here because we are definitely looking out for you. >> tonight his hip 'cracy at its finest. the first lady makes an appearance on the late show with david letterman. our latest installment of the real obama. we expose the controversial executive order he signed last week that may allow the white house to declare peace time marshall law. but first an interview that will air later tonight on cbs. and the host made comments about governor palin's daughter back in 2009. >> one awkward moment during the game. maybe you stay it, one awkward moment for sarah palin during the yankee game.

during the 7th inning her daughter was knocked up by alex rodriguez. >> how can the president justify his wife appearing on such a program when he was the one who lectured us on civility and invoked the names of his daughters. remember this? >> the reason i called ms. fluke is because i thought about malia and sasha, and one of the things i want them do as they get older is to engage in issues they care about, even ones i may not agree with them on. i want them to be able to speak their mind in a civil and thoughtful way. and i don't want them attacked or called horrible names because they are being good citizens. >> so he doesn't want his daughters being attacked but it's okay for the children of

prominent republicans to be the butt of demeaning comments. speaking of ms. fluke, yesterday the washington times caught up with the former white house communications director, anita dunn and according to various reports she works at the p. r. firm that recommends the georgetown law student. listen to this. >> what role did the white house play in having sandra fluke appear before congress? >> how are you? >> i'm doing great. how are you? >> i'm -- you can call my office if you would like to get an interview, okay? i know i have to go in to cnn. >> how offended are you as a woman that he referred to her as the c woman. >> you can call my office to get an interview which is what legitimate news organizations usually do. >> did you urge him to call governor palin after they called her the c word? >> you can call my office. that's what lithe matt news organizations do. >> joining me now is the vice

president of the young american foundation, and a columnist. welcome to the program. >> thank you. >> the silence is deafening. you, to your credit, are willing to call out democrats about this. first of all, what is so hard in saying that the president, and his pac, should give back the $1 million instead of david axelrod and others extorting themselves with lame excuses or them saying it was wrong what bill mahr said, he shouldn't accept the $1 million. is that what he should do? >> obviously i don't approve of him saying that, that's terrible, we shouldn't talk about women in that way, but it's not the first democratic woman that's been caught on tape. there's a youtube of a couple congresswomen also refusing to. they are happy to talk about rush limbaugh but they will not

talk about bill. i don't have any other word for it other than to say it's simple just to say, of course, you can't call somebody the "c" word. it's obvious to me. >> there are two issues. one is they won't give mac the money they are threading the needle and david axelrod is a smart guy. obama got elected in 2008. it's almost embarrassing him to watch him trying to defend the in defensible. and they are afraid of bill mahr and the far left. and why do they have a problem with michelle obama going on david letterman considering the comments he made about governor palin's daughter and also palin with the salutety flight attendant look? >> i would say david letterman did apologize and gave a pretty good one. you want to raise the issue, you want them to apologize and you want them not to do it again and so far he hasn't done it again.

i think when that happens, like with rush limbaugh, then you move on. if it happens again then you address it again. i don't have a problem with her going on his show. >> kate? >> as i recall, i give you credit for standing up and pointing out hub --, but i remember he laughed when he apologized and since then said ridiculously offensive thing about people like michele bachmann. it's rampant and they won't do anything about it. you pointed out that on bill's show gloria steinem was silent about the vicious attacks against women and yet ann coulter took him on head-to-head. >> let me go through a broader context of liberal hate speech. i'm going to pick on nbc news

because they have been so sacred of conservatives. i don't think -- i wonder why anybody in the media won't and them if they are proud of their brand considering this represents their news brand. let's are roll the tape. >> to hell with the republicans, they are anti-americans. they are psycho talkers. they don't care! harry, you are [bleep]. you won't do it for the american people and shove the republicans into the ditch. sometimes i think they want obama to get shot. i do. i really think that there are conservative broadcasters in this country who would love to see obama taken out. they fear socialism, they fear marksism, they fear that the united states of america won't be the united states of america anymore. you damn right dick cheney's

heart is a political football. we ought to rip it out and kick it around and stuff it back in him. i'm glad he didn't tip over. he's the new poster child for healthcare in this country. he's the enemy of the country, in my opinion. he's the enemy of a country. lord, take him to the promised land, will you? see, i don't even wish he goes to hell, i just want to get him the hell out of here. do you think what they are talking about, like the right winning salute, laura ingraham, yeah, she's a talk salute. >> do you think i would have a job if i said these things. >> no. you asked what they thought. i'm sure they are mortified. >> why don't they speak out? why don't they speak out? >> because they are not at msnbc. >> this is newsprint. wait a minute. they promote that channel at nbc news. >> but that's not -- >> they have center reporters on there all day, and i don't think the cop-out works. just like saying bill mahr is a

coimmediate yen. >> they speak out when conservatives do it. the other side -- re-elected, they say obama doesn't need to comment on everything. he doesn't need to comment when david letterman is offensive to sarah palin and her daughter. well, he does when he needs on one. but the left doesn't do it because they willingly go after conservative women because conservative women represent a tremendous threat to the left because for so long the theft has taken women for granted so they just let them, they let the left go after conservative women and hope they are going to run them out of the arena by just this vicious name-calling. >> and it seems conservative women and conservative african americans in particular are victimized this way. but i have to give kirsten a lot of credit. >> i give her credit too. >> but it's not just

conservative women. hillary clinton was treated extremely viciously by these people, particularly chris matthews. it's really women whenever they feel women are getting out of their place. whenever you are not in your place. >> no, people defended hillary clinton on both sides. they came out, they spoke out against that, and said this is ridiculous. there's no place for this in the media. >> not everybody, though. i think kirsten is right. i hate to agree with kirsten over you, kate. but it's true. hillary's campaign even liked me do during their battle against then senator obama. but that's a story i will save for a book many years from now. guys, good to see you. coming up, nancy pelosi's daughter is out with a new video. this time she talks to welfare recipients in new york city receiving what they call obama bucks. and later it's the executive order that the white house tried to bury late friday afternoon but tonight we call out the president in our next installment of the real obama as the vetting of obama continues

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>> alexander pelosi visited the deep south and showed video of republican voters that many claim was racist in its depiction. this week she hits the roads of her own city to examine democratic voters, particularly ones who are on welfare. watch this. ♪ i'm here trying to get some obama bucks. i'm trying to get some obama money. >> i'm here to get a check. [bleep]. >> i want a check. >> tell me why you like obama. >> because -- who are you going to vote for this election? >> obama. >> why? >> because he's black. >> tell me what you get from the government. >> i get stamps, public assistance -- we call it money in the -- we call it money. >> what kind of benefits are you getting? >> whatever the hell they got to

offer. i don't even know. a check like [bleep], this and that. >> food stamps. it's just food. it's like food. >> when was the last time you actually worked? >> i would say about half a decade. >> you are a perfectly healthy young man. why aren't you working right now? >> because of my background. once you go to jail, it's hard to get a job. >> why should i help you? why should my tax dollars go to you. >> because my an sisters came here and helped build this place. >> what do you mean? >> my ancestors. the place. >> how many kids do you have? >> i have five. >> how many mothers? >> four. >> do you really want to work or do you just want to get a free check? >> i just want to get a free check. >> there's a sign behind you that says waverly job center. do you have any intention to go in and get a job or are you going to just get the food stamps?

>> i'm looking for a job. maybe a career. but not a job. >> it was reaction fox news contributor, and deneen is author of a new back, called blacklash. >> one of the reason i wrote the book is the mentality this is going on because of too many in our country. the attitude of these guys is deplorable. they are happy to be on the government plantation. >> the obama bucks, checks? >> that was outrageous. they are laying around wasting our tax dollars having multiple children with multiple women. this is really outrageous to me. >> it is. and by the way, it's not just obviously with blacks. there are more whites on welfare and there's a lot of that going on too. it's a dependency society. the favorite thing about this, this was on the bill mahr show, and alexander pelosi, nancy

pelosi's daughter, explaining how the executives in new york were upset. >> we have the clip. i will show that. but here's what you are talking about. >> everybody in hbo in new york. people at work said you can't mutt that on tv. somehow you were allowed to do it. but when it was our neighbors it was -- >> wait a second. >> let's talk about the one she ran last weekend. let's say i'm wondering with bill under fire and obama's super pac taking $1 million, if it's related. but this is obama's big donor, bill mahr, a million dollars man. >> i am going to show you this video. she wrote me a long letter explaining this. she did not cherry pick these people. it's in mississippi, it's the poorest state in our union. we aren't making fun of anybody. >> we are in the heart of obama

belt. we believe in adam and eve, not adam and steve. >> whoever gets elected needs to be family orientated. >> god should come in mind and everything he does. >> you never liked the president, did you. >> no, never will. >> why not? >> one thing, his name is obama. >> this is america. our president should be american, not muslim. >> i don't even like it when i see him on tv. i turn it off. i don't like it. >> he's a half breed. he's a half breed. >> i think they came under such fire for this, and mahr's donation to the super pac, why do i suspect that they tried to protect themselves? do you agree? >> if you had done something like this, you would be called a racist. but bill mahr, he's a comedian so he gets away with it. there's no accountability. >> why doesn't he return the

$1 million? >> basically he doesn't have to. hbo runs that show 18, 20 times. they don't have dennis miller on, they have -- >> there's no stand-up on there. >> no, but he doesn't have a regular show every week run 18 times on the network on their various channels or 20 some times which is a propaganda show. third party candidate. but i think if they got to mahr, he was under such attack. this doesn't end. his attitudes, all the things he does, but my question for people is, you know, this isn't free speech. people are paying tore this. >> let me ask this quick because we are running out of time. i think with the president at 41% approval of proving rating. he's afraid of his own base. he needs to get his base riled up. for him to give back the $1 million to mahr means he's going to take a huge backlash from his base and he's afraid do it because he needs that base, and i think the president then

can have david axelrod sound dumb, as a smart guy making dumb comments defending this $1 million from mahr who uses the "c" word against governor palin. >> it's a double standard. what is the surprise? but my point is people is paying for it. it isn't free. people, by paying for their subscriptions to cable, theypy for it. if they didn't pay for it, time warner would get the message. >> but backlash, your new book, congratulations. good to see you. >> thank you, good to see you. >> the president says we can't drill our way out of the energy crisis. a new report may have him changing his tune. and tonight's position as we vet obama. we rereal how a new executive

order gives the white house absolute power over every aspect of your life, even during times of peace. this and our great american panel later tonight. >> our government ought to be open and transparent. transparent. >> i'll make our government open and transparent. >> i want transparency. >> we will do it in a transparent way. >> i will hold myself as president to transpirecy. stry.

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>> tonight the vetting of the president continues as we bring you another edition of the real obama. he shine the spotlight on an executive order that the white house was hoping you never learn about. he signed the national defense resource order friday afternoon. it gives the president of the united states absolute power over any and all american resources during both times of peace and national crisis. it includes, but not limited to food and livestock, water, plants, energy, health resources, transportation and construction materials and gives the government the ability to, quote, control the general

distribution of any material, including applicable services in the civilian market. the white house press secretary laughed off a question about the document at today's briefing. let's take a look. >> online commentary suggests this gives the executive branch the power to allocate energy, food, water in either peace time or wartime and conserve give blogs are suggesting that this is suggests the white house is preparing for war with iran. can you explain what the executive order was? >> i cannot explain that reaction to it. i think it was a fairly standard and routine piece of business. >> everybody is laughing about the executive order. in fact some suggested it would give the president of the united states the authority to declare basically marshall law during times of peace. and to be sure this is simply the latest string of actions taken by the administration that ignore the basic principles of our constitution.

joining me now is jay from the the american center for law and justice and lenny david, fox news contributor. welcome back. >> how are you? >> let's give some history here. jay, we will start with you. this was actually signed a similar national defense resources preparedness by bill clinton. you have similar orders signed by device eisenhower, george w. bush, but there are some differences. there are things of that changed that have brought legitimate criticism and concern. can you go through that? >> i think you are absolutely right. the idea is nothing new. presidents have had this since the 1950s. what is different about this one than the other ones is the definition of national defense. it is incorporated what is called the fafer act but it gives the president more authority than the previous acts. the previous acts didn't give in

top corporation of the stuff ford act, which is a civil situation where the president would have unlimited authority, subject, of course, to checks and balances. we can't ignore checks and balances here. but the definition of national defense is broader than it has ever been under any of the previous executive orders. i think that's the most significant aspect of this. by the way, the president is getting flack from the left and the right. the left said it's preparation for war with iran, that's why he's doing and, and concern about energy resources of our country, and conservatives ever saying it's unchecked power. there's a balance but the one thing that's different is the fact the national defense definition is different than it has ever been ask budder than it has ever been. >> the specific section is 801j, if i recall. >> j, that's correct. >> and why would the president change that definition? you are an expert in media, nobody is as good as you. if you want to release something you don't want people to find when you are in a white house, when do you release it?

lit friday afternoon hoping nobody pays attention to it. >> i used to release things at 10:00 on july 3rd. that was a good time. >> i got it. >> nice to hear you, jay, being your scholarly self. >> you too. >> and i want to compliment sean hannity for the first time in a long time. >> oh, boy. >> of not being slanted and describing it as a bipartisan act that actually goes back to franklin roosevelt and harry truman. >> lanny, we got to that park. you are wasting valuable airtime. >> you won't let me compliment you? >> the second point i want to make, other than sean hannity being a good guy, is this is really not a significant risk to america. i don't know why he made those changes, to answer your question, but there's no risk here because every president needs authority in times of emergency such as a nuclear attack or something that is another 9/11, and this has already been on the books. president obama won't misuse it. the real question is why are the

extremes on the left and the right so quick to jump beyond the facts and look at the worst possible interpretation? you look at some of these -- >> because -- because of the way the president has acted. for example, we have a very specific process for recess appointments. and with the national labor board appointments. the president, remember he didn't go through that process. >> that's right. >> conserve defense like myself, jay, i think would argue the healthcare man date is not constitutional. the cato institute actually has the top ten instances. president has thumbed his nose at the constitution. and so there is a suspicion. jay. >> i think the biggest problem here is context. it isn't a document dump in the sense it comes late on a friday evening. that's an interesting situation. second is the context of the other situations you talk about. the attorney general, the fast and four russ general and then

the attorney general said he was concerned about what the nypd was doing which was clearly within the law and the department of justice has backed off on that, wisely. but you look at the context. and then the definitional aspect. the definition is the problem. i don't believe, and i agree the president can get away with this because, number one, you have a congress, you have an active media, that's why we are here tonight. but you have to ask yourself why this overly broad definition of national defense? why incorporate the stafford act, which talks about foreign and national interests and tsunamis and situations which the president would have control over under normal source but why do you have to expand it in the form of the executive order? that's the concern. executive orders have been challenged before in court. that's the thing here. i don't understand the national defense issue. that's the biggest thing. >> i think with the woodrow wilson, one thing the conservatives have a problem is you believe in the concept the constitution is a living, breathing document, so you can

ignore issues like checks and balances and separation of powers like in the case of recess appointments. i think we are looking at this differently. and that is in this particular case, does it give a president pretty much impunity to do whatever they want? why change the definition considering the president has thumbed his nose at the constitution in the past? >> first of all, my point of view is he hasn't thumbed his nose. and if the affordable healthcare act is unconstitutional. let the supreme court decide that, not jay or mr. hannity. this is hair know -- paranoia that is going on that paralyzes them on the left and right. some of us exchange views in a civil way. but what's going on on the internet and it's line ascy. it's not jay analyzing this calmly. and nobody is mentioning ronald

regular regular began. i'm only says it's the extreme interpretation that causes the polarization in this country. and we shouldn't be contributing to it. >> i say things like republicans want dirty air and water -- >> i i don't like the extreme rhetoric. sometimes the president has gone too far and so has the republic can congress. and when there was a republican congress there was recess appointments, guys. >> not recess appointments while they were in session. that never happened until obama. >> it was one senator. the senator was -- the session was one senator holding the floor. >> excuse me. >> and that was an abuse. >> the constitution says recess appointments only when they are in recess. >> and they aren't in recess. >> coming up, is it possible the president doesn't even know how much the oil actually has? a new study appears to be proving exactly that. we will help the president get his facts straight before he

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>> the president will embark on a multi-state gas apology tour this week. and jay carney was pressed about the real purpose of obama's trip. take a look. >> about this trip, how much of it -- why shouldn't we view it as solely a public relations stop? it seems like the trip is designed to rebut. >> the idea the president focuses on an issue that has a lot of americans concerned i think is appropriate. the idea that he has a comprehensive all-the-the-above approach to the energy challenges i think is appropriate to highlight. >> the obama administration has been distancing itself from the

cost of fuel. and by talking about alternative fuels, my favorite, algae. let me just show candidate obama and talking about algae. i can't go a night without showing it because it really shows a lot. i paid $5.09 a gallon in new york for premium gas for my hybrid this weekend. watch this. >> there are things you can do individually, though, to save energy. making sure your tires are properly inflated. simple things, but we could save all the oil they are talking about getting off drilling if everybody was just inflating their tires? and getting regular tune-ups. you can actually save just as much. we are making new investments in the development of gasoline and diesel and jet fuel that's actually made from a plant-like

substance, algae. you got a bunch of algae out here. if we can figure out how to make energy out of that, we will be doing all right. >> inflate my tires, tuneups, algae. >> can we get real here? what is interesting is what we've seen how the rhetoric has changed, right? drilling used to be a taboo word and now he's out there, going on a tour and he's going to start saying a whole lot of what americans want to hear because they are paying at the pump. and also we've seen it on the rise and they haven't done anything about it. he is spending money on green and algae and -- >> and solyndra, solar, waisted. >> and get with the program. drilling, offshore. we have so much reserves here in the states that we can get to and depend on. >> this is what brothers me because they aren't being honest. he's taking drilling on private lands, which they owe pose, you look at real licenses and permitting and drilling and access by the federal government to drill for oil, that has been

cut in half. >> it's been cut dramatically. the administration pounce on the gulf oil disaster. they pounced on t they didn't just stop deep water, they stopped shallow water and drilling on land. remember during the election process candidate obama talked about drilling on the continental shelf. they flip-flopped on that almost immediately. the billions of dollars being wasted on the solyndras of the world, that's a crime. >> and keystone, rejecting that, how does he justify that? >> that's unbelievable. i don't mean to interrupt you. i don't like that he's out there bragging and saying that they have accomplished more production and those are not federal lands. those are private lands. that is state land. not federal. the federal production numbers have actually decreased. don't get out there and brag. >> and the thing that's very frustrating to me, i look at the price of gasoline, and i tweeted this weekend, i took a picture,

i paid 100 bucks and i got less than 20 gallons of gas in armonk, new york gas station and i tweeted it out. everybody is angry. what has he done for three years? gas prices were $1.70. is he going to blame bush? he should give bush credit for the drilling. but 2008, not a big deal, inflate your tires and offset it. obviously the poll numbers are starting to free fall, and the initial reactions to a president can't do anything about it. now can't do? obviously during the last election president bush was in the pocket of saudis. but he was a texas oil man so we can understand why he wanted oil prices higher. how come it's higher now? >> how embarrassing that chuck schumer is telling hillary clinton to beg the saudis to increase production. how embarrassing. >> not embarrassing but how hip

democrat cal it is. if you think the solution is drilling in saudi arabia, we have the equivalent. there's 200 years world of while we might be sitting on it of. >> he was fine with oil going up and he's changing rhetoric. >> election year. >> exactly. >> he wanted a gradual increases. the energy secretary wants price necessary europe eight dollars, nine dollars, ten dollars a gallon. >> it will hit consumers spending and investments. >> it already is. >> and he's seeing the light bulb and saying maybe rising gasoline prices wasn't -- maybe all my green ideas -- you know what? and now we are seeing a whole thank. >> good job tonight. appreciate it. good luck on your shootout tomorrow. you are shooting on wall street. >> shooting for the members. >> i'm six out of ten. >> all right. >> let not your heart be trillion dollars. >> members handicapped children's fund at the new york

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[chanting] >> was there a tea party convention there? >> no. those were hard-working americans out of work paying five dollars a gallon gasoline of that had it with your president. >> we aren't quite at five dollars, are we? >> i paid 5:09 this weekend. >> that may have more to do with that particular area being cold and other fossil fuels and the obama administering has had the oil industry under attack the last three years. >> did you hear that, bob? >> yeah, i heard it. >> despite what barack obama and biden think, americans aren't stupid. these are average people like me. we go and pay for gasoline, we realizes the prices of extreme. we have friends unemployed, we are suffering through difficult time and we realize we need an administration change. >> i don't understand, i will give credit to bill clinton, surprisingly, bob, he was smart.

he had a sister soldier moment. here the president lectured on civility and tone and talks about his daughters and there's michelle obama on letter man. and there's bill mahr, attacking the children of governor palin, using the c word against palin, and he takes a of $1 million from him. why did he do that? >> i think it will be a great moment for a supposed unifier. saying this isn't about politics or republicans area democrats, this is about everyone. the things being said are unacceptable. >> and bob like biting his cheek. >> i was curious. they talked to me about how the arrange american doesn't have much after voice. go a ahead and let me hear what you have to say about that, mr. harden. >> overall we watched the political pundits and

politicians and we hear all kinds of stories about every subject you can think of, similar to the ones you are talking about. but at the end of the day the afternoon american person is frustrated with the fact that their voice is not being heard. >> i agree with that. but the president of the united states lectures us on tone and civility and takes $1 million of super pac from bill mahr, wouldn't it be a smart thing, won you sit in the white house and say mr. president, give the money back and you won't be looked at like the hypocrite that you are. >> and the rest are taking money from the coke brothers, iranian arms. >> did they call her the c word? >> no but they traded arms with iranians. that's worse: but in any event, joe had a rough day and i feel for him. but he is in the middle of -- >> should the president -- should michelle obama gone on letter man's show.

>> yes. >> a week after he lectured us about his children where letter man attacked governor palin's daughter and attacked governor palin as having a salutety flight attendant look. >> i'm not sure michelle had any idea he was going to do that and if so maybe she wouldn't have shown up. >> she would have to be blind. is this the hope you want to teach children? is that the change you are interested in? >> i think at some point in time we need to do away with the rhetoric and realize we are all americans. >> well said. >> which he hasn't done. >> but you are a smart strategist. you have to admit to put david axelrod, a really smart guy, to put him that a position, i almost feel sorry for david axelrod. >> but axelrod called the republicans $2.50 gallon

gasoline snake oil. republicans are selling snake oil everywhere. do they buy what they say? >> now it's four dollars. it was $1.70. >> it was $1.70 and that was all his fault. that's exactly right, right? >> that was bush's fault. >> let's talk about it when we get back with that young minnesota. >> and more of the great american panel. >> who am i throwing to? >> right there. "plus at scottrade, there are thousands of commission-free investments." "and if i need help, i can find it online, by phone or at one of over five-hundred scottrade locations." "it's why more investors with i.r.a.s are saying.." "i'm with scottrade." ♪ [music] is moving backward. [ engine turns over, tires squeal ] introducing the lexus enform app suite --

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>> we continue with the great american panel. i give him credit, they didn't talk about the -- well, let's roll the tape. ♪. >> that sounds like you an tv. >> what would you say to bob? he's a friend of yours, he's a liberal. what about that appearance? >> i try not to think too much about cee lo green. i saw him one night and hit the fast forward to get through it.

he can barely put together two sentences. >> bob? >> nobody should say that. somebody ought to tell the punk he ought to learn some manners. >> he should apologize for doing that. it's just totally disrespectful. it's a terrible reflection on a president who is calling for civility. but if you look at his twitter page and you look at the profile picture, it's basically a picture of him with blank you behind it. you know what you are getting. >> this goes to the heart of the white house. does anyone not think to protect the people, about the people singing at the events? >> it happens. it happens. >> and find out what the lyrics are and what kind of statement that would make. >> based on the information this hope sent me today, looks like there are two versions of that song. it appears, if you look at the video, he actually asked permission to sing the vulgar version and appeared to have gotten permission from somebody in the room. >> and then somebody in the room said you shouldn't be using those kind of words.

but i was curious. can i ask a question here? >> go ahead. >> this is the frustration level of the american people. i was tucking about denny about this. one reason he started husband blog, because of the frustration of the american people about pundits and politicians. is it severe? or are people getting more optimistic because the obama recovery is hear? >> one of the -- >> whoa, whoa. there is no recovery. his question is flawed. but go ahead. >> the premise is a little off. >> a lot, yeah. >> but we are talking about coee-lo agree on the sean hannity show when oil and gas prices are strangling the economy. and the president isn't doing anything about it. >> no, we did a whole segment on it earlier. >> what is wrong with the volt? >> it's coal-fired. >> we can't expand coal mining, bob.