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need it. these men and women have done all for their country. again, thanks for watching us tonight. please remember, the spin stops right here because we are definitely looking out for you. >> tonight, in a "hannity" exclusive, we reveal the video that by their own admission, friends of barack obama have been keeping under lock and key. the existence of this footage has been the focus of widespread speculation on the internet, and the rumor mill kicked into high gear in c-pac when andrew breitbart said this. >> i have videos, by the way. this election we are going to send him. i have videos. this election, we are going to vet him from his college days to show you -- [cheering]
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why -- to show you why racial division and class warfare are central to what hope and change was sold in 2008. the videos are going to come out. the narrative is going to come out. >>r. >> caller: sadly andrew breitbart is not here tonight to help us unveil this video. but thanks to his hard work, we are able to show you the following. let's go back to 1991 when barack obama was president of the harvard law review. during that same year, obama spoke in a protest, in support of a controversial professor, derek bell. we will dig into the late professor's controversial views. but first, let's take a look at a very rare piece of video. this is an edited portion of the future president's introduction of bell that was released earlier today. >> the black law student who is
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organize an orientation for the first-year students. a lot of punishes who spoke at that orientation was professor bell. i remember going up to the front and not giving us a lecture, but engaging us in a conversation. and speaking the truth and telling us that he -- [inaudible] this place, that i have carried with me ever since. now, how did this one man do all of this? how did he accomplish all of this? he hasn't done it simply by his good looks and easy charm. [chuckles] >> although he has both in ample measure. he hasn't done it simply because of the influence of his scholarships, although his scholarship has loosened up new horizons and changed the standards -- [applause]
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hope up your hearts and your minds for the words of professor derek bell. >> that was the edited version, it did not show that you seconds later barack obama embraced bell before turning the microphone over to the controversial professor. but that was intentionally covered up, according to a close confidente of the president, charles ogletree. but in this latest video, you can see ogles about tree playing an extended version in his lecture in 2011 at harvard university. let's watch this. >> open up your hearts and minds to the words of professor derek bell. >> sean: now that, hug and the president's association with a radical professor like bell is no doubt going to be a hot topic in coming days.
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however, what is most disturbing about this lecture is that he openly admits hiding this video during the 2008 election, apparently in order to protect his friend, barack obama. take a look at this. >> what makes this so interesting when you think about it, of course, we hid this throughout the 2008 campaign -- [chuckles] -- i don't care if they find it now. >> caller: so why did he believe that this footage would embarrass candidate obama so greatly that he chose to suppress the tape? what was he intending to hide? ben shapiro is the editor at large at breitbart.com and the editor in chief. welcome to "hannity." >> thanks for having us. >> sean: there is a lot to this. it gets very. complicated. but i think it's easy to
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explain. we have what was said by -- by then student barack obama. we have who he was associating with, controversial association again, radical, i would even argue. we will get to that and then the effort to suppress the video from the american people, dealing with professor ogletrew tree and the media and what capability they have. joel, we will start with you. tablet background of the story and explain it in your own words? >> well, the real background is that barack obama from his protest and the other events that there exists evidence of and this was hidden for a long time, not just by charles ogletree, but the archive of wgbh, which refused to respond to our request for access. this is not about faculty diversity, this is about derek bell, going to take a voluntary unpaid leave of absence to protest a tenure decision and
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make sure there was more racial diversity on campus. but derek bell was the jeremiah wright of acdiesellia. he had crazy views. two months before this speech was given here, he gave a controversial speech in chicago where he said that america remains a racist country and the civil rights movement was down because white supremacy remains the system and we have to transform that system radically to get rid of racism. those views were well known at the time. this was at any time about a diversity, which is a noble and good cause. this is about radical racial ideology. when barack obama says open your hearts and open your minds to the words of professor derek bell and calls him an inspiration and talks about the scholarship, he's talking about very radical things, so radical that derek bell got into serious trouble when he wrote an essay, a fictional story, called space traders, positing that white
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pern americans would sell black americans to space aliens in order to pay the national debt and jews would let it happen -- >> caller: but wasn't that also in the form of, did you believe those were his views? that was in a book, but it was evil characters making the statements, is that correct? >> certainly, his view of the civil rights struggle. he writes a futuristic science fiction story about race, telling the story of the civil rights struggle. he thinks that white people sold blacks out and jews who pre10ed to be helpful in the civil rights struggle, backed away when they saw it was no longener their self-interest. that's what he believes about the civil rights struggle. he believed it when he was teaching at harvard law school and obama embraced. it he has fights, by the way, with other black faculty member who is said that some of his views were so extreme that they were problematic, this is not about racial diversity or gender diversity. he was the jeremiah wright of
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academia and barack obama embraced him and endorsed his views. >> caller: we'll get to the media side of t. we have another segment as it relates to the media because i think this is a separate issue. one of the things that i tried to do in 2007 and 2008 and i know it was eric rush, who broke the story about jeremiah wright. we followed it and investigated black liberation theology and bill ayers. and in their vetting process, he was asked one time about bill ayers, an unrepentant terrorist, whom he had many associations with, boards, speeches and started his political career in his house. what are we to gain from this, looking at a controversial professor, he's yucker here. is it more controversial that he hung out with ayers and dorn later in life and jeremiah wright? or is this a bigger picture, a
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broader pattern -- >> i think there is something different in time here. ayers associated with one another, they talked with one another. but we don't know what they said or how they felt. obama has made a living disangs himself from people like ayers and jeremiah wright and thrown them under the bus. this is a clean bust. right? he is not saying, i was just sitting in the pews. he's saying open your hearts and your minds to the words of professor derekible bell. if you grg to open up your hearts and minds, we have to look at the words. it's 20 years. it's important to realize that they remained associates the rest of his adult life. he died a year ago. and derek bell was writing op-eds in support of barack obama in the election cycle. >> caller: president obama promised he would be the most transparent president in american history. we have this issue, if we
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remember in the 2008 campaign with the "los angeles times," and they had this video in which barack obama lavished praise on rasheed khalidy, a former mought piece of yasser arafat. so, as we look at this tape and we look at this -- open your hearts and minds to derek bell in this particular case. we will get into more of his background here. what are people to grab from this? more than anything else, is it that barack obama -- seems to always gravitate towards the most radical people? >> there is no question about that. there is no question about that. the other thing that, you know, we are going to talk about, obviously, is the fact that the media coverup here was very real. ogletree's coverup was very real. what andrew breitbart stood for was turning people into citizen journalists. we were not going to allow the
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elite media to tell us what is a story. he said that our job is to vet the president of the united states. that was his job, our job, everybody's job. what is so important, honestly, what is amazing about this video in particular, here this isn't open to anyone. this is not hidden. it was hidden by them. but it wasn't hidden from the media. if the media wanted to do the leg work, they could have found this stuff. meanwhile, they are checking sarar's random emails. >> caller: we will talk about why professor ogletree was bragging, i don't care if they look at it now and sounds like they were hiding it back then and the reasons for that and the media and why they never asked questions about ayers and wright, especially bill ayers, only one time. and what this means in terms what have did they know, when did they know it and what does it mean for journalism and the media in this country? woo we will have more look at
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the exclusive tapes that andrew breitbart had promised. and we will weigh in with the reaction and coming up tonight, you will see two congresswomen confronted on the issue on whether or not there is a double standard, as it relates to bill maher and his donation of $1 million to obama's pac, coming up. you don't often find these things in one place. maybe in vegas, if you know where to look. and us. so come on, give us a whirl. ♪
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to release after c-pac this year. let's go back to professor ogletree. this is what? 2011. this is him bragging, i don't care if they see it now because -- is he referring to having hidden them leading up to the 20 08 election? let's roll tape. >> what make this is so interesting when you think about it, it's -- of course, we hid this throughout the 2008 campaign. i don't care if they find it now. >> caller: so he -- this is important. explain, joel, we will go to you. explain how the media selectively edited this and you were -- you are saying, releasing the whole thing. you are showing the hug that the media doesn't show. you are showing ogletree who is saying, wait a minute, we didn't want to you see this. ha-ha, we don't care if you see this now. explain the media aspect? >> there have been countless biographies and journalistic
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articles and accounts of obama's time at harvard law school. and this speech is referenced in many of them. but nobody bothered, through lazyness or active suppression, to find out what he said and what his connection was to derrick bell and who he is and what he believed. it's just unbelievable. for ogletree to say, we kept this hid nen 2008. pbs says, we aired some of it -- >> caller: i wanted to ask you -- >> they didn't give you the audio. it's a slice-and-dice six ways to sunday to shift your eyes away from the relationship that obama had with bell and the admiration and endorsement. >> the way it worked on pbs, pbs played the clips of him hugging bell, but they blacked out the audio. so you have no idea that obama is saying open your heart, open your mind. apparently, buzzfeed released
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the audio. but it was clipped at the end. so you didn't have the audio and the hug in the same clip. the length they would go, even releasing the story about president obama that makes him look bad, the length the media will go to prevent the whole imagistic truth. when you see him hugging and you hear the words, that's when you get. >> caller: let me go into this more deeply. ogletree is saying what we heard him say here. i don't care if they find it now. so the media's only releasing selected portionsful they don't show the hug or give the context of who professor derrick bell is here. now all of a sudden, buzzfeed released it. breitbart announces it's coming out and now everybody's showing it, but only selective portions. explain what they are missing -- especially? light of all the republicans vetted -- fully. what does it mean that this
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didn't come out in 2008? what else are we to expect here? >> what this means is that there is a well-known history of associations between barack obama and radical figures. and the media at each stage has done whatever it can to suppress it, either they don't report reverend wright's words or dismiss the black panther case. they awls always try to shift it away from president barack obama. we don't want to relitigate the 2008 election. that's not what andrew wanted. he said, we are going to do what the mainstream media has never done, we are going to vet barack obama and the fact that everybody's running around, looking for videotapes, that's what andrew wanted. it's only when you say, we are going to come after you that the mainstream media get off the chairs and say, we have to find a way to spin this before somebody else finds this. >> caller: this wouldn't be a smoking gun, but it would be another brick in the foundation that i think proves a point i tried to make in 2007-08 that
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this candidate is far more radical, now president, as evidenced by the way he's governed and far more than he let on, number 1. number 2, the media never did its job. the media -- if george steph nap lis was on the air, he was at his house. the real issue is the media's culpability, to look into every nuance of republican and every word that newt gingrich, mitt romney and rick santorum have ever said. >> you mentioned the tape, earlier this week, we released a poster on barack obama's name on a poster for a love song. somebody had a tape of the play. she says she won't release it. that's how things are working. one smoking gun here-- the only
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smoking gun here -- there are two. actually, people are covering things up. period, end of story. second -- >> caller: you mean the media? >> and academia by the way. by the way, you notice when he said there, "we" hid this. charles ogletree was a debate coach for president obama. so that warrants an investigation. and the second smoking gun is the ideological question of obama saying, open your heart, open your minds to the words of derrick bell. and it's time foritous investigate the words and actions of derrick bell and how they relate to president obama's ideology. >> caller: we did call professor ogletree, but we have acorn and community organization, ayers, zorn and we are wright and on top of that, we also have very little information about his time in both harvard and columbia and a thesis. the question is, i think the challenge for the media, and
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maybe i was right in 2008 and journalism or old journalism is dead and maybe this is the rise of new journalism, is there a lot more to expect from you? final question. >> oh, yeah. we have plenty more and a lot will be released next week. >> caller: we will beire airing it right here. profess ogletree refused our invitation to respond. we have reaction to these tapes and then president obama ignores a reporter's attempt to ask about a super pac donation from bill maher. but he's not the only one avoiding questions. we have hilarious footage. democratic lawmakers asked about bill maher and whether or not the president's pac should return the mon e. wait until you see them -- well -- not react. straight ahead. the capital one cash rewards card
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oh welcome back to "hannity." it's clear in the tapes that president obama's friends in the media and academia do everything in their power to make sure his past remains unvetsed. the author of the best-seller, culture of corruption and juan williams. michelle, it's interesting, people are writing all over the internet. i took to twitter and i said,
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whoa, this is not a smoking gun. two things were revealed. that's what we discussed. 1 is another radical association of the president. i think that was not vetted by the news media, frontline can claim they ran the tape. but they didn't tron and explain it and talk about who this professor was. and 2, the media does not do their job. i want to get your take on all of this? >> sure. well, briefly, in short, we wouldn't be talking about this if not for the amazing super-natural force that is andrew breitbart. >> caller: i agree. >> one of the singular accomplishments and i said this last week, i will continue to say it as we go through this election of andrew breitbart and the team that has survived him and is now thriving, is the fact that they refuse to cede, c-e-d-e, the narrative to the left. it is about time that we vet the pres. that's a very popular hash hag
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on twitter. i think in a way, the same spirit of andrew breitbart, of continuing to forge a revolution ary faith in new media to push back the warped media. look, this is a guy whose associations with people who believed in liberation theology, as you expose in the 2008 election cycle, sean, and who embraced someone who believe in the radical extreme theory, called critical race theory, which blamed white people for everyone's guilt, which is poisonously anti-semitic and has never been scrutinized, by reporters who will send an army to turn over rocks to try to smear -- >> caller: that's the story. that's the biggest part of this. look, i think the smoking gun, as it relates to president obama is the last 3 1/2 years of his failure. but juan's going to disagree. but here's the important thing. you see the scrutiny of all the
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republicans -- on everything. one question on bill ayers. here's a controversial professor by any objective measure. if the video existed, the media knew it existed, they never put it in the proper context or explain who had the professor was and you have professor ogletree, i don't care if they see it now, we got him elected. >> i must say, i thought this was going to be so much more. i thought this was going to be the smoking gun, as you describe t. but it didn't come to much. you know, i don't think there is much there. >> caller: the pattern of hanging out i. oh, no. -- [overlapping dialogue] >> it's not a secret, if you are talking about who barack obama was as a young man growing up and who his role models were nterms of prominent people in the black community, who were involved in leadership of the civil rights, derrick bell was in the legal defense, that's who he was. he was very much involved, as michelle was saying, in terms of
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a radical race theory. which i don't agree with. this is who he was. he fought in mississippi. that's who the man was. for him to be a role model to barack obama, okay. but i don't know that it's guilt by association. >> caller: i think the question -- >> oh, come on! >> caller: where is the media asking any of those questions? >> i knew about. it you knew about it. >> caller: i never saw the tape. >> no, no, no! i reject this idea that we should shrug our shoulders and buy the buzzfeed line that there is nothing new here. stop it! this is new! they didn't want to talk about it then and they don't want to talk about it now t. do you think this is a coincidence that barack obama has now hired people to put out some 17-minute documentary? this is all about the control of who tells the story. guess what, barack obama! it is not all your monopoly anymore. that's why they are pushing back so hard. >> sean: all right. >> it is not nothing.
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it is very crucial. >> caller: thank you, juan. appreciate you being with us. >> sean: coming up tonight, senator mccain. you are going to love this when we come back. you are going to see democratic lawmakers on tape, confronted on capitol hill about bill maher's pro-obama super pac donation. you will have this hilarious tape coming up, don't miss t. straight ahead. [ male announcer ] if you believe the mayan calend,
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>> caller: welcome back to "hannity." last month, bill maher, the hbo host who, constantly demeans republican women, announced he is donating $1 million to the super pac for obama. yesterday in a press conference, president obama blatantly ignored a question about bill maher. watch this. >> jessica -- >> bill maher apologized -- >>
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>> caller: the host of the big tv hit, can you thinkham, all right. before we get to this. this is great video. here you have everyone in congress, everyone criticizing, you know, a radio talk show host for what he said. the president calls the woman. he got bill maher, who used the c-word describing governor palin and gives $1 million to the obama super pac. we confronted congress people about this issue. >> good question. in light of bill maher's comments that sarah palin was a [bleep] and [bleep], are you going to call on the obama super pac to return the million dollars they got from bill maher? and if not, why not? why are you -- ma'am -- why
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don't you -- quick question. [inaudible]. >> have you put out a similar statement, calling on the president's super pac to return the $1 million that he got from bill maher? why not?! is that an acceptable thing to call a woman? i guess the headline is you are refusing to call -- what bill maher said about sarah palin offensive? >> i am supposed to be in a meeting. okay. >> reporter: i will give you another shot. >> caller: silence. utter silence. >> again, define the rule and i will play by the rule. but all sides must play by the same rule. >> sean hannity, pencils and erasers for a reason. i make mistakes, she make mistakes and probably you make a
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mistake. bill maher, i don't know ifs if that's a mistake, but rush said, i'm sorry. and someone close to me told me tonight, in his heart, he really feels sorry for what he did. in his heart. >> caller: i agree. and i think that's a fact. >> i can't condone what he said. >> sean: guess who is speaking at the radio and television correspondence dinner? >> yeah! >> again, you have the president of the united states, going all the way up to make an apology. that doesn't make sense. why not apol joys to everybody? >> caller: i was at the radio and television correspondence dinner, with all the sanctimonious people, supporting boycotts of rush -- how do they justify using a guy -- >> women's genitalia to be off limits, to anybody -- male, female. male genitalia -- off limits.
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orifices, off limits. what i am saying, play by the same rules. i like female genitalia, but one should not use it for political purposes. >> caller: you say off limit, you want to elaborate? >> no. i sound like santorum a little bit. >> again, the behavior that we have come to now is so low, i mean, every time you go through this -- another notch down. i am like, why is it that we cannot discuss topics like adults and come to conclusions, where we have to go to all of this mud throwing. >> caller: it's hypocrisy on parade. they both condemned rush and far worse language, no apology and $1 million to obama. >> han hark we have gasoline prices. what are we talking about -- birth control pills? we are talking about whether or not a woman is or not a woman of moral purchase. let's have the debates about the
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>> caller: mr. president, based on what you said in the past, yeah, it does make a lot of sense. joining us with the co-host "the five." he deals with bob beckle every day. >> i had the day off today, by the way. beckle wasn't there today. that's i didn't am looking so calm. >> caller: calm, relexed. president obama did say that he prefer that gas price guess up, but more gradually. this is what he was criticizing george bush when gas prices went up and he has an energy secretary who says he wants gas prices as high as europe. he did say these things in the past. >> he said he got his way with cap and trade, energy prices would skyrocket. look, he wants your housing prices to go up because he wants to you buy solar panels and he wants the cost of cars to go up. he wants to you buy a volt. he wants things to go up. when he says he doesn't want it to go up, what about the other
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policies, raising taxes and the things that hurt american families? when you go after oil companies, they pass the cost down to the consumer. a lot of folks have retirement funds in oil companies -- >> the no kwik shop comment. we are looking at a president who is saying, there is no quick fix to higher gas and oil prices today and possibly that's because he wants them to be buyer. but the voters are going to be the judges, that is gas prices are double what they were when this president took office and there have been no energy policies to create a better environment for -- >> caller: but he's also saying that -- we take it 2%, but we have this 2%, that we produce, but we use 20. is that a bad thing that we use energy -- because we are advancing the human condition and making better lives for people not just here but around the world. >> we use fossile fuels.
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we happen to like oil. and president has not accommodated this fact. the administration has made it very clear that they want to urge saudi arabia to produce more oil so that we can have more dependence on foreign oil. >> he is openly hostile to fossile fuel. and look at europe, gorpny, all of these other countries tried green energy. they tried what he is pushing and they are all backing off, saying we cant afford t. it is not working. >> caller: if bragging that we are producing more oil than we used to on private land, that has nothing to do with the administration opening up public land. but my favorite quote of all time comes from president obama. he does have advice on how -- we can get every mile possible out of a gallon of gas. here's his advice. >> you can inflate your tires to the proper levels. and if everybody in america
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inflated their tires to the proper level, we will probably save more oil than all the oil that we get from john mccain and right below his feet there, wherever it is that he was going to drill. >> caller: i think this was on -- get regular tuneups. >> can we use the hot air coming out of the white house? i think we could. >> we were joking earlier, inflate your tires and it's going to be algae that will answer our problems. >> caller: listen, the algae thing ought to be mocked by everybody. >> remember when president reagan said that trees caused pollution and he was eviscerated for that. you can imagine if a republican president talked about pond scum and algae -- >> caller: potatoes are a vegetable. >> and they are bad. >> we are laughing about tbut, sean, i think this is the key focus of the election because this is one thing that consumers every day, in america have to deal with, higher gas prices, you are looking at a president
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who is talking about quick fixes and didn't do what it took to really invoke change. >> he didn't answer the question. >> that's right. guys, good to see you both. coming up, is it appropriate for the president to lecture an american hero, a former p.o.w. on the consequences of war? we will check in with senator john mccain who reacts to the condescending comments. that and much more, coming up next right here on hafnlt -- on "hannity." ♪
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the president's first news conference of the year, using time to target my next guest, senator john mccain and some of the g.o.p. candidate who is have expressed serious concerns about our approach to iran and syria. >> now, what is said on the campaign trail... those folks don't have a lot of responsibilities. they're not commander in chief. and when i see the casualness with which some of these folks talk about war, i am reminded of the costs involved in war. this is not a game. there is nothing casual about it
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and when i see some of these folks who add a lot of bluster and big talk, but when you ask them specifically what they would do, it turns out they repeat the things that we have been doing over the last 3 years. it indicates to me that that's more about politics than actually trying to solve a difficult problem. >> sean: on the right side of the aisle, calling war casual, here to respond is a true war hero himself. arizona senator john mccain. welcome aboard. >> thank you, sean. good to be with you again, i remember in your campaign in '08, there was a certain candidate, perhaps casually, certainly naively said, iran and cuba and venezuela -- they are not the former soviet, they are not a serious threat. who was that? [chuckles] >> i think i know who it was and
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i know that after this president was -- became president in 2009, one and-a-half million iranians were demonstrating in the streets because of a corrupt election and they were chanting in english, sean, obama, obama, are you with us? or are you with them? he refused to say a word of encouragement to those people. and we watched a young women bleed to death in the streets in tescprawn he said, he didn't want to jeopardize his chances of negotiating with the islamic republic of iran. and we know how that turned out. >> sean: you know, senator, you know, you were a prisoner of war nearly 6 years. many involved, you suffer today the impact of your service to your country. we all admire you for what you have done. i have been able to talk to you at length about this.
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nobody talks about war casually. but iran now has threatened a modern-day hol cast, repeatedly saying they are going to wipe israel off the map. they continue to pursue nuclear weapons. the president was wrong about egypt. the islamic brotherhood has been voted in. the rise of islamic extremism around the world. what happens to israel if they get this weapon? >> lobviously, with the iranians, even though the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff called iran, quote, rational, that they are dedicated, as they have repeatedly stated, to quote, wipe israel off the map. here's the problem -- the president's sense, his chairman joint chiefs and then leaks to the media they are urging the iraqis not to attack iran. who does that weaken? who does that weaken? obviously that, weakens the israelis.
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and then, prime minister netanyahu comes here. the president gives a great speech to aipac, as he always does, and yet, does not reassure the prime minister of israel and the prime minister of israel says that israel is a sovereign nation and doll whatever is necessary to preserve their security because they don't have the capability that we do. and they're not going to wait past the time beyond which they have the capability to respond to iran's -- >> they have no choice. what do you make of the fact that this president now has a on multiple occasions insulted the israeli prime minister, his comments that he didn't know he was picked up on mike with nicholas sarkozy -- i have to deal with this guy every week, after sarkozy called him a liar. saying in the white house, you contact me if anything changes. and the 30 time he asked or demanded israel to stop building settlements and a return to 67
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borders, something the u.s. promised israel we would never do. >> they should know the initial demand that the israelis free settlements and no demand on the palestinians, it is not an accident that we are 3 years into the obama administration, and there is no progress on the palestinian/israeli issue. but more importantly, the message being sent in the middle-east today is america is weak. they are withdrawing. and you don't have to worry about the united states of america. sean, when you were very young and inauguration day -- >> sean: what do you mean when i was very young? >> ronald reagan -- when you were a little younger -- >> sean: before the gray hairs that beckle gave me. all right. go ahead. >> ronald reagan was sworn in as president of the nuzz january of 1981. that day, the iranian hostages, the americans held hostage in iran came home. so much of this bears on the
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credibility of the united states of america. and i can assure you that that credibility is not where it was when ronald reagan was president. >> sean: we have the results from super tuesday. i know you are supporting governor romney. he won ohio. but not the margin he wanted. where do you think the race stands as of this moment? >> i think it is inevitable that mitt romney becomes the nominee. i also fear -- and i am not telling the candidate what is they should do -- but i fear it being dragged out to the point where the unfavorables of all three continue up and we lose every day, we lose is a day that we are not competing with the real adversary in november. and it really is troublesome to me. but it is what it is. i hope that we can at least raise the level of the debate and dialo
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