>> judge jeanine: tonight on "justice," shocking new details in the search for baby lisa. a cadaver dog makes a hit but new eyewitnesses step forward to support the kidnapping theory. plus -- day 18 and baby lisa is still missing. we're on the ground in kansas city. we have located the dumpster where that fire was reported on october 4. >> a fire the night she vanished. could it be a clue? plus -- >> did you have anything to do with your baby's disappearance?

>> no. >> body language expert tonya rye man. are the parents lying? coming up tonight on a special edition of "justice," where's baby lisa. hello and become "justice." i'm judge jeanine pirro. more twists and turns in the case of lisa irwin. but the question remains somewhere baby lisa? bomb shell after bomb shell this week in the case of missing baby lisa irwin. the search warrant obtained by "justice" reveals the parent is gave conflicting information during interrogation and deborah tells police she didn't look behind the house that night because she was "afraid of what she might find." our investigation dug up a few clues about that night that might help police solve the case. three witnesses have now come forward to say they saw a man walking with a baby sometime between 12:15 and 4:00 a.m. the morning lisa disappeared. >> the baby don't have a blanket or coat or nothing. >> we seen the little arm and then the leg was right here.

the parts of the body wee seep it didn't look like the baby had on any clothes at all, just a diaper. >> judge jeanine: could this baby be lisa irwin. also, in an interview last sunday, deborah says police asked her about burned clothing. >> during interrogation we found burned clothes. i hoped they weren't real. >> judge jeanine: why? an hour and a half before jeremy irwin called 911 the fire department responded to a fire in a dumpster near the irwin home. >> we located the dumpster where the fire was reported on october 4 in the early morning hours and i'm going to take a walk to it right now. the walk from the irwin house to this dumpster took me approximately five minutes. and driving it took about two minutes. the woods where the police repeatedly searched are right behind me.

could the fire in the dumpster be connected to baby lisa's disappearance? fox news contributors mark fuhrman, dr. michael baden, forensic pathologist and joey jackson our criminal defense attorney join me now. bomb shell week this week. what do you make of the affidavit in support of the search warrant? >> it is obvious, judge, that they are no longer looking for a live child. i think they would like to believe there is a possibility but all their efforts are going towards finding a body and now the cadaver dog, it actually indicates something that actually starts to fit in what deborah bradley has omitted and what she has actually stated and changed and deceived the detectives. it is starting to actually fit more than it is not. >> judge jeanine: and dr. baden, does it seem that, you know, the fact that a

cadaver dog hit would mean they are no longer looking for a live body? my sources in the p.d. tell me this is an active ongoing investigation. >> i agree this is an active ongoing investigation looking for a dead body actually. if the cadaver dog hit and he is accurate, that means the baby is dead because the dog is only smelling decomposition odors. >> and of this particular baby and not someone else as the defense has tried to suggest? >> well, nobody else is known to have died in the room and it would also go along with the fact that the baby may have died in the bed and then put on the floor and disposed of as we can talk about. >> judge jeanine: joey jackson, you are the defense attorney here. these guys have it all over. >> we have to be careful with the cadaver dogs. there could be false positives. it means an indication there may be the smell of death but the dog is wrong. you know when it comes to trial there will be major

cross-examinations -- >> of the dog? >> of the handlers and the way it is conducted and the fact they could be sensing death when it is not. also on the issue of the deceptions of the mother. we know a number of things. number one, she could have been embarrassed. >> judge jeanine: we will get to that. i want to talk about what is in the affidavit for the warrant and hang on to that thought, joey. what do you say to the defense saying this house is 60 years old and we don't know if somebody else died in that house. how long after someone dies does the scent of death attach so the dog would smell it? does there have to be decomposition? >> if you clean up the house and use defe detergent and clep the marks of decomposition that smell is not going to be around for long in my experience. >> witnesses saying we saw a guy with a baby in the early morning hours and there is a baby in a diaper, nothing else.

what does that tell you, joey? >> it speaks to the fact that the mother could very well have been, guess what, telling the truth. three of the witnesses, let's talk about it briefly. one of the people at 12:00, i guess it was the husband and wife who saw a person walking by who happened to have a baby that was unclothed. that is some what unusual i think we can all agree and that was corroborated by another individual on a motor ar motoro saw the same thing three niles away from there. >> does this keep it eye live in your mind, these witnesses? >> well, you would want to think there is some shred of hope. there was a four hour gap and you have two different sets of witnesses seeing something that could be a baby. let's just say it is a baby. could be a man or a woman. it was a cold evening. could be a woman that is dressed in a man's jacket or has her hair up. we really don't know. >> judge jeanine: they both said a guy with a t-shirt

carrying a baby in a diaper. >> judge, judge, you can't -- that doesn't support a kidnapping. it supports somebody has something that looks like a baby in a t-shirt that is probably a man. a cadaver dog supports much more in the house than someone walking around with a baby. i would like to say this to joey. would he go into a building that a bomb sniffing dog just came out and he actually keyed on a bomb in there? of course, not. >> i odd don't that. i wouldn't go into an airplane if they didn't do the checklist that was appropriate. the issue here is whether there is doubt. >> why is there a separate issue? these dogs are trained. these dogs are trained. >> doesn't make them in fallible, though. >> if i may, both of you are right in the fact that dogs can we wrong and eyewitnesses can be wrong and that is the problem that the police have. just because there are eyewitnesses doesn't mean they

are accurate and just because a dog indicates, it doesn't mean that the dog is accurate. >> judge jeanine: statistics are that in the dog hits they are more than 90% accurate according to statistics. i'm not saying it is one way or the other. what we are trying to figure out is who these people are and the kansas city p.d. is reported assaying we haven't discounted the reports and there is no reason to believe they didn't see what they say they saw. the miss ithe mystery continue. now, let's talk about the dumpster. i went to kansas city myself yesterday and took the walk from the home to the dumpster and then took a drive. the significance of that? there is a report there was a cell phone call at about 2:30 which is about the time there was a fire in the dumpster. how does that play in all of this? >> well, certainly you are trying to bracket the suspect's

movements with forensic evidence, electronic evidence or eyewitness. and unfortunately she hasn't allowed the detectives to actually interrogate her past that first moment i suspect h when she took a polygraph. if you start layering everything that she has changed, everything she refuses to answer, everything that we found to be a lie and this evidence from the affidavit if you see it, it is starting to layer in to more of a picture and just remember those witnesses and the cadaver dog can both be right. we have got a four hour spread of time there and we don't know what occurred. >> i think it layers into nothing. a puzzle where there are many more questions than there are answers. it is not at all painting a complete picture. there are reasons and a basis for her not to cooperate because she is being accused now. no longer a witness, being an accused person. >> judge jeanine: not yet accused because she is not

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>> well, it is difficult to put it together without an interrogation and any other evidence. we have something that the exact time of the cell phone transmission you have a fire. they have burned clothing. they confronted h her with this. she didn't admit anything. that is why they took clothing from the home. i'm sure that not only what she said the baby was wearing at the time that she last saw her is exactly what they took from the room. now, what was burning in the dumpster, what is missing from the home. i think it is a stretch but i think they are trying to put something together. >> judge jeanine: mark, it is interesting because she describes the baby as being put to bed with a purple short with a top with animals on it. in the return on the warrant they take out purrle shorts. what do you make of the dumpster, doctor? >> when there is a body missing

one of the things police have to look at it any dumpsters in the area and where the site where they are dumped into to examine because that is one of the ways that bodies are disposed are, adults or children. >> judge jeanine: and you make a great point because where the dumpster was dumped is in a land fill. the fbi went there a couple of times. joey jackson, do you buy the dumpster theory? >> no, not at all. >> judge jeanine: why? >> i think the police are doing a wonderful job in terms of going and executing the search warrant affidavit and taking items from the home. if there is some connection between potential things they have gotten at the home and things burned in the dumpster, i will say there is something else there. or wise i'm not sure are how a dumpster fire plays in the abduction here. >> judge jeanine: it is so close and the theory of how people may dispose of bodies.

dr. baden what is your theory it. >> my experience has been and those are other medical examiners when a healthy baby suddenly dies when in bed with a parent who is drunk. >> we don't know that the baby is dead. >> i'm saying if a death should have occurred the most common way of dying is by the in tok intoxicated parent rolling over and laying on baby. this is common, this is why babies are supposed to be put in cribs. and if the dogging honed in on the bedroom, that may have been evidence that the baby was there. she says she blacked out and didn't know where she was. under those circumstances she might very well have gone to bed with the baby in her arms. >> judge jeanine: and this is a phenomenon not unusual. do you buy that or think this baby was kidnapped? >> i think it is plussibl plaut

her story was right. i think she was some what reluctant to tell the police this. people are embarrassed about consuming alcohol jonz the four hours. >> with the time differencial and having to answer it. >> judge jeanine: you are saying this lady tells the world she last saw the baby at 12:30 at night. then she says really at 6:40. am i more worried about whether i had a few pops or do i want to find my daughter. and how dare you let the world think for 12 days that that baby disappeared at 12:30 and not 6:30. there is a whole window of opportunity where police could have investigated passers by. >> and that is what made you a great prosecutor. if there is that time differencial you know you will

be accused. if you say you didn't care for your child within that four hour period of time there will be accusations against you and as a result perhaps you are not as forthcoming as you need to be or should be. and exactly what she was is worried about, your honor, is what she got. why? she is being accused. >> why would it be more embarrassing or less embarrassing to admit that you last saw the baby when you are completely drunk to the point of blackout? wouldn't it be more plausible to say i saw the baby at 6:30 when i wasn't drunk. she is lying for a reason. >> she also said she wouldn't go into the back to look for the baby because she was afraid of what she would find. >> as any mother would say. >> judge jeanine: you are back later in the show. i asked a high powered new york defense attorney how damaging the new information from the police is to his clients. and then we try to unravel

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>> judge jeanine: high powered new york defense attorney joe tacapena has been hired to represent baby lisa's parents and he joins us now. welcome, joe. >> thanks, judge. >> judge jeanine: what do you make of dr. baden's theory that the whole thing is an accident and deborah may have accidentally rolled over the baby and the baby died by accident. >> i like michael baden. he is a good friend but it is good tv, i guess. there is not a stitch of

evidence at all in this case there is an accidental death caused by deborah. understand this is a woman, who family who is going through a tremendous, tremendous traumatic event. the disappearance of an 11 month old baby. she believes -- yeah? >> judge jeanine: you do have to admit there is damning evidence in the affidavit for the search warrant including the fact that police say that an fbi trained cadaver dog hit on the scent of a deceased body in the bedroom of deborah bradley on the floor near her bed. >> judge, that doesn't even concern me a little bit. it doesn't even cause me to waiver one second in my conviction that this woman had absolutely nothing to do with the disappearance of her baby. i have spoken to and we engaged one of the top experts in the

world on cadaver dogs. i have got the school in the last 24 hours in that discipline. i will tell you this. first of all, what the dogs are trained to scent is decomposition of human remains. that is what a cadaver dog does. aside from the timeline not working with, because the neighbors were with deborah and the baby was in the house up until 10:30 that night, they called 911 at 4:00 in the morning. with the other two boys in the bed, don't forget, her two other sons in the bedroom there is no scenario there would be time enough to cause any one to decompose. put that aside for a second because i don't believe she had anything to do with this. decomposition of human remains do you know what that includes, fecal matter? do you know what is in diapers, fecal matter. >> it is not decomposition. it is a deceased body. it doesn't say decomposition.

>> that is the detective's language. that is not an expert. i have spoken to the foremost expert in the field who testified and worked with the fbi and this individual says yes, the deceased body and the way they detect the deceased body is by decomposition. >> judge jeanine: i'm coming up against a hard break. did your client call her cell when she realized the baby was missing? did she try to call to see who would answer the cell? >> her cell was gone and those were the house phones. they had jeremy's work phone when went across to the neighbor's house. >> judge jeanine: did she call and -- the cells that were taken. >> let me finish. i'm trying to answer the question but it is not a yes or no answer. when jeremy was across the street he used his work phone to call 911 and they came immediately. deborah at this point was on the floor trembling. she didn't have her phone or a phone to call her cell phone.

so the answer is no but they gave the information to the police. >> judge jeanine: i guess the answer to the question is no. when exactly were you retained and will the benefacilities for continue to remain you based on the new information? >> you have been practicing for a long time. that is an attorney client matter. i don't get into who engaged me and who is footing my bill if you will. ing it irrelevant quite frankly. i have to tell you this if they had $5 million it wouldn't matter because i wouldn't be involved in the case if i believed deborah had anything to do with the disappearance of her daughter. >> will your are clients sit down with law enforcement now? >> they have for a grand total of 17 hours repeatedly over four times. are they consented to everything any asked them to. they want apes. what we don't want is to participate -- they want answers. we don't want to participate in

a witch hunt. imagine this, the responding detectives to the house that morning is that the responding detectives accused her of murder without a stitch of evidence and she is hooking to them to find her daughter. it is just not right. it is just not. >> does your client have an alcohol problem? >> i don't think she has an alcohol problem at all. she drinks wine at night. what is more important is the two witnesses that came to light. that the' real evidence. cadaver dogs are investigatory in nature and not evidencery in nature. they are certainly not used to convict. two witnesses a mile apart, judge who saw the same thing, 140-pound male holding a baby in a diaper are the morning much the disappearance, early morning hours of the disappearance. hopelely to that heeded will turn into something of fruition. >> joe, thank you for being with us this evening. >> okay, judge, thanks.

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her around 10:30 and the 10 month old was is asleep in her crib. this week she says she put her down at 6:40 p.m. because lisa was being fussy and at 10:30 p.m. >> when you went in at 10:30 after the neighbor left, what did you do? >> probably went right to my room. she has no recollection of checking on lisa. as far as that window, jeremy says he found pushed in as if someone broke in. in my interview they say they don't think an intruder could have come through there. >> could somebody have fit through the frame where it was popped? >> no. >> you said it was popped. >> nothing makes sense. >> judge jeanine: could someone have fit through that? >> if they had removed it all the way. why would you remove it and put it halfway back. that doesn't make sense. >> judge jeanine: this week they told a different tale. >> could someone get through that window. >> absolutely. >> do you think so? >> absolutely. >> judge jeanine: why is their story changing?

did these two have something to do with their daughter's disappearance? where is baby lisa? wild bill stanton is a private investigator hired by the mysterious benefactor to find baby lisa. all right, i hear you are wild tonight. you have been listening to the show? >> you know, your honor, i don't do many of these shows. i'm targeting it to get the message out. i know the doc, i know joey but i don't know mr. firman. joe. >> has it closest. mr. furman i have to tell you you are taking selected incidences and making great leaps. >> judge jeanine: let's start at the beginning. she tells everybody sh and she waits ten days and says 6:40.

>> i worked with joe and we are working parallel courses. there may come a time where we die verge and joe will say bill, you have no more contact with the family. i will tell you now minor adjustments you are telling a story and you think you know you are not sure. a lot of people are are congresswomanning at you with a lot of pressure. the timeline will tell the full story. if you going to tell me that this baby was killed in bed with the two sons and first is she drunk to the point of passing out? >> she says she almost blacked out and that is coming out of her mouth, bill. >> let's take that then. so you are drunk to the point of passing out and roll over on a child and have two children, are they drunk to the point of passing out? >> judge jeanine: hopefully she doesn't give them booze. >> he says it is not significant that she missed four hours that night. what do you say a, mark?

>> four hours is so significant can't i can't leave believe he would even say that. four hours in an investigation whether it as kidnapping or a homicide is a lifetime. and the only person that had contact with the victim is making that mistake. it is no the a mistake. become if abou -- it is not a mistake. if she blacked out, that means at 6:40 she was lieu sid and able to remember that. but now she remembers the blackout and then she just now remembers she put the baby down. that's huge. and can i just say one thing. if this was a straight kidnapping how did debra bradley conveniently lie about the timeline and fail a polygraph by her own words. won't admit to the cell phone call. admits she was drunk to the point she can't remember anything and then ironically a cadaver dog hitting on the

bedroom and we don't know when the other two boys came into the room, if ever. >> the one issue we have to consider, there is a reason, your honor, that polygraph tests are not admissible in court. they are unreliable. we can't base simply because there was some deficiencies in a polygraph test and take that to mean she is an outright liar who has no credibility. >> can i respond. take it point by point. again, i'm not the defense attorney. i'm teaing with the fact. >> judge jeanine: they told me nobody could get through the window. >> judge. >> judge jeanine: wait a minute, bill, i want to ask the question. the inconsistencies are clear. they told me three times no one could get through the window. 12 days later the answer is absolutely they could have gotten through the window, absolutely. how do you explain that? >> 60:00. is a witness that places her

there at 6:30 and a witness that was there until 10:30 and not went on in between because the witness is with the parent. at 10:30 lights out in the house. at 11:30, the witness sees the lights are still out because that witness is still out watching the house. so you tell me what happened? let's go with the timeline. >> judge jeanine: the neighbor who was drinking the vodka with h her was watching the who us to make sure the lights were still off? >> negative, your honor. she was in front of her home and they have a code if the lights are out you don't come over. you are telling me one has to believe and listen i'm open to it. tell me how this is done that the baby is killed by accident. when? how is the baby taken out. >> we have a six hour period from 10:30 to 4:00 bill. when all the hyperbloe is done,

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>> judge jeanine: we are back with my guests and i'm going to go back to wild bill stanton. if the front door is unlocked why are people climbing through a window? >> we don't know that they did climb through the window. and again, not defending the parents but the parents aren't experts in cat burglary. they don't know what happened. more to the point is you tell me how they did it. and everybody is saying they did it but no one is telling me how. look to the witnesses. >> judge jeanine: , bill, what is your theory for a kidnapping? tell me how you come to that conclusion? >> because i have gone over hours with my team and friends that i have around the country in law enforcement and when i enlighten them to the exact facts as you and i discuss, it virtually can't be done. then what happens once you eliminate that, then you introduce the fact that maybe it was either done for someone wanted the child, someone is looking to sell the child or it was a revenge thing. and there are theories out

there. >> judge jeanine: this dumpster fire is just coincidence, right? >> i'm noting if to speak to the dumpster fire. >> judge jeanine: but you are doing an investigation? >> i'm not speaking to you about the fire. i'm speaking to the fact -- >> judge jeanine: speaking to the kansas city p.d. >> in the house and the timeline. the timeline says a lot. >> i think what happened when the mom says that the window was open and indicates that it is her later theory that somebody came in through the window, the windows always have tremendous amount of forensic evidence. fingerprints, shoe prints. clothing. fibers. so the police would have and should have looked at all of these things and apparently to this time have found nothing to indicate there was a break-in through the window, through the screen window which would have shown a lot of evidence that it happened. >> judge jeanine: what do you make of the fact they told me three times no way somebody

came through the window. 12 days later absolutely somebody came through the window. what is going on here, mark? >> they is say somebody came through the window. not only is there so much evidence outside coming in to the window and scraping fabric and skin cells and everything coming in the window. you end up crawling on the floor and touch the carpet. you leave hair, you leave fiber and then you are going out the front door you will leave evidence that matches the window and hair and fiber going out. >> here is the concern that i have. i think there is an undue focus on the parents at this point. the reason that concerns me is when you focus on one party you exclude others. the investigation has to be broad. >> judge jeanine: guys, i want to say thank you so much. up next, our body language expert tells us what baby

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>> judge jeanine: welcome back to "justice." i interviewed the parent ares of lisa irwin days after she went missing but last sunday the irwins save a series of interviews and some facts of their story changed. what does it all mean? joining me now, body language expert tonya reiman. thank you for joining us. when i spoke with the couple i asked jeremy directly about police accusations against deborah. take a look at this one. when the police are pointing the finger at debbie, for one second did you think she must know something that i don't know? >> no, i mean there is no way

that she knows anything more than i do. i mean it was never -- it was never an issue for me. they kept saying stuff and it is all part of their job. it didn't really make any difference. >> judge jeanine: how does that hit you? >> it is having because he is stoic.timon he is trying to make contact with her eye contact with h her and she doesn't resi reciproca. >> i thought it was a little bizarre other her part. i haven't had an opportunity to baseline her that much. that could just be how knee normally reacts. >> judge jeanine: you find him credible by looking town at her.

>> in that one moment, i did because he is trying to connect with they are and she is not see sip kateing. >> what does that tell you? >> i can't be sure because i don't know what the baseline is. but it is bizarre. >> judge jeanine: listen to what deborah says when asked a direct question about lisa's disappearance? >> did you have anything to do with your baby's disappearance? >> no, nothing. >> no. >> did you kill little lisa? >> no. >> no. >> she is still alive some where. >> what is interesting also. she always takes the lead. if you watch throughout each and every interview she answers first and then he follows and repeats her answer typically. when she is asked about did you have anything to do with your child gone missing i would have expected a no, absolutely not, no way. and she is very kind of deadpan like no, no. i wanted to see more -- a more emphatic answer there. >> judge jeanine: we are not talking about did you get the

pizza last night. we are talking about your missing daughter. >> no, i did not have anything to do with this. something that shows the drama of what she is experiencing. >> judge jeanine: this week lisa's parents spoke with "good morning america." they talked about burned clothes found in a burning dumpster near their home early that morning. take a look. >> you said that what you have been told has been lies. what do you mean by that? >> during interrogation we found this, they showed me burned clothes and they showed me a doppler thing with ping from my cell phones and i'm led to believe at this point that none of that was real. i hope the burned clothes weren't real. >> we go back to what emotion can we see. we see two thing there's. the first is sadness. you is see her eyebrows change and then she is experiencing

sadness. then she experiences fear, the wees widening. when you see fear you recognize that suddenly she is scared of something that has been said. it could be the thought of something that was said, the burned clothes. >> judge jeanine: that could be she is worried about the burned clothes or the baby or worried that somebody has found out something significant. >> right. can't tell yet. >> deborah's admission that she failed the lie detector test raised several eyebrows. take a look at this one. >> the police said you failed the polygraph miserably. did they tell you what questions you failed? >> yes. >> what questions? >> do i know where she's at. >> and what did you say to them when they told you that? >> that's not possible. i have absolutely no idea where my daughter is. if i knew, she would be with me. >> she is very consistent.

as she is speaking what i'm looking for is like we talked about earlier, baselines and she consist independentl consid to the right. she is going to the same area of her brain for the answers. she is looking up to to the right and that gives me an adethat she is being honest there. >> maybe she is looking to remember what she said last time. >> that's possible. >> judge jeanine: because she failed the lie detector. >> typically when you go to make something up you would go to the other side. >> judge jeanine: when i interviewed irwins deborah told me she last checked on lisa at 10:30 and that was the last time she saw her. she admitted she had been drinking wine with a friend. listen to what she says last sunday about the timeline and the amount of alcohol that she had to drink that night. >> what time did you put lisa down to bed initially. >> 6:40. >> and that is her normal bed

time? >> usually between 7:30 and 8:00 but she had been kind of fusscy and he decided to put her down. >> how drunk were you? >> just drunk? >> were you slurring your words or slummabling? >> i don't think so, no. >> do you remember the period well? >> no. >> is it possible you had a blackout? >> it is a possibility. i mean just like anybody else when you don't drink you don't remember the things that happened but it, once again, has nothing to do with my daughter. >> judge jeanine: what is interesting is just based on what you said last time when you said do you remember she looked right so she was trying to remember according to -- i'm a good student, right? >> right. >> but then could you have done something. tell me what you think. >> two things bother me. number one, i saw a one sided shoulder shrug. when somebody is making a statement and shrug one of their shoulders the first instinct is they are telling you they don't know the answer. the fact that she gave the one

sided shrug tells me that that is kind of telling you i don't really know if this is true. more importantly is the frustration of if she leaves there is a possibility she blacked out how can she be sure that nothing happened to her daughter due to that. like unless she knows where her daughter is, that blackout. >> judge jeanine: let's take a look at that again. when exactly does she shrug. can you run that again. >> were you slurring your words were you stumbling. >> i don't think so, no. >> do you remember the period well? >> no. >> is it possible you had a blackout. >> it as possibility just like anybody else when you drink you don't remember the things that happened but it, once again, has nothing to do with my daughter. >> that is when she shrugs. >> that means she doesn't know if the alcohol had something to do with her daughter missing. >> i have no idea is really what she said, i have no idea.

>> judge jeanine: thank you so much. thanks for being with us. that's it for us tonight. if you have any information related to the disappearance of baby lisa the kansas city police department want to hear from you.appl 816-474-tips. thanks for joining us.ess. captioned by closed captioning services, inc. ten of 'em. perfect. add blind spot monitor. 43 mpg, nice. dependability. yeah. activate dog. a bigger dog. [ male announcer ] introducing the reinvented 2012 toyota camry. it's ready. are you? ♪ so i wasn't playing much of a role in my own life, but with advair, i'm breathing better so now i can take the lead on a science adventure. advair is clinically proven to help significantly improve lung function.

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