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>> john: is what more american than opening a lemonade stand? >> thank you very much. >> appreciate it. >> for years, kids have set up stands like this. but today watch out. the police may bust you. >> i was like really scared because i didn't know what was going to happen. we were selling lemonade in the front yard and third day, the police decided to shut us down. >> i could hear them from inside
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my house, girls you have to shut the stand down. >> it made me want to open my own stand. there is a cop over there. w will the police bust me? >> there is so many vague laws that everybody could be caught up with it. >> the avalanche of new laws, this is just what the feds added last year. it makes criminals just about all of us. >> every citizen arguably could be shown to have violated some regulation in these stacks and that is the danger. >> john: the police never told these girls why they were shut down. >> i tried to find out and they said really, did they shut your local on aide stand down? >> john: eventually the chief explained. >> we don't know what the lemonade with, we understand you
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are young, you are breaking the law and we can't let you do it any more. >> john: these kids in texas were stopped, too. >> they said you needed a permit. >> in hazelwood, illinois they sold girl scout cookies but the city sent them a letter ordering them to stop. >> i said, what? cookies, come on! >> john: there was law tha they didn't know existed. >> it's understandable, but people like me, i am a lawyer and i can tell you. >> john: it's incomprehensible to me. >> john: even the police don't understand. she said the kid's stand violated the law. >> they bought lemonade from them. >> one is accused of breaking the city's nuisance and property
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maintenance ordinance. his crime -- the tree is the wrong kind. >> if you don't remove the tree on or could you be fined $2,000 a day. >> john: you bought the house partly because of this tree? >> yes. >> it turned out this tree wasn't on the planning and development services department list of approved trees. i guess there is a bunch of them in the area. >> you point this out to the authorities. they said what? >> let us know who they are and we will cite them, as well. >> in california, stephanie and chuck were fined for holding bible studies. >> you need a permit. >> it goes down a road. studies. there can be tens of thousands of dollars. >> john: asked them how many people do it. >> and the code enforcer and boss that was from the planning department, more than three.
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>> john: you have more than three kids. >> i have five. >> famous people accused of breaking the law can cite the prosecutors they can afford the expensive tluars get them reduced sentences. >> but what if you are an ordinary businessman and you import these guys. watch out. you could go to jail for years. >> we didn't catch the lobster. >> eddie used to import seafood and then authorities said you are in trouble. >> i did the same thing for 13 years over and over. bring the lobster tails in and sell them. nobody in the government never had a problem with that until that day when they walked up on the dock and said, don't offload your lobster tails. >> john: custom shows up and says put them back. >> they didn't know the answer. >> we know you shouldn't murder and shouldn't steal.
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that is old-fashioned. now, the laws are much more technical and vague. >> john: the government said he broke four obscure regulations in honduras. >> that said they had to be packaged in 40-pound boxes. >> everybody was using plastic zblags i started in 1986 was always doing it the same way. >> even honduras said, you've got it wrong. it didn't matter. >> 7:30 in the morning, it was about six or seven f.b.i., irs, customs, there was about 13 of them on my deck all with guns. >> john: that was just the beginning of his nightmare. you were stand to. >> eight years and one month. >> john: eight years and a month. maybe he was a repeat offender. >> any trouble before this?
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>> worst was a speeding ticket. >> john: he served six years in jail. what happened to your business? >> i went broke. >> john: what happened to your family? >> they broke up. my kids are back home with their mother. that the story. >> john: i assume these attorney generals and state attorneys they wanted to make a name for themselves. they want don't want to hurt people. most are not evil but there are a lot of fanatics. >> prosecutors have noticed that other prosecutors like eliot spitzer, rudy guliani won high office by racking up conviction records. >> you see all these regulations around here. they will comb the books and they will find something. >> this could happen to you. they can take any law they think you broke and take you to trial.
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whether you win or lose you are going lose because by the time you are done fighting it you are broke. >> of course the government never goes broke. >> they must have spent million dollars? >> i heard they spent five million. >> amount of money brapts the typical individual. >> i have had clients that spent $10 million. >> i can't even imagine how much money they spent prosecuting my husband. >> the feds try jill's husband and lost but instead of a apologizing for getting it wrong they now threaten to fine him $37,000 a day. what terrible crime jack and jill committed. trying to build a house on their own property. >> county gave you permission to build? >> yes, they did. and they inspected the foundation. >> john: you started to build. >> a government owned drainage ditch was clogged.
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they asked the jack to fix it. >> they say we are backed up. if you can clean the ditch go ahead and do it. he used a backhoe and removed huge logs out of the ditch. the water poured off the land and we were cited a felony for cleaning the ditch. a felony charge. it gave the property appearance of being a wetland. state government floods your property and federal government charges you with a felony. >> john: it's clearly not a wetland. he is digging a well here. he had to go deep down. >> he was down about eight feet but could not find a water table. >> john: a jury cleared jack of all charges. >> we won. after we were home for a month, army corps of engineers and epa sent us a letter, you won in the
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criminal court, but we still fil people its wednesday land and decision made by the jury did not matter to them. if you don't get off the property we're going to fine you still. >> john: what does that mean? >> $37,500 a day. >> john: they had to sell their home. now, they live in a modified trailer. >> john: this has almost taken everything you have? >> well, yeah. >> and life savings? >> we'll be bankrupt. you have no idea what you are up against, you don't know the power that is the epa. >> they have all the time and rer sources in the year. they have an unlimited budget and they wear you down. >> they just come in and ruin lives. >> john: so our government that is supposed to be for the people by the people sometimes is
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stand legally in america. >> they directed me to this website. >> this is supposed to make life simple. >> they make it easy, except, what? >> there was unintelligible questions. >> what is an assistant. >> an employee identification number. >> the government said i needed to take a 15 hour protection class to sell lemonade. >> i don't have a bicycle. >> and then an exam and wait weeks to find out if i passed. then i would buy a government approved fire extinguisher. it could take months, forget it. so i did it without a permit. max's lawyer gave me the okay. i didn't sell anything. i had to give every refunds.
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first, the customers thought it was crazy. many once had their own lemonade stands. >> did you have to get a license? >> i'm in canada and i can't let you drink this. >> there are so many rules, i'm not allowed to sell this to you. >> i didn't have time to get all the permits. >> you didn't need any permit. >> that is how was once in the united states. >> back in the 1920s and you take a poor italian and he going out and buys a used car and paints the word taxi and he is in business. >> john: this old documentary he got his start driving a cab. >> i made about $125 a week. >> today he couldn't buy a cab unless he was millionaire.
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>> most cities to buy one of these medallions. no medallions, you are not legal. but they now cost million dollars. >> very expensive. >> so expensive that only big companies can afford them. so these drivers are not entrepreneurs, they are employees. >> it's because of the medallion. >> the purpose of these licenses is to keep outsiders out the purpose of a license so they can charge higher prices. >> john: one of the few remaining places you can start a taxi business is washington, d.c. >> it's the last bastion of free entrepreneurs in america. >> john: this lobbyist wants to end that freedom. >> you have to regulate. >> john: he wants to bring the
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medallion rules to the washington, d.c. he wants to cut the taxi cars in half. >> there is too many taxicabs. >> they don't think so. >> they like be allowed to work but the lobbyists convinced the d.c. councilman to sponsor his bill. >> we want to professionalize our taxicab system? >> we wanted want to make sure the customer has a good riding experience. >> john: that sounds good but regulations are in the books subject to every driver to petty harassment. still at least in washington, d.c., open entry rules allow them to enter the business. >> washington, d.c. is the only major city in america that allows open entry. isn't that good for poor people? >> no, it's not. a medal yon system is what is
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needed. >> john: that squeezes newcomers out? >> and they should be squeezed out. >> john: why? >> because this is a regulated industry. >> john: how much do you get paid lobby for this. >> my right is $775 an hour. >> i can't blame him, but don't husband 80 me. >> john: so you are paid by the taxi king, jerry schaffer. >> i'm being paid not him. >> john: keep the little guys out. >> kings, queens and jacks. >> poor folks pay lobbyists. if he gets his regulation, poor people won't be taxi entrepreneurs. >> only a few will be able to afford it. >> john: washington has been an
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open place for taxi to become a taxi driver so why monkey with it. >> folks have different legislation, our charge is to implement it. >> john: how many laws have you gotten past? >> very active. >> john: ever repeal any. >> no, we haven't appealed any. >> john: it makes it much harder to be an ok, guys-- what's next ? chocolate lemonade ? susie's lemonade... the movie. or... we make it pink ! with these 4g lte tablets, you can do business at lightning-fast spes. we'll take all the strawberries, dave. you got it, kid. we have a winner. we're definitely gonna need another one. small sinesses that want to grow use 4g lte technology from verizon. i wonder how she does it. that's why she's the boss.
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some towns ban meals. one banned all fast food restaurants. they want to limit the salt i eat. if you sell certain things at the food police disapprove of, you better watch out. >> there was lookout banging on the back gate. >> john: not long ago, federal and state officials raided a food co-opt in los angeles. >> were you drawing guns. >> they searched me. they thought we had cocaine in the fruit. >> their crime was selling milk that hadn't been pasture turized >> they also raided sharon's farm which supplies rawsome with the natural food. >> these people come and rip my house apart. they took me down to the county jail, booked me.
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like i was a criminal. >> they were charged with six felonies. they could go to jail all because health officials say raw milk can be down right dangerous. >> john: it can. unpasture used means it's not heated and could have salmonella but raw food buyers say this. >> it's pure and healthy and makes me feel good. >> john: that is ridiculous. but don't people have a right to be ridiculous. >> this is america. how are you going to tell me what i should and shouldn't eat. i eat lots of dove bars and i also eat chicken. they say it causes lots of illness and many deaths. we don't ban chicken. >> when the government gets between my lips and throat, that
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is an invasion. >> why do you want to drink raw milk? >> i think it's good for me. >> john: most states ban the sairls sale of raw milk just like unlicensed lemonade stands. my lawyer told me if no one drinks it and i don't make any money, that is probably legal. >> it indicates the prejudice against terrible business people. anyone who is this s is in business is a cheater. >> john: cdc says hundreds have gotten sick from raw milk? >> more have drowned in backyard swimming pools. ultimately you and i should be able to choose our risk. i think eating mountain dew is
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risky but i'm not asking for a government telling you can't do it. >> they have koult elevated 500 acres and more and more rules. >> every day, i look over my shoulder, what are they going to find illegal. >> john:. >> you can go into the woods and put a deer prominently and take it around in the afternoon sun and take it home and string and feed to it your children. that is being a great american. >> but if i take one lamb or one pig and get all the neighbors together and we have a community kill them and one neighbor pays me a criminal i'm a criminal. >> john: we need government to
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protect us? >> if that is what you think, go ask for government protection but allow my customers and me who don't have faith in the government, let us opt out. it's freedom of choice should be important as the freedom to worship and speak and own a gun. >> john: what about the freedom public officials doing public work? coming up, in america these days you never know what is legal. can police legally arrest you wake up!
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... this is a fox news alert. i'm arthel nevil. message crews in kentucky recovering two more bodies earlier today, bringing the total to at least 37 people killed in four states. over hundred tornadoes were reported in ten states. rough weather far from over. latest forecast and team coverage from some of the hardest hit areas coming up at the top of the hour. >> polls closing in washington state. mitt romney, rick santorum, ron paul and newt gingrich hoping for a big win in today's caucuses. 40 delegates up for grabs in the evergreen state and they are looking for the last bit of
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>> the problem is that often the watchmen don't want to be watched. >> a highway patrol told pete stop your rv. pete is an activist to that likes to videotape encounters with authorities. >> turn that camera off, please. >> how come? >> turn it off for me. >> he had broken no traffic laws but he was suspicion of his big trailer with new hampshire plates. he filmed the encounter. i would like to keep everybody accountable and the police officer didn't like that. another arrived and said -- >> i'm not turning it off. >> you are going to jail. >> the cops grabbed his camera and arrested him and his friend. >> they held us in jail. >> after 12 hours the police let them go.
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>> they charged me with possession of a beer because there was one opened beer. they nothing else to stick on me. >> they couldn't charge him with filming the police because that is legal. just outside my office a cop claimed a bicyclist rolled in to him on purpose and the video showed up and showed the officer was the aggressor. that cop was eventually fired. maybe video like this is why some don't want to be filmed. >> i'm recording what you are doing. >> this is my yard. >> in rochester new york, when he heard a driver stopping outside of the house. she went out to film the encounter. one officer didn't like that. >> i'm allowed to stand in my yard.
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>> i was in cotton pajamas. i don't think there is any faith. >> all i have camera and i'm wearing nothing. >> it does not matter. >> you are going to jail. >> i don't. >> understand the officers took her to jail and charged her obstructing governmentalings. >> did i nothing. >> i think the young police officer is high on his power. >> high on his power is a little harsh. he is doing his job. >> no, it's not his job to take people from their own property and put them in jail. >> john: a month later, emily put the video online. it was viewed thousands of times some viewers criticized the police. >> john: you post it on youtube and they come back. >> in uniform, four officers. >> police showed up outside a meeting and started writing
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tickets for parking violations, like parking 12 inches away from the curb. >> her friend taped that. >> it's 12 inches from the curb. >> the media picked up on the story, police chief said officers' actions were inappropriate. charges were dropped but no officer was ever punished. they never are. even when they arrest news men. just ask. tried to film a police pursuit. >> because it's an act of seeing and you are leaving. go away. >> john: he went away. he moved across the street. then the officer drove up to him there. >> put it down. put it down. >> john: they charged phil with
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obstructing government. >> did you obstruct the government. >> absolutely not. i was probably 1,000 feet away from the officers. >> charges were dropped, the officer was never punished. none of the officers would talk to us. head of one police union, sent us a comment. >> some is a serious safety issue. i am afraid terrible something will happen. >> opposite is true,. >> john: this hijacker rammed a cop car. the officers shot limb and exonerated from murder because he acted in self-defense. some officers understand it's just part of a job to be filmed. >> so let's give three cheers for the officer from oceanside,
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that was the point. >> everyone laughed. but the same politicians oversee a system that does this. >> drug raids happen in america more than a hundred times every day. neil once led the raids. >> you have locked up hundreds of people for drugs? >> absolutely. >> john: you feel good about it? >> we really thought these drugs made people evil. >> john: but ten years ago, he decided drugs do less harm to americans than the drug war? >> drugs are and can be problematic but the policies we have in place to prohibit their use are ten times more problematic. >> john: drug raids as changed. s.w.a.t. team broke into this family's house.
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shot their dog. once inside they didn't find any drugs. the owner was charged with possessing drug paraphernalia. >> we just end up with dogs being shot but kids being shot. we end up with search warrants being served on the wrong home. innocent people on the other side of the door thinking they are protecting their home. >> we should be kicking down more doors. >> paul was a white house drug czar. >> they are not kicking the door koor if somebody is smoking marijuana but they are kicking the door for a violent person. >> sometimes they terrorize people? >> because the accident happened should not be a reason to do away with the program. >> it didn't stop drug use but it created violence. >> tens of thousands of people are dying. >> john: because they get high on drugs about but because
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something is illegal it's sold on the black market. drug dealers can't call the cops if someone tries to steal their supply so they arm theirselves to the teeth. >> people get hurt. >> john: especially kids. drug gangs look for new recruits >> they recruit better than fortune 500 companies. >> he demonstrate how they recruit kids. >> look what i got? wouldn't you like a pair of these. come back and show me again. >> they come back and you are looking good, man. wouldn't you be able to buy a pair of them every week. this is what you could be. >> john: few days later the dealer sees the kid again. >> you owe me when you offered me sneakers, you got my $120, oh
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you don't. here you hold for me. that is all you have to do. you get to keep the sneakers, i got you. if drugs were legal people would assume there would be more than that. >> it is the policy of prohibition that causes the environment. we don't have the kids on corner fifth of jack dan will itself. >> sewed by businesses and safe businesses, there is no violence here because this is legal but there used to be violence in places like this. violent crime is why america ended 90 years of alcohol prohibition. >> we created organized crime. it organized well before prohibition. >> john: here is the murder rate about 80 years ago, it rose when
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alcohol was banned and dropped when it was legal again. >> if we want to do away with drug laws and say let adults do what they do, we know statistically the drug usage numbers are going to skyrocket. >> john: but we don't know that. they would think drug abuse would be rampant. portugal did he criminalized all drugs and the number of abusers did not skyrocket. >> people talk about portugal as a success, it's actually a blatant failure. >> john: we went to portugal. he is just wrong. this man is portugal's drug czar 15 years ago, hair win users shot up on the streets and instead of doing what we've done
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they tried something different. they decriminalized every drug. crack, heroin, you name it. >> it's legalization. we have most drug use in the world. >> it's treated like a parking ticket. people caught with drugs this man found with hash get a slap on the wrist. when the law passed. stoned people ran wild in the streets taking heroin and crack? this woman served in the parliament. >> they take more responsible attitude toward drugs. >> john: despite the freedom. independent studies found that the number of people that regularly do drugs stayed about the same. more importantly.... >> numbers of addiction decreased a lot. >> this woman was openly smoking a joint near police officers. but we saw more public drinking than drug use.
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drug abuse is down say authorities and drug crime is down. >> at first this police inspector had doubts about the law but they say it works. >> and teen drug use is down. >> it brought peace to the debate. >> john: but in america the drug war rages on. >> coming up, another war against prostitution. >> we don't sell access to the intimate self. it creates the idea that human beings are no better than this. >> but the sex workers is saying w ok, guys-- what's next ? chocolate lemonade ? susie's lemonade... the movie. or... we make it pink ! with these 4g lte tablets, you can do business at lightning-fast spes.
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>> john: in these piles of laws, one law that most agree on. the ban on prostitution. sex is okay, money is okay, but sex for money, that is forbidden >> seven women arrested and charged with soliciting prostitution. >> women hide their faces. >> tv reporters treat prostitution like most other crimes. >> we have exclusive pictures as vice cops sent set up a sting. cops posing as johns ealtdz lured five women to the hotel. >> john: even using the yellow pages. think about that. it wasn't difficult for the police to discover the lawbreakers. the yellow pages in my town has 15 pages of so-called escort services.
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police ignore 90% of it. when they do make busts the implication the police saved the prostitute. >> jail may be the safety place they have ever been. >> john: jail is the safest place? i doubt that. >> more importantly, where sex work is legal there is little danger. here in nevada, for example. brooke says sex work is like any other sales job. >> we are entrepreneurs and independent contractors just like any other business. >> she works at the bunny ranch, one of 28 legal brothels in america. >> john: you are pimp. you are exploiting? >> i have a license to do this. 500 women rent out his
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brothels. >> to be bought and sold. >> wait a second. don't you feel demeaned? >> not at all. >> the u.s. state department says selling sex for money inherently demeaning. >> sex is supposed to spontaneous. >> who made the sex laws. >> you do it for money. >> if you model for money. >> sex is more intimate. >> you are still showing your body. you are exploiting yourself. >> i choose to do this. this is what i want to do. >> i assume you had no other options. >> i had several options. before i can this i had a nice paying job. >> these girls can go out dates and give up sex and it's fine. but if guy leaves a hundred dollar bill on the dresser, is something wrong with that?
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>> it's not that complicated to appreciate why we don't want to legalize proog is. >> i put to it former prosecutor? >> we don't sell access to the intimate self. it creates the idea that human beings are no better than slavery. slavery is against the constitution. we find it. >> john: but that is involuntarily, that is forced. >> prostitution is very close to slavery. it's inconsistent with what freedom means to subject humans to market forces. >> john: you lost me there. humans are subjected to market forces all the time. ever see a fashion show? a professional sports draft or a boxing match. >> two people could beat each other up in boxing ring, why can't the girls have sex for money. >> sex is just a job, some better some others. >> a girl at mcdonald's doesn't
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love make goburgers. >> candy dropped out of a college because she wanted to do sex work. >> if i don't like somebody, i don't have to be with them. >> nevada has it right, not all of nevada. in las vegas, it's illegal. >> they have lots of diseases, two million property thefts last year. prohibition does not work. if you want disease and you want money going to criminals, keep it illegal. by keeping this illegal you kill people. people don't get aids tests. they are afraid to report crimes to the police. in nevada, in parts where it's legal, there is no crime. >> oh, please. you can't. >> they do engage it's under ground. >> so people rob banks, too.
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we can't regulate. >> stealing money from people. this is consensual, there is a difference. >> people will want to do things that are harmful to them. >> john: i wish you could talk to the women from the bunny ranch. >> i would be like, i could save you. >> john: the sex workers listened to her comments. >> and they joined the conversation. >> they work in a legal place. they say it's great. >> we like it. if it's your own choice. >> i am happy that you are happy. but the fact that you are having a good time is not an excuse to ignore the harm. tell me why? >> it isn't about you. >> but nothing but happy. i believe the majority of prostitute women suffer.
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i i compromise your freedom. >> so you want to tell everybody in the world what they can do with their own bodies. >> john: senate majority leader agrees. >> the time coming to outlaw prostitution. >> because it's sex. >> relax, just sex. >> even if you support the laws against sex workers, do we need all these laws? so many that no one understands them? so many that the government admits it can't count them all. no, let's get rid of some of these laws. a lot of patients are using toothpaste to clean their dentures. you really want to be careful, you can't use something as abrasive as a toothpaste because it will cause scratches. as a result of those scratches, bacteria will get lodged in that denture and as they multiply in the mouth the odor can get stronger. i always advise my patients to use polident.
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