report." fair, balanced and as always, unafraid. omorrow night right before mr. bill. >> bill: "the o'reilly factor" is on. tonight, people who get on the cain train, they don't get off. some people might jump on and off because of disinformation or miss information. >> bill: looks like it's all over for herman cain. the bad publicity wrecked his presidential chances. we will analyze the latest developments. >> i have decided not to serve until three months before my 75th birthday. i guess i don't understand why that is so hard for people to grasp. >> bill: barney frank getting a little testy. not unusual. but what is the real story behind his retirement? monica crowley, charles krauthammer will analyze. >> we know the secret to politics, not good. >> bill: glenn beck has a new book out on george washington. whom he says was a better president than abraham lincoln.

beck and i will shoot it out. caution. you are about to enter the no spin zone. "the factor" begins right now. >> bill: hi, i'm bill o'reilly. thanks for watching us tonight. herman cain and barney frank leave center stage, that is the subject of this evening's talking points memo. herman cain will not secure the republican nomination for president. he waged a spirited campaign, but in the 24-7 news cycle, no mistakes are forgiven if you are conservative. in order to beat his competitors, he could not afford any missteps. obviously he made them. life isn't fair, i think cain is basically a good man and i hope the rest of his life is peaceful. as for barney frank, his departure from national politic is more significant. mr. frank is the face of american liberalism and indignant man who believes he has a copyright on compassion. if you challenge frank, he's in your face.

if you point out his failures, he denies them. if you disagree with him on anything, you're a moron. so i decided to take frank on, and clearly he did not tell the true about his oversight of freddie mac and frank billingsley and i called him on it. you can see the exchange on the net. if you missed it, it is intense. i had to call him out. it had to be done. the congressman says he's not running again for personal reasons and again, he doesn't like to be challenged on that. >> for those who think maybe this is a signal that you don't think the democrats are going to win back control of the house in 2012, your response would be what? >> no. this doesn't mean we're not going to take back the house. in fact, i think we're likely to win this seat again. do you think i would serve 'til i was 106? i'm 7 -- i decided not to serve until three months before my 75th birthday. i guess i don't understand why that is hard for people to grasp. >> bill: we get it, barney, you're tired. you're cranky, you want out. good luck.

if the democrats are riding high, barney frank would most likely run again. he loves power. he believes he is good for the nation. here is what i believe: barney frank is sincere in wanting to help the less fortunate, but his big spending policies don't work. because he is unwilling to understand economics, his tenure in the house is harming the country. mr. frank does not hold the high ground. it is much more humane to look out for all the folks, to demand fiscal responsibility so all americans can prosper. the left believes the usa should be in business to help the down-trodden at the expense of everyone else. that's why liberalism is not helpful. it's to create widespread prosperity so they can hitch a ride on it and work their way up. giving people stuff is a recipe for failure. we've seen it over and over. but if you tell barney frank that, you're a bad person. america does not owe anyone a living. barney never got that. but we wish him well anyway.

that's a memo. the top story, monica crew low and alan colmes. how does this republican -- >> even if herman cain doesn't step down or even the new hampshire primary and doesn't score big and even if he leaves at that point, i think what's going to happen is you're going to see a direct funneling of people who had supported herman cain go to one of three people, either newt gingrich, whose conservative support might go to newt. people who think, look, i just want a candidate who can beat barak obama and win next year, they might go to mitt romney. a core conservative base of people who supported cain might turn to michelle bachmann who has been struggling over the last couple of months. but they might take a fresh look. >> why michelle bachmann? >> because she's a solid contender. >> bill: the caucus goers are conservative. michelle bachmann is certainly plays to that field. why wouldn't they go to her?

>> because she's not been -- she's made a lot of misstatements, doesn't know a lot. maybe the people who went for herman cain would go for michelle bachmann because he didn't know a lot. it's 'cause he doesn't know anything. >> bill: i don't want to get into the sense that, but i will put up two men and you the audience can side how the media treated both of them. john edwards and herman cain. if you think that john edwards got the same scrutiny that herman cain got, then you live in the line -- >> when the story came out -- >> bill: no, no. they didn't even want to put it out, so the "national enquirer" had to do it. >> client: that's the point, because the left wing media protects democrats. look, you can go back to jack kennedy or bill clinton or john edwards. the same narrative prevails. once the story breaks, they have to cover it, but they protect

them. >> i don't care about herman cain's personal life. i care about the fact that he doesn't know anything about the issues. >> bill: that's your opinion and you're entitled to it. but the media coverage of cain versus edward -- >> herman cain is not running for president. he's on a book tour. >> bill: okay. barney frank. i think -- there are two reasons why he's not running. number one, he almost lost last time. he got 54% of the vote, extremely liberal district. now they redrew his district in massachusetts and he would have had a much, much tougher fight. the second point is that the democrats are in trouble. >> not as much trouble as t republicans are. republican house, congress has a 9% approval rating. >> bill: i want to make some money here. you don't mind if i ignore you? >> please, go right ahead. >> i will bet you $1,000 -- >> i don't have that kind of money. >> bill: you've been working here for 15 years. i got to pay you every week to do this show.

come on. look, the democrats are not going to win back the house and -- >> maybe not. >> bill: and the white house. that's the way it looks today. >> they're not going to lose all. >> bill: partnery frank? >> district was redistricted. he didn't want to work that hard. he had to work hard last time. he got 53, 54% in a district which was my grandparents' old district. now not so much liberal. >> bill: which is what i said. >> exactly. he didn't want to have to work that hard. >> he's the liberal boogie man. >> excuse me. more importantly, he didn't want to stay in the minority. he doesn't like being in the democratic -- >> bill: does his departure hurt the liberal movement in america? >> i think once ted kennedy passed away, he sort of assumed the had mantle of being the liberal lion. yeah, losing him, losing -- >> i wouldn't say the entire portion of the country --

>> bill: is he the highest profile liberal? >> let's not forget barak obama. >> bill: i predicted this yesterday, he'll be hired by nbc as a commentator, i can almost guarantee it. and harvard. >> why do we want to beat up on this guy? this guy -- >> because -- >> i mean, he actually wanted more control of the federal reserve, for example. he wanted to do away with environmental regulations in his home district because he was losing fisng jobs. the republicans wouldn't let him regulate -- >> no, no, no, alan, you're so far off on this. let me respond. barney frank was almost ingle handedly responsible for the national crisis, time and again through the 2000s, the bush administration wanted to fannie and freddie, they came to congress, and barney frank stone walled to prevent the reform from happening. and on top of that, he lied to

the american people, told them fannie and freddie mac was fundamentally sound. >> you know what, regulators of the bush administration and paulson said it was fundamentally sound, too. your republican president and his administration said that. you don't want to take any responsibility for that. >> bill: real quick, his departure hurt american liberalism? >> no. >> yes, but remember the big cahuna is still in the white house. >> and he will be for another six years. >> the biggest liberal of all time. >> the biggest liberal of all time. >> at least in the last like couple of years. >> thank you. >> bill: he's bigger. >> barak obama is the most addickcally and left wing president we've ever had. >> even though i'm on "the factor." >> bill: colmes, i want to you borrow money and make me a bet on the house. >> i'll buy you dinner. >> bill: next on the rundown, some guy named glenn beck has a

new beck on george washington. beck will be here to talk some politics and the book. later, charles krauthammer on barney frank's legacy. that should be interesting. up

>> bill: personal story segment, glen beck has a new book out called "being george washington, the indispensable man as you've never seen him." , beck is running an

internetanyahu work and here he is from his swanky studios in manhattan where he's mr. relaxed, looks like art linkletter in a younger time. >> art linkletter, let me tell you something, those are so hip with the kids now adays. >> bill: i know. i'm happy to see you shaved your goatee because you were looking like one of the occupy wall street people. now you cleaned up a little bit. >> no, no, not at all. i didn't shower, though. >> bill: okay. i'm glad i'm not in the same studio with you because i know how that is. let's talk a little politics. herman cain, looks like he's through. are you following the republican race? do you care about it? >> yeah, i do. i think, you know, politics -- the problems in our country are not going to be fixed by politic, but they're important. and we have to do the right thing. i agree, looks like herman cain is through. you know, we seem to be having the battle of the big government

republicans right now. >> bill: what do you mean by that, the wig government republicans? what does that mean? >> i think you have mitt romney who is a big government republican and you have newt gingrich, who is a big government republican. >> bill: by that, we keep the apparatus that's in place. they wouldn't try to dismantle it like ron paul would? >> not just ron paul. ron paul is this close to a no government republican. you do have rick santorum and the person that i would vote for is michelle bachmann. but you've got these progressives that are on the republican side as well. let's not forget that the progressive party was started by a republican, theodore roosevelt. john mccain's favorite president. >> bill: but it would have had a different meaning when teddy roosevelt was running than it does now. the progressive movement has been taken over, that's where they're going. >> no, no.

the alcoholskis have been folded into it and co- opted -- either co- opted the progressives or the progressives have co- opted them. they've always been buddy, buddy, with the marxists. the difference is that the split with road row wilson and theodore roosevelt was that the republicans were more nationalists as opposed to internationalists. and they believed in using military power, where the democrats did not. >> bill: okay. let's bring it up now. i agree with you that romney and gingrich are not going to dismantle a federal government as it is now. but i don't think michelle bachmann was going to do that either. but on the subject of the congresswoman, why do you think her campaign hasn't really lifted? rick perry came in and her numbers dropped exponentially. right after that. then perry went down and she never really recovered. >> i can't tell you why michelle bachmann isn't connecting with the american people. i just know that i met with all

of them and i have newt gingrich on the air in, what, two days from now. i have some fair questions for him and i'm anxious to hear what he has to say. but in listening to all of them and really -- i'm not friends with any of them, but i know all of them. there is really only two of them that i think really fall into the abraham lincoln or george washington character category and -- category and that would be rick santorum and michelle bachmann. and after talking to all of them, i think michelle bachmann is just the best choice out there. >> bill: certainly the people who should respect everybody's choice, but it's not going to happen for the congresswoman. >> that's the one thing that i don't -- that i don't care about with politics. i'm so tired of picking somebody that everybody says we have to pick -- >> bill: no, no. i got it. a lot of people feel the way you

do and they should absolutely vote their conscience. >> right. >> bill: but if a guy like mitt romney gets the nomination, can you, glenn beck support that? >> yes. >> bill: he'll be thrill to do hear that. >> i don't know if he will or if he cares. >> bill: i'm going o hold beck over 'cause he begged me. we're going to discuss george washington. i have to tell you, i was reading beck's book today and i like it. i'm going to tell you why i like it. but i think he stole his book from my book. so we'll get into all of that. and then later, is it legal. an intense murder case featuring the federal government and a criminal illegal alien the government let walk free. coming right back.

>> bill: continuing with glenn beck, the author of the new book "being george washington." i like the book, as i said.

it's really about the incredible leadership washington displayed throughout his life. no the just in the presidency. boy, do we need leadership now. the one thing i was confused was the thought that george washington would be wearing a christmas sweater. >> at least the may character in my book doesn't die in the end. i'm just saying. >> bill: are you mocking abraham lincoln, it wasn't his fault. >> the abraham lincoln joke too soon for you, bill? >> bill: i know. okay. i told the folks that i wrote "killing lincoln" because i believe the nation is in decline. i think you do, too, and we need to get back to true leadership and people need to understand it. that's what i'm taking away from the washington book you wrote. >> very similar, we talked about this when you first told me that you were doing something on abraham lincoln. we talked about how important these guys are.

george washington, to me, is important. he was one of the first people the progressives tried to erase, around 1920, is the first time you hear he was a shape owner. the first time you hear he was a rich, powerful lapped owner. the first time you start hearing all these lies about george washington. >> bill: he was a slave owner, though. >> he was a slave owner, but, bill, wait until you get to the end of the book, you're going to love, love the end of the book on what one of the slaves said at his funeral. it is a different time and he is an honorable man every step of the way. >> bill: and he let the slaves go. >> yes, he did. again, it's a different time. but one thing i really thought was important is they tried to erase this guy for a reason. if you don't have people like abraham lincoln and george washington, you'll never be able to rebuild our country. if you don't know that these were real people that did the hard thing, i mean, abe houston

lincoln didn't want to do a lot of stuff he did, neither did george washington. but they did it and they weren't super heros. many times they did it, they did it alone, they did it quietly, but they did it because it was the right thing. >> bill: did washington suffer as much as lincoln? i read when lincoln took office, he was a strapping 6' 3 guy with a build like arnold schwarzenegger. when he left, he was bent over. he was in office for four years. he aged 25 years in that time. he suffered unbelievably, mentally and physically. did washington suffer that much? >> i don't think that washington -- i think washington did suffer. his was for a lot longer period of time. but i don't think that he showed it like abraham lincoln did. lincoln had all of his suffering compressed and he also came -- lincoln came from a family that was really dysfunctional. he married into more dysfunction

and then he came into a country that was dysfunctional and had to lead it for that period of time. washington was the opposite, where he had at 7, he started writing about who he wanted to be and the virtues and the character that made a man. and so he built himself. that's the important part of this book is you see that -- what a man accomplishes in his life really doesn't happen at that moment. a man isn't created in crisis. he's revealed in crisis. and so it's how these guys built their whole life. >> bill: and their achievements now after all these years still tower among the achievements of -- they're ones who i have lincoln first, you have washington first, but they're one-two. >> and you know what's funny is lincoln is always in the top five, but i don't think george washington is in the top five. >> bill: and he should be. no doubt about it.

>> absolutely. >> bill: that could have fallen apart. he could have been a king. the king of england said, what is this guy nuts? and all of that. we have 30 seconds. one of the really interesting parts about the leadership that beck shows of george washington is when the troops were starving at valley forge and it wasn't washington's fault that they were starving. it was that congress, the congress screwed up. yet washington came out, defused what could have been a mutiny by saying, it's my fault. i have responsibility and i'm going o sit here and eat this with you right now. lafayette was there. very dramatic scene you have and that's what makes the book worth reading. that you get down to the micro level of leadership and boy, do we need leadership in america now. >> yeah. it reads like a vince flynn novel. >> bill: you stole that from me, too, beck. i know i'm your meanton. but god job. >> thank you very much. >> bill: plenty more ahead. we'll update you on a terrible murder case in texas. a criminal illegal alien

released from prison by the feds. guns down an american citizen. victim's brother will be here and is it legal? we'll have new information. charles krauthammer, will he miss barney frank? we hope you stay tuned for those reports

>> bill: we have been following the very disturbing story of a criminal illegal immigrant, santana gouna. the 31-year-old is charged with murdering 33-year-old jesse navidez in texas. the wrinkle on the story is that gauna was twice deported and was being held in prison in the usa on charges of sexual assault, but an unnamed federal agency got him released from prison. allowing him to then murder benavidez. is it legal? we'll have more on the investigation in a moment. first, joining us from there's a, juan benavidez, the victim's brother. how did this crime take place? >> well, it started with the sexual assault charge and also the history of violence that

everybody was concerned about from gauna toward his ex-wife. he had the sexual assault charge, was put in short custody with a county jail and immigration services, he was quickly released. few weeks passed by, there was a birthday party towards my brother's girlfriend's side of the family. there was family, children there. gauna shows up uninvited and my brother and the rest of the family get alarmed because he was there obviously to start some type of problem. >> bill: what kind of a problem did he want to start? why did he show up at the party? >> he was trying to be confrontational toward his ex-wife. >> bill: so his ex-wife was there. your brother knew his ex-wife. right? >> yes. >> bill: and so your brother did what? tried to make him leave the party? >> he showed up at the entrance of the residence, you know.

he quickly saw gauna's ex-wife was pretty scared, wasn't sure what he was there to do. she was still dealing with damage from the sexual assault charge. my brother recognized the situation. he had his own personal issues gauna's history of violence toward his ex-wife, so he was immediately escorted him outside and get him out of the family reunion. from what i understand, it was a short situation. there was an exchange in words and what came to be was gauna being intimidated by my brother's confrontation and in the short span of the conversation, the exchange of words, my brother walks gauna towards his car where it is believed that he was probably about to leave the family reunion and from my brother turning away and walking away from the vehicle, gauna goes to his vehicle and grab has hand

gun where he shoots six times, approximately, and hits my brother twice. >> bill: all right. we're very sorry for your loss. now, did you guys know this guy was illegal and had been deported twice and the sexual assault was on his ex-wife? did you know of his background? >> i didn't. i didn't have a whole lot of touch with my brother's girlfriend's side of the family. >> bill: so you didn't know. is it your family know how this guy got out of jail? who let him out, what federal agency? have they told you that? >> they haven't told us anything. initially they were giving us basic loophole paperwork delay excuses since they were the family. we couldn't get real answers from them. >> bill: we can't either. but we're going to cut through the fog. mr. benavidez, again we're sorry for your loss and we appreciate you coming on. and we will find out what happened and why your brother was murdered. we will do that and we appreciate again you coming on. let's bring in our is it legal team. so we have asked and asked and

asked what agency took this guy out of jail. it wasn't a judge who signed the order to get him out, right? >> right. >> bill: the agency said we need them to do something. can you put any of this together for us? >> we are very, very close to linking the lifting of the detaper to the department of justice. we can't say it 100%. >> bill: that's attorney general holder. >> holder at the very top. >> bill: right. so it's not janet napolitano? >> no. >> bill: we asked her to come on, she doesn't want to. >> rick: we following through -- fox is following through with their legal team, filing a freedom of information act with the secretary. and with the department of justice. >> bill: we're filing two, one with homeland security and one with the department of justice. >> it doesn't even have to be two. it could be one. >> bill: the federal government is covering something up. they tonight want the folks to know what agency let this guy out. >> because it's their responsibility and this occurred while he was supposed to be under their supervision and their watch.

potentially he was going to be crucial or testifying or involved in a case -- >> bill: he was involved in some kind of case, we understand. >> then you're supposed to, if you have that person and you're asked -- >> bill: you got to monitor him. >> look what he did under their watch. that's why this is a problem. u.s. attorney's office, u.s. marshal and the atf, just the northern district of text for the u.s. attorney's office -- >> in a case like this, they would have to not sign off on -- >> bill: they have to know about it. the u.s. attorney doesn't want to tell us. we have to go through all the paperwork and compel them to tell us. what we think happened here and this is speculation -- we think this guy gauna, was an informer, was informing -- >> undercover. >> bill: i don't think it was a witness to a crime. i think he was an informer, from what we understand, on an ongoing criminal investigation. >> correct. >> bill: something that's still in motion now. >> and probably pretty high level for this type of thing.

>> bill: it's a big case. >> here is what doesn't make sense. that may be true and i think that is the right way to go to look at it, but after he was picked up for the murder, that cover would have been blown. u.s. attorney's office would have known that. you can't be an informer -- >> bill: we don't really care about that. we want to know what agency was letting a guy with two deportations and a sexual assault be active out on the street unsupervised. >> let me tell you one other thing kind of inside the department. a lot of agents, f.b.i., dea, are subject to random lie detector tests to see whether they have leaked to the media. so there may be people, i think there are people -- that can't come out forward and tell us. >> bill: that's an excuse. >> i'm just telling you. >> bill: the american people need to know what federal agency let the man out so he could murder an american. that's it! >> you do know that they were aware that he was a violent -- >> bill: of course he was

violent! >> the sexual assault he committed on his wife put her in the hospital. >> bill: it does take a while for these things to -- but we'll get it. you guys keep working your sources. >> okay. >> bill: we'll hold the ladies over because michael jackson's doctor got sentenced today. we'll talk about that. and then charles krauthammer on the legacy of barney frank, moments away

>> bill: thanks for staying with us. i'm bill o'reilly, continuing with our is it legal segment. first up, michael jackson's doctor sentenced to the max, four years in jail. not prison, jail, for involuntary manslaughter. the judge blasted him for showing no remorse and refusing to accept responsibility for jackson's death. >> dr. murray at that point says he feels betrayed and entramped

by michael jackson. yikes! talk about blaming the victim. not only isn't there any remorse, there is umage and outrage on the part of dr. murray against the deceased. >> bill: so he gets four, not in state prison, but in the county, l.a. county jail. right? >> right. >> bill: easier stretch. >> absolutely. it's much easier time to do in the county jail. you have people, like lindsay lohan and paris hilton. you don't have violent offenders. people that are convicted usually of a case like this, the caveat is, this wasn't a crime of violence, it wasn't intentional and the big problem is, and this comes from my former boss, he's saying due to the chronic overcrowding in the jail system, it's likely he's not even going to do four years. >> bill: he'll do two? >> it's automatically cut down to two.

it's cut in half. if there is overcrowding when he gets there, it could be less than two and he could do some in home confinement. >> bill: is this justice? >> he got the max. under the law -- >> bill: i don't care about the max. >> if he had actual -- >> bill: is it justice in the world? >> no. >> bill: you agree? >> i feel he was charged correctly 'cause i don't think he meant to kill michael jackson but the four years, there should be fairness in sentencing. somebody is supposed to serve four years, they should serve four years. >> bill: okay. so you don't feel mr. jackson himself was responsible for his own death by -- >> it doesn't matter. what the judge said -- >> bill: i know -- i'm not talking about -- you guys have to take your lawyer hat off for a minute. i'm talking about justice in the way of the world here. i think jackson was laterally responsible for his own death. he was a drug addict. he had this contraption where he's taking this crazy stuff. he knew what this was.

the doctor, is he evil? yeah, he's evil. he came in, took jackson's money. couldn't care less really what it was. did this. shouldn't have done it. no doctor, decent doctor would have done that. guy was in it for the money. >> was it a wreckless act by a doctor? >> bill: yes, absolutely. it was a wreckless act by the doctor and the patient. >> one to provide him with the propothol, and continue to do it. >> bill: syracuse university, another penn state-like situation. former basketball coach has not been charged yet. >> right. >> bill: but three people have come forward and say he's a child molester. what i'm interested here is, the exposure that the university, penn state and syracuse, big operations, to lawsuits against them for employing people who do this. >> employing people that do this and also if they know about it or should have known about it, not doing anything about it. syracuse is a private university, so they're not -- >> bill: so they have big-time

exposure. >> huge exposure. >> bill: anybody who was molested, who can prove that they were and this guy was on his staff for years and years and years. even if the university's defense is going to be, we don't know what they're doing. >> they were alertd about it. they had known it from 2002 when up with of the boys -- >> so it the police. >> there wasn't enough to corroborate. it's like, what do you expect? penn state, there was an eyewitness to this crime. there wasn't here. is that the kind of corroboration you need to be able to bring a case like this? >> bill: i had a tape recording of the wife of the accused molester, but again, he has not been arrested yet. we expect there will be tons of lawsuits against both. >> there should be because they're liable for their employees. >> bill: in great britain, they have santa claus like everywhere almost. but the kids aren't allowed to sit in santa's lap in great britain anymore. who made this ruling? >> i don't know if i want to sit in his lap. i'm just saying. it's kind of bizarre.

>> father christmas. >> father christmas. >> bill: who made the ruling? >> the teachers union. >> bill: the teachers union? they can make a ruling like that? >> this is their request because of the past. it's pending now, because of the fact they don't want people that are in a vulnerable position, like young children n a lap of somebody like santa that hasn't been properly vetted or checked. >> bill: but this is just an offchute of what's going on in the world. right? this is a terrible commentary of what's going on in the world. >> yeah. there are so many things that could have been put in place. if the parent is there, that should have been fine. look, poor little santa or big santa -- >> bill: how do you explain to three-year-old that you can't snuggle up to santa? >> mom and dad are right there. >> bill: i really believe the whole western civilization has gone down the drain at some point. >> they want background checks on some people. >> bill: i don't mind that. if you're going to work with kids, you should have a background check. >> but most place december it anyway. so this seems to be taking it too far. >> bill: we'll see that in the

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>> bill: as we told you in the talking points memo, barney franks' departure from the political scene is a positive for the country, in my opinion. joining us, charles krauthammer. you feel the same way, charles? >> absolutely. he had a long run and it's good that it's over. >> bill: and the main reason is? >> he's the face of the mad liberalism and sort of in many ways, the failure of american liberalism. he'll be remembered above all for the man who protected fannie and freddie at a crucial time.

in 2003, just at a time when we might have been able to rein in the monster, he famously said that the two entities were not facing a financial crisis and beyond that, he went op the attack. he protected them by saying that those people -- these were his words -- who are exaggerating the problems are people who want to make sure that we tonight have enough affordable housing. and this was the motive argument he made and liberalism makes. if you tonight agree with me, if you warn about the problems with these entities, it's not a disagreement about the facts or about projections, it's that you tonight care about the poor. you're a bad person, like allth conservative movement and therefore, you are almost out of bounds in terms of moral arguments. that's the kind of argument he used to make. >> bill: do you consider barney frank to be an honest man? >> look, i find it hard to judge

honesty in politicians because on that standard, you probably have to flunk them all. you've got -- i'm not sure anybody has ever gotten into power saying nothing but the truth. there are exaggerations and stretches. whether he believed what he said -- >> bill: he believed what he said. >> well, i think he did. >> bill: let me give you a stark example and everybody knows about the shootout between me and frank. where he did lie on this program. we had him on videotape, saying that fannie and freddie were a good investment going forward. he w we played the tape and he comes on and said, i didn't say that. and i said is this the twilight zone? of course you said it. then he blamed bush. he said bush was the man who prevented reform and oversight on fannie and freddie. which is patently false. and so then i just launched on him. so to me, he wasn't an honest guy. he was delusional. >> you're right. >> bill: he believes what he

says. i don't think he says i'm going to rely on "the o'reilly factor." but he's delusional. if it doesn't fit into his world view, then he's going to pretty much say whatever he wants to say. >> you know, i'm the last person who wants to defend him, but i would say that most politicians, when they're caught in contradictions will resort to denial or -- >> bill: how can you do that when you just saw the videotape 20 seconds before hand? >> look, there are a lot of politicians today who are running for the presidency who have changed their opinions about certain issues and you show them the tape, yes, we ought to invade libya. no, we shouldn't invade libya. and they manage to deny that they've actually contradicted themselves. it's not a monopoly of liberalism. i think what liberalism has a monopoly on is -- deep in their

belief system, this is a struggle between good and evil, it's not a struggle between two understandings of government, two different understandings of the -- >> bill: it gets very personal. you're right, frank always took it to a personal level and even today when the interview with is a have in a guthrie. finally, does this harm american liberalism? does it take away, as you said, the face of the movement? >> no, i think it's just a changing of the guard. you've got debbie wasserman schultz will carry on. you got a whole new younger generation of liberals. i think this is nothing but a changing of the guard and a passing of the torch, if you like. he outlived his time 30 years. he was living in the '70s. he's the great example of reactionary liberalism, which means hanging on to the gains of the new deal and the great society in the face of an entirely new world where it's not appropriate. and i think in that sense, perhaps a new generation may

begin to adapt to the modern world and its new conditions. but his generation truly was so reactionary, they had no new ideas and they have suffered immensely because of that. >> bill: all right, thanks very much. pinheads and patriots upcoming. elvis costello and the wounded warriors in the spotlight, right back with p and p. acro

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