the factor at o'reilly foxnews.com. the new word is jobation. remember, the spin stops right here because we are always looking out for you. >> the gop field faced off last night in a very heated debate. >> more people have been put on food stamps by barack obama than any president in american history. >> so who came out on top? former governor sarah palin is here with reaction and her predictions for the critical upcoming primary in south carolina. and the blatant obama media bias strikes again. this time calling you dumb if you are a critic of the anointed one. so is the liberal media now

crossed the line? we will debate. >> obama is low-hanging fruit. his record is a disaster, his philosophy is a disaster. >> and a rare appearance. the rare one, mark levin will debut his book. you don't want to miss it. count down to election day continues and hannity starts right here right now. >> with saturday's critical primary in south carolina fast approaching last night fox news channel wall street journal debate was critical for some of the gop pope -- hopefuls. the five debated last night. >> i would go out and say stop it, you are representing me and you are representing my campaign. stop it. >> this is a great example of the insiders that are having a conversation up here, and the fact of the matter is this. washington d.c. needs to leave

the states alone and let the states decide these issues and don't do it from washington d.c. >> my care about getting if into this race is about my belief in america. and my concern with this president is the change in court for america to become something we wouldn't recognize. i think he's drawing us into something becoming more like a european social welfare state. >> you don't understand there's a difference between military spending and defense spending. just because you spend -- spend a billion dollars on an embassy in baghdad, bigger than the vatican, you consider that defense spending. i consider that waste. >> i believe every american of every background has been endowed bay their creator with the right to pursue happiness and if that makes liberals unhappy i'm going to continue to help poor people learn how to get a job, learn how to get a better job and learn some day to own the job. >> with voters in south carolina be persuade by what they have

heard? joining me is governor sarah palin welcome back. >> that is a good reflection of these guys last night. great debaters showing up and all of them seemed to be loaded for bear or moose or whatever. it was a great debate. >> i thought by far the best debate of all the debates. maybe it was because they all had a little bit more time. i liked the fact the interaction with the crowd was amazing, it was electric in that room. do you have a feeling? who do you think did best in the debate? what did you see about the candidates, what did you learn last night that you didn't know before? >> first rick perry, you know, he showed up having seemed to have been able to partake in some of that same as texas chile dr. pepper too from his state. he was on fire with some of the segments he participated in. he was a true patriot and i was so proud of him and he should be proud of his debate performance. and santorum too, he had an

opponent up on the ropes and that's what you have to do too in order to get to the truth, get to the foundation of some of the ideas and believes that are being espoused by candidates. but i do think that newt is the one that won the debate, if you will. because newt came out just like south carolina own smoking joe fraser. he came out swinging, talking about work and jobs and work ethic and how government needs to get out of the way in order for all americans to have a sense of opportunity to work. and i think that's what a lot of voters have have craving to her. >> we talked about your husband going rogue. you haven't gone rogue, haven't given an endorsement. are you getting any closer to giving an endorsement? >> i can tell you what i would do if i were south carolinian. each caucus is different.

i want to see it continue because eastern sharpens iron. these guys are getting better in their debates, they are getting more concise, they are get morgue grounded in what their beliefs are and articulating what their ideas are forgetting america back on the right track and getting americans working again. if i had to vote in order to keep it going i would vote for newt and i would want it to continue more debates, more vetting of candidates because we know the mistake made in our country four years ago with having a candidate that was not vetted, to the degree that he should have been so that we knew what his associations and his pals represented and what went into his thinking. the shaping of who our president today is. that vetting did not take place. i want to see that taking place this time because it is that important. we need this process to continue. >> let me then ask, do you buy into the narrative that this is romney-nonromney? so many people have spoken about

it so often. do you think governor perry, senator santorum and former speaker gingrich are battling the more conservative vote in the party? do you agree with that analysis? >> well, you know, the mouth is what it is. you can't argue with the numbers. the numbers seem to show that, yes, conservatives are splitting the vote between those candidates whom you mentioned and the more moderate governor romney. so, yeah, the math is what it is. and at some point here, i don't think it's time yet but at some point here i believe some of the more conservative candidates are going to have to decide are they going to take one for the team? are they going to step aside and pursue via one single conservative candidate, that nomination as they go up against the front runner today? >> so one person you haven't mentioned tonight is governor romney. there are questions about what the final vote tally will be from the iowa caucus.

we should know soon. we know he won new hampshire by a pretty significant margin. he is leading, has a lead in south carolina and a lead in florida, the next two states. so you say maybe of a south carolina that there's going to -- that two of the three, quote, more conservative can dates are going to have to step aside? do you think it has to be that soon? because does it not become inevitable? would you be against governor romney being the nominee? >> i think a lot of people now in the media and certainly on the left want to make voters believe that it is inevitable that today's frontrunner, who has all the campaign cash in order to run these ads and as, you know, strong super pacs that have a lot of money to run a lot of negative ads against opponents, they want us to believe the more moderate can indicate will be the one to face obama in the fall. but i don't believe it is inevitable and i don't believe he with the most money actually

has to be the one who wins. so i don't know if right of a south carolina if that's the right timing yet. and, sean, the right timing yet for somebody to drop out or a couple people to drop out and coless around the more conservative candidate in order to very starkly contrast themselves in their ideas and experience begins barack obama. but, sean, no, i have said, as i believe you have said from the beginning, anybody but obama. we know that any of these gop candidates are so much better and more experienced and grounded in what our constitution represents and how we are supposed to be using our constitution. not changing it, using it at our blueprint to progress this nation. any of them would be better than obama. >> can i ask you then if you were in south carolina you would vote for newt gingrich. that would be on saturday. you want the process to continue. you want the vetting to continue u want to see these candidates pushing each other. would that mean you would be

leaning towards endorsing, like your husband, newt gingrich, if you had to choose today is that who you are leaning towards? >> you know i want that process to ten because with the front runner and with all the candidates there are still too many questions. we have to have these questions answered right now. and that has to do with their business dealings. that has to do with their experience while they served in office because all of them have a record, unlike barack obama not having a record when he was elected. now, of course, he does and now, of course, we get to unagainst his record that was so harmful to our nation. i want the process to continue because answers need to be given to american voters today instead of some october, early november surprises that you know the democrats are just dying to be able to throw out there on whomever it is who wins the nomination on the gop ticket. we need to make sure that the front runner and all others have everything out there in open, as transparent as possible in order to let the voters be prepared for what's coming. make up our minds whether we

believe that maybe an issue or two that they have that could cause some problems is paramount and would prohibit them being the best person to help lead our nation. >> all right. governor palin, stay there. we will continue more and talk about the term that was used by newt gingrich in the debate that has created a bit of a controversy. is barack obama the food stamps president, plus the obama many yeah, they are at it again. the cover of news week is asking why are obama's critics so dumb? you can't even make this stuff up. right on the cover. and a rare television appearance in studio, mark levin. we will get his take on the debates and we will talk about his brand new book, what he calls the unmaking of [ drew ] what's the latest in eye couture? intense shadowblast from covergirl. the news? it's eye shadow with primer built-in. fadeproof, waterproof, totally ignore-proof! oh yes! intense shadowblast from easy, breezy, beautiful covergirl.

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>> as we continue on "hannity" and we continue with fox news contributor sarah palin. governor, it seems the white house is sensitive about the food stamps president. the new york times basically accusing newt of practicing racial politics. others made the claim, let me remind everybody the exchange that took place at the fox debate in myrtle beach. juan williams, newt gingrich. here's a part of it. >> why you refer to president obama as the food stamps president? it sounds as if you are seeking to be little people.

>> the fact is that more people have been put on food stamps by barack obama than any president in american history. [applause] >> now i know among the politically correct you are not supposed to use facts that are uncomfortable. second, you are the one who earlier raised the key point. the area that ought to be i-73 was called by barack obama a corridor of shame because of unemployment. has it improved in three years? no. they haven't built the road, they haven't help the people, they haven't done anything. >> what's your reaction to that? i mean factually he's right. how do people jump from there stating a fact, more people on food stamps as a result of obama's policies? he hasn't fixed the problem of poverty or unemployment and we have nothing to show for it, and you say it and sometimes that turns into something racial in the minds of some people. it's over the line in the minds of others. what do you make of that?

>> yes. this white house on this issue, as with so many other issues, they protest too much because the facts are what they are and that's hundreds of thousands are more americans are now on food stamps than before barack obama too over. man was created to work. when the american public believes that they don't have opportunity for jobs because they see things like president obama thwarting the idea that the project of the keystone pipeline and other natural resource development projects that we are on the cusp of but he won't allow it to happen. people have this percent mistake sense. and it leads to security threats and a whole lot of other things that government spends a lot of money on after the fact trying to cure instead of the government getting out of the way, allowing the entrepreneurial spirit to rise

and allow people to work. and allow government to be out of the way and not be so overburred so they can grow their businesses and hire more people. when that doesn't happen then, yeah, people have to unfortunately look to government to help them out it seems because that's what the numbers so us and that's why more people are on food stamps. more people are look for government assistance. it's a conflict of visions that we have here. the gop versus what obama and his white house represent. whether it's going to be government being the answer or, no, individual initiative and what america was built on being the answer. >> what have we gotten for the president taking a sledgehammer to every kid's piggy bank and spending $5 trillion? i did the math the other day. i mean, if you look at population 310 million people and you take five or six trillion dollars and you disburse it among people and take out the people that don't need it, you are dealing with

real money, and to every man, woman and child in the bottom 50%. what do we have for this money? it's amazing. when you say your policy aren't working, more people on food stamps, that's over the line. pretty amazing. >> heaven forbid you bring out a fact like that and you shed light on more people are on food stamps than before. that is why this election is so important, sean. people feel like government is riding on our backs right now. only way that the government can ride your back is if it's bent. we need to stand up with strong titanium spines, as michele bachmann used to talk about, and we need to say no more. we know what works. we know the time-tested truths about free markets and free men and women who are able to get out there and do what they do best with their work ethic that they have been created with. this is that conflict of visions that it is coming down to and that is why i do not say it is inevitable that the gop ticket

is already locked up right now with a frontrunner. i want to see it ten because i want more ideas and more ideas debated so we can bring the best person forward in order to counter that liberal leftist, socialist idea of barack obama's that big, centralized government is the answer. >> last question. you had an admonition in a prior interview for the republican party that they better be careful about ron paul. and respectful to ron paul. now i've talked about areas where i agree with him. i would love to cut a trillion dollars immediately. his comments on the fed. i think he's been an advocate for smaller government for a long time. but last night he talks about our endless becoming of countries is the reason why they are mad at us. he's talked in the past about capturing bin laden in, trying bin laden in, it was wrong to get bin laden in the way we did. it just, as a conservative, this message sounds more like dennis

kosenitch to me or obama. whatever you say, noninterventionist, whatever phrase you want to use. when you hear him on foreign policy, what is your reaction then? >> when i hear him on foreign policy, i know there's no way in heck that america could afford to have his for yen policy ideas lead our nation. no, it would be a dangerous state that we would be in if we were to believe that america needs to apologize for what it is as we get out there in the world and try to help per pep at any rate this idea of freedom that man was created to have within all of us. so, no. and when i talk about not more ginnallizing ron paul's supporters and it is because i know these supporters and these are good people. they don't necessarily agree with his foreign policy ideas

but they agree like you that we need to cut a trial dollars off the budget or we are going under. they know ron paul has some austerity ideas had it comes to the economy and auditing the fed and getting rid of some departments and allowing the tenth amendment to rise again and allowing states to have more rights. ron paul represents some good things in that arena. foreign policy, no, don't agree with. >> governor, always great to see you. i think you made a little news tonight. thank you for being with us. we appreciate your time. >> thank you so much, sean. >> coming up, news week's latest issue is asking why president obama's critics are, quote, so dumb. later on, a rare studio appearance, the great one, marlin. mark levin. mark levin. we will talk about his new i'd race down that hill without a helmet.

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>> it is causing quite a stir. latest controversial cover of "news week magazine "that calls the president detractors student. bluntly left-leaning headlines reads "why are obama's critics so dumb?" it's written by a conservative minded independent.

the article quotes the attacks from both the right and the left and the man and his policies aren't out of bounds, they are simply impurecally wrong given the enormity of what he inherited and what he implicitly promised, it remains the fact that obama has delivered in the way that the hinged right and the purist left have yet to understand or absorb. their short term out bursts has missed obama ma's long game, and why his re-election remains, in my view, as the essential for this country's future as his original election in 2008. and joining me is a fox news contributor. to say he's a conservative, voted for obama in the first place, he's a conservative? no, he's not. he hasn't been for a long time. >> everybody watching should read this piece. it should be in a time capsule. this is a product of hysteria. it's so repulsive, it's such a

relentless suck-up. it's thrown sniffing. it's disgusting, this piece. this is a man truly who can't see straight he so loves barack obama. >> what do you think about news week magazine? >> at some point they had credibility. they seem to be losing it now s that not partisan in your view? >> no. how many times has news week being mentioned today, how many people didn't know who andrew sullivan is and do now and how many people are going to read it and how many conservative writers and bloggers basically are writing about it? so who is dumb. >> but it's emblematic of a larger problem, the press subbing up to barack obama. the economy isn't so bad. i don't know what they are fining so i resistible. they have subverted the basic mission of journalism in my view, which is to tell the truth. this piece defendants obama

without mentioning the debt. the debt is as big as the economy. it's out of control. you wouldn't know it readying the piece. >> he said about george bush back in july of 2008 it's irresponsible and unpit to be that bush in 4 years accumulated all the debt. well, obama has $5 trillion in three years. what have we gotten? would we be better to divvy up that money and give it the poorest percentage of americans, wouldn't that be better some. >> well, if john mccain were president do you think wield be looking at a 5% unemployment rate we would have no deficit? no. some of it is cyclical. >> but you can also make things worse and it reminds me a lot of japan and the lost decade. they use one similar plus after another stimulus and more government intervention and you don't get anything for it. >> albeit slowly.

>> albeit slowly. >> 99, of unemployment, then we don't count you and you can get an associate's degree. the essential challenge for any president serve the right now is the debt. it's entitlement spending and medicare spending. we had a bipartisan commission that they totally ignored their recommendations. what has this president promised an adult administration that makes the difficult choices on behalf of america? what difficult choices have they made? he banderred to them from day one. we are out of money. >> how many democrats have said in our lifetime have said to republicans here's $4 trillion in cuts and the republicans say no, we will settle for half. >> let's go back to last night's debate. do you have a problem calling barack obama the food stamps president? >> i'm not surprised. >> i think he's the food stamps president. we haven't had this many people on food stamps in the history of the country. >> but this isn't because of president obama, this is because of the economy we are in. >> can you give me a date when

he starts being responsible for the economy? at what point do we get to say it's barack obama's fault? is it five years down the road? >> wait a minute, sean. if it is truly -- we were talking about this and personal responsibility. if it is truly barack obama's fault that everybody is on food stamps then we need to blame all the rich ceos that no one wants to tax in the employment sector. >> what about the racist, asking people to be -- were you ever a janitor? i used to wash dishes by hand. >> i was a dishwasher. i hated it but i was in a restaurant. >> it's an awful way to make a livingism can say that from firsthand experience burning was it a good experience. >> it was a great experience. my parents made me, i had no choice. but the point is calling someone a racist, 99% of the time it's a way of avoiding an actual argument. it's saying i don't want to contend with the points you are making. i don't want to engage you on a logical adult level. i'm just going to dismiss you. >> isn't it fair the food stamps president, is that fair? >> i thought gingrich did a

pretty gate job describing last night why he said it. and more people have joined the food stamps program under obama has been any other president. >> last question, we have to run. should romney release his taxes? is that a problem. >> of course he should. what is the delay? why wait until april? why not release them tomorrow? what's the point. >> because he probably wants to do it if he wins the nomination in the general election, not the primary. he probably thinks it would hurt him in the primary and he will be better dealing with it in april and then ab nonissue by november. >> but having the numbers right there right now, the american people will see how high and how elite he is of the elite. >> you should be able to defend your own tax return. i have no reason to believe there's anything wrong about his tax return. i this he's making a story by not. rehe's it tomorrow. two days of, oh, my gosh, what's this, and then it's over. >> at least he's done deals. think of it this way, brawl's biggest deal was the corrupt land deal. >> that was a good deal.

if i can get a lot next to my house basically for free? >> you might go to jail. never know. unless you have connections in chicago. you never know. >> good. >> when we come back. the rare, mark levin is here. we will talk about last night's debate and his brand new back. has america shredded the has america shredded the constitution already? capital one's new cash rewards card gives you a 50 percent annual bonus. so you earn 50 percent more cash. if you're not satisfied with 50% more cash, send it back! i'll be right here, waiting for it. who wouldn't want more cash? [ insects chirping ] i'll take it. i'll make it rain up in here. [ male announcer ] the new capital one cash rewards card. the card for people who want 50% more cash. what's in your wallet? sorry i'll clean this up. shouldn't have made it rain. and get a cold... ...you need a cold medicine with a heart. only coricidin hbp has a heart, right here.

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>> welcome back. in his brand new back, just out today, ameritopia, mark levin explains that all throughout history tyranny has originated from a utopian society that can never exist. he argues that americans are traditionally dependent and explains how the battle between centralized government and individual freedom is being played out more than ever right here in american society. now joining me to discuss his brand new book, the gop race and much more, the man himself, nationally syndicated radio talk

show host, i call him the great one. hello, great one! >> have you lost weight, by the way? >> yeah, i did. do i look better? >> you look a little thin to me. >> this is a little inside joke. i'm trying to get you out of your bunker for years -- >> congratulations. >> you are impossible to get out and get on tv. >> i like being in the bunker. i like being home. what is so bad about that? >> no, but your fans love to see you. i had to start a petition on your radio show when i was a guest to get your audience to call in and get you out of there. well, first of all, why don't we get your thoughts, before we get into this book. this book, i will argue, is going to be a classic. that one day some society will look at this and make it a foundation. that powerful. >> when we are dead and gone. >> when we are dead and gone. a long time from now hopefully. look at this race. see what is happening in south carolina. we watched iowa and new hampshire. you saw the debate last night.

what is your take on the race and do you buy into the argument that it will be really difficult to beat obama? >> a couple of things. you know what concerned me about that debate last night? mitt romney. mitt romney stumbled a lot and he's been running for president since james buchanan. and at this point he should be able to answer these things like this about his income taxes, about any of it. so he's not the inevitable anything that the republican establishment tell us he is. and the fact is, if he turns out to be the nominee, i'm going to support him, but there are other conservatives in this race who i think deserve a first look by a lot of people, let alone a second look. newt gingrich had a hell of a debate. santorum had a hell of a debate. perry was good i thought too. >> i thought barry had his best debate showing to date. you know, it's sad because if he would have come out of the box like -- >> we have plenty of time. let me be clear. we have in many states

proportional delegates. >> proportional distribution. >> florida lost half its delegates because it jumped the line and then we have florida or nevada and then a month break. i don't know why we have to decide this in florida. who says? why should we? >> look at the history of this. no modern day incumbent has won iowa, new hampshire. we might get different results in iowa now. and if he would win south carolina, we don't know what's going to happen in south carolina. >> you know what it means? -- >> no one has won the presidency without south carolina. >> nothing. >> you don't think is means anything? >> when you win by 8 votes, gerald ford won iowa and new hampshire and lost the presidency. why does any of this matter? >> let me dovetail this into the book. without getting into all the details right now, you actually make the case in this book that we live in a post constitutional

america. you have a whole chapter on that. what does that mean? >> it means that much of what the federal government is not authorized by the constitution. now, when you say that, you get political responses like, oh, you want to do away with this and you want to do away with that? i'm not talking about that. i'm saying much of what goes on in the federal government -- although i would like to do a way with much in the federal government, but much has nothing to do with the constitution whatsoever. this was a real scheme matched by a number of leftists a number of years ago. and you know them. woodward wilson. he didn't make any bones about his contempt for the constitution. woodward wilson said in his speech before he became president that the government is like a body. you can't have one organ working against the other. in other words, you can't have separation of powers. so he spent his presidency, as did subsequent democrats, trying to evade the constitution or

rewrite it. fdr did the same thing. fdr attacked the constitution. and one who works for the white house said' powerful centralized government, exactly what the framers of the constitution rejected. >> you talk about the sub title, the making of america. you end the book with this question. so my fellow countrymen, what do you choose, ameritopia or america? is america that close of a cross-roads that the america that we grew up knowing, loving, cherishing, the one that talked about the individual and freedom and responsibility is likely gone? >> ameritopia is here. the question is how far are we going to go with this? we are not a truly constitutional republic anymore. the states have no limited power. but yet it was the other way around. we aren't a representative republic reallily in the true sense any more.

we have hundreds of thousands and several million bureaucrats who are making laws and issuing them every day. 80,000 pages every year. that's not a representative republic. so what are we? we are a nation that has heavy centralized you power. it's getting more centralized by the day. every so-called reform is said to require more government, more bureaucracy, more taxation in pursuit of what? >> you quote reagan, you know, the freedoms just one general away from extinction. you quote benjamin franklin. benjamin grave lin after the constitutional convention was wrapping up actually predicted that this experiment would end. >> for a time. he said, and i paraphrase, the american people will follow this constitution for a time. but then i'm paraphrasing, they will determine whether they want to live free or they want to live in adespotism. can i have i have the football please? >> yeah. we did something, the way you set the book one up.

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des. >> as we continue with mark levin and his brand new book, ameritopia. you do something amazing in this book. you break it into three parts. and you start out with utopiaism, and you do all the hard work and you talk about plato, thomas moore, thomas hobbs, you talk about karl marx, and you explain, you pulled out of their works the relevant portions that really are relevant to today's society and how there's always been an underlying philosophy there can be this great utopia.

explain this. >> well, what is it that animates people that attracts them to a philosophy that destroys them. these massive promises of a paradise of equality, of wealth creation. if you will only surrender more of your liberties and surrender nor of your private property, in other words, surrender your humanity to basically a handful of master minds. and you have to ask yourselves where do the master minds get their information from? how can you become a community rebel rouser and you can't? they have to persuade people. reason i use the great philosophers, even though the works they wrote are horrific, the reason issues them, take plato. he creates a cast systems. he tries it twice and fails.

trey thompkins mass moore. he creates utopia and in vents the word, what is it? it's the precurser to communism. trey thompkins mass hobbs. what does he create, among other things, an all powerful sovereign and the rest of the people are subjects. and then you have the worker's paradise. you said this to me before, i got the book back in early november and read is twice, and literally there are very few books i read every sentence, we could spend ten minutes on. we will only have time for a broad overview. maybe isn't it appealing to people because there's the sense of, don't worry, we will take care of you. the caretaker state. there's a sense of relief that somebody else will do it. is that part of the appeal of it? >> it is. people want a heaven on earth. people want to be told they can get something nor nothing. it's very complicated. we have people in this society

who are malcontents, who have concluded that they aren't the problem but society is the problem and they demand society should change. we have other people in the society that have benefited enormously from liberty and property rights but yet they go along with it because they want to be part of it. >> but then you look on the other side of this, part two, americannism. you look at guys like john lock and the influence he had on our founders. and the influence on our framers. you extract all of the relevant writings and teachings of these guys. lock had a huge impact philosophically on our founders. montescue, the whole issue of three branches of government. so you really tie it together. this eye delogical war, how is it relevant to what we are seeing debated today? >> it's totally relevant which is why i wrote the book and did it the way we did it. the founders didn't wake up one day and say, you know what, i

believe in natural law, i believe in individual sovereignty. i believe in divided branches. i believe in sovereign government. we have been the targets of such a dumbing-down process by the media, by the politicians, that i feel it's time to re-educate ourselves. where is the american spirit? what is the heritage? and if we don't discuss what undergirds the declaration, the constitution, and on the other hand what obama is did, what fdr did and wilson, what they did is tyranny of hundreds of thousands of years old and these things need to be explained. >> it's fascinating because i read the excerpts you pull from plato and hobbs and karl marx and it sounds like the modern democratic party. when i listen to really smart conservatives that really understand limited government, the individual, individualism, you know, i hear locke, i hear the people that you quote on the other side of it.

so it seems extraordinary relevant. there was a funny line in it. our friend jenne wrote it in a review of your book, we are smart enough to pick our own leaders but we aren't smart enough to pick our own light bulb. >> that's in the book. >> or put salt on the table if you go to a restaurant in new york. >> what people need to understand, locke, hobbs, jefferson, many others talk about the fact you be can elect your own tyrants. >> i always wondered about that. >> and you can have a congress of tyrants and people pile law upon law and created miff states that operate on their own. you keep electing them but they keep empowering themselves. >> all right. what is the future of america and how important is this election, and which america will we ultimately decide that we are going to go down which road? we will continue with the great one. do you want to throw this out? >> sure. where do i throw it? >> throw it over there. >> throw it over there. >> you know where you

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>> as we continue on "hannity" with the great one, we call you. author of the brand new book, just out today, ameritopia, the making of america. >> i was going to write a book on liberalism, called

ameridopis. >> so you have the utopiaism and americaism. one believes in the individual, one believes in freedom and one believes the state should run basically everything. explain what is at stake in this election from your perspective as you went through and studied for over a year, all these fill loss first with all of their writings. and how do you see this is relevant to this election? >> well, it's relevant to this election because the only thing that really stands between us and this ultimate tyranny is the people. it's not the politicians, it's us. we have to decide how we want to live. this is our country, this is our government. and we are -- we've been given a blessed gift, liberty. a magnificent declaration of dependence. the constitution. that is under constant assault

by these figures because these are the obstacles to their power. obama even talks about it. you know what, senate, you are in recess, i'm making these appointments. and i am going to appoint a czar. i like this law, i don't like part of it. and look how casually we accept these things as a society. >> you talk about this. you talk about the gradualism. this isn't happening by revolution. >> no. >> it's not one day. you say gradualism is the morale equivalent of soft tyranny. you describe it in the book. >> yeah, we get into this. democracy in america is actually two books, one in 1835 and one in 1840. what i try to do is so i don't scare them away. these are heavy topics i try to put in plain english and relate it to modern day. in europe, this is way back one, in europe the administrative state is involved in everything. in america it's there but it's

innocuous. while we are transitioning, i would ask the people who are watching this program, not what doesn't the government -- what does the government regulate, what doesn't the government regulate? look around your homes and so forth. the question is this: since we are so -- since congress thinks it can pass laws compelling us to purchase things, since the epa thinks it can consider a regulation regulating dust, and i can go on and on, regulating toilets and open your medicine cabinet, it's investigated. look around your kitchen, it's all investigated. get is where does it end? i can show our opponents the constitution. what can they show me? nothing. because the constant push for control over the individual and the stealing of the individual's labor. >> yeah. >> you know, you do the heavy lifting. most people don't have the time to really study plato and hobbs and moore and karl marx or, on the other hand, locke on