>> yes, inde. and so you know what to do. why don't you do it. >> demand it. (laughter) >> go get it. >> go get it? what is it alpo? >> hello, i'm eric bolling along with andrea tantaros, bob beckel, dana perino and greg gutfeld. it's five o'clock in new york city and this is "the five." ♪ >> well, it's election day primaries in arizona and michigan. polls close in just a few hours. while arizona should go solidly romney, michigan, a completely different primary, and the candidates, they're going rogue to win the wolverines state. listen to the the robo call that's got conservatives like me scratching our heads. >> romney supported the bailouts for his wall street

buddies. opposed to the auto bailouts and that's a slap in the face to every michigan worker and we're not going to let romney get away with it. >> and romney fighting back with harsh words for santorum's tactics. >> it's a dirty trick, outrageous, to see rick santorum team up with the obama people and go after union labor people in detroit and try it get them to vote against me. i think it's outrageous and disgusting, a terrible dirty trick. >> all right. while santorum and romney slugged it out in michigan, president obama addressed the united auto workers in d.c., arrogant, down right cocky, we report, you decides. >> i got to get in a brand new chevy volt fresh off the line even though secret service wouldn't let me drive it. i liked sitting in it. it was nice. i bet it drives real good. and five years from now when i'm not president anymore, i'll buy one and drive it

myself. [applause] >> well, that's not true. and the president, he will always be driven around in a secret service limo. >> and driving around like-- >> well, he doesn't own like a ranch and somewhere he can drive it around. -- >> let's see, dana, when he loses reelection if he purchases one, something tells me-- >> he's good though. >> the point, he's saying the truth. nobody buys a volt as their primary car. it's their second car, third car, or fourth car. which means, it only adds another piece of ugly machinery to the streets. no one makes it their primary car, it's a joke car, a clown car to keep in the back yard for your kids. >> or a golf car. >> and maybe a golf cart, it's are golf car. >> a golf bag. >> i didn't believe that president obama would bring up the chevy volt. >> you can't get up, bob. >> i can't leave? >> all right. let's get to it.

can we get to santorum's robo call. >> yes, we can. >> conservatives are scratching our heads, going, really? really? almost defend the auto bailout? >> let me try-- first of all, if mitt romney thought that was rough politics, mitt ain't seen nothing yet, number one. number two, that was nothing. i mean, that was a complete softball, and the reason he did it is for the following: he's in a close race, and if he could beat romney there he'll stay in the race a long time and democrats can vote. >> well, you go and get the votes if you can get them. >> but it's hurting the party overall because the democrats want this to go on forever. michael moore wants to vote for santorum, so basically, what, what romney's got to say is that this is hurting the party and also, it makes romney look better because santorum is admitting he's less of a threat to obama than santorum. >> and i'm not sure that's what he's admitting, but it's definitely making voters mad and my twitter is exploding.

and bob and i debate like every afternoon on news room, and this is a dirty trick, a democrat running as a tea party candidate as we saw in the mid term, using taem language to cool voters or sending voters to different polling stations and this is fair game and santorum said i'm going after reagan democrats and that's exactly what he's doing. >> a lot of people don't like it. >> let me follow-up. not the fact that he's going after democrat voters, but the tactics, saying, really? saying, look, romney voted for wall street bailouts, but against auto bailouts. do you people in michigan want to vote for guys against auto bailouts? he voted against it himself. >> and they'll do anything to win. i mean, politics-- >> that's why i think that-- and it it might help in michigan, but with national attention on this race daily, with the voters that watch fox in particular, that are paying attention to this race, if you're in arizona, it's not

that you didn't ear about the robo call story in michigan, it's not like santorum can contain the message about the bailout and whatever he's trying to sell within michigan, that's now that's everywhere. >> yeah, he said the problem is with that, is that he knows he's going to lose michigan. i mean, arizona probably by 10 to 15, 20 points. i think, i'm going out on a limb here. even though the polls don't show romney in michigan, but santorum, if he beats him the race goes on for another couple months. i couldn't be happier. >> that's the point. >> sacrifice himself so you feel better? >> no, no, it's not about my feelings. look, all the-- it's true. all the roads lead back to the brady bunch. if you remember the famous episode where marsha ran against greg for class president, this is the equivalent of marsha going to the rival high school and using her feminine wiles to get other students to vote against greg brady. >> unbelievable. >> it's true. it's disgusting.

santorum, bad. >> please, please, don't apply for the political analysis portion. >> no, i'm telling you, bob, that actually makes sense. people get that. >> the brady bunch. >> can i ask you pollsters this? i've posted on facebook and twitter, 600 responses more than i've ever asked, is it right for the democrats to be involved in picking the g.o.p. candidate, right down the middle? anywhere from all is fair in love, war and politics, too, this is ridiculous, and they're just doing it to undermine-- >> eric historically in open primaries you're going to get anybody to vote for you, including independents. and i think that santorum is it really smart in this sense because for years i've been saying there's an opportunity for republicans to appeal to these union voters, why? remember when i am-- immigration came up on the docket, it's a huge wedge issue. >> but, why? >> i agree with you. >> what about this?

why do you allow democrats it decide our candidate or g.o.p.'s? >> well, the concept of open primaries, i don't know where it originated, do you know, bob? >> yes, in the midwest. >> can you help? >> midwest, and goes back, tradition in the midwest for a long, long time and northern states. in the southern states less so. >> why? >> because they had what used to call-- there wasn't-- a democratic farm labor, and it was considered an open primary for everybody to participate and a way to increase turnout and the one that came for the idea, he creates turnout. >> yes, it does, really, why would you want a democrat-- why does that, why should that vote count? >> well, works both ways, could work against the democrats, right? and it all balances out in the long run. >> no, politics has become so harsh and evil you could almost see as michael moore points out, that greg pointed out, i think he called operation hilarity, where

they're actually asking democrats to come vote for santorum to extend the election. >> the campaign, exactly. >> and this is why romney has to use it to his example and say, this is proof of my superiority, if people like michael moore want to vote for santorum, because they're not scared of santorum, they're scared of me. >> right. >> let me remind you of what's coming up, some states where this will matter in a good way, new jersey, pennsylvania, new york, illinois, place-- ohio particularly, they're heavily facted by the automotive industry. he's playing a smart move for the upper northern midwest. >> hold on, santorum is playing this move in michigan, divided between the auto industry, centered around detroit, and it's a far more right republican base outside of detroit. >> no, no, no the auto industry is affected by all of those. >> but, it really is in and around detroit area. >> and that's where they make them. >> that's where the democrat, that maybe swings republican--

>> the cars, you don't take it on cars in michigan, a republican or democrat, you don't do it. >> and corn in iowa. >> i don't see them saying i'm so scared of romney. i see them getting mad at santorum for this, but not gnawing on their nails in fear of mitt romney. and the santorum robo call story reminds me of the gingrich bain capital story out of south carolina, where it was just a bridge too far and that thinking people looked at that and said-- >> can i make a point about the robo call? that voice, it had more charisma than santorum. he needs the robo call to replace him in any future debates. >> can i tell you one fast robo call story that i did? we had a campaign running negative robo calls against us, and the night of the election i did a robo coal endorsing our opponent in the congressional district, all night long, every hour, hey, bill so-and-so here, vote for

me tomorrow by the time the morning came he had woken people up all night long and when he went to the polling place, they didn't like him booed him. >> that's a dirty trick. >> past the statute of limitatio limitations. >> that was your voice. >> no, no. >> keep it here on fox for special election night coverage, starts about an hour from now and goes all the way throughout the night. >> coming up are conservatives turning against the war in afghanistan? rush limbaugh sounds like he could be, also, don't forget to e-mail us at thefive@foxnews.com. ♪

♪ >> welcome back to "the five." well, for the last couple of years you've heard certain conservatives and notably liberals speaking out against the war in afghanistan. well, now, with increased violence because of the accidental koran burning, some

conservatives, very prominent conservatives i should note are speaking out asking what are we exactly doing in afghanist afghanistan. >> the muslim group has demanded that the soldiers who took the garbage out and burned it now be put on trial and prosecuted. it's gotten to the point where, why are we there? if this is the end result of us being there? let's get these people out bring them home and the hell with the place over there. >> we saw this week of crazy demonstrations, was a revelation how little effect we've had, how little our sacrifices have changed afghan society. it is a broken, primitive, savage society and by the way, it's not worth another drop of american blood. >> okay, i've made these comments before, greg, i think it's the one issue that unites and often times we're seeing now, conservatives with liberals. now, maybe for completely

different reasons, but you've had people who have been asking what exactly is the blueprint in afghanistan? they've spent years fighting, we've lost our blood and men and women on the battle field. now because of accidental koran burning they murdered soldiers. what exactly are we doing? >> i think we're operating under the kinard, we owe these states a living. nanny state. in the old days we had he' win stuff and leave. and now, i call it the time travelling caveman. the taliban are time travelling cavemen. what do you do, you don't talk about lady gaga, they don't know lady gaga. they don't know about american idol, they'll eat your face. you put them in america's basement, you look it, never let him out and when he gets out, crush him. >> that's where we put him in karl rove's basement, accused of. >> and something called the marshal plans we bailed out

the germans and japanese-- >> i know. >> you knew that. by the way, you have makeup on your tie. >> and could i encourage you to speak up on the war, is this a problem for the president and it doesn't want to look like-- and i understand that he would be the president that handed afghanistan over to the the taliban. >> i blame it on both of them, i thought we shouldn't be on this side except the eastern side the terrorists coming in. these people don't like us, a savage nation is a terrible thing to say, but the fact of the matter it, this is a culture that's never going to be westernized and never buy into democracy and this afternoon would not be too soon. rush limbaugh and i for the first time agree completely. it is time to get out of this place and get out now. >> i'll jump in here. i spent the better part of 20 years starting businesses, one of my most successful businesses was trading. when you trade, you learn to cut your losses, i think we

went into afghanistan for all the right reasons. at this point, things changed. the environment changes. new things come into markets. it's time to cut the loss, get out of afghanistan. i agree with rush here. >> what do you think, dana. >> that could be the place that i get to after i make my other point, which is that it was the democrats who for years said that afghanistan was the good war. that that was the one we should be fighting. that that was the one that mattered and that iraq was the bad war. >> obama comes in, makes a decision, a courageous one it send more troops, based on what he inherited from bush. he does not keep up with the karzai government. karzai is a tough one, and a weak leader. so, now, what we have is a situation that the violence in afghanistan is worse today than it was when president obama took office. there's a lot of reasons for that. but for them to say now that

we should leave, based on the good work to president obama has done when the violence is worse, i don't think that they should be allowed to get away with that and i also think that freedom is transformational and that-- or transformtive. that they deserve the right to freedom. in this accidental koran burning, do you know that some of the afghani soldiers said one of the reasons they want the americans to leave is because our soldiers are disrespectful to women? are you kidding me? and they can't little let girls go to school. we're about to walk away from it all. if we decide to leave early, i think that we are missing a huge opportunity to be the one that provides freedom for people who deserve it. >> but i don't think they're governable. i don't think you can change the hearts and minds in this situation. you have a majority of afghanis who don't even know their age. you have a country that doesn't, that does not inherently respect women at all. we would have to be there for

a really wrong time. >> right. >> one of the reasons we were there was to make sure they were not giving haven to usama bin laden, that's done. they're in the doing that. if we see they're holding terrorists, we go back and send the seals in, why are men and women getting killed every day for a country that frankly doesn't seem to appreciate or respect it. >> i hope you were not referring to democrats when you said now they want to get out. it's talking about-- >> no, i didn't mean they. i said there's bipartisan agreement on it. i happen to not be there. i know it takes a lot for a president to constantly have to go out and remind people we are at war and this is why. president obama didn't do that. he doesn't have the war for a lot of reasons, but partly because he never made the case for it. >> are you saying we should stay though? >> if the-- i agree that facts changes, strategies have to change. and if the mission is different, and if we are-- if we just have-- this is why i say i could get

to the position to leave. if we're not there to win and not there to see it through, then we should probably bring them home. >> that's the word, that's the word. >> what's the good war? >>, but the point here is why spend treasure in human life if you can't win, if there's no winning, it doesn't make any sense. >> right, right. >> and conservatives like myself irate. we have been asking this question for years. you can fast forward-- rewind a year ago or two years ago, conservatives were saying what's the plan? what's the blueprint? why are we there? do you know how many men and women we've lost and still sitting around the table, why are we there? >> in iraq we asked that same question over and over again. i never saw iraq as a good war and afghan as bad war. i thought they were all bad wars and iraq has fallen apart and what have we got? >> if you go back to the 2008 campaign, both senators obama and clinton said afghanistan is a place where he we should put resources. >> you're right, i agree.

>> and put a political wedge-- >> instead of thinking of the well-being of afghanistan and our troops who were there. >> except we can't take care of the the well-being of the people of afghanistan, been there 3000 years, the british couldn't do it, russians couldn't do it. >> and say that-- >> again it's like animal fighting over rotten meat. there's nothing there, nothing there. >> how could we be so-- >> well. >> and james madison over there-- >> a new report says that american muslims are becoming radical online faster than the feds can identify them. and why do the police department have some online and off line. we'll discuss it next on "the five." ♪

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♪ >> welcome back to "the five." we were just having a discussion whether or not our troops should leave afghanistan and one of the reasons we were there was to prevent terrorism and there's another story brewing here in the united states, that is whether or not the n.y.p.d. was right to monitor some muslim students, both here in new york and then as bob will point out, apparently outside their jurisdiction, which is debatable. but, there is a new congressional report out today bipartisan and it said that the internet radicalizes american muslims quickly-- or muslim youth quickly, in america. the question, if that's true

and they are 'r are not telling one another? eric? >> the scary part. not only do you as a parent after 13-year-old, worry about predators, pedophiles trolling for youth and your credit card now there are groups out there trolling, look are forout and see how people flip and being occupying protesters and just as quickly radicalized via the internet. that is scary. >> the key with the internet it radicalizes everyone. if you're a middle age guy into unicorns, and you're questioned a freak, and if you find others, you're not an oddity, you're an organization. >> i would not object to the n.y.p.d.-- and you're not a freak, greg, by the way. >> i am a freak.

it's a challenge and why the cops are doing the right thing. >> first of all, we were not talking about this in the break. these were singing the theme to the brady bunch. the worst i've heard. collectively we got there. >> my god, why? so, let me say what i said. you know my position on this, the n.y.p.d. has no jurisdiction nor right to be probing anywhere outside the city of new york. get the hell out of my city and he's right. >> and andrea, if the police commissioner here in new york city had a tip that helped the mayor of newark prevent an attack, he probably wouldn't complain. >> exactly. >> right? >> exactly. >> and why not tell the mayor of newark he's doing it. >> if christy and others were in office on 9/11, they would realize a lot of missed signs and now they're trying to make sure there are no he more missed signs, they're not doing any illegal search and seizure. >> websites are