're probably right. thank you! whoever you are i'm pretty sure that was phil jackson. he's quite famous... million championships... triangle offense innovator... [ male announcer ] the audi a8. named best large luxury sedan. nice wheels zen master. thank you...todd.

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jon: fox news alert. we are about to bring you some video just into the fox newsroom. it is graphic. we have to warn you that. that is muammar qaddafi apparently being hustled

into the back of some kind of a pickup truck in the moments before he died. this apparently would be after he was wounded but before he died. we are told that he is still alive in this shot. now, interesting, the other video that we have of him shows him quite clearly with a bullet hole in his head. that is what dr. michael baden's interpretation was at any rate. whether that hole exists in this video is not quite clear. it is not only hard to watch but also hard to see. hard to interpret what is taking place in that shot. let's get back to richard grenell. he is the former spokes man for the last four u.s. ambassadors to the united nations. what are your fears or maybe your hopes regarding this transitional national council? are they going to be strong enough to keep that very fractured country together in the days ahead? >> it remains to be seen. this is typical when a dictator falls to anticipate

what's coming next. i think we've got to be helpful as much as possible. we've got to get them their money. the united states has a lot of the libyan money that is theirs and we need to get that released. we need to recognize the rebels and work with them as much as possible. we're not on the ground. i think that's troubling. we need to scramble and get there as much as possible. i think we can also use this with syria. i think it has to be said that someone should be saying to bashar al-assad, look what is happening to qaddafi? do you want to end up this way? you need to give up and return the power to the people. i think what happened with iraq and saddam hussein really convinced qaddafi for a while that he should give up his weapons and allow a transition and he started down that road and then he failed to continue. and we can now use qaddafi's example to show others that they don't want to end up like this in the back of a pickup truck. jon: it has been a long time since the arab spring began

but very good points. richard, thank you. jenna: right now a massive effort underway to find missing baby lisa irwin in missouri. we're back with dr. baden who will give us perspectives. quickly here. we try to make sure we stay on the story, dr. baden. yesterday, a huge search at the house. the police called in bomb and arson squad officers. why would they do that? >> they will be looking for anything that is buried or anything underground evidence or a body underground would be what those divisions would have expertise in. jenna: they have special equipment? >> they have special equipment. they would be looking inside for any evidence of an intruder, hairs fibers. fingerprints, shoe points -- shoe prints to see if there is evidence of a intruder. jenna: after 17 days a baby goes missing what could happen 17 days that could compromise looking at the forensics in this house? >> supposedly the family did not return to the house once

the baby was reported missing. if the police were able to keep everybody out of the house, then the evidence should still be the same after 17 days. jenna: what would you be looking for? >> i would be looking for, some of the things that megyn kelly brought up, what was the bedding in the mom's bed like when, the mom passed out. she drank too much. she had a blackout. did she put the baby in her crib or in her bed. if she put the baby in her bed and went to sleep with the baby issue come up could there be accidental rollover kind of death. jenna: quickly, what about the dad? we don't hear a lot of suspicions raised about the dad. >> no. it would indicate perhaps the first time the dad hadn't returned home, that for the evening. so that would be a reason that the mom could be in the bed with the baby. at the same time, it appears when the dad gets back the baby isn't there. so, he may have very little to add to what's going on. but he does look kind of --.

jenna: we had suspicion but family innocent until proven guilty. >> yes, absolutely. jenna: dr. baden.ll we'll be right back.ea >> thank you, jenna gas and bloating. with the strains of good bacteria to help balance your colon. you had me at "probiotic." [ female announcer ] phillips' colon health. yeah, maybe not. v8 v-fusion juice gives them a full serving of vegetables plus a full serving of fruit. but it just tastes like fruit. v8. what's your number?

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