>> juliet: jennifer. >> steve: he's going to perform [laughter] >> he's going to perform a song in the after the show show, so log on now to "fox & friends".com. >> and have a great thanks giving, thank you so much for watching. >> i'll be here tomorrow. >> see you soon. bill: beautiful tale. all right, good morning, everybody. the day before turkey day, grim new economic numbers out showing we might be heading toward a global recession. markets all over the world getting the jitters, good morning, everybody, i'm bill hemmer, and welcome to "america's newsroom." martha's out today. >> thanks for having me. bill: you came back for mor pain, i see. heather: i am heather childers. dismal economic reports out of europe and parts of china sparking new fears about the health of thglobal economy. bill: that's right. what will the impact be here at home? stuart varney, fox business network, good morning to you. rip these off as you see it

around the world. >> okay. i've got three items for you, all pointing towards a global recession. item one n america orders for big ticket items, washing machines, big tvs down again. a first-time claim for unemployment up this week. that's america. second is china. news this morning that it is slowing, sharply so. and be, third, germany -- of all places -- germany this morning had trouble borrowing money. in other words, rock-solid germany, the heart of the european economy, couldn't borrow all of the money it wants to. you add up those three factors, the it's a negative. bill: hard for you to find good news anywhere at the moment including our jobs number. what happened last hour? >> okay. 393,000 new claims for jobless benefits, that is up 2,000 from the previous week. okay. it's below 4 00k, but it's still a very high number. bill: stocks have been done. >> stocks will open -- bill: not a whole lot of trading

this week, but still everything is down to the negative side. >> it's a rotten week, frankly, that's the only way to put it, and stocks will be down again in 29 minutes. bill: stuart, thank you. have a good thanksgiving, and we're going to find some good news in december, aren't we? >> yes, we are. bill: and you're going to find it for us. bill: all right. here's heather. heather: the justice department starting a new investigation into a bank's violated antitrust laws when they attempted to raise those debit card fees. you may remember a few months ago bank of america came under fire for a plan to charge customers $5 for using their debit cards. it vrnlgly dropped the -- it eventually dropped the plan. one reason was for the decreased amounts they can charge on purchases at stores. bill: let's get to the fallout from late last night, republican candidates battling it out over foreign policy.

the front runner, newt gingrich, criticizing ron paul's stance on the patriot act which eased restrictions on intelligence gathering in the wake of 9/11. here is part of that. >> national security, the government should have many more tools in order to save our lives. >> this is like saying that we need a policeman in every house, a camera in every house because we want to prevent child beating and wife beating. you can prevent crimes by becoming a police state. so if you advocate the police state, yes, you can have safety and security, and you might prevent a crime, but the crime then will be against the american people and against our freedoms, and we will throw out so much of what our revolution was fought for. so don't do it so carelessly. bill: there were other candidates siding with newt gingrich on that topic, arguing that protecting the homeland should be the top priority. that was just part of it. heather: and speaking of that, defense budget cuts also on the candidates' minds after the failure of the congressional

supercommittee. military spending now facing billions of dollars in reductions. former utah governor jon huntsman saying the military budget fair game for cutbacks. >> as it relates to defense spending, let's be realistic about this. we can't have an intellectually honest conversation about where we go with debt and spending with sacred cows. everything's got to be on the table. the defense department's got to be on the table, for heavens sake. heather: other candidates warn cuts could jeopardize u.s. military power. bill: mitt romney accusing the president of being too friendly with america's enemies. >> we have a president who pursued an agenda of saying we're going to be friendly to our foes, and we're going to be disrespectful to our friends. the right course in america is to stand up to iran with crippling sanctions, indict ahmadinejad for violating the geneva or the genocide convention, put in place the kind of crippling sanctions that stop their economy.

i know it's going to make gasoline more expensive. there's no price which is worth an iranian nuclear weapon. bill: that move following a u.n. report that said iran's secret effort to develop nuclear weapons had entered an advanced stage. we're covering all this, foxnews.com/politics has all the latest news from the trail. while we're on the air live, we know a lot of you are in the office, at home or on your computer. michele bachmann next hour. heather: i am looking forward to that. some new extreme weather warnings just in time for thanksgiving holiday travelers, wouldn't you know it. two big storms developing, and that means trouble at the airports and on the roads while millions are trying to get home for the holidays. chief meteorologist rick reichmuth is live for us in the extreme weather center with more on this. hi, rick.

>> reporter: it could be worse. this could be a big snowstorm across the east, but it's not. we've got a rainstorm that's causing problems, but the big cities, boston, new york city, i think we're going to see some really significant delays today. washington, d.c., not as bad. and then over on the other side of the country, seattle. both of the corners dealing with this storm. this is the storm as it looks right now. you can see the rain across parts of north florida, jacksonville area getting heavy rain. this is going to taper off, but it will be windy behind this. very heavy rains from around new york city up towards boston. it's all snow across the interior sections of new england. it's going to be some rough going for the next couple of days really, it'll take a while to get those roads cleared. i'll show you a little more of that in a second. here's the other corner of the country, seattle and portland. it's very warm, so we're not talking about snow in the lower elevations, snow levels really

high around 5 or 6,000 feet, but very significant rain here and low clouds, that means delays there. eventually, this might eke its way down towards the san francisco area. but the central part of the country looking great. this, however, will become a rainmaker for the central part of the country saturday and sunday, so your return travel's going to be problematic also. rain very slowly exits here, rain showers around new york city by this evening and tomorrow looking absolutely beautiful. thursday a really nice day for people driving to get home. heather: driving to get back home. but i have to ask you, there are a lot of parades on tap for thanksgiving day, a really big one here in new york city. how does the weather look for that, specifically the winds? >> yeah, you know, the winds aren't going to be as bad. this isn't one of those cases. we might see winds at sometimes around 20 miles an hour, and that could cause them to keep the balloons a little lower, but it'll be sunny and temps into

the 50s. heather: okay, great. great news. thank you very much, rick. >> reporter: you bet. heather: our question of the day, are you worried about bad weather disrupting your thanksgiving travel? head to our show page to tell us what you think, foxnews.com/"america's newsroom," we will bring you the results throughout the show. bill: if you don't like the weather, just wait, it'll change. it was nasty last night, but today it's going to clear up. so good hours ahead for us here. heather: look ahead. bill: those are just some of the things we're watching in "america's newsroom." also we are watching this, and check it out. that helicopter spiraling out of control, blades torn to shreds. what the pilot was trying to do before this went down. wait for that. heather: take a look at this. it is not where you would expect to find wild salmon swimming. you'll tell you where this is. bill: that's crazy. it was all foreign policy during

last night's debate. newt gingrich, how did he do? karl rove on deck with his take. the winners, the losers, the latest with rove next after this. >> instead of thinking about one nuclear weapon in one american city and the scale of loss of life, and you ask yourself, what should the president be capable of doing to stop that? you come up with a very different answer.

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heather: here's a question for you, why did the salmon cross the road? check out this video. yep, right there, that's because a lot of folks outside of seattle are asking that question. the extreme weather out there washing out roads, confusing the fish. the strongest storm of the season roaring across the state knocking out power to thousands, more than three inches of rain expected before this storm is over. bill: crazy, huh? all right. back to last night we go. listen up. >> you said earlier that it

would take too long to open up american oil. we defeated nazi germany, fascist italy and imperial japan in three years and eight months because we thought we were serious. if we were serious, we would open up enough oil fields in the next year that the price of oil worldwide would collapse. now, that's what we'd do if we were a serious country. if we were serious -- [applause] bill: newt gingrich has taken over the front runner position in most of the polling we have seen over the past two weeks, so what did he do last night that needed to keep that going? karl rove, former senior adviser and deputy chief of staff to president george bush and also a fox news contributor. how you doing, kar ?rrks good torning to you down there in austin. what'd you think of last night? how'd gingrich do? >> i thought it was a very serious debate, all the candidates did well. but newt -- look, there are four things you look for in a debate. tone and demeanor, he looks like the most informed person on the

stage; disagreements matter, and we saw those, for example, in the patriot act where he had a sharp disagreement with ron paul over the necessity for the patriot act; then we get to moments, and again, this was one of the moments in the debate when ron paul talked about timothy mcveigh, and newt gingrich responded by saying that's why we needed the patriot act, timothy mcveigh succeeded in blowing up the federal building in oklahoma; and finally the things that matter are the new things. and this is probably where the newt provided the new for the evening last night by endorsing a path for citizenship for people illegally inside the united states, and this will be the thing that we now talk about in the days ahead and will impact, for good or ill, his candidacy. bill: on that point, this went on for a little bit last night. here's about 30 seconds on immigration. >> if i'm prepared to take the heat for saying let's be humane in enforcing the law without

giving them citizenship, but by finding a way to create legality so that they are not separated from their families. bill: now, his overarching point is this. there are millions of illegals who have been here for years, maybe decades, and it's a very difficult thing to uproot them and send them back home and practically impossible in his view. there are millions of others who have come here recently, and their ties do not run as deep. how did he answer it? >> well, in the debate it was a controversial answer because it made it sound hike he favored a path to -- like he favored a path to citizenship. after the debate he talked to gloria, but there's a conservative activist from colorado who's very active in the heritage foundation, one of the two sponsors of the debate last night, heritage foundation and the american enterprise institute, both of whom got a chance to showcase their talent last night. but helen's idea is to, in essence, create if you're here

illegally, you can stay here, but you have to get a card that allows you to remain here, pass background checks, but you cannot become a united states citizen. and that's what newt was alluding to last night. again, this is going to be controversial. let's not kid ourselves. bill: do you think so? has he embraced it the right way, or the incorrect way when you're chasing a nomination on the republican party? >> well, look, he recognized it was going to be controversial, he said so last night. i'm willing to take the heat, he said. so he's trying to take a potential disadvantage, i'm endorsing allowing these people to remain inside the united states even though they arrived here illegally, but trying to turn it into a positive by saying i recognize the political fallout that might emerge from this, and i'm willing to take the heat. and that showed statesmanship and leadership. look, let's step back, though, far minute from this controversy. this whole debate reminded us of a very important thing. this is a very serious discussion last night by people

who were able. now, you had disagreements, you know, you had huntsman and paul versus romney on whether or not afghanistan, we needed to keep troops there. we had perry saying no way to pakistan, bachmann saying, yes, we need to keep aid to pakistan. so they didn't all agree on everything. but since july it's very interesting, the debates began in late june. since july the republicans have been tied or ahead of obama. the generic republican versus obama, the republicans have been tied or ahead, and i think these debates have had something to do with it, and regardless of what the fallout is on individual questions or answers, i think it probably made people even more comfortable with the republican field. bill: you think so? it was that serious and that well done? >> yeah. bill: all right. i want to look at the polling, okay, karl? gingrich has taken the lead in the average, up a point or two on romney. does he stay there after last night? and herman cain, you see number three there, what does he do?

>> yeah. look, iowa has demonstrated a hypersensitivity to immigration issues, and this is the risk for newt. remember, rick perry had endorsed the dream act providing in-state tuition to sons and daughters of illegal immigrants, and in his first debate it's where he said if you didn't agree with him, you were heartless. well, he dropped in the iowa polls like a stone. i think newt is not going to drop like a stone, but i think newt recognizes this in western iowa is going to cause him some indigestion among some voters. but again, look, you've got to -- you're never going to get everybody to agree with you on everything, every time, and the question is how much fallout is there going to be and how many people are going to be swayed by a reasonable answer -- bill: fair point. and we should point out western iowa, that's where the republican votes are when it comes to caucus time, the majority of them anyway. karl, it's good to see you this day before turkey, and i hope

you find yourself surrounded by family and friends tomorrow, okay? >> you bet. same to you. bill: 19 minutes past the hour. heather: so nice. we know gingrich not the only one taking some heat over immigration. the department of justice suing another state over its immigration policy. why it claims the law violates the constitution. bill: also, there was more chaos in cairo. new details in the arrest of three american students in cairo and reaction here at home to that. >> it wasn't the best of luck, and hope everything works out. i mean, it's a foreign country, there are going to be so many, like, so much turmoil right now, and i just pray for his safety. >> it's unfortunate, but hopefully he'll get out safe. bill: this picture is the only one we have of the three since the arrest. in a moment, you will hear from one of their mothers after this. [ woman ] my boyfriend and i were going on vacation,

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bill: 23 minutes past the hour, developing here in "america's newsroom," two new child abuse claims against former penn state coach jerry sandusky, the new cases just in the last 60 days involving children under the age of 18. sandusky already facing charges he sexually abused eight boys. his preliminary hearing set for next month. new violences in the streets of syria, this video believed to show the anti-government uprising. 28 people have been killed this recently. houston, we have an auction. a checklist used by the apollo 13 commander is up for sale. the astronaut made calculations on it the guide the spacecraft safely home. you might remember that shuttle was crippled after a fuel cell explosion. american history there in space, huh? by the way, i feel better than i sound. i know you're very concerned about me. heather: i was concerned. we were at that event last

evening, so -- bill: that's right. heather: feeling better. bill: uh-huh. heather: other news, new violence erupting in the streets of egypt, at least 38 people reported dead as anti-government protesters demand egypt's military-led government resign. meanwhile, we're now hearing from the mother of an american student arrested in cairo. one of students' mothers says that she finds that hard to believe. >> i believe in what our country stands for and representation of people. um, i don't know if he believes in it to the point of willing to risk his life, but i think he probably does. i remember him as a child always wanting his siblings, older and younger, to get along and not wanting fighting, you know, just arguing fighting, let alone fighting with violence. heather: reena ninan is live in our mideast bureau. do we know anything more about the student thiss? >> reporter: we're hearing

more from the sweeney family, the sister spoke and said they're optimistic about one thing, the fact that they're not being detained at a prison in egypt. they're actually being held in a courthouse, so they look at that as one positive sign. we're also hearing from another mother who says that her son would never be violent and be hurling fire bombs off the rooftop of american university in cairo as they are being accused of. she calls him an islist person and not violet at all. these three gentlemen were studying abroad and found themselves in the middle of it it all. the u.s. embassy in cairo is working to secure their release, heather. heather: and what is happening right now in cairo? >> reporter: we're getting word, actually, that the army, the military has sent in a larger presence, more soldiers to a side street off of tahrir square where there have been a lot of clashes there. it's interesting, it's been relatively quiet when you compare it to the other five days, so we'll have to see

whether the protesters clash with these five police. one middle east analyst i spoke to today said what we're seeing in tahrir square is almost a mirror image of what we saw in 1979. young, secular kids coming to the streets, demanding regime change. unfortunately, in iran the pend lumbar swung to the -- pendulum swung to the right, very extreme government, and now people are questioning will egypt be the next iran? heather: thank you very much, reena ninan, live from our mideast bureau. bill: you could almost sense it last spring even after mubarak was thrown out of power. they're going to have to try to figure it out, and they still are, clearly. it is deadly. heather: kt mcfarlane always references it as a three-a play. now we're entering two. bill one to go. the justice department stepping in with a big, fat lawsuit where

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another tough new immigration law, this one in the state of utah. the justice department saying the measure is, quote, clearly unconstitutional. peter doocy, what's the government's problem with the law in utah? >> reporter: they don't want states making up their own rules. think think that would just wreck the immigration system. now, this specific law in utah forces people who are charged with serious crimes to prove that they are legal u.s. citizens, and it also lets cops look into the sid shp of people -- citizenship of people they just pulled over. attorney general eric holder adds, quote, the federal government is the chief enforcer of immigration laws, and while we appreciate cooperation from states which remains important, it is clearly unconstitutional for a state to set its own immigration policy. now, this lawsuit was filed against utah by the doj. the state department and the department of homeland security whose secretary, janet

napolitano, says if cops are enforcing this immigration law, they won't have time to enforce other laws. her quote is that this kind of legislation diverts critical law enforcement resources from the most serious threats to public safety and undermines the vital trust between local jurisdictions and the communities they serve. utah is not alone. arizona, south carolina and alabama have all drafted their own immigration laws in the last two years, and they've all been sued by the feds as well. bill: and we have watched that play out there. how's utah defending itself, peter? >> reporter: their attorney general says he knows, he gets why the doj doesn't like those other states' laws, so he made an effort to make utah's law different, and he says, quote, we feel strongly we made significant changes with our law compared with arizona's at the time. we think the way our law is with our changes, think we can defend it, that we can prevail on this and have it held constitutional. and he also says even though the federal government is suing his state, he's going to keep working with them, trying to figure out a way to make

everybody happy. back to you. bill: we'll try and get the governor on the air and have him explain his position. that is a fascinating sky behind you in washington d.c. it looks like halloween night. >> reporter: kind of scary, i'm going to stay inside. bill: thank you, peter. we'll see you soon. heather: there's a brand new poll showing americans do not think any action will be taken on the debt crisis before the election next year, the rasmussen poll revealing an overwhelming 81% believe that a deal on major spending cuts is unlikely before the 2012 elections. those cuts are what the 12-member supercommittee had been working on, but, well, they just couldn't reach a deal. scott rasmussen is president of rasmussen reports.com. he joins us now. thanks for joining i. >> happy to be with you, heather, and that poll shows the american people have a great grasp of what's going on. spending by government in the america has never once gone down

from year to year in my lifetime. i'm not a teenager, it's been a while. heather: and, you know, isn't it also an indication that americans are really just using -- or losing faith in the system all the way around? >> absolutely. in fact, even the spending cuts that were agreed on earlier when the debt ceiling was raised, most americans don't believe those will be implemented by a three to one margin. americans believe no matter how bad something is, congress can always make it worse. heather: yeah. it's not just congress they don't have faith in, you have a new poll about their faith in president obama as well? >> that's right. we do the daily presidential tracking poll, and as of this morning just 22% strongly approve of the way he's doing his job, 40% strongly disapprove. what this tells us, the democratic base has lost some of their enthusiasm for president obama. they still support him overall, his total job approval has been consistently in the mid 40s. but there is a lot more energy on the opposing side, and that

is going to be one of the big hurdles for the president to try and overcome before november 2012. heather: a lot more energy on the opposing side, by that you mean the gop side? >> >> on the gop side, that's right. republicans strongly disapprove of this president's performance, and right now unaffiliated voters are leaning in that direction as well. heather: yeah. those unaffiliated voters, independents, very important in this race. there was another gop debate last night. we spoke to karl rove earlier, and he said that he really believes these debates are benefiting republicans in that all along if you take a look at the polling where a generic republican went up against president obama, that generic republican has either been tied or has been ahead in the polls in terms of being able to defeat the president in the election. and this is the latest poll that you have, 46% to 43%. now, how do you read that? >> well, again, that's pretty consistent with what we've seen, and it tells us, first of all, that the election would be close

if it were held today. the president does do better against individual names. i think karl rove is right, these debates are helpful. we know that four years ago when barack obama and hillary clinton engaged in that long marathon of the primary and caucus season, the interest in the democratic party, affiliation with the democratic party went up as time went along because they saw two candidates expressing ideas, and they decided that both were better than the incumbent party. heather: all right. so how about the important news. let's talk about thanksgiving. and you, of course, did polling on that, where folks are going to be for this thanksgiving. what did you find out? >> 48% are going to be like me, at home, 34% with a relative. a little bit down from past years. 83% of us say we've got a lot to be thankful for this year, and heather, i think there's a real special thanksgiving message that needs to be sent out to 11% of americans who are going to be working tomorrow while the rest of us are enjoying turkey day.

heather: i'll be working tomorrow, i'm very thankful -- >> we've got jobs! heather: thank you so much, and we appreciate it. happiness that giving, by the way. >> happy thanksgiving. heather: see you later. bill: new video of a terrifying helicopter crash, rather. have you seen this? yeah, that rotor blade clipping a cable, sending that chopper into a spin. the pilot nearly thrown from the cockpit. workers below running for safety. they're okay. this is out of audiocassetteland, new zealand. the pilot was installing a christmas tree. pilot's doing okay, but he sure made a headline there. check on the markets, we were told we are headed lower today and, indeed, that is where we are going. a whole lot of people have already broken for the weekend, but we're off 80 points at the

open here. investors reacting to the jobless numbers that came out today, still right around 400,000, a slight uptick in unemployment claims from the week before which tells you we're still not making any real gains or any real ground on the jobs picture in america which means the unemployment rate stays right around 9% which is, frankly, not good enough. yesterday the dow was hammered, off 248 at the close. heather: but expect it to be light today. bill: the volume will be light, yeah, but we'll see. it's been a tough week so far. heather: yeah. going into the holidays. bill: better days ahead. heather: yeah, look ahead. bill: mitt romney's headed to a critical battle ground state, and guess who's going there too? president obama's going to be there. why pennsylvania is critical in this next lefntle. heather: and she is trailing in the polls, so will last night's performance help michele bachmann close the gap? we'll ask the minnesota congresswoman when she joins us live in the next hour. bill: also, we are only one short day away from thanksgiving and a good time to think about

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heather: strong winds mixed with sand making a huge mess in oregon. believe it or not, these sand storms, they pop up every year. but locals say that it usually happens in the winter, and they have rarely seen it this bad. >> twice as bad, for sure. my husband just said twice as bad. it is worse this year. it started earlier this year. we have sand piled up all the way around the whole entire house from ground level up to our back porch. what do you do? you just have to dig it out and dig it out and dig it out, and it's over and over again. this one is above and beyond, and it's just the first one of

the season. so we're in for a doozy. heather: dig it out and dig it out. every year about a dozen homes are almost completely covered in sand. bill: remember that wedding a couple of weeks ago when the bride and groom were taken away in the sandstorm? heather: video was very dramatic. was that in arizona? bill: oh, yeah, the sandstorms in phoenix. you're exactly right. you've got to dig it out in oregon. keep on digging. all right, presidential candidate mitt romney picks up another major endorsement, senator john thune. thisthis as a poll that shows ry now ties president obama in a critical battleground state. barbara come stock, how you doing? good morning, how -- >> good morning, bill. bill: virtually tied in pennsylvania? what does that mean?

>> that means a state like virginia where they're focused on jobs in pennsylvania, and i think governor romney has made it clear that making us number one in the economy and having a strong economy is his number one priority, and he's been focused on that, you know, extensively. last night you also saw him, you know, talking about the importance of the military and our strength on foreign policy. so a strong economy, strong national security is something we have to have if we're going to be the top superpower, you know, in the 21st century -- bill: when you consider specifically in pennsylvania, you have 50% of the registered voters are democrats -- >> yeah. bill: only 37 are republicans, what does that say about what's happening around the suburbs of philadelphia or the suburbs of pittsburgh in the west? >> i think that shows you the people are very concerned about the economy, and i think the governor's message on being focused on the economy is going to resonate with those people because you do have a big group of swing voters in pennsylvania

where they, you know, look at jobs and the economy as the number one thing. and this, you know, and this president just has not focused on the economy. it's been three years now, and they still don't have a jobs plan. our unemployment rate is higher, and we've spent, you know, trillions of dollars, and things have only gotten worse. obama isn't working. you know, it's just these plans are not working -- >> he's going to make a trip there in a couple of weeks. quickly, let me just show our viewers, barbara, what happened back here in 2004. pennsylvania was such a battle ground. when george bush faced off against john kerry that year. it was a state that kerry won by three points despite losing the presidency. in 2008, however, this really wasn't much of a battle between obama and mccain. you know, obama swept that state by 11 points, 55 to 44. you know that all too well, barbara. >> well, you can't -- bill: go ahead. >> as a democrat, you can't win the presidency without pennsylvania, so this is obviously -- bill: but you could make that case about ohio and florida also.

>> well, sure. but pennsylvania is something they need to have in their column if, to put together a winning strategy. virginia's also one of those states, ohio. but when you're tied in pennsylvania at this point, i think that shows that the economic focus that -- really across the country people want our president to be focused on the economy, and this president just hasn't been. and that's what governor romney is trying to get out there so strongly. bill: i gotcha. to be clear, though, your point was about democrats winning pennsylvania, not necessarily republicans. >> oh, sure. no, no, exactly. no, democrats, yeah, that's always an essential state for them. so when you're competitive there as a republican, that is a very good sign because that is not one of the states that always has to be in our arsenal by any means. bill: what does the john thune endorsement mean? >> that is another great endorsement, he's very popular in iowa, he brings another senior voice from the senate

coming onboard. you just said kelly eye yacht who i know you all heard from this morning in new hampshire, she's gotten onboard. and i think it's, you know, what you're seeing from these senators is they want to focus on the economy. they want somebody who understands the private sector economy, has been successful in that economy, but also has a well rounded background, being an executive, as a governor, also having, you know, run the olympics, turned around the olympics. i mean, governor romney is someone who really knows how to turn around -- bill: that is part of the story too. the thinking is that thune will help romney in the western part of iowa. which is where a lot of these votes come from, you know, during the caucus period. >> right. bill: because he's from a neighboring state. but still there are endorsements in the state of iowa that would trump john thune, and they may help bachmann, ron paul or whomever else is battling there like a gingrich. >> well, sure. i think in iowa there's still a lot going on, and so we'll see a

lot more over the next month. bill: we will. >> and iowa always stays very volatile right until the end, but i think you see, you know, nationwide governor romney really putting together a strong team of supporters. bill: we're going to talk to michele bachmann coming up in 40 minutes too, she thinks she has a strong ground game. barbara comstock, great to have you. >> thank you. heather: millions of americans hitting the road, but getting to grandma's house may turn into a holiday travel nightmare. take a look at this. take a look, bill. a live look at denver's airport right now. that's where the biggest delays and troubles could be causing a lot of problems this travel day. bill: here we go, right? heather: yeah. bill: bigfoot in the aclu, why the so-called mythical figure is fighting for his rights. heather: wow. ♪

bill: code reddish shoed this turkey day. here we go. department of homeland security warning of a deadly threat, and it's your turkey fryer. that's the threat. uncle sam releasing this video that shows how to safely fry a turkey for thanksgiving feast. heather: safely? [laughter] bill: this is not how you do it, apparently. make sure you do not fry your bird in a garage or a wooden deck as displayed here, and make sure it's completely thawed out. and if you're a firefighter, you might want to have your uniform on. be safe, warning's out there. we're on record, right, heather? heather: absolutely. i love a fried turkey.

bigfoot fighting for his rights. okay, maybe not really necessarily the real bigfoot, it is an amateur film maker, actually, and he finds himself in a fight over the first amendment. the latest in our taking liberties series, douglas kennedy live in new york city with more on this story. bigfoot, really? >> reporter: yeah, yeah, bigfoot was spotted in new hampshire and then told to get a film permit. now the man playing bigfoot is suing the state claiming it violated his right to free speech. ♪ >> reporter: it was december, 2009, on the top of a mountain, one of new hampshire's premier tourist attractions. a group of hikers spots a large animal-like figure on a ridge. >> what is it that you saw? >> i saw a big, hairy man. >> reporter: was it bigfoot coming from a cave or sasquatch on a ledge? unfortunately, for the fantasy

inclined, it was just jonathan doyle in his yeti suit. this is performance art that you post on youtube? >> yep. >> reporter: it was his youtube posting that got him kicked off the mountain. park rangers caught the video on the internet, and when doyle returned to shoot a sequel a year later, they told him no. they said you were a film crew and needed a film permit. what's up with that? >> well, you've got to come up with something, you know, when basically it's just a bunch of friends out with a camera. >> reporter: doyle has now hooked up with the american civil liberties union and is suing is rangers for violating his right to free speech. the rangers say they have the right to make anyone making a film to apply for a permit. >> these could be considered analogous to filming. >> reporter: the legal argument is that youtube has

become so big that you are now like a hollywood production. what do you say to that? >> well, i think it's absurd because the way this all started, i was just going out with my friends to shoot a video, you know? i'm no hollywood production. >> reporter: whether he is or not will soon be decided by new hampshire's supreme court which is expected to rule on the case in the next couple weeks. that's it from here, heather, back the you. heather: that was a great story. and i think i spotted bigfoot behind you -- >> reporter: was there someone behind me there? heather: i spotted bigfoot. i believe. >> reporter: good, i'm glad. heather: thank you. bill: priceless. well done, douglas. a billion dollar mission to mars, nasa preparing to launch. what we could learn from the curiosity mission. so we're curious where this mission is headed. heather: i think for big things. and the republican candidates sparring over the patriot act, how newt gingrich responds to this from ron paul. >> i have a personal belief that you never have to give up liberty for security, you can

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lifelock service guarantee cannot be offered to residents of new york. bill: whole new hour, a fox news alert headed for the hawk-eye state to get some help with a few friends. mitt romney stumping in that critical election battleground state, set to pick up another high profile endorsement. he spent most of his time in new hampshire, but iowa is just as important. good morning, everybody, i'm bill hemmer, jenna is out with her family. heather: i am health they are childress in for jenna. bill: carl cameron is in des moines, iowa where he will spend the next 12 months of his life. is this another sign that romney is playing to win in iowa.

the break down is 35 days in new hampshire and five in iowa. >> reporter: the iowa caucus is virtually upon us now, with the holidays taken out and a couple of sundays where the candidates will be in church rants on the campaign it is crunch time. for mitt romney to unveil john thune's endorsement, it could be important in iowa. south dakota is directly to iowa's north. he looked very carefully at running for president and chose not to in part because he thought it he could not beat mitt romney. it is a good sign that mitt romney has a potential to win here. having said that here the iowa faith and family coalition, which had a big, big conference here last saturday that most of the candidates attended, has expressed some concern that republicans are not yet united around a single conservative, or

alternative to romney. there is consternation among the social conservatives that he will win iowa having not come paine campaigned there very much. bill: what about reaction to the debate in iowa -- the debate last night, what did they say in iowa. >> reporter: about the debate in d d.c. she took a tough shott newt gingrich for something he said last night. newt gingrich defended a path of citizenship for illegal immigrants in this count throw and in scountry and in so doing caused problems. bachmann said he may have opened

the window to illegal entry. >> i can't believe that people who have been here for generations, who are members of the community, who have children and grandchildren, who may have something 25 years ago, separate from their families annex pel and expel them. let's take the heat to enforce the law without expelling them and find a way to give them citizenship. >> reporter: mitt romney suggested that sort of approach would serve as a magnet to attract more illegal citizens to the united states. it's one of the things that frankly turned a lot of social securities in iowa against rick perry when he expressed what a lot of people thought was a soft position on illegal immigration, bill. bill: thank you, we'll see you soon. heather: a heated exchange between mitt romney and jon huntsman all over troop levels

in afghanistan, huntsman advocating a quicker drawdown than the current timetable and saying that a force of 10 to 15,000 troops on the ground is sufficient. romney is suggesting that too quick of a drawdown goes against the advice of u.s. commander's on the ground. >> i think it's important for the american people to know we have achieved raising standards in afghanistan and a civil society. as commander and chief of course you're going to listen to the generals. >> the commander-in-chief makes the final decision but he makes that on the input of people closes to the town f. if we pull out we could see that nation and pakistan become a place of terror. that's why you listen and make your decision. heather: president obama announced his plans to withdraw 33,000 troops from afghanistan

by next fall with a full hand off by 2013. bill: former pennsylvania senator rick santorum asked if security personnel, like a tsa agent at the airport should pay closer attention to certain groups rather than others. his answer prompting a prompt response from ron paul. here is the give-and-take. >> muslims shall the people that are committing these crimes by and large as well as younger males. these are things that -- not exclusively but these are things that you profile to find your best candidate. >> that's digging a whole for hours are ourselves. what if they look like timothy mcveigh. i don't remember voting on a declared declaration of war, oh, war against terrorism, and terrorism is a tactic, it isn't a person, it isn't a people. so this is a very careless use

of words. bill: santorum also says he believes the transportation security administration, the tsa should be privat pry virginia privitised. hawaiian played a anytime game with the host. >> is it okay for muslim-americans to get more intensive pat-downs or securities when they go through airports than christian americans or jewish americans. >> no, blitz, that is over simplifying here. i happen to believe if you allow our intelligence agencies to do their job they can come up with an approach, i'm sorry blitz, i meant wolf, okay. >> thank you, cain. [laughter] bill: funny moment for a lot

ever serious topics. heather: it could happen to anyone jon -- oh, i mean bill. bill: he is the only man with a beard. all taken in fun last night. michelle bachmann, a minnesota congresswoman not backing down yet despite polling which has her trailing. can that debate last night spark some resurgence? we'll talk to her in 2 24 minutes or so. heather: up first right now mother nature not cooperating, no way, on one of the busiest travel days of the year. a storm pushing through the northeast bringing heavy rains and delays at airports. the headaches started yesterday for some fliers at an airport in raleigh, north carolina. >> the aircraft arrived late in philadelphia, the one that we took, the last one, so i don't know why, maybe because of the weather, i don't know. >> it's just beginning to get a

little crow crowded. they were busy but not overly bus i. >> i don't wear, i'll stay. heather: they all seem pretty upbeat about it. travel problems could be worse today i steve brown is live at o'hare international airport in chicago where we've already seen delays at airports in philadelphia, new york as well. what is it like in the midwest? >> reporter: i'm going to be honest with you, heather, it's not a bad a situation in the mid week or the west or even in the south according to the faa. they say there are delays at philadelphia and newark, delays of up to 45 minutes. up to that it's clear sailing as you can get on a very busy travel day. 3million-plus people will get on a plane to get where they are going to thanksgiving. unfortunately they will have to dig into their pocket a little deeper to do that kind of air travel. have a listen. >> air fares are up anywhere

from 10 to 20%. new york was the highest 20% increase for average air fares. denver and orlando both coming in about 13, 14% up from last year. that's just the way it is this time of year. a lot of demand but higher prices. heather. heather: thank you very much. we appreciate it. thank you. bill: when you think about traveling, right, i'm going to just say 42 million americans will be on the road or in the air over the next coming days, that is a good number because last year is about 35 million. if we increased that much maybe it is a decent sign. >> don't really complain because you're getting to go home and be around loved ones. be thankful for that. bill: take a look at the markets right now. down on wall street we're trading considerably lower off about 146 right now to the downside we do not expect a lot of trading today, this is indicative of what is happening not just here at home with the jobs picture that came out an

hour and a half ago, concerns in european china, it's all mixed up into this big batch of negativeness at the moment. bankrupt solar company so linda already sent half a billion tax dollars up in smoke and now the taxpayers are about to smell out even more money. guess who might get a bail out this time? heather: can never tell. denver bronco's quarterback tim tebow tackling a jab to his face. what jake plummer said and his response. bill: they are all republicans, they do not agree on everything, a sparring match in last night's debate that featured this. >> i think you want to use every tool that you can possibly use to gather the intelligence, the patriot act has clearly been a key part of that and i think looking at it carefully annex tepbgd it anand extending it and building it and knowing that

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bill: denver bronco's quarterback tim tebow defending ace christian face against comments by plumber. this is what plumber says. >> i think when tebow accepts the fact and accepts jesus. i don't hate him for that, tebow said this. is it good enough to only say to your wife i love her the day you get married, or should you tell her every single day when you wake up at every opportunity. that's how i feel about my relationship with jesus, end quote. tebow is 4-1 as a starter in denver. heather: i say it every single day as much as you can. two of the leading gop contenders sparing.

ron paul debating the patriot act. grinning r-r was quick to disagree. >> i think the pay tree at particular act is unpay tree at particular, it undermines our liberty. timothy mcveigh was a sr*eubgs terrorist, he was arrested, terrorism still on the books, internationally and national lee is a crime, we should deal witness. it seems too easy that our government and congressess are so willing to give up your liberties and our security. i have a personal believe that you never have to give up liberty for security, you can still provide security without sacrificing our bill of rights. [applause] >> you want to respond mr. speak stpher. >> yeah. timothy mcveigh suggested. that's the whole point. [applause] >> timothy mcveigh killed a lot of americans. i don't want a law that says, after we lose a major american city we're sure going to come

and find you. i want a law that says, you try to takeout an american city we are going to stop you. [applause] heather: alan colmes host of the alan colmes show and justin stacy former publisher for jeb bush is joining us. thanks for joining us. you disagree with ron paul. >> absolutely i disagree with him. i have agree with speaker gingrich on this. first of all, timothy mcveigh was able to commit an act of terrorism and the goal of the patriotic act is to prevent terrorism. it's a constitutional duty. i also don't think that ron paul got it right when he said you don't have to sacrifice freedom for security in the bill of rise. the second amountment is a very information right to bear arms. millions of americans are going

to be traveling on airplanes today and they for quit their right to bear arms. i don't think the second amendment believes that you should be able to bring handguns, and rifles and shotguns on airplanes. that's where ron paul's philosophy is bumper sticker politics and it's wrong. heather: alan colmes what about you? >> we have that right. ideally you should be against the patriot act like ron paul is. part of the patriot act is they can look at your gun records, our library records they don't even need a name attached to a search warrant, they don't even probable cause. if you're someone who favors gun rights you'd be very much against the patriot act. he is exactly right on this. i really like ron paul, although not everything as a liberal tkepl krafplt he has it exactly right on this. he's a very important voice to this debay. he is standing up for being free. once we sacrifice our safety in

the name of freedom we as benjamin franklin said, deserve neither. it almost sounds trite to say the terrorists have won. they don't take away our freedom, we do. that's what we are doing here with the patriot act. heather: you're completely comfortable with someone getting on a plane with you, going home for thanksgiving and they are armed? >> i didn't say that. there is no evidence that the patriot act would prevent that or prevented tim mcveigh. i think newt gingrich, although i think he was right last night in immigration was really wrong about that. he doesn't know that the patriot act would have stopped timothy mcveigh. there is no evidence the patriot act would do any of that, which is why it's so important to preserve our freedom and preserve the constitution. conservatives say help love the constitution, how about honoring it. heather: 42 terrorist attacks aimed at the u.s. have been thwarted since 9/11. we know that, right >> we do know that, and that is

the whole point. the point is as was made in the debate last night that during the 2000 election george w. bush was not asked once about al-qaida. 2001, 9/11 changed that. we now know we have people who want to commit acts of terrorism in the united states. that justifies more of a response and it justifies the patriot act. i'm sensitive to the act that we do want to protect our freedoms, we don't want to gulf coast become a police stage. america is the freess country on earth and that's our competitive challenge. >> that sounds like a bumper sticker. we have these kinds of battoning down the hatches, where the president can declare anybody an enemy combatant. if we think we are safer, we're

going to get attacked, sadly. it's an illusion that we are somehow safer because of these laws. we are not. we really come proceed moist o compromise our cals. heathervalues. heather: we have to wrap it up. happy thanksgiving. bill: what has people talking about michelle bachmann this morning? we will talk to her about that live in a few minutes. day tuned. heather: it is supposed to be the biggest, the badest the most high to*ebg spacecraf high-tech spacecraft ever. but it doesn't come cheap. where is it headed? stay tuned. welcome idaho, where they grow america's favorite potoes.

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heather: welcome back a. new twist to tell you about into the investigation of natalie wood's death 30 years ago. apparently the lifeguard who helped pill the actresses body from the water that he believes wood could have been saved had a search begun earlier. she was vacationing with her husband, robert wagner and christopher walken as well. the investigation was reopened last week. bill: it is the most high-tech spacecraft to ever attempt landing on another planet. nasa is tk to launch it. it is kraol. it's called the mars laboratory. the whole thing cost $2.4 billion. is it worth it?

michio is a professor, good morning to you. the best seller list. >> that's right number 6. bill: i'm prepared to be wo*ud about mars. >> this is big, this is bad it's the godzilla of space probes. this is the size of a mini bus, ten feet long, it's five times bigger than any previous space probe. it makes previous space probes look like cartoon characters. ten times more scientific equipment than any other previous. bill: why do we need it? that is a lot of money especially in these times. >> right. so far we've seen no evidence of life off mars. maybe we haven't looked hard enough. mars belches methane gas. there does it come from? some people think it's dekhrae

decaying microbial life underneath the surface. bill: if they were able to prove that to you, and this is your business, how would you change life. >> it would change everything. dna perhaps could get off on different environments. perhaps there was cross vert ta liization on mars and earth. some think life started first on mars, if you want to see a martian look in the mirror. bill: it's one strike and your out as one scientist explained it. the track record recently is pretty darn good. can nasa do this. >> about one-third of our space probes make it to mars. two-thirds get lost in space. bill: two-thirds? that's the mars jinx. >> mars probe realize we don't send them every year, we only send them everywo year, every

four years when there is a window. that's why this is worth every penny. when the space shuttle goes up it's almost a billion dollars per launch of the space sheult. this is a space craft that is really cheap compared to the standard cost of a space shuttle. bill: it's a 400 million-mile journey. we'll see how this goes. thank you, michio. thank you. heather: the godzilla of space probes i think he said. that is myself. michelle bachmann making waves at the gop presidential debate. >> until pakistan clearly shows that they have america's best interests in mind i would not send them one penny. >> with all due respect to the governor i think that is highly naive. heather: the minnesota congresswoman joins us live. bill: we'll ask her about that. mother nature in a bad mood. just when it may hurt the most. gearing up for a nightmare on the busiest day of the year.

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over 40 million americans, set to pack up their cars, hit the road, and now parts of the northeast, under advisories, watches, or severe weather warnings. rick reichmuth is live for us in the extreme weather center with all the details. hey rick. >> reporter: not looking that bad so far, new york city, a little rain out there, but no delays going on at all, newark, you got about 30 minute delays, philadelphia, 45, and that's all we have going. so if we're at around 10:00 in the morning on thanksgiving day with a dumb of storms out there, that's not that bad. here's what i think we are going to see today, i think newark, heavy delays at times, pittsburgh, light delays, baltimore, maybe more moderate and towards orlando, a few thunderstorms moving through this afternoon. that will likely cause a few delays, that's all because of this system here but i got to tell you, this is beginning to exit the coast and that's good news. behind it, it will be a little breezy but not a horrible windy day. that's good. sometimes you got

significant wind behind these storms and that's not the case. it will take until the afternoon before the storm is out of here. if we can get through this morning without piling up delays, that's good. the next system will be the next weather maker and it will affect some people on the way home saturday and sunday. heather. heather: thank you very much. rick, are you heading out? >> >> reporter: i'm not. i am here. heather: all right, i'll see you tomorrow. bill: michele bachmann and governor rick perry, clashing over billions of dollars in u.s. aid to pakistan, the minnesota congresswoman that says while our relationship with pakistan is imperfect, it is critical to fighting the war on terror. this from last night. >> a nation that lies, that does everything possible that you could imagine wrong, at the same time, they do share intelligence data with us regarding al-qaeda. and i also think that pakistan as a nation, it's kind of like too nuclear to fail. >> the bottom line is they showed us time after time they can't be trusted and until pakistan clearly shows that they have america's

best interest in mind, i would not send them one penny. >> well, with all due respect to the governor, i think that's highly naive, because again, we have to recognize what's happening on the ground. bill: michele bachmann is with me now out of washington. she's got a new book out that's called "core of conviction" and we welcome the congresswoman. how you doing and good morning! thank you for getting up for us. >> good morning. enjoyed the debate last night. love it when we talk about national security. bit bit politico.com is talking about you being an overperformer, meaning you weren't expected to do as well as the others and your performance according to one review was pretty decent. what did you mean by pakistan is too knewcally to fail? >> that came from an atlantic monthly article that i read, and it means that pakistan has not only one nuclear weapon, they have multiple nuclear weapon, they have a thin venire of government in order to protect the weapons, a lot of pakistan is run by the military, and

pakistan, of all nations, has the ability to be penetrated by radical jihadists who could get access to these nuclear weapons. there are 15 sites that are available that potentially could be accelible by jihadists, there have been six attempts, some recently. this is a very real issue that nuclear weapons and nuclear parts and fissile material could actually get into the hands of terrorists. and make its way to the united states. bill: if you were president, would you embrace pakistan more or back away? or keep the relationship where it is? >> it's a tough relationship. it's tenuous. we do need to be engaged and involved with pakistan. we need to hold them to a greater level of accountability than we have. as i said last night our foreign policy can't simply be crossing your fingers and hoping everything turns out well. we know that the chinese want to have influence in pakistan. certainly iran wants to have influence. the united states can't back off having influence, because this is a very

volatile, unstable nation, and we can't allow those nuclear weapons to get into the hands of unstable people who would do harm to cities here in the united states. bill: now, that was one issue you took up with rick perry. another issue with newt gingrich was immigration, you accused him of embracing a policy of amnesty, when the former speaker made a point of saying that was not his idea. now, why did you go after him on that reaction? >> well, it's not just me saying it. there's an immigration organization that has given speaker gingrich a d minus of a grade on immigration, because the speaker has said in previous statements that he would make legal 11 million illegal alien workers in the united states today. to make them legal is in effect a form of amnesty and he has also said he embraces the dream act at the federal level, that's the federal government providing taxpayer-subsidized college tuition for children of illegal aliens.

bill: but specifically to his point, if you have been here 25 years, legal or not, we cannot uproot you is the point that he was making, we cannot send you and your family home. you would disagree with that? >> of course that's the extreme example. he's not saying that people have been here 25 years would be given legal status. he's saying that all people who are here as illegal workers would be given that status. that's over 11 million people that are here illegally. bill: to be clear on this, in the post debate interview that i witnessed, he made a clear distinction between the people who have been here for a couple of decades, i believe is the words he used, and those who have been here in recent years. >> and bill, that would be a contradiction of the statement that the speaker has made earlier that he would make 11 million illegal workers legal. so those are two different statements that the speaker is making. but he's been on both sides -- >> bill: i got you. the other thing you said

last night is you have identified more voters in iowa than mike huckabee had in 20 08. are you predicting victory in iowa? >> we certainly are. we're working very hard to that end. we're doing exactly what we need to do in iowa. we're working the ground game, which is identifying supporters and then now we have to make sure that we get them to the polls, and so my website is michele bachmann.com, people can come and they can help be a volunteer free and online from anywhere across the country. so we're inviting people to be a part of the successful team. bill: just to be clear you're saying you're going to win in iowa on the third of january. >> of course. that's our objective. bill: all right. you get a nice writeup today in the "washington post" for our new book, talking about your priorities as a mother first and as a woman, and this topic sort of crossed itself past week after your appearance on the jimmy faloon show on nbc, heas since said he's sorry for a song that was played upon your introduction. were you aware of the song and since that time, what do

you think of what happened the other night? >> i wasn't aware of it at all. i didn't find out until later yesterday, and at that point, i was traveling and making my way to the presidential debate. i'm hoping to be able to speak to jimmy fallon today. i don't have anything against jimmy fallon. i love him, it was a kick, it was a great opportunity to be on the show, i'd love to go back again, but i think the point is if that had been michelle obama who had come out on the stage and if that song had been played for michelle obama i have no doubt that nbc would have apologized to her and likely they could have fired the drummer at least suspended him. none of that happened from nbc, and this is clearly a form of bias on the part of the hollywood entertainment elite but also i think a sexism as well. this wouldn't be tolerated if this was michelle obama. it shouldn't be tolerated if it's a conservative woman, either. bill: you'll speak with fallon today. what will you tell him? >> i will. well, of course i accept jimmy's apology but this

really needs to come from nbc, and this is an outrage that happened. bill: michele bachmann, thank you for your time. >> thank you. bill: see you down the road, stphobg perhaps in iowa! >> undoubtedly. bill: thank you. heather: u.s. veterans enjoying the sweet taste of success, finding a new career in wine making. claudia cowen is live for us in san francisco, with that story. hi claudia. >> hi heather. you know, each bottle of lavish lanes represents the achievement of a very unique winery. as the label says it's own and operated by veterans who couldn't find a job until they found josh lane. >> it's all about providing for our own, and that's what i want to do is make sure veterans are taken care of. >> reporter: the former marine says after he got into california wine making several years ago he recruited some of his buddy to help him out, grunt work as he called and quickly discovered veterans make terrific vintners.

>> veterans don't have to be micromanaged, they know how to take a task, carry it out and get it done. >> it's almost like being in the military again, but there's no stress whatsoever. it's easy to come out here and work. >> reporter: after three years of job hunting, kelly says he's found camaraderie, as well as a good paycheck. >> some of this wine is also topped for topping the barrels. >> bob schumacher is ex-army. >> i think the veterans help to promote further growth and it tkpwefs us a competitive advantage to be quite honest. but it's the wine that people are here for. >> as the nation gives thanks this holiday weekend, the winery's mission is clear. a toast to go to those that sacrificed for their country. >> and to the returning veterans, welcome home! and come see us, and we'll try and take care of you. >> reporter: and today, 42 veterans helped produce 3000 cases of wine a year, a good amount for a startup winery which plans to expand into states like oregon and

nevada, cope w-g a growing number of unemployed service members. h*t health thank you very much, claudia cowen rogue live for usful bill: this is a fox news alert. heather: breaking news. bill: live to the white house, the president and his two daughters, the annual turkey party. check th out! >> well, here's another one. we can't wait to pardon these turkeys! literally! otherwise, they'd end up next to the mashed potatoes and stuffing. i want to thank richard hyzingea, chairman of the national turkey federation and his family for donating this turkey from his farm in wilmar, minnesota, the turkey's name is liberty, there he is, along with his understudy, named peace, he has the distinction of being the luckest bird on the -- luckiest bird on the face of the earth, and right now, he's also probably one of the most confused.

liberty was chosen from a flock of about 30 other contestants for the honor of being here today, and for the first time in history, these two turkeys were raised by four students from nearby wilmar high school. now, i'm told that in order to prepare liberty and peace for their big day, the students expose them to loud noises and flash bulbs so that they'd be ready to face the white house press corps. this is actually true. they also received the most important part of their media training, which involves learning how to gobble without really saying anything. >> [laughter] so liberty is ready for his turn in the spotlight, and after he finishes a round of cable hits and a few sunday shows, he's going to retire to a life of leisure at mount vernon, the same place where george washington

spent his golden years, and later today, michelle, malea, sasha and i will be taking two unnamed turkeys who weren't so lucky to a local food bank here in d.c. that helps those in need. and i want to thank the folks at jan dale's turkey farm for donating the dressed birds for the third year in a row. a great writer once called thanksgiving the one day that is ours. the one day that is purely american. when we gather around our tables tomorrow to share the fruits of our blessings, let's remember what that means. let's be grateful for what we have, let's be mindful of those who have less, let's appreciate those who hold a special place in our lives and make sure that they know it, and let's think about those who can't spend the holiday with their loved ones. bill: nice words. nice words for the thanksgiving holiday. here's the liberty! here's to peace! maybe you be blessed with a

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bill: so while we had to go to commercial, that was the scene at the white house. that's great. the official par donning on behalf of the first family, and the president. that's nice. happy thanksgiving, everybody! that is an annual tradition and we wanted to share it with you. thirteen minutes now before the hour. heather: liberty has been liberated, he is free! unc the sam, challenging a watered down version of a state immigration crackdown, calling it unconstitutional. utah, passing a series of new laws, similar to but waerbg than laws on the books in arizona and alabama. this version does not make it a crime to be in the state illegally. it only requires an investigation into legal status after arrests for a felony or miss 19or and essentially allows illegal immigrants to stay in the states if they work and

don't commit any crimes. tom dupree, former deputy -- assistant deputy attorney general is here to break that down for us. expand on that a little more, tell me how this is different than other states going through this right now. >> well, heather, as you noted, the utah statute is somewhat of a watered down version, a similar statute that we've seen other states enact. i think the justice department's decision to go into federal court and to ask the court to declare the statute unconstitutional is a little surprising, but at the same time, it's very consistent with the way the administration has approached these sorts of state laws. they say that they conflict with federal authority in this area, and they ask the federal courts to strike them down. >> and i do want to ask you one thing that janet napolitano has said. she said that the problem, one of them with states enforcing law like these is that it would divert law enforcement resources. do you see that as a problem? >> well, in theory it could divert resources but as i read the utah statute it

simply asks law enforcement officers to ascertain the citizenship status of people that they arrest, so it doesn't seem that it's going too far beyond what states currently do already, or at least many states already do as a matter of course. so i think the secretary may be right in that there might be some slight increase or some slight increased resources but i don't think it's something that would overwhelm the system by any stretch of the imagination. heather: what will the chances of this law being held constitutional versus alabama, arizona, what are the chances? stkpwao you would think this law has a better chance of survival than some of the other laws, because it's more narrowly drawn and in fact during the legislative process, the utah legislators were very cognizant of the constitutional limitations on their authority in this area and emphasized they went to great pains to write a statute in a way that would survive review by a federal court, so you never know what a court will do or how a court might approach these issues but at least the way they've gone about

it, it seems to be a fairly careful way. heather: we will see what happens. thank you very much, tom dupree, thank you for your insight. >> thanks heather. bill: you are already on the hook for half a billion dollars after the collapse of solyndra. now guess who else is about to get more of your taxpayer dollars because that company went belly up? [ male announcer ] how are we going to make this season better than the last? how about making it brighter. more colorful. ♪ and putting all our helpers to work? so we can build on our favorite traditions by adding a few new ones. we've all got garlands and budgets to stretch. and this year, we can keep them both evergreen. more saving. more doing. that's the power of the home depot. make your season even brighter with 300-count icicle lights for just $7.48.

heather: and welcome back. workers laid off when solyndra collapsed now set to get more aid from taxpayers, the sowar firm went belly up after getting half a billion dollars in federal loans and now the labor department says hundreds of people who lost their jobs are elableo

eligible for the trade adjustment assistance. that's taxpayer-backed benefit designs to help those who lost their jobs because production was shifted overseas. bill: on our election board, the key is the economy, woe know -- we knee, for the next 11 months. to show you the map in behind us, as we key in on jobs and the america, specifically the economy in the state of florida, on the map, the deeper the red, the more trouble you're in, the lighter the red or even green, the better off you are. florida has been hit so hard, going back over the past three years, jobs in florida, a loss of 170,000, unemployment rate in florida, 10.3%, that's a full point higher than the national average. steve harrigan is checking in from winterhaven, florida where jobs are issue number one. hey steve, good morning. >> reporter: bill, jobs are the issue for the key voters along this i4 corridor, some of the new employees at the legoland park behind me have been

looking for their jobs for years. >> have a wonderful day in the park! >> when the mortgage company brenda barnhill worked for went bust it took two years to find another job. she did things she never thought she'd do. >> i applied for food stamps. i've never had public assistance of any sort. we were getting late notices, and i'm a really upbeat kind of person, so i didn't get real down. just you know, at night, where it's like oh, i wish something good would have happened. >> reporter: something good did happen for the 49-year-old mother of four. >> welcome to legoland! >> the new legoland in winter haven brought 1000 jobs to a county where unemployment is over 12 percent. the single issue of jobs is what unites swing voters across central florida. >> they want jobs to be created and they want government polices that are going to help create t. so it's going to be up to the candidates to formulate that vision and try to sell it to the people. >> have great day!

>> reporter: current level of government spending may prove a hard sell to people like barnhill. >> i can't go and purchase something for $500 if i don't have $500. it's hard to understand how that happens, you know, how government gets to spend lots and lots of money that they don't have. >> reporter: in central florida, the impression is there are two sets of rules, one for family, the other for the government. bill: steve is there along the corridor between attacha and daytona. steve, thank you. heather: the occupiers have a gripe with wall street, but plenty of cities have a gripe with them. big impact from this movement. what's going on here? hey, whats up guys?

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