i'm bill o'reilly. please always remember the spin stops right here. we're definitely looking out for you. the new dynamic as the republican field for 2012 shifts. who's now on top? who's rising, who's sinking fast? the architect karl rove takes us through all of this. the holy war, the office of human rights launches an investigation after muslim students complain about a crews fix in the classroom at a catholic university. i kid you not. the occupy rallies are getting out of control. all of that plus media mash. our weekly roundup of the bias in the main stream obama mania media and our great, great

american panel. we are on the road to 2012. hannity starts right here right now. >> it's difficult to predict what will happen in any primary battle, and the race for the 2012 republican nomination has been no different. now, the past two months of this contest have been one incredible roller coaster ride. we've seen frontrunners come and go and some unlikely candidates surge to the top of the pack. now, at the moment we're two months away from the iowa caucuses. to give you an idea of what could lie ahead, look at what the g.o.p. field looked like two months ago. in late august in a fox news poll, rick perry had a comabding lead over his rivals. mitt romney was running strong. sarah palin was in the mix and ron paul and michelle bachmann rounded out the top five. that was then, this is now. herman cain who was not on anybody's radar back in august is the frontrunner with 24% of the vote. mitt romney remains in second. newt gingrich is in double digits with 12%, and rick perry has fallen to only 10%.

ron paul now running in fifth place. it gives you an idea how dr dramatically things can change in two months. how will the field look come january. hear what the senior advisor to george w. bush says. he's a well known fox contributor, best known for his white board, the one and only karl rove. sir, how are you? >> fabulous. how are you, sean? >> you want to add more texture. i understand you have a perspective going back to 2008 that's pretty interesting. what have you got? >> first of all, let's use one set of numbers which is the real clear politics average of all the recent polls. you're right. herman cain has come from nowhere to lead in that by 25. mitt romney at 24. rick perry at 11, and newt gingrich at 9. now, the real clear politics average is a good way to get sort of the outlieliers by averaging recent polls but it's a lagging indicator. herman cain sort of peaked two

weeks ago at 29 and 30, the highest numbers he hit in a couple of polls, drifted a bit, with yobut this is a pretty astg move. here's where the contest was four years ago today. fred thompson had 18, mccain had 14 and mitt romney at 11. we know that by january third, the iowa caucuses, mike huckabee came out of nowhere and became a real contestant, and rudy and fred were gone by the time of the iowa caucuses. we have about 68 days until the iowa caulk cus caucus vote on tf january. you take out the holidays, there's 45 days during which the candidates can campaign. we're going to see lots of ups and downs between now and then. that's the nature of a primary contest. >> we had herman cain on the

program last night. he made comments about you and he doesn't like that white board of yours. >> he likes this one. he likes this one. >> i don't think there's anything not to like. all right. he has been able to sustain, you know, he's gone through a debate defending his 9-9-9 plan and still remained on top. it seems that the other comers surged and fell off more quickly. why do you think he's been able to sustain his surge, and interestingly, mitt romney just holds in there in the mid 20s the entire time. >> yeah. well, first of all, i'm not certain that he's necessarily sustaining. he began this move in essence in late september after the disasterous performance in the florida debate by rick perry and the florida straw poll vote and moved up. he hit ha his high point at 29 a national poll, 30 in another poll. it's a similar pattern you saw for donald trump, michelle

bachmann, rick perry himself who had basically a seven-week swing where he was at or near the top of the pack. we'll see how established i sus. i don't want to diminish how important it is. he's a little thin skinned. my job is not to be a cheerleadincheerleader for evere because they have an r behind their names. i get paid by fox news to call balls and strikes. what i said about him was that he had an opportunity here and he needed to exploit the opportunity by showing up in the early states. instead, he's doing things like he's in arkansas tonight. i said which really got his goat that look, everybody gets mulligans. he gets more mulligans than others because he's so passionate. he's a businessman. he's not a politician. he can say i don't know, but you take the laundry list of problems. we're going to negotiate with terrorist, the self inflicted wound on abortion. i don't know what the right of return is. >> i asked him about that last night. look. i'm a registered conservative in

new york where you can register as a conservative. i'll tell you what i'm looking for if this means anything to you because i'm also undecided, and i'm just not there because i don't need to be there, and the process having been through this a number of times is fas fascing to me because there's a lot of ups and downs and changing of positions. i want to see these guys when they're under fire. i'm looking for because i think conservative principles work for the country, the most conservative candidate that also can win and that means beat obama in a debate and beat him in the gentle election. do you see that candidate yet? have you gotten to the point yet where you have? >> no. first of all, i may be one step beyond you. i've decided i'm not going to make up my mind until i get to the texas primary because i'm focused on helping american crossroads raise a boat livelihood of money to defeat president obama. it's better to stay foax focusen that. i was talking to three or four people today in different parts of the country talking about

politics and crossroads and the presidential race. every one of them said the same thing, i'm not yet settled. i want to make certain whoever gets the nomination is cape aivel beating president obama. the longer they can look at them, better off they feel. >> is anybody in your mind out, for example. rick perry has just come out with his flat tax plan and his energy plan. he surged very quickly, he's gone down in large part i think because of his debate performances. can he bounce back, for example, in your view? >> sure. look. remember, we had john mccain here. he was at 14. >> good point. >> he jumps ahead of these guys. really, the conduct, how they conduct themselves in the next 68 days, it matters a great deal. >> can they come back, absolutely watch them closely. >> after every debate newt gingrich gains another point or two. the fox news poll this week has him at 12%. is an average that goes back a month. after every debate he goes up. do you think he could possibly

emerge as a challenger? >> no. >> what? >> absolutely. here's this. last friday night gretta asked me a similar question. he was the adult on the stage. he did an excellent debate performance. he looks like the most informed person about all of these issues which he is, and he's got an opportunity. >> next question. >> yeah. >> i'm not trying to cut you short but i'm trying to get everybody in. governor romney seems to be -- there seems to be questions in the conservative ranks whether or not a governor from a liberal state like massachusetts, is he the conservative that he sounds like on the campaign trail and in the debates, or se the guy that supported romney care and changed some positions in massachusetts? >> i think he's performed very well in the debates, but this is what i hear from a lot of conservative friends. >> he's gone a long way by reassuring people with his debate performances, but you put your finger on it. he's got the issue on what he

did with massachusetts health care to answer. the interesting thing to me is he's so stable in the polls and behind the scenes more and more people are saying he's my second choice. now, whether or not he's able to carry it across the finish line again depends upon the next 68 days and how he conducts himself. >> last question. rick santorum. i'm surprised. i think he's given a number of really good debate performances, michelle bachmann. i was surprised she dropped as much as she did so quickly. can they come back? where does ron paul stand in all of this? >> ron paul crowd has been basically talking to himself. they have got to reach outside their comfort zone of talking to other fellow libertarians and give a broader message. i'm not certain he can do that, particularly on foreign affairs. he has such a different opinion thathan the vast majority of republicans, that's going to be hard. bachmann and santorum are going to have to depend upon a high stakes game which is breaking through in iowa. there's the oal saw that you get

three tickets out of iowa. the top three winners in iowa get to move to the next round. they've got to be in the top three or maybe four depending how bunched up it is with so many candidates to get a ticket out of iowa onto the next parade, and they've got to try and break through in a way that either they do much better than somebody who is expected to do better than they are or they actually win the contest. >> all right. karl rove, good to see you. i love the white board. for christmas i'm going to buy you an ipad. >> look at that. i've got an ipad, man. what do you think? i like the one that moves around. >> we could use a little more high tech, although it's very russertish, if you will. >> next time, sean, i'll use my ipad and special program where i can turn it into a white board. >> you might as well use the white board, then. what's the difference? all right. karl rove, good to see you. welcome to the show. by the way, the year is 2011. don't be so critical of the true conservatives bleed and the

tested, tried and reliable. >> you don't write with a crayon, do you? >> sometimes. karl rove, thanks for being with us. now that he's stumbling in the polls, the president has plan to buy young voters as he looks to return to the old glory days of 2008. we'll tell you about the costly proposal he wants to institute without any congressional proposal. muslim students crying foul at a catholic university because the school has dared to place a crucifix and a picture of jesus in the classroom. how this private university is responding to the so called charge of human rights violations. you won't believe that and much more straight ahead.

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>> sean: members of team obama likely exchanged high fives today when it was revealed that the u.s. economy expanded in the third quarter with the gdp rising at an annual rate of two and a half percent. i bet the celebration ended when they considered that unemployment claims remained above the 400,000 mark last week and today's mixed economic news combined with the president's drop in the polls has at least one top strategist concerned about his party' party's chancen 2012. in a recent radio interview, james carville said he's worried about the general election because, quote, nobody's gotten elected with these kind of numbers. here with the reaction, bob justice and the co host of the

five. she deals with beckel every day. it's a wonderful show. >> it's great. he comes on this program on monday. he thinks he's on your show and he curses on this show. he cursed it up on your show. >> i have to give -- get him to behave. >> are you kicking him under the table? >> bob, you can't say that. >> first of all, i'm glad the stock market bounced back today. >> yep. >> but i think a lot of it has to do with what happened in europe which i don't think is going to last very long. i don't think these countries are going to continue to bail out greece, italy is next, spain and portugal are not far behind. >> 50% break is a big break for greece. >> 50 cents on the dollar. >> i don't know where it's going to go. i mean, kimberly is the brain as far as that end of it goes, but i don't see -- i see a lot of momentum towards good news in the next year. i think 2012 is going to be a lot of superficial good news. the headline opinion making, you'll see a headline, it's going to look good.

wow. that's good, but you don't read the article. if you read the article, you find out it's not what it seems to be. >> sean: the media wants to help get obama elected. they were the biggest campaign contributor in 2008. they'll be a bigger one this time. >> what are they going to do, shift the numbers? bottom line you've got 2.5% growth. okay. fine. overall you're looking at volatility in the market. it's up, it's down. we're encouraged when it goes up a bit. in terms of it being long lasting and having an impact, you haven't seen it chip away at the high unemployment. carville is right. when you combine obama's bad numbers, the disapproval rating, etc., you look at unemployment numbers, that's going to be very difficult to overcome. if the numbers change in time for his reelection, then i think he's got a chance, but otherwise, he's vulnerable on all sides. >> sean: look, the dollar falls toly against the yen, 2% against

the swiss franc. dr. doom predicted the last recession. he's saying a 50% chance of another recession in the u.s. and the uk. >> there's a "new york times" poll about how the unemployment -- about how those who are unemployment still have 54% of optimism. americans are optimistic people. that's one of our great strengths. that was the appeal of ronald reagan. he always called the best in us. >> you're a democrat. >> i am a reagan democrat. >> well, all right. so did you vote for obama? >> no. >> sean: why are you laughing? >> give him the truth serum. >> i vote conservative, and democrats haven't put up a conservative candidate for years. >> sean: why are you saying you're a democrat? >> on the air i talk about this all the time. the reality is that the party has been taken over by a kind of person, the kind of people that, for example, going back in history, j.f.k. wouldn't have recognized it.

in his inaugural speech, he said proud of our ancient heritage. >> sean: one other thing. >> that was the republican party that i grew up with. >> ask not what you can do for you but what you can do for your country. >> whatever. >> what's mine and what about the 99% or the 1% giving me. >> think about it. yes, as americans this is a great proud, a country proud. we can be restored to greatness. we're optimistic but we're nobody's fool. if these numbers don't improve, he doesn't deserve to stay in the job. >> well demonization might work? >> i think the mask is off. a lot of people were fooled in 2008. the numbers are changing across the board. people felt the love in 2008, quote unquote. now they're feeling the anger. >> he tried to buy off the students. what kind of trick-or-treating is that? save 4 bucks perhaps on average, maybe up to $7 a month.

it's a total sh charade. we've got a trillion dollars outstanding in student loan debt. >> increasingly occupy wall street across the country, look what happened in oakland, it's coming to symbolize the mask is off. >> you fight in a combat zone every day with beckel. >> good to see you guys. coming up next, media mash is back. first, muslim students complain that catholic symbols around a private campus of catholic university conflict with their religion, so is it a fight for the first amendment rights or frivolous charges by the left? we'll get to that and much more coming up straight ahead. [ ma announcer ] the cold aisle can overwhelming. [ coughs, sniffs ] especially when you're sick. now, with new simpler packaging, robitussin® makes it simple to get the right relief for your symptoms. new simpler packaging, same effective relief. robitussin®. relief made simple.

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>> sean: so is it a holy war being waged in our nation's capitol? muslim students are complaining that the catholic university is, well, too catholic. the official charges state that the school does not, quote, provide space as other universities do for the many daily prayers that muslims must make forcing them instead to find temporarily empty classrooms where they're often surrounded by catholic symbols which are incongres incongrous r

religion. a spokesman insisted that, quote, our faithfulness to our catholic tradition has made us a welcome home to students of other religious. no students have registered complaints about the exercise of their religions on our campus. we have not seen any legal filing and we'll respond to them if we do. the dc office of human rights is now investigating the charges, but is this what our nation has now come to, a private catholic university that doesn't have the right to be catholic any more? joining me with reaction from the american center for law and justice, and the independent muslim activist, the former director of the human rights department of the muslim american society freedom. let me start with you. this is a private college, catholic college. >> yes. >> they accept muslim students. they accept people of other faiths. >> they do. >> in their classrooms. they have a crucifix which

shouldn't surprise anybody. i went to catholic schools for 12 years. in their schools they have pictures of jesus. tell me what the problem here is. >> well, the issue really is the iconography. there are two questions. one is whether or not muslim students can be accommodated in terms of a place. >> accommodated at a catholic university, they're got to accommodate islam at a private catholic university. how about this? how about if they don't like the traditions of the school and the school is generous enough to let people in of our faiths, how about if you want to pray, close your eyes and pray, and if you want to pray to allah, pray to allah? >sean, it's not a question of the right of the university to be catholic. absolutely. it is the catholic university. the question are they reasonably accommodating to people. >> i'm going to saudi arabia tomorrow. i'm going to walk into a mosque

and say can i have a private room to put up a picture of jesus and a cross. will that work out for me in any muslim country? >> not too good. >> we're having a conversation about america. don't get it twisted. >> let's have a conversation about the constitution of the united states. there is no requirement in the constitution that compel a catholic university or any institution, for that matter, to change its doctrines, its practices or it's procedures and beliefs to accommodate a student of another faith. that would be like telling you shiba university in new york that might admit students from a variety of faiths that hey, we want you to take down the star of david on the doorway because we're offended by it during our prayer time. you know what the answer to that is? tough luck. don't go to school there. there's nothing in the constitution or in human rights laws that can compel a religious institution to change its mission or practices simply because a student disagrees. the answer is go some place else. >> sean: do they even have to

accept people that are not catholic at a private catholic institution? >> of course not. >> i don't think so. >> he asked me the question. they could actually say that you have to subscribe to a mission statement in order to attend our university which would be in compliance with catholic teaching and catholic doctrine. they have the right to say that. here what's basically happening, catholic university is being penalized by the muslim student groups because they're being compliant. they're actually allowing students -- yes, it is. >> absolutely not. >> give me a legal basis under the constitution where you can compel that university to take that crucifix down. tell me where it is. tell me where it is. where is the constitutional authority. >> i'm not arguing the constitution of the united states of america. what i'm simply saying is there is a better way and a more civil way and in fact, a more accommodating way for muslim students to be able to pray at catholic university as they do at georgetown.

as they do at boston college and other catholic institutions. >> sean: wait a minute. if the catholic institution is letting people of all faiths in, and it's a catholic institution, it seems to me that there ought to be -- there's accommodation there in and of itself. a private university. so if kids are that uncomfortable, go to another school. if you don't like a picture of jesus and a crucifix in a catholic school, don't go to the school. nobody's forcing you to go to the school. don't put the school in the position to change who they are to accommodate a faith that they don't even agree with. >> let me ask you this. would a muslim university -- you know. would a muslim -- a faith based university of the muslim faith allow if a jewish student groups were allowed to go there do you think the muslim university can be compelled to take down their

symbolism and put up a star of david? >> i don't think that's the issue. i think you're twisting the issue. >> that's exactly the issue, my friend. that is the issue. may i speak? >> wait a minute. >> sean: why not accommodate the jewish students at a muslim school? >> put up the star of david. why not? >> if jewish students wanted to worship in a space that required -- first of all, ther if studens want to worship. >> they want to put up a star of david. it's not going to interfere with anything. can those students group demand and compel a muslim based university to do that? >> i would argue that in a place of prayer that does not allow for the iconography of another religion it's perfectly okay to have that. what the muslim students want at catholic university is two things. a place to pray that doesn't have the icons. >> you know that the muslim university is not going to let the jewish students in. >> how do you know? >> i can assure you they're not

putting up a star of david. name one where they are. name me one where they are. >> there are no muslim universities in the united states that are not privately owned. >> name one outside the united states. >> cat catholic university is privately owned. you don't get to have two different rules here. that's not the way it works. >> thank you. >> sean: we're out of time. appreciate you being with us. coming up, media mash is back. this week we expose how the main stream media is trying to paint the wall street protesters as role models for our kids. our great, great, great american panel and much more coming up straight ahead. i couldn't concei this as a heart attack. the doctor leaned over and said to me, "you just beat the widow-maker." i was put on an aspirin, and it's part of my regimen now. [ male announcer ] be sure to talk to your doctor before you begin an aspirin regimen. go see your doctor now.

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>> sean: welcome back to hannity. time for media mash, our quickly round -- weekly rown up of all the way obama media put their

spin on the news. the president of the media research center, at one and only brother brent. how are you, sir? >> how are you doing, sean. >> doing good. so the networks, we'll use abc and nbc as an example. they cast the occupy wall street radicularadicals, by the way, as if a police crackdown. these guys are victims. they should be able to sleep where they want, when they want, have sex when they want, walk around topless when they want, and use drugs when they want. >> police use tear gas on the occupy wall street supporters in oakland. dozens were arrested. what's driving the rising tension? police clashing with anti-wall street protesters cracking down on hundreds of demonstrators who refused to give up their ground. on the street, it had the look

and feel of a war zone. >> sean: give up their ground? they don't own the park in new york. i guess it's part of the share the wealth mentality, you know. put up a tent. i own it. >> look at place like oakland. oakland is one of the most left wing cities in america. why are the police turning out against this rabble in one of those sees, because of reports of deaf indication in the parks, of sexual assault, of violence and open flames. how do these peaceful protesters respond to this? they respond with paint, with bottles, with rocks, with chemicals that they've been throwing at the police, and then nbc scratches its head and says we wonder why there are rising tensions. maybe because it's called a riot? >> sean: not only that, they looked so hard to find one sign or one person at a tea party

rally and they couldn't find them, so they just portrayed them in a way that was false anyway. there's been widespread anti-semitism expressed at these rallies, hardly peep from the media. the occupy radicals are giving american kids, if you listen to nbc news, a lesson. they're teaching our children about civil discourse. >> what's the civic lesson? as a parent, it's a huge civic lesson. what's important about this? i think you have to ask the questions what are they there for. what are the reasons behind this? i think the idea of having a civil discourse is important to teach our kids and it's something in history we've seen. >> sean: i can't even get a coherent answer from most of the them. this is it. the lesson for our children. we ought to take our kids.

classes ought to go on buses and hang out with them and sleep with them in the tents for a night. good luck. >> that's what you call when a left wing radical defecates in the park. that's what's going on, sean, a desperate attempt by the aging hihippies in the media to reliv the golden age of the 60s. turn down your crosby, stills, and nash teach your children music. i'll tell you one thing. my 14-year-old boy, where he's concerned, he's learning life lessons. he's learning to do just the opposite of what these punks are doing. >> sean: boy, you'll be in trouble for that. you called them pungs, you mean old conservative, you. the president was out there saying the republican plan is for dirtier air and dirtier water. biden is saying if you don't support the president's stimulus ii, they want rapes and murders

to go up. if you listen closely in the case of nbc news, you know, they're getting cheers for causing cruel pain. in other words, the g.o.p.. listen to this. >> here's a party that i just keep on the list. they want more people to fry. they love executions. they want people that don't have insurance to die on the gurney in the hospital bed. they want that to happen. they want to forget about illegal aliens. gay soldiers, forget about them. they're to be boo'd. if you're homeless, foreclose on the people. if you're a teacher, farmer, or a cop, get rid of the guy. i mean, this attitude of causing cruel pain on people and getting cheers for it. >> sean: i've go gotta throw up just hearing that. >> listen to those words. they want more people to fry. they love executions, and then

this world class hypocrite turns around and lectures and so does obama, lectures republicans on civil discourse, and how to behave civilly in public. this is what's been going on, sean. we've been saying it all year long. the left wing press can't get this guy reelected simply by going positive. they've got to go negative, and what they're doing is scorched earth character assassination against everybody. >> brent bozell, that's nbc news for you. brian williams must be proud. thanks for being with us. >> thank you. >> let not your heart be troubled. our great, great, great american panel is next. ♪

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>> sean: and tonight on our great, great american panel, he's the former governor of medical. bob ehrlich is back with us. he's a two-time emmy winning

actor. >> you were the governor. i didn't know who you were. >> i really didn't look. >> he's known for his work on cheers, murphy brown, and he fills in for howard stern. >> i have a regular radio show. >> sean: sorry about that. it's an honor. >> sure it is. >> are we on? >> by the way, i fill in or the anti-christ two weeks ago. >> he's the nicest guy in the world. >> sean: he's smart. he's known for talking about sex and antics, but he's as up on the issues as anybody. >> christie todd whitman got elected, right? >> sean: i'm still here. you shouldn't serve liquor in the green room, i can tell you that right now. >> i knew that he was the governor a long time ago. >> you guys are doing great.

>> somebody knows theirive ics. >> sean: you said before we came on the air this was not one of our topics. i asked what you guys want to talk about. you said you don't think the economy is affected by government. >> years and years ago i interviewed jimmy carter and we talked about why he lost. he said that certainly the helicopter crashes and all, so the economy -- i asked him how much the president and the congress affect the economy, and he says he doesn't think more than 10%. he goes businessmen have to make it happen. >> that may have been the problem with the carter presidency. >> i cannot believe that stuff happened under george bush, whether you want to blame it on him or not, doesn't make michigan difference, but the economy is run by businessmen. we were upset by what happened. regulations came in because of what happened with housing, and now they don't want any regulations. did they ever even kick in to stop these people from continuing on -- on what i consider was a bad debt.

>> government policy helped dictate. >> that's true. >> and also confidence affects the economy and people get their confidence from their leaders. all you have to do is look at the debt ceiling catastrophe and see that people's confidence was shattered and that's why we had a debt ceiling downgrade. >> the tax burden really helped define the business environment for small business people. >> i don't have to buy anything in the store any more. that really hurts retail. i can buy car on the internet. you can't even haggle at the automobile dealership. the book stores are going away. we've allowed nafta and jobs are all over the place. has that not hurt the american worker? >> sean: that's the argument obama made. kiosks. you get your airline ticket at an atm machine that were made in the 1980s. here's where i disagree with you, though. government forced banks because of this philosophy that every

american should have a home whether they can afford it or not, so they forced banks and financial institutions to lower their standards. >> right. >> sean: they lower their standards, they bundle the loans, they fire these things off, the country is sitting on a bubble, and we're bankrupt because government. >> there are regulations to protect against that at the time. as much as government can affect the economy, they can protect consumers from the economy. >> sean: i don't need barack obama or a congressman to protect me. >> i think we did need them to protect us. nobody was checking the documents. >> that's a good point. >> in my book coming out, a whole chapter on this. >> what's the name of the book. >> turn this car around. >> when is it on sale? >> i was on the banking committee in 1990. i saw these abuses. i saw the miss use of race an the community reinvestment act where banks were pressured into

making bad loans. there's a lot of fault to go around, believe me, but it was government, it was congress. >> i'm a licensed realtor in california. >> are you? >> in nevada and connecticut and louisiana, and i bought and sold real estate. i'll even say the company. i worked for cold welwell banke. they didn't allow stated income loans which i could say i made $500,000 when i made $35,000, so i don't think that all real estate companies did what a lot of people think. maybe that company did it in other cities but where i was, especially in sa santa barbara d louisiana, it wasn't allowed. >> sean: if the government takes on too much debt and they want to raise taxes, that's less money for the businesses you were talking about to go out and invest in new manufacturing plants and businesses. >> businesses have more cash than they've ever had since 1989. >1989. >> sean: they're afrait afraid a and big spending liberals will

take it. >> they're not so afraid they're giving themselves bonuses >> sean: listen. >> i bought everything i wanted to be honest. >> that's the problem. i bought everything in the '90s. i bought everything i could get my hands on. >> i have a harley. >> i have boats, cars, houses, i bought everything. >> go buy a plane. >> my brother has a plane. >> we bought into this phony deal about you can own a home, too. who started it? >> sean: it started under carter and it was doubled down on clinton. he doubled down on it. >> it just kept going. >> sean: bush tried to stop it. wasn't able to. >> a lot of people tried to stop it. >> can i ask you all a question? no regulations. you're going to sign this thing. you know you look at it and go boy, this isn't right and i'm going to end up paying $4 million but you signed it anyway, so what responsibility does the -- what responsibility

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>> sean: we're having a discussion off air. you raised the question about what's the difference between the occupy wall street movement and the tea party movement. >> can i say one is a tea party. the other is the chai tea party. [ laughter ] >> i just thought of that, so i thought i'd throw it out. >> my question is this. they're no demonstrating and not going anywhere. i know they're confused. >> a lot of them are confused. there are some spears people there, but there's a lot of diverse sort of wacky agendas at play there. >> okay. >> and the bottom line is this is a very progressive quote unquote with a very hard left agenda for the most part. the tea party showed up and said look, government is spending more money than they should. they're bankrupting our kids. stop it. it was one central message. they came together. they said please stop it and by the way, if you don't stop i it, we're going to elect a different congress. >> i think it's two sides of the

same coin. both groups are angry that wall street has gotten away with murder. >> there's an area they agree on. >> they have a different solution. one thinks government is the problem. one thinks government is the solution. most of the people in the country are fundamentally disturbed by the direction the country is going in. it's coming from the same place and starting from the income and equality, the place where people no longer think if i work hard, i'll be rewarded. >> that's the middle of the country right there. that's not these folks. >> sean: if they're these crazy left wing whacko kids, whatever age they are, my kids wouldn't stay that long. they would go for a day, hang out, get stoned, go back home. this is going on a month. >> sean: you're saying they're all out of work? >> i'm saying there's serious people there, but there's a lot of non-serious people there. i think we need to embrace the fact that they're like little kids, sometimes.

gosh darn it, i'm angry, there's problems, and i think the tea party, maybe they have a clearer picture but i think we must embrace that we have a problem. our spirits are down here. somebody needs to lift our spirits in the battle of the republicans and democrats is not helping our ego. >> how do you lift the country's spirits? >> it's a tough one. he got rid of 21 and and a half percent interest rates. >> reagan? >> he also allowed every immigrant in the world not to be an immigrant any more. >> sean: that's not true. he signed an amnesty law. >> he would not be elected now. >> sean: in 1984 he gave an amnesty bill. >> i know he's wonderful to you guys, but he would not be electable as a republican. >> sean: sure he would. >> you need to have a solution and an agenda. >> when he was governor, he changed. >> i'm sorry. i'm listening. >> thank you you. >> i feel like i'm on occupy wall street. nobody is listening. i want the group to have an

agenda. >> why are you here? >> you know, it's like really bad, dude, and i try to get answers from them. >> they need to organize and pick candidates and change some elections and get rid of people in congress if they're this upset. >> sean: if you ask the tea party, they want balanced budgets, repeal health care, they want us to live within our means, the country to eliminate its debt so we don't rob from future generations. that's coherent. >> they have an agenda. that's why it works. >> most of the young people, would you say it's mosle mostlyr 30? >> there's an older contingent. >> they're out of college, can't get jobs, they have degrees in literature or sociology or whatever. >> sean: instead of sharing the wealth, they complain when their mac is stolen. >> they want access to the american dream. >> sean: the tea party is older and has more time to think about what they want. if you tak