which makes him, he could beat obama. >> no chance. >> no chance? >> no chance. >> the last word. that's all the time we have. thanks for being with us. greta is with us. see you tomorrow night. tonight, there's a new frontrunner and he is here. former speaker of the house newt gingrich joins us. good evening, mr. speaker. >> good evening. it's good to be with you, greta. >> let's talk about some news that i think you will probably call very good news tonight. the rasmussen poll in the state of iowa, where the caucuses come january 3rd are, you now lead. 19% for romney, 13% for cain and you have 32%. what do you attribute that jump to? >> i think a lot of people have been looking for substance. i think they have been looking for solutions as big as 9%

unemployment, solution as big as $2 trillion annual deficits. and my sense was in the last couple of debates people sort of checked off and began saying to each other, gee, i think newt has the right ideas and as they went to newt.org and looked at our 21 century contract with america, i think they thought maybe having done it before in the 1990s with four balanced budgets and welfare reperform and bringing unemployment down from 5.6 to 4.2% maybe newt gingrich actually has the right solutions and the right experience 20 -- to do it. i think that conversation has made a difference. we just spent the last three days in iowa and we certainly got the feeling going around the state that there was a very significant consolidation towards my campaign. i am here in jacksonville where we had a huge rally this afternoon with the first coast tea party people. and it frankly felt like october of an election year. the amount of energy, the number of people, the excitement was much more like october than it

was like a year before. >> there are some sports 18 staffers have rejoined your campaign, including six in the state of iowa. things are looking really good right now. of course, that means, of course, now the tough scrutiny, which brings me to another issuism want you to explain it because i don't fully understand it. freddie mac and fannie mae, you gingrich productions or gingrich group, rather, received a significant amount of money from fannie mae and freddie mac. tell me, first of all, how much money was it? >> well, i'm not sure of the exact amount, but the reports are it's about a million six. we are trying to work that out. i don't have the numbers in the campaign because i'm no longer at gingrich group. only from freddie mac, i never got anything from fannie mae. it was over a number of years. started in '99 and went into 2007 or 2008. we are trying to pull that

together. i think we will have that information probably by tomorrow but we've asked the people at the center for transformation that one gingrich group to pull it all together. it's money paid out over a period of time. gingrich group has had as many as 30 employees at any one time. we've had office necessary atlanta, where the headquarters are in washington and in st. louis, missouri. it has -- with the center of transformation it acquired a very large number of members. i i think the freddie mac payments were relatively a small percentage of the total income of gingrich group over the last ten or eleven years. >> and i've run a business and i know you have to pay overhead and rent, and the money sometimes looks very different what you end up with in your pocket as to what goes into the group. now, in spite of that, i'm trying to understand this. was the contract during the time of 2007 when we went into a tailspin in the housing market,

did it extend as far as that point? >> to the best of my knowledge, it ended about the time that we were going into a tailspin but i would have to go back. i can't give you an exact date. it was clear by that stage that what you had was a giant bubble because you had loan requirements that had collapsed to the point of absurdity. people could get mortgages who had no credit history, no down payment, et cetera. and having been a professor of history and somebody who had actually looked at economic history over time, it was very clear that this was a bubble that was developing that had bad consequences. i have had a long period of being concerned about housing. jack kemp and i worked an housing issues back in the '890s. i supported rick lazio strongly when he was in the house and we passed a housing bill. i believe there are practice ways to help poor people to get into house bug it's not by

giving them mortgages they can't pay. it's about teaching them how to budget. how to take care of a home. i did a lot of work with the habitat for humanity, and the people who get the house actually help build it so they have a real investment and interest in their own home. my interest in housing and my interest in helping relatively poor americans buy a house goes back a long way. i was proposed to offer strategic advice. i do no lobbying of any kind. important point i want to make. i have never done lobbying of any kind. >> a couple questions. i am trying to understand exactly what strategic advice is because a lot of people made an awful lot of money off freddie mac and fannie mae. there's good reason for people to be prying and trying to find out exactly what this is and especially in the '930s people were making -- stufferring their pockets full of cash. you say you were providing strategic advice. what does that mean? what did you do?

>> well, i will give you two general examples. there's confidentiality agreements and it's been broken both by them and us because i answered a question probably more bluntly than i should have in the debate without having checking with my lawyers which is something you don't do in the middle of debates. but let me just say as an example there's a whole issue about whether or not government-sponsored enterprises have any legitimacy. i can tell you as a historian they have been used throughout history, and there are times they have been very useful and very valuable. part of the question is can you make that case? can you put in context the history of these institutions? the other one i just gave you. is there a conservative path that helps people learn how to budget, helps them learn how to take care of a house? how would you approach these kind of issues? how would you talk about these kind of issues? >> these were the questions they would go to you and you would sit down and answer? is that how it worked?

i'm trying to understand -- >> yeah. >> was it a quid pro quo? how often did you talk to them? did they come to your office, did you go to them? >> i think maybe once a month they would drop by, we would spend an hour. it would always start with me listening. i would say what are you trying to solve, what are your concerns, what are you trying to get done? and i have done this with many, many clients. it's not at all unusual for us to have folks to come in and say this is what we are trying to get done, this is how we are trying to solve a wide range of problems. many of them involved health. as you know, we founded out of gingrich group we founded the center for health transformation and we ended up publishing books and we ended one a whole range of things. i'm proud of what we have done. i helped run four small businesses during the period when i was out of office before i ran for president. i have a pretty good idea what it is like to be a business person and to meet a payroll and to find clients and to make sure that you are actually delivering value so the clients decide to stay with you.

and the value we delivered consistently was listening to people, offering them strategic advice, developing positive public policy positions with a very simple ground rule. i believe what i believe based on a very long period of life. if you would-like to have and come my advice, that's fine. i don't change any of my beliefs because somebody drops by and wants to pay me. i have no reason to. >> all right. in terms of freddie mac, though, did you spot what was coming in terms of the housing industry crisis? did you tell them, you know, look, this is a real problem? you know, this is about to blow up on the nation. did you see that coming. >> no. >> and did you warn them? >> look, you can see in conversations, particularly by 2007 that the loan standards were becoming absurd. that was patently obvious. what you couldn't see is that the federal reserve would trieden up in a way that you

suddenly had a huge credit crunch. i think that's a very different part of the problem. i don't think anybody, whether the chairman of the federal reserve or the council of economic advisors or other folks, there were very few people who saw the intensity of the housing problem as it broke loose. there were some people. peter wallace is a good example at the american enterprise institute, who had for a long time been warning that these government-sponsored enterprises were too big, they were too overleft religioned and that they needed to be reformed. and peter wallace is probably as good an analyst today what needs to be done now to repair the system and to get out of the mess we are in as anybody i know. but he was a relatively rare voice in that period. >> all right. compare and contrast the difference, you received money or gingrich group received money for strategic advice. you have also been very critical of president obama receiving substantial amounts of money

from fannie and freddie contributions from the executives in 2008. you have said it on the hannity show and you have said it to me on "on the record." what is the difference between the criticism you have made of president obama getting substantial campaign contributions to help fannie mae and freddie mac, but maybe not to help them, and what you did? >> well, the difference is that under the leadership of barney frank and chris dodd in the congress and of the president, those institutions have gotten $156 billion of taxpayers' money. i was a private citizen. i was not involved in doing any of these things and, in fact, if you go back and ask congress and rick lazio, when he brought up the housing reform bill in 1996, i strongly backed him in reforming housing. as he sent me a note yesterday, at no time did i mention fannie mae or freddie mac to him or give any kind of involvement

to him to do anything along that line. i was very supportive of housing reform. so there's a huge difference between what you do when you are in public office and you are dealing with the public trust and what you do as a private business person who has no direct power and no direct responsibility, and you are sitting there offering advice. i was being paid to offer -- and i did this, as i said a while ago, at a number of companies who would come in and ask for advice on a wide range of things. and as long as they were topics that i was interested in and topics that i cared about, i was very happy to share ideas with people. what i didn't do and would not do is i didn't go and lobby the congress, i didn't go and lobby the executive branch, i didn't try to represent any position i didn't believe in beforehand, and i think that's a very big difference between being a lobbyist and being a strategic consultant. >> and congressman barney frank has taken some tough swipes at you in the last day or two. you smile. >> of course, he has.

look, barney frank -- >> why do you say "of course he has?" >> barney frank doesn't believe in the business community, he doesn't believe in the private sector. he thinks everything is the same. he thinks what he does as a congressman in writing a bill is the same as what a private citizen does and vice versa and it tells you how far to the left barney frank's thinking is. i don't think he has a clue what it is-like to run a normal business or to meet a payroll and to be out in the marketplace doing what normal people do. you check, and you know because you have been in the business. if you check for people to do strategic planning for corporations, and offer long-range advice, our fees were in the midrange of what people charge around this country to large corporations to help them think about their challenge and slightly below the midrange when you talk about the biggest corporation necessary america. >> all right. switch topics. occupy wallstreet. there is a lot of the dissension today over the last 24, 36

hours. if you were president, would you make a statement about occupy wallstreet? would you recommend thing? >> sure. i would recommend that every mayor in the united states enforce the law. there is no justification for violence. there is no justification for tearing up private property. there is no justification for blocking the streets and harassing innocent citizens. i think it's one thing to have the right of free speech. no one has the right to be a mob. and no one has the right to go out and destroy property. and i think that the mayor bloomberg and others should protect the rights of innocent citizens from thugs and mob-like people who engage in vandalism and engage in threats that are totally inappropriate in a free society. >> where does this go? what do you suspect is going to happen in the next day or two? >> the police will eventually have to arrest them. they will provoke and provoke until there's no choice and the police will arrest them.

and the question is how many innocent people will be hurt, how much innocent property will be described, how much damage will they do to society at large. there's no justification. the tea party has met in huge numbers, and we did this today down here with the first coast tea party. hundreds and hundreds of people. they picked up the trash. they were orderly. they were positive. they were there as citizens, not as mobs. the gap between the way occupy wallstreet has degenerated into an anti-civilization, anti-law kind of group, and the way in which the tea partyers were trying to understand and study american history, it's a startling contrast between the two groups. >> speaker gingrich, thank you. i hope you will come back. >> good to be with you. >> interesting race. thank you, sir. >> it will be fun. thank you. >> and straight ahead, another candidate for president, representative michele bachman. she is accusing the obama administration of running a gangster government. well, that's only the beginning.

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>> representative michele bachman calls it a dwang center government. she's talking about the obama administration's loan to solyndra. we spoke to her and her struggle to gain grounds in the gop policy. >> congressman nice to see you. >> nice to see you. >> and we are in a bar. and we picked it, not you. just so not everyone think you are running around to bars in iowa. >> i run a lot in iowa. >> let's talk about solyndra. today secretary of energy chu testified and he said, he described what happened with the solyndra loan, that the american taxpayers are on the hook for for $528 million. his words were extremely unfortunate.

>> well, that's the understatement of the year. this is the height of crony capitalism. this is president obama political doners that he's paying off and essentially what the president did is he put one of his fundraisers into the energy department to point out which of the loans should be made to which person that gave political donations to the president. donations were made to companies like excellent draw, companies like light squared and beacon power and now there's a new one, i think it's seega. this is really serious. you are talking over $500 million that are going out to companies that had no chance of being successful and based upon a political donation. it's crony capitalism at its worst. you can't just say, oops, sorry. >> he said the decision to give the loan to solyndra, and i assume he also meant the restructuring that was done to put the american taxpayer at the end of the line that's correct the white house didn't pressure him. >> point is it was done.

what happened, and i think it's important to point out what you just said, there was a restructuring. after the loan was already a failed loan. and the united states took a lower position to get paid back first. that's unprecedented and instead the political doner of president obama was put at the top of the heap so they would be the first ones paid out. that's wrong. and plus it's also important to note that the why of the person deal with this loan was also representing the law firm of excellent draw. this is dirty in every single aspect and it represents the very worst of washington. but the worst of what president obama is doing, which is crony capitalism. paying off political doners with taxpayer money or favors. that's wrong. >> should the secretary energy resign or be fired? >> i think he should resign, and i think president obama should fire him. i think this is clearly bad dealings. not just that loan, but other loans that are suspect. you can't do that to the american people. >> it's interesting, the republicans who are driving this and also the candidates in the field who are raising hell about

solyndra, they are all talking about the crony capitalism. even if you put the best look at it, and assume it was not crony capitalism, it was in competent at best. itit was a bad decision. >> and criminal. it's criminal. >> well, whatever. but i'm saying is that the question of, you know, is it smart to have someone in the job who has made such a profoundly bad decision, assuming it was done with good heart and good mind? itit was a really bad decision. >> it was a really bad decision is exactly right. but the idea that this isn't just a one-time occurrence. if it was a one-time occurrence you would be very suspect but it happens over and over. and like light squared, that was a decision that was made to give bandwidth next to the gps devices and this is national security implications. because with light squared, that is the gps devices would be compromised by military aircraft and commercial aircraft.

they could essentially go black. and the president obama administration was pushing to giving this to light squared at the detriment to commercial aircraft. this is very long. the idea of picking winners and losers based upon political donations. that's criminal. it's moral are ally and ethically criminal but it's criminal. >> and i use it loosely. i say a lot of things of criminal. it might be criminal when i have to stand in line for six hours. but it is clearly not. are you using criminal in the flip sense or do you generally believe there's a violation of the criminal code that this is a criminal violation. >> i generally believe it is wrong, greta. >> wrong or a real crime? a real crime? >> that would be up to people in justice to make that decision because i certainly wouldn't be the one to bring it. but i think there is something morally reprehensible that rises to a level that has the president of the united states

using the united states government for the purpose of paying off political doners. that's gangster government. that's gangster government when you have a government pay off your political donors to pay off your debts. that's wrong. >> the policy. let's look at iowa. you were the hottest thing last august. you had taken the state by the storm. at least by the polls you seem to be struggling. what happened? or what are you doing? >> think a lot of it is the function of the media. which can date is it that the media follows and that candidate will rise in the polls. it's a self-fulfilling prophesy. but what we've seen, almost like wall street has gone up and down on the market, no one has seen a political market like this where the fortunes of candidates rise and fall. what i am doing here in iowa is exactply what i need to do. i am meeting with people likedy before. we are seeing the turn here in iowa. we've had wonderful meetings

with people all across the state. and people look at the candidate that is the most conservative and the most consistent, i have been that candidate. i haven't had a gaffe for something i have done that caused me to fall in the polls. they see me as a social conservative, a fiscal con deserve ditch, a political conservative, i'm the whole package. when it comes to the best candidate to take on bach and not have any clunker in my record to take him on, it's me. i've been involved as a private citizen for 50 years and for the last five years i've been in the lion's den in washington d.c. i have a record that i'm very proud of and i'm happy to take him on in the debates to hold him accountable for what he's done to the country why other he's been in office. >> the clunkers, you mean the allegations, no proof of mr. herman cain that the women

said he sexually harassed and rick perry, a gaffe at the debate; that the clunker that brings people down. >> those clunkers show that that is for candidates in the polls. i haven't had anything like that. >> you have had a few, maybe not recently, but you have had the historic reference in massachusetts, i think, and you had one -- >> i got elvis presley's birthday wrong but i don't think that's a qualifying factor to be president of the united states. what i did do is stand up loud and clear when we were dealing with the debt ceiling and i said let's pay off the interest on the debt today and also prioritize the spending. let's not do the supercommittee. the supercommittee is giving us one of two bad choices. one says let's raise tacks. bad decision. i signed a pledge and i think that means something not to raise taxes. i said let's not raise tax on the american people. it will hurt the economy. but the other choice for the supercommittee is cutting

$600 billion out of national defense. that's a terrible disaster. when the president has engaged our military in more venues than of, libya, uganda, and now he's made a decision to have 2500 perhaps in australia in addition to the work we are doing in iraq and afghanistan and in light of the report that came out from the iea that iran could be nuclear power very quickly. in light of that to cut $600 billion out of our military in addition to the $4 billion,we are gutting the military. and according to the secretary of defense, we are looking at shooting ourselves in the head when it comes to military. that's a very bad decision. what we need to do is this. we need to prioritize right now. we need to have a dramatic cut in the spending that we have. we are building up a welfare state and that's not helping our economy. we need to be a pro growth economy, not a welfare state economy. >> you mentioned the supercommittee. when the congress and president

couldn't agree on a debt limit, a debt ceiling last august, the supercommittee was created, given until november 23rd to to come up with a deal, and in the event a deal doesn't happen it will trigger cuts in the defense department and a certain number to the entitlements and that will make a lot of americans mad on either side. republicans and democrats across the country will been a raged. that doesn't go into effect, though, until -- until january, 2013, after the election. congressman peter welch last night agreed with me that's outrageous. >> it is outrageous. >> having it after the election. >> i absolutely agree. it's everything congress does. everything the politicians do is kick the can down the road. >> not even kick the can down the road, it's to fool the taxpayers. it's one thing to do your homework late but one thing to have all the cuts, alienate republican and democratic voters as well, but it will happen after the election so the pain

won't be taken out on then couple wants come election. >> and that's wrong, just like he sets the date for obamacare until after the next election and he kicked the can down the road on -- >> you say kick the can down the road -- >> it is, though, greta. it is kicking the can. >> it is, but -- >> but the impact of this bad decision won't be felt by the voter until they have already cast their vote at the ballot box. it's disingenuous. it's wrong. >> while we were in iowa we talked to congresswoman bachman about her brand new book, "core of conviction, my story." and we will talk about that on monday's night. if you want to see more of tonight's interview, go to gretawire.com and you will see the entire interview. and the understatement that tops it all, secretary of energy steven chu says the squandering

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>> this is a fox news alert. another alleged sex abuse scandal at a major university. police are now investigating an allegation that a syracuse university assistant basketball coach molested a former team helper. police say the accusations are against assistant coach bernie fine and late tonight syracuse university put him on administrative leave. the alleged victim, bobby davis, is now 39 years old. she told espn fine molested him for more than a dozen years starting in the 1980s. the university said they are in the early stages of the investigation. and they say they take any action of this sort extremely seriously and has zero tolerance for abuse of any kind. this comes on the heels of the sex scandal at penn state university. and there's news out of capitol hill. secretary of energy steven chu said we should not count on getting our money back from the catastrophic loan to excellent

draw. $535 million of taxpayer money down the road. that grim word from the energy secretary today when he testified before the house energy and customers committee. the energy secretary also insists his decisions about the loan guarantee were not based on political considerations. congressman cliff stern joins us. good evening, sir. >> good evening, greta. >> did you learn anything today. >> i think the mantra is as solyndra fell, secretary chu failed to sound the alarm. when you hear his testimony he was unaware of so many things. not just an the management side but also on the financial side, and the more we look at it, including the subordination of taxpayer money, the more rerealize he wasn't even competent to run these programs, if any opinion. >> who was the final decision-maker who pulled the trigger to lend the money in the first place? >> he had to pull the trigger. he had to decide. >> how much business background does he have? >> he has none. he's a scientist and he probably should be in a lab somewhere and

he's a very brilliant scientist but at the same time he doesn't have any experience meeting a payroll, actually looking at businesses who are trying to create a profit because he has never done that. here he has $37 billion that he's administratorring and he has roughly 33 programs of loan guarantees, so you see the president doesn't have any confidence either because he has herb alison appointed at an outside commission to look at these because he doesn't have confidence in secretary chu. >> he is going to resign? >> he did not say that. >> was he asked that. >> he was not asked that. but based upon what i heard today with the subordination that he did, and even a democrat, gene green from texas indicated he couldn't understand how he could subordinate taxpayers dollars because the energy act said he couldn't do it. you are suggesting he did

something in violation of the law? >> that's how i feel. >> and what about being incompetent? you give the green light a number of months later that puts the taxpayers at the end of the line, i mean, how about going just on the basis of not competently performing the job of being at least a steward of american taxpayer dollars? >> i think you could make that case, too. and also the department of energy staff alerted he and others to you years ago that solyndra was going to lose all cash by september, 2011. >> now, he says that the white house had nothing to do with it. >> right. >> how does he explain the e-mails? there were a number of e-mails, going back to vice president biden to the chief of staff, that's the first one, and the second one which shows the e-mail, i forgot where it originated, where it asks solyndra to postpone laying off workers until a day or two after the midterm election, not wanting the taxpayers to see what is up.

>> and the cfo of solyndra e-mailed to at that point the senior loan officer, his name is johnathan silver. >> at the department of energy. >> the department of energy who has since resigned. he e-mailed least people in the whiteñi house, and they e-mailed back, we can't get those e-mailed, but he's the one in late october of 2010 indicated it appears solyndra was told not to lay off anybody except after the midterm election. so that whole chain of events we would like to see those e-mails. the d. o. e., somebody told them do not lay off anybody until after the midterm elections. >> so the decision is made. i mean, its undeniable, if it's after the election, it's a political decision which doesn't serve the american people yet. and secretary chu was asked do you know who this person was? no. >> and he was unaware. he's not running a major

financial institution, he's running a science lab. >> you can't see e-mails from the white house, is that because they are refusing under executive privilege or they just haven't provided them. >> they have been slow walking the whole process. the more we look at this, and beacon power is another one that went bankrupt. that was the second one they afford out of these loan guarantees. after the first three two have gone bankrupt. so at this point we think there is much more to look at in terms of the loan guarantee. with solyndra we have to see all the e-mails to tie it up. >> and my advice is to get it out now, the drip, drip, drip right up to the election isn't going to help them much. thank you, sir. >> thank you, greta. >> and it's far from over. it's heating up, the battle over illegal immigration. and arizona is ground zero. gov. jan brewer is here to go on record. she's next. ♪

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let's go to the news headlines. marianne. >> more than 300 arrested nationwide as occupy wallstreet protestors mark the movement's two month anniversary. most arrests taking place near the new york stock exchange. and in l.a. they arrested several at the bank of america plaza. in st. louis they broke into the old municipal court building where they hung panthers saying occupy everything. and a man accused of firing at the white house is accused with trying to assassinate the president. according to court documents the man believed he was jesus and the president obama was the anti-christ. ortega was arrested at a pennsylvania hotel wednesday, just days after the secret service said one of the bullets cracked a window in the first family's living records. now back to "on the record." >> first arizona, then alabama and now south carolina.

is the federal government going to war with the states? so far the department of justice is suing three states over their tough new immigration laws and it all started with arizona's crackdown. gov. jan brewer joins us. good evening. >> good evening, greta. >> what's the update on the problem of illegal immigration in your state? >> it continues and we have not received any good help from the federal government and now it appears the federal government is not only after arizona but several other states and it's just simply wrong. they need to step up and they need to do their jobs. >> have you spoken to the governors of the other states at all or had interaction, your staff with their staff. >> on certain levels i have spoken with the governors and, of course, a lot of them agree with what we have to do. it's simply that -- we can't afford it. it's the federal government's responsibility, and it is absolutely simply wrong. and it almost appears to me that my federal government has declared war on the states. and i don't know how much more of this that the states are

going to be able to put up with. >> let me see if i can't broker some sort of deal. >> okay. >> it's stuck in litigation now and it's going to wind up the courts and keep the courts all busy and snarled up. we hear about the congestion in the courts over a dispute that perhaps if the governor of arizona would talk you might be able to come to some sort of solution but now we are locked in litigation. are you willing to talk to work toward a solution so we can get it out of the silliness part? >> you are absolutely right, we need a solution and i'm always willing to talk and to work toward a solution. i'm a problem solver. i've always been a problem solver. but the more i request some attention or the more i request from the federal government that the more i get ignored. >> do they of -- will the homeland security, a former governor, i might add, will she talk to you or will the white house talk to you? >> no. got the tom line is they believe

they are doing their job. 70% of the american people, 70% of arizona citizens know they aren't doing their job. no, they believe that the boarders are more secure than they have of been. and i say why don't you ask a family of rob, why don't you ask the family of brian terry. our borders are not secure. today we found another tunnel underneath ground where they believe that marijuana could and will be smuggled through. yesterday it was tijuana. our borders are not secure. >> all right. let me switch gears to 2012. have you endorsed yet or do you intend to endorse? >> i intend to endorse. i want to get on there and get the best person in the white house but i'm waiting until january. we are going to have a debate and see just exactly where our presidential candidates are on immigration and jobs and the economy. i think that's really, really important. and get in there and have a big

participation not only from arizona but also from me in particularly, for whatever i'm worth, to get a new president elect the. >> what do you make of sort of all the -- there's one guy up and one woman up, one guy up, and what do you make of the jumping around in the polls? i guess when governor romney stays right where he is. he doesn't lose or gain. >> he's at a steady level. it's an interesting process, one that i have never seen in my time of paying a lot of attention to the elections. i think we have a very good bench. everybody is strong in certain areas and i think the more we see and hear from them, the more we will learn and we can make a good judgment who will serve as the best. it's been very interesting, very fascinating because it's up, down and everywhere. >> governor, nice to see you. welcome to washington. hope you come back soon. >> thank you. straight ahead, is there a fight brewing between nancy pelosi and governor rick perry? wait until you hear what they

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>> well, here's the absolute best of the rest. house majority leader nancy pelosi joking with reporters at governor rick perry's expense. she poked fun of governor rick perry's challenge to debate her. >> he did ask if i could debate here in washington on monday, it is my understanding that such a letter has come in. monday i'm going to be in portland in the morning, i'm going to be visiting some of our labs in california in the afternoon. that's two. i can't remember what the third thing was. [laughter] >> congresswoman pelosi was mocking governor perry's recent debate performance when he paused for about 53 seconds and couldn't remember the third government agency he wants to close. perry campaign responded with a tweet to pelosi references a recent 60 minutes story. they said perhaps the third activity you forgot was the

ongoing insider trading? ouch. and gingrich's mobile phone rang and was it his ringtone that got a few laughs. can you guess what it is? >> good morning. >> coming up now. [indiscernible chatter.] >> did you catch it? well, that was "dancing queen" playing on the speaker's cellphone. and speaker gingrich admits. ♪ you are the dancing queen, young and sweet, only 17 ♪ ♪ dancing queen >> okay, speaker gingrich admits he's a big fan of the movie mamma mia. she said meryl streep singing "dancing queen" is his favorite

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