am bill o'reilly. the spin stops right here because we are definitely looking out for you. >> last night, for the final time, the republican presidential candidates took to the stage in an effort to win the support of iowa caucus goers. good evening, i'm monica crowley, in tonight for sean. in just a moment, i will be joined by former presidential candidate herman cain. but first, the highlights from yesterday's showed showdown in sioux city. where newt gingrich's relationship to fannie and freddie. >> i had conservatives knocking down by door because i was the

effective advocate for the principles that they believed in. that's the contrast. >> he has a different definition of the private sector than i have. it's the gsc, government sponsored enterprise. that's completely different. >> we know he cashed paychecks from freddie mac, that's the best evidence you can have. when the speaker had his hand out, take $1.6 million to influence senior republicans to keep the scam going in washington, d.c. that's absolutely wrong. >> the former peeker's conservative credentials were also called into question last night. here's how he sppded. >> i have a 90% american conservative union voting record for 20 years. i balanced the budget for four straight years, paid off $405 billion in debt, conservative. the first wealth entitlement reform of your lifetime, the only one to now is welfare, two out of three people went back to work or to school, conservative. first tax cut in 16 years,

largest capital gains tax cut in history, unemployment down to 4.2%. it's laughable to suggest that someone who campaigned with ronald reagan and jasm kemp and has a 30-year record of corveativism is not conservative. >> joining me live from atlanta with reaction is former presidential candidate, herman cain. great to see you, sir. >> hello, monic a. i know what it's like to have the bull's-eye on your back. at one point, as you know, i had it on my back. they were relentless last night attacking newt because he's in first place. but i would hope that the people do not lose sight of the fact -- of the facts. don't make a decision based upon attacks. try to make a decision about who are going to vote for based upon who can beat barack obama. that is the objective that they ought to all be focused on. now, given those attacks that you highlighted, some people

overlacked the fact that he made some very good points -- i am want trying to defend newt, i am trying to present both sides of what i saw last night. number 1, he made an excellent point about activist judges. and he also made an excellent point about the keystone pipeline and how that would bring jobs and how it was utterly ridiculous that president obama threatened to not pass legislation if that were in t. so, yes, it was attack night against newt, for most of them. but also, i don't believe that the american people got enough information about how they would solve some of these problems. we know what the problems are. the people want to know more about how you would solve them. >> let me ask you that then, mr. cain, you ran in the field with these folks until very recently. now, you are no longer a candidate, but you are a voter like the rest of us. so what specifically are you looking for from these

candidates that could make up your mind as to whom to vote for? >> number 1, what is your specific plan for economic growth and job creation? we all know that this economy's on life support. i want to know the specific plan. number 2, what is your specific plan for energy independence? and what are your specifics on national security? i happen to believe that those are the top three critical crisis that we face. that's what i was listening for. and the lowlight of the debate, in my opinion, was that he didn't hear enough of the specifics on those critical issues. that's what i am looking for, not a single issue. and secondly, i am not going to make my decision based upon how bad someone gets beat up because they are attacked negatively. >> mr. cain, you came out early with a very bold, clear pro-growth tax reform plan,

9-9-9. but i do think that radical tax reform centered on cutting tax rates in exchange for closing most loopholes and ductions will really light a fire under this economy. do you think we are going to see that, assuming we get a new president? >> if we get a new president, i believe that we will get that. and here's why. even though the current contenders that are still in the race, most of them based their economic growth plan base the upon modifying the current tax code. in the last debate, i was pleased to hear representative bachmann and speaker gingrich to say, we need to throw out the current tax code. that's why i started before i introduced 9-9-9. now, given that, if we elect -- when we elect a conservative republican president, i am going to still be leading a massive people's movement to get 9-9-9

passed. it is not going to go away just because i'm no longer a candidate. so i think that the only way we have any real possibility of major tax code replacement is with a conservative republican in the white house. it is not going to happen with this current president. >> you mentioned this week that when we do get a new president, you would like to be invited to be the secretary of defense. why? >> because i believe in the philosophy which is an extension of the reagan police fee, peace through strength and clarity. our strength as a nation, historically, has always been a strong military. this administration has weakened our military. a strong economy. our economy is want growing. our strong moral values. our moral values are under attack. and i happen to believe that someone who can influence the president on strengthening our

military -- it in my opinion, you don't need to have detailed military expertise. i worked for the department of the navy. you need to be a leader. and be able to properly prioritize the issues that are going to make the best military in the world even better. that's why i said that. leadership is what the defense department needs, along with leadership in the white house. >> mr. cain, will you be make an endorsement of any of the g.o.p. candidates? and if so, when? >> i will not be making an endorsement in the short future. and here's why. my number-1 objective, monica, is to endorse someone who can beat barack obama. if i were to endorse too early, i might help someone get the republican nomination, but that's not my objective. and that's not the objective of my supporters.

i trust my supporters who -- to be able to make a decision in this primary process. and at the right time, i want to be able to endorse machine who can beat barack obama. that is the ultimate objective that i am focused on. i am going to continue to work to make that happen. >> that's the point of this election, to defeat barack obama. it is not about the republican candidate, it's about barack obama's abysmal record. great to see and you merry christmas to you and your family. >> you too. >> media mash is back with brent boesel. and first, no presidential candidate on the republican side has won the g.o.p. nomination without winning the south carolina primary. and now mitt romney has picked up the support of that state's governor.

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>> g.o.p. hopeful, mitt romney, has picked up another big endorsement, this time from the south carolina governor, who made the announcement this morning on fox and friends. >> when i look at the focus of what every family cares about, it's job, the economy and spending. what i want is someone who is not part of the chaos that is washington. i wanted someone who knew what it was like to turn broken companies around, someone who had proven results by improving

a failed olympics and ended up being a great success story and someone who knows what it's like to make a decision and lead, not just make a vote. mitt romney is that person. >> governor halley's highly coveted endorsement is especially important for romney because he's trailing behind newt gingrich in most polls in that state and no republican candidate has won the party's nomination without winning the south carolina primary. here now with the analysis of the big announcement and their reactions to last night's debate, fox news contributor, ed rollins and margaret hoover. >> wonderful to be here. >> your reaction to last night's debate? was there a clear winner? >> i think that romney came back and had a good night. you know, two weeks ago, newt started a move. he had a great debate before this one. last night wasn't quite as good.

i think the reality is that everyone did well, they froze their vote in place. so michele bachmann had a good night, santorum made some points. nobody lost votes. at the end of the day, romney had a solid performance because he wasn't entangled with gingrich or perry. >> margaret, do you agree, there is not a lot of fluidity at this point? >> i agree. it's seltzed down. but i was so struck by how mitt romney really ran as a general election candidate and newt gingrich was running as the first of the nation primary caucus in january. he was really positioning himself for a win in iowa and his primary competitor, romney, was positioning himself as the guy who can win the general election. they had very different on sound bites and strategies and arguments, not just for the folks there and to everyone watching. >> very different organizations. ed, do you think it's possible that newt gingrich may have peaked too soon, in that we are seeing a lot of polls with the

hypothetical matchup of obama versus mitt romney, where they are both essentially tied orn in some cases romney's beating him and obama versus newt gingrich, where newt is really trailing. and people are saying, i have to get serious, i need to get serious about backing someone who can defeat barack obama? >> i think that's very truthful. the last couple of week, newt's moved up in the polls and cain dropped out and people say, this guy can be the nominee. then people said, now, newt has a great many fans, chiam one of them, and he has a lot of people have stepped forward and trashed him. more important, there are $10 million in advertising spent against him last week in iowa. this is a traditional campaign. no longer 13 debates. we have seen the last of the debates. it's about television and organization. things he doesn't have and romney has that in spades. >> what do you think of governor halley's endorsement today? i mentioned that nobody has won the republican nomination

without first winning south carolina. but i think it's more important than even that. i think what is significant about this is that she is a tea party favorite. and mitt romney desperately needs tea party cred that she might be able to give. >> in that sense, he got a two-for, tea party credibility and the state he needs to win where he is trailing by 19.3 percentage points. so he desperately needs the leader of the republican party in south carolina to hit the twrail him, which they are doing all day today and tomorrow. >> south carolina's complicated state. there are lots of factions down there. he is a tremendous resource. the governor gives him a big big surogate. he has her and before this is over, he may get terry branson. >> is there a possibility that conservatives look at g.o.p.

establishment and i know that governor halley is not considered that, but she might be as the governor, but they look at -- they look at chris christie or the other endorsements and they say, you know what? forget it. that's part what have got us into this problem, the tea party's rebelling against it. and if the establishment says i should like this guy, i should go for the other guy. >> especially what you are hearing on talk radio, this is why the endorsements are so important. they are not considered establishment. nobody thinks they are washington insiders. >> lets me ask you this. given the big endorsements and mitt romney's poll numbers are coming back. it looks like he's starting to regroup his inevitable quoteient. does that help him or hurt him with the primary voters who say, this is not a coronation, this is a competition? >> the game is a long ways from over. someone will be the conservative

challenger. we have had three or four people step into harole. once the spotlight's gone, they have faltered. if gingrich can't carry that ball -- i am not saying he can't, rick perry is coming back -- >> you think so? >> i think so. >> he has had good activity in iowa and very good activity in south carolina. he has very strong operatives there. he has the money. money and organization do matter in campaigning. >> the time frame is really narrowing. alternates time for conservatives conservatives and republican primary voters to narrow the focus. what conservatives want more than anything else is to beat barack obama. so i think at the end of the day, that will trump all the other bickering. conservatives more than liberals and did in thees rally around the nominee, they rally around their candidate. they will take him across the finish line. >> one big difference this time, february 3, four years ago, was super tuesday. we start at the same time, we

had 21 primaries, 900 delegates, most of them were winner take all. february's now a down month. so whoever comes out, gingrich or perry as the challenger to romney, has the opportunity to regroup. i think the republican race will go on to mid-march or april before someone emerges. >> nobody has even cast one vote yet. they could prove us all wrong. thank you so much for being here. nice to see you. >> still ahead, all the wayss te liberal media in media mash. but sean a interview with an incredible inside look into the new e-book that goes behind ther the scenes of the capital one's new cash rewards card gives you a 50% annual bonus! so you earn 50% more cash. according to research, everybody likes more cash. well, almost everybody... ♪

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>> it's the side of campaigning you won't get to see on tv. since president obama's win in 2008, real clear politics has been preparing for the g.o.p. primary race by keeping close tabs on all the possible candidates and dop aides. now in a brand-new e-book seeshz, they are revealing their behind-the the-scenes findings from the campaign trail. sean sat down with the author to discuss the first installment in

the series, election 2012, the battle begins. >> tom, good to see you. >> great to be with you, sean. >> i love this. you have a lot of behind-the-scenes informs. i follow politics every day, i didn't know most of t. really good researching here. i love how you tell the story of frank luntz hosting a dinner after the election and a lot of people came to this dinner. newt gingrich, and gingrich inspired -- he's now leading in the polls, he inspired the group, immediately after the election. tell that story. >> yeah, it's really, i mean, we tried to set the scene, the broader -- instead of the day-to-day stuff, set the broader stakes of the election. the scene setter, this private dinner on inauguration day, while the democrats headed off to celebrate, gingrich was leading a dinner, paul ryan and tom coburn was there, jon kyl

and others and they spent 3 hour, drirking, talking through, trying to basically, lick their wounds from the election and trying to figure out how to rebuild the republican brand in the face of a president with 70% job approval rating and a democratically controlled house and senate. and that's the scene setter. >> you say in october, 2011, a little over a month ago, the decision was made by the democrats not to run against a candidate, to you about run against the tea party this, election. is that what we are going to see? >> absolutely. that was a release from the obama campaign. you know, this is something else that we chronicle in the book about the tea party. we research the origins of it. you probably know this, it started well in advance of barack obama being elected. it goes back to 2007. in some cases. with an outgrowth of the financial meltdown, t.a.r. and it accelerated under the obama administration with the

stimulus and health care and all that. but certainly, the liberals and folks, the tea party had been maligned very much in the media as being an extremist, racist in some instances and that's the -- that's the organization that team obama wants to run against in 2012. >> you told an interesting story about rom -- about mitt romney in the book, where he started strategizing right after 2008 and part of that strategy was to create an air of inevitability. have they followed through? have they deviated from what they planned oral? >> well, they are starting to. i think the air of inevitability, which was always overblown, i think, has started to crumble here as we have seen now. but you are right. we go through in the book, after the 2008 election, romney had his staffers over to his house

for a christmas party, supposed to be a thank you, thanks for your efforts in 2008, but it tushed into a strategy session about 2012 and how he could position himself. and in that strategy, strategizing continued through 2009 and 2010 and they took into account, the appearance of the tea party and all of that. but he's done -- had this air of inevitability about him. he has tried not to do a lot of media brews. he has tried to float above it. he has gotten away with it. in a lot of debates, he has looked very presidential. but we have seen that break down in the last couple of weeks. it will be interesting to see if he can keep it up, it is now crunch time with 30 days from the first vote. >> i thought it was interesting about donald trump and the president took a shot at him at the correspondence dinner. therein lies the beginning of the feud, don't take a shot at donald trump, if you don't expect to be hit back. >> you know, it's kind of -- the

donald trump section of the book was reals interesting in the sense that, you know, he was -- rocketed up in the polls. but when the correspondence dinner came, obama had released his birth certificate, just a few days prior. really had set this up. he planned to go in and humiliate him. seth myers, the talent at the white house correspondence dinner, did a bit on donald in his opening. you know, obama really went -- some people think he went overboard in the way he went after donald in the public setting, a thousand people -- you know what the dinner's like. and obama really took it to him. and donald was not happy about that. >> you also talk a lot about michele bachmann nher feuds with tim paulentyulenty and rick per. in the short time we have left, describe that. >> well, the bachmanna campaign, after they won the straw poll in

iowa, you know, perry had announced his candidacy in south carolina the same day. and they were both in waterloo the next day, where michele bachmann was born. her senior staffer had devised a plan to go up to perry and welcome him to the race, put her arm around him and say, from one former cheerleader to another, welcome to iowa. they thought that would be a good way of getting under perry's skin and let him know she was going to fight him for the turf in iowa and another adviser vetoed that plan and said, that's not presidential. it caused a rift between the campaign. they said, we are not president yet. so let's worry about that later. but right now, let's take it to rick perry. she ended up not doing that and perry had a great night that night and by all accounts outperformed her and that was the beginning of the end for bachmann in iowa. >> we appreciate you being with us. thanks so much, tom bevin. thanks. >> coming up, the great american

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u.s. economy may be turning around. the number of people applying for unemployment benefits dropped to its lowest level, 366,000, since before the recession. and abc found a lot of people saying mark this date, the comeback is for real. >> the smiling face of economic turnaround. >> i feel very happy i can come in to work, do a good job and make money and provide for my family. >> reporter: out of ork for five months, peter has a new job in a startup small business in evanston, illinois, part of a nationwide hiring boom. >> a nationwide hiring boom? that's a bit of a stretch, isn't it? >> yeah, that story could have been produced by the obama for president committee and you wouldn't have seen anything different. or she could be way wearing an obama for president sticker and you wouldn't feel at all awkward about it. we know there was an up tick, we

don't know why. it could have been seasonal or benefits running out. it could be the beginning of good news. but the reality is that unemployment has been stuck at 9% or higher, it's 8.6%. we have a massive debt, a crippling deficit, the economy is a mess and everyone says, how is this for a number? we saw this today, between 2005 and 2006, when unemployment was 5% and inflation was under control and the gdp was growing, negative to positive stories on the economy, 2 to 1. now they are looking for any glimmer of hope and it's another good sign that the economy is rebounding and employment is booming. it is just not true. >> any time we near a re-election situation or election year, you see this from the left-wing media, which is that they talk up the economy when there is a in the aming up for election and they talk down the economy when there is a

republican, looking to be in play, like they did with both presidents bush. they constantly talked down the economy. >> and with president reagan and the opposite happened with bill clinton and with barack obama. any glimmer of hop hope from now to election day will be magnified, 100 fold because the economy is the issue. >> let's turn to the second story. we have the networks going out in full force, trying to destroy newt gingrich. >> with another decent debate performance, newt gingrich is frightening his own party. >> why are they on the verge of enlisting in the army of newt? he has the wordses of their contempt. he's an opportunist, ready to seek any route to his opponent's heart and kill it. he's a political killer, a gun for hire. >> he has said very controversial things, talking about child labor and the poor and the palestinians at the end of the week, calling them an invented people, is being

outspoken and some would even say a little bit reckless, necessarily a bad thing in this election cycle? >> we have reckless, frightening, a political killer. so much for the new tone that the democrats said they wanted after the gabrielle giffords shooting. what is behind this hatred of newt gingrich? >> two things, fear and loging. they fear and they loathe newt gingrich. they fear him because of his ideas. he has bold ideas. they didn't fear sarah palin or michele bachmann. they didn't fear herman cain. they fear this man because of his ideas. loathing -- loathing because of 40 years in public office, they saw what he did in the 1990s. they saw how he broke the gridlock and the monopoly that the left had on the congress and they fear he dolled it again as president. so there is fear and loathing going on. the attacks on him, so far, have been 100 fold more vicious than anything on the republican and

we have seen from the beginning of this campaign, the sharpshooter has been out, trying to take his head off. >> if you are newt, you ought to be very flattered because them going gang busters proves he's been a very effective conservative. >> here's the thing. what they are trying to do is to trip him up to get him angry. so long as he stays positive, he will be okay. if he bites, if he gets intimidated and lashes back, they have him. >> is that what you think they are doing here? yes, of course, they hit him and his politics and they hate him personally. but do you think they are trying to bait him? >> sure, they are trying to pit him against rom -- romny and bachmann. they know he has a temper and they know they have been able to get him in trouble for it. he has done a masterful job,

showing he won't do t. when he makes it a point to say after a debate, these are all my friends and we are united gains obama and if we are going to support each other, he store scores very strong points. >> do you think that next year, we will get into the general election campaign and see the mainstream media in support of barack obama in a way they didn't do in 2008? >> sure. >> they weren't intimidated by him. they will be intimidated by any republican, because a republican in 2012 has a chance of beating obam a. we are seeing it develop every week. it will be 100% pro-obama and 100% against anybody who dares get in his way. >> great to see you. thank you. merry christmas. >> don't go anywhere, the great >> don't go anywhere, the great american panel is next. great ps before me, guided only by a dream.

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>> tonight on our great american panel, he was a former pollster for president jimmy carter and an adviser to george mcgovern's presidential campaign, pat caddell. he was a former mayor of providence, rhode island, with his own radio program, the buddy cianci show and the author of politics and pasta -- two of my favorite things, buddy cianci is here. and she's the director of the law fair project and the author of law fair, the war against free speech, brooke goldstein. great to see you guys on friday night. >> thanks. >> we have a little bit of breaking news happening tonight. the senate reached a tentative agreement to extend the payroll tax cut and extend unemployment benefits without raising tax, which is what president obama wanted to do. also, the republicans have gotten in this bill, a demand that the president make a decision on the keystone pipeline, also within the next two months. pat, your reaction? to me, it sounds like two months i. punt the ball two more months

and we will have the whole fight in two months. he won't allow the pipeline. this is ridiculous. this is what they do. it's pult off. >> here we go again, right? >> here we go again, nothing new. >> they want to go home. >> nothing says merry christmas like a two-month spending band-aid. the iowa debate on fox news yesterday. brooke, your thoughts on winners and losers? did anybody gabe ground? >> bachmann gained ground. she was very strong on foreign policy. she articulated the iranian threat very well. i was happy when santorum was talking about the martyr dom cult nur iran. it's something i have spent a lot of time raising, awareness with. and newt gingrich was alsouc talking about a major national security threat. >> buddy, your thoughts? what you are looking for? when you watch the candidates?

>> someone who can win, south american who can beat obam a. i think that came out yesterday, when it seemed to be the point and counter point was yeah, newt gingrich might be a great debater, but would you rather have a 100% conservative with forty% of the vote and a 75% conservative with 51% of the vote? i think who won, i think gingrich held his ground. debates about message and holding your ground. romney did well, he's the tennis player, he returns the shot. he didn't make too many mistakes. the big loser was ron paul. when he started to talk about -- he sounded like -- he sounded like -- who was that guy, the prime minister in england, chamberlain? >> peace in our time. don't worry about the iranians with the atomic bombs. that's okay. we have to live and everyone should have their own. i think he was the big loser. bachmann surprised me. she's been consistent. she's a lot better than a lot of

people think. and she's from iowa. i don't know if she has the ground game or the money. but she did a lot better than i thought. but i think gingrich, it's his to lose at this point. >> look, let me say this. i want to say, i was so glad to see them talk about the foreign policy because i have been doing polling on a gigantic issue and nobody one in washington seems tong it matters. it matters a great deal. people feel very strongly, especially about islamic terrorists and iran. i want to say, this is a race down to two people. it is about newt gingrich and romney. i thought they both had good debates. gingrich had a tough moment on the freddie mac. and it's hurting -- you know, this question is simple -- by the way, if we are going to discuss fannie and freddie, let's discuss that they have a chief of staff in the white house and the head of national security, both should be in jail over that issue. but anyway, the media should get this.

look, here's the choice, republican voters are struggling with. the first thing is, are they going to go with romney? and is he nixon in 68, steady and can't win? or is he dole? and -- or gingrich and is he reagan. >> this country is out of the box, 69% of the people think it's in decline. this is not conventional politics, the way washington and the media discuss it. >> how can there be a question that obama is so even in the head when the country has, as you say, it's 70% of the people think the country's going in the wrong direction, 54% of people think their homes are upside down in value. 65% can't come up with $1,000 in an emergency. the unemployment rate hasn't changed much. but people are dissatisfied. congress is gridlocked, the only

people supporting them -- >> so, isn't that the key? that this election needs to be framed by the republicans because god knows the left-wing media's going to frame it as what kind of conditionedidate the republicans put up? this is not the g.o.p.and cadgedidate. this is a referendum on barack obama and the abysmal record that buddy cianci just articulated here. and the republicans need to keep the focus on that and pound on it day and night. >> and they need to keep the focus on foreign policy. everyone agrees, this is the weak link in in the obama administration. hillary clinton met with the islamic cooperation organization, they are not our friend, they are moving to get the defamation of religion a crime against humanity. we have a president -- >> are you kidding?! >> he's purging -- >> he's done the opposite. and by the way, the administration has sent john

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>> we continue with our great american panel. a new poll released today,

associated press, gfk poll showing for the first time, a majority of americans believe that barack obama should be voted out of office -- 52% say he does not deserve to be re-elected. pat caddell, you are the democratic pollster, he's in trouble? >> he's in deep trouble. the cbs poll was 41-54 saying he shouldn't be re-elected. the harvard poll showing young people giveim a disapproval rating. i am telling you, the reason he's in the ballgame is because the republican party has no narrative. and nobody seems to understand how to speak to what i keep saying is the prerevolutionary moment. >> only 43% and this is very early days, anything could happen, but only 43% say the incumbent president with all the power of the incumbency that he deserves to be re-elected. >> those are terrible numbers. kigo back to what i said before, the reason the numbers are so

bad is because of the way the condition of the economy is. and i can truly tell you that there is another number that wasn't put on that screen and that is that people -- in the majority, 52, 54%, they have a likeability factor with obama. they seem to like him and to say that maybe, you know, he's -- he's a likeable guy, but maybe he is not up to the job. when you look at romney, he looks like the guy -- you know, i am not trying to be funny, the guy who turned your bank loan down. perry would be great in the silent movies and then talkies came out. and in addition to that, you have a gingrich, who is like your professor. so these people have the charisma to beat an obama because people vote emotion. that's what they vote -- >> that's right. that's exactly right. you know, so many of us think that voting is an intellectual act. and it is. but it's an emotional act. people want to feel good for the person for whom they are voting.

when you look at republican party right now, traditionally, they have had two big strengths, limited government and strong on national security. all have you to do is take the very two simple narratives, put them together because they are interlinked and sell your mange. yet, none of these guys, there are some exceptions. but they seem to be a hot mess and not focused on those two strands. >> that's exactly what the poll shows. the poll says that regardless of who is the republican candidate, voters still think that obama should be voted out of office. just to go to the last comment, the poll said and americans said they have a very good outlook on the economy. still, they disapprove of the way obama is handling it. so it's not as though the economy improves, obama's chances will improve. the poll shows the opposite. the question is, what is obama's narrative. he has blamed bush and congress. what is he going to say to turn these polls around? >> he's going to go absolutely

negative, right? and what -- pat, let me ask thu, what does that do? heville to go scorch earth. what does that do to the brand? >> it means he cannot govern the country. we wrote a piece, saying he should step aside. they will make this campaign something to behold and by the way, i don't think the american people think the economy is good. they really feel, i mean -- >> the poll said they were optimistic about the economy and still, they felt -- >> let me say -- [overlapping dialogue] >> change has not come. >> let me tell you something i. american people are extremely forgiving, number 1. you know, they vote emotional nemany ways. emotions are nothing more than effective body states, characterized by peculiar body changes. >> that sounds sickly dirt. go ahead, pat. >> 69% of the people think this country's in decline, and only

60% believe their children will not live the american dream. this is want this issue, it is framed large. he is presiding over political asasasasasasasasasasasasasasasan i. you should know [overlapping dialogue] >> okay. but speaking -- speaking of jimmy carter who, did not win re-election. >> but came closer than you ever realized. >> yes, i know. but let me ask you this, once formers form an indelible impression of a president, it sticks with them, it's very hard to reverse. quickly. >> it's a choice t. does come down to, is the other person able to be president? and they are going on say, the republicans are not. but i think obama -- [inaudible]. >> buddy? >> it's too early to tell, but everybody's in the ballgame. anybody can win. >> i wouldn't count obama out. >> quickly, i think in terms of impressions, newt is a