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>> sean: how are you? >> william bennett. >> last time, i called you bob. and that is true. and it's good to see you again. what do you make of ron paul? >> on the ground in iowa, as you say there is a place, you may know the story. i've got it profiled. there is a huge rock that used to be used for graffiti. and in the late 90s they started painting pictures on it that is a marine pin on your helmet? >> i have a young son in the marine corps. anyway, no one touches the rock anymore. that is the stuff you get in iowa. we're -- that is what i hope

will see coming in iowa. what i make is, i think ron paul could win this because of organizations putting it into it. he can win this. i think it's very possible that with perry coming on a little bit, everybody is tightening between romney and gingrich. paul slips in with 22% or 23%. >> look. paul's followers are passionate. >> absolutely. >> all candidates received scrutiny. latest one is newt gingrich, surging in the polls. mitt romed -- romney had a chance. i like the idea ron paul says i've cut a trillion dollars immediately. i cannot reconcile with his foreign policy. but did he get a pass? he's had this news letter in 80s and 90s with unbelievable things written in it. order only restored in l.a. when it came times for blacks

to pick up their welfare checks. he says he has no idea who put this news letter together no idea who wrote it. he says in, he sort of, i'm surprised when i read this, that this hasn't become an issue. >> there is a way in which he is not taken seriously, but they should. i had a caller saying just make him head of the federal reserve. but there is no foreign policy. there is no commander in chief. his notion is impossible. there are other stuffs, conspiracy theories about september 11th. the candidacy isn't going anywhere except if he wins. >> i wax the reason that could be important is that he may then get and decide after several months that he's going to go in to be a third party candidate. >> ron paul does that, he's put anti-obama vote he will be responsible for the reelection of obama which is what he

doesn't want. >> i hope myopia isn't such that he thinks other guys are like barack obama he called me rush limbaugh status. >> if you're status... >> there is a problem. >> sean: i've been called a lot of things. explain to me as you look at newt and romney, who is going take that battle? newt is winning over romney. romney winning now. and there is a new poll out today in new hampshire. romney winning in new hampshire. and who is winning in south carolina? florida? >> i think newt may well finish ahead of romney in iowa. i think it goes further, remember there is a portion of the information. let's remember what we want selection to be about. about big issues. big questions. questions for the country now. mainly what barack obama has

done to this country. we could not want it to be about personality autos but it's getting personal. look. romney and newt have been going ate now back and forth. we saw it a little bit of saturday night. and i suspect tomorrow night right here goitsing to be pretty explosive. >> it's going to be rough. getting in general, what is the general thing about? i think the biggest weakness newt has is that we don't want the general election to be about his stories and there will be stories. i like newt. i think that it's going to be about him. i don't think he can beat barack obama. i wish mitt romney had a better record. i think right now he's a better candidate. >> you're endorsing romney? >> not endorsing romney. >> sean: your analysis is that he should be the nominee? >> i think john huntsman is the most conserve tiff

economic policy. but i think right now, as you match up with barack obama as barack obama defeated you tell me who defeats barack obama. >> sean: what is your -- what is this that yu fear. you're for a guy named ronald reagan who wasn't leading until september of 1980 winning against jimmy carter. someone not quite a bad of a record as ob yaum yachl he has a record of surpluses and welfare reform what. is it that you fear? do you not think he's changed?. >> correct. he's a good grandfather and a faithful husband, but i think the accusation on romney, i know they both do. accusation about bang capitol

they'd destroy jobs. >> sean: he said, i heard, i played it for him. and he said he's not going to fall into the trap, that he's going to go positive and he got sucked in. i'm telling you. >> he has more ideas in a day than most people have in their lifetimes but a lot of them don't touch the ground. they're too grandiose. he has to be the smartest guy in the world. george washington, ronald reagan. >> sean: you're saying if he goes too big? it's going to be too big? >> newt, newt, not about big ideas for what barack obama has done. >> sean: is it something -- poll are significant. if he gets nomination, do you think he has potential to be a great president? >> yes. since, i think almost everybody there has potential. but you're asking me to

predict. i have to base it on the guy i know. the guy i know i like, full of ideas but i think a lot of ideas strike me -- . >> sean: what don't you like? >> the pelosi thing. >> sean: that is stupid. >> right. attack on romney. a lot of his stuff about education doesn't make sense at all. i talked to him about it. the business of attacking paul ryan, almost unforgiveable. he says that was a mistake. the other day he said no. inconsistent, very, very troubling. >> sean: is that also main charge? >> the main charge against mitt is inshove fish yensys. it's a center of right country. not a hard right country. i think newt is not a hard

right guy. but i think center right country. i think we want to put someone up there who is going to beat barack obama on campaign and issues. >> sean: i think process is healthy. >> sure. >> sean: for the american people have followed it. they've made ajustments. tomorrow night, i think is a big night. >> people are ready for iowa and they've given a lot of skrut sni -- scrutiny. >> sean: love the book, great book and good luck to you. >> coming up, we have the new romney campaign ad video linking newt gingrich to nancy pelosi and al gore. will this attack? speaker gingrich back on budget. he says he's going to win a positive campaign. and later ann coulter made news on this program doubling down on her support of mitt

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>> sean: newt gingrich pledged to run positive campaign, free of negative

advertising but not all candidates share that sentment. mitt romney had scathing words for gingrich in a recent interview with the "washington post" calling him, "an extraordinarily unreliable leader in the conservative world. not 16 or 17 years ago but in the last two to three years." he went on to blast him for the global warming ad he filmed in 2008 with speaker of the house nancy pelosi. despite the fact that gingrich called that decision "the dumbest single thing i've done in years," the romney campaign launched a new website, newtandnancy.com. here with reaction is the awe for of "muzzled." juan williams. hello, sir. huh are you? >> good to see you. merry christmas, sean. >> sean: merry christmas. why is this a bad idea to ask a liberal democrat who you think the nominee should be? you're not exactly objective. >> i'm objective. because i'm a fox news political analyst. that is my job. i tell you, it depends on your criteria. if you are looking for somebody to beat obama, which

is what bill bennett was just talking to you about, then you have to say right now it's romney. just look at the poll numbers. he does better against obama than gingrich does. the story, and this picks up on what you were talking about, the republican establishment has come out with long knives and a trying to absolutely carve up newt gingrich in advance of the iowa caucus. that is what is going on in the polls. where we see newt's numbers moderating some. had a "wall street journal" journal poll, up by 17. others show him going down from where he was a week ago. it's interesting. romney is not getting anymore support be. you see santorum, bachmann, people who are social conservatives, benefiting a little bit. that's good for romney. >> sean: i will tell you, i have pointed this out for a long time, there is an establishment mentality. i got to tell you, they are all saying the same thing. the global warming ad, i asked newt about it. he said it was stupid. paul ryan said as a friend of mine, i apologize, trying to

make a larger point. there is nuance here. he is too undisciplined but he hasn't made outside of the beginning of the campaign, he hasn't made too many mistakes in this campaign. people have been predicting it. then, of course, you know, mitt romney. flip-flops. romneycare. we have both sides that are going to have weaknesses. there is one other point here. it doesn't matter who the candidate is. your guy, your team, barack obama, the democrats, they are going to spend $1 billion smearing whoever it is. does it matter in the end? >> sure it does. you have don't want the election to be about your guy. you want the election to be about obama. you want to bring out all the critique and the fact if you look at polls right now, obama's approval numbers are mid-40s. if you ask the american people should he be re-elected he is not doing that well. you have want it to be about that. you don't want it to be about any flaws in the republican candidate. but right now, if you ask republicans about that republican field, unlike you,

most republicans they all -- >> sean: there are two polls out. one was almost identical we ran on the program yesterday. another poll out today that had romney doing better against obama than gingrich did. the establishment step steps ind all it seems to be doing is angering and kicking off the base because they have a candidate shoved down their throat. >> that is interesting to hear from you. bill bennett and people like you, i wonder if people say we don't want to hear from the republican establishment. john mccain and dole. we have want to make our decision because we want the most conservative candidate and take the fight, the fire to barack obama.

we don't see that in romney. >> liberals said they'd scare the country about reagan. they said his economic policies would lead to the next depression. one of the greatest president in our lifetime. liberals quote him with reverence. it seems to me to be a snapshot view by people that have for whatever reason, invest in one candidate or another. i have not made up my mind in this race. >> tomorrow ninety you have a good shot. this is the conservative debate. what you will see from the romney camp is an attempt to say to people who haven't made up their mind, you are being fooled if you think that newt gingrich is a real conservative. they will say he is not trustworthy, that he is not reliable. never been a conservative. nancy pelosi ad, he has been playing footsy with al gore and doing deals with bill clinton. running around with al sharpton.

that comes from bachmann, santorum, some will say he is romney. >> sean: let it fly. on the other hand, for example, i don't want to hear about romneycare anymore. i got his answer, i understand it. he gets the nomation, i will strongly support him. i don't want to hear about the flip-flops. i asked him about them 15 times and i'm sick of the question. the question here is who is going to decide this. does the establishment think they can influence tea party mbers and is there not a subtle campaign -- i think there is -- i know every candidate strength and weaknesss. you know them. we can cite them verse and chapter. it's not going to be anybody but the voters that decide. they are making mistake. getting people angry. >> i think that is news. right now, if you look at the poll and the professionals talk about it on the republican side, they say this

attack, not reliable, problems with the personal life newt. that is starting to bring gingrich number back to earth. we are not sure about it yet. the question can it continue to happen? has newt hit the high point and will he sink going to january 3. >> he has done a good job not giving everybody what they want. we'll see. tomorrow is a big night. >> you get back to ad you started the segment but he is bombarded with ads. get into his personal life. they will go there and go after the conservatism. it will get nasty. >> sean: it is, like bill

clinton saying they played the race card on me talking about obama camp. that was nasty then, too. >> i remember. >> sean: am i going to see you tomorrow night? >> i'll be here in washington. see me right afterwards, before you come on. >> all right. great before you take my time. go ahead. see if i care. >> stop. >> sean: steal "hannity" time. great. thanks for being with us, juan williams. coming up, one of the most outrageous claims to date, you never guess what president obama is refusing to take responsibility for now. when we come back, monica crowley, and sandra smith. that's next. [ male annouer ] juice drink too watery? ♪ feel the power my young friend. mmm! [ male announcer ] for unsurpassed fru and veggie nutrition... v8 v-fusion. could've had a v8. with scottrader streaming quotes,

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>> sean: refusing to harm his precious re-election bid, the anointed one denying any and all responsibility for the economic uncertainty that faces american families today. >> do you take any personal responsibility for your administration creating that condition? >> well, we didn't create the condition. we haven't solved it fully yet. because it was three decades in the making. if you look at the trend lines, what has happened is that because of globalization, automation, you had a lot of

manufacturerring move out of the united states. >> does the president not realize yet he can't keep trying to blame the disappointing, unemployment rate on george bush, atm, i can osk, tsunami, earthquake, the american people being soft and lazy? here with the analysis, radio talk show host monica crawl crawl. from the fox business network, sandra smith. this is pathetic. he gets everything he wants. every single solitaire thing this guy wanted he got passed. >> remember harry truman had a sign on his desk -- >> sean: the buck stops here. >> with obama the buck stops everywhere but with him. he has played the victim 24/7 since he entered the office. we shouldn't be surprised he is avoiding responsibility now. >> sean: he said i have no idea -- i understood it was bad but i didn't think it was that bad. he said in the lead-up to the election, the worst economic crisis since the great depression. what part of his own words

didn't he understand? >> yeah, the big part is i don't think that people will buy it anymore. we have seen the polls show americans don't buy the message. we sit at home and hear them say things and know we get more of the same. ess what? it's no longer what he inherited but how he responded to it. he made the situation worse. i use business confidence as an example of that. this economy is going nowhere unless the businesses want to hire. business confidence is still at record lows. it's not budged. he has created an environment with the policies where businesses are not comfortable. it's more uncertain than it was when he came in office. >> sean: i was busier earlier tonight and i just check my e-mail. it had another show i had to tape. all of a sudden i get the flood of e-mails coming in the e-mail box. national review is saying notnut is what they are saying. i got to tell you the anger

among strong powerful, smart, influential conservatives is palpable. they are furious that newt gingrich sat with nancy pelosi. newt gingrich did criticize paul ryan. we know the strength and weaknesss. romney had it, too. so did every other candidate. what is angering people the guys think this elite group of establishment type say they can tell the tea party and conservatives in this country that is conservative, real conservative can't win. they will be beaten up. is there a backlash to this? >> i think you are on to something. i think about this in the last two days. it is a black lash effect. the tea party folks, the regular conservatives in america. they are looking at the establishment republicans and saying wait a minute, if they like this guy, i shouldn't like this guy. or if they are criticizing an a

person. the question of the entire election next year is what is the proper role of government. we have seen the answer to that. this election should be about barack obama and his record. i don't care if the republicans put up lassie. if they make this case, they can win with theogs. >> sean: wow! >> sandra, can you top that. >> ann coulter said she would vote for jeffrey dahlmer last night on the program. she was kidding. >> listen, he is sending clear messages to the signal. if we vote for president obama again, it will be more government. more spending. it put us in a dire situation we're in. we saw the markets today, selling off. >> sean: what do you think of this? >> er withiting this tipping point at the end of the year, embarking on election year

these are unprecedented times. the market, everybody is stepping back saying do we want to be in? >> when obama doesn't responsibility there is enough there in the records when i joke about republicans can run in and if they focus on it, look at the record. you have class warfare, wealth redistribution, unprecedented spending and record-breaking deficit and debt. socialized medicine and u.s.-- >> sean: president that takes no responsibility. on the seek, destroy, besmirch, slander campaign. did you hear barbara boxer says 8100 americans are going to die because -- not one 8101. it's 8,100, the exact number of americans that will die, we want dirty air and dirty water

and children with dawn syndrome to fend for themselves. they are not just imposing but attacking conservatives. >> with the payroll tax cut et cetera, people don't want president obama to take responsibility but they want to see him lead. >> sean: he fail and he failed miserably. >> the republicans need to keep focus on him and his abysmal record. the left wing media will do everything they can to keep the focus on whoever the republicans nominate. the election is not about the republican candidate. it's about obama. >> sean: whoever gets this nomination will face billion

dollars of smear ad. they have surrogates, by the time they are done with him you think the republicans safe >> the union, kids, college campus, leftist. we have a huge onslaught. >> sean: mr. hope and change will go more negative. >> what good is that if everybody is still out of work, home values are nothing? >> exactly. it won't work. people say you failed, mr. president. >> but they are not to be underestimated. >> i agree with that. >> play dirty. >> i'm on the case. i have a special project i'm working on. media matters is interested in it. we'll come back. still ahead -- ann coulter says mitt romney is more conservative than newt gingrich. coming up next, i ask conservative columnist michelle malkah is if she agrees with that. and the great, great, great american panel. straight ahead. ny great pioneers before me, guided only by a dream. i'm embarking on a journey of epic proportion. i will travel, from sea to shining sea,

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headlines on the comments she made on this show about the most conservative candidate in the field. listen to this. >> the two most conservative candidates, people talk about the convention, knock it off, republicans. these are our candidates. we have seen them. >> sean: i agree with that. >> the two most conservative candidates, are still standing are michele bachmann and mitt romney. of the available candidates. romney is by far the most conservative. tied with michele bachmann. and he is, he has a proven ability to win. >> sean: but the question remains who do the voters think is the most conservative candidate? joining me now to weigh in on this, author of the "new york times" number one best seller, culture of corruption, michelle malkin is here. how are you? >> good, how are you, sean? >> sean: good. i'm flooding through my e-mails here. i got to tell you, there is recentment building. the resentment is building against establishm people, conservatives who they ought to be voting for.

the editorial is not going over well and people that i know. i want your reaction. >> to answer your question about ann coulter's description of mitt romney as conservative, there are a lot of words to describe mitt romney. but honestly, "conservative accounts has never been at the top of the list. the frustration from the grass roots and the tea party activists have been in watching people parade around in halloween costumes all year long, pretending to be something they aren't. never have been. the win office. the reason we have reaction is reaction to the big government impulse and corruption of obama administration. about the corruption about waive republicans. for national review, i have immense respect for staff there and people who have been in the fight for conservative.

and conservative policies, for a long, long time. they deserve respect. this is ridiculous to call people establishment who have been outside the establishment for a long time. even if you are in washington, you may not be of washington. we can disagree about the candidates. i am not on anyone's team. that puts us, you and i in a unique position. the only team -- >> sean: i tell you what i read and people tell me. we know the strength and weaknesses of the candidate. it asked romney about romneycare. i asked about the nancy pelosi issue. i asked about the personal life. we asked if he should be discipline. i asked the questions of the guys. they have been asked to death.

there is so much scrutiny, the democrats get a pass. then the fear begins. they're too flawed. but the most flawed person in this case is barack obama. it gets frustrated to me to see the in-fighting and the nitpicking on the guys. >> i understand your frustration but i don't think it's nitpicking to look at each and ercandidate -- >> sean: you are misunderstanding me. >> no, i'm not. >> sean: there comes a point. >> i think you're frustrated, sean. it understand that. >> sean: they all have strength and weaknesses is what i'm saying. >> i am saying i think it's important toddling up mitt romney statements when he describes himself as a progressive several years ago. justs important to talk about newt gingrich actions to

talk about progressivism and in some cases uncontrolled sense of narcissism. look, the seahawks, wh tea parta party? national review and washington republicans don't like newt gingrich, a lot of tea party don't either. they have not forgiven him for the new york 23 misjudgment. the smears of the grass root conservative to -- >> sean: let me put this in another way. >> the big labor rhino in new york. >> sean:ly concede. there is not the perfect candidate. but this is our slate of candidates. at the end of the day, michelle, i looked at all of their strengths, all of their weaknesses and all of the candidates are infinitely better than the disaster we have in washington today. there is a canture, to use your term, culture of

corruption, a culture of conservatives they are not happy until they each their own and spit them out and say they won't vote for the other one. at one point they have to realize there is one winner this. not the establishment decide bug the people in this country that are republican that vote in the primary that decide. i don't think any one endorse element matt they're much. >> i agree. it's all common sense you are talking about. this is the primary process. there is nothing new here. nothing unprecedented about the republican candidates going after each other. >> sean: i agree. healthy. >> for the general election battle. it is healthy. >> sean: healthy to a point. then it gets to be unhealthy and counter productive. and i think the word of republicans we should come back in the general campaign used by obama. >> i think that the unhealthiest thing would be to whitewash the flaws. >> i'm not talking about whitewashing anything. >> go on the wagon and

unhealthy to pretend that the candidates are something they are not. >> sean: all right. let them pummel each other and forget who the real person that needs to be defeated here. it comes a point a fine line distinction and we make a big mistake. got to run. good to see you. >> you bet. >> sean: appreciate it. time to check in with greta. she has the big interview today. you got to hang out with rushbo all day. how was that? >> greta: fascinating interview. we'll air it soon. day from hell. first question, got there and we blew out rush's power while he was on radio setting up the equipment. he was a good sport, only happened one other time. unfortunately that other time was when fox was there. we're 2-0. >> sean: oh, no. >> greta: then we got back to the national airport and they wouldn't let us off the plane. jetway was broken. then nine or ten f.b.i. agents stormed the plane and helds through and someone was arrested. great interview. we're a little bit, little bit ragged. >> sean: i fille filled in for

rush limbaugh the first time, he has a golden mike. plop. comes back from vacation and says hannity broke my microphone. >> greta: he will never let us near his studio. a disaster. i don't blame him either. >> sean: we'll be watching ♪

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>> we agree he the smartest guy in the panel. people need excitement. they want to know so someone going to signal change in country? and do something. >> gingrich is looking that way. do we know this? i like the change of ideas. it's good for the country. >> maybe it's because i am so close to it. frankly, i'm to the point i have had it with the, you know, the obama gets a pass on everything. in 1972 you were little and you did this. >> i have an opposite opinion. i think newt gingrich will be so gloaty, he is the brain in race. it will backfire on him by being con descending to obama. i think a lot of people might feel sorry for obama. >> sean: i think you are

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>> sean: we continue with our great american panel. throughout the process, one

person now, his numbers continue to go down. he has the lowest approval rate, throw it to you, peter. of the presidency. barack obama. you know what? he got everything he wanted passed. everything. and the economy didn't recover. so, in the end is there too much of, you know, focus. >> it's kind of sick. president obama is a failure as a president. we hoped he would be successful as a president. we hoped that hope and change meant something of the so republicans what they are doing is saying well, you know, he may not be accept to believe this magazine here or this outlet may find him objectionable. and maybe he can't win. that is not the attitude. the attitude is a robust exchange of ideas, let them go head-to-head and pick the best candidate that has the most vitality and ideas that can win.

>> you don't have an answer. >> i don't have an answer. >> i'm happy to watch tomorrow night. >> huge. >> great. >> get dir rit toes out. >> yeah. >> where are the mutton heads. i saw a few outside. >> sean: i like to watch football. >> the hard core, the sports radio people not paying attention. when they look up at october, watching the view, john stewart. and newt gingrich will be savageed. >> any republican is going to be beaten to death. >> when they say i'm a muttonhead and i'm underemployed and i eat doritos. then they see newt gingrich or mitt romney, they say okay, tough guy. >> obama plays class warfare card well. he will appeal to these

people. gingrich will be defending instead of talking about -- hi won't do a pipeline. >> whatever happened to i was washshshshing dishes at 12. they didn't have a dishwasher machine in the restaurant. >> you may be right but it's spun in a way -- >> sean: sorry, i asked. >> it changes the conversation from panel bam weaknesses, no job, to pipeline. you won't let a pipeline be built? >> i take cleaning toilets over obamacare. >> me, too. >> i think the republican party has done a bad job to define who we are. the democratic party -- >> sean: i'll make a prediction. tomorrow night's debate will have a huge impact on iowa. ron paul is now in second place. how did ron paul get away with the newsletter of his with incredible things written in them and nobody scrutinizes him? >> a lot of people on the left likes ron paul. he was right on iraq war