thanks for watching this special edition of the o'reilly factor tonight. i am bill o'reilly royally. please remember that the spin stops right here because we are definitely looking out for you. >> welcome to a very special edition of has been take. and former vice president dick cheney's new book hit the shelves a few days ago. it's already stirring up confidence in washington d.c. now former secretary of state collin powell may be one of the most riled up about the contents. in the book the vice president said he was not sad about of hearing about general powell's resignation in 2004, noting that powell went out of his pay criticizing the bush administration while he was still in there. >> mr. cheney has had a long and

distinguished career i hope that's what he will focus on, not the cheap shots he's taking at me and other members of the administration who served for president bush. he said i went out of my way not to present my positions to the president , but to take them outside of the administration. that's nonsense. >> we are honored to have former violation president dick cheney with us for the hour l vice president, thank you for being with us. >> john, it's great to be here. [applause] >> were you surprised at collin powell's comments, secretary powell's comments? >> i was a bit, because it clear if he read the book he only read a part of it because there is a lot of time devoted in the first half of the book basically to my early career, going back to my early days growing up. but then also three chapters, for example, on my time in the defense department where general powell was chairman of the joint chiefs of staffs. i got him appointed to the post

and we worked together very closely and successfully i think through desert storm and the breakup of the soviet union and did some good work together. by the time we got down to me being in the voice presidency and him secretary of state, obviously the relationship had groned somewhat strained. >> you actually wrote in the book that powell was disdainful and the supportive of the president's policy. he personally made over the united nations and made the case about wmd, that he personally went out of his way to confirm the information because he didn't accept it on its face value. >> he did. he spent a lot of time putting together that presentation with personal they will that the cia and had george tenant go up and accompany him for the presentation for the united nations. turn out a lot of it wasn't true. >> you even go into this in some detail here and you said the president, as he was making that

decision, he turned to george tenant. how good is the intell on wmd. his answer? >> his answer was it's a slam-dunk, mr. president. we can go back and argue about intelligence, and it's a tough business. i have a lot of sympathy any with the problems the community is faced with. it would be nice if it were all neat, packaged, but it rarely is. this was a case obviously where it was -- some of it was flawed. >> do you think a lot of this comes from, especially as it relates to colin powell, i was a little surprised, he kept saying mr. cheney, mr. cheney, rather than mr. vice president. but secretary powell. did you say that as a little slight on his part? >> no, i didn't. this isn't a book that's aimed at collin powell. the president has written a book and the president has, condi rice is writing a book, this is

my contribution to the books. >> the history, right? >> and i really wanted to record, if i can put it in those terms for my kids and grandkids, what it is i spent my career doing over the last 40 years, how i did it, why i did it. the kinds of decisions that i participated in. and that's the basic thrust of the book. it is broad gauge, it does cover 70 years of my life. i think it's a good book. >> i do too and it's fascinating. we will talk a lot about it. one last question on colin powell. you said he felt embarrassed as it relates to the present takings before the united nations and he web out there wrongfully and that caused him to lash out at others. had retrospect, knowing what we ow now, does that change your been about saddam hussein, about iraq, did whether or not this was the right thing to do and whether or not the world is better off? >> well, it doesn't, sean, partly because the sort of

shorthand basically says we didn't find by wmd. if you go book and look at the report put together by the experts that went in and surveyed, spent a couple of years looking at all of the information that was available, while they didn't find stockpiles, they did in fact find a government that clearly had the capacity to go back into production of weapons of mass destruction, had the basic raw materials, had the personnel and the technical know how to do that and there was every reason to believe that was, in fact, what saddam hussein would do as soon as the sanctions were lifted and he was back free of the restraints that's correct the international community had tried to impose on him. so the facts are, to say that there were no stockpiles, that's accurate. to say there was no wmd at all or interest or threats of it, that's not accurate. >> we have a lot to talk about but i want to ask you one question. you were very forthcoming when we were together in wyoming.

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>> welcome back to a special edition of hannity. tonight i'm joined by the former vice president of the united states, dick cheney, and his book, a personal memoir, he takes us behind the scenes of the bush presidency, even talking about his contentious relationship with secretary condoleezza rice. at one point he describes, and he talks about the often talked about 16 words of the 2003 state of the union address that described an attempt by saddam hussein to acquire yellow cake uranium in. in july of 2003 dr. rice apologized for that part of her speech and in his memoir he describes the disastrous effect of that apology. to talk about that and more and the 46th vice president of the united states, dick cheney. those 16 words, joe wilson and valerie plane became a biggish

out. at one point you described condoleezza rice came into your office, i think you used the words tiery-eyed and apologized for the apology? >> she basically came in and said i had been right when i argued against making a public apology for the inclusion of the 16 words in the state of the union address. i didn't mean to single out or pick on secretary rice at all, but it was a lesson, i felt, in how you shouldn't proceed under those circumstances. the fact of the matter was the brits said that it was a true statement. the president quoted the british and they checked it and re checked it and said this is in fact true, saddam had representation that went there seeking yellow cake from their government. the problem was that once you apologize for it, which is what happened in this case, it started a feeding frenzy. the press went wild. then there was the great manhunt

to find who was responsible for putting those lines in the president's speech as though it was not true. it became part of the whole notion that somehow the president lied about what we found with respect to iraq because that statement was in his state of the union speech. fact of the matter it was a true statement, it was an accurate statement. >> and still to this day confirmed by british intelligence. that never changed. >> absolutely. that never changed. and all of this fed into the effort to claim that my office and or others, scooter, and libby, he was my top guy, that they had been involved or charged , in effect, unfairly as having leaked information about joe wilson's wife. it turned out the leak was at the state department, the secretary deputy of defense, and it led to a long two-year investigation that was enormously painful for a lot of

people. >> yeah. what condi said was we would not have put in the speech if we had known -- if we knew now what we knew. >> right. >> so that was -- you found that that was devastate to go the administration because then it became bush lied, people died, we went to war, et cetera and et cetera. >> set off the whole firestorm that we had to live with the next couple of years. >> patrick fits jared was the special prosecutor and new from day one that in fact the leak came from richard armatage and then you describe a meeting with armatage knew he was the guy, powell knew he was the guy, who should have that investigation at that moment stopped and ended right there? >> i think the right response, remember again the thing that started the investigation was in fact this issue of who was responsible for the leak, the

cia employees named to the press. and, in fact, once they knew that it was rich armatage and fitzgerald knew that, it should have been the end of it, and it wasn't. it was drug out over a long period of time, dozens of people hauled before the grand jury and it, in fact, created enormous problems for us. there was a point at which i think it was on october 7th, i believe, of 2003, there was a cabinet meeting. as the press came in after the cabinet meet to go take pictures, their normal photo open, they asked the question about this issue, who was responsible for the leak, and he said he didn't know but he wanted to find out. the person who knew was sitting right next to him, it was colin

powell. but, of course, none of that of came out until much, much later after the damage had been done and people's reputations had been badly sullied and people had to spend money on lawyers all because it was targeted on this investigation. >> why would they not speak up, knowing that, you know, that not only scooter libby, karl rove, if reports are correct came very close to indictment, within hours, we are told, and then a lot of people, a lot of staff members had to spend tens of thousands and dollars, and not being paid a lot, to hire lawyers to fight this when we knew who the leaker was in the beginning and patrick fitzgerald's question was answered? >> but we didn't know it. armatage new. >> one of the biggest arguments that you of had with president bush was over scooter libby. now that you learn, now that we know in hindsight that they knew, is it that anger you?

>> yes, it does. >> why? >> well, because i thought it contributed to a terrible environment in which people's representations were unnecessarily sullied and which provided the opportunity for the justice department, in this case the special prosecutor, to go forward with this matt i have investigation that -- massive investigation that cost the government a lot of moy and with the federal government you have to pay your own legal fees when it's a criminal fees. you have to pay money for legal advice, i did, because i was questioned many times. >> i know you want a full and complete pardon for scooter and you asked the president, according to reports on numerous occasions, and you guys had a close relationship. you say a lot of nice things about the president in this boom. tell us about how that conversation went. >> well, i explained in my book that as we got down to the end of the administration, that the

president had, in fact, altered scooter's sentence. >> he commuted it. >> he commuted it. >> right. >> but nonetheless, i thought that it be appropriate that there be a pardon and scooter be pardoned. the president disagreed. he's the one that had to make the decision. at the tail end of the administration, the last week we were in office, he decided there wouldn't be any more pardons and that meant there wouldn't be a pardon for scooter. i disagreed with that. i still disagree with it. obviously i have a lot of respect for the president. i'm delighted he gave me the opportunity to serve. we had our disagreements, and this was one of them. >> how did it go? how hard did you push? because you can be pretty persuasive. >> there was no question that it was his call. there was no question that i thought he should have made a different decision, and i was forthright in expressing my viewpoint. >> okay. we will continue. we have more with vice president

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. >> welcome back to "hannity" as we continue with former vice president dick cheney and his memoires. it hit bookshelves this week. it contains very candid moments from his eight years in office, including his request for former president bush to pardon scooter libby. he said, quote, mr. president, you are leaving a good man wounded on the field of battle. i want to go back to this one second here because you write about this extensively and, you know, you said that you were angry about this. and you used those words. bring us inside, was the conversation in the oval office, where did that final conversation take place? >> well, this particular one was actually in the small office next to the oval office where we had lunch once a week. it's where the president had lunch just about every day. and this was the last meeting of, you know, eight years worth of meetings where the two of us would sit down alone and talk

about whatever was on his mind or on my mind. and those were great sessions, important sessions, but this one was obviously that took place under this cloud. at that meeting he informed me there weren't going to be any more poured donees and as a result of that it meant scooter wasn't going to have a pardon and i thought he deserved one, that he was an innocent man treated harshly by the system. >> those are harsh words because i know we both know how the president feels about people who put their lives on the lines. i've seen him with the families of the fallen. was it contentious, was it friendly? >> no, it was -- there was tension in the room, i would say. he felt strongly about it and i felt strongly about it. a short time later we went out to andrews air force base on our last day in office after we had sworn in president obama and so

forth and we flew out to andrews and there we had sort after departure ceremony where we had a lot of the people who worked for us for 8 years gathered together and i got up and said nice things about the president and we did a joint departure ceremony, if you will. we got on the air a -- airplanes and flew back to wyoming and texas. i have a lot of respect for george bush. i was delighted to work for him, honored to be asked and he gave me a tremendous opportunity to serve. he made many courageous decisions as president. i had hoped that this would be one of them, but unfortunately it wasn't. >> you suggested to president bush that he replace you midway in 2004. >> i did. i thought it was important for him to think about it. we had been through the

experience with his father, something he talk about previously, whereas we approached i guess it would have been the '92 election, and his father was running for re-election and the question is whether or not he should have gotten a new vice president. not to say anything negative about dan quayle, but that's one of the few things a candidate can do at that time to try to bring some new wrinkle to the campaign and i thought it was very important that he think about that. after four years i was a target for a lot of my critics, darth vader and so forth. >> still are. >> still are or i am. and i thought it should be a conscious decision and i wanted him to know that if he made the decision that if he wanted to have somebody else in that job for his second term, that was fine by me. >> how did that go over? >> well, the first couple of times he didn't pay a lot of attention to me when i said it. i went back in the third time and i said mr. president, you

really need to think about this. i'm happy to continue to serve if that's what you want, but you need to know that i'm perfectly happy to leave and make room for somebody else if you want to put somebody else on the ticket. so then he went away and thought about it for a few days and came back and said, no, dick, he said this is a great team and we are going to continue as we have. i was glad he picked me, but i was also glad that he felt -- i felt he had the opportunity to make a change if he wanted. >> i noticed in one of the interviews that you recently gave that there was -- i guess the liberal media, you know how they work, but i felt that they were trying to put a wedge between you and president obama, or for you to sort of take over and say, no, i really made these decisions. and you kept going back again and again, even on the scooter libby decision, and every other decision there was a moment are you were alone with the president and he said dick, you

stay, and you said no, no, no, these are your decisions. how will history judge the presidency of george w. bush with you being his vice president? >> i think set me aside for a moment, administrations don't rise or fall in the estimate of the historians based on the vice president. not ordinarily. that's a pretty rare occurrence. i think when you look at george bush's presidency, you will find, and 100 years from now we will look back on it and see that it was a very consequence presidency, had a big impact partly because of 9/11 and the aftermath of 9/11 because of all that we did to keep the country save in the seven and a half years after 9/11 so there were no further mass casualty attacks against the united states. the president made some very, very big decisions like the terrorist surveillance program

or the enhanced interrogation program. the decision was respect to afghanistan and iraq. these were life-and-death decisions really. and i think as a direct result of what he did as president, we got through that period in relatively good shape. as you look back on it now i think he was a bold, decisive leader, and i give him a lot of credit for the quality, if you will, of his presidential leadership. >> we will take a break. coming up, how vice president cheney convinced the president to include one all-important word in a pivotal speech on iraq, and it's one that the other chief advisers didn't want him to say. that and much more straight ahead. [ fe or creates another laptop bag, or hires another employee,

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former vice president cheney's controversial memoir hit the >> welcome back to "hannity." dick cheney's book includes discussions on an oval office meeting that took place before a joint press conference. in that meeting the president said several top aids advised that the word "contradict victory" be removed on the president's remarks on iraq. however, the vice president spoke up and described very bluntly the symbolism and importance of that word. a few hours later when he took to the make phone he sided with the vice president saying "victory" in iraq is important. month tell us about it. that's an interesting meeting. >> well, it was an interesting meeting. it was preparer to to the joint press conference that the president held with tony blair. it's not unusual that staff

people argue about what ought to go into a presidential speech. i didn't spend that much time on the president's speeches because he devoted so much time to it himself. he cared a lot about it, but every once in a while i would be asked or something came up that i was concerned that "victory" would be left out about our praying notice iraq or afghanistan and i thought it was very important it be in. part of it was my -- it's my educational process as secretary of defense and having been in charge of the defense department through desert storm. the troops want to know what the mission is, they want to know that they are supported wholeheartedly in terms of the civilian leadership and the military leadership and they want to know they will have the re sources to do the job. what they don't need is any question, if you will, or doubt coming out of washington and out of the political accomplishment

about whether or not their mission is to achieve victory in whatever assignment they have been given. >> this became very controversial, and it also begs the question that since the time you have left office and president bush has left. president obama seems to have had a hard time using the word "terrorism" for war on terrorism. disasters come to mind or overseas contingency operations comes to mind. what do you make of, he went on this apology tour. as you saw all these events occur, what were you thinking? >> i obviously agree with president obama about a number of matters a number of issues. i did not support him when he ran for president. >> i'm shocked. [laughter] >> and i felt after he took over that it was a mistake for him to immediately launch on a campaign to try to close guantanamo and

shut down our interrogation program and dramatically reduce our presence various places where we had difficult assignments that the military had undertaken. >> do you think he projects weakness? >> i think he did in those early days. i think -- i fell as though there were a tendency on his part to want to apologize for america being america. when we talked about the unique aspects of our history, exceptionalism of the united states of america, that has very special meaning and significance i think for most of us. i wasn't sure that the president shared that same view. >> he was given a chance to answer that and he said i'm sure everyone else feels exceptional, as well. i was watching the operation in libya and i almost began to wonder whether or not he supported the bush doctrine and the idea of perempts because that was the argument they used in support of their argument in

libya, which i backed away from and then which he supported later. does that mean anything to you? >> well, he has, in some respects, retreated from those positions he took early on in the first weeks of his administration. guantanamo is still open, they still have military commissions for crutch suspects and so forth. and i think you have got to give him credit for the operation to get osama bin laden. there was a lot of work that went into that, the professionals in the intelligence and the military community had done tremendous work tore ten years. >> we have to be clear here, would that have happened but for enhanced interrogation, black sites, rendition, the very policies you supported, the very policies he called torture? >> i don't believe it would have but that's one man's view. we had leon panetta, for example, while he was still cia director basically said that he believed some of the intelligence we collected by those methods from the earlier period while we were still in office contributed to the

ability to track down osama bin laden and finally kill him. but i think at the time that it happened i made a public saying! that i thought president obama handled that well, that he made a good decision to send in seal team 6 and they had obviously done a good job completing the assignment. so i don't want to convey just a totally negative message where president obama is concerned in this regard, but i do feel that i wished especially the thing that concerned me was when there was talk about the possibility of prosecuting members of the intelligence community who had been involved in carrying out our policies in the pursuit of keeping the country safe. at the outset the president and his attorney general talked about doing exactly that. now eventually they backed off of it. i think there are only two individuals left whose cases are being reviewed, but all of the others had been reviewed before

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obama, i think he will be a one term president. why? >> i think the economy will be a major problem for him going into the election campaign. i think the american people recognize that the policies that he promoted when he first came to office clearly haven't produced any significant results. we have a high rate of unemployment, we have millions of americans out of work that badly need to find jobs. we need, i think, to adopt an aggressive growth policy that promotes the expansion of the private sector and the creation of wealth, creations of jobs and creations of opportunities for people. so far he hasn't been able to provide that. >> what do you think everything that you hear the president blame the bush administration, blame his predecessor, i inherited, and the tsunami and the earthquake in japan, and he blames an awful lot. you and president bush seem to

be the target a lot. as you hear that, what are you thinking? >> it sounds like sort of politics as usual and i think it doesn't wear well over time. certainly there's room when you are running for office to make charges against the incumbent. that's the way we often do business. but it's been nearly three years now. whatever you can say about this economy, it's increasingly his economy, his responsibility. and if it's not producing the results that he says he wants, then i think most americans, you have to look to the current occupant in the white house, not the last one. >> we found a clip last week that we played on thisprogram. it was july 3, 2008. it was then candidate obama. he said george bush in his lonesome in eight years accumulated $4 trillion in debt, and he actually used the word he said it was unpatriotic. and now he's been president two and a half years and low and behold he hit that $4 trillion in obama debt in that period of

time. do you think he's in over his head? do you think he was ready for this job? do you think he understands the economy as you watch him make decisions? you have been there. you have been there since your 30s in washington and you have held many decisions, chief of staff, vice president, secretary of defense. when you look at the president and watch him make his moves, what do you think about him? >> well, i was -- i was surprised. i remember going out to campaign for his opponent when he first ran for the senate. his opponent withdrew from the race. >> jack ryan. >> yes. but he ended up virtually unopposed in the first race. allen keys i guess ran against him. >> came in late. >> and then came down and i swore him in. that's one of the jobs of the vice president, swear in new senators. the next thing i knew he was

running for president. he had not served very long, not even a term in the u.s. senate. his experience before that was focused primarily on the state legislature in illinois, and i didn't see the kind of executive experience or national level experience that i would have expected in somebody i was comfortable supporting for president. obviously i supported john mccain. i didn't support barack obama. but i think my assessment of it, as i look at it today, is that he didn't bring to the office the kind of expernce that i would have hoped to have seen in a new president. >> do you think he's failed? do you think in his job as president, what grade would you give him? do you think he has failed in his job? >> i think, you know, in fairness, the jury is still out until he's gotten closer to the election. he's got another year to run in terms of his current assessment. >> do you give him a midterm

grade up to this point? >> well, i think i sort of think of it as whether or not he's going to end up like ronald reagan did with a masterful performance in implementing a very successful growth policy. things look tough in his third year but by the fourth year he won an overwhelming victory, or like jimmy carter who never quite got his act to go to put in place an effective economic program for the country and when he was faced with competition four years out after his first term, he obviously didn't do very well. >> we will take a break and when we come back, my final installment with my sit down with former vice president dick cheney straight ahead. [ coughs ] what is thishorty? uh, tissues si i'm sick. you don't cough, you d't show defeat.

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[ >> sean: welme >> welcome pack to a very special hour with the former vice president of the united states, dick cheney. some interesting tidbits. i asked you about this in our first interview when you were selected as vice president you put a lot of emphasis, you sat there with the president, then governor bush, and karl rove and made the case why you shouldn't be vice president. >> right. >> and you kept saying over and over again, i want you to know i'm a real conservative.

and you also talk in this book, you reflect on your entire life and all these years in service and then you also talk about your grandkids. you even got the jonas brothers to use the power of that office and influence to get the jonas brothers for them. as you reflect on this long decade of service to your country, what admonitions, what warnings, what concerns do you have for your country? because you have been there probably more than any other person in the public arena today. what do you fear about the future for those kids? >> well, i think like a lot of people, have mixed views, to some extent. i'm enormously proud to be an american and to have the

opportunity to serve. i think the potential is virtually unlimited in terms of the future of this nation and what we can accomplish and what we can achieve. by the same token, i'm very concerned about some of the problems i see out there today. i think this long-term debt problem is enormously important. i sense also that it is important that we not, a we try to deal with the deficit problems, lose sight of our nation's security. i happen to think that's our number one responsibility as a government and obligation, and i worry that with this rush to get the deficit problem resolved works i is very important that's correct we will end up in a situation where the defense department , in effect, bears the burden rather than the domestic side of the house. and i think that would be unfortunate. >> its up to us, our general are rags to pass it on to them in as good a shape as it was passed on to us. >> we aren't doing that, are we?

>> we haven't done it yet. there are major problems that need to be resolved the next up couple years. >> during the break i was kidding with your daughter liz, and she said you could have been harder on president obama. if he gets a second term and he continues these policies, does america risk recovering? do we risk what happens in europe, what is happening in great britain and greece and ireland and portugal and payne as we try re distribution? >> i worry about it a lot. i'm a conservative republican, i believe deeply in the free market that made america great and this administration appears to think only in the terms of government and what government can do. we haven't seen the kind of emphasis on growing the private sector that i think is absolutely essential. so i'm not -- i don't want you to think i have suddenly become a convert to supporting president obama. >> what is your proudest

accomplishment? >> one of the things i feel best about, sean, is that we were able on our watch to keep the nation safe after 9/11. we were able to keep those seven and a half years that we were still in office without another major attack against the united states. i think that was a tremendous success. i don't think anybody would have believed that was possible the morning after 9/11, but in fact, because of the president's leadership, because of the magnificent capability of our men and women in uniform, because of our intelligence activities, some very bold decisions, we succeeded in doing something that looked like it was going to be impossible to do in those early days when the smoke was still rising over the pentagon and the world trade center. >> mr. vice president, thank you so much for being with us. >> thank you, sean. >> appreciate it. >> [applause] >> that's all the time we have. thank you for being with us. i hope you have a great night.