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better candidate. i say giants myself. >> i have no idea. >> pick the giants. with tom brady. >> the patriots. i love tom brady. >> i do. >> sean: that all the time we have left. thanks for being with us and we'll see you tomorrow night. >> greta: tonight, put on the body armor, political attacks are getting more vicious. the florida primary is coming up quickly and not one candidate is crying uncle. they are hitting the campaign trail and hitting each other harder. take a look at some of the punches the candidates and supporters are throwing. >> do you think gingrich will embarrass the party? >> i think he has embarrassed the party. whether he'll do it in the future, i don't know. >> this is baloney. usually it's pious baloney but
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it's desperate. we moved from that. >> so i have had the leadership. speaker gingrich was leader for four years as speaker of the house. at the end of four years, it was proven he has with a failed leader and he had to resign in disgrace. >> i've been told by a variety of people that governor romney has been saying unkind things. >> well, if you believe that line, that newt gingrich is the inside they're will shake things up in washington, i guess you believe that bill clinton didn't inhale. >> if you have been campaigning for six years and you begin to see it slip away, you get desperate. when you get desperate and you say almost anything. >> i don't know newt, but there wasn't enough money to ask that question. >> who do you target?
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gingrich, romney, santorum that you have to convince the voters of florida that you are better a candidate? >> from my viewpoint, i can't separate the three of them. >> greta: tea party leader jim demint endorsed romney in 2008 but not this year. so what happened? jim demint, author, spoke to us. senator, nice to see you. >> good to be you. >> greta: in 2008 you endorsed romney for president. this year you are not endorsed anyone. why are you endorsing governor romney this time? >> it's a different race. different issues and i like things about all of our candidates. greta, i'm keying my focus on senate conservatives. it doesn't matter who is president. if we have the same senate as we do today we're going to push this country off a cliff.
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>> greta: in terms of the group of four who are currently slated to be one of your nominees, who is the most conservative? >> i think they espousing conservative principles in various ways. i'm not sure it will come down to the differences on issues who is most conservative. i think what we saw last week in south carolina is republicans particularly looking for a president they know will take it to media when they are not telling the truth. they will take it to obama when he is trying to manage our economy and run us into the ground. we want a fighter as president. that is what they want in senate candidates, too. i think they will do the job but we need someone that going to stand up. i think a lot of us believe this could be the last chance to turn our country around. we have to have a president who not only has conservative principles, but knows how to get them done. >> greta: in terms of taking to the media, first thing, who you
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may favor, i think it's pretty clear that speaker gingrich is taking us in the media to the woodshed. would you agree with that? >> i would. that doesn't mean the other three can't do it. i think it's important that these candidates tell the truth about republicans and when we had the majority, we didn't do what we said we were going to do. we spent too much. we have to vince americans we're going to do what we say and candidates need to get the truth out on the table so people believe us. i think the candidates have it in them to take it to the media, but we saw from last week we saw it from gingrich, will we site from romney? from is santorum in we've seen it from ron paul all along the way. one of the things that newt did, he started recognizing monetary policy was one of big issue.
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he took it from ron paul. it helped newt. it probably diminished ron paul a little bit. >> greta: you say they all talk about it. do any of four or who of the four, i should say, has the production record that supports your conservative values? >> i know i you are trying to favor one of them. >> greta: no, i'm trying to isolate who is most in line with senator jim demint? >> if i could put together a package of the four of them, could give you are one perfect candidate, but we don't have one. so all of them have great things about them. some of them have things they have done that i disagree with. they will all be good president. if we have a good congress and senate. i want to conserve the majority in the senate because the president doesn't write the budgets, we do.
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the legislation is going to come out of the congress. i think you are going to see this change. i don't like the negative attacks now that are going on. i criticize newt a few weeks ago when he was going after romney for bain capital. i'm criticizing newt this week, excuse me, mitt for going after newt in a very negative way. we want to see the vision that these candidates have. we want to hear the passion. we want to know they are willing to fight for what has to be done. >> greta: who is the least imperfect, you said there is no perfect one. let me turn to another issue: governor romney says he is going to release his tax returns. should the candidates to have produce their tax returns now? do you think that is wise thing? secondly, is one year enough to get a picture of someone's tax return, or should each candidate produce three, for example?
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>> i think the financial disclosure that we all have to release tells people what we own stocks that might be subject to some of the decisions. those are important for people to know those things. the tax returns, the irs determines whether those are legal, i frankly don't care but it's a precedent that was set by mitt romney's father. mitt either should have said i'm going to do it or i'm going to do it now. to be indecisive about it is what caused his problems. >> greta: i take from what you say he should release them. speaker gingrich released only one year. should the candidates if they are going to release anything, not just a simple snapshot of one year, give us three years to get a better picture of the financials? >> a good question, because one year can have a lot of things.
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if we really want to go down that road, i don't any we need to. once you release tax returns, people demand you do it for five or ten years or seven years. i think it's another deterrent to get good people in the race because people can look at your tax return and make all kinds of accusations that are not relevant. again, we've gone down that road. one year is not going to tell you that much. goink going to do it, you should release three to five years. >> greta: thank you, sir. your state kept us busy last week. 15.8%, do you have any idea what that number means. that is last month's unemployment rate in african-american community. that almost twice the national average. alan west hosted the conservative black forum. good evening sir. >> how are you doing. >> greta: very well.
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that unemployment rate is unacceptable. what can you do about it? let me ask you a second question which is why do so many african-americans, why are they not member of your party? >> i think one of the things we have to do, we have to do a better job of communicating how conservative principles are aligned with the black community. those values. as a matter of fact, j.c. wattz said, there are people that share our values and they stand with us on values, but they don't vote with us. so we've got to do a better job of communicating those conservative principles and why they can help to eradicate that number of 15.8% unemployment. we talked about those urban areas, going back to jack kemp, something that laffer talked about, because america can't be
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greater than the sum of its parts. >> greta: in terms of those conservative principles, 15.8% and bring it down to a much more reasonable number, even humane number, which of the four candidates that are running truly has those principles best to address that particular problem do you think? >> i will give speaker gingrich some credit, even though folks on the left side are trying to turn it into a race issue -- he has recognized that issue as far as the amount of people that have been put on food stamps. the level of poverty, and also focusing on trying to have a dialogue with the african-american community. he has offered to go and speak for the naacp how we can get an economic revival and get small business growth within the black community. >> greta: race dating? >> race, they use it as an issue
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they tried to draw attention congressman clyburn and speaker gingrich was speaking in some secret race code, trying to draw attention to something that does not exist. i think you saw in the 2008 election when people were put back on their heels of asking anything of barack obama when he should have been vetted just like anybody else. >> greta: reverend sharpton but congressman clyburn, 40 theologian leaders, wanting them to oat perpetuating ugly stereotypes, are they wrong or the candidates doing that? >> i would ask those people if their values are rooted in christian principles or values are rooted in liberalism.
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i don't see anything as far as being racially motivated. let's speak about the fact. that is what we have to be dufg here. you and i talked about this last week, we can't have a situation in the united states of america where you believe that only certain people of certain skin color can talk about a certain issue. >> greta: in terms of getting the message out, in last election, many elections before that, the african-american vote is 95, 97%. democratic. how do you intend to get your message out that has not been recent i have to the republican party? >> the fact that you and i are talking about it right now. we had four major, two at the conservative black forum. it was covered entirely by c-span. cnn was in, black entertainment television was there. 33% of the black community identify themselves as being
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conservative. as congressman watsgs said they share the values but not voting with us. >> greta: and the african-american vote in your state, to the extent it's going republican in florida, which are the four candidates is most likely get that vote? >> i would not dare look into a crystal ball on that. in the state of florida you have a black female lieutenant governor. you have myself the first black congress member on the republican side since 1876, i believe. so i think we have historical connection. i the fact i can be a role model and talk about the conservative values of limited government and how we can stand up for those hard working taxpayers and families in every community. that is how we are going to make that connection. >> greta: thank you, sir. >> now to fo a blistering topic.
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state of the union address, it is tomorrow but already capitol hill is almost on fire about it. of course, it's an election year. president's approval rating are grim and he is expected to higher taxes on the rich. here is what john boehner told fox news. >> i would rather, it sounds to me like the same old policies we've seen. more spending, higher taxes, more regulations. the same policies that haven't helped our economy and made it worse. if that is what is the president is going to talk about tuesday night, i think it's pathetic. >> greta: one congressman, announced he will not attend the state of the union. congressman lamburn joins us. >> greta: the countries from time to time report the state of the union but you won't go.
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why? >> unfortunately the president, i like him personally and i respect him, he is going to be talking about the policies that he promoting that i is taking our knoong the wrong direction. as matter of conscience i will not be there. i protesting he will be talking about policies that are leading us in the wrong path. look at the last three weeks, keystone pipeline, defense cuts and unconstitutional appointments to the national labor relations board. i can't be a part of that. >> greta: from time to time, but to listen and not necessarily agree. president bush, those that might have been opposed to the war in the democratic party they attended out of respect. it's an annual thing where we offer a sit down and listen, not necessarily agree but listen. i'm curious i think what the
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message you actually see. >> i can't speak for anyone else. i have not spoken to anyone else about this. it's strictly a matter of me and my conscience. i will listen to what he says. i will not be doing it in person. >> greta: have you spoken to the speaker but the speaker you are not going to go? >> no, i have not told the leadership, frankly, if they discourage me, i would still do what i feel i have to do. >> greta: have your constituents said anything? >> i am hearing both sides. some supporters of the president don't like what i'm doing. others say they think sit in a dog and pony show. those are not my words. i'm hearing all kinds of perspectives. >> greta: one the of the could you remember yoingsous things,
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couple members republicans and democrats sit together. do you have any thought on that? >> i did that last year. although, it was purely symbolic. i don't think it led to any substantive difference. i think it's purely symbolism. >> greta: what if all the members of congress didn't snow up? >> i don't think that is going to happen. >> greta: what would happen? >> greta, i'm just doing this for myself and my conscience. i can't imagine that happening. i don't know how to answer that question. >> greta: congressman, thank you sir. >> greta: how did they get away with this? federal workers owe more than a billion dollars in unpaid taxes for 2010. think about it. we pay taxes to pay their salaries yet they don't pay their taxes on their salaries we
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>> greta: are you sitting down for this one? you need to. for the year 2010, federal workers owe more than a billion dollars in unpaid taxes. federal workers owe for the year 2010 one billion in unpaid taxes. you know they won't get fired for not paying their taxes, meanwhile, you are paying taxes to pay their salaries. 98,000 delinquent federal employees so how can this be allowed to go on? ed, i saw your story first thing this morning and i am still angry about it. first of all, let's identify, give me some examples of some government employees who owe taxes. >> there are about 600 on capitol hill. you've got a few thousands who work like places like pentagon,
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housing and urban development and department of education. handful of people u.s. tax courts and social security administration and handful that work for the irs. 98,000 people. postal workers, agencies, work on capitol hill few thousands of millions of americans that didn't pay $114 billion in taxes overall. so billion is a big, but $114 billion is bigger. >> greta: this is just one year. they are not going to lose their jobs. we pay their sarlgs with taxes. how can they possibly get away with this? >> because there is no law that says that they have to. there are two bills on capitol hill one, in the house and senate that would essentially require the federal government to fire people who thumb their nose and don't pay up. severe financial hard
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subpoenaship you can prove it, your bosses agreed you would be allowed to sort that out and keep your job but otherwise if you are not paying your taxes, lawmakers believe it should happen. both of these bills are not going anywhere, they are stuck in committee. they have been through several times in recent years and they don't get passed. >> greta: that is disgraceful. here is one example. in the executive office of the president of the united states there are 36 staffers who owe a combined total of 833,9 open for the year 2010 --833970. >> and four work in the house and 200 or so in senate, combined they owe about ten million. when you add up all the workers of the department navy and air force, they owe about, i think it was north of $200 million in unpaid taxes. it just percolates throughout
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the government. look, it might be your neighbor or someone down the street that doesn't pay. in this case, they are tracked because the irs has done this since 1993. they issue a report every year to the head of these agencies. here are the people who aren't paying up. does the agency do anything about that? we're led to believe they don't but at least they are getting a report who is not paying up. >> greta: this is from your article that has a litany. you are say there are two bills stuck in congress that could help with the program. congressional staff there's went to work in the congress owed in unpaid taxes $10.6 million. so, meanwhile, they need to get their job to get the bill out. it's stunning. ed, thank you, i hope every american will listen to this and write to his or her congressman. do something about this. we pay their taxes. ed, thank you.
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the ship. you know what that could mean and it is not good. it is carrying half a million gallons of heavy fuel. so far the oil in the water does not appear to be heavy fuel from the ship's tank. but fear continues to tomorrow they may pump fuel from the ship tomorrow. experts determined the ship is not at risk of sinking deeper in the sea. that means the search for the missing as they try to pump from the fuel. 17 people is still missing. they found the bodies of two women near the cafe. confirmed dead is 15. stunning offer from costa cruise lines, it will offer a 30% discount on future cruises to survivors of the shipwreck. a united states senator has a run-in with tsa. rand paul says he was detained
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at an airport. white house is defending the tsa. we spoke with senator paul earlier today. you decide. >> so you had a something with the tsa. what happened? >> i've been going to the airport pretty frequently since i was elected. most of the time i don't have any trouble. this morning i went through the screener, machine said there was a hot spot near my knee. i showed them my knee but they wanted to do a pat down exam. i would walk back to the screener. they said no, you get a pat-down or you don't fly. i said i would rather talk to the manager, but nobody there wanted to let me go back to the screener. this is a conversation we've been having with the tsa. i fought hard in the spring to
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have little kids go back through the casinoer, but i thought we were going to apply it to adults. bottom line in order to travel we need to have some dignity. we can have security with dignity but they need to two a better job. >> greta: did you were you detained at any point? >> i was detained. in one of those clear cubicals where they detain you. i was told not to leave the cubicle. in my mind, i felt like i was being detained, i did step out of the cubicle one time to talk to the tsa. i was very forcely told i needed to re-enter. when i went to use my cellphone to call my office because i was supposed to here for a march for life rally on the mall area and tell them i wasn't going to make it, now i used my -- i didn't
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take that very well they were going to punish me for using my phone. >> greta: in a twisted way, i'm happy this happened to you. let me tell you why. many of us travel a lot. there are so many things we need to fix about this system. we need to be secure but there are so many things. you are in a position to fix this. you are experienced, unlike others where the system isn't working perfectly. >> i don't want special treatment. all americans should be able to choose pat down or go back to the scanning machine. several officials told me off the record, that the scanning machine sends a false positive signal that they can randomly patted down people. they finally let me go back through the screener an hour and a half later and it was negative
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either the machine is not very good or they programming random screening, a couple told me off record, i was subjected to a random screening but they said you set off a buzzer so we don't have a choice. i don't think a random pat-downs are making us any safer. i want to know where the middle eastern students that are in this country, if they get on plane, if you've been to yemen in the last six months i would want to know more about your travel. most american citizens need to go through an easy security process not too invasive and take away our dignity. >> greta: at any point or any time did anybody recognize who you are and think, oh, no, that is a u.s. senator? >> people finally did say, senator paul, but i always showed just my driver's license.
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i wait in the same line. i don't ask for special privileges at the airport. even when they brought me back in, i had 15 minutes. i waited in the line the whole time i don't want people think i'm trying to get something different. i'm trying to get a system for frequent travelers. i want to make it easier to get through the airport. the fact we're taking an adult diaper off an 88-year-old woman. the fact we're doing invasive exams of six-year-old girls, it needs to change. they are changing some of this but only when we tell them we are really upset. when americans go to the airport the next time the buzzer goes off, americans have to say i need to go through the screening again. if we in a million people ask that tomorrow, maybe the tsa would change their policy. >> greta: some of the special screenings, i paid for the special services, it's only
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available at one airport. it's most absurd thing in the world. we actually need someone to champion the cause to make it better. if people are willing to go through the pre-screenings and pay extra money and faster line and going through the machine, we ought to be able to have that. no one seems to be championing that? >> a frequent flyer program, it's been ten years. they are just starting it in a few airports. private programs where you could buy and get a background, they didn't work because they sent you through the same security. you didn't get a faster line. you were still going through the same process. it didn't speed up anything. now, they have a special line in many airports for the pilot. i would fake the special line for the pilot and add that to frequent business travelers that are willing to do a background check. the other thing it allows the screeners to spend more time
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with people that may be a threat to our country when they are spending less time with the other travelers. >> greta: i've been behind a bunch of mierlts pilots, they are behind the controls of the plane. i travel a lot. thank you, sir. iran is now threatening to put the world's oil supply at risk. that is up next. in america, we believe in a future that is better than today. since 1894, ameriprise financial has been working hard for their clients' futures. never taking a bailout. helping generations achieve dreams. buy homes. put their kids through college. retire how they want to. ameriprise. the strength of america's largest financial planning company. the heart of 10,000 advisors working with you, one-to-one.
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200 houses were destroyed. teams have been going door to door looking for more possible victims. good weather tomorrow should help tomorrow. preparations are underway for friends and family and fans to pay their last respect today's joe paterno. he died yesterday at 85 years old. memorials begin tomorrow with a three-day viewing on college campus. a private funeral is set for wednesday. he was diagnosed with lung cancer last november not too long after being fired amid a sex scandal. now back to on the record with greta. have a good night. >> greta: iran says it intends to refal yate where it my try to close the straits hormuz. decision today was to impose an oil embargo against iran. good evening, sir.
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the embargo that the europeans have decided to impose, is that embargo with teeth or is that show? >> i think there is less than meets the eye. what happens immediately there is prohibition on new contracts but existing contracts will continue to be honored through july. enforcement of the ban itself is left up to each nation as best i can tell. which means like greece, italy and spain that rely heavily on imports from iran may be able to find ways around it. you can bet the iranians. they've done this for ten years and they do have contingency plans. i'll be surprised if it has that much impact. >> greta: i thought what was interesting the statement from leaders of france, germany and u.k. with the oil embargo, they were quoted as saying, we will not accept iran acquiring a nuclear weapon.
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i thought that was a different signal, if the sanctions don't work, they are on board to make sure this doesn't happen? >> i think you are right but american presidents have been saying for ten years it's unacceptable for iran to have nuclear weapon. the iranians have another card to play here. that is obviously the weak economic conditions in of those european can countries, particularly heavily depend eochbt their oil hoping if at the risk of the recovery in europe is made clear, that they will find additional loopholes for that oil. i think that is possible too. >> greta: are the sanctions enough to put a pinch on iran economically and do the leaders of iran really care? in some ways, i guess they have to fear there is going to be revolution when the students took to the streets. what is the risk for the leaders? >> the sanctions do impose an
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economic cost. i think that is good. anything that puts pressure on the regime and ultimately helps bring the regime down would be a plus. to be effective sanctions have to be applied comprehensively, swiftly. they need to be strictly enforced. none of that is happening here. you've got countries like china, venezuela prepared to help evade the sanctions, india a major buyer of iranian oil say they are not going to honor anybody's sanctions unless decided by the security council which russia and china will block. i don't see this is going to do what sanctions ought to be aimed at which is stopping the nuclear weapons program. in fact that same european statement they hope it will bring iran to the negotiating table if that is an answer to much of anything. it's not. >> greta: have we imposed the most stringent sanctions possible or is there more,
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trying to keep a little on the table? >> i think there is a lot more we could do. in fact the financial sanctions that congress enacted last month contain waiver admissions that will allow countries like turkey that imports 50% of the oil from iran to getting go something from the sanctions. once you grant one country a waiver, the demands from other countries will increase, as well. given the state of the u.s. economic recovery, i wouldn't be surprised if president obama is looking at the same calculus, it does he really want to squeeze iran it might imperil the economy at home. >> greta: not to mention a election year. >> accurate. >> greta: thank you, sir. >> an update on the war our
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nation refuses to admit. in mexico, eight people were gunned down but that is not all. a police officer shot to death and that is not all. correspondent joins us from mexico city. james, it is every single day there is more stories. it's astounding, isn't it? >> reporter: a supervisor was shot dead it is just across the border from texas where eight people were shot. a person was shot at the funeral which is deep in south of mexico. its large sprawling estate. you had one horrific incident happening right on the border of the united states. you have another one happening right on down south. >> greta: and three bodies dumped in a vacant lot resort,
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and they found a decapitated body in a car. all you have to do is go to the wires, people gruesomely murdered? >> yes, always man was shot dead in a shootout with police. a year ago what actually happened mexico had a tourism thing, it's been held in acapulco for 20 years but this year it has been moved. a year ago i interviewed the tourism minister and she said, basically it's a bit violent but it's not that violent. it is violent now. so they moved it to somewhere else in mexico, it is that bad. >> greta: what are citizens saying there? >> they are frightened. what happened to start with, people knew where the violence was in juarez, hundreds of
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thousands have people have fled from juarez. but what is happening in mexico city. they are having in pueta and in monterey. they happened in industrial harbor of mexico. they happening in acapulco which is the second and most important tourism center. >> greta: james, thank you. straight ahead, he may be a rock star but steven tyler are not getting rave reviews. that is next.
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>> greta: here is the best of the rest. rock star steven tyler may be a judge on american idol but today he is being judged. not everyone enjoys his rendition of national anthem. he sat at the game. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ gave proof through the night ♪ that our flag was still there >> greta: so what did his fellow
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idols think. they probably wouldn't send him to hollywood. >> family cup boston by ins were invited to the white house. start goalie was a no-show. he is a staunch conservative and tonight he explained his white house no show on his facebook. thomas wrote, believe the federal government has grown out of control threatening the rights and liberties and property of the people. this is being done at judicial and executive level. this is against the founding fathers... >> greta: bruins general manager it's not the views of the
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