i'm bill o'reilly. please always remember that the spin stops right here. we are definitely looking out for you. >> rick perry takes a page out of herman cain's playbook and offers up his own flat tax plan. >> today i lay before the american people my cut, balance and grow plan. >> so can this be the moment that the pair campaign turns the corner? with the shadow of sharia law looming over libya, how can this affect peace? pat buchanan is here. and michele bachman pushes forward in iowa as her campaign gets hit of rumors of defections and in-fighting. she will join me live with her

latest on the path to the white house. and plus details on the shocking new proposal for a middle school sex ed curriculum in new york city that has parents outraged. we are on the road to 2012 and hannity starts right now. >> presidential candidates rick perry unveiled a bold plan in north carolina today and the key point of his proposal is the 20% flat tax. let's take a look. >> today i lay before the american people my cut, balance and grow plan. it cuts taxes, and it acu my plg every american the option of throwing out that 3 million words of the current tax code, and i might add the cost of complying with all of that code, in order to pay a 20% flat tax

on their income. the best representation in my plan is this postcard. this is the sides what have we are talking about right here. taxpayers will be able to fill this out and file their taxes on that. >> h & r block won't be happy. some of his opponents in the race to have the white house, they have not been so complimentary. earlier today former speaker of the house, newt gingrich, issued a press release that his plan will result in more job creation in the u.s. gingrich plans calls for a 15% flat tax compared to perry's 20%. he also proposed a lower corporate tax rate. who has the proposal that will help you, the american people, back to work? joining me with answers, the host of varney and company, stewart varney.

and she deals with beckel every single solitary day -- >> it's a pleasure. >> it is. look, what i like more than anything is that i like cain is talking about major revisions in the tax code. newt is in his plan. perry is today in his plan. is this the result of herman cain 9-9-9? >> yes, because he blazed the trails. he went up in the pole because he had a simple tact reform plan that was pretty radical. he made progress doing that. he dragged everybody else with him and i think this is now front and center and the issue, the debate point in the election of 2012. i think it's a fabulous thing. >> is changing the tax code the answer at this time? >> yes. >> i would like to see a change because it's so burdensome. >> yes. how else are you going to get the private sector really fired up and moving again? it's got to be tax reform. lower rates, fewer debe -- deductions and get the private

sector going. the private sector has to do it, not deposit. >> i agree. what i love about this primary season has been that republicans have been more bold in their proposals, and one person we didn't talk about is governor jon huntsman who came out with his plan about two months ago, well received on the conservative side. all of these plans have people that are criticizing them. but taken as a whole, there is a movement that they realize we cannot grow this economy unless we deal with tax reform. what bothers me is you hear some people say, yeah, but that will never pass the congress. we shouldn't support that because it will never pass. i don't think that's necessarily true. i think a new president with a new congress could actually get it done. >> if this is the result of herman cain 9-9-9, one thing that's happening already is herman cain is sustaining his poll strength. >> right. >> the poll came out today. cbs news, new york times . cain 25, and mit22 and perry 10.

>> it's easy to understand. >> am i gleaning from this, mr. varney, sir that's correct you support this? >> i support the idea of radical tax reform, lower rates and fewer deductions. >> or do you support 9-9-9 oregon a flat tax? >> i like newt gingrich proposal, and i like the perry proposal because it has the best chance of passing because it's optional. that's a big deal. and i like the cain plan because of its simplicity. >> i don't think cain is that simple. >> 9-9-9, people seem to understand it. >> i think the consumption tax, and talking about a national sales tax, there is still room i think for discussion about that because that capture a lot of the underground economy and deals with the issue of lower income people not having to hopefully pay as much as the rich. >> but look at these policy today. you have the majority of the country now, 70% of this country

thinks that america is in decline. and by the way, they are right, it is in decline. i'm looking at the economic situation, the european union, you know, greenspan says likelihood of a collapse or the strong possibility of a collapse. what does that mean for the u.s. and our economy? some say it's another recession. >> this is profoundly un-american. i've been here 40 years. america is a get up and go society, dynamic. that's what it is. prosperity is it's very nature. that's america. we are nowhere near that at this moment. we are going in the opposite direction. we are become more and more like europe and people don't like that. >> i think if you were to design a system from scratch, wipe the slate clean. >> we will make you president. >> that wouldn't be very good. but if you were to design the best, fairest tax system, what would it be?

and forget about all the noise of what could pass and how many electoral votes you could get. >> i would pick the fair tax. >> right. and the debate is still open. >> what would you pick? >> i think i would do a consumption tax as well. >> because it picks up the underground economy. if drug dealers or criminals want to buy a car, they pay. want to buy a house, they pay. >> and people hear sometimes a national retail sales tax, they think on top of that i have to pay my state income tax. >> but you eliminate the irs. >> the simplicity point is important. i don't think perry goes enough on the simplicity point. the postal card is ant excellent prop, even though the postal service is going toy way. they say one plan with the perry man is because it's an option, instead of being able to reduce the amount of time of figuring out your taxes, you would have to figure it out for both plans

to figure it out. >> h & r block would be happy about that. >> sure. >> i'm wait to go hear from mitt romney. if he comes down on his plan and comes down on lower tax rates all across the poured, then you know we've arrived at a point where that is the issue going forward. >> i think it is for lower rates across the board. >> it is. i don't know what the rate is. >> you think it will simplify the message a little bit? >> yes. >> i have the book, i've read newt's contract, i've read the 9-9-9 plan, i've read the criticisms of all of them. and all of them are in -- are better than what obama is giving you. >> and if the conservatives win, it will be active. >> and the white house is worried, they came out this morning before 10:00 and had somebody from the obama campaign dismissing and dissing both the romney plan and perry plan and put it together in a memo.

>> and romney said if we don't pass the president's plan, rape and murder will go up and republicans -- and democrats saying republicans want dirty air and water. no one can look you straight in the eye and say we didn't improve everything. >> the first thing reagan did when he got into office, lower tax rates for everybody. and up goes the economy. a direct parallel. >> good to see you. and she called you establishment. i want you to know that, before we went on air. >> did i? i don't think i did. >> and coming up, congresswoman michele bachman will be here, but first patrick j buchanan shows us what it could look like if sharia law becomes the law of the land in libya. and don't forget, it's text vote tuesday. tonight we are asking would you support the i amply mentation

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we learned they intend to make sharia law the main source of legislation. meanwhile in america the second district court of appeals in florida has issued a stung ruling that says islamic law can be use today decide a civil case involving a local mosque. as a result, the controversial case will once appear before judge richard neilson, who made headlines a few months ago for promoting the use of sharia in his courtroom. joining me, judge -- patrick j buchanan is back on the so, author of "suicide of a superpower." ." look, i wanted gaddafi dead, but the problem is the rebels that are helping all along, they weren't hiding the fact that they would support sharia, did the president not know that this was a likely outcome? are we worse off in the end? >> we could be worse off.

we could be worse enough egypt. but no doubt, take a look at egypt, libya, and hamas, and iraq, islam is rising in the middle east. you take a look at turkey, i think islam is awakening. if you will, it's a great awakening of islam and i think they see the west as dying out, the west has retreated, the west's populations are dying and we are moving in and our time has come again as it came in the seventh and eighth century. >> is it a great awakening of radical islamic views? turkey started out a lot more moderate than it is today. and a lot of these other countries, the influence of ivan greater, they are funding approximatey wars. >> and they are cancelling out what he did. he made it a secular society and he said we are a muslim country and that's going to be reflected in our laws. in other words our religion is going to govern how we govern

and rule ourselves. it's quite natural. a lot of our laws in the 19th century used to reflect the christian attitudes of the great awakening. this will present a problem because in a sense not all the muslims -- many want to live a good life according to the religion, but some of them are saying this is our time now. the west con -- conquered and ruled us and now it's our turn. >> you talk with the assault on christian city and the catholic faith, et cetera. but if this is the rise of radical islam we compare it to the cold war. the cold war we had something called mutual destruction and the soviets respected that. i'm not sure a jihaddist islamist, if that's the overriding philosophy of they are waiting for them in heaven, if that fear exists.

>> the threat from islam is different. the soviet union had thousands of nuclear weapons. if something happened in that crisis, we would all be dead. but these country together have a gdp of about the size of spain. their exports are about the size of finland so they can't beat the rest that way. what they can do, it was said in algeria in 1974, we are going to move into europe and our contradictory over europe is going to come from the wombs of our women. look at rush huh is going to lose 25 million people, sean, between now and 2050. they already lost 10 million since the cold war. that's going to be a half islamic country by 2050, russia. >> lock at the problems great britain has been dealing with and belgium and france and banning burkahs in public.

they have separate cultures, and the radicalized elements, they didn't have the ability to stand up to them. true or false? >> exactly. they said this summer it has failed to germany. after september 11th they are firing bottle rockets off in celebration. you saw in london this summer folks from the middle east and other places from the caribbean rioting in the streets of london. in paris they were burning cars by the thousands in 2005. what has happened is europe has never no one large immigration. folks are coming in from countries and cultures who have never been assimilated and they don't have a melting pot. >> last question. you said in a recent column or commentary you made that you think the tea party may bolt if mitt romney is the nominee. i don't believe that. >> no, here's the thing. i was asked a number of questions about who would be a good third party can indicate, and i said, you know, and i listed a number of them and i said, no, no.

>> are you running again? >> no. and ron paul has not asked me to be vice president. >> who am i and why am i here, pat? >> i think there are folks who put together a third party, and i do think there are some tea party folks and some folks bitter at romney, and if the democrats manage to get one of those individuals on the third party i think the election will be 49-51. >> but you support romney if he's the nominee? >> if he is nominated i think everybody has to support him, including the baptist. >> and a shocking education program in new york city. it is exposed. we have copies of the suggested work book. you won't believe what your students or kids may soon be taught. but first michele bachman has heights set on iowa while some of her satisfiers in new hampshire has abruptly quit. she will be here live with her campaign. be sure to tune in tomorrow

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>> not all the gop campaigns have encounters bumped on the

road with 2012 and the latest to be hit with bad news is minnesota congresswoman michele bachman. yesterday members of her new hampshire team offered a memo explaining staffers in that state has resigned. although they hit back calling it an unauthorized news release sent by a person who doesn't work for the campaign and hasn't had authority to speak on behalf of the campaign. her campaign tense to press forward in iowa, hoping to regain the momentum that help her win the ames straw poll. and joining me is minnesota congresswoman, republican presidential can indicate, michele bachman. welcome back. how are you? >> great to be with you. >> it appears you have national staffsers lashing out at the national campaign, and the national campaign saying eye the not true. is this a bump in the road? what's going on here. >> we are in the process of hiring new people in new hampshire. we are hiring new people in south carolina and iowa, but

quite honestly, nobody asked me about the staffing and what is going on. what they talked to me about is my real jobs right now plan. that's my plan to turn the economy around. people can find that at michellebachman.com. i'm more than a tax plan, i'm a job creation plan. people are excited about it going around the country. >> just stay on it for one second. you are saying that nothing happened, there there are no conflict with the national and new hampshire staff at all? >> no. what i'm saying we are replacing people in new hampshire, new hires, and we are excited about where the campaign is at right now. we are adding people in all the states and we are growing. we are very excited. just this last week i gave a major economic address at the commonwealth club in san francisco and i laid out my economic plan for turning the country around. i'm a former tax lawyer. i started to run a successful,

profitable company. i understand what needs to be done and people can find that on my website. >> the issue of abortion now has come up with the campaign. i know you did an interview on cbn, and it was obviously you were talking about candidate herman cain and saying there are a lot of issues that are very concerning. and you are talking about comments that he made about abortion, correct? >> that came up last week, yes. >> okay. what are the issues that you find concerning? >> well, in the course of that interview with david brody, i believe that we were talking about the interview that herman cain had done with piers morgan, and the fact herman cain came out and made the comment that he believed that he was personally against abortion, but he didn't believe that the government should intervene to save a life. and the point was is that is the exact same position that barack obama has, john kerry has, and that's something that is a basic

issue for our candidate. we have to make sure our candidate is lock solid pro life. but not only that, not only out of political convenience, it has to be something they will fight for. generally speaking, what i found in congress and in washington d.c., there are very few people, sean, who fight on issues. they may vote right burks we need a president who is going to lead and the president has to be able to lead on all of these issues, whether it's leading on pro-life, which i have, or leading on the definition of marriage as one woman, as i have. or on tax reform, which i have, or as i have led on the repeal of dodd frank, the jobs and housing act. that's what we need in the recollection candidate, a lead who are has led on these issues. that's what sets me apart in the race. i'm a proven leader who has been fighting on all of these issues in washington d.c. that's what we need to the white house. >> what do you think, perry came

out today with his flat tax plan, we mentioned at the top of the show newt's plan, and obviously herman cain, there's been a lot of talk about his #*d #*d -- 9-9-9 plan, and what do you think about those in particular? do you think scrapping the tax code is a good idea? >> i would like to come out and talk about my plan. it's been out there for several weeks. i like what president perry is coming up with because it's, in essence, my plan. >> a flat tax? >> they say imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, and i've been talking for months about a simpler, flatter system that you can do on -- do on a postcard and send in. and so i'm grateful that governor perry has endorsed my plan and adopted it. >> is your 20% like governor perry? >> my plan has everyone paying something. that's -- i disagree with governor perry and with herman

cain and various other plans where they -- where they don't require every american to pay something. i'm a federal tax lawyer. i firmly believe that every american should pay something, even if it's just a dollar. everybody needs to pay something because this year we have 51% of the american people who aren't paying anything. we have to have everyone pay something. and even if it's a nominal amount, they need to pay. i don't believe that anyone should have their tax liability completely wiped out. >> we have half the country who pays no federal income tax. >> that's wrong. everybody has to pay something, sean. that's my plan. >> good to see you. we always appreciate your time. thanks for being with us. >> thank you. >> coming up, details of the shocking news sex education program set to hit new york city schools this spring and why parents are up in arms over the curriculum. thatthat and the great great american panel next.

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>> parents are about to get an earful in new york city schools get their way. they have a new sex ed curriculum. children as young as 11 will be required to participate. and the schools are playing defense saying abstainens is still being stressed as the best way to avoid pregnancy and stds and parents can opt to exclude their children from certain lessons if they choose. and joining me, author of particular don't let your kids drink the kool-aid." mary beth hicks is with us. ten and eleverren years old,

they talk about oil base lubricant, master bags, french kissing, oral sex, anal sex. the kids can opt out only of the part that talks about sexual, permitting sexual pregnancy. >> i think it's ridiculous that the schools can actually man date that children must be in these classes. i think that's the main flaw with this. >> do you think it's age appropriate for 11-year-old? >> it is not age appropriate. i don't think that children should be ignorant. i think they need to be education but the education should come from their families. >> mary beth, looking at the same new york post has a story that only 25% of kids that are supposed to graduate are ready for college or even make it to that point in new york city. so they are kind are falling down on reading, writing and math but in the older grades they get into oral sex with braces, and vibrators, and others because they ask them to go to a website at columbia

university. >> it's almost too embarrassing you you of to talk to you about sean honestly. several years ago the american board of pediatrics talked about the fact that the united states is the most sexualized culture for children in the western hemisphere and warning parents against letting kids be engaged with two much hypersexual media, and credit we send them off to school. this will not be exclusive to new york. >> what bothers me, mary beth, more than anything else, there are lot of parents that disagree with this. a lot of parents have different values. the school is literally circumventing the parents' values and unless it comes to birth control the kids can't opt out. why don't we just take our kids, hand them over to the state and turn them into good little '60s liberals and get them back when they are 30 and off the acid trip. >> it undermines parental

authority. parents really have strong feelings about when their children are mature enough or ready or whether it's necessary to give them this and i would argue it's not necessary to give them all this graphic information. but parents should be the ones choosing that. i think if the new york city schools want to arm parents with information they can send home and parents can make that decision about educating their kids in these areas, that's up to them. but to make that decision unilaterally on behalf of parents is completely wrong. >> we agree with that. but you say the danger of ignorance. and i remember when holly north and brendan his lawyer, he said i'm not a potted plant. that's why i'm here. why are the parents there in and if there are guardians for kids and they aren't getting this information, how about they opt in after school, after they finish reading math, science and learning, you know, the basics? >> i think the thing; unfortunately there are many kids out there whose parents have really usurped their

responsibility to teach these values at home. >> but every kid shouldn't suffer because because some of . >> but even if their parents at home appreciate abstain earnings which i support, there are gets getting information from reality shows and the internet. >> should they have the right to go in without parental position of consent and grab a handful of condoms? >> no. but children may find themselves in situation they may decide to have sex. and we don't want them to but if they do they should be able to protect themselves. >> sometimes the kids don't know because their parents are choosing not to exploit their innocence and i think we need to respect the role of parents in the lives of their children and we need to question why is it so important to some people to exploit the innocence of children and to make them part of the hypersexual culture at such a young age.

i question the reasoning. >> robbing the kids. their innocence at earlier and earlier ages. good to see you both. time to check in with greta. where was this taking off on monday night thing? >> yeah, you know, actually a family thing i did. >> a family thing? >> i took the night off. >> a family thing. and that's a good excuse. a great show tonight. we have donald trump who has once again resurrected the birther irish you with governor perry. and there's a book out, a wonderful new book, and brit hume is more and we will find out if donald trump wants to be vice president. how about that one? >> that's a good question. i gave an interview with gq and they asked me who ties do you wear? i said i wear trump dice. i have a whole collection. i have the whole thing. >> he gave me a ferrari. did he give you a ferrari? >> did he give you a ferrari? >> yeah, just like roger ales

gave me one for the 15th anniversary. i have two now. >> i got a jet. no, i'm only kidding. >> they gave me that but told me not to tell you. >> let not your heart be troubled. some people's heads will explode. not mine. i'm not jealous. our great, great american panel is next.

>> tonight on the great, great american panel, he's wearing a trump tie. former pollster -- i was just interviewed by gq for president jimmy carter. it was a slow month. and pat caddel is here. he's from fox news. what was up with the cancellation this week? >> i was on vacation, i just got back, i know nothing. this is my first day back. >> it is his first day back. >> so glad to have her, model, tv personality, a host, look at

the diamonds and the bling. >> i'm a girly girl. i like the bing. >> and i like the bangs. looks good. >> thanks. >> do you disagree with me about the new york city sex ed thing? >> what i meant by that, always when i'm on the show i think it's the parents response to believe teach their kids a lot of thing, but with that said -- >> i don't like that weeks but." >> but some kids are in efile. even my friends are in denial saying my kids aren't having sex, my kids aren't doing that. but kids are doing things and if they aren't educated at home, the kids know nothing and then it's, wow, how did my kid get crabs or clamidia? >> an 11-year-old kid, we have to teach them about anal, oral sex and mutual masterbation?

by some teacher who will say, you are going to have those feelings, it's okay, it drives me nuts. >> kids are having babies at ten and eleven years old. the parents aren't teaching them anything. >> do your job, important your kid. >> i agree. but if the parents aren't doing it, who is? the other friends? >> but indoctrinate them and. >> but to her point, i think a lot of these kids exist because their parents didn't know what they were doing. they had kids when they were very young. i don't think that's such a terrible thing say. off lot of babies that were born because their parents new nothing about sex education, they went ahead and had sex and what do you know? >> well, it's not like we aren't going to talk about these things like they don't have. >> but i don't want someone who doesn't share my values talking to my kids. >> but there are parents out there in denial their kids are actually having sex. >> but they are forcing kids

into the class. you can't opt out unless you opt out for the birth control part. that's bologna. >> pat, what do you got to say about that? >> i'm ready to go to politics. >> there's always private school. >> that's right. >> my tax dollars go to pay for public schools i never use and then i pay double. >> that's why you should get voucher. >> we have no happy medium. >> give me your comments. >> we shouldn't have sex education but the idea i don't need my grandchildren being taught beastality. >> i agree. >> that's a high bar you just kossed. >> all the other things are fine. >> let's go to politics, folks. okay. let's look at the cbs policy. herman cain sustaining. look at this, new york times ,cs bowl, all right, caddel, considering your face is still red from the last segment. >> i'm not embarrassed. anyway, go ahead.

>> you know, we just had congresswoman bachman on. she was hot, she cooled off. can she come back? can perry come back with his new proposal. >> all this is up in the air. we've had a phenomena in this race from the beginning. lack, when you have 69% of the people, as we found this week, who say america is in decline and -- >> 70%. >> i've never seen anything like these numbers. let me tell you what happened. it's changing all the politics. we've had this outside alienation, a sense of despair, and it's been floating around. first with donald trump when he was in the race, and then bachman for a while, then perry. and then it's landed on herman cain, who was not even for a while running a campaign, he was doing a book tour. yet his polls are holding up. the more the establishment attacks him, both democrat and republican establishment, just as it is with trump or any of

the people on the outside, you know what happens? they do well them hold up. >> i think it's sil a long way out. we are still sifting through, figuring out who is running. >> who do you like? is that a hard question? >> i met perry last month in san antonio, and personally i liked him a lot. he was charismatic, he was very personable. >> but who do you like for president? that's a different question. >> you are right. i want my fiscal house in order and i think mitt romney has a lot of those things. he's businessman, and he think america needs to be run like a business. spending is out of control and nobody wants to reign it in. and i think we need term limits on congressman. you can't be a lifer. >> are you going to run for politics? you like politics. >> no, i don't think i am. no way. >> just checking. >> no. >> first of all, if you any what i know about her, i know she's not running for office. >> two months ago rick perry led and now he's trying.

now he's not even leading among republican voters. >> and bachman was on fire and now cain is and romney stays steady >> he's not leading among people who want initials with rp to be president. he's trailing ron paul. the only good news for perry is there are no debates for the next three weeks. if he can stop giving interviews, he might be okay. >> that's cold. >> it's true. cain is a likable guy. a wonderful guy. there was another poll that came out -- -- >> do you think newt gingrich could have his moment? >> i don't think so. >> but the volatility is out of control here. >> who does obama fear the most? you are a liberal. who does he fear the most? >> it's a good question. well, they are attacking romney so obviously they fear romney.

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>> before we continue, the results of our poll, we asked

would you support the implementation of a plat tax? look at this. 92% said yes, 5% said no, 3% said maybe. amazing. thanks for voting. i'm going to tell you, 9-9-9 has led its way for gingrich's plan, and rick perriry today, michele bachman. there are a lot of people. >> i think we need tax reform in this country for sure. no doubt. people, the i'm not sures, i'm not sure either. you will have to compare and see what works for you but i know i pay more than 20% in taxes so i would take a good hard look at that. >> anything but this system. this system 25 years ago when i was working for jimmy carter, who was then running, he described the tax system as a disgrace to the human race. it's still a disgrace, if not worse. it's row dick plus. nobody can deal with it. that's why people want big ideas. the country is falling apart.

they want big ideas. >> i agree they want big ideas but we need simple names for birth ideaing. the 9-9-9 thing, and perry, i don't know what he's calling his thing. >> the flat tax. >> but he has a name. what he needs to do is i'm having a 20% flat tax and going to balance the budget by 2020, call it the 20-20-20 plan. >> this is why more people watch you hate at night than prime time on other networks because you are smart. >> you got it. >> speaking of herman cain this, is the smoking man and an ad that's gotten a lot of buzz. let's roll this. >> i really believe that herman cain will put united back in the united states of america. if i didn't believe that, i wouldn't be here. we run a campaign like anybody has ever seen but then america has never seen a candidate like herman cain. we need you to get involved because together we can do this. we can take this country back.

♪ ♪ one voice united we stand >> i still don't get it. you missed the best part. the best part they cut off which is cain going from that look and then the big smile. >> kind of creepy. >> but do you get it? >> i think that the media is overblowing. i don't get it. it's way overblown. >> he's talking about the web ad. >> it doesn't make me judge herman cain any differently. i don't like him any less because his campaign manager smoked a cigarette in the ad. he has every right to do it. i just think you are not used to it. but obama smokes all the time. he tries to hide it. this guy is like, he reminds me of my dad. he has a cigarette and mustache and like every normal guy in

middle america being who he is. that doesn't bother me at all. >> it's freaky and reminds me of the x files. so freakky x files fan, if that's the demographic they are going for, i think they nailed it. >> you had me up to that point. >> better or worse? >> it's out of the box. whatever you want to say about it, everybody is talking about it. >> unconventional. >> it's not in the context it's conventional, pc politics, political attack ad. it makes you laugh. >> but it's real. it's normal. >> and the cain part, the smile. >> that's the creep west part. >> that's the thing. i did some research, that ad costs $4.20 to make. >> a pack of cigarettes. >> they didn't buy it in new york, it's about $14 an ad. and let me ask you all this question. as we move forward, and we see a

president now desperate, saying republicans want dirtier air and water and biden is saying rape and murder goes up. what are they thinking? pat? >> well, you know, i think what they are thinking is we are going to attack the other side, we are going to run a campaign. >> class warfare? will it work? >> no. i think the problem is the country is saying -- the country is falling apart and you are supposed to be leading it. >> he's too busy landing his plane in vegas and charging $38,000 a plate. >> $38.500. >> in l.a., and ruining our traffic once again. how many times does he have to come to l.a. this year? >> and magic johnson, will smith. >> they are still in love with him and still drinking the kool-aid. >> but they are the rich people >> i kind of miss new tone. there was like a good four and a half days where everyone was nice to each other. >> we lost it. >> but now that he's unleashed this, it's all hands on ck