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can tell us what you thought about tonight's show. go there right now. have a very good weekend. good night from washington, d.c. we'll see you 10:00 p.m. eastern, monday night. we'll see you there. coming up right now, "the five." ♪ ♪ >> eric: happy birthday, stimulus! hello, everyone. i'm eric bolling with kimberly guilfoyle, bob beckel, dana perino and greg gutfeld. it's 5:00 in new york city. this is "the five." ♪ ♪ >> eric: the big day, america. three years ago today, president obama spent hundreds of billions of your tax dollars to "stimulate the economy." well, feel stimulated yet? me neither. we thought it would be nice to wish the president a happy birthday, so we had this cake made, so to speak. but we wanted, bob,
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appropriately -- >> dana: to give you the honor. >> eric: we love you. blow it out. >> bob: i got to make a wish? >> dana: don't spit all over it. good job! you're getting married? what was that? >> bob: you know what i wish it was. >> eric: i'll wait for the break. all right. we blew out the candle. >> bob: you want to know my wish? >> dana: have you been planning that all day? >> bob: yes. that was great! my wish was all of your right wingers would realize how successful the stimulus was. >> dana: even the white house doesn't say -- even the white house doesn't try to claim it's successful. >> greg: a 3-year-old hasn't smelled this bag since seabiscuit. >> eric: it wasn't a success, bob. >> bob: i think it was. no question about it. saved us from depression and among other things,
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1.4 million jobs in the automobile industry alone thanks to president obama. you can argue about this all you want. it should have been bigger in my view. it should have been another $1 trillion and still should be another $1 trillion. saved us from going farther down the hill. >> greg: it's based on an idea you could do worse. you can't unprove. you could do worse. if you come out of a surgery and your doctor operated on the wrong arm, it could have been worse. you could point to a corpse. true, it could be worse. but it's unpeevable. >> dana: that is why remember when they first did it, they say they will save or create 3 million -- remember that? >> eric: it was create 3 million. then it was saved or created. >> dana: but you can't prove saved. i have to hand it to them. brilliant p.r. move. >> greg: saved the automobile industry? have you seen detroit? >> bob: g.m. is now the biggest automobile dealer in the world again. ford back up and chrysler doing well and they paid back the tarp money most of it.
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i don't know what you are complaining about. >> dana: wait, the bail-out of auto industry is separate from the trillion dollars they asked for in the stimulus, which was waste and they promised it would get unemployment below 8%. it hasn't happened. >> kimberly: it hasn't. and the cbo projecting that it will stay above 8% until after 2014. if mr. obama gets in again it will be longer. >> eric: you can't -- >> bob: he says 8% and -- >> eric: on my nose? >> greg: 11% in california. 1% up since the stimulus. >> eric: i'll do it. since stimulus, food stamps up 14 -- since the stimulus, food stamps up 40%. we have haven't done this yet. since stimulus, american jobs, we have 460,000 fewer private sector jobs in america. since stimulus was signed february 17. gas prices. ed 92% increase in gas prices. since that day, look at this.
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that means $230 billion coming out of the american economy per year. >> kimberly: how do you get re-elected with the numbers, bob? how? >> bob: it's not the numbers, the numbers are jacked up due to international affairs and people like your former job, oil speculator. >> dana: oh, no. >> bob: drove up prices. the fact of the matter is that the expectations, i keep coming back to this. the first day the check went out, end of may, they have been over 2 million jobs created in this country. >> dana: 1.4 million less today than there were when he got started. we can go back and forth. >> bob: some is contributed to the previous -- >> dana: with all due respect. that means you don't respect it at all. >> bob: i do. >> dana: every administration since carter did an independent investigation of oil speculators and each investigation comes back and says it's a nice draw but we
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have a law of supply and demand problem. >> eric: february, $3.53. february 17, highest price in february anytime in history. we are starting here. we will do nothing but go higher in the summer. >> kimberly: can we give at it grade? can i grade the stimulus? >> dana: f-minus. >> kimberly: wasted $800 billion. sorry. >> bob: last summer was way up and then it came down. now it's gone way up again. >> dana: at least eric's point is provable. >> bob: what is that? >> dana: by the end of the summer we can look back and say he was right. when you say -- i'm not saying you but when the claim is things could have been so much world health organization, -- te things could have been so much worse, but how do you know
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that? >> eric: that's why they said the stimulus created million to created or saved. you can't prove save jobs. >> greg: the beneficial part, they point to doing of obama. the negativity to bush. you can't have it both ways. if you blame over the same period of time you take the credit for -- >> bob: give credit for helping save the auto industry. if he had listened to the right wing republicans an fortunately he did not, auto industry would have gone down the tubes. >> greg: detroit does look great. >> bob: but there are a number of people working. obama is doing better in ohio and across the upper midwest. people are going back to work. >> kimberly: that is the problem. you compare it, i guess it's a little better but if you look at numbers that matter like the long-term employment. tops 10% in 2009, highest since 1948. these are numbers he will have to recon with and deal with when it comes time to
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re-elect. it's tough, bob. >> kimberly: this was a -- >> kimberly: we started the -- >> bob: we started the show last july. obama was in terrible shape everywhere you could look. since then, approval rating have gone up. the fact is unemployment has come down from upper 9 to 8.3. very well could get below 8% and he would have made his point. >> eric: you can't start at 9. he started at 7.7 or 7.8%. you can't say 9 and say it got better. they are better than they were. >> greg: he just spun -- you just heard that, the numbers are going down. you made in a good thing. >> kimberly: he is so good at that. >> greg: that is amazing. obama is sworn in on januar january 20. >> bob: so you account all the jobs he lost on the 21, 22, 23, 24 to obama? >> eric: i'm not accounting. i'm saying here is where we
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were. there were promises about something to obama and i will give him $800 billion he spent and things aren't better. >> bob: you don't think things are better than a year ago? >> eric: i don't. >> dana: something else happened in the stimulus in the long run will be beneficial for all of us. this is recognition finally that -- and republicans and democrats are guilty of it for decades. being venture capital list and giving money to those who fail was the beginning of the end of that. you saw that last december when the tax credit expired in both parties let it go. that might be the one good thing to come out of it. if this had been stimulative, we wouldn't need to do what they did in congress today, pass the payroll tax cut, and president obama said it was the only legislative priority for the year. so he is done.
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overachiever. already done. he said people needed money in their pocket. >> bob: there was longer term unemployment insurance and doctors getting the medicare insurance. >> eric: it said stimulative and not cost anything. if you bring gas prices town ten cents. they are up $1.70 since obama took office. bring it down 10 cents. >> greg: can i ask? see if you can make it work. there are great things from the stimulus. $16.1 million used to save is salt marsh porpoise. we're grateful for that. >> eric: the long-term unemployment. it's the worse in history the longest you spend on unemployment.
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>> kimberly: lowest number is 1948. when you look for people with the ideas they don't have a clue how to do it. then you have geithner, he is saying we don't have a definitive solution to our long-term problem. >> bob: he didn't do it because the republicans won't sit down and work something out. they repuse to raise taxes. let me ask a question, that $325 billion in tax cuts in that for the small business, are you against those? $325 billion in the almost $1 trillion for small business tax cuts. were you against that? >> eric: i'm in favor of people keeping money they earned. >> bob: so you were in favor of that? okay. >> eric: favor of people keeping more of the money they make. >> bob: are you happy we have three auto companies in america? you are picking on solyndra and small details. a lot of this was wrong. i agree it got to be a pork barrel project for $100 billion. >> eric: on february 17,
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2012, you agree that -- >> bob: he turned this over to congress and let the congress do it. they put a lot of things in they shouldn't have. they should not have backed off on another $1 trillion. you should have had $2 trillion stimulus because i say it once. i'll say it again. definites don't matter. >> greg: then why raise taxes? >> bob: it does matter. >> dana: senate democrats had majority in the first two years of president obama's administration and they could not raise taxes. it's not republicans that weren't willing to raise taxes. simpson-bowles is a great plan. that president obama asked for. >> eric: president obama wants income equality in america, but rick santorum not so much. we explain why next. also, e-mail us at thefive@foxnews.com. ♪ ♪
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>> greg: so the detroit economic club, my favorite economic club, rick santorum spoke the ugly truth about income inequality. i bet he will say there is income inequality in america there. always has been. hopefully there always will be. >> there is income inequality in america there. always has been. hopefully, and i do say that, there always will be. why? people rise to different level of success based on what they contribute to society and the marketplace. that's as it should be. we should haven't a society that has a president who envies or creates class warfare or envy between one group of people and another. >> greg: wow! she is so tall compared to the building. that's just mean what he said. mean is bad, even if it's true. the president fair share stuff always sounds nice, because we wish fairness could be manipulated. you can only regulate freedom of opportunity, not the result of the opportunity.
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forced economic equality is communism. if that is what you are for, admit it. but the socialism is gutless. there is no system to crush inequality without crushing your will. belief that ambition is quaint grows. freedom is hard. why not sit back and let the government step in. it will. your surrender guarantees their survival. i love how celebrities support fairness and hit fundraisers in the jimmy choos. shouldn't they all wear rockport slip-ons? i wonder if obama would give up five of the six hawaiian trips at the year so each of us at "the five" could go? that's something i could live with. maybe the old boss still has the speedo. >> bob: what is this with the shoes? >> kimberly: jimmy choo is a shoe. you wear them. >> dana: ask your daughter. she will know. >> bob: by the way, your comment there about squashing -- that is what he
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is asking for. everybody has an equal shot. first -- >> greg: equal shot is good. equal results is bad. >> bob: that is a comment that rick santorum wishes he has back. that is what they nut an ad if he gets elected. >> greg: everybody agrees except for the starbucks socialist. those are the income gaps. people on top. the question, do they have an eag wall opportunity to get there? >> greg: this is where i -- >> dana: this is where president obama is missing a link in the argument. how is it that raising taxes on the rich then helps the poor? >> bob: let me ask this question. fundamental question. last night in south bronx a child was born to single mother. may have been on crack.
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wait, chances are last night somebody was born to white couple in greenwich, connecticut. do they have an equal shot? >> eric: in america, yes. >> bob: you're out of your mind. >> eric: there is inequality in every system. in fact, in capitalism in america capitalism, the income inequality is lesser, shorter than socialist countries. so you want more inequality or less? >> dana: even if there were two babies born last night, one to a crack mom and one to a white cuple in connecticut, it still doesn't close the gap of president obama's argument that raising taxes then helps -- i don't understand how it helps a young it person get a job. >> bob: the amount of head start money. >> greg: we could talk about this forever but i want to talk about santorum support, froster freeze -- what a great name?
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foster freeze. on msnbc talking about birth control and rick santorum had a response with charlie rose about is he responsible for what his supporters say in they were talking about contraception. roll it. >> this contraceptive thing, it's so inexpensive. in my days we used bayer aspirin for contraceptive. gals put it between their knees and it wasn't that costly. >> charlie, when you quote a supporter of mine that tells a bad, off-color joke, and somehow i'm responsible, that is gotcha. >> no one says you're responsible. >> this is what you do. you don't do it with president obama. with president obama you defended him against someone who sat in a church war for 20 years and defended him. he can't believe what he listened to for 20 years. double standard. this is what you pull off. i'm going to call you on it. >> greg: he has a point. as silly as the joke, santorum
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was right nothing compared to the vitriol of -- >> kimberly: total double standard. i tried that. it doesn't work. so you know, for the record. don't try it at home. you'll be surprised by the outcome. i like santorum. oh, boy. i like santorum's response. he is right to take it head on. double standard, they are holding him accountable for this guy's off color comment or joke. ridiculous. >> greg: just a joke. a bad joke. >> eric: okay, greg. he had a history of being -- >> bob: every presidential candidate gets caught with someone who gives them money. rick shouldn't feel lonely out there. >> dana: the difference, the double standard to me in the media if someone on the left says it, it's okay. taken out of context. if someone on the right says something, he must mean -- >> bob: if that guy --
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>> if he made it on that thinking, maybe there is more einequality in america. >> kimberly: he is a businessman. not a comedian. >> greg: anyone who still says, "gals" has that reaction. >> eric: he may not have been phi beta kappa but he made $5 million. >> kimberly: different society. >> greg: i got to go. coming up, palt buchanan is out at msnbc. is the network blacklisting people who don't tow the liberal line? if you leave now i'll send your resume to media matters and tell them you like to work in a dark basement. ♪ ♪ [♪...] >> announcer: bank robbery certainly is a frightening crime. after all, bank robbers stole $43 million in one year.
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>> bob: that was nice. all week long we have been talking about the tragic death of whitney houston. and now her fun ral will be held on saturday. her former husband, very controversial fellow by the name of bobby brown has been invited to the funeral. our own geraldo geraldo rivera had something to say about that. >> they should do everything they can to keep bobby brown away from bobbi christina. the world's worst father has made himself close to daughter to get his hand on $20 million estate. bobby brown that got her hooked on gutter drugs including crack he is circle like a vulture around his daughter and the suspicion is he will try to cash in. >> bob: let me say something if i could about this. i don't think he necessarily got her hooked. he may have been using and she was around it. and he is felt attraction to use it.
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people get hooked because you want to get hooked. how about bobby brown being invited? what do you think of this? >> eric: i do think he is the cause of her getting hooked. you said something yesterday. people e-mailed me and said can you ask beckel about this. you may have said it in the break yesterday. if you say a drug addict needs to hit rock bottom before they get better, how can you be in favor of 99 weeks unemployment benefits for people out of work? don't people to have to hit rock bottom to get work? >> bob: i find that analogy different. they have to take responsibility for themselves, people have to let them go and hit bottom. >> dana: on the funeral thing i think it would be difficult for the daughter if he was no. excluded and not be invited. hep probably would have caused
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more problems than just invite him and let it be solemn occasion. if he makes a you know what out of himself like he did yesterday. >> eric: concert after a funeral? >> kimberly: you are not saying he is the most upstanding individual. but whitney houston was living a spiritual and wonderful life. top actress, one of the best singers still to this day in the world. he is met bobby brown. that is when the spiral happened. sorry to say, that is the truth. i believe in personal responsibility, but he is wasn't having problems in her life. she hooked up with this guy. that was it. to get the career back on he wanted her to do a reality show. it ruined her career and it was all about him. >> bob: he is went in a profession where this is prevalent, drugs are prevalent, abuse is prevalent. he is may have had the choice not to go into it. but the chance of bobby brown or not, if he is had an addictive personality, fair to say he is did, he is would.
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>> kimberly: she was abused woman. verbal, physical and mental abuse he is suffered. it's not uncharacteristic a woman who is abusive relationship can be influenced by him. account for that as well. >> bob: we have to be careful here how we suggest to people. addicts get themselves -- they start not thinking they are addicts. >> greg: i blame george bush. >> kimberly: do you work for the obama administration? >> greg: everyone is trying to assign blame here and there. it was her responsibility. sorry she is dead and sorry for her family. don't have to take responsibility for her actio actions -- adults take responsibility for her action. >> bob: well said. on the daughter, dana is right, this kid is all alone now, right? i don't know what her relationship is with her father. nobody does. geraldo doesn't. i think the opportunity for her to be with her dad is not
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probably bad thing. >> eric: if you agree to boobby assisted whitney to the abuse and addiction -- >> bob: i don't know that. >> eric: hasn't the daughter also gone through rehab? >> kimberly: i don't know about that but he is had to go to the hospital twice for anxiety, stress and grief right after hearing this. she was very close to her mother. >> eric: i'm not sure, i don't know. but bob, you say there is an addictive gene. if he is has a gene wouldn't you want her away from bobby brown? >> bob: if he is has an addictive gene, he is will become addict more than likely. 58% certainly. >> kimberly: we say prayers for her. he is still has her grandmother. that is good. >> bob: all right. coming up, do you ever get tired of screaming kids and n restaurants? one joint is trying to give terrible toddlers the boot. we will talk about whether that's fair and whether greg should have been able to stay in the restaurant. ♪ ♪
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>> dana: welcome back to "the five." okay. we'll get away from the politics stuff and talk about something really important; that is, whether restaurants should be allow to ban children or to tell parents you know, how to make sure that the kids straighten up. so there is this atlanta restaurant, grant central pizza in grant park. they have a disclaimer that to all future and present patrons, blah, blah blah, make sure you kids don't cry and drive our customers out of here. last summer we talked about this a little bit. is this becoming a trend? why is this happening? >> greg: there is a good reason. the gutfeld parenting institute of america or gpia found a scientific fact that parents cannot hear their own children scream. you cannot hear your enjoy genetic code above 50-decibels. darwinian thing. >> bob: same thing you can't
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smell diapers when you're in their house, but you know it's there. parents don't smell it but you do. >> kimberly: bob loves to talk about this. >> bob: i'm all for this. if you can have people not smoke you can have kids not cry. one guy got hit in the head by a toy from the punks. they're crying and out of control. why bring them in first place? keep them home and probably pay less money to pay a babysitter to break down in front of everybody. >> greg: parents go to the eat. take their kids out. >> kimberly: stay a prisoner their house? by the way, what pizza place bans kids. hello, that's the kids main thing. >> dana: one place they banned children the receipts went up 20% on the first night. >> greg: they are attacking little people like that. >> dana: give you a box of crayons and you play. >> greg: i saw. yes do. >> dana: why does this happen in europe, italy? people take their kids out all the time and they don't throw a tantrum.
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>> greg: they speak another language. [ laughter ] >> eric: if you don't like the restaurant and kids are there, especially a pizza place -- >> kimberly: that's my point. >> eric: kids should be allowed to have fun. >> bob: it's not fun. >> dana: but i am surprised to hear you say that. if you are a private business owner shouldn't you be able to decide who is coming in? >> eric: that is not what you asked. should it be a rule? you can make any rule. >> kimberly: you are allowed to. don't think it's good idea. >> dana: what if your profits go up by 20%? >> eric: i guess you do it. >> bob: took your wife to a nice restaurant and somebody has a baby next to you and the kid starts to wail and scream. >> eric: c'mon, bring it on. sit next to me. >> bob: because you don't want to listen to what your wife says? >> kimberly: don't get him in trouble. >> eric: i like kids to have freedom. >> bob: let them throw your legos at you. >> bob: put them in a separate room. put kids in a separate room. they used to do it to me at
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thanksgiving. >> eric: that explains a few things. >> dana: let's talk about one other thing. there is a story about a cheating chef who was on the food network. her name is ann thornton, and he is had a show called "dessert first." the official explanation of her show canceled the ratings weren't good. but there is a lot of accusations that she was plagerizing the recipes. as a magazine editor, former magazine editor, if somebody sent you -- at what point does a recipe plaggize? you have to change half a teaspoon too quarter teaspoon? is that good enough? >> greg: if i had a dollar this question is asked. it happened to me. world famous lemon squares, have been plaggized a number of times. i don't complain because i'm so broken up about it. here are the things what is up with cupcakes and cup cabe chefs? when did cupcakes become cuisine? >> kimberly: where have you been? >> greg: i am tired of celebrity chefs. they are glorified cooks. they have to be called chefs.
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hey, chef, what's up, chef? do you watch the show? >> kimberly: they're all asian. >> dana: you seem frustrated because you are on the atkins diet and only eat meat. you are mad you can't eat cupcakes. >> greg: you only need melt, ketchup and beer. >> dana: that is not true. >> bob: kara works with us and made this point. he is keeps on the food channel. excellent cook. everybody who does this is fat. >> dana: what we are talking about, the girl who does our hair is a fabulous professional. she is a great cook as well. but she is not fat. >> bob: i don't watch the food channel. >> dana: one thing people don't know about you, you have aspirations to write a cookbook for bachelors. you have one very special recipe. could you share it with us? >> bob: i'll share. anybody wants to steal it go ahead. it's been handed down for generations.
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it's called bachelor stew. boil pot of water, double macaroni, pour it in, a little salt if you need it. two pounds of ma'amburgers on frying pan. olive oil. take two cans of stewed tomatoes and mix it together. you have bachelor stew. you heard it here first. go ahead and use it. it will last weeks, man. let me tell you stuff, i live on it for three weeks. >> greg: that is the sloppy bob's. >> bob: no. bachelor stew. it's great. because pardon me, i call it that, -- every time i get something it always goes bad. i don't eat it. so bachelor's stew, you can eat it -- >> bob: you can't tell when bachelor's stew goes bad. >> greg: that is the great thing. >> dana: we have an oscar here. oscar is a great camera man who is kind of a gourmet. what do you think of bachelor stew? would you make it for your family? >> no.
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>> bob: oscar, hey! what are you talking about? i'm an italian cook. oscar, you like it. you would. i know you a gourmet. what is that anyway? it's funny sounding -- >> greg: if you don't pronounce the "t" it's communistic. >> kimberly: there is one recipe and -- >> dana: we might provide it later on special reporting after this. but we'll come back and do one more thing. >> kimberly: now you're french. ♪ ♪
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♪ ♪ >> eric: all right, time for one more thing. >> greg: how did you know in the "a" block we touched on a bit of polling. i hate polling. i hate pollsters. gutfeld american institute of polling i went and did a survey of pollsters to find out what job they originally wanted as a child. 33% said cowboy. 33% said astronaut. 33% said cowboy/astronaut hybrid.
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1% is sourceer. none of them wanted to be pollsters. >> kimberly: true. good point. >> bob: that is very funny. >> dana: i'll go quickly. fox news special on sunday. you are not going to want to miss it because it has one of the great american heroes. somebody you will recognize is on. 9:00 p.m. sunday. we have a sound bite for that. >> jumps out of an airplane. he makes a cause out of it. >> just because you're an old guy you don't have to drool in the corner. >> dana: he is her's hero. i think he is 87. or 88. >> eric: he looks great. >> dana: a great american. >> eric: i'll go next. you know how we love dogs at the table? my wife logs dog as well. she works with the animal shelter in new jersey. look at the pictures.
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she went out and arranged -- they're wearing "the five" hats. the shelter had 90 dogs. new jersey animal coalition. next picture. theiams corporation, sent them a year's supply of dog food. literally thousands of pounds of dog food. you have no idea how this will help the dogs who are there because of they take them in from -- >> greg: it's bachelor stew as well. >> eric: thank you, guys. >> kimberly: good job, adrian. >> bob: i hope one of the dog is better than the best in show dog. now listen we had valentine's day on tuesday. a number of colleagues said poor bob, send him a valentine's day card or best wishes. on a serious note i got hundreds from you. very nice. it always started off with
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"i'm a conservative, bob, and i don't agree with a single thing you say, but happy valentine's day." but i was touched. >> eric: wait until the bachelor stew. >> kimberly: tall ladies are like bob, cook for me some sometime. guys, we have something. we have a very special, very special announcement today. it's five-year anniversary of the show "red eye" on the fox news channel. >> bob: yea! >> kimberly: everybody, fabulous people on that show. some people like dogs but greg likes unicorns. >> greg: i don't like them. i love them. >> kimberly: make a wish. >> bob: this is the same cake from earlier. >> kimberly: this best part, it regifted. we regifted. >> bob: on your behalf, can you at fox get rid of the disgusting tab
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