>> hello, everybody. welcome to a brand-new hour inside america's news headquarters. i'm rick folbaum. >> arthel: i'm arthel neville. new numbers show the economy growing slowly. how the crisis in greece could drag the u.s. economy down. >> rick: another arab country on the brink of revolution. >> arthel: after months with no leads, police in tennessee starting a new search for jackie waller, a missing mother of triplets. why cops think they could be one step closer to solving this case

>> rick: we start this brand-new hour with politics and a burst of action on the campaign trail. republican presidential contenders making their case in iowa at a dinner honoring the legacy of president reagan. but there were a couple of notable no shows at the event. herman cain and mitt romney skipping the event, leaving the spotlight and the stage for the five other gop hopefuls. molly henneberg is live in washington with the details. >> hi, rick. mitt romney and herman cain gave economic speeches in washington yesterday. so they did not attend the gop gala in iowa last night. but others addressed the likely caucus goers and spoke on some of the ways they would tackle the government's fiscal problems. >> cut taxes. take out the loopholes. cut the federal spending. balance the budget by 2020 by those spending cuts and pro-growth policy. and a balanced budget amendment. >> there is no need for us to

have the department of education. [ applause ] we spend hundreds of billions of dollars. the federal government has taken over and what have they given us? a poorer system. >> separately in their economic speech, romney and cain laid out some of their fiscal strategies. >> for each program that we have in the government, i've been looking at them one by one, i'm going to ask this question: is this program so critical, so essential that we should borrow money from china to pay for it? >> the chain philosophy is peace through strength and clarity. we must clarify who our friends are, clarify who our enemies are, and stop giving money to our enemies. >> tonight cain and newt gingrich will face off in a two-person debate in texas sponsored by tea partiers. one topic off limits, according to organizers, the sexual harassment allegations against

cain from the '90s that he's been dealing with this week. rick? >> rick: molly henneberg in washington. thanks. >> arthel: nearly two dozen people taken to the hospital after getting sick at a high school football game in houston. emergency medical crews rushing to the scene after 20 members of one school's band and dance teams began vomiting on the field. part of the stadium was evacuated, but nobody in the stands was sick. it may have been chemical related, but no word on exactly what caused the problem. >> rick: new deadly drug violence in mexico. gunmen opening fire on a group of volleyball players. at least eight people were killed. mexican military responding. no word on a motive. but the state is home to one of mexico's most powerful drug cartels. >> arthel: the economic turmoil far from over in europe. new protests in italy calling for the resignation of prime

minister berlusconi. italy is the second most indebted nation in europe behind greece where greece's prime minister narrowly survived a confidence vote. greg burke is following all the latest developments from rome. >> it was very important last night that george papandreou got through that confidence vote, but certainly the problems are not over for greece nor for europe. a new day, a new challenge for the greek prime minister, george papandreou, going to see the president of greece today in an effort to widen his government. the idea is to bring in a broader coalition that could make it easier to pass the tough cuts that are part of the bailout deal. it's unclear if papandreou will be the prime minister in that new government. probably he will not be as he's getting some major opposition. some people trial saying they don't want that government. they want new elections. now, greece is depending on a new installment of funds from the european union and the

international monetary fund if it wants to get its bills paid. that's why the vote last night was so important. that's why the coming days are so important. what's happened, greece has to be able to show stability. now, before last night, papandreou was saying that perhaps this is the country's last chance to get things in order. meanwhile, here in italy, left wing opposition, the democratic party, has taken to the streets today in a major demonstration against the sitting prime minister, berlusconi. italy is now being monitored by the international monetary fund. that is a bit of an embarrassment for one of the euro zone's biggest economy. berlusconi, however, says italy is fundamentally in good shape. and finally, it's interesting, a lot of similarities here between greece and italy. they both spent way too much money, money they don't have. the big difference, of course, that italy is so much bigger.

if it were to fail, the problems would be so much more grave for the rest of europe. >> arthel: you're right. very, very closely watching the next few days. greg burke reporting live from rome. thanks. >> rick: it's moving day for thousands of americans, but not the kind of move that require has big u haul. thousands of customers are turning their backs on big banks, moving their cash to smaller companies or credit unions instead. it's all part of the national bank transfer day campaign. for some people, it's a step in the right direction. julie banderas live in new york city are more on this. what's it all about? >> yeah. no surprise hidden fees, that's the step in the right direction for some 650,000 people, i would say. but probably a lot more at this point that bailed on their banks. their big banks, taking their money and putting it somewhere else, like the credit unions, like the small community banks you mentioned. that number totaled 4 1/2 billion dollars. will it make much of a dent on the titans like the jpmorgan

morgans and wells fargo? probably not. but it's a nationwide voice being loudly heard. this all started by a woman on facebook who also happened to be a former customer of bank of america, frustrated as are the hundreds of thousands of people after bank of america in late september decided they were going to try to tack on a 5-dollar debit card fee. they canceled that after outrage, disgruntled customers blaming the fee fort reason that they decided to back off. it's a straw that broke the camel's back, if you will, saying the credit unions are more in line with their value, they'll do a better job of getting americans working again. >> since the banks received bailout money, they continued to lay off employees at alarming rates. and by promoting growth in local communities, credit unions will be hiring additional employees. >> the big banks are keeping mum

on whether they have seen an uptick in account closures in recent weeks and not commenting on the movement against them, but each of the big six banks have canceled all planned debit card fees. again, not likely it's going to make much of a dent, however, the big titan, such as jpmorgan chase, they have 26 million checking accounts probably won't see that much harm. however, with these financial regulations that the banks are forced to pay by the government, most likely if it's not these debit card fee, it will be something else because the banks have to make up for that money that they eventually have to pay the government. back to you. >> rick: thanks. >> arthel: extreme weather center and you know it's cold when there is snow in the south. sedona, arizona, getting white highlights. it's gorgeous. this is after a storm on friday. half a foot of snow falling in just one night and by monday,

there could be even more. maria molina, meteorologist, live in the severe weather center, it's gorgeous, but is this a foreshadowing of what's to come this winter is this. >> yeah. it's going to be a rough go out west. good news for ski resorts. still early in the season and we're already getting significant snowfall out there. not just from this week, but the past several weeks. we've seen storms that have dumped over a foot of snow in some spots. that's good news for business. not good if you're doing traveling out here. some of the passes do get hit with several inches of snow. we have one storm system that did move across parts of montana and also parts of arizona. that already brought snow. there is still a few advisories and warnings issued out across this region and the second storm system that will be impacting california right now already, bringing in rain along the lower elevations and also snow across higher elevations, will be impacting the region over the next few days. ahead of the storm system, we do have wind advisories. winds gusting at times 20, 30,

40 miles per hour. they could reach 60 miles per hour at times. that's one concern. you can see that first storm system bringing in that snow from montana, to colorado and also that new storm impacting california that's going to head eastbound over the next several days. but further off to the east, eastern half of the country, looking good, high pressure from the northeast all the way down into florida. generally dry conditions for today and the next several days. current temperatures are very chilly out west with both of these storm systems. some of those temperatures in the 30s and that's what's really allowing that precipitation to fall as snow. as far as the future rate, the first one to the east will head into canada and then we'll have to watch this second storm system because by monday, it's going to be across central parts of the country and guys, we could be looking at our next severe outbreak into monday and also for tuesday. that's something we'll be watching very closely. >> arthel: too much, too soon. all right. thanks. >> rick: to the middle east now, and israel enforcing its

blockade of gaza. the israeli navy going on board two boats and towing them to port after the vessels ignored orders to turn around. no one was injured. security officials say the activists on the boats will be deported to their home countries. the israelis, protecting their ports, say it is their right to intercept the boats. >> a short while ago, the navy boarded the two vessels on their way to break the maritime security blockade, which we imposed on the gaza strip. we're talking about the very clear case of provocation, but we maintain our right to defend our borders. that's why we had to stop these vessels. >> rick: there were 27 actists from nine different countries, including the u.s. on board those vessels. >> arthel: five children are killed when their bus collides with a truck in argentina. the bus was carrying an elementary school soccer team to a game when the collision happened. three adults, including the bus driver, also died. police say the truck strayed off

the edge of the narrow road and hit the bus head on. >> rick: a disturbing report out of iran. government officials are trying to convince a jailed pastor to return to islam. he was arrested after he convert to do christianity. there's a picture of him on the screen. he faces the death penalty. the country's supreme leader is deciding whether the sentence should be carried out. the request to go back to islam may be a last-ditch effort to avoiding executing him. we'll keep you posted on that. >> arthel: critical remarks about afghanistan's government cast -- cost ago top commander his title. he was fired after apparently calling afghan leadership, quote, isolated from reality in an interview. the head of the u.s. force is in afghanistan says his comments do not represent the u.s.-afghan relationship as a whole. fuller had been serving as deputy commander of nato's-afghan training mission and scheduled to be removed from duty effective immediately.

>> rick: it's the most dangerous country in the world for mining accidents. but after spending almost two days underground, 45 miners in china have been pulled out alive. eight miners were killed after thursday's cave-in apparently caused by a small earthquake nearby. other miners had to dig a nearly 2,000-foot tunnel below the surface just to reach them. beijing using the incident as a reminder for vigilant workplace safety. >> arthel: arizona congresswoman gabrielle giffords now back in houston for a new round of intensive therapy. she just completed two weeks of treatment in north carolina. giffords is recovering from a brain injury she sufferedly nearly ten months ago when a gunman opened fire outside a tucson supermarket while giffords was meeting with some constituents there. six people were killed and 13 were wounded during the shooting rampage. >> rick: coming up, new unemployment numbers out showing less than stellar numbers. how america's economic recovery is threatened perhaps by the mess we're seeing over in europe.

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>> arthel: 17 after the hour. former heavyweight boxer champ joe frazier is seriously ill with liver cancer. the 67-year-old is now in hospice care and undergoing treatment. frazier's friends call his situation serious. jury deliberations underway in the involuntary manslaughter case against dr. conrad murray. the manual meeting all day friday behind closed doors. the 7 men and five women will resume the deliberations on monday. muslims around the world beginning their annual hajj pilgrimage to mecca. millions are expected to make the journey this year. >> rick: jobs numbers released yesterday showing a glimmer of hope for those out of work. the unemployment rate dropping ever so slightly to 9%. but the recovery is moving at a

snail's pace. barely putting a dent in the ranks of the unemployed. on top of this, the crisis in greece threatens to drag down our economy. here to break it down, patricia powell, founder and ceo of powell financial group. thanks for coming in. >> thanks. >> rick: why aren't more companies hiring? >> it's a slow economy. it's an anemic recovery from lots of points of view. when you drill down and start looking at the numbers, you can see some patterns to them. for instance, even though the overall rate is 9%, that's only 1.1 percentage point better than it was two years ago in october of 2009, when you drill down and look at it, you find that those people without a high school diploma are at 13.8%, whereas those people with a college degree, they're 4.4%. and the question is, when you start looking at how do those people who dropped out of high school ever get a good job?

they can't, if they're not going to do something about the skills level in the economy. >> rick: certainly there are a lot of qualified people out there with degrees and education who are still also having a hard time. i just wonder about these companies out there. tell me they don't have the cash. they have money. we've talked about corporate profits, you and i, and companies have the cash. they're just not spending it on people. why not? >> what you do when you have uncertainty is you hoard your resources. that's just logical, economic survival, it's how they got through this. what company survives is and what companies didn't is who cut to the bone and hoarded their resources. we have so much uncertainty and so many obstacles facing on. >> rick: i know, but this is america, patricia. what about the american way? these companies -- we have a history, a long history of companies wanting to be the best. you can't be the best if you don't invest in a work force and

get people making the stuff you want to sell. >> i don't disagree with you. but we have a lack luster recovery going on. and we have a group of people in washington that vacillate between interference and just outright obstacles for business for hiring. keep in mind that businesses have generated 2.3 million jobs. it's not enough. there were 8.8 million jobs lost in the contraction, but 2.3 million were created in private business. so when you start looking at some of the reasons for the uncertainty, you can look at obamacare, you can look at the cost and taxes that are coming in to place because of obamacare. you can look at the activist department of labor. i can't imagine any manufacturer considering opening up a new plant who is not looking at the boeing decision and saying, what should we really do? and be really concerned about making commitments when the department of labor can come in and say, no, no, you can't put a plant here. you've got to put it over there and you've got to hire union workers. you can't put it in a right to

work state. >> rick: this is a decision that boeing wanted to build a plant in south carolina. >> and committed many, many dollars to this and they're coming in johnny come lately and so -- >> rick: let's talk about the politics of this because republicans in congress and every republican who is running for the gop presidential nomination says that the sure fire way to get the economy going again is to cut taxes, to cut spending and to cut regulations. then you see the democrats, president obama and the democratic leadership in congress saying you cut taxes and you cut regulations, that's how we got into this mess in the first place. who is right? >> there is actually a little bit of truth on both sides of it. how do you get real job growth and genuine job growth? you have to grow the economy and there is three things that contribute significantly to growing the economy and getting that job growth. you need entrepreneurs, you need innovation and capital. if you are going to raise taxes,

you are taking one third of those components away and government will be deciding what they're going to do with it. it makes it that much hard tore create the next job. if you need to have any proof of what overregulation and overinvolvement of a government, go look at the europeans and in particular, look at greece. and you know, we still have to deal with the fact that there may be some contagion from what's going on in europe and it's not just greece. greece is just the first act. we've got the three other countries and the first act is really small compared to what's coming down the pike with italy. >> rick: let me bring you back to the u.s. for a final question. we have this supercommittee with a deadline looming and they've got to come up with cuts and you hear the democrats say, we need new revenue. we've got to raise taxes in order to meet that goal or else we're going to have major problems. is there a way for that committee and for the country as a whole to get to where we need to be without raising taxes?

>> absolutely. absolutely. you have to at least focus on -- first you grow your economy first and you cut where you can cut first. taxes should be the last thing you discuss. it's the first thing that keeps coming out of the current administration. for some reason, they have a real disconnect from what works economically and what they want to do. there is a distorted vision of economic reality where they think if they take money away from people, that the economy will be better and people will have more. it just doesn't work that way. >> rick: patricia powell, founder and ceo of powell financial group. i always like hearing what you have to say. thanks for coming in. >> i love being on with you. >> arthel: i enjoy hearing. my favorite story of the evening, a robber in los angeles getting more than he bargained for when he hit a hotel hosting a martial arts tournament. after holding autopsy teller, he was wrestled to the ground by two citizens, check it out. both were trained mixed marshall

artists. >> i went over around him, grabbed him, and then locked him up from behind, his hands, positioned them down. >> he was like, show me your hands, so i had his hands up, but i had to hold the bag also so the clerk reached in, pulled the gun out. >> arthel: okay. so once police arrived, the suspect was taken into custody without further incident. >> rick: of alt hotels in los angeles, this guy had to pick the one with all the karate and martial arts experts. in the lobby. they're waiting for him. >> arthel: talk about bad luck, right? oh, boy. >> rick: all right. when we come back, mixed signals from our nation's struggling housing market. more on the economy. the number of new foreclosures are falling. but experts warn it's not a sign of a housing recovery. we'll tell i couldn't they're saying that coming up next. congratulations. congralations. today, the city of charlotte can use verizon technology

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>> arthel: it is the bottom of the hour. time for the top of the news. violence south of the border, gunmen open fire on a group of volleyball players, killing eight people. it's not clear if the shooting is cartel related. >> rick: no end in sight for the political stand-off in greece. the prime minister there is trying to put together a temporary coalition government which would tackle the country's debt crisis. >> arthel: and a moderate sized earthquake hits oklahoma measuring 4.7 in magnitude. the epicenter was 50 miles east of oklahoma city. fortunately, no reports of injuries or major damage. >> rick: new figures on america's foreclosure crisis sending seriously mixed signals. the number of homes entering the foreclosure process finally starting to fall. the reason, banks are too reluctant to take back more homes with the market flooded with ones that can't sell. casey stegall is live in l.a. with more. casey, what do the numbers look

like? >> first of all, they can be a little deceptive. this isn't necessarily a sign that the market is improving, according to the experts. nevada, california, and arizona continue to be the highest foreclosure rates in the country. continue to have the highest foreclosure rates in the country, i should say. but overall, the number of the filings are down across the board. not just a small dip either. we're talking about a 38% decrease for the month of september compared to september of last year. but while the rates are down, something else is increasing. the amount of time it takes to complete the whole foreclosure process. on average, it's now about 336 days, an all-time high. experts say that is because the banks are overwhelmed. it's taking longer to file, and markets are saturated with these foreclosed properties. >> when you have a regulated supply, because there really is no demand. that's the key here today.

the issue is consumer confidence is very low and the level of demand is down. so whatever supply you put on to the market, when it's incorrectly priced, it's not going to get absorbed. >> the folk there is at realty trac.com that track all of this say it's difficult to pinpoint when the housing market will be out of the woods entirely, rick. >> rick: casey, could this be some good fuss for consumers out there? >> yeah, good news for someone who is behind in their mortgage payments, especially if they live in the southwest out here where again, the rates are the highest. also good news for people living in new york, new jersey, and florida because in those three states, foreclosures must go through the courts, bogging down the process even more. the average foreclosure takes more than 900 days to complete in new jersey and new york. and more than 700 in the sunshine state. so that is certainly buying

people time to catch up on their payments if they are behind, but on the other hand, this is not good for the financial institutions. in fact, they're losing massive amounts of cash with these loans that are in default. loans that they cannot get written off of their books just yet. rick? >> rick: casey stegall live in la. thanks. >> arthel: if you follow politics and i know you do, you know it's been a tough week for white house hopeful herman cain. a new poll shows accusations of sexual harassment just are not enough to throw the cain train off the tracks. 26% of likely voters supported cain in the latest rasmussen poll and with america's first primary a few months away, some are wondering what impact his continued momentum might have on the gop race for the white house. doug schoen is here, he's a former pollster for president clinton and a fox news contributor. and frank is the chairman of

gopac and organizations dedicated to electing republicans to state and local offices. good to see both of you. doug, i'm going to start with you. what do you think will be ultimately most harassing for the cain campaign, full, will it be the claims of sexual overtures or perhaps his inconsistencies? >> well, i think it's both. i think that the problem he has is that his story has changed. there are now three women who have come forward. the advantage that he's got is so far it's all anonymous sources making allegations that at least as far as the public record is concerned, are not specific. and yesterday the lawyer for one of the women, michael bennett, had said the woman might welcome forward. she didn't. so at this point, he's managing to get through it, but at the very least, the conversation has moved off the 9-9-9 plan to what herman cain did more -- did or

didn't do. >> arthel: i'm talking about some of the factual mistakes that mr. cain has made and then sort of backed up and backtracking and tried to correct. >> he's said he wasn't aware of the settlement and the settlements and agreement, but for most voters, what they want to know is what did he do, when did he do it? who did he do it to? the inconsistencies rivet the media. i don't think ordinary voters spend as much time on this stuff as frankly we all may. >> arthel: you know it's true. come on, frank, we know we love this stuff. but the everyday average person, they're dealing with their everyday lives. but frank, still none the less, it seems like cain is continuing to track support. how does he raise his stock? how does cain raise his stock with knows who already support him? >> i think he has come down a little bit from the highs. he was in the 30s at one point. he's especially come down in iowa. these accusations and so forth take a while to make themselves

through the body politic. especially somebody that's not as well-known as mr. cain is. all republican voters are looking for authenticity and credibility. they want to know if their candidate is going to be tough enough to run a very tough race against an incumbent president who is a very tough customer. so how he handles these accusations and whether he's able to right the ship, answer the questions and then get back on to other issues, that remains to be seen right now. we'll just have to wait ask see. >> arthel: how patient will the people be in terms of waiting and seeing, frank? >> i don't think very patient. he's already had a week and as doug properly said, his story has changed a couple of times. he really needs some sort of an event -- girl dean ferraro in 1984, lots of questions raised about her husband. she had a tell-all press conference and moved on.

same for bill clinton in 1992 when there were allegations of infidelity. went on "60 minutes." mr. cain has to do something like that and get back to washington. >> arthel: being all over the place? >> the problem is, doug said, his story changed. he needs one major interview where everything comes out and the story doesn't change and then he gets out of washington. get out of washington. go to iowa or new hampshire and start campaigning. >> arthel: he's campaigning in texas tonight. doug, i'm gog close with you on this one. none the less, regardless of how mr. cain's story may be changing, people are still supporting him. in your mind, does this say more about mr. cain or maybe less about the other gop contenders? >> i think it says something about the electorate and it says something about the degree of anger that people have and the failure of the other candidates to speak to the public mood, which is restive, frustrated and

looking for alternatives. herman cain is optimistic, he's inclusive and he offers an alternative. now, i don't think he's presidential. i'm not even sure he's running for president. but he has struck a popular cord and so far, he hasn't been derailed. >> arthel: doug schoen and frank, don't forget to set your watches back an hour tonight. we're here to serve you. see you guys later. >> thank you. >> rick: an investigator thinks they have a clue in the case of jackie waller, the mother of triplets who went missing back in june. why the cops think they could be closer to solving the case. we'll tell you. >> i know that we're not going to find her alive. but i want the kids to know where their mother is. i want them to be able to go to a spot and say, okay, mom is here. as it is now, all they can say is, my mom is missing.

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>> arthel: police may have a break in the search for a missing tennessee mother of triplets. jackie waller's vehicle was

found abandoned on the side of a road in june. investigators keeping tight lipped about the brand-new search, but won't go into details about how they were tipped off or what they found. they do believe these may be key pieces in the case. jackie's husband, clay waller, is considered a suspect. but has not been charged in his wife's disappearance. he is currently in jail facing federal charges for allegedly making threats over the internet against one of his wife's relatives. >> rick: i woke up and read andy rooney died just a month after his last appearance on the show "60 minutes." he was 92 years old. here is a look back at the life, the remarkable life of this legendary commentator and journalist. >> now a few minutes with andy rooney. >> he was known for his dry, sometimes humorous, sometimes serious and often controversial essays on the final segment of "60 minutes," a few minutes with

andy rooney. he was born andrew rooney on january 14, 1919 in albany, new york. he attended colgate university, but interrupted his studies after being drafted by the army in 1941. the following year, he began his journalism career as a reporter for the official army newspaper stars and stripes. but he nearly didn't go. it an interview with greta van susteren in 2003, he explained why. >> i had a professor in college who was a pacificist and convinced me i might have been a pacificist. i almost registered as con city council objector. >> he reported on some of the most pivotal events of the second world war, the harmony invasion, and the horrors of hitler's final solution when he watched u.s. forces liberate the concentration camp.

>> i was emotionally debilitating. there were scenes imbedded in my brain that i don't ever get over of dead people. >> he received the bronze star for his war reporting. after his army discharge in 1945, rooney went to hollywood where he co-wrote the screen play of the story of the stars and stripes for metro gold win mayer. as a freelance writer, he wrote articles for public laces, like reader's digest and life magazine. but his big break came in 1949 when he landed at cbs as a writer. yet rooney wanted to get back to journalism and focus his career on news and current affairs. after a brief hiatus from cbs, he returned to fill in for a debate segment on "60 minutes." >> one of the things we can be sure of over the -- >> his essays became so popular that a year later, the segment was given to him. his popularity gave rise to a

weekly syndicated newspaper column and two best selling books, adding to the other 14 books he had written. always considered by the viewing public as a bit of a occur emergencien, he was never scared to speak his mind. on more than one occasion, his comments got him in trouble. the most famous was being suspended for comments he made on same sex unions. >> too much alcohol, too much booze, drugs, homosexual unions, cigarettes. they were all known to lead quite often to premature death. >> after a public outcry and massive drop in ratings for "60 minutes," they reinstated him. in 2009, rooney lost his close friend, waller cronkite and while stricken with grief, rooney for once seemed at a loss for words. >> i just feel so terrible about walter's death that i can hardly say anything. he's been such a good friend over the years.

please excuse me. thank you. >> in october of 2011, after 33 years and 1097 essays, andy rooney signed off on "60 minutes" for the last time, telling viewers he has never seen himself as a tv personality, but as a writer with the duty of telling the truth as he viewed it. >> all this time i've been paid to say what is on my mind on television. you don't get any luckier in life than that. >> recently rooney attended a tribute dinner and roast held in his honor at his beloved alma mater, coal gate, university. he talked about his pride at being a newsman. >> i am very proud of -- it's a dumb word, journalism. but i am very proud to be a journalist first. i consider myself that.

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>> rick: welcome back on a brisk saturday night in new york city. with so many of us facing nickel and dime increases on just about everything we have to buy these days, some shoppers might think that warehouse stores are the solution. >> arthel: stores like costco,

sam's club, they offer discounts when you buy things in bulk. what kind of deals are customers really getting? >> rick: shop smart magazine unleashing mystery shoppers to find out and it's all part of their december issue. there is the cover. mandy walker is the senior project editor for "consumer reports" shop smart magazine. she joins us live. good to see you. >> good to be here. >> rick: you send out these secret shoppers? >> we have them all over the country. >> arthel: i love that. >> we have a waiting list. we send them to the warehouse stores, the supermarkets, like target and wal-mart. and we have them shop on-line to laces like amazon.com. >> arthel: if i go to the warehouse stores, how did i get the most bang for my buck? >> we bought 18 different items and 17 out of the 18 items the warehouse has the best price. sometimes 40, 50, 60% of the next best price. sometimes it's pennies. the one item is amazon with

advil. batteries is our biggest savings. batteries, we pay 63% at costco over the supermarket. >> arthel: this is good to know. >> kleenex was 43% at costco, over supermarket. >> rick: we have all the kids in my house. >> cheerio, 53%. costco and sam's club. you can join the warehouse club with a friend if this is too big a box for you. you can split the cost of membership and split up the big boxes. >> arthel: i didn't know that. if you do split that, do you both have to be present when you buy the items? >> no. you get your own card. >> rick: peanut butter? >> saved 33% at sam's and

costco. >> rick: coffee, starbucks brand? >> 33% less. 50% less on tin foil. >> arthel: i bought the this bulk thing at a costco, i had the thing for two years. talk about the membership, the cost versus the benefits. >> the cost can be from 40 to $55, 55 at costco, 40 at sam's club. b.j.'s is 50, i believe. they offer a lot of extra benefits, too, that i don't think people think about. >> rick: like what? >> eyeglasses. >> arthel: i've gotten eyeglasses. >> health exams, gas, a lot of times. tires at my local costco. and it's a great time to join now because you can buy all your holiday gifts there. you get great deals on clothing, electronic, books, dvds. now could be a really good time to sign up. >> rick: i've always thought that a lot of these stores try to get you to buy in bulk and there really isn't a savings. they get you all jazzed up about

being 43 rolls of toilet paper, but at the end of the day, you're really not saving that much money. >> really we found a lot of times you do. some items we if only saved a few pennies. cat food, soda, some detergent. but if you're saving pennies over the year, it could add up. if you're saving a lot on the other items. >> rick: did you figure out how much shopping you had to do in order to get the savings? >> not a lot, if you're saving 50 and 60% on a lot of items, it won't take you that long at all. with the membership it won't take you that long at all if you split it. it depends on how often you shop (what if you're single and it's only you, is it worth it? >> then you might do better with -- maybe paper goods, then you might want to think about joining with somebody else. >> rick: or if you live in a city and an apartment and you don't have room.

>> maybe split it four ways. >> arthel: thank you very much. >> rick: thank you. speaking of batteries, let me grab these. i'd like to remind people when we change the clocks, which we do before we get to bed tonight, it's a good time to change the batteries in the smoke alarms and carbon monoxide detectors. if you do it twice a year, the batteries will always be good. >> arthel: that's it for us. again, it's daylight savings time, an extra hour of sleep. turn your clocks back one hour before bed. don't go anywhere because harris faulkner is coming up next with a fox report. >> rick: good night, everybody. fore!

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