us. the spin stops right here. no bumper cars but the spin stops here because we're looking out for you. >> sean: latest polls have gingrich surging in order to hit mitt romney. he is here why he thinks he can take top spot in south carolina. they pile on governor romney. >> what he did at bain capital, i think this president is going to win it. >> sean: is this a sneak peek and first lady michelle obama unplugged. >> that has been an image that

people have tried to paint of me the day i announced i'm some angry black woman. >> sean: reaction to unusual interview. plus nikki haley is here with her present deductions on the primary. countdown to election day continues and hasn't any starts right here, right now. >> sean: latest from south carolina continues as the candidates attempted to rally supporters ahead of next week's primary. among the candidates, is the former speaker of the house, newt gingrich and to help him in this fight he is calling romney's conservatism. >> what happened after massachusetts mitt romney changed his position from pro abortion to pro-life, he governed pro abortion. romney appointed a pro abortion judge and expanded abortion bills but planned parenthood on the state medical board. romney signed government

mandated heavily with taxpayer funded abortions. massachusetts month moderate mitt romney can't be trusted i'm newt gingrich and i approve the message. >> sean: joining me now is former speaker of the house, newt gingrich, welcome back. thanks for being with us. >> it's good to be with you and very keigt time in south carolina as you pointed out. i think the message of reagan conservative jobs program, cutting taxes, cutting regulations, developing american energy including offshore natural gas in south carolina, all of that is working very well. in contrast between a georgia-reagan conservative and a massachusetts moderate is a desize i have contrast. >> sean: there are a number of polls that came out, some more favorable. some very close, has you very close with mitt romney, inside advantage poll. what is different between iowa

and new hampshire and south carolina from your perspective? >> biggest difference that we draw the line distinction between governor romney's record and my record. i'm for the amendment. he was for massachusetts gun control and had a 400 am increase on taxes on guns. he appointed liberal judges in massachusetts. you go down the list. i cut taxes, he raised taxes. his entire site romney taxes.com all the tax increases he imposed. as a result they were 47th in the bottom of creating jobs as a speaker we created 11 million new jobs working with bill clinton to cut taxes, cut regulations and have job creation. the contrast is beginning to work. >> sean: this was not your strat when you started in iowa.

last time you were on, you said you frankly were trying to have an experimented. that is you want to run a positive campaign. now you are running a comparative campaign. it is aimed directly at romney. would this be different had mitt romney super pack not run the millions of dollars of ads against you in iowa? >> sure, yes. i was very happy, i was running a totally positive campaign, solutions for jobs, solutions for balancing the budget. solutions for national security. as a result in the gallup poll, pulled away by 12-15 points. so i understand that my competitors did what they thought they had to do but as a result they changed the ground rules. if you run a positive campaign when your opponent is spending $3.5 million attacking you you are unilaterally disarmed. we shifted gears to a

straightforward contrast between a georgia reagan conservative and a massachusetts moderate. we're laying it out very factually. everything in that ad is factually correct. i'm very prepared to debate romney next week over the accuracy of my ads versus his ads. >> sean: i'm looking forward to being down there in south carolina. a lot has been made over bain capital. i got into this rick perry. he had harsh words, he called it vulture capitalism. ethics were thrown out the door. when i asked him, he doubled down. you seem to pull back. you most recent comment. you are not attacking capitalism. you are attacking romney's judgment. explain the point you want to make on bain, what is it? >> i do think it's absurd there

has been a general response, mostly by romney supporters, that to question his record is to be opposed capitalism. romney said he had two criteria for being president, one is record of governor he doesn't want to discuss. other one he claims he created 100,000 jobs. "washington post" gave him three pinocchios. they pointed out in 1994 he claimed to have created 10,000 jobs and he wasn't in bain capital and he couldn't find any evidence that he created 100,000 jobs. working with clinton 11 million jobs. so i had to ask questions let's look at the record. let's see the details. don't just give us the claim. show us what actually happened. that somehow got turned into questioning capitalism which is baloney. he is making a set of claims.

he bases it on his career. he is running for president, i think he owes the country a much more detailed answer about what his career was like, what decisions they made. because we're looking at the judgment, values of a particular person, not of a system, but one guy, mitt romney who wants to be president. >> sean: you keep using the term massachusetts moderate. i think most people recognize you are conservative. doing that between you, rick perry, rick santorum you are slitting the conservative vote? >> of course we are. that is of concern to us, frankly as the race clarifies over the next five to six days, my hope is given poll that is close enough to romney to beat him, the average south carolina voter will decide they will vote for a conservative. it's clear from the polling data, if we consolidate

conservatives we could beat romney by a big margin. that is one of my major challenges is to convince conservatives to come together to make sure that we don't nominate a moderate who i think would have a hard time debating obama. >> sean: how does ron paul factor into this? >> i think as a protest candidate in his own universe with his own supporters. i think you don't draw votes away from him and he doesn't draw votes from anyone else. he is unique protest candidate. he has a strong message that is a combination of critiquing the federal reserve, calling for hard money. being basically iranian nuclear weapons and suicidal of israel. a lot of young people want him to legalize drugs. it doesn't fit anybody else's campaign. >> sean: thank you so much for being with us. coming up, it appears that

romney's rivals have taken a page out of the playbook. his time in bain capital. we'll check in with liz cheney. first lady unplugged. that and american great panel and much more straight ahead. wake up!

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>> sean: gop nomination some of mitt romney's competitors are previewing how the obama campaign may go for election battle against the former governor. president's allies used same attack as some of the gop rivals used in recent days. listen to this. >> i think if you look what he has done, both what mr. roydz did at bain capital, think this president is going to win that argument. >> i'm president of one of unions that had bain capital acquired companies from our pointed of view, this has tried to create jobs. to me that is fundamental. >> sean: mitt romney addressed this criticism. >> there are number of businesses we helped start which collectively you can look on their websites, well over hundred thousand jobs.

so reported on businesses that lost employment. that was a few thousand jobs that were lost. in each case, where there was job loss there was an effort on the part of the management team to try to preserve the business. reality in the private sector, there are some businesses growing and thriving. we were fortunate enough to be part of that in a small way. there are some businesses that have to be cut back in order to survive and try to make them stronger. >> sean: joining me for reaction wall williams williams and liz cheney. there is pew research center survey that dame out today, liz. it shows that 66% of the american people believe they are very strong or strong conflicts presently in this country between the rich and poor. 47% of all americans do not pay any federal income tax.

president has been spoken this with class warfare with regularity. obviously, it must be working, no? >> it's clearly working for him in an attempt to secure his base. it's basically all he's got in many ways. he doesn't have a record he can run on. he can say to the american people, here is all i've accomplished. i think it's seven congressional and i think the american people are going to see through it. at the same time i don't support and i can't condone the kinds of attacks that have been launched on governor romney. i have not signed on any of these campaigns. i think republicans ought to explain to the american people we stand for strong private sector growth. we know that jobs are going to come from the private sector. we shouldn't be attacking republicans that work in the private sector. >> sean: i agree with you on that point. this is 19% percentage jump.

nobody denies the president uses class warfare rhetoric all the time. instead of fostering the idea freedom, opportunity versus the nanny state he is building on top of our children and grandchildren is pretty ugly way to if gain votes isn't it? >> let's put the politics aside. i think the american people aren't dumb. they know there is more income inequality in this country ever. they understand that the executives are making 400 times what the workers are making. they understand some of these equity groups and venture capital groups they put debt on these companies and they don't care when the company crashes. believe me, that is an anger that is fueling not only occupy wall street, it is fueling tea

party. >> sean: i didn't want wall street bailed out. i didn't want insurance companies bailed out or financial institutions. what the president is doing in his rhetoric he turns this rich versus poor. rather than creating an economic environment where everybody can be successful, he pits one american against each other. we see democrats use this technique every election. this time, though, it's 19 points since president obama started. look, i think he clearly has a situation that is now the obama economy is not where it ought to be. people are hurting. look at the speech that the president's chairman of economic advisors on today on the topic of income equality. it took him nine tenths of speech to say here is what we ought to do about it.

his solution is more obamacare and more stimulus. this administration is out of solutions. they don't fundamentally understand how free market system works and they can't be counted on to do anything differently if the american people give him a second term. that is where the republicans to have stand up and say, look, we know we need a private sector making these decisions. we don't need more solyndras, we don't need more debt to put on to our shoulders of our kids and grandkids. >> sean: what does it say about a president that is so desirous of reelection, marine one and his helicopter that he would ignite a class war and fan the politics of envy and division? what does that say about him? it seems to me the guy that ran in 2008 on hope and opportunity, yes, we can, that guy is long gone. this is whole different

candidate a whole different person that can't run on his record? >> before i begin beating up on president obama, aren't you worried that fellow republicans are pursuing this. >> sean: here is my question. >> i'm saying hold on, you guys, you are warming up, you are protecting mitt romney but the fact is republicans and a lot of populism and lots of republicans are saying we got pushed out. we didn't like. why is it. that isn't president obama. >> sean: here is the question. 47 of americans don't pay enough. those that pay get beaten up by the president of the united states. i want a number, how much is enough in the minds of a liberal. what percentage of ones income after property federal and sales taxes, a country that is based on equal opportunity.

give me a percentage? >> i happen to think about 35%. >> i'm paying over 50. >> let me tell you pick on people. you say 47% don't pay taxes. a lot of this seniors and living on retirement income and pensions. you want to beat them up for not paying taxes. but what the big boys on wall street. >> the way that we can do the very best for the middle-class that is hurt hurting in this country, is to get the economy growing again. i think you would be hard pressed to find many people outside president's inner circle that believes more government spending taking on more debt is the solution to creating jobs. it simply won't work. anybody that thought it mike be work has been disabused by that.

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>> sean: america has seen better days. our economy is in terrible shape. we're deeper in debt than we ever have been. all thanks to barack obama. now, the anointed one is going to have a difficult time to base his reelection campaign on his record. seeing that as he doesn't have one but not according to the first lady. michelle obama, she thinks

americans were too blind and dumb with all the incredible things that her husband has accomplished since taking office. >> some people say they are disappointed in barack obama's presidency, it hasn't accomplished all that they thought it could. >> they don't know that. this campaign is going to be making sure that people understand all has been accomplished. i think people are confused about how much has been accomplished. that is what you do in a campaign. >> sean: joining me in reaction, ed rollins and kimberly guilfoyle. i love the show. congratulations on your success. they don't know. people are confused. we're kind of dumb. we can't figure this out. we don't understand $5 trillion is too much. we don't understand we've lot jobs, first president in modern

history to lose jobs first four years. >> commander or spender in chief. there is bit of record people can make an honest evaluation and determine if this is the direction they want the country to go. first lady, i have respect for her. she is in a difficult position. she wants to defend her husband and president. so in rhetoric it's dancing on land mines, she is suggesting the american people are ignorant or they need to be schooled in that way. >> sean: do you interpret the the same way? >> at the end day, first lady has a tough mission. they sit there and watch their husband struggle long hours. i hope she wins out. i hope they explain what they've done. because they could lose. >> sean: that is not the strategy they will adopt. >> no. i think at the end day.

if you believe what you read, throughout the struggle inside a white house, first ladies have struggles with their senior staff. my sense is more she interferes, more difficult it will be. >> sean: let me go to this other comment. some people have tried to paint her, quote, an angry black woman. >> i am one of his biggest convict dance but he has dozens of smart people around him. that is not to say we don't have discussions and conversations. that is not to say my husband doesn't know how i feel. >> it's more interesting to imagine this conflicted situation here and strong woman, but that has been an image that people have tried to paint of me the day that announced that i'm some angry black woman. >> sean: do you know anybody that tried to paint that image

of her? forget about blogs but any republican conservative? i can't. >> i think he has been treated with great respect. president obama deserves great. >> she has been a good mother. the challenges she has taken up, she has been effective. at the end dast day. >> sean: as long as she leaves my twin kies alone. >> my partner will attest, being first lady is a difficult task. >> you were the first lady of san francisco. anybody in the public eye have had to deal with horrible mean-spirited things. i just don't read it anymore. i don't deal with it, but i'm sure it was difficult. i kind of like that, don't come closer.

>> look, she is in a tough position. she has to get out and support him but its difficult balance from going on and supporting your husband. people don't want to see somebody to dictate policy and there will be fighting behind the scenes. she may differ in opinion and she is a educated woman. she has a lot of things thoughts the way the direction the country should be going. >> sean: when she said back in february of 2008, he said it not once but twice on two separate occasions. here is what he said back in 2008. >> people in this country are ready for change and hungry for a different kind of politics. let me tell you something for the first time in my adult life, i am proud of my country because it feels like hope is finally making a comeback. >> sean: is barack obama running

a different kind of politics? >> he promised not to be different. she is a true believer. i think he is a stronger personality than he is. at the end of the day, we didn't elect her, we elected him. to a certain extent she can push him but at the end day he has to run on his record and it's not a very good record. >> that is the problem. if she is going to come from behind the scenes to try to help resurrect her husband's reelection, she is going to see those numbers drop and that may work against president obama. in terms of hopes and change. >> sean: for the first time i was proud of my country. >> that won't be helpful. >> you said about bitter people in pennsylvania clinging to guns and religion. >> she'll be reminded of that.

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>> sean: gop candidate has gone on to win the nomination by first winning the south carolina primary and with all eyes on the state, will mitt romney make history by winning iowa, new hampshire and south carolina? joining me now, favorite of the tea party movement and has thrown her support behind the massachusetts governor, nikki haley is back? >> i'm great. we're celebrating.

bmw announced $9 million investment so south carolina is smiling. >> sean: all of that in spite of barack obama. >> in spite of barack obama, that is what i love. >> sean: we had newt gingrich on. things have gotten heated. a lot of ads running in your state. a lot of them we would say are negative ads back and forth, romney campaign, super pack. romney supporters, newt supporters they are running ads against each other. i asked former speaker gingrich if this is campaign he would run if in fact the super pack supporting romney was so harsh against him and spent millions of dollars against him in iowa. he said it not with be the same campaign. what is your reaction? is that the way politics works, that is the name of the game,

get used to it? >> primaries are tough. i will tell you we are seeing a heated primary. we saw in it new hampshire and seeing it in south carolina. i will tell you you can tell a lot about a candidate and how they are going to be in office in how they handle themselves in campaign. you have to have a tough spine. what i am so proud of governor romney has shown grace under fire. he is untouchable when it comes to emotions or getting to where he says the wrong thing or does the wrong thing. he is very calm. there is a vision he wants to see. what i want to make sure is very clear, i have a great respect for all of our candidates. we love the fact they are all in south carolina, but i had congressman clyburn outside my governor's office yesterday complaining on a rage against governor romney against the free market. we have to be very careful.

we cannot have our conservative candidates get out there and have democratic talking points. it shouldn't happen in our party. i don't want democrats around the corner they got one up on us. i would ask the candidates, let's be careful. we have been for the free market. >> sean: governor, we had on the program the other night governor perry. i challenged him because i thought his language was harsh about bing capital, using vulture capitalism and ethics thrown out the door. i would agree with your analysis. i think that was adopting the language of the left. that is what i would suspect to hear from barack obama or occupy wall street. newt is saying the governor's record, whether he created 100,000 jobs is fair game. do you agree with that? >> with all due respect to

mr. gingrich, no. >> sean: why is it not fair? >> i think you have to understand, i come from a business background. i know when times are tough, we have to make hard decisions. we never want to let people go. when times are good we love to hire people. anybody in small business, anybody in big business knows you do everything you can to, one, make sure the business is surviving and two make sure that people prosper. >> sean: he was saying governor romney net 100,000 jobs created. some businesses lost jobs and gained jobs. staples is one of them. sports authority is another one. i think this is capitalism. that is my argument. bigger argument that is being made, do you think, you were a favorite of the tea party, is the reason you are supporting governor romney is because you believe is the most conservative in if he can win?

why? >> the reason is because i need a partner in the white house. i will tell you the hardest part about my job has been the federal government. i had a straight up conversation with governor romney. we can't have healthcare mandates in our state. he said day one i will repeal obamacare and give a waiver to any state that wants it. we have passed illegal immigration reform bill. we have passed a voter i.d. bill and said if you have to show a picture i.d. to buy food and picture on airplane you should have to show a picture to vote. i asked governor romney what he would do, as a governor i know how important it is to make laws for your state, to be able to do things that are right for your own state. this is one person that has 25 years in the private sector. we need that. he is a man that took a say on the olympics and made it a

source of pride. he showed true leadership and management ability. >> sean: one last question. >> he cut taxes 19 times and balanced his budget with an 85% democratic legislature. >> sean: last question, polls are lot tighter than new hampshire and iowa. rasmussen has romney at 27. santorum, 24, gingrich at 18. insider advantage, romney 23, gingrich 21. santorum about 14. a little bit tighter. what is different about south carolina than new hampshire and iowa? >> listen, when i first came out nor governor romney, gingrich was up by 20 points. we get closer, it will go up and down. that is fun part about primary elections. people are voting for that candidates. south carolinians are smart. >> would you consider it?

>> no. >> he says, governor i need you, the country needs you? >> i made a promise to the people of south carolina and i intend to keep it. >> sean: i'll leave it there. thank you for being here. >> i intend to keep it. no cabinet position. what i need partner in the white house, governor romney is going to do that for me. >> sean: thank you so much for being with us. we'll see you at the fox debate. greta. >> greta: and sill think li things about the giants. it comes back. >> sean: i'll take the bet. i'll take the giants. maybe you are jets fan, how much do you want to bet? >> greta: i'll think about it. how much you got? >> sean: i would say $10,000 but it once got a politician in trouble.

it's a joke. it's got to be something fun that we'll do on the air. >> greta: we'll think about it. maybe losers will wear a hat for the show. something embarrassing to the other person. great show. governor rick perry has a lot to tell us what is going on in south carolina. i heard you talking with the governor. he is determined to find out how is going to happen. >> sean: back to great, great american panel is coming up next.

>> shep: on great american panel. syndicated radio host. mike gallagher. doun doug schoen and she media personality and ceo of ama and amelia. good to see you. he is trying to get a slot in

all 50 states for an independent to run third party. he so he is going to split the anti-obama vote. >> he is going to put a candidate to take on corrupt system. anyone who steps forward. someone like howard schultz. perot who is was the last independent split evenly. >> number one, it was right for the brand. >> he is though. >> he is. he knows what he is doing. these democrats are devious. they know what they are doing. >> he shouldn't run. has the guts to take on democratic president but i don't think so. >> sean: i never sfuat the argument that ross perot split the votes but this will ensure obama four more years. >> winning the election....

>> you can't win the roo election. >> we can because ross perot led the race for four months, john anderson led the race in 1980. >> we've got about six alternatives that people are going to decide in south carolina. you don't have to come up with something to split the vote. >> i disagree with that. >> sean: i would say mitt romney is a good candidate. i think newt is a good candidate. i think rick santorum is a strong candidate. i think governor perry is much better governor than he is candidate." love him. he would be an infinitely better president than obama. >> voters disagree. the republicans are down. turnout for democrats are up. because the independents are coming up. absolutely. we have more absentee ballots than ever in history.

>> people are focused on this election like never before. this is going to be an historically viewed election. >> he may poison the well. i know you are sincere, i know that, you are going to cause... the grin. >> i talked about devious. >> you have the devious grin on your y are face. >> we can promote things. >> we had change, remember? [ talking over each other ] >> shep: all of these republicans are going to eliminate obamacare. they are going to cut back with spending and deal with entitlements. >> to compromise to $15 trillion in debt. this country is going bankrupt. >> democratic chief of staff with alan simpson push bowls simpson, barack obama didn't support it.

>> sean: last. >> this will be most critical for jobs and the economy. we will split the vote. i'm right. >> we say it all the time this will be the most important election of our lifetime. you don't play games with splitting votes. >> sean: who am i now. don't be careful. more with our great american panel up next. ♪ [ gong ] strawberry banana! [ male announcer ] for a smoothie with real fruit plus veggie nutrition new v8 v-fusion smoothie. could've had a v8. is non-stop to seattle? just carry preparation h totables. discreet, little tubes packed with big relief. from the brand doctors recommend most by name. preparation h totables. the anywhere preparation h. [ inner voice ] establish connection. give me voice control.

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>> sean: great american panel. what frustrates me in this whole process. you know, everybody is big business, evil business, class warfare rhetoric we talked about earlier is sticking. 19% think there is a battle conflict between the rich and poor in this country. but what about the cronyism of obama, the billing access to the white house, $5 trillion in debt. why don't people get angry at government. >> look at the solyndra scandal. this is textbook case of crony capitalism when they defy the market, it bombs. you are right. >> sean: government uses

taxpayer ears... their money is used and go to supporters of the president. they get access to the president. they make their appeal, they get their kickback and they lose taxpayer money. >> it's bad when you have the solyndras and you have bain capital rigging markets through excess loans, take the money out fire the employees. >> sean: i studied bain, it's not only staples. what they do and go out and get investors and they save companies and restructure companies. these companies were going to go bankrupt. in comes financial help. a lot of times and jobs are saved. >> that is turnaround specialist. but what is annoying the small business community, they where they have 500 employees left

they pit us in the same category. do not confuse the ceo of g.e. he has never taken a dollar out of his paycheck and invested in employees. >> sean: you invest in turnarounds? >> turnarounds because i can plug my theme into any company, i get called in 90 days before the doors closed. >> sean: is what is he doing a bad thing. >> i built the business for myself. i sold it and created thousands of jobs enhancement is the american way. that is capitalism, republicans or democrats. when you borrow money, take it out as a dividend, fire people. business goes bankrupt that is rigging just like election. >> some companies can't be saved. >> you mentioned the gordon gecko. we're going to hear that lot. people are saying, newt's claim, if you seen the super pack video

it's devastating. there is capitalism and people perceived pillaging. >> sean: maybe it's the best argument against romney maybe in a general election but it's going to beed is for america if people no longer look at this country as a land of opportunity but a land of redistribution. this president is purposely dividing this country. >> it's going to get worse. >> single handily what they have done to small business is devastating. do you know how many small businesses will not be here at the end of first quarter, thousands because they are handcuffed, we're handcuffed at the banks. we no longer have 1 percenters our communities have raised war against us because they are walking by our businesses and talking to us as the