who has written a book. >> brian: and dr. larry sabato. >> steve: and gene simmons will be here. we should end with a kiss then. bill well done, good morning, everybody, a fox news alert, herman cain vow toss set the record straight today, a presidential candidate will hold a news conference in a few hours addressing the new claims of sexual harassment, sharon bailak, one of three or four women accusing cain publicly, calling for him to start talking glie want you, mr. cain, to come clean, just admit what you did, admit you were inappropriate to people. mr. cain, i implore you, make this right. bill: that was from yesterday afternoon. this morning, martha sat down with ms. bialek. we'll have that interview in one hour's time. good morning, it's a very busy tuesday, good to have you along with us.

how you doing? martha: very interesting stuff in that interview. that's coming up in about an hour from now. good morning bill, good morning, everyone, i'm martha maccallum. just a few hours before she finished that news conference, herman cain went on jimmy kimmell. listen: >> all things considered, i'm still alive. it got off to a somewhat surprise start. >> we are going to have a press conference. we are taking this head on. bill: that was from last night, so far the allegations not hurting cain in the polling among republicans. latest gallup poll has cain neck and neck with mitt romney. you see it will on the screen. bob cusack, good morning to you, what's the poll tell you? >> the poll tells you he's still alive in the republican primary, he's right there with mitt romney even as this story goes into its second week, herman cain is doing well on one aspect. on another aspect he's not doing well, in the head to head matchup with president obama, his numbers have gone

down and when republicans go to the polls they want to beat president obama. the fact that he's talking about this again in the second week, not talking about policy, that's not getting attention, eventually this drip drip, now we're on the fourth woman, some people believe her, some don't but overall, this could hurt him. bill: he does not walk with a lack of confidence. and that was evident last night with jimmy kimmell. he's not slowing down, either. >> right. bill: within his campaign itself, he says stay on message, stay on track. how does he handle the press conference later today to keep his campaign on track? >> bill, as far as handling it, i think he's got to do it the way he's been doing it. something is working. he's not benefits defensive, he's going on offensive, denying all wrongdoing, saying these are false, baseless, this is a witch hunt, going after the washington media establishment. that strategy has worked. has story has changed, he's been a little inconsistent but overall i think that pattern is going to be his mantra throughout the rest of the week and possibly into next week. but how long can this story

go? and he survives in the polls, that me -- that remains to be seen. bill: you know what the campaign says, our motto is to allow herman or herman. in that polling, president obama had his numbers flip a bit. so we'll watch that. bob, thank you, bob cusack out of washington. martha: i sat down with sharon bailak a couple of minutes ago for the first fox interview. here's a piece of it. >> i want him to acknowledge that at points in time in his life, he's been inappropriate with women, i don't know what the other allegations are, i know what mine are, i know i'm speaking the truth and that's what i want him to do is say hey, i've made some mistakes. martha: we'll see what happens this afternoon. she responds to the complaint from the cain campaign that she came forward for money. we'll play what she said if i asked her if she had ever considered money for this story to come out. we'll talk about that interview coming up at the top of the hour.

don't miss it. bill: remember the times she was broke or hurting for money, we'll see. newt beginning vich speaking out about the allegations, his rival that he went head to head with over the weekend, the former house speaker says he just needs to get ahead of the ongoing stories, hferg to her man cain. -- to her -- referring to herman cain. >> at some point in future, herman's campaign will have to lay this out and put it to rest. i think the pressure to do that will become very real. remarkably few people raise those kind of questions. they ask about the price of housing, how to create jobs, what do we do about a giant government decifit, how do we get power out of washington and reinforce the tenth amendment. bill: it looks like that is what cain will do. this was from saturday night, cain and gingrich on stage. he will address the media a bit late dear and we'll have live coverage. martha: all the republican hopefuls taking hard hitting questions from the public last night during a special town hall radio debate moderated by bill o'reilly,

saying it's anybody's game right now. >> any time that you rise to the top of the polls, any time that you appear that you're going to be an individual of substance that those on the left are concerned about, you're going to get whacked. i mean, it's as you said, it's herman's time. i'm not going to weigh in on the campaign, or the cain campaign, i think it's best to focus on the fact that we've got a president who doesn't know how to run an economy and likewise there may be severe errors internationally, and the american people are looking for new leadership. >> this is high stakes bingo >> no higher. >> demagogues always put a spin on it in order to disport the -- distort the truth. martha: very interesting forums, the listeners had a chance to take place in a straw poll and herman cain came in first place, newt gingrich and mitt romney and

rick perry rounded out theo on up to fourth place there. bill: need to get them on a land line! off the cell phone, right? in the meantime there are significant issues facing millions of american voters today. in mississippi, they're choose ago new governor, 2-term republican governor haley barbour is out, voters there also deciding whether to add three amendments to the state constitution, including one that could provoke a national fight over abortion, and another that would require voters to show a government-issued i.d. at the poll. also an important fight going on in ohio. we'll talk about that more in just a moment. martha: a new report out there shows america's housing crisis may now be in uncharted territory, close to 30 percent of homeowners in this country are now under water. that's an unbelievable number. they now owe more on their loans than they can sell a home for. that's a tough spot to northbound. with unemployment at

9 percent, expects think they can get worse from here. charles payne joins us now. charles, this is a tough reality that keeps a big wind on this economy. >> you're right and so many point to housing as the epicenter of what got us into this mess, therefore it's got to play an extraordinary role in getting us out, yet people continue to see the values of homes go down, even though unemployment stumbles at 9 percent and higher, real wages aren't budging at all and there's a report that the legal fees have gone u this is the first time in a year that they've gone higher, quarter over quarter. so red flags, and housing markets, of all things, where we've seen billions of dollars in this program, billions of dollars in that program and nothing seems to be working. martha: i guess that's one of the big questions, charles, because a lot of money there is been -- has been thrown at this problem and some say it stretches out the pain in the housing market and makes it longer

to hit the bottom. >> i got to tell you i'm one of those that believes this. a couple of years ago, i think there was a preordained thought that housing had to correct itself, housing was what they called parabolic, it went straight up, everybody was making money, everybody was flipping houses. there was a point that it had to come to a downside and i think it was built into the thing and what we did is we set up the artificial speed bumps through these programs, through delaying foreclosures, all of these things really never helped the actual problem, which is the housing prices got so overbought that they simply had to come down, and of course, the economic backdrop hasn't improved at all and that makes it worse. martha: we got to go but how much further is down for pricing prices? >> i'm hoping for teraform, hoping we can skid along the bottom and perhaps turn it around. really, the correlation is with jobs and real wages and we haven't seen a real improvement there. par march charles payne,

thank you, always good to see you. bill: we've got a breaking news alert now, wires that power trains have fallen down, the new jersey transit folks saying it happened in motuchen, they do not know whether the train can be moved or passengers evacuated. this will have an enormous ripple effect up and down the east coast. millions will be affected. the downed wire is causing delays of up to 60 minutes. new york-bound trains, planning up to 30 minutes behind schedule, so we're working on that story and it's just breaking, crossing the wires right now but the busy northeastern corridor that relies so much on that transportation will be affected significantly. martha: and with the falling trees and no power, and all that, you can't even get to work. so it's a good day! bill: 60 degrees outside. martha: go for a walk! bill: more to come this hour, including this. attorney general eric holder facing down his critics. republicans will grill him on the failed fast & furious

gun running sting. that hearing begins on the hill in only one hour. stay tuned. martha: it's big. we'll be all over that. it's a vote that the entire nation is watching. folks in ohio, set to decide the fate of a law over unions and the state budget. this is so at the core of the problems of so many states. this is a great place to look at this issue in ohio today. we'll talk to a state senator who supports that law. the law has a tough road ahead of it today in this vote. that's coming up. bill: also this: >> i need to take pictures. >> but not yet. i promise it's not as close as you think. it never is. >> it's perfect. >> perfect. bill: this should not be happening. where some brave storm chasers caught up with that funnel cloud. martha: i love how they're arguing over the right moment to take the picture. >> i need to take pictures! >> but not yet. i promise it's not as close as you think. it never is. >> it's perfect! >> perfect vantage. >> okay.   

martha: you got to be wearing the open microphone, right? so apparently a hot mic caught a very private conversation not meant to be heard during the g20 summit between president obama and french counterpart nicolas sarkozy, they were reportedly caught in a cannedit moment talking about benjamin netanyahu, sacozy saying he can't stand netanyahu, the president reportedly saying, quote, you're fed up but i have to deal with him every day. that's an unfortunate conversation to be caught on taivment we've not heard the tape but that is reportedly what's on it. we will get -- we will get more on that story. bill: they kept it qui phot a couple of days. usually something like that catches like a prairie fire. >> do police need a warrant for a gpd tracking device to find you or not? that's an answer that will be decided by the u.s. supreme court. shannon bream is live at the court now. what's shakeing in this case? good morning. >> reporter: good morning, -- good morning, bill.

basically that's the bottom line, can the police, the government, put a gpd tracking device on your car for weeks at a time tracking everywhere you go, how long you're there and basically what you're doing without a proper warrant. the justices will have to decide that case very shortly when they hear it this morning at 10:00 a.m. eastern. legal experts say the government has a good argument. here's that side of it: >> in an era of scarce resources it allows law enforcement to do more with less and that really i think is the balance here. we all want law enforcement effectively to investigate murderers, rapists and terrorists and stop them from committing their crimes on the one hand and we'd like them to do that efficiently so there's no waste of public resources. >> modern technology can help them be more efficient but a lot of folks are asking at what cost bill. >> bill: who is asking the questions, because there are groups that object to this. on what grounds, shan glon. >> it's an interesting coalition, bill. a lot of groups we don't often see on the same side.

you've got briefs filed from gun owners, trucking association, cato institute and aclu. i want to read you the brief, this spells out the objection, quote, without judicial oversight -- oversight the police could track people for months, weeks at a time, americans could never be confident they were free from round the clock surveillance of their activity, moreover they could engage in the surveillance without judicial oversight of any kind. today we'll see how the justices respond, it will be weeks or months before we get a final decision. bill: shannon bream on the steps of the supreme court. martha: there is new outrage over a federal loan some lawmakers say is worse than seoul solyndra, why is the united states government plan to go give a steel company hundreds of millions of tax dollars? bill: we're awaiting comments from penn state football coach joe paterno, explosive allegations against his former assistant coach. what's paterno know, can he

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march we've got a two-week deadline looming now and there are new concerns the supercommittee may fail to come up a an agreement in time, a bipartisan group of 100 lawmakers are calling on them to go big with their cuts, sailing they should aim to cut $4 trillion in the decifit reduction plan, not the 1.2 that they are remand to do, so the democrat chuck schumer says he doesn't think this is going to happen. watch this. >> if you don't do revenues you won't get the grand bargain to get the deaf dit -- decifit down, just as if

you did spending you couldn't get the decifit down. >> the sequestration is not engraved on colden tablets, it is a notional aspiration. and those of us, and i think we've had sufficient support to prevent those kinds of cuts being enacted because of the impact it would have an national security. martha: sounds like things are happening any time soon? we'll see. the supercommittee deadline is november 23rd. next hour we'll take a look at what's really on the table in this deal and whether or not they're going to be able to come to any sort agreement. bill: no wiggle room. all right, the polls are open now, in the battle ground state of ohio and voters will decide the fate of two critical issues in that state, one is on health care. the other is on unions and the future budget of the state. a hot battle on collective bargaining where the results could have a ripple effect across the country. ohio state senator keith faber supports the measure, he played a key role in working to revise the bill and he's my guest this morning and sir, good

morning and welcome back to "america's newsroom" here. >> good morning and thank you for having me back. bill: the polls are stacked against you, almost 2-1. if this fails today, when do the layoffs begin? >> well, it's been an uphill fight from the beginning, the other side has been very effective in their organization and their messaging. the answer is going to be probably relatively soon in a lot of local communities all across ohio. it's important that this message be communicated that it's whether you want business as usual or whether we're going to continue to try to reform the way ohio does business. bill: there are those who say the message was wrong, that the message should have been about budgets and not unions. are they right? >> well, again, in monday morning quarter backing i'm optimistic we're going to have a good day at election, at the polls, when people actually go to the polls and vote but again, the union came out with a message that

kind of controlled the discussion from the very beginning and tried to make this about collective bargaining. the bill doesn't eliminate collective bargaining. what it does is put reforms in to balance the playing field between the taxpayers and make sure there's transparency in the system and they effectively controlled that argument, and from that perspective they did a very good job of that. bill: how deep is the hole in ohio? >> we had an $8 billion state budget decifit and that's a lot. largely because of all the one-time money that ohio got and spent in the last cujt. -- budget. but the local government budget could be even larger. the estimates are just in the next few years that ohio school districts are going to have an $8 billion hole roughly, that's $8 billion that local taxpayers are going to be asked to make up in the next few years. we've had over 6000 levees on the ballot in the last six years in ohio, with most of them going down to defeat. that's a trend that has caused ohio's tax burden for the job creators and for ohio's hard working families

to continue to go up much faster than the rate of inflation. bill: but is it 8 billion now and 8 billion in the future for a total of $16 billion? what's the bottom line? >> absolutely. right. the $8 billion hole in the state budget, we balanced, we balanced this budget without tax increases, and made that go -- but going forward we know if they don't -- if we don't do reforms we're not going to keep it going and in ohio districts -- school districts alone, there's an oonts paitd $7.9 billion hole that they're going to have to balance and they're going to have to balance largely because there's no more money at the state with local resources. and that's an awful lot of levees. there are personnel -- the personnel costs are estimated to be 95 percent of their operating cost during that same time period. that becomes unsustainable. the target in ohio is no more than 80 percent. that's the problem we keep seeing. we've got to reign this in. bill i have a minute left

here, apologize for the interruption. the country is watch to go see which way this goes. the unions, they poured into ohio, the president has been there several times. >> absolutely. bill: they came out with a signature signup rate that was extraordinary to try to get this thing on the bap ot today, which is known as sb5. if you lose on that what is your next strategy? >> well, we got to look at it very carefully. one, we have to respect what the voters in ohio say. but the problem doesn't go away tomorrow without -- however this election comes out. so one of the things that we're going to have to look at is to see what other things we can do to help balance the playing field to make sure we can balance our budgets and give local governments the control to do theirs, so we're going to take a look at it and i don't want to pretend that we know the answers. we're going to be listening to what the other side has to offer. to date they haven't offered anything except raise taxes. bill at this point we're waiting to see the outcome of this vote which we will not know until later tonight. you have that issue on the

ballot and health care to decide as well. keith faber, appreciate your -- appreciate your time, thank you. martha: there is a stunning change to a report in the west wing. why bill daley who was brought in as chief of staff to improve things now has a smaller role after he gave a somewhat unflattering interview. so what's going on here? we have a fair and balanced debate, send your tweets, thoughts on that, to martha maccallum. bill: he says a recent string of harassment claims is all part of being a frontrunner in this race. >> let -- let me tell you something else before i go through there about being in the top tier of the candidates? you can all see that big bull's eye on my back? bill: herman cain's accuser, shane bailek in her first fox news interview. we'll have that coming up in moments.

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a former democratic campaign manager. both are cohosts of "the five". how big a deal is this sphwhob. >> i've known bail daley for a long time, he was chairman of the mondale campaign that i managed and he's not the kind of guy that gets pushed out. if this was going to be shakeup he'd be gone. he wouldn't stay around for the sake of -- without being dramatic, for the sake of being in this campaign work and i really think this is what it's about, the campaign people have gotten more in mode, pluf came into the white house, his view is directed at direction, daley is policy. i think this is a big part of this. martha: put rouse is taking over those responsibilities, he was brought in as an interim person after rahm emanuel left and daley took over for pete rouse and i

don't remember swings going swimmingly well as chief of staff. i think people liked him better is the world. >> i think they're looking at the skill set. if you look at daley he's had a much tougher time than rahm emanuel did, largely because he didn't have the relationship that rahm emanuel had but to daley's defense, one of the things they tanked -- tasked him for do was bridge the white house's relationship with the business community. you have a president that keeps bashing the business community. he was also supposed to work with congress. and in that, he's had very little success in dealing with congress. but also you have a president that doesn't have the relationship with leaders on capitol hill like past presidents have had. so daley was very frank in an interview with politico when he said this is tough and i might leave after 2012, but martha, why this is important is because he was brought in to save president obama and get him reelected and almost one year ago to the day, he is being demoted or shifted responsibility. so it is important. martha: interesting points by both of you. let me take a look at that

politico quote. we want to show folks at home. this was a very striking interview. when i saw this cross, and i read this whole interview with bill daley a couple weeks ago, i thought wow, this is something that hasn't spoken out in this way before, it's been a brutal three years, it's been a very difficult three years, an incredible three years and he goes on to say we're doing all this on the overhang of the worst financial crisis since the great depression, and an exple tiff, which he is sort of known for, it wasn't like all of this is happening in times. -- in good times. sosy talking about the stress of working in the white house and some of it came under the umbrella of saying we were handed a difficult situation. >> as somebody who relate toss exple tiffs as andrea knows, i was trying not to do that on this morning's show, but in any event, daley's job when he first came n. let's remember his big deal was to try to get this debt ceiling done and that required a lot of -- result a lot of tension

between him and congress, and andrea is exactly right, he was trying to bridge the differences between the business community, and look, the campaign message now is antibusiness. it's a pop u -- populist message. it doesn't necessarily fit bell with daley. martha: the bigger question is does it help the cause, is president obama going nobody a better position to be reelected because of this change, andrea. >> you know, if you look at what their strategy is now, it's to circumvent congress. i think they're bringing rosue in to maybe help temper down the feelings in the senate that they are being ignored. i do think this is a little bit of inside baseball. but you know, demoting somebody or shifting responsibilities now, it doesn't look good but in the end game i still think he's going to put his best people where he needs them. martha: one of the things said about this president is he's insular, he has a small group, that he doesn't reach out, he doesn't give a glad hand, he doesn't like to

chat with folks in congress or the business community. bob, is that a fair assessment do you think of this administration? >> yeah, i think it's a fair criticism. look, obama has always felt more comfortable with the people who brought him to the dance and that group of people, and with pluf coming back into the white house that completed the circle. so as he moves into campaign -- >> martha: so daley was outside the circle. >> that's right. he's in campaign mode for the people that brought him there. martha: and we'll catch you both on "the five". >> bob will watch his mouth, too! >> bill: there you go. >> will michael jackson's doctor spend any time behind bars? here is how he reacted the moment he learned his fate in court: >> we, the jury in the above entitled action find the defendant conrad robert murray guilty of the crime of involuntary manslaughter. bill: dr. conrad murray, guilty, and according to jackson's sister, his family could not be more pleased. >> what do you think of the

verdict? >> wonderful. absolutely, justice was served. michael was watching over us >> bill: murray now facing up to four years behind bars, but with a major overcrowding crisis in california prisons, that four year sentence is looking like a long shot. casey stegall in l.a. this morning, casey, what's next? >> reporter: bill, good morning. the judge will decide the sentence here. the jury's work is done. they will not have a role in this aspect of the case. the sentencing will happen at the end of this month, november 29th, to be exact, at 8:30 in the morning. you talk about overcrowding, bill. there is a new california law that is actually sending thousands of nonviolent felons to county jail versus prisons, and because the facilities are overcrowded in this state, those offenders are being released early or being put on house arrest instead. legal analysts have said all along that dr. murray would probably fall into that

category, but until that sentence comes down, murray is behind bars because judge michael pastor, calling him a threat. listen: >> dr. murray's reckless conduct in this case poses a demonstrable risk to the safety of the public, if dr. murray remains out of custody on bond, and even though dr. murray is a medical doctor and even though he has been practicing public safety demand that is he be remanded. >> reporter: now, the l.a. county sheriff's department telling fox news channel that dr. murray is segregated from the rest of the inmate population because of the high profile nature with this case. his attorneys say they will tale that verdict, bill. bill: we'll watch that appeal. what about pending civil matters? is that going to enter the picture, too, casey? >> reporter: absolutely. michael jackson's parents have already filed civil suits. they've named dr. murray in the wrongful death of their son. joe and katharine jackson have separate lawsuits.

joe's civil suit, targeting murray, as well as his businesses, seeking unspecified damages, and then katharine is going after murray and aeg, the music giant that was promoting m.j.'s "this is it" concert in london. you remember murray was hired by aeg and therefore katharine says they, too, should be held responsible. bill: casey stegall back on that story, live from los angeles, thank you. martha: let's get you a look at what's going on on the big board this morning, investors watching this really rocky situation in europe. you've got greece trying to deal with its issues and also now italy is on the horizon as a bigger problem in the future, so a modest gain, up 25 points on the open, but it's up over the 12,000 mark after an 85-point jump from yesterday. bill: moving from greece to italy and when they sneeze our market goes up or down. why is the u.s. government considering a $730 million loan to a russian company that's owned

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>> bill: what would the investigator find? >> i want to get to the bottom of this whole thing, and at the same time, i'm going pursue an effort to prevent this loan from happening and to kill this whole program. this strikes me as crony capitalism run amock. it's bad enough that taxpayers lose a half a billion dollars on this foolish green energy plan, that solyndra belly up should have been a good warning for us but new it's a whole new level, we're going to lend 3/4 of a billion dollar toss the second wealthiest man in russia, a multi billionaire so he can create a steel company to compete with american steel companies. how ridiculous can this get? >> bill: why would they do that? >> i'd like to find that out. bill: that's outside the bounds of logic. give me a theory or a suggestion. >> they've somehow come up with the idea that if taxpayers lend money to a foreigntory build a factory that that is somehow a good thing for us. never mind that, you know, we used to have a free

enterprise system. by the way, this company, the russian company, the russian multi billionaire who owns it, they have access to all the capital in the world, they can borrow money very affordably but perhaps not as affordably as this deal because we'd be subsidizing them with artificially low interest rates. bill: why not give that money to a steel company in pennsylvania? >> well, i'm not in favor of taxpayers giving out -- >> bill: what happened to buy american? >> i'm not in favor of taxpayers giving out money to private businesses. they need to learn to survive or fail on their own. but we certainly shouldn't be giving it to a giant russian steel company. this makes no sense. bill: some say it's worse than solyndra. are you in that category? >> yeah, i think they're both indefensible but this one is particularly offensive when you consider that it's the super wealthy russian individual and company that's going to get a taxpayer-subsidized loan and a taxpayer is on the hook for this 3/4 of a billion dollars. this makes no sense. bill: it's my understanding the money has not been given

out yet and it could be stopped in its tracks and in all likelihood will. is that your understanding? >> i'm not sure about the likelihood but i'm going to do everything that i possibly can to make sure it never happens. bill on another topic, you're on the expr committee and america is watching you like a hawk. with 16 days, 15 days i think according to law, we need to get this nailed down. do you think the supercommittee will get a deal? >> i hope so and i think it's certainly still possible. there's a majority of members of the committee who want to reach a deal and we're working hard at it. last night we were working until 8:00 in a very intense discussion, so we're going to stay at it and i hope we can accomplish something meaningful. bill: you say you think it's possible. that that is far from a guarantee, the way i hear it. >> i can't guarantee it. it certainly is possible. it's late in the game but the clock hasn't run out completely. we are not as far apart as we once were, i would suggest. but i can't guarantee that there's going to be an agreement.

bill: are democrats squeezing you to raise taxes? >> i don't want to get into the specifics too much, but i will acknowledge, there's a big fundamental divide. my democratic colleagues in congress, generally, and in particular, want much, much higher taxes and more in tax revenue, and myself and my colleagues think that the problem is overspending and that that's what we've got to deal with, so that is certainly the fundamental divide. bill: would they meet you half way if you reformed the tax code instead? >> i don't -- again, we've got an obligation to each other not to get too specific, but i can tell you i have said publicly and privately that the key to a success here is reforming the tax code, so that we can have strong economic growth, lower marginal rates, that generates the revenue that my friends on the other side of the aisle are so insistent upon and it generates the economic growth that i'm insistent upon, so i think that's the sweet spot of finding an agreement. bill: there's a lot on the line, six republicans, six democrats. there's a lot of personality in that room.

how are you getting along? >> there is, yeah. you know, i think it's been very civil, at times, it's been very lively exchanges, sometimes a little heated, but it's cooperative and civil. bill: my guess is you'll be working until the midnight hour on the 23rd of november. >> i think that's a safe bet, but i am determined to be home in time for the thanksgiving turkey. bill: my best to you and your family, senator pat toomy. >> thank you for having me. bill: go to foxnews.com/"america's newsroom", click on the box, bya, ask a question, shoot me a twitter, bill hemmer, because you asked, bya. we can talk about anything you like. it's your turn! martha: well, he is the man behind the arizona crack down law that sparked a national debate in this country on immigration, but after today, arizona state senator russell pierce may be out of a job. and take a look at this. >> storm chasers, getting

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>> less than 40 seconds remaining this, is the final round! it's a victory. bill: that was back when the whole family gathered around the tv on a saturday night to watch a heavy weight fight, right? martha: really exciting.

bill: former heavy weight joe frasier has died. mohammed ali said the world lost a great champion. i will always remember joe with respect and admiration. they fought three times, including the thrill ner manila, frazier became the first man to knock out ali in 1971, smoking joe frazier has left us at the age of 67. martha: well, there were terrifying moments after a tornado touched down in oklahoma. watch: >> wow that, is awesome! >> look how close they are! >> oh my goodness. it's still coming straight at us. >> i know. we're going to have to jump in the car. >> we should have gotten on the other side of it.

you want to chance it? >> we'll do it. we'll cross it and follow it back. >> no, no, no, it's going to cross right in front of us, we'll follow it back. martha: a little arguing there over which way to get around this massive thing! weather officials reported wind gusts of 70 miles per hour and hail bigger than 2 inches in diameter. while people have plenty of warning it did not make any of this less frightening. >> we saw on the channel nine weather that the tornado was going to hit about 4:55 so 20til 5:00, we ran down into the cellar and it got deathy quiet for three minutes and i told my wife, this is not good. >> i was taking video and dad and brandono brandon were tell -- were telling me it's too close. see thank excitement, it woke me up, it was like i got to do something, i got to get to the cellar. >> i didn't know what to expect coming out of the cellar. martha: wow! no major damage report -- reported thankfully but after an earthquake near the

state capitol, it's been a tough week in oklahoma. from storm chasers from oklahoma, reed, describe to us what happened here, what you saw. >> we saw a really strong tornado and it caught us by surprise, being november, and we have our armoured vehicle, the do -- dominator, and we moved in to intercept the tornadeo from the east and got into the eastern circulation and went to the north and we saw our friend who is very close to the tornado in his vehicle and he unfortunately snapped an axle and rolled but thankfully was okay. martha: talk to us a little about the hail and the role that it played in all of this. >> yeah, we saw baseball or larger sized hail out there and there's a lot of cold air lost this late in the season and that contributes to that really big hail and there are times we saw a quarter wide mile tornado on the ground with two-inch

diameter covering the ground like snow so it was definitely a very strong storm system and usually it's during october so, november is a little bit late. but it is tornado alley. martha: wow, those are really incredible pictures, just the color in them is so dramatic as you watch this. so you've got a big season finale coming up, right? >> yeah, yeah, the season finale is on thursday night at 10:00 p.m. eastern, coming up this week. but i think we may have anded the finale with yesterday was tornado but we still get an intercept up in nebraska. martha: great stuff, reed, thank you very much, stay safe and keep bringing us these amazing pictures. >> will do. bill: a live look at capitol hill now, eric holder set to face a grilling by republican lawmakers over fast & furious. will the attorney general ultimately survive this scandal? we will drop in on that. martha: stay tuned for that. plus, the cain train jumps the track a bit, the

republican candidate facing allegations of sexual harassment. >> he suddenly reached over and he put his hand on my leg, under my skirt, and reached for my genitals. he also grabbed my head and brought it towards his crotch. mr. cain said you want a job, right? >> martha: he says it's all a fabrication. sharon bailek in "america's [ male announcer ] cranberry juice? wake up! ♪ that's good morning, veggie style. hmmm [ male announcer ] for half the calories -- plus veggie nutrition. could've had a v8.

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martha: this is a fox news alert. she is the fourth woman to accuse herman cain of sexual harassment. her name is sharon bialek. she is the first woman to go public with her story leveling really the most serious allegations that we have heard in all of this so far. she claims that the frontrunner for the republican presidential nomination made unwanted sexual advances towards her when he was head of the

nationalestaurant association back in 1997. >> i want you, mr. cain, to come clean, just admit what you did. admit you were inappropriate to people. mr. cain, i'm more you, make this right so that you and the country can move forward and focus on the real issues at hand. martha: a lot of questions out there this morning about this story. we start a brand new hour of "america's newsroom" with that. i'm martha maccallum. bill: i'm bill hemmer. good morning. herman cain to set a news conference later today. we believe it will happen 5:00 east coast time and will address the allegations which he strongly denies. martha: i spoke with sharon bialek and her attorney gloria allred earlier this morning. welcome, ladies good to have you with us. it is very busy couple of days. sharon, first question for you. how did you and gloria connect? how do you find each other?

>> the person i was dating when this incident happened he called me and recommended that i go forward and contact gloria pause you have to be with the best. martha: this was your fiance? >> no, not my fiance say. this is the person from 14 years ago. martha: he reached out to you, out of the blue? >> he thought i might have been one of anonymous ones. martha: i see. >> i said that i wasn't but, i'm in a quandary here. help me out. what should i do? he thought the best thing to do was go forward with this. if i was going to do so i needed to get in contact with gloria. martha: so, gloria, you had not reached out to her in way? >> no, martha. i've practiced law for 36 years. i have thousands of people contact me. everyone of my clients is person who contacted me. so i never heard of sharon before this. martha: in terms of how this came about and why you decided to pursue it, there is lot of people who are looking at situation, well, why on earth would she wait? if this happened and so

upset about it why would you wait until now run forward. this is man is running for president of the united states you knew you could potentially be the straw that broke the camel's back, why? >> well, first of all, back then he wasn't, first of all mr. cain, i wasn't working for the national restaurant association at that point. so, in terms of any kind of recourse we weren't joined together in terms of any kind of relationship, working relationship. and i was embarrassed to be honest with you. it is not kind of thing people like to bring up. i told exactly two people what happened. they corroborated with my story. and i just, you know i just kind of wanted it to go away if you will. and then when, when i saw him running for president and i actually heard him speak and i was sitting in the audience, the thought kept running through my mind, oh, boy, i hope this man, i hope that nobody else had to have what happened to me. i really did. and i was going to keep mum and i wasn't going to say a

word. i was going to keep it inside me and other two people. then, when the other women came forward which they sort of did, really didn't and they couldn't speak or didn't want to speak, i had to do it. martha: people are looking at situation, say, she is coming forward for money. has anyone offered you any money in this situation? >> absolutely not. martha: do you plan to make any money off it? would you write a book, would you do interviews for money, based on this. >> this isn't why i came forward. martha: would you do it? >> i have to think about that. that is so far off the radar right now. right now my main goal, and it was initially too, is to get herman to speak. to get him to admit --. martha: why didn't you approach him personally then? why didn't you send him e-mail, letter, you should know i remember what happened and i'm going to come forward and talk about it? why didn't you do that. >> those kind of things usually don't end up in a good situation and, i thought it best to go through an attorney.

just what is going on now, you need protections. martha: you said you only want hill to come clean. you only want him to speak out say, what do you want him to say exactly? >> i want him to acknowledge that, at points in time in his life he has been inappropriate with i am with. i don't know what the others allegations are. i know what mine are. i know i'm speaking the truth. and that's what i want him to do, say, hey, i made some mistakes. we all make mistakes. america is such a --. martha: you expect that is what will happen when he comes out? is he going to say, there is lot of choices. he could say a, he never met this woman. i don't know who she is. he could say i met this woman. she obviously misinterpreted my intentions towards here. what do you expect he will say? what will he say? you will be hanging on every word today? >> sure. i'm sure he will acknowledge that he knows me because i don't think he can not because when i saw him at pcon in chicago at wind's

conference there he did acknowledge that he remembered me. for him to go back on that what he is doing now, which is not telling the truth. i think what he is going to say is he still going to deny it unfortunately. my hope of all hopes is that he won't. because i think he is being misguided by his people right now. i think they're giving him really bad advice. if he doesn't, there is probably, i hope then, if he doesn't, that there might be more coming out too. what the is that going to serve the purpose. martha: what would you call what happened to you in terms of, harrassment or, what would you call it? >> unwanted advanced. martha: unwanted advance. so you know, when i read to that i thought to myself, i'm sympathetic. we've all been in situations work place situations where the gray line is, you know, a little gray, okay? >> sure. martha: when i read this i think to myself i put myself in my shoes, would i get on train, go to visit this man, stay in hotel overnight,

have cocktails with him, go out to dinner and i thinking no, send him a letter and say may meet with you in your office. cocktails and dinner seems a strange way to have this meeting, to me. >> i'm glad you brought that up. first of all you have to understand i had an opportunity along with my then boyfriend to meet herman during the nra convention. we spent a lot of time with him. i had nothing but the utmost admiration for him. in fact when he got down with one of his speeches, i said when are you running for president? going there, why would i even think, you like to think the best in people. so i never thought anything, you know would transpire. why would i? he was a solid individual. martha: when he upgraded your room and you said you thought that was odd. that is your report that he up graded his room. at that moment, maybe say, look, i just want to make sure we're on the same page here. we're not on a date right now. >> no. again, he, he, i just thought he was being kind. martha: okay. >> why would, why would i

think anything differently? martha: i don't know. i think i would have thought it a little odd personally at that point. >> in retrospect we see what the pattern was. the point was. he met her boyfriend. he knew why she was there. it was to discuss a job. she thought the best of him. she didn't think he would be the kind of person that would act inappropriate. martha: my interpretation would be different. that was your interpretation. >> can i clear up win thing? martha: sure. >> when you asked i would go out to dinner with him. i did not suggest dinner per your point i would send him a letter. what i wanted to do have coffee with him. he asked me to let him know where i was staying. at that point he said, why don't we meet in the hotel lobby. martha: we have lot to talk about. not a whole lot of time is left. >> sure. martha: i do want to play this. this is his only reaction so far. he was on "jimmy kimmel" last night. obviously a comedy venue. the only place he so far responded to this in a serious way. i want to take a look at this and get your response. >> i'm sitting here and

they're watching me and they could see steam coming out of my ears and the feelings that you have when you know that all of this is totally fabricated. you go from anger, then you go, you get disdpusted. -- disgusted. you try to control yourself make sure you watch the thing all the way through it. i was listening very closely. when it was all over with, well, i know what we've got to do. martha: he says it is completely fabricated. >> well those comments about anger, frustration, steam coming out of your ear, yesterday when i went into this i was completely fine. as this day has progressed i'm feeling all those feelings that herman is feeling, the anger, frustration, only i know the truth and he is not telling it. martha: when these initial accusations from the other woman anonymous come out everybody looking for every political campaign who might behind with this who is trying to take it down from

these accusations. people want to know that from you. did any campaign contact you? >> no. martha: anybody looking into your financial past, there was bankruptcy, liens against you. these are things a lot of people in this country have to deal with unfortunately. one of the things you live in 505 north lakeshore drive apartment, right? this is the same building, happens to the same building david axelrod lives in. do you know david axelrod. ever have any interaction with him. >> i saw him in the gym. everybody nods to each other. it is friendly building. i never had any interaction. >> i might add she is registered republican. >> what they say about you gloria, you have supported democrats in the past. this is political vendetta. what do you say to that? >> martha, a month or two ago in new york held a news conference with my client, attacked congressman anthony weiner, a democrat for inappropriate sexual texting done to my client. my client said he should resign.

in the past i criticized president clinton for lying to the american people about the monica lewinsky issue. so whether, i am representing my client. i am a proud supporter of women's rights and of brave woman like sharon who stand up and break the silence and tell the truth. and that is, i don't care if the man is rich and powerful and famous, a politician. i don't care if he is democrat republican, libertarian or no got it party at all we will stand up for woman. martha: got it. sharon bialek thanks for coming in today. we appreciate it. interesting to talk with her this morning. what is also getting attention she talked about when she went to the tea party conference. there are reports she was very anxious to see him. she embraced him according to these reports. she seems relatively happy. bill: embraced him physically. martha: there are reports that she gave him a hug. hi, herman, how is it going. she wanted to see him if he remembered her, see in his eyes if he remembered her.

her behavior and demeanor seems not that unhappy in many ways about this. often someone coming forward they look upset about what was happened. granted it was 14 years ago. she dealt with it a long time if there is any truth. bill: she had her say. herman cain will have his say later today. we expect 5:00 eastern time, herman cain responding out of phoenix, arizona today where he is campaigning. martha: great. bill: great interview by the way. well-done there. 11 minutes past the hour. we find millions of americans are deciding state issues today that will certainly have national implications. arizona playsed a trail in immigration reform. several other states followed it. the driving force behind that law in arizona, facing rebellion in his own state. we'll talk to him live whether or not he can survive. martha: lawmakers calling on the super-committee to go big, folks. beyond the 1.2 trillion. they want them to go for four billion big ones. chuck schumer a leading

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martha: fox news alert. we are awaiting a news conference with penn state head football coach joe paterno. paterno could address these recent sexual abuse allegations against a member of his coving staff. the school's vp and athletic director are facing serious charges in all this. the police say they knew and failed to alert police about the actions of a former assistant football coach who allegedly was sexually abusing boys. this is picture of him being taken away from his home over the weekend. >> i think when you look at the totality of the circumstances here and the number of victims that we

have i don't think it would be beyond the realm of possibility that there are other victims that exist here. martha: boy, what a story this is. paterno previously released a statement. he said he is shocked and saddened by these allegations. again paterno could talk about the situation in his weekly football news conference. stay right here on fox. we'll bring that to you live. bill: meantime driving force behind arizona's landmark immigration crackdown facing a landmark recall. and whether or not a question today he will be voted out of office. republican russell pierce had a meet record i can rise as president of arizona state senate. now he is facing revolt even among some of his fellow republicans threatening him to make him the first state senate president in american history to be recalled. russell fierce is my guest this morning out of his home state. good morning to you. >> i'm doing great, thank you. i'm doing great. bill: what do you think? will you survive this. >> well, this all started with community organizers

out of our district over sb 1070. it is kind of disappointing. good people can disagree but this was brought about by the extreme far left with some republicans joining. two republicans in this race. one endorsed by the democrats, you know. and then me, who is endorsed by the republicans. it was republican nominee. there is no primary. this is going around the back door. we have primaries for a reason. so the party can nominate their candidate to stand election. that is not what is happening here. this is lot of money. moveon.org, seiu, afl-cio, tons of money coming in the back door to my opponent, a republican taking that kind of money. outrageous us. bill: do you win today? do you survive or not? >> it will be very close because he has all the democrats voting for him. actually, not all, reagan democrats are voting for me. democrats voting for him. doesn't take a lot of

republicans because we're fairly close district. but if people go to my web, russell pierce.com they get a little of that information. this is battle. not just about arizona, the nation. 34 states are modeling after sb 1070. let me tell you result you need to hear about enforcing our laws. phoenix just put out a press release, phoenix law enforcement association, crime rate is a 30-year low in phoenix. a 30-year low and attribute to sb 1070. bill: really, just past 12 months or so that number came down like that? >> well, that number has dropped like, a lead balloon. the impact it is having, started, give credit to sb 1070. actually started with employer sanctions which we won a supreme court decision on. more about states rights than anything else. bill: let me slow you down just a moment here. you say 34 states followed your lead.

of those 34 -- >> working on it. bill: are working on it right now. but several have already passed their own law and being challenged by washington. >> yes. bill: oklahoma, utah, alabama, south carolina. >> georgia. bill: who am i missing? georgia? >> georgia. and you're right. and it is a wave. the states have inherent constitutional police powers. this business of saying, blaming the federal government and sitting on sidelines being spectators is outrageous. states have inherent authority. i'm grateful. we changed the debate in washington, d.c. here. we'll continue to work until we can secure america, secure our borders. enforce our laws without apology in a compassionate way but without apology. laws without consequences are not laws at all. you have to enforce your laws. you will destroy this nation. bill: i heard what you said about the left but even some on the right suggest that you've given your state a black eye. now you can defend that in a moment here. in your view,. >> yeah. bill: if your law were

national, how would america be different? >> well look where they're fleeing from? illegal aliens, over 100, 150,000 fled arizona. they're fleeing alabama. fleeing georgia. fleeing south carolina. nobody is afraid of the federal government. they know the states are doing something. it would be better, more secure america. hear is the $2.6 billion a year to educate, and incarcerate illegal aliens. that is not okay. jobs taken from americans. 26 -year high for unemployment. we think it is okay for business to compete illegally immorally, unfairly against a honest business guy down the street? this is about write right and wrong. we're a nation of laws. and rob, a friend of mine, murdered on the border during debate sb 1070. 12 police officers murdered or maimed by illegal aliens. that is not okay. we'll continue the fight. i would ask for folks, make a plea across america to stay engaged in this battle, help me, russell sears

pierce.com. this is national issue, a national issue. bill: i'm out of time. we'll see how the vote goes in arizona. russell pierce. >> thank you. martha: voters head to the polls we'll tell you why today's ballots would have major impact on president obama and his run for the second term. larry sabato will read the tea leaves on this that one for us. bill: eric holder getting grilled by republicans on the fallout from "fast and furious". we'll have a live report what happened so far. listen to what happened when he answered questions in the month of may. >> you have to understand the way in which the department operates. although there are operations this one has become, has gotten a great deal of publicity. >> yeah, there are dead americans as a result of this failed and reckless program. so i would say that it hasn't gotten enough attention, has it, mr. attorney general?

martha: it is being called the slingshot into the 2012 elections, a key referendum vote in the a battleground state that serves as a test many think for president obama's re-election chances. ohio voters will weigh in on two critical issues the first one is on health care. the second is a law that cuts the collective bargaining rights for union employees. that controversial law sparked protest across the state and caused a lot of controversy in wisconsin of course. larry sabato, director of center for politics at the university of virginia. good morning, larry. food to see you as always. >> good morning, martha. martha: let's dig in here. let's take a look in terms of these ballot issues and these referendums? what stands out to you? what should we be watching? >> i think everybody across the country is watching issue two in ohio which is

the limits on collective bargaining law. that's because of course governor kasich, governor john kasich of ohio came into office with a mandate to get that done. he got it done. it's been challenged through a referendum. if it is turned back as the polls suggest it will be, it will strengthen labor, which in turn may strengthen president obama next year. let's remember, there is a year to go. a lot of time for memories to fade. but this will charge up and enthuse labor in the key state of ohio which almost always goes with the winner. martha: that's one of the biggest issues when it comes to union relationships with all these state budgets. let's move onto the presidential candidates here. this one i thought was very interesting that came out this morning. this is a "washington post", "wall street journal", excuse me, nbc poll. this is the first time i've seen romney break out like this. 28% in november versus 23% in october . what do you think is driving that?

>> well, romney has always been the remainder candidate. he's, he doesn't generate the enthusiasm that other candidates do but he's broadly acceptable in terms of beating president obama. most republicans think that he would have the best chance to beat president obama in november. i think that's what is benefiting him along with the fact that his opponents seem to be getting in trouble one by one. martha: let's take a look at some of these numbers. president obama versus mitt romney. this is interesting, because the president beats him very solidly 49-43 in this poll. they were closer in october. the president seems to be moving forward in that poll. look at other one which is herman cain versus president obama. that is not good for for herman cain. he is 38 in both of these. the support for the president is what is rising here, larry. >> yes, martha. but you know, the polls are like the weather. if you don't like the numbers, just wait a few

hours, there will be another poll with different numbers. the polling averages actually have president obama and mitt romney tied. you average out all the polls together. you can never take a single poll as being sacrosanct, as being the ultimate measure of what is going to happen. and i should also add president obama is just barely ahead in the averages of several other republican candidates. so on the whole you always look to where the incumbent is. he is under 50% in job approval. under 50% in matchups with the key republican candidates. that's what's important. not an an individual poll. martha: good lesson from the professor today. thank you so much, larry. always good to see you. >> thanks, martha. bill: eric holder right now is facing the music on "fast and furious". there he is is on the hill before that committee. what will he say about what he knew and when he knew it? and ultimately can he survive this? we'll find out. martha: we just spoke

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martha: attorney general eric holder is facing lawmakers right now on capitol hill on questions about operation if's and furious. that of course is the botched federal gun running operation that put high-powered weapons into the hands of mexico's most dangerous criminals. the congressional committee demanding answers and what the attorney general knew about the program and when he knew it. this is holder from moments ago. >> as guns that were lost during this operation continued to show up at kraepb crime scenes both here and in mexico. this should never have happened, and it must never happen again. to insure that it will not, and after learning about the allegations raised by atf acts involved with fast and furious, i took action. martha: he is defending his position on all of this under a lot of pressure. will william la jeunesse has

been working on this. he's live in los angeles. >> reporter: four republican senators will attack holder. grassley, sessions, cornie and hatch. top justice officials knew it was untrue. holder blames congress for not passing morey strict tiff gun laws, specifically a requirement that gun stores report anyone who buys more than one rifle. >> i am determined to insure that our shared concerns about operation fast and furious lead to more than headline-grabbing washington gotcha games and cynical political point scoring. we have serious problems to address and we have sacred responsibilities to fulfill. >> reporter: today was the first time that i heard holder give the whistle blowers any credit. so far justice has claimed that this was a lame idea cooked up

exclusively by one rogue attorney and agents in phoenix with no prior approval from washington who help -d smuggle guns over the mexico border. republicans don't buy that and will try to prove, martha otherwise. martha: in proving otherwise they are no doubt going to reference the emails that had holder's name as one of those that they were sent to and the dates of when he understood what was going on, right? >> reporter: well, they do not have a smoking gun document. they don't have the email to or from holder that explicitly says the u.s. helped smuggle guns to mexico. what they do have is contradictory statements from holder and his aids. documents that suggest he did or he should have known about the operation and briefings to his inner circle that indicate they did know what happened but they chose not to stop it. today republicans will attack holder number one on the timeline when he learned about

the guns, and brian terry's murder, number two, that it was impossible that doj did not know that they were walking guns because they approved that wiretap application buy is very specific. and number three of other gun walking operations in texas, where the atf did not go and land on these bad guys when they witnessed gun buying and allowed them to buy weapons that later killed ice agent jaime zapata. martha: thank you so much. william la jeunesse. greg: a bi-partisan group of 100 lawmakers sending a message to the super committee. that message is go big. they say the committee should aim for $4 trillion in deficit reduction and not 1.2 trillion. two of the men who signed that letter are with me now. new york congressman michael grim, a republican and member of the house financial services committee. tim cooper, a memorandum pwefr the oversight and government reform committee. gentlemen, it's an honor to have goat both of you.

mr. grim, why did you sign the letter? what was the message there? >> i think it was the reason i what's elected to congress. the people on both sides of the aisle want us to deal with this debt, and admiral pheupbl even said this imullen said this is the number one problem for the united states, the number one threat is this unbelievable burden of debt. we have to answer the call of the people and step up and do what need to be done. i realized in my ten months the only way we'll do this is by working together. let's sit down at the table, let's put politics aside, put our country first and deal with the debt problem. greg: mr. cooper you said you were hoping for a miracle. is it that dire in. >> we are trying to give the super committee a backbone. i'm proud to work with my friend across the aisle to try to do that. we have to face the debt problem. my colleague is exactly right. it's been festering a long, longtime. now is the time for the super committee to take bold action.

it should ab $4 trillion solution just to stabilize the problem. greg: looking for backbone. senator schumer was asked about this. i don't know if you heard it but i'll play it for you and ask you both about it. roll it. >> reporter: . >> you don't do any revenues you won't get the grand bargain to get the deficit down. bill: what he's saying is that if you don't get a deal you can blame republicans mr. grim. >> again, i think that is the partisan rhetoric that is not furthering -- bill: that's what you just said you don't need. what is your message to mr. schumer. >> very simple. let's talk the rhetoric. i will talk about anything. i'm not agreeing for any specific proceed investigates. provision. >> let's put every single then on the table, put our country first. i've done that, i've been in undercover come pwarbgts i've been an uncover fbi agent.

it's about saying what is more important, re-election or our country. everyone who is signing this letter is willing to do that. this is a huge problem we have to deal witness. we have to put our country first. bill: if this fails do you blame republicans like senator shaoeurpl? >> it's very important to read the letter. he actually agrees with schumer more than he's admitting on television here. it's important that we not fight over thaoeurbs use, that we encourage a bold solution and a bold solution will really have everything on the table. it should be a balanced approach with everything on the table. we've got to come up with something, and there are only a few days left, otherwise the country will suffer. let's put our partisanship aside, focus on the real issues. it should be spending cuts that are huge and predominant and also some revenues. we can do this. we must do this and we only have until november 23rd to get it done. bill: mr. grim do you want to respond to that? >> where i do disagree with senator schumer is about

pointing fingers at all. bill: respond to mr. cooper here who says you're talking two different ways. >> no i don't think we are talking two different ways as all. everything should be on the table so we can at least have the conversation. it doesn't mean that i'm asking my colleague mr. cooper or anyone to agree with my position. what i'm saying is let's at least have the honest decision without the rhetoric of politics and without the optics of politics. bill: i think the american people are calling for that. >> i understand that's why i what's elected. bill: congressman cooper, thanks to you as well. there are other ways to do this. we'll see whether or not in the next 16 days it happens that w way. martha: you wear that open microphone. nicholas sarkozy was caught on tape talking to president obama and wait until you hear which world leader he called a liar and says he can't stand. bill: herman cain's accusor has spoken. it's time to hear from herman

cain and we will later today. steven cain is here with what he thinks will happen today. and sharon bialek says what she wants to hear. >> i think what he's going to say is he's still going to deny it unfortunately. my hope of all hopes is that he won't. companies you're just a policy. at aviva, we're bringing humanity back to insurance and putting people before policies. aviva life insurance and annuities. we are building insurance around you. and who ordered the yummy cereal? yummy. [ woman ] lower cholesterol. [ man 2 ] yummy. i got that wrong didn't i? [ male announcer ] want great taste and whole gin oats that can help lower cholesterol? honey nut cheerios.

martha: fox news alert. she has her side of the story to tell, and now herman cain will address the claims from his latest sexual harassment accusor, and that is going to happen later this afternoon, 5:00 eastern time. i sat down with the woman earlier today, sharon bialek is her name for her first fox news interview, and i asked her, what do you expect herman cain will say when he goes out there today. and shear is what she said. >> i think what waoes going to say is he's still going to deny it unfor the in the leave. my hope of all hopes is that he won't, because i think he's

being misguided by his people right now. i think they are giving him really bad advice, and if he doesn't there is probably, i hope then, if he doesn't, that there might be more coming out too. martha: steven hayes is a weekly writer at the weekly standard and a fox news contributor. it's good to have you here tod today. he said it's almost impossible for herman cain to overcome this. what do you think? >> i agree with bret. one of the problems that herman cain faces, maybe the chief problem he faces is people were attracted to him because of his likability. this is a guy who had a big smile on his face. he talked like the antipolitician or nonpolitician he is. people were drawn to him. there is a kind of magna advertise eupl about herman cain. both in person or when you saw him in debates or giving a speech. what the growing scandal suggests, is that people will

take a second look an may not be as likable as he was before. people have been willing to suspend some of the concerns he has or questions they have about herman cain as a presidential candidate. the fact that he can't speak fluid lee about afghanistan, he trips over some issues, because they like him so much and admire what he has done to the republican race. adding tax reform is a major issue. these done a lot of good to the race. this has grown so serious it's very difficult for him to address. martha: you look back at bill clinton and the accusations leveled against him. it was a mess, all the stuff that came out. what you're getting out in the underlying questions about herman cain, the foreign policy issues and the other gaffes that have happened, perhaps together when you take it in total it starts to become a less attractive future for him, perhaps. who knows, we'll see. >> right, i think that is his main problem today. if you're -- starting today at

his press conference later this afternoon today looking forward the real challenge i think for herman cain is to say to people, look, don't listen to what you've heard and please, judge me based on what i'm saying about policy, what i'm saying about substance. this is an important time in the life of the country and i'm here to address serious and substantive issues. his problem is when he's done that in the past he's not been able to do so in a compelling way on certain issues, particularly foreign policy and national security issues. i was somebody who liked his tax plan even though i thought it needed tinkering and admired him for having made it an issue. it was incredible to me that we went as long as we went in a republican primary without tax reform being an issue. the reason it was an issue is because herman cain wer was saying the kind of things that people were thinking about across the country. martha: i asked her what she thought he was going to say. she said she thought he would denight. he probably needs to acknowledge he met her along the way.

then it becomes a he said she said about what happened in the car. he can clearly just say it's not true. maybe it isn't true. i've got a million -- not a million but lots of tweets coming in here from people saying, you shupbtd even have her on, she is falsely accusing him. it's a tricky line that is being walked here with all of this. >> it really is. i thought you handled the interview quite well. you were tough and a. greta: euf without being disrespectful. what surprised me to a certain extent is i thought she had an answer to a lot of your questions. i didn't think that would likely be the case when i sat down to listen to it. i thought she had a reasonable explanation. really the problem i think for herman cain at this point is you've had several people raise similar kinds of allegations, some of who did it contemporaneously and some of them bringing things up now. it would be horrible to think that this wasn't true and he's being subjected to this kind of intense grilling if all of this was just made up. but i think in the mind of

voters you're going to have enough questions having been raised from enough different people that it's going to give them pause. martha: a lot of people get riled about gloria allred. when you look back at her pass, the anthony weiner person, the tiger woods person it was all substantive in context. thanks for weighing in on this today. you have a big show coming up at 6:00pm eastern. we'll feature newt gingrich as part of the center seat series that's been fantastic. the entire special report team will be back at 11pm eastern for special election coverage that we'll all be watching. bill: it is a big day for millions of americans. a lot of things out there. jenna lee is on "happening now" in ten minutes. jenna: it was a great interview that martha did with the woman who is coming out with the new allegations against presidential candidate herman cain. we'll talk to karl rove about what it means to the republican field if anything right now. we'll talk to a new cain advice pwer these claims.

they say she is lying. and this is ahead of the press conference a little later on today. attorney general eric holder as you've been mentioning expecting to take tough questions on operation fast and furious on capitol hill. we'll bring our viewers all the breaking news of the day. see you in ten minutes. bill: we'll bring you what is relevant in a moment as the hearing continues. french president nicholas sarkozy and president obama talking about a key world leader. they thought the conversation was private. guess again. which american ally were they talking about? find out after this. my name is jill strange,

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hearing withhold hold the attorney skwrerpb look int general looking into fast and furious now. at the heart of this discussion

is what the attorney general knew and when did he know it. he was testifying back in the spring in may and said he only heard about fast and furious in the past weeks or so. the senators want to find out whether that was the truth or whether it came up earlier. here is senator grassley doing some questions a moment ago. listen carefully. >> this document was supposed to be so sensitive that you refused to provide it to congress, but then someone provided it to the press. the name of the criminal suspect in the document was deleted, but the name of the atf agent was not. this looks like a clear and intentional violation of the privacy act, as well as an attempt at whistle-blower retaliation. >> in response to your question -- >> you understand that i told you over the phone conversation, if you wanted me not to ask this question, that i said, have your staff inform my staff, because i work very closely with my staff, and give the details so that i

would know that this would be an inappropriate question to ask at this hearing. bill: senator grassley has been leading this charge in many ways on that committee. in this hearing what the attorney general said as to the timeline and the date, whether it was a few weeks or a few months, he said operation if's and furious, he heard about it this year. in my testimony i did say a few weeks, i probably could have said a couple of months. he went onto say, i do not think that was inaccurate based on what happened. so, so far in 55 minutes of testimony that's one of the main headlines. martha: in the meantime the french president landing in some pretty hot water this morning over inflammatory remarks that he allegedly made about israel's prime minister, apparently over heard telling president obama that he quote, can't stand benjamin netanyahu. leland vittert is live in jerusalem. >> reporter: martha it's very clear where we've all had those moments where the mike is open and you don't know about it.

this one is pretty big. here is how it went down. french president called the prime minister of israel a liar and said he can't stand him. president obama who is standing there doesn't stand up for the prime minister of israel but rather says, you're fed up with him, i have to deal with him every day. it's in the a secret that prime minister benjamin netanyahu and the french president, or for that matter the u.s. president have a contentious relationship. this certainly shows that things have deteriorated in a very significant way and the timing could not be worse as israel is getting more and more isolated. we're talking about week about israel possibly bombing iran. the thought that the united states and france do not view tphetd net has an honest broker is a real problem. martha back to you. martha: a lot of tensions provoked by this. thank you, leland. bill: moments away, karl rove on herman cain, that is next. ♪ we're centurylink... a new kind of broadband company committed to improving lives with honest, personal service, 5-year price lock guarantees and consistently fast speeds.

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bill: couple big things coming up today, right? paterno talking in an hour at penn state. herman cain talking later this afternoon. we'll se