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on tv in a second. >> last word? >> i think newt is great. the policy change every week and somebody might be the next frontrunner next week. >> okay. don't miss greta. see you tomorrow night. tonight she's the woman everyone has been wait to go hear from, mrs. gloria cain. now for the first time she goes public about the sexual harassment accusations against her husband, herman cain. but that's not all. tonight you will meet many members of the cain family but first here's gloria cain. >> mrs. cane, thank you for doing this. >> thank you for having me. >> you aren't nervous, are you? >> very. >> well, don't me. >> all right. >> let's do this. let's start with the painful stuff and then let's move to the fun stuff. >> okay. that's good. >> all right. i have seen in the past two weeks you have seen all the accusations. >> yes, i have. >> your thoughts? >> the first week and a half i
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think i was in shock because i didn't see it coming. there were such ugly things said, and i kept thinking who are these people talking about? this isn't herman. after about a week and a half of watching the news and everybody having an opinion, i decided not to watch any more news. and at that point i could tell my spirits started to lift. and i know the person that he is, and i know that the person that they were talking about, i don't know who that person is. and we've been there for 43 years. and if i haven't seen parts of that person in 43 years, i don't think i'm that simple that i would miss something that significant. so after about a week and a half
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of listening, i decided, okay, enough is enough. everybody has an opinion, but they don't know herman. >> how did you first hear about it? did mr. cain sort of give you a tipoff that this stuff is coming? >> i think -- what was it? that sunday night he mentioned something in passing. there may be a news story coming out, i'm not sure, and it deals with sexual harassment. and i'm thinking, well, it's just hear say or whatever. and then on the news that night i started seeing the actual story, and it started to snowball. so at that point i really didn't know what hit me at that point, but it started that sunday night when the news story first hit the media. that was my first knowing about it.
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>> did you at any point in the week or two weeks that followed, pull him aside and cross-examine him, okay, herman, what's the really story, did you do this or not do this? >> yes, of course, because i wanted to know are there any accusations, do you remember any of these people, do you remember anything happening that was considered sexual harassment or what? he kept saying no. he told me about the first lady who made the accusations through the national restaurant association. for some reason that rang a bell because years ago, i think when he first mentioned something about there was some accusations of harassment. and i said, oh, well, is there anything to it?
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no. and from that point on i think the next thing he said was the accusations were deemed not reliable or unfounded. they were unfounded, and that was the end of that. that was, what, 15 years ago? and from that point on we had never even said anything else about it. so it was totally a shock. and the thing that i couldn't understand even with that, if a person is so hurt or traumatized because of something you alleged happened to you, why would you wait 15 years to say something about it? i think if it were me, i would have to say something right
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away. i couldn't live with something that hurt me to that extent. so when he said it was unfounded and we didn't speak anything else about it, it was said and done. it was just done. >> then there was a second one, it's a much more graphic allegation of essentially of a woman coming to washington. >> now that one i totally don't believe. i watched her on the news that day because i wanted to hear her specific allegations. and the things that she was saying, i'm sitting there thinking you weren't in the car with herman. i don't know where you have been, but i know herman cain, and i know he has -- he has
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always had too much respect for women to treat them in any type of negative way. that wasn't a part of his being. we dated for a year. we were engaged for a year. we've been married for 43 years. he is so -- i guess if you understand what old school is, of that generation where men still wanted to open the doors for women. and if we are walking along the street, he wants me to walk on the outside next to the curb. it's not just me, it's any woman he's walking with because old school people think they are supposed to be women protecters. so if anything is going to happen, if mud is going to get thrown on them, if a car is going to go out of control, he's the type of person who would
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rather be there and get hit first rather than have the woman walking on the outside. he's always been that type person. so to hear such graphic allegations and know that that would have been something that was totally disrespectful to her as a woman, and i know that's not the person he is. he totally respects women. >> is there any chance, and i have to ask you the question, women always think their husband -- the very public thing with the wives of all the years, they have a family and there's another side of them off to the side where they have some extracurricular activity? >> no, because his conscious would bother him. his conscious would bother him and he couldn't look me straight in the eye. and i can usually tell if there's something wrong. it was like, well, i was
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supposed to be such and such a place, whatever. his conscious bothers him to the point that he would say something to me. so, yes, i know the type of women that you are thinking about, that the little woman at home is the last to know, but i never see myself as being the little woman at home, and i've always said when i've seen stories like that, i will not be one of those people who will stand up on stage with a smile and knowing that you were wrong. i'm not going to do that. so you know not to do anything wrong because you will be there by yourself. so he knows how i feel. i seriously in my soul don't think he's that type person. >> how has it been on the family? you've got kids, grandchildren.
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>> my daughter was angry, but she knows her dad also. he's an outgoing person, but he's always been very respectful of people. so everybody who knows him knows he's outgoing. that's different from being disrespectful or having any type of harassing natures. my son, it was that monday night before he even saw the story, and he texted me to this is ridiculous. this is just very ridiculous. and he says to me when do you get your chance to tell your side of the story so you can shut this down? they know him also. people who have been around him know him. >> you have been married a long time. troubles in your marriage? and i hate to ask this, but
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that's the -- it's a long marriage. and it's a good thing it's a long marriage. >> yeah. yeah, there have been troubles, there have been times when -- and when people always say i have been happily married for 43 years, i usually tell them that's not true. we have loved each other for 43 years. he's happy sometimes, i'm happy sometimes. the times when he makes me angry, i'll go to another room. the times when he makes -- when i make him angry, he will go to another room. so we have the times when we don't agree, but we eventually talk about what the situation is and at that point we still may not agree, but we leave it alone. it's like, okay, you have your opinion and i have mine, and we move on. >> but you never split up or separated or anything like that?
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>> no, no. no. >> in terms of watching all this unfold, does it make you dislike the process? >> extremely. extremely because it made me realize you can live your whole life trying to be respectful, trying to be faithful, trying to have faith, just trying to treat people right, and anyone can come from anyplace and say whatever they want to say about you. the problem with that is there are people who will believe that person over you. and to know that you are being honest and you are telling the truth, and then you have to try to prove that you are telling the truth, that's probably one of the worse feelings that a
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person can have, to be telling the truth and then have to try to prove you are telling the truth all because someone can come and say anything they want to about you. and that can happen. if it happened to us, it can happen to anyone, and that's sad. >> how do voters know whether to believe the women or mr. cain in any of this? >> i think they have to look within themselves. and you have to get to a point of relying on your own instincts. and just coming to a decision on your own. i don't know if those people will of be able to be 100% sure. since all of this has happened, i've been out around in my neighborhood and people who know me and who know herman, you can
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still get this little feeling that they are even wondering, well, could this be true? and that's a very hurtful thing. and people don't realize that when you throw -- when those people threw mud on herman, they didn't think about the fact that you are throwing mud on the wife or the spouse. you are throwing mud on the children. and we all have to endure what you are doing and it's worse when you know that some of the things that these people are saying, no. >> is there any part of you that wonders whether there's a little piece that this could be true? >> no. because i keep going back to in the beginning i started thinking in my mind could i have missed something? but then i always go back to the
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beginning. no, i'm not missing anything. i know herman. i know him. now there was one other thing, and i'm one of those people, and i have this thing of putting the pieces together. so it's like the power of deduction. i looked at especially this last lead and the things that she said, and i'm thinking he would have to have a split personality to do the things that she said. and i hadn't even mentioned it to herman. i said had anyone mentioned the fact that -- and i know to some people it won't make a difference, but it makes a difference to me -- no one has mentioned the fact that during that time when herman was working with the national
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restaurant association, he had a little lead who was his assistant, and she loved mr. cain. she just loved mr. cain. this lead was an ordained minister. and they used to get in discussions concerning scripture. they just had this way of just being able to connect with each other on a spiritual level, along with the business level. see, this is another thing about when people throw allegations around, with me saying this, there will be some people who will take very innocent comments, and if your man is going towards that gutter mentality, they will always be able to try and put some type of gutter meaning to whatever you
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are saying, no matter what you are saying, their minds will always go back to that type of mentality. but this little lead was a true christian. like i said, she was an ordained minister. and like i say, you would have to have a split personality. you would have to feel not any guilt whatsoever to be able to do the things that this woman accused him of doing and then have this lead who he knew was an ordained minister, it's like those two things just -- i don't think the average person, i don't think anyone would be able to function on a playing field like that. this type mentality on this side and this type -- no, i don't believe it. >> after the first one -- but after the second one, rather, when the more graphic descriptions came out, did you confront him about that one and
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say what's up with that one or not? >> no. >> did he say anything to you? >> no. i heard his comments with his news conference. >> you didn't and him -- the two of you together, you didn't and him? >> no. because i listened to what she said and i'm thinking, no, i'm sorry, that's -- some of the things that you are saying about him, that's not herman. so, no, i didn't and him about that and i'm not being naive. >> straight ahead, our conversation with gloria cain continues and it's getting personal. you will hear intimate details about her marriage of 43 years and how she first met mr. herman cain. you will only see it right here and it's happening. there's news tonight in the battle over president obama healthcare overhaul. this is going to have a giant impact on you.
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>> mrs. herman cain, gloria, is speaking publicly for the first time and she's telling you about her 43 year marriage to mr. herman cain only right here on the record.
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once again, here's gloria cain. >> has it been exciting to be married to herman cain or exhausting? >> exhausting. >> that's what it sounds like. >> exhausting. even now, exhausting. [laughter] >> would he be a good president? >> i think he would. i think he would be a great president. >> you think he would? >> yeah. yeah, i think he would. i think he would try to make a difference. he would. that's the one reason he's doing this. and if i didn't understand that, i would not agree with it. i know it's his way of trying to make a difference. >> have you of thought about living in the white house in that bubble. >> sometimes i let my self go there, but then i try to pull myself back in that i don't want to start projecting too far in
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the future because then i would worry more so i try to take one day at a time. and in that way if or when that happens, then i have faith that the lord will have me ready to do whatever i need to do that's going to help him. >> be tough? >> at times. >> strong? >> at times. >> tell me, how old were you when you met herman cain? >> i think maybe 18, 19. >> do you remember the first time you saw him? >> yes. >> did you think he was cute? >> he was okay. >> just okay? >> he was okay. [laughter] >> just okay? >> he was okay. >> well, what was the problem? i mean a guy that's just okay, i got to tell you, i don't think
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okay is -- >> i think maybe i had a boyfriend at the time. >> who was not okay, who was better, right? >> at that point, but he fell by the way side too. >> so herman cain was just okay? >> he was okay. he was nice, but i wasn't interested in meeting someone at that time. >> where did you meet him or where did you see him. >> his family, his father owned a little neighborhood grocery store and herman worked part-time i think during college at the store. i had a very good friend from church who happened to live down the street from the little grocery store. that weekend my friend was having a party and she wanted me to stay overnight with her. so that particular day, earlier
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in the day we were walking down the street. she had a letter to mail. the mailbox was really across the street from this little store. so we are walking down the street and he is standing out on the corner in front of the store because there were no customers at that point, with his hands in his pocket and just happy-go-lucky. and when my friend started to talk with him she said i want you to meet my little sister. and he wanted to know your little sister? she said, yes, this is the little sister i've been trying to introduce you to. she did not tell him she referred to me as her little sister because i was a year younger than she was. so she just referred to me as her little sister but we were about the same height, same weight and everything. so he at that point became interested.
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so this is little sister? so he starts talking, and i'm thinking who is he? why is he talking so much? she introduced us. we talked a little bit. we went back to her house. that night we had -- that she had the party, i was there, herman was there. i was introduced to a friend of theirs who was already attending the school i was about to start attending. so i'm interested in talking with her, and herman is interested in talking with me. it's like why is he still talking? why doesn't he just go away? but he kept talking, and he kept talking. it's like, okay, i think for the next year he would drop by my
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school. if i saw him on the other side of the bridge it's like why is he here? why does he keep showing up? he just talked all the time. and i just did not like that. so i avoided him. >> did you know he was deliberately doing this? did you clue in that he was obviously interested in you? >> i kind of new but i wasn't interested in him. >> at all? >> at all. but i think this went on for about a year. and the following year at christmas, i think a friend gave him my phone number and he called. we must have talked on the phone for two hours. and at that point i appreciated the personality. he was smart. he always just had this laughing, bubbly personality. and i got to understand more
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about him. i thought at one point he was egotistal. that's one reason i didn't want to be bothered with him. but after talking with him after two hours on the phone, i'm like, no, that's not ego, that's more confidence than ego. and we at that point set a date to go to a movie and get something to eat, and from that point on we started dating. >> coming up, mr. herman cain joins his wife and tells but that first date. and the children and the grandchildren all go on the record. a rare glimpse of the cain family. that's next. and also, it is about to happen. the showdown at the united states supreme court over president obama's healthcare law and timing could be key for president obama. florida attorney general pam bondi is here.
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the other good news ? i held on to your coffee. wow. ♪ nationwide is on your side ( laughing ) it's actually a pretty good day whenou consider. that's great. >> she said he talked to much. she joked that her candidate husband just talked to much. now mr. herman cain joins his rife to go on the record. and you are about to meet the rest of the family, too. >> mr. cain, i'm glad you joined us. i learned two things about you today, number one is your persistence. >> yes. >> you pursued her. didn't sound easy. >> no. >> and you talk to much. >> yes, i have been accused of
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being articulate. >> articulate? >> yes. but that was what she reminded me of when we first met which is why it took a year before i could get a date. i didn't know to stop talking. so finally we got there. >> i grilled her, too, on the recent stuff that's come out. >> right. >> she believes you. >> yes. >> she's behind you. >> yes. one-two hundred percent. >> two hundred percent? >> absolutely no doubt in my mind and that's one of the most confident thing about going through all this if your family had doubts in you about the stuff being shown on tv it would really be crushing and i would really have to ask myself could i go on. but i know my family believes me because they know me, as she said. they know me. that's very comforting. >> what was did you hung around the school for like a year and you are almost like a stalker while she's trying to go to school. >> right. >> and you talk to much. >> right. >> and you are persistent until
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you had a conversation that changed on the phone. what was it -- what did you like about her? >> well, i did not have a steady girlfriend. she was in college. i was in college. >> you sound like a reject at this point. >> no. >> here we go. >> no, i did not have a steady girlfriend. >> one of many? >> she didn't tell you when we went on that first date, that very first date, i didn't date anybody else from that point on, neither did she. we knew then, i had scheduled my christmas dating list for the week, and i cancelled all of them after i took her out that first time. >> where did you take her? >> we went to a movie. >> what movie, do you remember? >> charleston heston, number one. >> you both remember? >> yeah, charleston heston, number one. >> put your arm around her, once or twice. >> maybe once or twice, didn't try to get fresh, not on the
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first date. but she would tell you this too, i didn't have a lot of money. in fact i had just enough money to buy the tickets to the movie, i did buy some popcorn and a coca-cola, and afterwards i said would you like to go and get something to eat? she said yes. i'm going, i'm in trouble now. i didn't have any money in my pocket. >> why did you and that then? >> well, that's the -- that's the gentlemanly thing to do. but get this, she bailed me out. we go to this drive-in burger king place called the split tea, wasn't that the name of it? >> i think so. >> the polittee. i had a couple more dollars left so i'm thinking to myself, and they would wait on you at the car. a guy comes over, do you know what you want to order yet? i said no, not yet. the guy would go and he would come back. and i would go do you know what you like? and she said i'm not really that
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hungry. okay. i took the ticket off the car, took her home. saved me that time. she said we can just go, we don't really have to stay. >> you are shaking her head. >> but all during the movie i'm sitting there thinking i'm so hungry, i will be happy when this is over and we can get something to eat. i know i want a hamburger and some french fries and i'm thinking okay, the movie is over, we were going to get something to eat. then i tried to be cute and not seem greedy. and when he said, well, would you like something to eat? i thought i would at least make it sound nice, i'm not that hungry, and he says, okay. so i'm thinking what just happened? >> who is the disciplinarian for the kids growing up in the family. >> i think i was more so because he traveled. >> yep. >> and the one or two times he disciplined them with our daughter, all he had to say was
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i'm going to spank you, and she would fall out crying. her feelings would be -- >> is in the one turning 40? >> yes. >> so he never really spanked her. >> you don't believe what she did to you. >> tell my age. >> can you believe that she did that to you? can you believe she did that to you on tv? >> mom through you under the bus. >> okay. >> anyway, nice to meet all of you. but is this fun for you or painful going through the whole process? >> it's exciting. it's an experience. >> your mother said your father talked too much. [laughter] >> we are immune to it. that's what it is. >> you learn to listen well. >> you listen? >> we listen well.
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>> who is the disciplinarian between the two? >> probably both. >> really? >> see, i would have thought your father would be a push-over for you. >> it was both. it was both. >> who is this sneaking into the picture? >> we've got one more. bring them all in. who is this? >> come on in. that is preston. nicknamed bam bam. >> and. >> sawsalina. >> how old. >> twelve. >> carol. >> i'm not going to ask you your age. >> you guys are on television. this whole campaign is sort of a shock? >> kind of shocking. >> shocking. >> all right. >> but it's interesting. definitely interesting. >> positively shocking. >> in what way? >> because you never know what is going to happen from day-to-day. >> are you interested in politics? >> we are now.
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[laughter] >> anyway, thank you all very much for spending the day with us. it will be an interesting campaign. >> yes, it is. >> and there will be good times and bad times. >> yes. >> fun times and not so fun times. >> yes. >> but never dull. >> thank you so much. >> thank you. >> coming up, what we've been waiting for, so many supreme court cases have nothing to do with you, but this one, it's all about you and you care about this one big time and we are going to tell you about it. that's next.
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before the november, 2012 election, which must make a lot of politicians nervous, including president obama. the supreme court could make its biggest political impact since it's bush versus gore ruling. florida attorney general pam bondi joins us. good evening. i suppose it's no surprise the supreme court is taking this place? >> no, greta. as we've always said we have been extremely hopeful hoping they would take the case because it is of great national importance. >> i hear both sides saying i am confident i will win and i look at this case and i was confident it would go to the supreme court to be decided on constitutionality, but i don't know how in the world anyone could possibly jump in those nine justices heads and determine which way they will fall on this one? >> well, of course that can't be done. but, you know, no one can any longer say that this challenge
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is not serious by the amount of time the supreme court allocated to hear this case and the speed in which they took the case shows the incredible importance to the country. so we are very optimistic and we are very pleased. and in our opinion they gave us what may be an unprecedented amount of time this term for a modern day supreme court. >> but five and a half hours devoted to arguments, i've never seen anything remotely like that but usually it's an hour on each side. >> that's right. >> here's a thing i find particularly annoying, this case should have been up before the supreme court a year ago. instead all this money has been expended, all these justices and all the circuits have excellent of lot of time, their clerks and everything and the white house refused to expedite it. they refused to use rule 11 to
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reach down of. and the kicker today the white house spokesperson said after fighting expedited review, we are pleased that the court has agreed to hear this case. that's a big, fat lie. that's a lie. they don't want that case there. >> that's right. >> that's a lie. >> that's right, but you know what? we do and the american people want it to go there, every taxpayer needs it to be there and every business needs it to be there and we are just incredibly gratified that the supreme court has now taken it, arguments will be in march and we will have a decision in june. again, the amount of time, as you said, that they allocated is truly unprecedented for a modern day supreme court. so that just shows the tremendous importance to this country. >> it's extremely important but i wouldn't put money either way on the decision. i have no idea on whether this is going to be constitutional or not. it will be fascinating to watch. attorney general bondy, nice to
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>> do you want to know what's going on in congress even before lawmakers do? now all you need is a smartphone
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or ipad to get live, up to the minute information from inside the capital. house majority whip, kevin mccarthy, gives us a look at the new ap. >> what is the new whip cast app? >> if you of want to know what is happening on the floor, this gives you up to the minute, faster than members get it. flash updates tell us exactly what is going on on the floor at that time. and if you of wondered when that bill came up, what was in it and what was the policy behind it, you can get the actual policy of the bill itself as well. >> who created this? >> we went out in the majority whip's office and one of the major things we wanted to do, remember what congress was two years ago, what bills would come to the floor before even members read it? we believe in transparency. not only do we hold the bills for three days, we now want information on the floor. every information the members get, the public gets. this can be on your blackberry, on your ipad, on your droid
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phone. you go to the app store on either of those and download it today. it's free. >> on the serious side this is good for the american people, they can see what is going on in realtime. in the bad side the constituents will see everything coming and they will get a zillion e-mails and phone calls. >> but this is great. >> i'm teasing you. >> this is the people's house and what a better way to do that. you don't have to hire a lobbyist to know what is going on. and the unique thing, say you find something you like and you want to tell your friends there's one little button here you can put it on your facebook to all your friends or you can tweet it out to everybody. >> or e-mailed. i was testing it and i e-mailed out a couple. >> we just empowered the american public to take back control of the house. what is unique i hope the president downloads it so when he is out speaking he can get what is really happening in congress to see what jobs of create the. he will know what's happening. >> we should say this is from
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the republican side of the house. this is from the leadership in the house so it's not going to have democratic policy or can democratics put their policy statements on it? >> they can write their own app. this goes to all the members, republicans members as well. gives you the policy, the background of where we stand, what we are taking. it gives you the latest communication. gives you the latest video of what it happening. gives you the latest press release from speaker boehner. you will get it all here with one stop. >> what have your colleagues said about this? >> they are excited about it. you will be amaze at the number of members who have an ipad on the floor. the e-mails they get of what is happening, it gives them better information to know what is happening. but why shouldn't the american people have the same information? >> and it's a very clever add you did. >> very clever ad. >> you star in it. >> it's an ad, hopefully everybody sees it and will download it. if anyone in this country has an interest in politics or interest
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in a bill or wants the policy background you can get an application for it right on your tone, on your ipad, and you will be up-to-date from the minute on what is happening on the floor. >> now the ad congressman mccarthy and his staff made, it is very clever. go to our site and we just posted it. coming up, is there a job opening at the white house? it's probably not what you are thinking. stay tuned. [ female announcer ] who'd have thought that the person you'd grow up to be -- how creative or confident or kind -- was shaped before you lost your first tooth? ♪ the first five years are forever. ♪ that's why pnc is devoting $250 million and ten more years to helping families discover learning opportunities all around them. pnc. grow up great.
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