♪ say it together ♪ naturally >> doesn't sound country. now, he's singing say y'all and say me. he's making the transition. might be on "the x factor." "fox & friends" starts right now. 6 >> it's raining in new york. >> that's why we're indoors. we were originally going to be outdoors right now in pitch-black. >> scotch guard the kids as they head off to school. don't, that's bad for them. >> fox news alert this morning, u.s. drone strike wipes out five terrorists in pakistan near the border with afghanistan. the drone fired six missiles at a truck carrying senior commanders of the anti-american group which has links to the hiqqani network. ceo of freddie mac calling it quits. charles halderman jr. joined the

mortgage giant in 2009 after the government bailed it out to the tune of $60 million. the company is nowhere near to pay the loans back. it will be up to washington to decide what happens next. he will step down at the end of the year. while you were sleeping, the occupy wall street folks here in new york city marched on city hall. police arrested about a dozen people as they made their way to city hall to show support for protesters in oakland and in oakland, california last night hundreds of protesters left the plaza outside of city hall to march down nearby streets. city officials announced a compromise to let them back into the plaza but they're not allowed to camp there overnight and now occupying wall street, acorn. the reincarnation of the defunct new york acorn chapter reportedly a big supporter of the protesters. sources tell fox news former staffers who now head up a group

called new york communities for change are paying dozens of homeless people $10 an hour to sit in the park down on wall street. the group denies the report. r&b superstar lionel richie going country. >> ♪ when you're dancing on the ceiling ♪ >> the 62-year-old star will perform a country version of "dancing on the ceiling" with rascal flatts at the country music awards next month. his new album features duets with stars like kenny chesney and willie nelson doing new versions of his songs. richie was born and raised in alabama. >> not actually on the ceiling. >> that's not the first person that's gone country, too. we had natasha beddingfield on the show recently and she's performing at the cma awards with rascal flatts as well. >> they built a set and they turned it as he danced inside. >> really? >> he did not defy gravity.

>> oh! >> i'll leave it when i talk to lionel richie. let's talk about what the president has to do. by a 2-1 margin in the last election in 2008, he outdistanced john mccain in terms of the youth group. this time, he finds himself with 40% approval. 54% disapproval and hence, he's got a game plan to win the youth vote back. >> yeah. >> is he buying their vote? to some, it sure looks like it because yesterday, he announced in colorado his plan so that students could refinance, essentially, their student debt. here he is a little bit -- the president of the united states talking about how gigantic this $1 trillion bill is hanging over people who owe student loans. >> now, living with that kind of debt means making some pretty tough choices when you're first starting out. it might mean putting off buying a house. it might mean you can't start a business idea that you've got. it may mean that you've got to

wait longer to start a family or certainly it means you're putting off saving for retirement because you're still paying off your student loans. >> by paying less, then, the president rationalizes, then that would effectively be a student stimulus. be able to inject more of their money into the economy. >> let's take a look at an analogy, an example of how this would work for a fictitious person. let's say you borrow $212,000 for a four year college education. then you would repay $28,220 on that. this is based on the fact, you have to keep in mind what this person actually will earn when they go to the real world. that has something to do with it. if you only have to repay $28,220 of those loans. who makes up the difference? bottom line is the taxpayer does and you can do the math there, the difference between $212,000 and $28,000 is a lot of money for the taxpayers to make up. i actually think this plan is not only trying to court the

young people but trying to court the parents of the young people who may in fact be helping out these young people with their student loans down the road as well. >> it could and the interest rate is not low for the student loans. maybe you could work on that. i think that would be a little bit more practical and the other thing to keep in mind, too, there's the things called banks that lent them that. they are based on getting paid back so who is going to say to the banks, this is how we're going to make it up to you. i guess we are to a certain degree. the president brought up yesterday, too, you haven't paid that loan back in 25 years. now it's down to 20 years. could be just big waiting game. >> we're just on the hook for even more. here's what the president did mention is this only will work for direct student loans. these are loans that students got directly from the federal government. if you got them from a bank or a third party, this does nothing for you. brian, you mentioned that the student loan interest rate is high. you're absolutely right.

according to one news source this morning it's 6.8% for students. here's the thing, there's a congressman from gretchen's home state of minnesota, john klein, a republican, he says that while students pay back 6.8%, it only costs the federal government about -- less than 1% so he calls this a gigantic slush fund that the federal government can then spend any way they want. >> very interesting. so is that student loan stimulus just more of the class warfare argument that some say that the president is doing? congressman paul ryan says he's disappointed in the president that he had hoped for. >> i don't enjoy doing this because he gave us a message of hope three years ago of uniting and not dividing and what we're getting are class warfare. we're getting very polarizing rhetoric that puts class against class, pits people against one another and i would simply say sowing social unrest does not make america stronger but makes

america weaker. >> he had a big speech at the heritage foundation that he blistered president obama's approach of circumventing congress with the jobs bill and now using these executive orders on the west coast. >> the president is saying i'm going to take my authority and do what i can, i'm going to end run congress. this whole student loan thing is based on action taken by the 1 111th congress, if he's blaming congress, he needs to blame that congress that was headed up by nancy pelosi. don't blame this congress, blame the pelosi congress. >> take a look at the latest fox news poll and look at how you feel about the republicans who want to be the nominee for presidential candidate. >> look at that. fox news -- yeah, herman cain out on top. mitt romney is about the same. the biggest story is the quadrupling of the numbers from

newt gingrich. >> we were talking about that on the show. the more debates that newt gingrich does, my assessment is the better he'll continue to do in the polls because he's a smart guy. now, whether or not he can make up the difference for other reasons why people have not put him at the top of the polls up until this point, i think we'll continue to see him rise. the interesting thing about that was rick perry was still in fourth place. now, was this taken before or after he announced his plan? this week so people knew about his flat tax plan when they put in their votes on this poll. >> this quote from newt, i said the odds are pretty good i'll be the nominee. so he quadrupled and got his 12%. >> he's hiring more people, you know, as opposed to some campaigns that are skimming people away, he's hiring more people in new hampshire, south carolina, i believe, and iowa. so somebody sees something going on with the newt gingrich campaign. >> meanwhile, mitt romney is apparently leading in the first four states that have caucuses and also primaries as well. gretch, you said that the more

that newt gingrich shows up at the debates, the better he does. absolutely, meanwhile, somebody who is going to take a contrary view to that is governor rick perry. apparently, according to his communications director, you know he hasn't done so well at some of the debates and so while he will do the next one in michigan, he is probably going to skip a number of the next -- what are there about 300 left? he's going to skip a bunch of them probably to prepare for the early state. >> i think it's pretty bold. remember, you had a situation where governor huntsman missed the last debate. nobody is making a big deal about that. >> he wasn't in the top 10. >> governor perry knows he struggles in these debates and knows he had a 15 point lead before the debate started. >> that is a big risk. because some people are going to ask this question -- if you can't debate the other republican candidates, how are you going to go up against president obama? that's going to be the big question that i think a lot of people are going to ask in their

mind. second question is should we have all these debates? should these candidates be flying all over the country and doing all these debates instead of canvassing the areas in which these votes first opened like iowa, new hampshire, south carolina, etc. >> i love all the debates because they really made a big difference. people have a great idea about what jon huntsman stands for and what all of them as well. what's interesting about rick perry is and maybe one of the reasons he thinks he can do this is historically down in texas, he has ducked the debates and yet, he has been elected governor in the state of texas so for him, it's worked. >> i think for americans, we like the debates. six million watched. >> what are you talking about? >> for candidates, i think they'd prefer not to debate because there's a lot to risk. i was astounded to see not only is mitt romney winning in the first four states, even in iowa where he barely goes, he's on top. >> straight ahead on our show, a stunning confession from ruth madoff, bernie madoff's wife. >> i don't know whose idea it was. but we decided to kill ourselves.

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deal, the defense department and u.s. military will then see major automatic cuts. the thought was even that the secretary of defense -- that thought even as the secretary of defense worried. >> it's going to take us to the edge and if suddenly on top of that we face additional cuts or if this sequester goes into effect and it doubles the number of cuts, then it will truly devastate our national defense. >> joining us right now, fox news military analyst and retired four star general, general jack keene. what will this mean if, in fact, they don't come up with the deal in their automatic cuts of the defense department? >> listen, what has already taken place is secretary gates took $200 billion out for efficiency. when he left and secretary panetta came in, the obama administration gave secretary panetta a $489 billion bill over 10 years that he's trying to put together. the sequestration or the super committee is another $600

billion on top of that. that would absolutely gut the department of defense and we would be a mere shadow of our former self. >> i think puerto rico would have better defense. take a look at what this would look like. the marine corps would shrink to its smallest in 50 years and the army would go back to pre-9/11 numbers. air force, 2/3 fewer fighters and bombers than 1990 and the navy will lose one to two aircraft carriers and a fleet of ballistic missile subs will be flat out lost. that's if they don't come out with a deal and general, there's something else in this. for 10 years, we have been fighting two wars and during that time, we've been doing -- putting a lot of money into defense. but what haven't we been doing? >> well, that's the dirty little secret here and nobody wants to hear this story but the fact of the matter is we did increase the defense department budget rather dramatically over the last 10 years but it was to pay for two wars and the special equipment we needed to fight those kinds of wars.

we did that, brian, at the expense of modernizing the air force, modernizing the navy and the army and the marine corps have not had major -- major new equipment in years and the equipment that they have which they've used in these wars for 10 years has got to be reset and rehabilitated. all of that costs money. and the department actually needs more money, not less money and that's the secret in the story that nobody wants to hear. >> well, listen to barney frank. he doesn't exactly have a sympathetic ear to the department of defense. let's listen. >> we're the enforcers of stability in the world. no, we shouldn't be. we can't be. it doesn't do any good. if you don't cut the military, then you cut medicare or you cut social security. remember, we're in a zero sum situation. >> but in times of war, everyone is going to expect the defense to do the -- the department of defense to do absolutely everything and our war machine to come out victorious.

it's a no win situation for you guys. >> well, we've been here before and it's tragic. you know, post world war ii, post korea, post vietnam, we stripped the department of defense's budgets and we just paid a huge price for it to get it back where it should be. given the global responsibilities we have and what the department of defense does most of the time is deter war. not fight em. keep the thugs and killers off the backs of other people because they know the united states can respond and they know it's strong. people perceive we're weak, they'll take advantage of us. >> but the more you come out and explain to the american people what's at stake, i think the stronger your case is. general jack keane, thank so much for getting up with us this morning. >> glad to be here, brian, as usual. >> ok. coming up straight ahead, mitt romney was looking over his shoulder at herman cain and now he's watching cain run right past him. what's the romney campaign going to do about all that? a member of his staff here next. then we're taking you on a tour

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>> quick headlines now. two years after being bailed out by us, unionized chrysler workers have a new four year contract. it's not as good as the deal ford and g.m. workers got but it does include a pay raise for entry level workers. a $1700 signing bonus and up to $2,000 a year in performance bonuses. almost like c.c. sabathia's deal. police getting ready to re-interview the second half brothers of missing missouri baby lisa irwin tomorrow. the boys are 5 and an 8-year-old will also reportedly give d.n.a. samples to be compared to some

unidentified strands found in the irwin home. gretchen? >> mitt romney came under fire for saying that he had no position on ohio's collective bargaining law. one day later, he changed his tune. >> i'm sorry if i created confusion in that regard. i fully support governor kasich's i think it's called question two in ohio. i fully support that. on my web site back as early as april, i laid out that i support question 2 and the governor's effort to restrict collective bargaining in ohio. >> that was in virginia. you can see the governor of virginia behind him there, even though he hasn't officially endorsed him yet, mitt romney's critics calling this another flip-flop. joining is the former co-chairman in maryland, is there another flip-flop? >> sometimes you have to buy time and look at this stuff. issues come and go. polls come and go. you never know on a day-to-day

basis. >> let's look at the poll. latest fox news poll has herman cain on top now. the surprise there newt gingrich 12% over rick perry at 10%. what does rick perry need to do get ahead of herman cain now? >> you can't -- there will be another poll in a week, two weeks. you have to look at the long view and not get caught up in the short term polls. >> if you were advising mitt romney -- >> do what we're doing. be consistent, be strong. he's first or second in every poll. this is about beating president obama. it's not about tomorrow's poll. it's not about the ohio story today. it's not about this particular side issue. don't get sidetracked. be disciplined. you know, be the presidential candidate. be strong. be the ceo. not necessarily the ceo. be the manager the country is looking for. >> would you advise mitt romney to stay in all the debates? this morning, we're reporting that rick perry is going to step out of some of them. >> i like rick. he's been a friend, obviously.

mitt has been strong, obviously. one of the reasons that a lot of people see him as the strongest nominee is the direct result of performances in debates. we all have different strengths and weaknesses, you know that. i think it's a bad news for rick to get out of these debates. you know why? we're talking about it. his opponents will be talking about it and it will be the empty chair. it will be what do you think governor perry? he's not going to be there. i think it's a bad move. >> the occupy wall street protests have been going on, i think it's five weeks now. you've written an op ed about this. i like your analogy. i want to read one of your comparisons. you say one group demands another larger stimulus and a hands-off approach to entitlements while the other sees obama era spending and regulatory excess as a major factor in the economic malaise. how do you see this thing moving forward? are we going to see them continue playing bongo drums for weeks to come? >> i'm not trying to be funny about it. i'm looking at the video. >> it's a collection of left wing groups with all the different agendas. there's no central message here. the cbs poll that's come out do

agree, 43% agree with what? do you agree with the underlying angst the middle class, working class angst that my kid may not get a job, my 401k has been diminished? sure, everybody is concerned about it. number one issue in the campaign. to make the parallel observation that these far left fringe groups who reject markets, reject capitalism and reject your ability to do better than the previous generation which is the american dream, the definition of it, i don't think they're going to catch on particularly because they have no central message and today, you're reporting that acorn is back. where have they been? >> we're going to get to that coming up. that's going to amaze some of our viewers. the road map to restoring america, new book coming out. >> timely, absolutely. >> not on the bookshelves yet. give us a preview. >> couple of weeks. it's about in very large part how to take on these far left groups, quite frankly. you say what you believe, you hold on even when they call you all the isms and all that stuff,

i make my point in the course of the book. by the way, public sector unions is its own chapter in the book. so i do believe that it's a timely book for this presidential campaign. i wrote it to be consumed in the course of this presidential campaign. it's a road map to the future. >> all right. governor bob erlich, great to see you. >> you are making me earlier and earlier every time. >> grab some coffee. stunning confession from bernie madoff's wife, ruth madoff. >> i don't know whose idea it was but we decided to kill ourselves. >> next, what they did and why it didn't work. and europe finally cutting a deal to curb its debt crisis and believe it or not, stuart varney says you're actually going to make money out of all this. get on in here, stu. shake em! shake em! lee greenwood, singer turns 69 today.

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voted off "dancing with the stars" and afterwards, chaz said he appeared on the program to show america a different kind of man. yeah, because if there's one thing america has never seen before it's a white guy who can't dance. >> touche, conan. >> by the way, meltdown that chaz had ever, he said he was being described as an animal and that women are usually given such, you know, if women go on and they're a little bit heavy, they're given a lot of leeway. but then chaz bono said well, you know what? i was called an animal and compared to other things and penguin. >> women are given leeway on their shape, please. >> for example, kirstie alley, she lost a lot of weight. >> in general, women are not given a pass on their weight. >> in dancing, that's a whole another universe. >> let's talk about another woman who is ruth madoff. she's given her first interview since her husband was arrested in 2008 and one of the stunning revelations in this interview is that she says that the two of

them tried to commit suicide together. >> i don't know whose idea it was. but we decided to kill ourselves because it was so horrendous what was happening. we had terrible phone calls, hate mail, we took pills and woke up the next day. >> and he said what kind of pills? she said i don't know, i think it was ambiem. how many did you take? as many as we had but we woke up the next day. under house arrest, by the way. >> you know my first reaction was that when i heard that on the radio this morning, i don't believe that. that's just my gut reaction. i don't believe that. and the reaction -- and, you know, if you could read body language and how she's doing that interview, she laughs about that she was glad they woke up. i don't know. something about it seems suspicious. >> i saw the entire interview, the snippet they played last night on the cbs evening news with scott pelly in advance of

the "60 minutes" piece this weekend and it started with andrew madoff, he said, you know, in 2008, at christmastime, i got this package from my mom and it was filled with jewelry, antique jewelry and i didn't know what it was. and three years later, i asked her what it was and she said, well, we sent those things to our grandkids and our children because we were going to kill ourselves. and he seemed very earnest. >> some people thought they sent that stuff because they wanted to get the loot out before it was taken in by federal authorities. i don't know. you be the judge on that. that interview is coming up on sunday night. in the meantime, european leaders reaching a deal to stem their going debt crisis. good news for europe. good news for wall street, and good news for our wallet? stu varney is here with more. how could that be? >> look, i bring you good news on the economy in america and very good news from what's happening in europe this thursday morning. and that's a little unusual for me, now, isn't it? they appear to have reached a deal in principle. greek debt not exactly settled

but everybody knows how much they're going to pay off on their debt. the bailout fund is well over a trillion euros and they've got an agreement that the banks are going to get a lot more money going into them. so that is a deal. it's there. it's in principle. of course, there's a lot to say when the details are established. but essentially, that is a deal. the crisis has been put on to the back burner for now. that's good news for us. >> right. >> the crisis is still there. >> yes. >> the crisis is still there. it's going to be a long running thing. you're not going to hear the last of this but that means our banks here in america are no longer so exposed to a crash that's not likely to occur now in europe and up goes the stock market. >> that's going to be great for our 401k, too and we're going to feel it. i understand, too, this is like d-day and they were saying to banks you have to come up with the deal and they're working through the night and now they've agreed to take $0.50 on the dollar? >> yes, for every dollar that was lent to greece and supposed to come back to the lender, only

$0.50 will come back. now, that loss is going to be taken by private investors but also by the big banks. so the big banks in europe have to get a whole lot more money together so they're in a better financial position. >> why would they go for that? >> well, they've been forced into it, haven't they? either you take this or you sink. and that's a difficult choice. >> half of nothing. >> i've asked this question before. so now that they have this deal, in the fine print, will it say that greece has to alter the way in which they do business? >> yes, austerity has been forced upon them. >> they're taking it well, too, i don't think there's any glass unbroken in the country. >> but in italy, they, too, have been forced into a corner. >> there was a fist fight in the legislature yesterday. >> they had to raise their retirement age, the horror of horrors, 67. and it looks like bellasconni is out. he's been made a laughingstock of europe. italy is not looking good in all of this. it looks like bellasconni, the

guy who paid to have sex with a minor while in office, it looks like he's going to be on his way out. >> what with at 9:20? you're going to be focusno, no . 9:20 this morning, we'll have new numbers on america's economy. they are likely to be good. they're likely to show no recession. that's a big deal. that's why wall street is going to go up today. >> that's good. >> all right. see you then. >> how about that? good news for a change. can i get a smile here? >> you've got it. you've got it from me. congratulations on the good news. >> what do you mean? you have never proven that. now to your headlines, a woman abducted in northern somalia. the 32-year-old aid worker was traveling with two others when they were taken. the self-proclaimed somali pirate claimed responsibility. u.s. state department was told the three people would not be armed but a ransom was wanted. no demands are being made yet. the state department is working with contacts in kenya and somalia to get more information.

>> brand new bombshell allegations in the case of robin gardner, the maryland woman who disappeared in aruba more than two months ago. "the national enquirer" is reporting that robin's travel companion buried her alive. anonymous source telling "the enquirer" he put a plastic bag over her head and forced her into a shallow grave. police are not commenting on that horrible report. he is being held in an aruban jail and is yet to be charged in the disappearance. >> one of the world's richest men, russian steel mogul worth $18 1/2 billion asked you for a loan, would you give it to him? the u.s. department of energy just did. $730 million in taxpayer money could go to a russian company that's run by a man who is known as russia's man of steel. and he has close ties to the kremlin. the money would be used to improve his very high strength

steel plant in dearborn, michigan, but republican congressman darrell issa of california is raising questions about that loan. he says the foreign company was already moving forward with plans to improve the plant before the u.s. government loan was approved. >> taking the internet by storm with the halloween display. first it was a light show to the hit "party rock anthem" and the owner did it again with the song of "nightmare before christmas" and finally, the owner is coming forward showing us how he's making it happen. >> everything is controlled by the computer here. and these are all the controllers and got quite a bit, extension cords and they just all go out to the lights. >> amazing. each night, people crowd outside the riverside, california, home, for the half-hour halloween show. he's been putting on performances for the past four years. >> brian, it doesn't go on all night. you thought you didn't want to live next door to him. you thought that performance would be going on all night. now, do you like it knowing it's only a half-hour. >> that's a good point. if you're on that block and

looking to sell, call me. i will move to riverside. because i want to be part of the madness. >> all right. >> hey, thanks so much. i have a whole new look. i don't know how he did it with just a lap top. you have to explain to me in a break. we start our sports with a look at the world series highlights. there aren't any. game six of the world series rained out last night in the afternoon. the game now scheduled for tonight in st. louis. of course, it could be the last matchup of the series. texas rangers go into st. louis for the final two games leading the best of seven games 3-2. watch tonight, if you like baseball, you'll love this. nba owners and players expected to resume lockout negotiations today and they might be a little tired. word is they're making some progress, they did not wrap up yesterday's talks until after midnight. union executive director billy hunter says some progress was made but that the two sides did not discuss the biggest sticking point and that is how to divide up $4.6 billion worth of revenue. officials say they have a shot at an 82 game season if a deal

can be worked out by monday. forget about rain and lockout negotiations. it was a four legged fiend that delayed the soccer game in colombia. you're looking at a dog, yes, a dog that ran on to the field during the 67th minute. not of injury time. players spent about three minutes trying to catch the stray dog to no avail and finally, somebody got clever. he used a red flag to get the dog's attention and then he would coax the dog off the field, the crowd roared and the game went on and the dog is ok. unfortunately, there's a man without a red shirt in the stands. >> wonder if that's the same theory as matadors with the red cape. >> it is. >> so balls and dogs similar. >> mutts. that looks like a mix. >> gotcha. >> maybe one like the ones we're going to be adopteding today. stay tuned for that. coming up on the show right away, the hpv vaccine being recommended for boys. should parents buy into this? this is such an important topic and dr. siegel has his advice coming up. >> and he called out the vice

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clinton are saying about rumors she'll run for congress. they are responding after democratic insiders said chelsea was eyeing the new york congresswoman's seat. we'll find out about that. ok. >> thank you very much. recently, joe biden, the vice president of the united states hit the road promoting the president's jobs bill and made some controversial comments without the bill, both rape and murder rates would go up. last week, those comments were confronted. >> do you regret using a rape reference to describe republican opposition? >> no, no, what i said, let us get it straight, guys. don't screw around with me. >> you didn't use a rape reference? >> listen, then. >> i'm listening. >> i said rape was up. three times. there are the numbers. go look at the numbers. murder is up. rape is up and burglary is up. that's exactly what i said. >> that feisty exchange was met with backlash. now the reporter is under

investigation by, perhaps, the senate gallery and the vice president's office as well. he's joining us live this morning, an editor at human events. good morning. >> good morning. thank you for having me on. >> i thought that was a great question that you would ask the vice president although i know there are some in the mainstream media who says look, he was very cagey. he asked the vice president, can i pose for a picture? then you asked him a question. how dare you! >> i know, it's a petty objection. we're talking about the vice president of the united states here. it's the major leagues, not tee ball so those who would feign outrage over me asking for a picture first it's selective outrage because abc, cbs have been doing undercover sting operations for decades now. so there's nothing new here. but the vice president is looking to divert attention from what he said and to put the attention on me and my tactics. >> that's right. so everybody is attacking you for asking that question which was a fair question rather than what the vice president said and, in fact, "the washington post" looked into what the vice

president said and he was absolutely wrong. they gave him four pinocchios on claiming that rape and murder would go up. >> you're right. they also called his claims absurd and half baked. here's the interesting part that people need to look at is it wasn't until after my video exchange with vice president biden that the media started to take note. "the washington post" started to take note and then fact check those claims. now, there's actually more attention placed on this tactic i used, petty objection, they're placing attention on that. more than they did on biden's original allegations about rape surging. >> look, it's a clever way to do it. >> you had your credential around your neck. you had your badge right there. >> that's the interesting thing. i have a credential badge with the media. i had my badge. other media outlets saw i had my badge. i'm in a public place. secret service is around me. >> how dare you! >> how dare i ask a tough question? see this administration is used

to media outlets looking to gain access and not hold them accountable so they're laudatory in their praises but someone dares ask -- i don't think it was a tough question. i mean, it's just do you regret using a rape reference to describe opposition to the bill? oh, my gosh, steve, this is a confrontation now! >> it's interesting, i know you were on the john king program on cnn last night and he tried to chew you out a little bit but this morning in reaction to that, mediaite that is a media blog, they said, you know, that if a liberal reporter or god for bid borat were to quiz dick cheney at the time of valerie plame and stuff like that, everybody would be giving high fives to that reporter. >> yeah, you know, interestingly, too, one of writers for michelle malkin, our friend, he noted that if the administration is going to start targeting press credentials on people who could potentially make the vice president look silly, then the press gallery is going to be a very, very lonely place.

the fact is that this is nothing new, these tactics. mike wallace, heck, won peabodies and emmys for ambush journalism and using -- going undercover and using these false pretenses and they were targeting private citizens. i'm going after a politician in a public place while wearing my media badge. >> exactly. asking him a question that "the washington post" said he was wrong on. all right. jason matera from human events, thank you very much for joining us today from our d.c. bureau. >> thank you, steve. pleasure to be with you. >> e-mail us, what do you think about that? was it an ambush? was it fair? friends at foxnews.com. looking for some overtime? a government nurse took home a quarter of a million dollars for her extra labor. that's more than triple her salary. how did that happen and where? details straight ahead. then the government wants parents to vaccinate their young boys for hpv but is it safe? something that every parent needs to know. the medical a team on the case next. you noticed! these clothes are too big, so i'm donating them.

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>> time for medical a team now. a government health panel recommending that young girls get the hpv vaccine because the virus can lead to cervical cancer and other cancers and now a federal committee is saying that boys should get the vaccine, too. >> fox news medical a team contributor saw his deck of cards there and author of "the inner pulse, unlocking the secret code of sickness and health" dr. marc siegel is here. dr. siegel, how do you feel about this virus vaccination going to boys? >> cut to the chase, i'm all for it. this is a huge epidemic in the united states right now. we're talking about six million new cases each year. 75% of people turn human papaloma virus positive over their lifetime. we have to do something to cut

down on that. this vaccine creates a herd immunity if you vaccinate the whole herd. boys are carriers and they're getting more and more hpv related cancers, too, we have 15,000 in women, most of them cervical cancer. men, too, are starting to get cancers from this. throat cancer. this vaccine works and i'll tell you something else, brian, very safe vaccine in my opinion. 35 million doses have been given out so far. it uses modern technology, virus like particles. doesn't even have a virus in it. >> any time you talk about vaccinating kids, you know, people -- they want to do their research on it quite frankly. >> they should. >> are there any side effects on this vaccine? >> not anything major. there's been 17,000 reported adverse effects, none of them have been major. no major side effects linked to this vaccine so far. >> 100% effective? >> i believe it's about 95% to 100% effective. it's well worth getting it. here's another thing. you have to get three doses and only 1 in 10 girls have gotten doses. >> have you gotten enough stats back on what it's meant for

girls to think this is going to be a success for boys. >> absolutely. it will be more of a success if more and more girls and boys actually take it. you have to cut down on the virus circulating around. it is effective at protecting girls from getting it. almost 100% effective. >> when should girls and boys start thinking -- the parents of these kids start thinking about getting this vaccine. >> that's the big controversy, gretchen. i think it should be elective. i don't think it should be a mandatory vaccine. i think 11 is a little bit young, frankly. for it to be most effective, you have to get it before you're sexually active. so the question is when are people becoming sexually active? younger and younger. my own personal opinion and i have young children, i wouldn't give -- i have a 10-year-old daughter. i wouldn't give it to her yet and i have a 14-year-old son, i'm starting to think about giving it to him. suggesting that he get it. >> i'm going to be going 1-800-dr. siegel when my kids get to that age. and i'm going to tell you to get it. >> thanks very much. >> thanks very much. >> imagine this call coming in to 911. >> police? >> yes, we're in the honey pot

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>> it's thursday, october 27th already. i'm gretchen carlson. thanks for sharing part of your morning with us. rick perry trying to come back now from fourth place and he's making a major change to his strategy. what is he going to do that's different from all of the other candidates? we'll tell you. >> i love your riddles. you've heard president obama go after republicans to sell his jobs plan, right? >> not their plan which is let's have dirtier air, dirtier water. >> less people with health insurance. >> really? is that what that says? now republicans are firing back. wait until you hear what congressman paul ryan has to say. >> meanwhile, the state of california is completely broke. you know that. so why in the world is a worker at a state prison making almost

$270,000 a year? huh? we'll tell you. "fox & friends" hour two for thursday starts right now. >> ♪ cuz it's daybreak if you wanna believe ♪ it's barry manilow, you're watching "fox & friends." >> when barry was here within the last month or so, he promised when he has the next show over at radio city, he'll stop back on the curvy couch. >> it's in february. i'm going to it. >> remember three short years ago, p. diddy came to this very couch and promised that i'd have an invitation to his white party. that never came. >> are you saying that celebrities sometimes say things. >> that's what i'm saying, steve! snap out of it. don't be so naive. he's not coming. >> let's make it happen now. he just announced a fourth concert in new york because so many people got to see him.

>> unfortunately even though he writes the songs that make the whole world sing, i do not believe that barry manilow is coming back. >> it is a miracle indeed. >> do you want to bet? >> he will -- >> bet he's coming back? >> no, he won't come back. >> no, i know. it's ok. it's the principle of the thing. >> while you guys wager it out, i'm going to do headlines. >> we're in unison. he's not coming back. >> ceo of freddie mac calling it quits. he joined the mortgage giant in 2009 after the government bailed it out to the tune of $65 billion. yesterday, he admitted the company is nowhere near being able to pay those loans back. he says it will be up to washington to decide what happens next. halderman will step down at the end of the year. update now on the case of the missing missouri baby lisa irwin. her parents fighting back against reports that they refused to be interviewed separately by police. deborah bradley and jeremy irwin insist they've only declined interviews where their lawyers were not present. now, tomorrow, police will be

re-entr reinterviewing lisa's half brothers about what they saw that night. they will give d.n.a. samples to investigators can compare them to hair strands found in the home. while you were sleeping, the occupy wall street folks here in new york city marched on city hall. >> a dozen people as they made their way to city hall to show support for protesters all the way out in oakland and in oakland last night, hundreds of protesters left the plaza outside of city hall to march down nearby city streets. city officials announced a compromise. thee going to let them back into that plaza but still not allowed to camp there overnight. >> just like the tea party. >> remember the report about the wall street protesters eating like kings? well, they're about to see a major menu change on this menu. starting tomorrow, the volunteer kitchen staff that was serving stuff like organic chicken will only be preparing plain, old brown rice.

those volunteers say they're tired of putting in 18 hour days to feed freeloaders and homeless people. call it a field of screams, a massachusetts couple forced to call 911 after getting lost in an apple orchard. listen to this call. >> police? >> the rosenthals say they were lost for more than an hour after veering down a dark road. mark rosenthal says it's totally embarrassing and he blames the whole thing on his wife. >> i followed my wife. i mean, she's a speech pathologist, she's a teacher and she knows everything. if worse comes to worse, we're going to call police. i'm a grown man. how can i get lost in a flipping apple orchard? >> is that what you would all do. >> no man would ask for directions. >> i guess. >> anyway, they tracked his cell phone using gps to actually find them.

remember the other week we talked about that couple that got lost in that maze. remember that big maze. the cornfield maze and they called 911 as well and had a 3-week-old baby with them. >> let me say this, i have faith in that couple but this couple, they have layers of resentment. we just saw a few of those layers revealed. i think we need a therapist and bring them on -- >> she is a therapist according to them. >> we need an outside therapist. according to him, he's a very frustrated man. >> yeah, it sounded like he was. >> 5 minutes after the top of the hour. brand new fox news poll is out and it's good news for the cain train and cainiacs will be delighted in knowing that their man, herman cain who just in august was at 6%. he has now quadrupled that and is at 24%. mitt romney now 20%. down from 23% last time, this is the first time he's trailed herman cain. >> in a fox news poll probably. wasn't there another poll that herman cain was on top? look at newt gingrich, he's

quadrupled his ratings as well. spell that and say that four times. this is big news for newt gingrich but he's said all along the more that people get to know him in these debates, the more he will rise in the polls. when he was asked yesterday what do you make of this? he said i expect to be the nominee. so will he continue to go up in the polls? rick perry in that poll fourth place now behind newt gingrich. >> right. and i'll tell you what, one thing about herman cain, he predicted it last night with sean hannity and it happened today, there's an excoriating article by ex-staffers used as quotes that herman cain's camp is in disarray, they're disorganized, they have no infrastructure still in iowa. six people hired and 44 in new hampshire. and he showed no interest in doing the retail politics, only in selling his book. so this is something he predicted, perhaps? they talk about he's not showing up, forgetting to show up at a fundraiser where he was going to get $2,500 from everybody that was going to show up. so we'll see because they do not put their names.

>> do the american people care about that, though? i think what the american people like about herman cain has nothing to do with what his staffers might say is sour grapes. i think people like herman cain's plans and his candid approach to this whole thing. i think people like the fact that he's doing a grassroots thing and not doing it the way every other politician has done it. >> and i think people like the bold plan, 999 and now rick perry has a flat tax and yesterday, mitt romney said that if he's lucky enough to go to washington, d.c. as president of the united states, he would try to do something about what he referred to as a platter tax. speaking of debates, newt gingrich and herman cain are apparently going to have like a debate along the lines of the lincoln douglas debates, no moderator or anything like that so they're embracing the debate format. rick perry, though, who has not done well in the debates and in fact, he started at the top and then with each debate performance, he went down more and more and more, somebody who had ducked debates as the

governor of texas, apparently coming up with the next 15 or so debates. he might not be at them. >> he's going to be at the next one november 9th and that's going to be on international affairs so that should be interesting but he said we're not going to be showing up at all. better off going to iowa, south carolina and florida doing some campaigning there. his spokesperson communications director who was on here yesterday and did not say this, it kind of bothers me. came out and said look, we get tougher questions in iowa than we do with those debates anyway. >> publicity, go to the debate. >> you know what? if you're newt gingrich right now, you are dancing in the streets. i'm just telling you. i mean, newt gingrich does well at every single debate and the idea that rick perry is not going to be there it just one ups other people's chances to get their message out to the public. >> if rick perry is not going to be there, that's going to help mitt romney because, you know, they're so similar, they're both governors who have created jobs. if rick perry is not on the stage, attacking mitt romney, you got to figure it's a net-net plus for romney.

>> and good news for mitt romney's lawn care guys. if rick perry is not going to be there, they can hire their lawn care guys back. >> is it a good strategy for governor perry to not do all the debates. that question as well in the meantime, paul ryan has been criticizing president obama. he says he does it with hesitation because he actually -- he wanted to believe that the president was being earnest when he said hope and change when he was running for president three years ago. well, now he says that he believes the president is really more in favor of sort of this class warfare logic. listen to what he had to say about it. >> got their plan which is let's have dirtier air, dirtier water, less people with health insurance. all right. so so far at least, i feel better about my plan. >> that was paul ryan yesterday

at the heritage foundation. he went on with greta a little bit later. one thing he went on to say, he said we have fundamental differences of how this country should move forward and he's talking about the class warfare that he's perpetuating and exacerbating and he said this term, equal opportunities for equal outcomes. everybody has an equal outcome where he thinks the republican party is for equal opportunity to make your own outcome. >> when i say die fast, i'm talking the congressman from florida, he said the republicans' plan for health care is for people to die sooner. congressman ryan has had enough of that kind of give and take. and he responded last night on the greta van susteren show. >> are you for dirtier water and dirtier air? >> it's trying to affix to your opponent positions that they don't have to then knock them down and win the debate by default. this is why i call it an intellectually lazy argument because it's not a sincere at the debate on the facts, it's

not a sincere debate on the people that disagree with you on their actual positions so to me, this is conflict. this is starting the campaign in 2011 when the election is not until 2012 and the difference is nothing gets done. >> good point. >> all right. so let us know what you think about that or you may want to let us know what you think about this outrageous story in california. apparently, there is a prison nurse, a california prison nurse at a male prison who has earned -- >> sounds like a movie. >> who has earned $269,810 in overtime. that's more than her entire yearly salary. now, why is that happening? because of these deals that have been in place for pension. you get paid for vacation time that you don't take. and a lot of people now who are unemployed in california are saying wait a minute, how could this be happening? i'm getting zero for a paycheck. and these people are getting this kind of pay. >> they have 30,000 teachers that were laid off last year and the state has a $19 billion debt. let's take a look at where all the money is going like, for example, this woman's name is

gene keller. congratulations, you had a heck of a year. >> she tripled her pay with the overtime. she worked 2,450 extra hours or 102 full days. there's a prison doctor there who cashed in for $590,000 of vacation time. that's fantastic. >> all right. a computer specialist in the legislature's legal office got $61,905 in overtime on top of his $71,560 salary. >> we're in the private sector, overtime has gone to the boards as people look to balance the books and keep people on the payrolls. >> happy to have jobs. psychiatrist received close to $98,000 in extra duty pay and the head of the state gambling commission banked $169,623 in unused vacation pay. >> you shouldn't have that -- the governor sitting there trying to cut costs and the first thing you say is you cannot cash in on vacation. that changed here. >> but these are all grandfathered in to union policies and contracts, i

believe. >> going forward. >> isn't it part of state -- i think it's part of state law in california that these pensions stay put. anyway, yep, it's -- well, to get a different congress, they might there, a legislature. the president claims he's kept his promises 60% of them. is it a true figure? depends on who you ask. juan and andrea are here to duke it out after the break. >> and then bruce willis and his much younger wife with a big announcement. >> that she's much younger? >> yes, he just found out. that's his reaction. 4g-- the next evolution in wireless technology.

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himself on the back. >> i keep a checklist in my drawer of campaign promises. once a week, i take it out and make a little check and we've gotten about 60% done so far. in three years. but i need another five to get the other 40% done. >> he's done that many? no! the fact checkers are on the case and say only 30% of his promises have been fulfilled despite that note he keeps in his desk at 60%. we turn to andrea tantaros and juan williams, both co-hosts of the wildly successful "the five" here on the fox newschannel. let's start with you, you're glad the president hasn't kept all of his promises. >> good, i'm glad. in school, this would be a failing grade but of the 30% he has done, people don't like it. his policies are still overwhelmingly unpopular if you look at obamacare and the

stimulus so even "the new york times" poll that came out showed that a majority of americans, almost all americans believe that we are either stagnating or this economy is heading deeper into a recession so i would not pat myself on the back if i were the president. >> hey, juan, how did he get it that wrong? he said i've done 60% when, in fact, according to politifact.com, he's only done 30%. >> you could bump it up. >> he's still in the 30's. >> yeah, i think they say if you include compromises, it gets up to 39%. by the way, if you look at the republican congress that we have, the majority in the house, their rate of fulfilling promises is only 15%. definitely keep that in mind. but i think the way that he is doing it -- >> i thought they did nothing. >> well, i don't know. i don't want to get -- i don't want to say that. but i do think this, if you look at it from the president's point of view, he has not released his list, by the way, which would be helpful. what he is saying if you look at

the big ticket items and look at health care reform, wall street reform, don't ask, don't tell, ending torture, these things have been accomplished under his watch and andrea says wait a minute, a lot of people don't have a very good feeling about the direction the economy is heading, you could say that under the last president as well. >> juan has a great point. andrea, on big ticket items, he's done very well. >> yeah, but he can't be proud of this economy. i mean, every single economic indicator is pointing downward. and what's really scary is he's going to take the rest of the pocket checklist he has and try to do it through executive order. we can't wait to follow what the founding fathers set up for us which is three branches of government. i'm going to do everything myself and that is the most frightening thing of all. >> and now, juan williams has a final 30 seconds. >> i think when you deal with an obstinate and transigent congress that says anything you propose, we oppose, you have to

find a way to get things done for the american people especially when you point out rightly, andrea, unemployment is acceptable and you have an economy that's struggling and we have greece and europe teetering, we have to figure out how to get things done. >> he didn't have a hold of congress in the first two years. how does he explain that? >> steve is on the clock and he's really -- he's frightened. >> according to my checklist, we have accomplished 100% of what we tried to do today. juan and andrea, thank you very much for joining us live. >> you bet. >> have a great day, guys. >> meanwhile, straight ahead, her small town story going big. >> one, two, three! fight for it. this is so unladylike. >> mighty max star katy hayek and the real life star that made the story possible next. should teacheser be offering lessons of how to vote? you have to hear this story. [ male announcer ] drinking a smoothie with no vegetable nutrition?

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>> i'm looking forward to this segment because it's a story of faith, freedom and family. and now the inspirational story of a small catholic college and their women's basketball team has made it to the big screen. >> have the courage to follow your dreams. that's your gift to the world. >> maybe it's working in the department store. i don't know. but if you give that gift, i promise, a day will come when the world returns the favor. >> i thought dreams were only for rich kids. >> dreams are for everybody. all you need is a heart.

>> we're joined by actress katie hayek and one of the real mighty macs herself, theresa grant who is an outstanding coach, i understand, whom katie's character is based on. welcome to both of you. >> who would have won on a one on one? >> she would. >> you could shoot. >> i could shoot but i can't move. >> tell us about this amazing story that's finally come to the big screen. what happened at this small all girls catholic college back in the 70's? >> 1971. >> i think that it was a little divine providence and i don't want to offend anybody with that but there were three all americans out of philadelphia that went to that team without being recruited. i spent a whole lifetime and a lot of money to get that done. we came there, kathy rush came in, we never called her coach rush. we called her mrs. rush and she was in charge and we played and she coached and 40 years later, we are celebrating and having the time of our life. >> so you were a player on this team.

how many national championships did you win? >> three. >> but the first one is the one we focus on, right? and the team you beat in the finals you had lost to by 32 points prior. now, katie, this is your first big movie but you're built for this. you are a college basketball player. >> i know. i know. the cards are all laid out. and i've always wanted to perform on some sort of level and do something so i was a theater major and i played basketball in college at miami. >> so you play theresa in this movie. >> yeah. >> and you met each other on set. this almost didn't happen for you because amazingly, and so sadly, you were diagnosed with cancer. >> i know. >> how are you? what kind of cancer was it? >> it was the most bittersweet time. it was hodgkin's lymphoma so at the same time, i was finding out that i was booked in this role was the same time i found out that i had hodgkin's and then the same time i found out my shooting schedule was the same time i found out what my chemo schedule was going to be so it coincided but jim chambers, our director kept me on and thankfully so because it was the best project.

>> so how does she do? >> she's great. everybody when we found out there was going to be a movie again, i want this one to play me. that one to play me. i said forget that. i want somebody who can shoot! somebody that can shoot. >> you do good. >> my mother saw it the other night. probably that was the highest compliment. she said, you know, katie shoots just like you. >> wow. >> so she's done a great job. she's as beautiful inside as she is outside and done a great job with this film. >> what have you gone on to do in your life? >> i coached for 33 years at st. joe's, rutgers university and the university of illinois. i was with the 1992 olympic team and then i returned to my alma mater and i was the vice president for advancement and now i've moved on and i'm going to build my own company with consultant and speaking and -- >> so you really haven't amounted to much. and katie, congratulations to you. i cannot wait to see this movie and i thought maybe when we get closer, that i'll get an advance copy next time. so then i can have people over to my house. >> i'm looking forward to taking

my kids to the movie this weekend. thanks so much for providing a g rated good family movie. >> you're very welcome. >> all right. success to both of you. >> thank you very much. >> everybody is talking about this herman cain ad with a guy smoking. have you seen it? >> we can do this. we can take this country back. >> what is this campaign trying to say with this ad? herman cain himself explains next. >> that's him. then remember this side of john stossel? consumer watchdog testing contraptions that remove wrinkles and double chins. that stuff never worked so should we have government regulations that allow this junk in a more mature john stossel, shorter hair, same bite after the break. so who ordered the cereal that can help lower olesterol and who ordered the yummy cereal? yummy. [ woman ] lower cholesterol. [ man 2 ] yummy. i got that wrong didn't i?

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>> welcome back. you remember hammer time? now that classic video is by m.c. hammer is being used as a political ad. supporters including hammer himself say san francisco's interim mayor ed lee is too legit to quit. check it out. >> ♪ too legit too legit to quit ♪ ♪ too legit too legit to quit ♪

>> i don't get it. is the guy considering quitting? i don't get it. >> he's running. >> too legit to quit means too legit to lose. >> because ed lee gets it done according to what i've seen. >> and according to a slogan. you think that ad is confusing? man, those guys can dance. you think that's confusing? so many people have been trying to second guess what is herman cain saying in that internet ad that came out that features his campaign manager and chief of staff, a fellow by the name of mark block. if you watched it, he does a testimonial and then towards the end, he does something that you don't see in many ads. he does some smoking. >> mark block here. since january, i've had the privilege of being the chief of staff for herman cain and the chief operating officer of the friends of general mccain.

tomorrow, one day closer to the white house. i really believe that herman cain will put united back in the united states of america and if i didn't believe that, i wouldn't be here. we've run a campaign like nobody has ever seen but then america has never seen a campaign -- >> basically, he said i want mark block to be mark block so therefore, he's a smoker. so that's what he's like. >> yeah. >> he says that he doesn't -- you know, he wishes that he would quit smoking but i think the analogy here is that herman cain is kind of a guy who people like because of who he is. and so he's trying to make that analogy with his staffer who is just like he is in showing people that he's not going to hide the fact that he smokes. >> herman cain himself was on the sean hannity show. he was his first guest last night for two segments and here is mr. cain explaining that smoking chief of staff. >> we have a saying in my campaign, sean, let herman be herman. this is the attitude that i have when i do debates. this is the attitude that i have

when i do interviews. let herman be herman. mark block is my chief of staff and we also say let mark be mark. mark happens to be a smoker. he knows it's a bad habit. but he smokes. so we weren't trying to send any subliminal message whatsoever. many of us found it hilarious because we know mark block. so there was no hidden message there other than we were in vegas and we wanted to put something out on the internet because i was inundated with other requests and i trusted mark block which i still do and i thought he did a great job with the ad. the person who did the ad for us added that little thing at the end quite frankly that as you say has caused all the stir. there was no hidden message there other than mark block saying america has never seen another candidate like herman cain. >> and you know what's interesting, too, about that ad is it swamped rick perry's

message which means the release of his flat tax. that was on the nightly news and that was the major story on the political front whether you liked it or not. >> so the secret message, there wasn't one. it was just they had like two seconds left in the ad and the guy that cut the ad, let's put in the guy smoking. came down to him. >> frank luntz who takes a lot about how words matter and he does those dial approaches to advertisements, he's going to come up very soon. he's going to show you what the voters think of not only that ad but other political candidates' ads, that's coming up. >> frank went on from graduating high school to college. went on to that picture. >> i knew you were going to come up with that. brand new bombshell allegations in the case of robin gardner, the maryland woman who disappeared more than two months ago. "the national enquirer" now reporting a horrible story about gardner's travel companion. it's saying that guy buried robin alive. an anonymous source tells "the

enquirer" he put a plastic bag over her head and forced her to a shallow grave. he has yet to be formally charged in gardner's disappearance. >> ruth madoff, wife of bernie madoff speaking out fort first time. she claims she and her husband were so upset after the first arrest and they were under house arrest, they tried to kill themselv themselves. >> i don't know whose idea it was, we decided to kill ourselves because it was so horrendous what was happening. we had terrible phone calls, hate mail, we took pills and woke up the next day. >> what did you take? >> i think ambien. >> how many? >> i don't even remember. i had -- i took what we had. >> you took more. >> it was very impulsive and i'm glad we woke up. >> before taking the pills, madoff says she sent packages of jewelry to her sons and grandkids but left no suicide

note. their son mark killed himself almost a year later. >> bruce willis set to become a daddy for the fourth time. 56-year-old actor says his new wife emma hemming is due early next year. willis has three daughters, of course, with ex-wife demi moore, the youngest is 17 years old. >> meanwhile, he built his career, that's him right there, fighting for the consumer and exposing businesses for taking advantage of the little guy. >> did you get suckered by this ad? >> what did they get in the mail? a clothesline. >> speaking of high school pictures. >> now he realizing that he had it all wrong. he said consumers may be stupid but the government is only making it worse for them. >> john stossel, host of "stossel" on the fox business network is here. now, wait a minute, you're going to tell us you've had a whole change of heart on the way you used to do stuff and the way you look at the world now? >> yes, i really thought that -- i mean, i won all my emmys bashing business and we have to

have government regulation to stop this fraud and then i soon saw the regulation made things worse because they covered life in a spider web of rules, the crooks kept cheating but lawyers and bureaucrats got rich. >> so in your 50's or 60's, you wound up changing your principles? i think i've heard that earlier this week. >> in my 40's actually. my hair, fortunately. it was in style then. yeah, it's so counterintuitive. it's so natural to say there ought to be a law. but the cheaters kept cheating even when there was a law. the people selling the burn fat when you sleep pills are still getting away with it. >> for example, the pocket chair. if that wasn't so effective, it wouldn't have been such a great seller but if the pocket chair was a big scam, the market would take care of itself. >> right. what the heck is a pocket chair? >> chair that goes in your pocket. >> money invested in the company. >> haven't you seen brian sitting on the pocket chair? >> i'm fascinated by the pocket chair. >> you're right. the market is unbelievable.

the market instantly helps the good companies thrive, word gets out. the way to get rich in a free market society is to serve your customers well. >> the pills in the wrestling magazine, do they make you charles atlas? do we know if that works? i ordered a whole bunch. >> that's a good example. they kept selling stuff like that. >> forever. >> forever. even though there's all the law, the attorneys general would come after them and the company would change the name of the product or move to another state. >> those companies still exist. we reported on a guy last week that ended up committing suicide, i believe, as well because he was finally busted for running one of these kinds of operations. >> all right, those are all terrible. my point is just that there always be some fraud, you'll never get rid of all of it. none of it is huge! the way to get really rich, steven jobs rich, is to really give customers good stuff and when government steps in, everything costs more and it doesn't solve the problem. >> so if you invented a turkey, eventually people will figure it out and not buy it and that's

it. >> even more quickly with the internet. >> we'll watch a very mature john stossel. a new stossel like you've never seen before. he'll be at 10:00 on the fox business network. >> with the new scams. >> i love it. >> thank you, sir. >> coming up on the show, he's one of the newest and the youngest members of congress and mitt romney has been courting him for months. so what does aaron shock think of mitt? they just met yesterday. he's here next. >> they had no job, no money so they gave up everything else to go search for gold! the guys from gold rush are here with what they've found. i take my multi-vitamin but wanted to do something more for my nutrition. there's so much information out there. what's good for you today, is bad for you tomorrow.

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time for quick headlines. hurricane rina sending tourists in mexico scrambling. thousands have left popular resources as the category 1 storm approaches the yucatan peninsu peninsula's caribbean coast. strong winds have dropped to 85 miles per hour and the hurricane has slowed down but the area is expected to see downpours and potentially dangerous rip tides. meanwhile, lindsay lohan's dad michael lohan back in jail hours after being released much he was picked up for allegedly contacting his girlfriend. a violation of his pretrial release. here's the crazy part, tmz the blog reports when police went to arrest him, he jumped from a third story balcony of a hotel and then fell into a tree. oh, those lohans. brian, over to you. >> lindsay had a great role model there. with the economy in the dumps and uncertainty on wall street, more and more americans are investing in gold. you might have seen the ads but one family isn't waiting for the

gold coins in the mail, they're getting dirty. >> that's crazy! >> got some hot pans going here. >> if they were in dirt for a full day, they can average 8 ounces or $13,000. >> we'll have as much here as we did all season. >> pretty awesome. >> at this rate, the crew can pull over half a million dollars in gold. 25 times more than their rookie season. >> wow, and they had a great rookie season. here are the stars of discovery channel's "gold rush" todd hoffman and david tern, welcome to both of you. what a rookie run you have. you were number one on friday nights. close to four million people watching. >> that many people watching? >> he was keeping it from you and that's it -- >> i know. >> that's how this partnership works. >> i understand, todd, it was your idea, correct? >> well, my dad and i were putting our equipment together to go gold mining because we had done it back in the 80's. not successfully, but i always

knew in the back of my head that if gold went over $800 an ounce, we would be able to go ahead and go do it again. as i was putting it together, this show kind of blossomed out of that. >> you had a dream about it and your real estate business was in the toilet and you decided to take action rather than feel bad for yourself. >> right. >> how do we figure you in, dave? you're working in a quarry, correct? >> yes. >> you can work any piece of equipment on the planet. what did you think of this idea? >> i thought he was crazy. when he came to me, i knew todd from church and he came to me and said i'm doing a tv show. how many times have you heard that? i go right, todd. and then it started -- it started coming about last year, the rookie season, i went up twice and then in january, he asked me to join the crew full time. >> good move. >> yeah. >> now, how much money did you get last year? how much did you find? >> last year, about $20,000 worth of gold last year. >> last year was -- we didn't set the bar too high.

>> all right. >> i'm going to be honest with you. >> that's some of it. >> spent about $250,000 just in investment down there. >> right. right. >> this year, you're optimistic you're going to get more? >> oh, yeah. >> we're learning a lot. >> yeah, we can't say exactly how much gold we got but we took a major step forward and a lot of that has to do with david here. we brought in a real dozer operator and so i don't think he quite knew what he was getting into. >> you know what i love about this? yeah, we know the economy is bad. we know real estate is not great. and maybe all businesses are a little bit down but you take action. you didn't sit around. you take action. >> exactly. >> we'll find out more about that in season number 2. you'll probably get $8 million this year. friday nights at 9:00. you mind if we watch on the discovery channel? >> watch it, tell all your friends. >> you got it. i don't have many friends. >> thanks for having us. >> great job. meanwhile, he's one of the newest and youngest members of congress and mitt romney has been courting him for months. what does aaron schock think of

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>> welcome back, everyone. mitt romney is not only trying to win your votes, he's trying to get republican members of congress on board so yesterday, he met with a group of undecided republicans on the hill trying to convince them that he is conservative enough for their votes. aaron schock is one of those congressman from illinois and joins me now live from d.c. good morning to you, congressman. >> good morning, gretchen. good to be with you. >> so this has been sort of several months long mission of

mitt romney to get your endorsement. i understand he came to your 30th birthday celebration in illinois in may. correct? >> that's correct. you know, gretchen, i think he's been working hard for everybody's endorsement. i mean, whether it be the primary voter, whether it be my colleagues in the house or the senate. you know, he's been working this hard the last couple of years quite frankly as the other candidates have. i mean, newt gingrich has been on the hill. michelle bachmann obviously is a colleague of mine. herman cain is working it as well. so i think everybody is trying to get every endorsement they can but also ultimately the votes. >> so let's take a look at the latest fox news poll because it actually has herman cain on top now, 24%. mitt romney, 20%. newt gingrich 12%. rick perry 10%. ron paul 9%. does that sway you at all? do you look at the polls at all or just doing this from the gun? >> i'll tell you what, gretchen, as a candidate myself, i will tell you that the only poll that matters is the one on election day and you have to stay confident in who you are as a candidate and continue to be consistent in your message.

and i think at the end of the day, what primary voters are looking for is the strongest candidate to carry our principles to the general election voters and ultimately to beat president barack obama. we got a president who has incited class warfare, a president whose policies we've seen in action the last 2 1/2 years that have driven unemployment up to 9% for the longest time since the great recession. at the end of the day, they are looking for a candidate who believes in pro growth economics, who understands how to create jobs and that's what the primary voters are saying. all right, which of these guys and gals can be the best nominee for us to deliver that message, to beat barack obama and then to implement our policies. >> let's take a look at the congressional endorsements thus far. so far, members of congress, 31 have gone for mitt romney. 10 for rick perry. three for ron paul. is there any sort of a timeline for you or other members of congress on this? are you saying to yourself? i really want to make my decision by the end of this week or by the end of november. where do you stand on that?

>> sure, i think we're making up our minds like our primary voters are and folks are looking to the members of congress or senators and saying look, who do you think is a good candidate for us to nominate? i think it's based on your primary quite frankly in your state. i'm from illinois that has an early primary so our primary will be in march so obviously, it doesn't make much sense for me to support or endorse a candidate after my state's primary. i think if your primary isn't until june or july, you have definitely much more time to make up your time but as a candidate, again, myself, having run for office early support is the most important. and you always remember those people who have come on sooner rather than later. of course, once you win, everybody was with you. >> well, yeah, many people hope that the republicans will coalesce around the one candidate whoever that ends up being. let me ask you this. yesterday, when mitt romney came to meet with undecided members of congress, you gave a quote to the newspapers saying that you felt like he knocked it out of the park. what was it about mitt romney yesterday? >> well, i think first of all,

i was invited and was told there would be about a dozen undecided members at this meeting. i showed up, there was probably somewhere between 40 to 50 members of congress in this room. it was literally packed. i will tell you, gretchen, members of congress don't pull punches when they're questioning their potential nominee. he got fired at a couple of tough questions. i was thoroughly impressed honestly with his response. he was on his a game and i think, you know, based on his performance in the debates where i think overwhelmingly he's done the best, his message, though, was don't judge me based on the debates. judge me based on my performance. i can not only talk the talk but walk the walk and implement the policies so i left impressed. i think the overwhelming majority of the members did as well and so i think -- >> we'll see where you end up. your endorsement is highly sought after. congressman aaron schock, republican from illinois. great speaking with you. >> great to be with you. >> coming up on the show, the vice president didn't like this

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>> gretchen: good morning. today is thursday, october 2. thank you for sharing your time with us today. james caravel compares the gop candidates to a bum of criminals trying to get away with murder. the ragen cajun democrat. let's listen. >> steve: great. he called out the vice president for his controversial comments. >> do you regret using a rape reference to describe republican opposition to -- >> no, no, no let's get it retirement don't screw around with me. >> steve: yeah, he's the vice president. the bigger story here, guess who is trying to shut him up now that he's asked that question, that's straight ahead. >> brian: say y'all, say me? ♪ say me ♪

say it together naturally ♪ >> brian: did i say y'all wrong? i'm going to move down south and learn the dialect. lionel richie about to give this classic song a country twist. "fox & friends" starts right now, y'all. >> you're watching "fox & friends." that's the great way to begin your day. >> gretchen: here is the thing, i've had the luxury of living in the south, i lived in virginia and also texas. it's so interesting how early on you learn to say y'all. it becomes participate of your vernacular and i would go to minnesota and they'd be like, who is that? sometimes it creeps in. >> brian: right. i probably shouldn't be saying that. so if there is another country read, i'm going to pass it to the minnesota girl who went

texas. >> gretchen: pass off now 'cause we're doing headlines. fannie mae head joined them years ago. he admitted the company nowhere near being able to pay back loans. he says it will be up to washington to decide what happens next. he will step down at the end of the year. update in the case of missing missouri baby lisa irwin. her parents fighting back against reports that they have refused to be interviewed separately by police. the parents insist they've only declined interviews where their lawyers weren't present. tomorrow police are going to reinterview her half brothers with what they saw the night she disappeared. those boys are five and ace years old. they will reportedly give dna samples so investigators can compare them to hair strands found in the home. overnight, the occupy wall street folks in new york city marching on city hall.

police arrested about a dozen people. the protesters were showing their support for the protesters out in oakland who were evicted on tuesday. let's go to oakland. hundreds of protesters left the plaza. city officials announced a compromise to let them back into the plaza, but they're still not allowed to camp in oakland overnight. here is the story of the day. lionel richie going a little country, y'all. the 62-year-old star will perform a country version of "dancing on the ceiling" with rascal flats at the country music awards next month. his new album features duets

with stars like kenny chesney, all doing new versions of his songs. he was born and raised in alabama. it's in his bones to be southern. time to bring in michelle malkin who joins us from colorado. she's the author of "culture of corruption." good morning, michelle. >> good morning. thanks for getting one of the worst songs of the '80s stuck in my head. >> brian: lionel richie doing country. it turns out -- one thing i learned over the last five years really is i think james caravel for the most part is an unpredictable pundit. sometimes he'll take on democrats. sometimes he'll take on republicans. here he's taking on the entire republican field. let's watch together. >> rick perry is completely blown himself up. the best thing rick perry can do for his family and friends is get out of the race examine go back to texas. this man is evidently not up to this. he had plenty of chances to do

it. he can't debate, he can't give a speech, he can't go on television. >> he's got $15 million in the bank, james. >> he could have $150 million in the bank, he is incapable of running for president. herman cain is not going to be the republican nomination for president! i mean, what he is is a national distraction and maybe not a bad one in the middle of this horrific recession. if romme is able to go to 50%, i guess there is nothing to stop him. but there is great resistance, he can't get above 25%. they don't want to be for romney. it's perfectly clear. everybody goes up, everybody goes down, romney stays the same. when you eliminate the impossible, all you're left with is improbable. hello, mitt! >> gretchen: michelle? >> we need a hand kerr chef to dabble the spittle. he's far more interesting when he waxes can candidly about the

democrats. he was advising obama to start panics a few months ago and to fire his staff. so clearly there is a lot more concern on the part of conventional liberal analysts like james carville than indicated in his sort of standard talking points about the gop field. >> steve: you know what? we have heard from karl rove, the strategy on the democrat side is to blow up whoever the nominee is, and obviously he's doing the entire group. carville's group itself has seen the writing on the wall. they say that less than 40% of the under 30 crowd -- less than 40%, approve of the job the president of the united states is doing. he's probably -- he probably can't get reelected unless he's got those millenials. >> right. that's why we have all this desperate pandering and this dispensing of federal loans and candy to that part of the rank and file democrat base. they're reading the tea leaves. they're looking at these numbers

and as much as they can harang about the weakness of the gop field, come next spring, summer, and fall, they're going to be worrying a lot more about the jobless numbers than they are about the quality of the gop candidates. >> gretchen: it will interesting to see if he can get the youth vote as he did, galvanizing them across the country. i want you to look at what this stimulus for students really means. we'll give you a hypothetical. let's say a student needs to borrow $212,000. unfortunately, that's when it costs for some private institutions these days for a four-year education. and then would have to repay 28,000 it $20, depending on the type of job they get in the open market after college. and over time, then, what would the taxpayers owe on that loan? it appears a lot, because if they're only going to pay 28,000 on 212,000, the taxpayers would make up the difference?

>> yeah. it's very stark when you put it in stuff clear mathematical terms. and it's a raw deal for everyone. taxpayers, these students who are getting really crappy, useless educations at overinflated prices. and the federal government and washington's solution here to the education bubble is their same nonsolution to the housing bubble, which is to inflate it even more. it's crazy. it's a cycle that has to end. but no, look what obama is doing to try and pander not just to these college students, but to the generation behind them as well. he's been at so many high schools here in colorado, he might as well officially enroll! he was just here yesterday and he was here last month dispensing all of these goodies and as i've said with all of these pailout, whether it's for -- bailouts, whether it's for big corporations or whether it's for these kids who are in massive debt, we have to stop

repeating things that are not working. >> brian: we just -- how is he doing in colorado? he desperately needs it. he had it last time. where is he at? >> there was a big touted colorado model during the last couple of election cycles where progressives were really fired up. they had a huge infrastructure here. i think it's a telling sign that all of them are bailing out and this is a purple state. it swung both ways. i think it's going to swing back to the right and that's good, especially since i've been a resident here, i've been waiting for that. >> steve: purple mountains imagine gee. i know you're friends with jason matera, an editor at human events. a couple days he asked the vice president, do you feel bad about having a rape reference, when he was talking about the crime rate unless people pass the president's jobs bill, rape and murder will go up? and after he asked that question, now apparently the vice president's office is

investigating with the senate whether or not they should pull his credentials to allow him loose there on capitol hill. he was on our program earlier today. >> it's selective outrage because cbc, abc have been doing undercover sting operations for decades now. so there is nothing new here. the vice president is looking to divert what he said and put the onus on me and my tactics. this administration is used to media outlet looking to gain access and not hold them accountable. >> steve: and the thing is, some say, well, he got the interview -- he was standing there, he had his press pass right there. the president walks over. they pose for a picture. he asks the question, and now he is the object of a lot of the main stream media dialogue and not what joe biden said which was deemed by the "washington post" fact finder as being incorrect. >> yeah. i'm so proud of jason. he worked with us when i was running hotair.com and he's been

asking many of the questions and confronting so many of these entitled beltway bubble boys like joe biden who are offended when anyone shows them anything less than complete hack yes, sirens. if the committee that governs all of these press credentials folds and submits to all of this thuggishness from the vice president office, it would be a damn, damn shame. the entire white house press corp. should be up in arms about this. but it's a signal of the lack of transparency of this white house, which has been pushing around a lot of reporters now, not just from the conservative leaning press, but all of the local outlets that get stuffed in closets so they don't ask troublesome questions of this vice president and this administration! >> gretchen: like what was happening in san francisco, you're alluding to the local reporters there. >> yeah. >> gretchen: tell us what happened there. we have about 20 seconds.

>> they're banning the san francisco press from another local fund-raiser. this is a trend now. the san francisco chronicle, which has been the subject of these kind of gag orders called it, quote, unfought, nixonian. glad to know they're finally realizing some of the culture of corruption that's been govern not guilty this administration since day one. better late than never. >> gretchen: thank you so much for your thoughts. we'll see you next week. >> you bet. >> brian: if you lose your home for any reason, can you ever start fresh? bob massi explains how to bring your credit back from the brink. >> steve: then it's become a huge hit on the super net. we'll take you behind the scene at that halloween house. how did they do it? details ahead. [ male announcer ] in blind taste tests, even ragu uss chose prego. prego?! but i've been buying ragu for years. [ thinking ] i wonder what other questionable choices i've made?

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of the hour. with nearly 1.5 u.s. homes currently in foreclosure, the housing crisis continues to devastate the country. but does going through a foreclosure or bankruptcy mean you can never own a house again? let's talk to bob massi. that's such a good question. and that's how we'll start things off. how long after a foreclosure or a bankruptcy or short sale to be considered for a mortgage loan again? >> yeah. we put some of these graphics up for our viewers. basically they've set these guidelines up that if you had a freddie mac or fannie mae loan, the conventional loan, you have about seven years in order to reestablish credit. if you have an fm a loan, which is -- fha or va loan, then you have three years. what this means is if you were foreclosed on and you had a conventional loan and you want to get an fha loan, fha says if it was your primary residence and three years past, then they'll look at it.

it's important to understand that these guidelines, like with freddie mac and fannie mae, there is exceptions within some of these things. these are general guidelines put out by freddie mac and fannie mae and hud also. >> steve: it's a number of years. it's interesting that some of them you have to wait longer than others. it flies in the face of conventional wisdom. >> it does. one that's interesting that people shake their head is if you file bankruptcy, chapter 7 bankruptcy, it says you actually, with fha and va you could potentially get a new loan after two years. which is good, but the reason behind it is this: number one, they know you can't file another bankruptcy for ten years. and number two, they assume that a lot of your unsecured debts have been wiped off from a bankruptcy. and as a result, that's why they sort of lower it down. but at least it gives our viewers an idea that there is life after short sale and foreclosures and bankruptcy. you will be able to own again. >> steve: all right. that's good. you did just tell us what the source of the guidelines were, fannie mae and freddie mac and

there were exceptions. what about your fico score? >> all the experts i talk to say if you lost your home or short sale, if you keep your consumer debts current, your credit cards, installment loan, your fico scores will go up in 12 to 18 months. i know people that filed bankruptcy a year ago issues they have credit cards again. they're buying a car, things like that. so fico scores, they have these different grids and they're actually creating new grids in order to help people get their fico scores back. what the lenders are saying is this, look, we understand what's going on. we're setting these guidelines. they are moving targets. you're going to see some things probably change, even the people i spoke to this week in preparation for today's set that some of these things will change over time. but the most important message is listen, viewers, if you had a bad time, you will own again. there is no question. >> steve: it's just a matter of how long. bob, the president of the united states was in your hometown of las vegas talking about the

rephi program for homeowners. is that going to make much of a difference? >> yeah. the program basically was designed for people current to refinance. i talked to some people and they're all saying, who is going to refinance, steve, a loan under water? number one. number two, it's discretionary by the lenders. it's fannie mae and freddie mac and lenders do not have to participate in this. but what lender is going to want to refinance a loan that's under water? it's unfortunately, although i embrace new things and i want it to work, i just don't think ultimately it's going to make a difference. >> steve: well, i know there are a lot of desperate people out there looking for answers and that's why we do this once a week. bob massly, thank you. >> all right, thank you. >> steve: meanwhile, a stunning confession from ruth madoff, bernie madoff's wife. >> i don't know whose idea it was, but we decided to kill

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>> brian: as the republican candidates fight it out, they have stepped up their political ad wars. so which candidates are getting it right and which ones are missing the point? joining us now, the guy about to appear on the big screen. frank luntz, author of "win."

welcome back. >> thank you. it's great to be in st. louis. hopefully there will be a game tonight. >> brian: maybe a game 7, if there is a game tonight, if they are victorious. now, let's listen to and watch this ad together and then see how they do on the dials. here is governor rick perry wanting that job. now look at the moderate and look at the conservative lines. let's listen. >> the quickest way to give our economy a shot in the arm is to deploy the american ingenuity to tap american energy. we must get america working again. to create a new wave of american independence, energy independence, end the overregulation. end the excess litigation. let's get back to what we know works and that's get america working. >> brian: it seems this rates real high, right, frank? >> yes. notice something. he said the word american four times in the first ten seconds.

i don't even know if there is a patriotic song that has america so often. he is attempting to appeal to the patriotism, to a sense among republican, primary voters that bad things are happening to the country and let's go promote what we know how to do, innovation and education and it's a very effective ad and it will play across the country. >> brian: the music very majestic. mitt romney rolled out an ad and capitalized on one big endorsement. see where they meet. let's watch. >> america cannot survive another four years of barak obama and mitt romney is the man we need to lead america and we need him now. that's why i'm endorsing mitt romney for president of the united states. biggest reason why i want to support governor romney is i believe he is the best person to be able to articulate republican values and defeat barak obama in november 2012. i know that america needs a new course and i want it to be with the person who i believe will be

the best person to lead america on that course and that's governor mitt romney. >> brian: moderates loved it. conservatives grew into it. what's your read? >> conservatives don't like endorsements. conservatives want to know where you stand and sit. moderates are more interested in who you are. they're less focused on issues and focused on personalities which is why the governor of new jersey did well. also notice the powerful music behind it. this is something that the republicans have captured. the bigger the orchestra, the more powerful the ad. >> brian: i want to bring in something a little unorthodox. herman cain. it's time for action. let's watch. >> i've had the privilege of being the chief of staff to herman cain and the chief operating officer for herman cain. tomorrow it's one day closer to the white house. i really believe that herman cain will put united back in the united states of america and if i didn't believe that, i wouldn't be here. we've run a campaign like nobody has ever seen.

but then, america has never seen a candidate like herman cain. we need you to get involved because together we can do this. we can take this country back. >> brian: all right. bizarre? what's your read? >> herman cain has had this meteoric rise because he's not like any other politician is. number one, don't put your campaign manager on camera. number two, take the cigarette out of his hand. number three, that smile takes way too long. of all the things that herman cain has done, he's done a lot of things right during his campaign. that's wrong because it comes across as traditional politics. >> brian: frank, didn't it eat up all the air time and had us debating it and herman cain's name? doesn't that benefit the campaign? >> absolutely not. this is not an issue. i know some people say if you get coverage, all coverage is good coverage. not in herman cain's case.

this guy has risen because he doesn't sound, he doesn't act, he's not a traditional politician. he doesn't have that background. so anything that herman cain does that makes him look political, even if jewish talking about him -- if you're talking about him will bring him down. i would tell the campaign don't do that again. >> brian: they might take your advice. they should because this one is free. the next one will cost them because that will be a phone call and consultation. frank luntz. >> and brian, if people want to participate in one of these fox news focus groups, go to luntzglobeal.com and you can sign up. >> and also that means you get the chance to mean frank luntz in person. just don't touch him. thanks a lot. appreciate it. always great to see you. >> thanks. >> brian: coming up straight ahead, when we come back, breaking news, brand-new weekly jobless numbers from the labor department about to be released. i hope it's good news. and we'll take you behind the scenes am for the most famous halloween house in america. i might be moving to this block.

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-- 2.5%. eric bolling joins us now. what do you make of the numbers? >> the 402, elevated. this should be 350, but it becomes like a broken record every thursday. it's got to be lower. those are new people walking in for their first time into an unemployment office asking for help. it needs to be 300, 325,000. that's elevated. that's the bad news. the gdp number, i wouldn't call this good news. 2 1/2% growth -- >> steve: it's better news. >> it's better than being in a recession which is negative growth. so if that number is 0 or below, that's a recession two quarters in a row is called a recession. we haven't been there, but we should be a much higher gdp. we should be a 3, 3 1/2%. with a big economy like we have, the difference between a it 1/2 and a 3 1/2, one percent s literally hundreds of billions of dollars that would be floating into the economy. >> brian: you say like china is aen 8?

>> china wants to tell you it's 8. it's probably 10 or 12 because they grow so fast. the fear is that they're growing too fast. this is why you know within a short period of time china is going to catch up to us on the size of their economy. we need to be higher. most of the projections out of the white house for jobs for unemployment, for spending, for cutting spending initiatives base themselves on 3% or higher of gdp growth going forward into 4% in outer years. we're not going to get it at that rate. >> steve: all right. let's talk about something in the news. senate bill 5 out in the state of ohio. essentially would limit collective bargaining rights for 300,000 of ohio state workers. roux now, according to the latest poll out there, it's going down to defeat. >> yeah. here is what -- let's talk about what this is. in wisconsin, scott walker came out and said, we have to figure out a way to close a 3 1/2 billion dollars budget deficit. that's what it was projected to be a couple years out.

he won, he said he was going to do it. am he went after the union, they renegotiated collective bargaining and made cuts. now wisconsin is on the path to have a not only a balanced budget, but close that gap. they're on the right path. so for the republicans, it's the textbook example of how to run a government, how to change reform government. john kasich in ohio says we like to do what wisconsin do, so they proposed it in ohio. it passes. right? it's in the books, it's going to become law. the unions fight. they get however many signatures they got to put a referendum on and now it's up for another vote. now the unions are gaining momentum. very, very importantly, mitt romney campaigning in ohio had the chance to say, hey, i side with john kasich, this is what government -- >> gretchen: he had in the past. he had tweeted about it. >> but he didn't. he steered clear of that. i think it's a huge fail on

romney's part. >> gretchen: he came back yesterday. >> i know, but given -- is this kind of a looking glass into a romney presidency? is he going to be weak on the unions? is he going to step up and say, look, let's close this? we're $14 trillion in the hole. it's one area -- >> brian: you know the problem is that you can go down to unions and there might be unions in which you're logger heads with the republican party, but a lot of cops and firefighters consider themselves allies and they're also involved in this. so you have to worry, you can't alienate firefighters and police officers -- >> but a president romney could renegotiate with public unions, which aren't part of -- it's not the -- the cops and firefighters are not -- >> here is an opportunity for him to say, i'm going to be tough on unions. i'm going to be tough on public pensions and he didn't do it. >> gretchen: let's look at the big picture of this, because it could have a startling impact on the way in which other states choose to go after unions and

pension plans if they choose to do that, down the road. because if this thing is overturned in ohio, what's that going to say to other states? >> i don't know. is it going to get overturned? they thought they would overturn it in wisconsin. the polls are that way. remember it was going to go down -- they tried to repeal it in wisconsin and then the democrats said no, no, we're going to go high tail it out. this whole pr campaign and there was occupy madison practically. remember that whole summer of people occupying the state house in wisconsin? the point is this: this is a hugely important moment for republican governance right now. take wisconsin. use it in ohio. romney, whoever, cain, whoever is going to be, perry, expand on it. you have an opportunity to renegotiate, to work with public unions on the federal level, go ahead and do it. this is what we're all about. >> steve: all right. let's talk briefly about herman cain currently he's number one in the brand-new fox news poll that's come out. when we read your book, we were

astounded. you're in it. he actually has taken part of your book. >> i didn't know. they said, by the way, you're in herman cain's book. it was the repatriation idea that we talked about here, so many times, we talked -- my plan was to bring back the 2 or $3 trillion in corporate profits that are sitting in overseas bank accounts that weren't going to come back anyway because 35% corporate tax rate to bring it back. if you bring it back, tax free and use a quarter of whatever you're allowed to bring back to hire americans and buy american equipment, you're going to stimulate the economy. if 2 trillion comes back, there is a half trillion, $500 billion stimulus that doesn't cost the taxpayer one single cent. can i point this out? there are 20 different lawmakers, congressmen, senator, governors who have signed on to the plan. one guy last night said, you no he what? i would love to bring it to the hill, can i use your name? >> i said do it. get it done. >> gretchen: we'll see where it goes. we'll see you on "the five"

today. >> thanks. >> steve: we got headlines for you on this thursday morning. brand-new bombshell allegations in the case of robyn gardner. she is the woman who disappeared in aruba more than two months ago. the "national enquirer" tabloid recording her friend buried her alive. he put a plastic bag over her head and forced her into a shallow grave. police not commenting on the report. he is being held in an a jail in aruba and has yet to be formally charged in hess disappearance. >> gretchen: roux madoff, the wife of bernie madoff, is speaking out in her first tv interview. she claims she and her husband were so upset after his arrest, they tried to kill themselves on christmas eve in 2008. she said, quote, i don't know whose idea it was, but we decided to kill ourselves because it was so horrendous what was happening. we had terrible phone calls, hate mail. we took pills and woke up the next day. the questioner said, what did you take? she said i think it was ambien.

how many? i don't remember. i took what he had. he took more. it was very impulsive and i'm glad we woke up, end quote. before taking the pills, madoff says she sent packages of jewelry to her kids and grandkids but left no suicide note. >> brian: one of the world's richest men, worth $18 billion. he asked you for a loan what, would you do? would you give it to him? the u.s. department of energy said yeah, i'd give it to him. in fact, we did. $730 million in taxpayer money going to a russian company. it's run by russia's man of steel and has close ties with the kremlin. he plans to use the money to improve its high strength steel plant in dearborn, michigan. the republican congressman darryl issa is raising questions about the loan. he says the foreign company was already moving forward with plans to improve the plant before the government loan was approved!

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after weeks of putting up with a bunch of stuff, cities across the country cracking down on the occupy wall street protests. so let's go out to oakland. police force used tear gas on demonstrators after they refused to leave a restricted area of their camp site. is this a sign the movement's days could be coming to an end or will this go on and on? fox news legal analyst peter johnson, jr. is here. >> good morning. i think it's going to go on and on. but a lot of cities, like atlanta, oakland, even like new york city are saying, we really had enough of this. this has gone for a very long time. unfortunately, one protester who was apparently a marine veteran of iraq was wounded by some projectile in oakland the other night after police said they were throwing rocks and bottles and other projectiles at the police. but what's happened now is now acorn is in it, according to foxnews.com. >> gretchen: i never thought i would hear that name. >> through its successor organization, we remember acorn from the last presidential election and their connection with president obama and some of his supporters.

so they're apparently part of it. although they deny any paying of the homeless or any other untoward fundraising activities for which a story on foxnews.com -- >> gretchen: here is what that story says. it says that acorn is now operating under a different name, new york communities for change, or at least some of their people are with that organization. and that they're organizing, quote, guerrilla protests and hiring door to door canvassers to collect money under the banner of various causes while spending it on the protests. from a legal point of view what, does this say to you? >> from a legal point of view, this thing seems to have gotten out of control and a -- in a lot of respects. we have the right to free speech. but when you see protesters holding signs that say, kill the pigs. or arrest the police, the nypd protects and serves the rich. when you see sentiments that are anti-semitic in nature and then you see that the class warfare

has really gone to hell, the 1% now seem to be the protesters that occupy wall street in lower manhattan because they decided now -- you see a story in the new york post -- workers revolt, anti-rich volunteers fed up with homeless. they're throwing the homeless out of the park who come to eat the chicken and the organic rice and all these wonderful goodies that they are spending their half million dollars on. >> gretchen: i don't need to -- mean to laugh. >> but they're saying, listen, we're the 1% now. you 99% homeless, get the heck out of the park. so it seems to be a terrible disconnect, in my mind. so now the occupy wall street folks that are not pursuing employment, not pursuing job, that marched through manhattan last night. you had hundreds of police officers and helicopters in the air and they broke off into the street, they're saying to the homeless, don't eat our food. don't stay with us. >> gretchen: it's a little disingenuous. the other thing we might get

into on another time is what kind of special services are the regular people, taxpayers losing out because the police are all down there doing all this overtime? >> billions of dollars. >> gretchen: we'll tackle that tomorrow. good to see you. you heard the dogs behind me there. halloween not just for the kids. we'll check out the top costumes for cats and pups. it's coming up next. first, let's check in with martha for what's on. do you have a dog or cat? >> no, not yet. i'm like you. i'm waiting 'til the kids are ready to help me take care of the dog. >> gretchen: last night i got the full court press. what's coming up? >> thanks. so here is the question: how super is this super committee? we're about to find out. reports say the senate democrats are offering a twice the cuts needed. jeb hensarling is the lead republican on that committee and will tell us what's going on. and rick perry tries to wrestle back tea party support from herman cain. bill and i join you at the top of the hour. lots going on. we'll see you then. úy

>> brian: humans aren't the only ones who have a lot of fun dressing up for halloween. and it shows. the 2011 national retail federation says that americans will spend $310 million on costumes this year for the pets. you're scaring me, america. >> steve: that's a lot? >> gretchen: this is an expert on the underdog to wonder dog and she's here with some tips to keep your pets safe while looking great. good morning to you. >> good morning. >> gretchen: we got a excited bunch here. >> these are all adorable furry friends. >> brian: all adoptable? >> from pet mart charity. they're wearing costumes exclusive to pets mart. >> steve: with our dog, every halloween we would put devil ears on and he didn't like it 'cause he didn't like the restriction of the thing around his neck. that's one of the things you

say. if you're going to put one on, make sure it's not restricttive. >> exactly. make sure the animal is comfortable. have them wear it for a few days before halloween and give them food. >> brian: what is this? it's a bee? >> this is a bumble bee. a beagle mix dressed up as a bumble bee. we've got a pumpkin and probably one of the cutest ones is from the martha stewart pets program, which is the witch. >> gretchen: i see that dog doesn't like the hat part of the costume. >> i think we can get rid of the hat. >> gretchen: what are the other tips you have? this is a great one, find costumes that have velcro straps because the tieget in their fur and can be a problem. >> yes. and the velcro is more adjustable, which means obviously you can get a costume that can be fitted appropriately for your pet. probably the most important thing i would say in regards to having your pets enjoy halloween with you is to make sure you consider the fact that no matter how well socialized your animal

is, odds are when they see people wearing costume, they're probably going to be a little spooked. go to pet parties. >> gretchen: they shouldn't go to the door with you when trick or treaters come? >> probably not. if you think they're calm at the front door, if you feel they're going to be okay with having visitors and strangers come to the door, at least put a baby gate up. >> brian: for human beings, don't wear that lady gaga meat dress. >> steve: that is not a good costume. >> brian: we want to get all these dogs homes. we want to get this beagle mix a home, and the rest. what is that supposed to be? >> a dragon costume. >> brian: oh, a dragon. >> steve: one of the things -- so you're out with your dogs and all those treats. don't give the dog a treat. a dog treat. >> give them except appropriate treats. be most careful of chocolate and also you need to be really careful of raisins and grapes.

>> steve: can that really kill a dog? >> it can. it takes a decent quantity of it, but it depends on the size of your dog, so be extra cautious. >> gretchen: keep them out of the snickers bars. >> brian: you want to adopt a dog? go to our web site. we'll find out. >> steve: stay tuned. they'll be in the after the show show. we roll on, live from new york in two minutes. look how excited he is. [ male announcer ] drinking a smoothie with no vegetable nutrition? ♪ [ gong ] strawberry banana! [ male announcer ] for a smoothie with real fruit plus veggie nutrition new v8 v-fusion smoothie. could've had a v8.

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