>> this is a fox news alert. i am geraldo rivera. i am live in lower manhattan. very close to wall street where these demonstrators around me are now in their second month. we are drawn here at night because of all of the outrageous reporting that has been going on through who's fault i don't know everything from rape to robbery has been alleged in this overnight crowd. over there local congressman michael grimm. he is here speaking with some of the occupy wall streeters. he will be joining us from nearby staten island.

>> i am here to represent me as a person and unify me with every other individual person. >> do you feel in peril or danger. >> by what? by voices? what are voices going to do? just a voice an opinion. it's an idea. if you are ignorant you are starir scared of ideas. we have police forces carefully monitoring. >> congressman come on in. do you feel threatened at all? >> i don't feel threatened. >> it's kind of a benign crowd. >> i am also a combat veteran in the marine corps. i don't feel threatened very easily. >> i was going to ask you about libya and iraq. we will have plenty from the crowd. you can see they are having chanting and poetry readings and everything else you could possibly image. first i want to go to politics full contact politics of a more

traditional kind. did you see the last gop presidential debate? what does that blogger from the politics and gop? what was it about the dynamic between mitt romney and rick perry that concerns you? >> number one, they continue to fight and it's almost as if two cats or two dogs are going after each other. >> mitt you lose all of your understanding from my perspective because you hired illegals in your home and you knew about it for a year, and the idea that you stand here before us and talk about that you are strong on immigration is on its faith the height of hypocrisy. (laughter) >> rick, i don't think i have ever hired an illegal in my life. i am looking forward to finding

your facts on that. >> i'll tell you what the facts are. you had the -- >> i am speaking. i am speaking. i am speaking. >> once or twice last night the level of intensity particularly between governors perry and romney got to be almost like 7th graders in a schoolyard. i felt very comfortabuncomforta. i thought it hurt the entire republican party. >> did i need to walk around and go between them and say let's just get along. >> they had illegal immigrant working there and when that was pointed out we let them go. >> did you -- >> you have a problem with allowing someone to finish speaking. i suggest if you become president of the united states you have to let both people speak. let me speak. >> hollering and hooting. are republicans eating their young? one of the most gracious and measured political voices here to comment former governor presidential candidate mike huckabee. >> great to see you.

they are scoring the knife cuts in each other. is that to the benefit of obama? >> it is good for obama not good for the republican party. what we had cause virtually a cage fight. it was staged that way by anderson cooper and cnn to let it go and not moderate the debate but toss the meat for the hungry lions fight over and then go after it. in the exchange you showed mitt romney had the upper hand on that for one reason. it wasn't what he said it's the way he said it he said it with a smile and exuberance of confidence. if you saw his body language and his face he looked really angry. he looked frustrated. people will look and judge more by what they see than what they hear and what they saw was one candidate who said hey you got to role with this stuff if you want to run for president and the other one looked liefkz

ready to take his tie and coat off and tear into the other guy. >> i was surprised he didn't when romney laid his well man tour -- manicured hand on his shoulder. >> the great thing he could have done is just not make any move no physical but look at his hand and say are you kidding me? humor defuses that kind of attention. >> i thought the plethora of debates was excessive. however i must say in watching them and in watching the ratings for them. they have become a reality show in a sense. >> creating a version of american idol. for all practical purposes people are watching and calling in and getting an opportunity to score who wins who loses. what we need is>> american idol

plus the cage fight. >> yeah. that may be the next big show. >> abortion should not be legal. that is clear. but if the family made a decision to break the law that's that familiar lace decision. that's all i am saying. >> did cain sabotage his campaign. >> they use the language that the people on the left say -- >> sounded like mario cuomo. >> he is trying to walk that back and come back and say it. it will be difficult for them in places like iowa. >> i believe herman cain has peaked. also the 999 exceptions that he is now discovered the 909 it seems to me his support was thin iffy motionnal and he will save. >> i think he had a bold plan and i don't think it was all that superficial. it had real merit. once he started changing it he

loses what was most appealing which was simplicity. >> michelle bavp man is sh -- bachmann is she over? >> she is not over but she has to get a handle on her strategy. she has to have an organization that is helpful. she doesn't have to win but those first three states really determine who moves on and who moves out. >> there's an old saying behind every successful manl there's a woman a loving giving caring woman. you wouldn't know about that dan bauz because there's no saying about what's behind a miserable failure. >> jane, you ignorant slut. >> you remember the old "saturday night live" skit. is that what the debates will finely be? >> they are getting very very quickly. it's a detriment to the republican party. it's a dangerous thing to get

into a free for fall cat night. they have to watch it in the opposition commercial wills that will be used against them. >> you don't have credibility when it comes to repealing obama care. your plan was the basis for obama care. >> you had your chance let me speak. >> you are out of time. you are out of time. >> two more fox news debates coming. >> great to see you geraldo. >> thank you very much. >> we will have more on the republicans on whether or not they are cannibalizing each other. the candidates will have much much more from occupy wall street at night. the very latest on baby lisa and libya particularly the savage death of moammar gadhafi. and iraq we are pulling out by the end of the year. from wall street sgluk cat this park. [ male announcer ] the cold aisle can be overwhelming.

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>> who won the debate last night? >> romney. perry lost decisively. nobody likes a dirty fighter. >> says romney wins the debate and you say? >> i would hand it to rick perry. him showing a little bit of energy and fight landed a couple punches. he did as well as he has done in any of these debates. >> who won the debate last night? >> i am going to make it a horse race. i am going to say obama won i am going to say in the two slot we had romney in the show position we had gingrich, i am going to say my guy her man finished out of the money. i am going to say rick perry you may have to bring out one of the hospital screens and put him down in the back stretch. >> i think tennis miller hit it on the head with lobing ccal congressman michael grim former

fbi agent now here occupy wall street. want to show you what was going on. appreciate him coming down. what about the debates? too rough, too visceral too cutting? >> no. this is a very very important election. it will be a tough mrierm re. we knew that. people want to hear a robust debate no punches pulled that's what you are seeing. >> noah joins us she is in little rock tonight. bill blakeman also here former george w. bush. because i miss named you brad let me get you first. what do you think of the debate? >> i think the debates certainly were more reality television. having said that i think it is te time for candidates to get more substantive. don't get suckered into reality

television get above that and start showing who supports you start telling us who are your foreign policy experts to rely on economic experts and trade experts. now is the time to set yourself apart from substance and not get suckered into the back and forth got you questions and parlance between the candidates. >> noel brad says stop the bickering. on the other hand aren't you really loading up the democrats with sound bytes to use as governor suck bee said in t-- governor huckabee said? >> no, not at all. >> this is a campaign not a couple by a -- cumbia campfire. we elected someone inexperienced and we see the result of that because we didn't hammer him that much. we have to hammer all of these candidates. if it's a fight it's a fight. they have to defend their

positions and they need to let us know what they stand for. i am sorry if it's too shhot in the kitchen, get out. >> brad, you have a president who is looking good at least in libya. that's usually the strong suit in gop foreign policy. is he the potential dark horse? >> no fun intended? >> i think obama is in real trouble. he has had foreign policy successes. can't take that away from him. capturing bin laden and others is good. he made a good is he significan -- good decision. let's see if he gives some credit to george w. bush for the policies he was against this election will turn on the economy it is all about the economy. this is where that president has failed us.

>> noel will republicans use the iraq pullout just announced by the end of this year? >> yes, absolutely. i do feel obama is toast. he was nothing but a brand. obama was elected just as you would market bmw, coca-cola and gucci. he is nothing more than a brand. he has no experience. yes he has done good things on his watch but the military should be cred itded for some of those good things. this is just by luck. it is going to be a republican year in 2012. everything he has done has pretty much failed with the exception of bin laden and other things. i would give credit to the military. sorry. >> that is a big exception. >> the iraq pullout? are you going to use that against obama in december? >> i don't think we should be using that politically.

i was there recently. they were worried about keeping them safe in aggression from iran. it's a real issue. something we have to look at. our troops had a big victory we don't want to give that victory back. >> thank you. i will never call you bob again. congressman michael grimm stand by. we are going to take a break much more to come the lathes on baby lisa. what's with the mystery man and occupy wall street. raise that camera high let them see what we are doing here. lots of folks on a balmy night. what happens in february? will they still be here when the winter wind blows off the hudson river. we will be right back. [ female announcer ] in the coming weeks and months, you may notice something a little different about eggland's best eggs. now, in addition to the taste and nutrition you and your family love, eggland's best will proudly be displaying its support

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>> even a mass murdering dog never deserved to die like this. he is roughed up kicked around hooded, prodded, shot. stomped some more. then shot again. despite his pleas for his captors to act like real muslims and asking them what did i do to you? the end of qaddafi is savage and bar-baric. qaddafi's son's death is just as crude. he is caught on tape smoking his last cigarette having a sip of water before some revolutionary hero kills him, too. i have nothing against assassinating enemy dictators. they put osama bin laden down shot in the face. that came into the heat of the battle not at all like the cold blooded torture and murder of the libyan king of kings. we had the decency swiftly and

respectfully to dispose of bin laden in the ocean. we didn't put him on display in the neighborhood meat locker. the point is like the utter lack of courage and discipline i saw during the fighting the death of the dictator is graphic evidence of how tough it is going to be to get libya patched up enough to rejoin the family of civ civilized nations. >> we are back live in occupy wall street.com. grand rapids michigan where congressional veteran house intelligence chair pete hoekstra joins us. congressman hoekstra met qaddafi several times. can you briefly give us what your feelings are on the withdraw from iraq at the end of the year? >> it is very straight forward.

we are moving to an orderly transition going down to 15,000 troops to make sure the iraqi military the security forces could transition to no u.s. support. we are going to miss that step. it is going to be a crap chute what happens when all u.s. troops are gone. >> a crap chute it may be but it has been an awful 8 years ten times there i have seen it so many good people killed congressman, 4,400 some odd plus a trillion dollars spent. let's leave iraq for another night. let's go to libya. are you as worried as i am that the transitional government or whatever takes the place of the qaddafi dictatorship will make a bad situation worse sfwh? >> geraldo i think your intro segment got it exactly right. there's a tremendous amount of work that needs to be done in libya just like there's a tremendous amount of work that needs to be done in egypt and

tonenesia. northern africa provided a buffer. the rulers that were in place partnered with us against radical jihadists they lept a lid on northern africa. who knows what will happen in each of these countries. what happened the last few days it's a victory qaddafi has gone. how some of these happen has to be of concern to us. >> are you worried the future will be more troubling than the qaddafi dictatorship. >> i am not sure it will be more troubling but it may create new challenges for the united states. it's a muslim brotherhood that comes to power in egypt. if they are part of the government in libya if the again the islamists have control in tonenesia it will create a whole new set of problems in the united states in our war against terror. remember this northern part of africa this is the gateway into

western europe. we knew what we were dealing with with mubarak and qaddafi and tone nearunisia. it will not be easy. i think the problems will be very will be very significant. >> that's pete hoekstra, ladies and gentlemen. he met qaddafi several times. he is running for senate. our guy just turned his light out. thanks pete. really good luck with your race. gadha qaddafi, libya. could it be worse than now? >> that is always the problem. the devil you don't know could be worse than the devil you know. we have to hope and pray it is better than it is. qaddafi is pretty bad. >> awful and a mass murdering dog. >> the way they killed him makes you worry about. >> that is obviously the

concern. we hope that someone will come in and give these people what they want which is liberty and freedom and treat them like human beings stop the atrosit - atrocities against humanity. there is very little we can do right now in america. it's really in god's hands to some extent. >> god and nato. >> we will be right back with the latest on baby leta alisa and more as we continue with occupy wall street. ♪

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al quirky had cheapest 3.15 a gallon la the most expensive at 3.86. back to geraldo at large. >> this is a fox news alert. it is a relatively mild night on wall street. the winter is am coulding. with it new york's brutal cold which will have a larger impact i think on what happens here than all of the political manifest manifestos. a closer look at sgluk at this zuccotti park is coming up. >> three weeks after the baby disappeared from the home nearly three weeks ago despite massive media attention being paid to alleged mystery men one carrying

a near naked baby in his arms. most of the police attention still focuses as it should on lisa's parents especially her mother debbie. >> how much did you consume that day? >> i had several glasses of wine. >> when you say several more than three? >> yeah, but that has nothing to do with her. >> more than 5? >> probably. >> more than 10? >> no. >> were you slurring your words or stumbling? >> is it possible you had a blackout? >> it's a possibility. >> if you drink you don't remember the things that happened. >> that she had been drinking had drunk passed out it falls into a category of mom's or parents sleeping on babies while impaired by drink or drugs.

i don't think she has an alcohol problem at all. she drinks alcohol. more important is the two witnesses that came to light yesterday. that's a vital fact in this case. cadaver dogs are used in an investigation but not to bring somebody to justice. two witnesses a mile apart saw the same thing 142 pounds baby in a diaper. the morning hours of the disappearance. >> here we are we are live now the same forensic pathologist dr. michael baden. >> arthur idol law you did one astute observation i thought. >> she was drunk and maybe accidentally killed his kid.

>> the most common reason a baying bee dies sleeping with a parent intoxicated rolling over on to the child suffocating the child. this has been true for bsince biblical days. >> king solomon had a baby that died because of the mom rolling over. >> slightly over weight or over weight woman drunk rolls over. >> that is the most common reason for babies dying. she was drunk she blacked out. if she put the baby in bed with her which was likely she rolled over the baby she woke up found out the baby was dead suffocated been embarrassed. >> in a panic. >> if that happened geraldo. >> in the state of new york it's

a $50 fine for illegal disposing of a body. improper disposing of the body. >> what about the mystery man the one walking with a near naked baby. >> law enforcement has followed up on that a a thousand leads they haven't gotten anything. you can't blame them>> you don't want them to rule out the bottom line is you have a man haunted f f -- manhunt military, the national guard. everyone looking for the child dead or alive and they can't find her. they have to keep going and going and going until the mystery is solved. >> the intruder came through a screen window there would be a treasure trove of forensic evidence of people leaving behind prints, dna, fibers,

hair. i don't think there's any evidence that there is an intruder. >> somebody handed that child through the screen to an outsider. what if dad came home, you know how much that baby is worth on the open market a healthy infant like that hundreds of thousands of dollars. >> that's an unlikely way it happened. it's very unlikely. >> it is a death an accidental death and outside job. >> people are hearing everything that's going on. we will focus on occupy wall street after dark. people are compassionate open minded we have others who are

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it will impact what is going on here. craig spent the night here on friday night. here is his report. >> since the 17th of september occupy wall streeters have occupied zuccotti park here in downtown manhattan. when i say occupy they are really occupying. they have their own library and they have their own clinic here a lot of facilities set up for these poem who are staying here and intend to stay here through the winter. is that right? >> that's the plan. stay here as long as it takes. >> if it were possible it would take time. about 130 were arrested for refusing to leave the park. 1100 were in cincinnati.

>> they are frustrated the economy wasn't working 99 percent. >> it was a night in zuccotti park talking about how clear their occupation works. >> i think a lot of core people who are sleeping on the ground it's really cold here by the way. >> organizers have a media death and illegal department for protestors raised during run in's with the cops. there's an on-site medical unit. >> what are the ailments? >> the most common has been hypothermia. >> any other injuries? >> drummers come in with blisters all over their hands. >> occupational hazard. >> noise complaints have poured in forcing organizers to go easy on the bongos. sanitation is also a concern. >> it is a mess.

they don't have not one single cause. >> it has also become a magnet for tourists. >> they have no right to complain. it represents them trying to speak up and make a difference. >> you better do something about it better come up with solutions to the problem such as people losing their house unemployment new jobs. >> what if they say they don't have the money we are in a recession. >> with social security what they saw here now with see what they can do with it. >> you are not touching it are you? >> the news here in sgluk at

this park other than protestors a fire broke out in the high rise equitable building on the 28th floor. this hits sal leap on the arm. >> it is interesting first of all firefighters in new york are part of the 99 percent. they have much of a stake fixing the economy as the folks caddie corner in the park. >> 7:00 and there is a group practicing yoga together so they are getting exercise as well as expressing their opinions. >> it is now 8:30 on saturday night. things quieted down. there is no more drumming part of the agreement that the occupy wall street predecessors have what the neighborhood watch group. what you hear in the background is general assembly is a meeting to decide what the group is going to be doing the following

day. >> 9:00 and people are now starting to settle in for the night. they have their plastic tarps here the other day there's a terrible rainstorm and a lot of people get saturated but they still remain. >> 10:00 friday night>> i love my child and family and my country. i want him to share it. >> sex, drugs and rock and roll if it was confined to the privacy of pumpkins and tarps the night passed uneventfully except when a 21-year-old scaled the park 70 foot high sculpture threatening not to come down until new york's mayor bloomberg resigned a goal only slightly more possible than the protestor's desire to end greed on wall street. >> these people are sleeping on the ground. they believe so strongly in our

economy and america and democracy that they want to participate with their own bodies. that is the embodiment of our nation of our founding story of what our country is supposed to allow us to do to participate in our own process. >> craig is here with me live in sgluk at this park. i saw the general assembly in your peace. do they have the agenda? >> occupation. that's the main thing they do. the general assembly for the most part is how the occupation, halloween coming up they have the occupation 11-11 where they go to central park. how are they going to put the occupations together rather than a specific line they are going after. >> what is your goal.

>> it is every where possible. a large amount of people that has been deeply profoundly... by the system. >> i hope you bleaked th -- ble that. >> you promised me no cursing. that's lame. >> my name is ned i am one of the occupiers of america. i have been here since day one before it happened. >> for what honey? a where are you going? aside from the fact that you are suffering from hypothermia it will be pneumonia then what? >> we are a family. we stick together. we americans become one. we are changing the system. >> that is why there has been a lot of support from the community. the intention is very necessary. we have general welfare we have

been trying to promote. we are occupying wall street. we want them to be inhabited by wall street. >> why are you so angry? we were concerned about the platform being used for any one's personal political gain. what we are here for is freedom justice and economy we are living greedlessly in the shadow of wall street. >> why are you ducking away? >> i went to medical school in the 60s. medical students don't get involved in this. >> if you are remembering you weren't really there. that is a pretty good looking mustache. >> we got it in a competition there. >> where are you from? >> this is prep pos truss. >> do you know where you are from? >> los angeles. >> you can't dress for this?

>> yes, i did. >> sex drugs and rock and roll no crimes. there hasn't been anything they are here they have been controlling themselves and for the most part things have been calm. >> congressman michael grimm republican from scat ten island. gives us his take. we will be right back after this. [ male announcer ] the cold aisle can be overwhelming. [ coughs, sniffles ] especially when you're sick. now, with new simpler packaging, robitussin® makes it simple to get the right relief for your symptoms. new simpl packaging, same effective relief. robitussin®. relief made simple.

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>> a protester occupied wall street proposed to his girlfriend. his exact words were would you occupy my parent's basement with me until i get a job? >> funny. we are back live here.

ladies and gentlemen i apologize for what that one person did with the obscenity. we are really live live so we couldn't bleep it in time. we will for the reruns. it was so lame. i hope it doesn't mean we won't be able to come cover this any more. congressman michael grim from nearby staten island and brooklyn. why did you come down here? >> i don't want to be a hypocrite. i want to lead from the front. i have been interviewed a lot by occupy wall street. they said come down and talk to us. i am here to talk i haven't had my questions answered. not exactly sure what the message is. i started off as research analyst and small cap equities.

>> i think it is bigger than that americans pitting each other against americans. against capitalism. that is what this country was founded on. i think when times get tough america is known for coming together. that's what wished be doing coming together with a nation and not class warfare. >> it started with glass warfare. >> taxing the rich republicans want to protect the rich. that's not true. we want this country to grow. >> we are going to do that by working together. >> why are you here? >> i agree with having to do something to actually get noticed. it will make people noticed. >> that's all i want. i am happy with that. i am a welder and i can't find a

job i. praying that -- >> for real? >> i am serious. i pray the union takes me in june. who knows. that would be $60 an hour. i don't know what that means to you to be honest with you. with me that is tremendous. i could do all that. why the majority of occupying are going to pay me $13. i am a we would der. i think 19,000 dollars i paid so i could get the certificate. i invested in myself. >> let me get an answer from the congressman. >> the government is not always the answer. what i think were the big misses government should be creating an environment where a prosperous economy can grow. from that the by product are jobs. when the president talks about creating jobs --

>> i am a welder. cross that bridge you can see the steel beams. why aren't we working on that? this is supposed to be the best city in the world. >> why did we wait on the stimulus package and do no infrastructure package. >> waste a trillion dollars in there. >> ladies and gentlemen thank you. congressman you are really a good man and i appreciate you. that's what i hope comes of this real dialogue not the freak show. >> i want people to check it out. here it is. we are at occupy wall street. no rapes, no robberies, but a lot of disorder. mostly friendly. what's that david? >> any welders local in jersey call david stewart. >> i think this will go on really until the weather gets

cold but one day intends to accomplish what they hope to accomplish i don't think they know any more than we do, but we will continue to cover it if we can. we have at least somebody who was chanting. craig are you going to come back? you got your spot reserved? >> i have my spot reserved. you can see a warm welcome. >> warm welcome. >> very warm. >> all right. lots of bodies to push you around. we have been live from zuccotti park. thank you very much for watching. once again i apologize for the obscenity. keep watching. thank you very much. [ inner voice ] establish connection. give me voice control. applications up. check my email and text messages. hands in position. airbags. ten of 'em. perfect. add blind spot monitor. 43 mpg, nice. dependability. yeah. activate dog.

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