>> gretchen: former navy sea tells the true story of how he understands it all happened to take down bin laden. that will be tomorrow. don't miss "fox & friends." >> steve: plus the girls from deal or no deal. we'll see you tomorrow. >> brian: all of them? >> steve: all of them. bill: all right, on a monday morning, hope you had great weekend, everybody! good morning, 364 days until voters decide if president obama gets a second term. which one of the candidates has the best chance of beating him? there are brand new polls numbers we'll show new a minute here. goodgood morning, i'm bill hemmer. welcome to "america's newsroom". martha: good morning, bill hemmer! fall is back, good morning, everybody. we're so glad you're with us this morning. according to the latest abc news-"washington post" poll, the answer to the question who would win is mitt romney, look at this, 33 percent say he is the most elect believe, basically saying they think he has the best shot at beating the incumbent president obama. bill: have a listen to ed

rolleins, saying a lot can happen. i mean, a lot! in the next 12 months. >> there's a year to go, there's less than 60 days to go before the iowa caucus, so a week is a lifetime in politics, a month even more so and a year is an eternity. bill: let's enter the eternity, editor of campaign and elections magazine, good morning shane and welcome back here to "america's newsroom". i think these numbers give us a slice of what republicans and republican leaning voters are thinking, the first poll, what does it suggest to you? >> yeah, i think it does go right to that electibility issue, bill, in the absence of a republican field, the gop primary voters have really fallen in love with to this point, you know, they're looking to the person who they think can best beat barack obama in a general election. and right now, that man is mitt romney. you know, he has sort of survived at the top of these poll phos months now by being the candidate who's emerged from a lot of

debates sort of unscathed, and his opponents have not really been able to lay a finger on him. so i think that counts for something right now with republican voters, even if they don't love mitt romney. bill: same poll, i think this may account for something as well, which candidate best understands the problems of people like you, in this case, herman cain is on top, beats romney by four points, shane. >> i think it goes directly to why herman cain rose in the polls to begin with, why he has so much appeal among the base of the republican party. there are a lot of voters who are looking for somebody who is very much not of washington, for somebody who does not speak like a politician. in herman cain versus mitt romney, that absolutely is herman cain. mitt romney speaks much more like a politician, he's much more polished, and i think there's a quality that herman cain does have that a lot of republican primary voters are looking forbes a lot of voteners general are looking for, so i think that's the reason for those

numbers. bill: you know the jobs issue will be number one as it relates to this economy. herman cain's background is inis business, so, too is mitt romney. this is what "the washington post" poll found, romney, 22 percent, came right behind him at 19 percent, three points separates the two. >> yeah, i think that what herman cain is going to have to do if he wants to vet romney on this score is make a better case about his experience and how it would relate to how he would perform in the white house. i think mitt romney has made a better case on that score and think that's why he leads on this economy question. romney has laid out his experience, you know, in the business sector. i think a lot better than cain has to this point and cain has not necessarily connected to some of his economic plans as well as i think romney has, so he's got to catch up a little on that. and the economy is number one. bill: you heard ed rolleins, right? it's an eternity uk next one -- eternity, the next 12 months.

thank you, shane, out of washington. martha: meanwhile herman cain and newt gingrich squaring off in a two person debate over the weekend but it was the questions asked that really got herman cain going. take a look at this. >> don't even go there. >> can i ask my question? >> no. we are getting back on message, end of story. back on message. read all of the other accounts. read all of the other accounts, everything has been answered, end of story. we're getting back on message, okay? >> martha: all right, a much calmer herman cain responding to those allegations last night, nearly a week after they broke, declaring on geraldo at large that this campaign will not be curtailed by this controversy. >> i am in it to win it, and as far as we're concerned, these allegations aren't going anywhere. i mean, people might make up some more stuff. we're in it to win it. and here's one other thing. last week, in the middle of this firestorm, we have had the best fundraising week in

the history of this campaign the american people are sick of gutter politics. and i think that that's what that says. and it has been encouraging to me, my entire staff, and this entire campaign, because the american people saw through this. they saw through this hit job, and that emboldens us, that encourages us to continue on message and to continue this campaign the way we've been running it. martha: all right. well, cain also adding that his wife gloria took the news of the alleged misconduct, quote, harder than he took it himself. that is often the situation, tough on the families. bill: in the meantime ron paul, taking the top spot in another straw poll this, time in the state of illinois, paul checked in at 52 percent of the vote, beating herman cain handily, and telling fox news sunday's chris wallace, while the media may not be ready to declare him a frontrunner ron paul says the votest just might. >> how do you go from being a respectable third to actually winning?

>> the one thing is, it's not by changing my message, because i've had a message that's been the same. bill: paul also saying if he does not win the republican nomination, he will not make a run as an independent candidate because he, quote, doesn't want to. how about that? >> march what better reason than that, all right? well, back to our lead story, presidential candidate jon huntsman weighing in on whether mitt romney is, indeed, quote, electable. watch this. >> i think there is an issue on the flipflops as it relates to trust. i don't know that he can go on to beat president obama given his record. i mean, when there is a question about whether you're running for the white house or running for the waffle house, you've got a problem with the american people. martha: runs for the waffle house, that's novel. despite the criticisms, the governor said he would, in fact, endorse romney if indeed he were to win the republican nomination. there are some shocking details unfolding in a sex abuse scandal at penn state

university. former defense coordinator san sandusky accused of sexually assaulting young boys he met through a charity he founded, now two school administrators are headed to court, charged with covering up those allegations. a hearing is set for today in harrisburg, pennsylvania. sandusky once considered the heir apparent to coach joe paterno, sandusky's client says his client is reeling reelg from these charges. >> jerry is very upset, very distraught about the charges, the allegations, and the knowledge that regard whrs of -- whether his guilt or innocence people are going to think he did this. martha: we'll have more on this story. david, who are the school administrators and what were they charged in connection with all of this? >> we might start with this, martha. they are now former school administrators. both of these men a few short hours ago saying they are going to be stepping

down, one, 57-year-old tim kerley, athletic director, he is going to be on administrativeo administrative leave to deal with his defense, the other, gary shut, interim vice president, he had previously resigned, interim vice president for finance and business, he is now also stepping down. both of these men presumably saying that they did nothing wrong. both of them appeared before the grand jury, this was the grand jury investigating jerry sandusky accused of 40 different accounts related to sexual abuse, they are accused of perjury and failing to report sexual abuse. very quickly, i will tell you that they told the grand jury such things as they believed the allegations amounted to nothing more than horsing around and that the allegations were in the words of one of the defendants not that serious. very quickly, also, to be added here, joe paterno has not been named in any criminal matter nor is he expected to be named. prosecutors say that he was

very cooperative throughout the process. he did appear before the grand jury. he issued a statement, let's bring it up full screen, i will read part of it to you now, it says, quote, if true, the nature and amount of charges made are very shock to go me and all penn staters, while i did what i was supposed to do with the one charge brought to my attention, like anyone else involved, i can't help but be saddened. these matters are alleged to have occurred, and martha, the president of penn state is saying that as for the two men who are going to be arraigned in the building behind me in the next few hours, he believes will ultimately be exonerated. martha. martha: boy, so jerry sandusky is the person at the heart of this scandal, david lee. are we going to see him in the courtroom today? >> reporter: highly unlikely we are going to see jerry sandusky now or any time soon until there is another legal proceeding. he is charged as i said with 40 different counties, 21 felonies, 19 misdemeanors

involving as many as eight young boys. he is now free on $100,000, unsecured bail. many of those around him, though, martha, maintain that there's no way he could have done the crimes of which he is accused. listen now to one of his former colleagues: >> until i hear it from his mouth, i don't believe it. there's nothing that i've ever seen that would lead me to believe that he would do anything of this nature. >> reporter: and sandusky if convicted of these charges faces the possibility of at much as life behind bars. martha. martha: thank you very much, david lee miller. bill: that story exploded over the weekend, right, in every way. those are just some of the stories we're watching on a monday morning. also this coming up. a major fight over a big waiver in a significant battle ground state. voters are go to the poll necessary a union vote that could have a national ripple effect. we'll tell you about that. martha: lous the house panel handing the president a

subpoena over the solyndra issue but the white house says it goes too far. does it? >> bill: the former first lady laura bush is live here with us on a cause that is very close to her heart. >> and saw laura, gave a big hug, and we didn't say a lot. the hug did it. the hug was all that was necessary.

martha: a major california highway is closed after yesterday. they did a are you tin water -- routine water test that resulted in some kind of explosion and a huge chunk of a high pressure flien woodside blew up, essentially created -- created a landslide, a mudslide. this is a disastrous situation. it all kind of rolled down the hill into the interstate. yesterday's pipeline test is part of an increased safety check in place after a blast in 2010 at a similar pipeline. bull bill all right. now, republican lawmakers handing the white house a subpoena for documents related to the solyndra

matter. the obama administration, though, pushing back late on friday, the white house counsel said this: such curiosity is not a sufficient justification for encroaching on long standing and important executive branch confidentiality interests, particularly when none of the more than 85,000 pages of documents produced to date evidence any favoritism to political supporters or wrongdoing by the white house. that last point is very important. louisiana congressman steve scalese is on the committee that voted to issue the subpoenas. welcome back to you, sir. >> good morning. bill: your reaction to the white house. they say you overreached. sorry, overbroad and unnecessary. >> you know, bill, the obama administration has had a history of obstructing in this solyndra scandal, from the very beginning, when we tried to get basic documents between the various agencies that approved this loan, they wouldn't give us the documents originally, we had to subpoena those from department of energy and

omb, but once we got those document it is showed a whole lot of things that were highly questionable, the fact that some agencies were actually saying they didn't think that they should have approved the loan, but of course we also found communications with the white house, and the white house jumped in and started fast tracking this loan and said basically give it to them anyway because the vice president is going to be participating in that a ground breaking, so they were concerned about a photo op. in the meantime, the taxpayers have lost over $500 million in this scandal, so we're trying to get the facts. we know that there are communications within the white house and all we've said is look, have that transparency that president obama promised, give us the documents between the white house regarding solyndra. only regarding solyndra, and they still refuse to do that bill: i know a lot of committee members on the republican side say the documents handed over were huffily redacted and they dealt with minor proints -- points, not major points, and the major point is this, the question whether or not they restructured this loan

to pay back the investors before the taxpayer. that's what you're trying -- trying to figure out, right, did political favoritism have a role here. >> it's a key point. from automobiles of us that have read the law it's clear the federal government doesn't have the authority to subordinate the taxpayer, meaning putting them in the back of the line and allowing a private company to come and get the ability for the $75 million that's at stake. so we've actually got e-mails from the u.s. treasury department where they -- we were questioning whether or not it was legal for the department of energy to subordinate the taxpayer, so of course we want to see what the white house's involvement was. i and the committee asked the head of the loan program a few months ago to give me all the information regarding who at the white house knew about this subordination to the taxpayer. he wouldn't give that information to me. so we're subpoena -- subpoenaing the information because frankly, the american people want to know what happened to almost half a billion dollars. money that's lost. bill here's what i'm trying to figure out. i'm trying to figure out who

makes the next move in this story. so the white house has this position. do you issue another subpoena, or who makes the next move here? >> the subpoena has been issued. one way or another, we're going to get the information. the question is what does the white house have to hide. why are they so aggressively fighting and obstructing this investigation, which has yielded a whole lot of questions that the american taxpayer -- >> bill: but what if the white house declares executive privilege? that would then prevent you from getting the information you say you will get eventually. >> well, historically, executive privilege is the route that the white house has to say look, these specific things, we don't want to give you and of course those get solved in a legal process. they didn't do that. they chose not to exert executive privilege. they said we're not giving you the information that you're asking for. so they don't get to choose what they're going to give us and what they're not because frankly there's an investigation going on and we're going to get the facts. bill: i have ten seconds to go and you say you'll get the answers in the end. >> we're going to get the facts and try to figure out

what happened to over half a billion dollars of taxpayer money this administration has blown. bill steve scalise, thank you for your time. martha. martha: unemployment is hitting millions of americans, very hard, as we all know. but who is bearing the brunt of that pain? some new numbers out today may surprise you. >> bill: and aftershocks continue, rattling frayed nerves in the state of oklahoma. wow! the latest on this the damage, and now folks are dealing with all the shaking going on. >> it started rumbling, and we were hanging on to the dresser, because we felt like we were going to fall. and it was a long one. it just went on and on and on.

bill: here we are at 22 minutes past the hour now.

u.s. stocks should open flat amid concerns that italy, not just greece, but italy, could gawlt been -- default on its own debt. trading ghins a few moments now in lower manhattan. more than a week after the snowstorm slammed the northeast, there are 60,000 customers without power in connecticut, a week later, and they are none too happy. >> this is unbelievable, i've never seen anything like it. in florida, we had category 4-rbgs five hurricane, i never went this long without power. bill that interview done in the dark, the ceo of connecticut light & pau apologizes for not having power restored. i bet he apologizes. lindsey lohan sentenced for 30 days, but reduced to a few hours thanks to california's overcrowded jail. lohan was released five hours later. that revolving door continues to spin for her. martha: well, oklahoma getting rocked by the strongest earthquake in state history this weekend, the 5.6 magnitude quake hit

45 miles from the state capitol, homes and buildings were shaken to the core, a highway even buckled from the tremor, but for one family in particular, the damage was especially severe. >> this home here is the epicenter of the earthquake, the chimney collapsed, it came through the ceiling in the living room. there's pretty substantial damage to this home. >> my nice clean kitchen that was cleaned yesterday no longer is clean. >> i'm 71 years old, and i beat the dust out the door! it will happen again, and i don't feel comfortable about today and tonight and the next few days, because there's rumbling. martha: boy, so some 14 aftershocks have been recorded since that saturday quake. rick leventhal is live in new york city with more. how unusual is this in this area? >> oklahoma used to get about 50 minor earthquakes a year but last year, the state was shaken more than 1000 times, and the jolt this weekend was the biggest

yet. a local tv anchor was just beginning his newscast when the studio started moving. take a look: >> having an earthquake right now, our lights are shaking quite a bit. it's now calming down as another earthquake has just hit. i still hear a few lights rattling here in our studio. and we will -- we still have -- if you can see the duratran, i don't know if you can see it behind us, it's still shaking here in oklahoma city. >> reporter: how about that? the 5.6 centered near spark, oklahoma, felt in several neighboring states as well, also rocked boone pickens stadium where the number three cowboys had beaten 17, kansas state, 59,000 fans were filing out when the ground started moving, the press box, also a bit rattled during the post-game but no one was fortunately hurt. martha: what about the damage there? >> you mentioned the road that crumbled, the stretch between oklahoma city and

the arkansas state line, there was also structural damage. you may have seen it earlier. that tower that collapsed, part of the administration building at saint gregory's university, also homeowners reporting chimneys down and minor stuff like cookie jars crashing to the floor, pictures falling off the walls. you see that house got it pretty bad. the serious part may have been just how long the trem bling went on. >> it started rumbling, and we were hanging on to the dresser, because we felt like we were going to fall. and it was a long run. it -- a long one. it just went on and on and on, and i kept thinking it's going to be over. >> seismologists say they can't explain the spike in oart quakes but some blame fracking, the drill fog natural gas. there have been hundreds of injection wells drilled deep into the ground in arkansas and oklahoma but gas companies say there is no evidence connecting the two. bill: quite a shocker over the weekend, the earth

moving and the after effects keep going and going. martha: incredible. we had an earthquake on the east coast, hurricane irene. makes you wonder, right? >> bill: not supposed to happen that way, right? >> martha: what's going on out there. bill: we have a union in ohio undergoing a critical vote in that battle ground state. what's on the line and how it could affect so many other states. we're on that story. martha: let's go big or go home. that is the bold message from some lawmakers urging the supercommittee to find a real solution to the nation's debt problem. what a good idea that would be, right? what happens if this panel does not meet that looming deadline? flur flur

bill: 9:31 in new york. watch the vote tomorrow. there will be a vote tomorrow in ohio that the rest of the country is watching, voters being asked to decide if a new controversial collective bargaining law affecting public workers throughout the state, whether or not that law stands, whether or not it could be overturned. john fund is senior editor for american spectator, he's live in north carolina today, back on the road, john, gand morning to gliew thank you. bill: now, this is issue number two. it's called senate bill five. what's on the line there in this? >> well, this is partly a repeat of the kind of debate you saw in wisconsin about union privileges and union rights. and what the ohio saw passed by the legislature did is it said look, you can't force

members of the union to pay dues unless they voluntarily give them up, and also, collective bargaining rights, a whole range of things that are automatically negotiated into a contract like pensions and health benefits, those will be subject to negotiation. and the unions, of course, are very upset by this, so they put this mesh usual on the ballot tomorrow and it's going to be very, very hotly contested, because if the unions win, this will give them a lot of wind in their sails because they lost the wisconsin battle. bill let me get to that point in a moment. you had wisconsin, you had indiana a few years back, you had new jersey. we've all watched these union votes transform the way this state runs. now, the unions are in there in a big way, the white house is watching this in a significant way. if it is overturned, john casick is the republican governor, he pushed for it last spring and got it through the state house there in columbus, ohio. if it is overturned what's the impact for the budget in

this state? >> we saw in indiana when mitch daniels ended these kind of union privileges, it enabled local governments to have all kinds of flexibility. by the way it turned out that so many union employees in wisconsin were obviously not pleased with the amount of union dues they were paying, several hundred dollars a year, only 5 percent of indiana employees belong to the union and pay dues. now n. ohio, local governments are hurting, tax revenue is down and they're facing massive layoffs of policemen, school teachers and firemen. what is was designed to do was give the flexibility to renegotiate soaring health and pngs benefits and we saw that in lancaster, ohio, they shut down the fire station, they fired 13 firefighters, and that's because the law has been froze then place based on this referendum and they don't have the flexibility to say okay, if you take a cut here and here, we won't have to close the fire station. bill kasick has argued you

can save jobs if you enact it. we'll see how it goes tomorrow. there's another big vote in ohio, and it's coming back to this maj battle ground. again, this is a referendum on the president's health care overhaul. there is a proposed constitutional amendment on the state books, it's called issue three, it aims to stop forced participation in the health care system. now, how does that reflect on ohio and how it could or could not opt out of the health care overhaul? >> well, these measures which attack the heart of omabacare, the individual mandate, have already passed in states like arizona and missouri. but ohio is a big swing state. it's crucial to the presidential election. if this passes, it not only will be rebuked to omabacare but come at a very -- in a very important swing state and it's likely the supreme court will address this, whether or not the individual mandate is constitutional and that decision if it's made will be coming down in june, so all this plays into presidential politics because omabacare is the

centerpiece of the domestic achievements and unfortunately for him it's down to 34 percent approval in the latest kaiser foundation poll. bill: all right, so if it passes then the supreme court could have a crack at this, anyway, whether it's ohio or the -- or arizona, as you're suggesting. >> the supreme court is going to rule regardless of how these states rule. but the states do influence the political climate in which the supreme court operates. and they certainly indicate that if it passes, omabacare is still not gaining any traction. bill: so watch issue two and issue three in ohio. it will be a fascinating voteotomy. one is on the unions, one is on health care. john fund, thank you for your time, out of south carolina. >> thank you. bill: go to foxnews.com/ "america's newsroom", click on the bya box and leave a question about this or something moving in -- moving in your own state, shoot me an e-mail, hemmer, but you asked, bya, coming up on there. big day tomorrow. martha: you have folded that

closely. bill: a big way. we'll see how it goes. martha: it is home for the holidays for national guard troops in maryland, members got home a month earlier than expected. it was a really nice surprise as you can see for those folks. >> very much so glad he's home! we've been wait sog long. >> you're happy, too! >> yes i am! >> she's two. i've been gone for half her life. so a little bit of adjustment, probably, there. >> i'm excited to get my hands dirty all over again, back into the role of mom and kind of give him a break a little bit. martha: how nice. boy, what a great story and our best to all those families, the troops' early arrival comes as the first wave of u.s. forces beginning to pull out of iraq and as the president promised they would be home for christmas and we're starting to see the beginning of that. bill: i like carr men's attitude, i'm home, ready to get my hands dirty. martha: i like that

attitude, too. ready to go to work. bill: in a moment here, is president obama pitting americans against one another? that question was asked over the weekend. a leading republican says yes. and john boehner is also accusing the president of doing other things while he says their relationship at times has been frosty, we could say. martha: all right, and this is also coming up, former first lady laura bush is here to talk about a huge honor that she received last night, and also, a little bit, we'll talk about her life after the white house, including a very emotional recent look back at september 11th. >> so a day that began in florida with a jog ended with laura, me, barney and spot, trudging back upstairs to get in our own bed and finally get some rest.

martha: last night here in new york city, mrs. laura bush received a prestigious

honor from malaria no more. so much has been accomplished on this front, and the goal is to completely eradicate malaria as a disease in africa by 2015. it's a huge goal, but they're getting there. to talk about that, and also a little bit about life after the white house, we are so happy to have mrs. bush with us this morning. good morning! >> good morning, so nice to see you martha, thank you for having me. martha: i was so struck last night at this dinner. what was said about you and your family is that you are the most loved and revered family outside of africa, so the people of africa, because of everything you've done there and in many ways it is one of the -- it is one of the untold stories of the bush administration, how dedicated you and your husband and daughters have been to malaria. >> i think it was really important, because it's a national security issue, for one thing. george believes that there

is hopelessness, and of course, there is nothing more hopeless than a mother having to ambassadory her baby because her baby died of a disease that's totally preventable. we eradicated ma layer in in the united states, we used to have malaria here, in st. louis, on the mississippi, in new orleans, in washington, and we know it can be done, and so -- and then also, because we had the capacity as a country to help people with malaria, so we had that malaria summit in 2006 and malaria no more was founded then, and now they have five years of both getting the word out to make sure everybody sleeps under a mosquito net at night, which of course is when the mosquitoes bite, and then there are a lot of medications for malaria that we are making sure people can take if they get sick with malaria. and deaths are down. martha: you pointed out last night, deaths are down

considerably, at least 20 percent. >> that's right. martha: but you said the fight is far from over and a child dies every 45 seconds in africa. >> it's terrible. martha: so the work you've done is tremendous and your daughters have gotten involved, they were there with so many global issues and there's a picture, i think we have one up now of the three of you, you may not have seen this from last night, but everyone looked beautiful and was having a great time and you're also, because of the pink ribbon, red ribbon, you're glamorous women of the year. >> we won the generations award from glamour and that's tonight which will be a really fun dinner. it's terrific to have the opportunity to do things with barbara and jenna. so i love coming here to new york and getting to do things with them. they both really have taken their interests that they got from traveling with us to africa. barbara has founded global health corps, which is sort of based on the idea of teach for america, but in this case, to recruit young, smart college graduates to work in the health field, an

jenna as you know wrote anna's story, the book about the aids orthan that she met in central america. so they both are continuing to work on global health issues, as well as many other things. martha: so you all are thriving. >> we're thriving. >> and life after the white house, the president as well, how is he doing? >> he's doing great, we both are. he just hosted the warrior open, the w. open, a golf tournament at las colinas. martha: and bill hemmer and others were very jealous. >> it's an annual golf tournament for wounded warriors, and last spring, he did this, the bike ride across the big ben with wounded warriors, so we'll both continue to -- he will especially, to work with our veterans. martha: so one of the things that we sort of didn't see, your family in the liable light too much, until september 11th, when there were, you know, just a wonderful sort of nationwide

remembrances of that incredible day which of course was so significant in all of our lives and in your lives, of course, and i was so struck by the president's speech at shanksville, i thought it was so stirring and moving and genuine, and i just want to play a little piece of that and get your thoughts on what that day was like for all of you. >> the 40 souls that perished on the plane left a great deal behind. they left spouses and children and grandchildren who miss them dearly. they left successful businesses and promised careers and a lifetime of dreams they will never have a chance to fulfill. they left something else, a legacy of bravery and selflessness that will always inspire america. martha: what was that like that day for you? >> well, very moving. i had been to shanksville, just a few days after september 11th, september 17th, i went for their memorial service, and of course, we met with those families, many times.

and that group, that plane, flight 93, was the plane that was brought down by the passengers, they had started to get the reports from their loved ones, and they called their loved ones and said i love you and let's roll, as you remember, and they saved i think probably the united states capitol. and we can imagine how destructive that would have been if our capitol had been hit along with the world trade center and the pentagon and how horrible that would be. i think, you know, it's been ten years, that was the tenth anniversary, where george spoke at shanksville, and then when we came here the very next day for the memorial service here at ground zero, and it seems not that long ago, i think, because we've relived those days, so often. the days around it seem ten years ago, longer ago, but the actual day itself, i think it's one we'll never forget. martha: you also had an opportunity to go to ground zero with president obama and mrs. obama, and you

know, that was a beautiful moment to watch all of you down there. >> uh-huh. martha: to be there with them. do you keep in touch at all, is there any correspondence, or does mrs. obama call you and ask you for -- you know, she's be there for a while, several years now, too. >> not really, but of course she knows she could call me and ask me anything and i could call her if i wanted to chat with her or talk about some issue i was working on. martha: there's been so much looking back, with all of these books that came out, rumsfeld, cheney, condoleezza rice has a new book out and it does create sort of a real tension that emerges that was in the white house during those years, with the war in iraq and everything. does it -- did it feel like that to you? >> it really did. i didn't -- i often said that when i got home, after we moved home, that i realized how stressed i had been when i lived there. just because i wasn't stressed anymore. but at the time, no, it didn't. i mean, you know, we lived at the white house at very,

very consequential times for our country, and i was always aware of our vulnerability, and i think september 11th shocked everyone, the idea that we could be attacked, and of course, george spent every year, every minute there, after that making sure we weren't attacked again. martha: so as you look at this whole -- i know you won't comment on the race and i won't ask you to pick a person because you won't do that, but it will be republican. >> absolutely. martha: as you look at these folks and think about what their life might hold for them if they're there, what advice do you have for them as they go through this grueling process, really. >> it is a really grueling process, the campaigns are, and i think that's good because it's very grueling to live there. to have all of the problems that come to the desk of the president of the united states, which are all of the problems of the world, really. but my advice is to make it into a really wonderful life experience, and i think george and i did that, our girls campaigned with us, which was a lot of fun, they

-- both of them would say what they are doing now is really an inspiration from the people they got to meet and the chances they had when we lived there. and very few people ever in the world have the opportunity to run for president of the united states, or to be involved in the presidential campaign, so i would say to all of them, you know, remember these moments and take advantage of the experience, the life experience, that they are offered. martha: i'm sure they like hearing that, and it's an important message, because it's truly an honor to run and to certainly to serve as you all did. >> absolutely. martha: we're grateful to you and good to see you, thank you very much for being with gliews thank you very much. martha: and congratulations on your honor. >> thanks a lot. martha: well deserved. well deserved. bill: you tell your husband he won't have to give me as many strokes, all right? you let him know i can find my own ball! >> i'll tell him. he's going mountain biking.

can you do that? >> bill: i'm on for that, too. about 11 minutes before the hour. thar unemployment figures are more than double the national average. why young american men are having a hard time find ago job out there today. >> plus what do republican rivals think of h. man cain's staying power? >> long term projections about what the government is going to cost have never been right! name one. >> you can't --

bill: there are new unemployment numbers out showing that young men in america might be having the hardest time to find a job. unemployment rate for men between the ages of 25-34 is 14.4%. that is up 6.1% from about four years ago. and for men between the ages

of 20 and 24, the picture is even bleaker. eric bolling, fox business network, with me now. eric, good morning to you. man, i hope this is not a lost generation here. >> bi, the numbers are terrible. it keeps going down, you point out, 14.4%, 25-34. again, the number goes down dramatically, the unemployment number, if you have a diploma. if you own a diploma, the number goes down to somewhere around 5 percent. there is is a big disparity between whether you have a high school dip quleem and when i -- when i say diploma, i mean a college degree. bill: so the difference between a high school graduate and college graduate. this reflects these guys are going into one of the weakest job markets ever. >> it doesn't look like it's getting better. when president obama was sworn in the unemployment rate was 7 percent. it's 9 percent now. we've seen nothing but an increasing unemployment rate. meanwhile you look at wall street banks, reporting record earnings and whatnot, so there's a disparity going

on where companies are making money but not hiring people, maybe because they're not secure what their tax structure is going to look like, they're not sure what their health insurance structure requirements are going to look like. a lot of question marks remain going forward in the business community. so they're saying let's try and do more with fewer people for now, maybe when confidence comes back into the economy they'll start to hire men -- hire again. bill: there's a societal question. a professor out of bercky, california talks about the risk of not having young american men connected to their community, talking about not having a well connected labor market. >> it's a risk. bill: also they don't feel ownership of their community or society because they've not benefitted from it. i think that's very deep and interesting. >> interesting, but we're also seeing the opposite playing out on the occupy movements, occupy wall street, occupy portland, occupy dallas, atlanta. the opposite has happened. rather than young men attaching themselves to the community, to the job market, the employment picture, to the economy, they're pulling themselves

away and protesting and what cls not -- whatnot, so you're seeing this disparity happen, the unemployment rate going up and you need young males, black, hispanic, asian, tied into the economy. bill: eye houl scoot, 25-24, 22.4%. wow! >> bill, black community, any age, 14.3%, hispanics, 11 percent. it doesn't matter where you come from, your racial background, you're not seeing these opportunities that we were promised years ago. bill: it's a great topic for "the five". by the way. martha: there is new fallout from the health care overhaul. why people are worried about a major backlash from this new law. we'll tell you what that is. bill: it start his home town former new york mayor rudy giuliani with what he'd do with the occupy wall street. >> how about you occupy a job!

how about working! woohoo, working! i know that's tough!

march are republican rivals waiting for the cain train to derail? cain and gingrich squaring off over the weekend but the sexual harassment charges were off for the debate. it sure wasn't off after the debate when her main cain afterwards. >> [inaudible question] >> don't even go there. >> can i ask my question? >> no. please send him the journalistic code of ethics. >> will do. martha: we start a brand new hour, folks, of "america's newsroom". happy monday, everyone! bill: happy monday! before that they had this back and forth.

martha: it seems like they were getting along great. bill: seemed like it, and cain still going strong, despite questions on those allegations. so far, his rivals are not touching it. but there are pundits saying it doesn't really matter because cain is not going to be the nominee. sample: >> he's not going to be the nominee, if i could just be honest for a minute. he was never going to be the nominee. the support for him was i think a symbol of conservative and republican distrust of some of the frontrunners, willingness to award someone for being bold, have plans, being an outsider but the air is slowly going to go out of the herman cain bubble regardless of the sexual harassment charges. martha: brit hume, senior fox political analyst, good morning. >> good morning, martha. martha: do you agree with bill crystal on that? >> i think i -- bill crystal on that? >> i think i do but the cain

phenomenon will be with us for a while longer. one is the effect of something like this tremendous firestorm over the sexual harassment allegations can be slow to occur. and the poll ratings will hold up for a while, and only come down later. so that's one possibility. the other thing is, i think the public smells dirty pool here. you heard that question from the reporter, which was similar to a lot of questions that were asked, and we're talking here about an anonymous person whose name we don't know, who declines to come forward, the seriousness of the sexual allegation is doubtful, i think, because the settlement was pretty minor, so far as we know. so people that hide behind annomiminity and make these damaging claims against someone i think strikes a

lot of people as dirty pool and the poll ratings may be a reflection of that as well. martha: they held up fairly well as you say over the course of last week as the news sort of kind of filters into the understanding of americans, as it kind of ripples across the country. the latest poll we have, reuters, that we want to pull up, does show a dip for her main cain, down 9 percent from the previous look. we're getting those numbers now. there's now 57 percent, a week ago, 66 percent for herman cain. but this raises a parallel point, bill -- bill raises a parallel point, when you spoke -- when we spoke to the chief of staff last week, they say the pundit, everybody, they don't get t. they're using a different model and he said look what happened to wisconsin, when they toppled russ feingold, a huge game change, they claim the grassroots is what it's going to be about and is going to propel herman cain to this position. >> i don't doubt the

grassroots. the grassroots at the end of the day are what it's always about, but cain has other problems apart from this dustup. his knowledge of the issues that a president must face has exhibited some fairly serious gaps, and you have to believe that over time, these gap necessary his knowledge are going to affect peoples' willingness to vote for him when it gets down to actually vote to go be commander in chief and the people in charge of our diplomacy, so i think his support was likely to erode over time. on his side is the fact that he is one of the most appealing personalities that i've seen in politics in a very long time. he is just enormously likable. and winning -- when you meet him you just kind of want to hang around with him and i think the people sense that, it comes through on television. sometimes peoples' personality doesn't come through on television. his personality does come through. martha: it sure does.

>> he's a very appealing guy, and the other thing is he's a true conservative and there's a nomadic quality to a big segment of the republican electorate which has moved from one camp to another and has pitched its tent most recently with herman cain and has not shop a willingness to pull up stakes and move on, although one senses that in time that will happen. martha: we will see. there's a debate this week that will focus on foreign policy, which is where a number of those gaps has been. we'll see where he holds up. brit, thank you very much. >> you too, martha. bill: did you know on the calendar, we're 364 days away from when america votes. here's where we are in the balance of power to be decided. house democrats on the left, republicans on the right, we stack up at the moment, 192 for democrats, for republicans, 242. so you've got a majority of 25 seats on the republican side at the moment, on the senate, it's much closer, democrats have 51, two independents by the way in the u.s. senate, republicans

are at 47. democrats, though, next year, are defending 23 seats in the senate, republicans are defending only ten. we'll see whether or not the senate is in play for the balance of power. what we are finding out about the american public, you are none too happy about what's happening with your congress. democrats in congress get a whopping 29 percent for approval. republicans in congress get a whopping 22 percent. this a-- these approval numbers are pretty significant, too, more than two -- two-thirds on the republican side and just shy of two-thirds for democrats when it comes to disapproval. watch these numbers, too, as you go out and ask american people whether or not you're happy with how your government is working for you today. six minutes now past the hour. martha: well, five more arrests in atlanta this morning, a day after 20 occupy protestors were taken into custody during a rally that spilled into the streets. watch this. >> so despite warnings from

police and the mayor, the demonstrators were handcuffed after refusing to leave a downtown park by curfew. >> what we see at night is a group of dedicated people and the fact that we have as many as we have on a sunday night -- >> i'm going to go for the rights that others can't afford. >> organizers are planning to be there again at the park today. bill: we get this now. there's been a death reported at the occupy vancouver rally, forcing the city's mayor to take action. mayor gregor robertson plan to go shut down a protest camp after a 23-year-old girl was found unresponsive at the demonstration site, reports saying she died of a drug overdose. the city has already begun the process of shutting down the site, but there are concerns it will set up a confrontation with protestors. watch that in vancouver. martha: occupy wall street protestners new york, building a tent just for women after several reports

of sexual assault there. organizers are calling this the safe house. it is a 16 square foot military tent that can shelter up to 30 women, two assaults were reported just last week, police say a 26-year-old man has been charged in connection with at least one of those. bill fox news alert now, a blockbuster report due out this week showing that iran on the brink of building a nuclear bomb. the u.n.'s nuclear watchdog group, finding that tehran is moving closer and closer to atomic weapons. our chief intelligence correspondent catherine herridge on this story out of washington, good morning there. what can we confirm about this story catherine? >> reporter: u.s. officials say iran has continued to keep its options open by performing weapons-related research after 2003 with the help of foreign experts. an ongoing investigation by the specialist unit concludes 600 entities were working to support its program and there are 40 suspected sites across the country where the work is taking place.

iranian scientists work across multiple disciplines, that can be explained away. one of the most concerning sites is thure rainum construction site hidden deep in the mountains, latest intelligence shows that security will have doubled around the site, its scale cannot be explained by any known civilian nuclear energy use. this report from the u.n.'s international atomic energy agency comes one month after an iranian american was accused of working with iran qads force to eliminate a diplomat, tehran is the, quote, poster child for terrorism and that's not all: >> it's the poster child for state sponsorship of terrorism, it's trying to get a nuclear weapon, it's repressed its own people, the regime has absolutely no legitimacy left. we should be doing everything we can to bring it down, and infer take military force off the table >> reporter: the reporter details in the new u.n. report, it seems to find the national intelligence

estimate of 2007, this is the intelligence community's most authortative assessment on iran's program, this morning, u.s. officials cautioned against reaching sweeping conclusions before the report is issued, adding iran doesn't have the bomb, but the decision to acquire it will be a political one and not a technical one, bill. bill: there is so much to follow up on that. katharine -- catherine, thank you very much. martha: check this out. not a scene from a hollywood mafie. what the heck happened? bill: and keep going and going and going! he is just eight years old, he spent five days alone in the woods and today, a big step forward for a brave little boy. martha: house speaker john boehner calling out president obama saying he is pitting rich people against poor people in this country. >> we are not going to engage in class warfare. the president is out there doing it every day. i frankly think it's i frankly think it's unfortunate.years-old, i love gardening, and i love volleyball.

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bill: got about 14 minutes past the hour. i don't know who was behind the camera or for that matter who was behind the wheel of this car. watch this now, a car cutting across several lanes of a busy highway. and flips over the overpass! the only thing stopping it was this. a flimsy guardrail. the story out of turkey. the car had been left in neutral before it took off and nosedized. no word on what happened to the driver. perhaps not inside at the time. martha: hopefully not inside at the time. it almost looks like there wasn't anyone inside at the time. it just went on the street, didn't hit anybody on the other side. bill: that was a busy little street, it hit no one down below. they got lucky. that out of turkey. martha: so there's that. then there's this: wall street making more money than ever before, folks. have you seen this? brand new data out shows the banking sector is booming. while the rest of the economy is struggling. profiting far more, in fact, under president obama than they ever did on wall street under president bush, which

is kind of interesting. so now john boehner, the house speaker, is calling out the president for what he says is pitting citizens of this country against each other. watch: >> we are not going to engage in class warfare. the president is out there doing it every day. i frankly think it's unfortunate. because our job is to help all americans. not to pit one set of americans against another. >> do you think that's what's happening? >> the president is clearly trying to do it. and it's wrong. the president and i have a pretty good relationship. it's been a little frosty here in the last few weeks. but we've got a pretty good relationship. martha: a little frosty! says john boehner. karen henretty joins me, and kirsten powers, fox news contributor. this is a conversation in this country right now and it's very interesting, when you look at these numbers, wall street making money hand over fist right now, in fact, a lot more under president obama, and this is after the regulations that

were put n. kirsten, than they ever made under president bush. >> yeah, well, the class warfare talking point basically is what it is, it's a talking point that republicans use whenever democrats try to do something, basically, and claim that the democrats are out to get rich people, even though, as you just said, wall street has done perfectly well under president obama, and john boehner also talked about in that interview, another talking point over and over is how, you know, 1 percent of the population pays 38 percent of taxes. well, that's because they have all the money. you know, what is the solution? i haven't heard any republicans saying like is the solution that they want to raise taxes on poor people? you know, they're just constantly complaining about the fact that this very wealthy group of people are paying taxes because they have money. martha: well, i think they're saying because the proportions are unfair in terms of the percentages they're pay. brad: what's the solution

then? >> martha: coming up with idea that is would flatten the tax code. if there's one thing i hear about this whole debate, karen, people want to throw the tax code out the winnow and start from scratch, do something that is fair and also forces corporations to pay the taxes they owe rather than having these loopholes. >> i don't like the word fair when it comes to the tax code. i think what you want is something that is easier to understand, so you want a more simple tax code which involves tax reform, you want something that is far more transparent. no one would argue -- even republicans would argue there are a number, far too many tax loopholes that are difficult to understand and at the end of the day it's tough to say who's really paying what. so you want something that's simple, something that's far more transparent and something where people can really be held accountable. you have far too much money held overseas as opposed to being repatriated into theun and being invested here in the united states.

you don't immediate to give incentives. there are plenty of solutions out there. martha: in terms of -- this is a conversation that's very troubling in this -- that's very prevalent and perhaps in some regards, even though the occupy wall street folks is a fairly small group at these protest spots but they're certainly getting attention, and rudy giuliani had this to say about the presidents aligning themselves to them to some extent. >> occupy wall street is a direct result of barack obama's relentless class warfare that he has been practicing from the time that he was a candidate. it is not an accident. it is not just some kind of byproduct of the economy of our times. it is a direct result of his social philosophy. martha: kirsten, what do you think? >> that was insane, actually. i mean, it is totally ridiculous. martha, you opened this segment talking about how wall street is doing so

well. and it's because obama actually has far more favored them than other people. i mean, this is the complaint. martha: that's one of the charges, there's a hypocrisy. >> that's not what ruddy giuliani was saying, though. the republican argument against him is he like this secret marxist looking out for the regular people when in reality wall street is making money hand over fist which i actually don't have a problem with, but let's just stay in reality here, and that he is not in any way doing anything to, you know, engage in class warfare. i mean, it's just absurd. martha: i think what rudy giuliani is referring to is the fact that the president has said in almost every single speech when he talks about the jobs bill that the rich people, they can afford to pay a little more, right? >> they k that's an obvious statement. the jobs bill is so milquetoast, martha. come on. it's filled with stuff that republicans would normally love, right? half tax cuts, infrastructure spending. this is the far either -- these are literally things that were ideas of republicans until recently.

martha: karen, you want to address that before -- before we ghoa. >> first of all it's not a jobs bill, it's a stimulus. that's what we should refer to it as. the white house doesn't want to call it a stimulus because they know that's a toxic word. if the president really cared about infrastructure, he wouldn't be doing this through a second stimulus, he'd be out there urging congress to pass a six-year, fully funded highway bill. that's how you get money into the system and it happens with a great deal of transparency and accountability than you would have a stimulus. don't forget it's the stimulus that allowed the funding of solyndra and a lot of these other failed risk taking that hasn't actually produced anything good for the economy. martha: got to go, ladies. there's so many things, obvious lerks that are intertwined in this whole conversation about class warfare and what's best, how to get this economy working again, and we're touching on sort of all of those tentacles to this. kirsten, thank you very much for being here, karen henretty, thanks to you as bell. bill: breaking in a moment n

a moment, carl cameron, apparently a fourth woman is now set to go public, accusing herman cain of being sexually harassed when he was head of the national restaurant association. apparently there's a press conference called for early this afternoon, and the well known attorney out of california, gloria allred, is representing this woman. we don't have an age, we do not have a name for this woman, but we're going to bring carl on in a moment and sort through what we can. so be patient on that. we're back in three minutes on that breaking news:  so who ordered the cereal that can help lower olesterol

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bill: this is fox news alert on what we believe will be more allegations directed at herman cain set for later this afternoon. carl cameron has been talking with his sources, he's in today

o davonport, iowa traveling with the romney team. what can you find out about this and what the allegation are. >> reporter: gloria allred has called a news conference for 1:30 eastern time in new york city with someone that her staff has said has promoted with this release is a fourth woman, not one of the three who have yet to actually be named, but have made allegations about herman cain of sexual harassment back when he ran the national restaurant association in the 90s, charges he denies. gloria allred has been involved in a lot of high profile glitzy things linin like this. she will make this public in matter of three hours or so. we have spoken to the cain campaign this morning, they were unaware of the news conference and unaware of the allegations as recently as 45 minutes ago. in a separate phone call minutes

before we went on the air here one of the cain senior staffers pointed out that miss allred is a well-known democratic donor and has been accused of pretty obvious selfpromotion in the past with some of her clients and the way in which she's conducted their cases. the cain campaign will not make any comments about the allegations or about any fourth charge or person without details and without identification, without actual specifics as to the allegations. they will not comment. they are, however, raising serious questions about gloria allred's motives, as well as they have through the entirety of this controversy, suggesting that herman cain is the object of a political smear from critics of people who are taking advantage of charges years ago trike to take advantage of it. bill: if it goes the way they are saying it will go this woman will be the first to give her name and offer to deliver details? >> reporter: and than present at the news conference.

whether or not she talks we will apparently actually see somebody. there will be a person. we are given to believe based upon the information from allred's offices, again she's been involved in these types of things and other very, very high profile cases and allegations in the past. not always have the allegations been borne out. in some cases the allegations have not been made, they were advertised or pre promoted. there is a news conference scheduled for 1:30 in new york city with gloria allred and a woman allege lead who will come forward anallegedly show her face and we'll have her name. bill: we will see at 1:30 this afternoon in new york at the frier's s club in manhattan. martha: the occupy wall street protestors triggering a huge political reaction. former new york city mayor rudy guiliani on what he would have done if he were still running

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bill: state governments now showing serious new concerns over backlash from the healthcare overhaul. officials say they are worried that they are the ones being set up to be the bad guys. dr. marc siegl member of the fox news medical a team and a professor of medicine nyumango medical center. this has to do with the state exchanges, right. >> exactly. bill: that are part of the new healthcare law. is it set up yet or to come in the future. >> most states who don't r-r have them are in the process of setting them up. north carolina is literally setting it up right now. they have to be set up by 2013. many of the states are balking, as they notice certain loopholes in the obamacare law that will affect the changes. bill: what does the state exchange do for me or someone else? >> it's actually a virtual exchange like medicare part d, it's online. you go there and you have a virtual marketplace, where you can look over various insurancess and decide what is best for you and your family.

what fits you. bill: is that private or is it run by the state. >> it's run by the state. in each case the exchange is run by the state. more and more employees will end up on these exchanges. we've covered it on the show here. not all employers are going to keep their sponsored programs. people are going to end up on the exchanges looking for insurance. bill: if i have a job and my company says, hey, man i can't afford it if i more my option is to go to the state exchange. >> exactly, they can pay the penalty, if they are below the 50 employees they dump you on the exchange. bill: what is the loophole. >> the loophole is huge. they discovered the subsidies on the exchanges are only going to cover individual employees and not spouses for dependents. so, in other words, if you think you're going to get a certain rate and the federal government is going to come in and pay a subsidy because you can't afford that rate, they are only going to do it for you, they are not going to factor in to it what your spouse's coverage affords you what our children will cost you. bill: what do you do then? where do you go and turn?

>> the states are saying we are not picking up the tab on that. if the federal dollar doesn't cover the spouse and children we can't afford to pick up the tab on that. tennessee is saying something ironic, they are saying we don't even have income tax in tennessee. we don't know who is qualified for a subsidy and who isn't. -pt states are not equipped to handle it. bill: you're saying this is a murky area. >> this is a mess. in north carolina state workers have a problem, only the worker is covered not the spouse and not the dependents. bill: is there time to change this? >> yes, the law is under attack as it is now. there was a recent poll that showed only 34% of americans are in favor of this law at this point. as you know -- bill: 34. >> 34% according to the kaiser family foundation which is pretty objective. the supreme court is starting to look at the law. a lot of states are saying let's see if the law survives before we follow through on the exchanges. they will be taking a lot out of the state pocketbook. i told you the states are worried about immediate a today

cade at the same time if the law is allowed to continue and we see 16 million more immediat medicaid patients nationwide states can't afford that. many states are cutting back on medicaid services, including the number of options you can have per year. bill: this has nothing to do with the mandate, this has nothing to do with the court challenges, this is how the states are trying to figure out how they can apply it to their own people. >> exactly right. this is outside of the mandate. states are saying, we can't afford this law, we can't afford the new medicaid patients. these loopholes are going to kill us. state-by-state already in budgetary problems are saying we can't afford obamacare. bill: you mentioned the medicaid issue too, in addition to contributing to fox news.com you have a piece coming down in u.s. today. >> it will be out later this week. bill: the topic you cover is the affect of medicaid expansion on the states and where those states get the money to pay for it. >> and they put, and the hospitals end up having to pay for it and it's not done well as oftentimes bureaucracies don't

know how to make cuts. bill: dr. marc siegl, it's a big deal, all of it. thank you for coming in and making it understandable. thank you. >> thank you, bill. martha: the jurors in the michael jackson manslaughter trial are about to get bark to work this morning. they'll start their second day of deliberations today. casey stegall is live in front of the courthouse in l.a. with that story for us. good morning, casey. >> reporter: good morning to you. just about an hour on the dot in fact the seven man and five woman jury will return to the courthouse in downtown l.a. after perhaps a weekend of resting and thinking about this very complicated case. of course they have an awfully big decision on their hands to decide whether or not the king of pop's doctor was in fact responsible for the singer's death. now in order for this jury to convict dr.~conrad murray on the one count of involuntary manslaughter, they must decide whether the 58 doctor was criminally negligent by giving michael jackson the powerful

anesthetic propofol in a home setting as a sleep aid, something many physicians have said both on and off the stand in recent weeks was totally irresponsible, including michael jackson's former dermatologist. >> you have to understand that to administer a drug like that at home is ridiculous unless you're taking out someone's appendix at home. you have to have a very close monitoring system u don't make phone calls during that. i don't make phone calls when i'm injecting people's faces. >> reporter: the jury must of course come up with a unanimous decision before this verdict can be read. if he is found guilty he faces a maximum of four years behind bars, but as you know, martha, from some of the reporting over the last couple of weeks with overcrowding, and also good behavior, he may just go, you know, and have an ankle bracelet on. he may spend zero time behind bars. we have to wait and see. we are on verdict watch here. we'll keep you posted, martha. martha: maybe some other inmates

would be happy to make room for him or perhaps others to allow them in. casey staoeg he will in l.a. thank you very much. bill: took the weekend off and they are back at it today. we'll see if we get word. a moving tribute for those who lost their lives in vietnam. in north carolina hundreds gathering to welcome a half-size replica of the vietnam wall. more than 50,000 names etched into the moving memorial. >> it's sad. it's sad. it's been a longtime, but it still bothers us. >> it's good that it's here that the boys are finally getting what they deserve, the homecoming and stuff, i think it's wonderful. >> don't have a grave, you don't have a dad, so when the wall comes it never gets easier. bill: 40 years on, 41 names from veterans from north carolina list owned the wal listed on the wall are still missing in southeast asia, vietnam. martha: an 8-year-old boy who

spent five days alone in the woods is released from a hop. robert woods jr. who has autism is said to be doing fine. he was treat ford a small hole in his esophagus and other minor injuries. i wandered off from a family like on october 23rd. incredibly he was found sitting near a rock. 3,000 people were out searching for him and thank goodness they found him and he's going to be okay. that's the word from the hospital. bill: he was sitting there waiting to be picked up and they are picking up. breaking news. reports that a new woman, this now being a fourth woman allegedly accusing herman cain of harassment. the latest on that developing story and there is this ... martha: now fallout from the occupy wall street protest, what former new york city mayor guiliani thinks about the protestors, and president obama. or afib,

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bill: a big happy birthday to billy graham. he's 93 years young today. he is not slowing down. he just went to print with his 30th book entitled "nearing home." reverend graham also keeping busy online posting 1700 audio files from the archives of his public ministry. an says he hopes to preach a sermon one more time. happy birthday. martha: happy birthday. he's a busy man, good for him. happy birthday to billy graham today. some pretty tough words from rudy guiliani for the anti-wall street protestors. he said instead of occupying wall street occupy a job, that was his advice. the former new york city mayor called out the demonstrators while blaming this movement on president obama. >> how about trying something different to help our economy, instead of occupying wall street and boston and oakland. how about you occupy a job? how about working?

whoo, working. i know that is tough. woodstock is more fun. right? woodstock is a lot more fun than working eight hours a day. martha: that's probably true. founder of the tea party 365 joins me now. sally cohen occupy wall street supporter and activist founder of new vision.org. i know you've both been down there. he said he would have cleared them out a lot sooner. there was that moment when mayor bloomberg said actually we are not going to clean today we're going to clean another day. >> there are so many things to say about guiliani, i don't know where to begin. he comes from the same camp of middle class attackers and wall street defenders who are complaining that we are not creating enough jobs right now. to suggest that, oh, well we don't have enough jobs but these people should go down and get jobs is so disingenuous i don't know where to start. the larger point is, look if you

go down to occupy wall street or any sites around the country, yes a lot of the folks don't have jobs because they've tried to get jobs and we have record unemployment. a lot of the other folks they have jobs, in fact two, three jobs and they are trus frustrated in this country working hard no longer puts food on your table and creates a future for your family and that's a very good reason to protest. martha: david what is your sense when you go down there. >> acorn is shredding paperwork, it's turning out like the working family's party. there are and i've said this many times have broadcast from occupy all streets, i've been there and talked to the people there. there are people who have convenient eun concerns who we may come at it from different lanes, they have real concerns about wall street, crony capitalism and all the issues. the problem is they are not the narrative. the narrative that comes out of occupy wall street, is disruption, destruction of property, assaults, violence against women. social lis, lennonistss,

anarchists and marxists. those overrun by that, the fires in oakland. 36 arrests since wednesday alone. martha: there has been a reluctance in many ways to talk about the things that have been arye, the damage because -- >> if i could finish there is a very important point here i wanted to make. selfpoliceing asimovment if you will. when somebody came out in the tea party didn't fit what it was i went on national tv and took mark williams on. no selfpolicing by the quote, occupy wall street movement. they should have forcefully ejected this. martha: i think that's why some people have been reluctant to point out some of the things happening at some of the rallies and the damage and vandalism that have been done because they don't want to be painted with the broad stroke. well you weren't willing to accept the people who were crazy in the tea party so you can't do the same thing byville flying these call street occupiers. now they've got a tent to keep

women safe in this area in new york. they've had two sexual assaults in new york, and they are starting fires. >> the fact that they are responding and in the same breath saying they are not selfpolicing. martha: wait, wait, wait, david. >> david you got this chance. we actually know that we've had a number of rapes around the city. the police haven't been adequately responding to. let's put that in a little bit of context. look, david, martha, the larger point here is that throughout the occupy movement people are round lee condemning not only the personal violence, the property damage, all of those things, look, you have a large movement, a few people ain't is similar to the tea party in that sense, that there were a number of unseemly and unsavory things happening in the larger movement that didn't represent the movement. folks like mr. webb want to throw everything and the kitchen sink at these folks because they are so popular. >> hang on, now you're

filibustering. gets go to the facts. >> the majority of americans support them and understand that the economy is broken, it isn't working for working people period. martha: we are almost out of time. go ahead. >> when you compare 700 arrests on the brooklyn bridge alone, there weren't 70 arrests of that in the tea party. maybe seven incidences. the fact is that again we get to the point of allocation of resources. i talked to an nypd officer right before i walked in here. 36 arrests since wednesday in new york alone. they've allocated resources from other areas: its costing the city money in nypd fire, emergency. martha: it is. they are wrapping me like crazy. >> thousands of people were arrested during the civil rights movement. >> not know comparison to the civil rights movement. >> there is a mass movement -- >> it's a mass movements of thousands half anarchists and disrupt ters.

>> it was in 1954, 1955 when the movement was started. it's clear what they want. they want an economy that works for everyone. martha: there is no such thing. >> civil rights was about a contract with the people of american, of freedom, access to laws and equal treatment. martha: it was about equal opportunity. martha: we'll have to continue this coverage, david webb thank you very much. thank you both. hot topic. we'll be talking about it for some time to come. bill: in the men time they still calm on concrete. jon scott is coming up now ow on a monday morning. what is going on, jon. jon: new polling on the republican field of presidential candidates. we'll talk with stirewalt and beir with what 4 they show. still awaiting the verdict in the manslaughter trial of michael jackson's doctor conrad myrrh aoefplt are all those scented candles and air fresheners making you sick?

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vaughn was visiting the veil ski academy. 16-year-old parker mcdonald went over to lindsey vaughn and said, how would you like to go to the homecoming dance to me. she said you know what i never got to go to homecoming dances. i was always skiing. i would love to go. is that the cutest picture i've ever seen. vaughn pasted this picture on her facebook page and said mcdonald was cute, and nervous and very polite. he was a perfect gentleman, a great date. maybe they'll go out again. bill: a class act, well done. they can dive to the deepest parts of the deep blue sea and they are made by the same folks who brought you the robotic vacuum cleaner. jonathan serrie is on the cutting edge of oceanography live in atlanta. what did you find. >> reporter: the robotic vacuum cleaner being the cylindrical device you put down on the carpet. you leave it alone and it vacuums the carpet. the same people are creating a

fleet of robots for deep sea operations. watch. off the coast of north carolina researchers release a high-tech robot into the choppy waters of the atlantic. it's called sea glider and it's capable of performing civilian and military research missions lasting up to nine months on a single battery charge. >> the robot doesn't care if there is a storm outside or a hurricane present or it's cold, it does not care. >> reporter: you might be surprised, sea glider is manufactured by i robot, the same company that makes rumba this fully automated consumer vacuum cleaner. far from just cleaning carpets, company's land-based robots are protecting u.s. troops in war zones while its underwater devices help the navy enhance its ability to operate in different conditions. >> you need to understand how fast the sound is going through the water in order tore season arto be very tpeurblgt. having these devices helps them understand the characteristics of the ocean. >> reporter: during last year's

cat trough i can spear in the gulf of mexico multiple sea gliders tracked underwater oil plumes. the sensors may eventually help with oil and gas exploration. and bill, sea glider uses satellites to community. it can be piloted from anywhere in the world with an internet connection. bill: what are they going to think of next. just wait, jonathan serrie in atlanta. martha: i i wandered in the rumba worked. the little vacuum cleaner that goes around. it is one of president obama's key initiatives and pitting two of his biggest supporters against each other. details on that next. ♪

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