>> i'm sick and tired of this woman. she is on a jihad against them. why when democrats are in charge it's about change. when republicans are in charge, it has to be compromise. >> see you back here tomorrow night. thanks for being with us. >> tonight, is donald trump going to be the next vice-president? congresswoman michele bureaucratman says she would like him to be. >> that's great honor. i've gotte to know her and she is a terrific person. >> would you take it? >> so, would trump take you? we'll tell you in a few minutes, and newt gingrich declares i'm going to be the nominee, and it's true he is vaulting to the top of the polls. but first, the g.o.p. front runner, newt gingrich. >> mr. speaker, nice to see you, sir. >> good to see you. how are you doing. >> i'm door very well. you have a very bold statement tonight saying, i'm going to be the nominee.

you have no doubt in your mind? >> well, look, it's always up to the voters, and we have to win iowa on january 3rd. we have to go on and be very, very competitive in new hampshire, which is mitt romney's base, and then we have to win south carolina and florida. i think we have a real chance to do that, and i feel very good about it tonight. the people decide, and in the end they've got to make the decision. but it's certainly moving in the right direction. for a guy who was dead in june, this is pretty exciting. >> well, it's one thing to say you think you have a good shot, and you're quoted as saying you're going to be the nominee. have you gotten more humble since you first made that statement? >> well, look. it always comes down in the into the voters. they make the decision, not the news media or the candidates or consultants. the voters decide. my hope is and i believe they're looking for substance and looking for practical experience of actually getting it done.

feel very good going into the iowa caucus, we have chance to do much better than people would have guessed a few weeks ago. >> one of the issues you were quoted on today, i haven't seen a lot of talk about it, an urban policy. there's a lot of talk about the middle class and rich but there has not been a lot of talk about these urban centers that are suffering tremendously. but it's interesting you said that children in poor neighborhoods have no habits of working nor getting paid for their endeavors unless it's illegal. so explain that. >> well, think about somebody who grows up in a neighborhood where nobody goes to work, they live in a housing project where there's no examples of success. they don't acquire any of the habits. i first started thinking about this years ago when liberals would say, you don't want to get a hamburger flipping job. i thought to myself, that's exactly backwards. any job beats no work experience. any job is the first step up on the ladder of success.

and when i interview really successful people, they very often started work 12, 13, 14 years of aim, selling newspapers, mowing lawns, doing something that enabled them to learn, and so what i'm trying to think through is, could we build a new program that allows children who have come out of very poor neighborhoods, to have some work experience that is practical, real, gives them a little money, teaches them there's a relationship between expert discipline and a better future, and i'm absolutely dedicated to the belief when we say we're endowed by our crater, that at replys to the poorest children in the poorest neighborhood in america, and i welcome people to go to newt.org and give me their best ideas, but let's help the poorest children in america and have a better future of actually

pursuing happiness with jobs, and that's means doing light work and learning to show up, learning to be part of a serious, productive team. >> i'm glad to see this part of the discussion. i think the poor people get left behind in these debates, and even if you look at the economy, the rich, middle class, and the poor, it's that all three have to thrive in order for the economy to really roar, and a lot of attention on the rich and middle class, but in this environment, there has not been any -- a lot of talk about the lifting up the poor to really make them have success and opportunity. at least i haven't seep that. -- i hasn't seen that. >> part of this grew out of a speech i gave at the american enterprise institute, and one of the keys to income inequality is the fact we don't find mechanisms to help the poor learn how to be productive, learn how to be prosperous,

learn how to budget, and the trick is not just income transfer. if all we do is give you money you waste and don't gain any new habits, it's the opposite of lap a, who said to feed man for a day you give him a fish, but to feed him for a lifetime, you teach him how to fish. i want to learn how to teach the poorest children in america how to fish in the information age and how to make money and how to have jobs, and i'm trying to experiment with ways to help them break out so they can join the rest of news leading productive, prosperous lives. >> now from the big principles to actually what would you do. jack kemp talk about empowerment zones, cities like detroit, unemployment rate like 26% in the inner city, horrible numbers. what would you actually do as a president to sort of lift those communities up? >> well, part of it is to create tax advantages for going into the city. when i was speaker of the house,

we took steps to increase people moving back into d.c., to make it more desirable for businesses to go into d.c., and democrats like donna brazil will tell you i was probably the most folked on the district of columbia than any speaker in the lifetime because i wanted the capitol to prosper. i suggested that mackinaw island -- >> i've been there a million times. >> i was there and i said, we ought to consider, if you have a zone that's not paying any taxes, consider having a tax-free component that would encourage businesses businesses, and combine it with deregulating the city, reforming the schools through parental choice so the kid actually learn, take combining a training program

component to unemployment compensation so if you get unemployment compensation you have to sign up to be retrained so you're learning a useable, marketable skill. you have to to have a wholistic package to change things, and one of the things jack kemp and i work on was the idea of weak equity and housing, to begin the process of poor people in housing learn how to take care of the apartments and building and how to earn some kind of equity, because we want to might grate people away from being dependent and helpless and might grate toward learning how to take care of themselves. >> not a gotcha question at all, but simply to learn -- give me one economic difference between the two of you, economic policy

difference, because it's hard to distinguish sometimes on the economic issues? >> i'm still back on -- was at that time a freudian slip? >> definitely fear it was. i'm stuck with it. having made that -- >> i'll give you an example. i want to have zero capital gains take -- here's a good example of the difference in our two approaches. i'm not concerned with fighting some kind of fairness fight with "the new york times." i'm turned with creating the maximum number of new giants and the capital gains rate will bring billions of dollars in to create new opportunities almost

overnight. so that would be an example of the difference in our two economic approaches. >> today you signed a pledge to build a fence, where are you going to get the cash? >> first of all, all these -- we have created this muscle-bound litigation-ridden federal government who can't do anything. we fought all of world world wan 44 months front december 71941 until the surrender of japan in august of 1945, three years and eight months. we beat germly, italy and japan, and now days we're so tied up, we can't do anything. reagan wrote 25 years ago in 1986, in his diary, we need to control the border, 25 years. i have pledged at newt.org, if you go to the 21st century contract with america, that we will have the fence completed and be in control of the border

by january 1, 2014. we're drafting a bill right now that eliminates all federal requirements that goes back to a world war ii model and says, get it done. i said, over and over, this are 23,000 department of homeland security employees in the washington area. i'm prepared to move up to half of them to texas, new mexico, and arizona, if that's what it takes to have the manpower to control the border. >> one of the biggest problems in washington is the log jam, trying to get anything accomplished. assume you're president and that you have a democratic senate and i will give you republican house. what makes you think you're any different from president obama and actually sort of trying to break through the political divide that, that you can accomplish something? that's the dynamic we're missing, the ability to bridge that gap and get things done. >> i think one of my biggest

advantages as a potential president is the fact i served for 20 years in the ice. was speaker of the house. i understand the legislative process, and i know that the first thing a president would have to do in the circumstance you're describing is reach out and find some democratic senators who would work with us to get things done in a bipartisan way. i have been trying to convince the house'mans for several months to pass the webb warner bill that allows virginia to develop oil and gas offshore. written by two democratic senators, the same principles the house rearview mirrorrans believe in, and it would allow to us pass a bill with no amendments, send to the senate a democratic bill. how is harry reid going to stop that bill? >> that's just the kind of block i'm talki about. if that's something you think is a good idea, how do you get them to do that? >> i don't know. i keep telling them on television they should do it. we'll find out. but as president, as president,

that's the kind of thing would try to do every day, is find some way to build some bridges so you have -- you don't need all the democrats but you need the most moderate eight or 10 or 12 and let the liberal bet mad at you. when ronald reagan was president, i was a junior member in the house. when tip o'neill was speaker, we had to get a third of the democrats to pass the reagan program and we did it by working the grassroots and listening carefully to the democrats we wanted to work with. >> glory agreement that is a huge problem in washington. >> big problem. >> it's almost seemingly insurmountable, which is -- with the political divide. >> well, it is right now. 1979, 1980, under carter, was a mess. reagan turned it around in six months. i believe we could have a huge impact in a positive way in the opening weeks because i know so many folks -- i served there so

long, i really have a sense of how the congress works, and you have to have a formula that lets you bring people together after the election. you can't just let the country fight for four solid years. >> now, one last question. -- maybe not one last one. you're coming here to new york to see donald trump. why are you doing that? >> i was going to be in new york anyway and the donald called and said he wanted to get together. i've known him for years. i think he is a remarkable guy. he was in a movie that i did, documentary called "city pop -- upon a hill." he is a very successful businessman and one of the great characters in american life. and i think -- who would turn down a chance to chat with donald trump for a couple minutes and see what he has in mind? >> it's sort of unusual. he has emerged as a guy that all the republican candidates are

stopping in new york to see. do you not think it's interesting or novel or sort of -- how did this evolve? >> look, i think he has become phenomenon. he has his own tv show, extraordinarily good at business, a character, and is fun to visit with him. i visit with people all the time. i wouldn't put any unusual emphasis on this except to say i'm anxious to hear his observations and obviously i'd like to have his support done the road. the difference is there are very few people you go to visit with where you get the kind of publicity you get from donald trump. but we always look forward to seeing him, and has always been very kind. once did a fundraiser for the palm beach zoo and raised money. he has always been very generous as a citizen.

>> last question, i wasn't telling the truth. congresswoman buckman said she would consider donald trump for vice-president. would you? >> i don't think the donald would take the pay cut. i think -- i think he would be -- i told him one time he ought to do apprentice presidents presidents and who he would pick. i don't see him as being vice anything. >> monday night, do you want to come back and talk about your meeting? >> well, if we get a chance. i'm not allowed to schedule myself on the air. i always love being with you. >> i know your staff is hip to that. i've trapped you too many times. thank you, mr. speaker. >> thanks good to see you. >> straight ahead, don't blink you may miss something, the game is change so fast, newt gingrich taking a commanding lead, at least for now. what is behind the surge.

rick morris has answers on the record next, and then wasn't that a great concert in chicago last week? what? you weren't there? why not? you paid over half a million dollars for the trip and the tickets. why you didn't get anything for your money. the latest stupid move by fanny and freddie. does donald trump want to be vice-president? he will tell you himself coming up.

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>> the gap is sure growing, newt gingrich takes a commanding lead in the poll. let's look at the numbers. a new poll shows speaker gingrich leading with 38%. mitt romney is 21 points behind at 17%. and then way down at 8% are congressman ron paul and herman cain, and another fascinating poll in a matchup against president obama, newt gingrich comes out ahead. what's behind the giant jump in the polls? dick morris joins us, and is the writer of a children's book. dick, speaker gingrich is riding high. who knows what could happen

tomorrow. it's a roller coaster race. >> the interview with you we just heard explains why he is doing so well because he is running a campaign based on ideas and new proposals and interesting ideas, ideas that aren't traditional for a republican. talking about the inner city and how -- >> that's a good general election one. does that get out your base? one of the criticisms, he is not a, quote, true conservative and is getting jabbed for that. >> i think he does well with the base. i think the base wants a solution to poverty. republicans don't endorse poverty. they would leave to see someone with genuine proposals for the inner city. i think the secret about newt is that everytime you watch him on a tv show, you learn something, and that's something that you can't say about too many candidates. >> i'm surprised there isn't more discussion of poverty, because even if for some rope you're sitting -- some reason

thinking, the poor just get handouts -- even the middle class and rich can't do better unless we lift everybody up. you have to have everybody successful. you can't have a two-legged stool. not just for humanitarian reasons but -- >> the democrat party wants to poor to remain one class, at the bottom, united, voting democrat. the want the class to move up about they want the solidarity of the class. and republicans want individual members to move up without dependence on government, and i believe that fundamentally the lower income voters in the united states are so committed to the idea of handouts and dependence on the government, that when a guy like herman cain comes along, and produces an interesting alternative, they don't embrace it.

>> i used the term handouts. i think it's demeaning. if you drive through the inner cities they're not doing well. they're dying, and people are -- it's horrible. whatever we're doing isn't working. whatever we're doing. just not working. >> sure. i think that's true. but i think that there's a fundamental divide between the concept of promoting self-reliance and growth and upward mobility and promoting class cohesion. >> how does governor mitt romney pull out and move ahead of speaker gingrich? right now, tonight, speaker gingrich has a commanding lead, at least in one poll. >> first i want dismiss the possibility he doesn't and mitt wins. either could win. i also believe that until iowa is finished, you can't count out

bachmann. but i think the key to a romney recovery is being found now in president obama's advertising. he is buying ads in six states attacking romney. not mentioning gingrich or anybody else. just going after romney. a guy say, two men inhabit one body and it's mitt flip-flopping on abortion. why isn't obama attacking romney and not gingrich? he wants beginning beginning as an opponent inept because he thinks romney has a better chance to beat him, and i think republicans will see that, and that could have the seeds of a comeback for romney. >> we talk about polls and people have to answer phones in order to be counted. a big difference between winning in a telephone poll and having a good ground game come caucus

day. if you don't have a good ground game, you're not going to look pretty on january 4th. >> i don't think the ground game is going to determine the winner in ohio. >> you mean iowa. >> iowa. if gingrich keeps a large lead, he will win. but you have paul and romney and bachmann and cain and perry, all bunched together within two or three points in the battle for second place and that could make a big difference. >> if cain is out, and who knows what is going to happen there it looks rather grim. the woman didn't even know -- his wife didn't know he was giving money to this woman. if he gets out, where does his ground game go? up for grabs? >> it's up for grabs. a lot goes to newt, a lot goes to romney. i think that of the other candidates, i think the one that will get the most is bachmann, and i think it is not altogether impossible to foresee an iowa result of newt in first place,

and romney and bachmann close in a battle for second. >> and bachmann is very popular with the evangelicals. >> a whole group of voters that won't go for romney. wrong by because he is mormon. and if cain drops out, a lot of voecks will go to bachmann. >> coming up, first the tea party took to the streets because they're furious. then along came the "occupy" protesters. they're furious, too, and tonight, a billionaire is furious, and he just sent president obama a sizzling letter. would tv's most famous boss

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>> not rung -- running for president -- at least not now. but michele bachmann says trims on her list. >> who do you think would be an ideal vice-president for you? >> we have lot of wonderful

candidates who would fit that bill. easily comes to mind would be senator jim demeant of south carolina. mark orubio of florida would be in that category. a lot of great people out there. and donald trump is someone i think a lot of people would be intrigued with, too. >> i think people would be very intrigued, not to mention he would love it himself. >> so would donald trump love to be vice-president? we went straight to donald trump to get the answer. >> last night, on the record, congresswoman michele bachmann was on and i asked her who would be a good vice-president. >> she said? >> donald trump. >> it's an honor. >> would you take it? >> the answer is no. i love what i'm doing. but i think she's a terrific person. and really she has had some great movements, some very good

moments, and some of her points are getting through. we had a little dispute on the newt gingrich and the 25-year situation. i said michelle is a really good person and i don't think she's going to walk across the -- and tell those people, get out of up to. i actually heard she suggested that and it's a great honor. >> the republicans will have to keep up the search for vice-presidential candidates. a billionaire investor barbecues president obama. leon cooperman, is the man president obama put an end to class warfare, he said the president is deliberately putting a divide then the rich and poor, and he said, quote, it's time for you, meaning the president to appeal to people's better inning stinks and not their worst. good evening, sir. this letter is blistering and blunt. what provoked you to write it? >> thank you for having me,

greta. i'm alarmed at the direction the president is taking the country and his inflammatory dialogue. i love my country. i have lived the american dream. ite like to see the same opportunity for future generations and it's about exceptionalism and award for initiative and hard work and old-fashioned values and what pushed me over the fence -- i'm not too involved in politics. what pushed me over the fence was the dialogue posted at the negotiations around the ceiling, and when it came to the compromise, the president, heart rather than being conciliatory, he attacked the wealthy and the energy industry and the private

aviation industry. i'm quizzical. what is his problem with private aviation? a major source of experts, creates employment, and most of the workers in that industry are unionizes, and he is very fond of -- one of my heros in the business world is warren buffet. warren buffet has a plane that he named the the indispensable. so that pushed me over, and i'd like to see a conciliatory approach. we're in a very difficult economic environment, and rather than create this class warfare dialogue, why could he not just say that, we're in a difficult economic envionment, and all of us have to do more. i'm willingto do more. i'm prepared to pay more taxes. and he creates this impression that wealthy people don't pay taxes. it's ludicrous. you have a 35% income tax rate, state taxes, payroll taxes,

so-securely, medicare taxes, and at the end of the road, they you your inheritance tax, which is fine. i want to give back to the system. i was motivated -- i came from very little other than a good education in the city school system of new york. but i took the buffet pledge with bill and melinda gates because i want to recycle my wealth back into the system but the approach we're talking is counterproductive, divisive, and it's time for change in dialogue >> many wealthy people i talk to you want to give back, want to help, want to see the economy thriving but your resentful for the class warfare, saying your not paying your fair chair and your a cheat when in your view, you pay a lot now and you're willing to pay more? >> absolutely. the idea that -- first of all, you have to step back and ask yourself, what should the maximum tax rate be on wealthy people? because they're the ones that

pay the majority of taxes, and that's how you -- i don't mind paying more taxes but i'd rather pay more taxs into an efficient system. ite just saying, lower the disbell. move to the center, try to be one that is inclusive. i don't care what the party is, lyndon johnson would have handed the debt negotiations and the aftermath in a very different way? >> are you a republican? >> i voted for ronald reagan, al gore, george w. bush, mccain, tend to vote the issues and people that run. i'm a capitalist with a heart. i think -- i'm not atypical. i'm typical of people of means that have made it the way i've made it. we want to get back. we're not hedonists.

i'm not bragging but i have given plenty to organizations and other man my grandchildren i get more out of charitable giving than anything eps. >> coming up, luxury hotels and fancy dinners,er they out of their mind? fanny may and freddie mac, and a lavish convention and you paid for it. and is a -- jealous of president obama? that's coming up. ?

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>> the latest outrage over fannie mae and freddie mac. first, we have the other headlines. >> senate republicans and democrats both failing in their bids to amend and extend the payroll tax cuts. initiative would have extended the current cut a year for employees but not employers.

the dems plan would have expanded the cut by 1.1%. the current payroll tax expires on december 31st. unusual powerful winds in the west. toppling trees and leaving thousands without power. forecasters say winds in southern california reached their highest speeds in 15 years. gusts crushing buildings and cars and forcing people from their homes. an advisory being issued for nevada, wyoming, arizona, and new mexico. now back to greta. >> $342,000 for travel and hotel rooms. $74,000 for dinners and that's only te beginning. fannie mae and freddie mac just spent more than $640,000 to send employees to a convention. the same mortgage company that taxpayers spent $450 million to bailout how do they defend this

lavish spending? >> i don't think we did as good a job as we should on that mba program. die think it's a legitimate business expense and it's good we sent a lot of people there? absolutely. it's a very, very efficient way to interact with and educate a broad range of seller servicers. >> and we spoke with him. >> would you care to elaborate? maybe some of the american taxpayers thing money was wasted. but you said the conference was important. >> i don't think i really have anything additional to add to my testimony. i think i covered everything we felt was important about that conference. >> probably something you would do next year? you said it was important to be there, but perhaps some of the spend did tours, do it

definitely next time? >> we will definitely look at how we engage in conferences but this was meetings with critical players in the industry. >> also spoke with congressman randy novagar. >> what did you become that the the recent conference that cost the take -- taxpayers. >> we wanted to talk to them about this wasteful spending, and beginning to reduce the footprint of these entitieses, and what is the plan sneer and it was evident that neither one of this entitieses, including the conservator have a plan here. >> are the taxpayers going to buy the arguments? so, what was this convention and

when was it? >> in october. the mortgage bankers association conference, and traditionally before we got into the housing market collapse, this was a conference that fannie and freddie went to, to convince the banks to work with them rather than working with other insurance companies. back in the housing bubble, fannie and freddie had to compete with business. now there's no competition because the private market has pulled out. so, all of the banks bring all of their businesses to fannie and fedie or the fha, so people are raises questions, why are they sponsoring the conference and wining and dining the bankers because the bankers are givg them all their business because they're the only game in town. >> i think, have they lost their minds? $640,000 in this environment, and is a understand it from the reporting, it was to listen to the land chicago, former governor jeb bush. >> david axlerod.

it was a tony event. and not only did fannie and freddie send lat of their workers and executives to attend, they also sponsored the event. so $140,000 out of that amount was them sponsoring the event. >> what did we as taxpayerses got out of this? >> fannie and freddie might be better informed. >> informed of what? they don't have to compete. there's no competition so they don't have to be hugely informed. >> you can see an argument they needed at least one or two people there to gather what is going on, they had dozens of people there, and frankly, because they're the only game in town, the bankers might have held the conference at fannie and freddie's headquarters and not required them to travel. the banks need fannie and freddie. they're practically the entire housing market right now. >> everett dimarco is the overseer of fannie mae and freddie mac. has he been asked about this at all? i would think his hair would be

standing on end. >> he sent a letter to a congressional committee, where you said it was justified and should go to this conference birth said he'll look more carefully in the future about the line items. the next big question for dimarco, the overseer of fannie and freddie, will be the 2011 bonuses paid to fannie and freddie executives. >> he has already supported them. he has already come out and said it's to attract good talent. >> he had $35 million in bonuses in the last two years already for fannie and freddie. they have to allocate new bonuses this year so that will be the next phase where we'll see whether they're big spenders, like they have been, or if they pull in the reins. >> this is almost insane, and regulator who is overseen -- freddie mac and fannie are spending 64,000 on a fancy convention they don't need to go

and the regulator who is supposed to police them for us, the taxpayer, dimarco is defending and it defending the million dollar bonuses. who hired dimarco and does he got moved out of this job? >> he is the act director overseeing this, and they would have to appoint a new person. >> who is the, the congress? >> the congress. >> that would be a good place to start. >> the real conundrum is the taxpayers own fannie and freddie but it has not become part of the government. at some point does it just become a government job to work there and sort out or housing market and recoup this money for taxpayers? >> always nice to see you. what does president obama have that rush limbaugh wants? you hear from rush limbaugh next. prince william, princess katherine, and princess harry

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