jon: first day of spring, enjoy it! jenna: thank you jon. thank you for joining us, everybody, "america live" starts right now. megyn: fox news alert. we are ready for spring! on a new and troubling milestone in america's debt crisis. welcome to "america live" everyone, i'm megyn kelly. the number crunchers say as of today, march 20th, 2012, president obama has now added more to the national debt in his 38 months as president than president bush managed to do during eight years in office. the debt rising $4.9 trillion under president bush, $4.94 trillion, already added under president obama. and remember, it was less than four years ago that then candidate obama was saying this: >> the problem is that the way bush has done it over the last eight years is to

take out a credit card from the bank of china, in the name of our children, driving up our national debt from $5 trillion, from the first 42 presidents, number 43, added a trillion dollars by his lone democrats some so we have $9 trillion of debt that we are going to have to pay back. $30,000 for every man, woman and childful that's irresponsible. it's unpatriotic. megyn: joining me now, stu varney, anchor of-varney & company" on the fox business network. irresponsible and unpatriotic. obviously the president is going to get blow back on that now. >> yes indeed. let me be precise president president bush was in house for nine years, he ran up $8.9 trillion extra debt, president obama in office for 1156 days, an extra

$9 trillion in debt, even though he's been in office three years and two months. this president has run up more debt than any other president in history. and has now run up the same amount of debt as george bush did in eight years. if you look to the future, and you look the president obama's own budget, not yet accepted but in place, that budget would add another $9 trillion to our total outstanding debt in the next ten years. the president has failed to control runaway spending which, according to the u.s. treasury, now runs to $112,000 in spending per second, megyn. megyn: but these are extraordinary times, stu, and in july of '08 we were not yet in the midst of the financial crisis that hit a couple of months later and that was in full swing when president obama took over, and there were a lot of independent commissions who said we needed to spend, we needed to stimulus, we needed a bigger stimulus than president obama pushed through and if he hadn't

tkhaupb and hadn't had the -- added to the debt and decifit as he did to some extent at least the financial crisis would have been even worse. >> that's a debatable argument. fact is, that spending did not work, because it did not produce the kind of growth that would allow us to pay the bill that is we've run up. we have only got 2 percent growth in the economy right now, and we still have 8 percent unemployment. that spending back in 2009 was supposed to generate much better growth, a much lower unemployment, and therefore, a lower decifit. it didn't work. so we now have an expanding decifit, a trillion dollars, each and every year, as far as the eye can see and ten years from now we will be $25 trillion in debt. by the way, megyn, at the moment, we are spending $9 billion a week on interest alone on that national debt, and that will be close to a billion dollars a week by this election. megyn: i just want to show the viewers a graph that

backs you up on that projection. this is from the treasury department, and omb. look at the projection, in ten years, as stu says, we're going to be pushing $25 trillion in debt. what does this country look like? i mean, ten years is not that far away. what does this country look like if we are $25 trillion in debt? >> simple answer to that one, we look like europe. we look like europe ten years from now, we look like europe five years from now. we look an awful lot like europe right now. because the interest on that debt is so huge that we're almost at european-like proportions. you don't have to go ten years down the road. look at america today. looks like we're going down the european road very, very rapidly. that's where we are, right now, megyn. by the way, that projection of $25 trillion total debt ten years from now, that is a rosy projection. megyn: that's rosy!

>> that's rosy. that assumes strong rates of growth the year after next and in succeeding years. 4 percent and 5 percent growth. we've never achieved that since 2007. megyn: that is just stunning. it makes your stomach turn when you realize how much red ink we have in this country but the numbers are what they are. stu varney, thank you. you know, it's like our parents' generation, they didn't want to live with any debt and now look at us. you feel like you're passing that down to your kids, don't you? >> in the past hour congress paul ryan announced he has the votes to send his budget for a vote, he says it will cut the decifit to $300 billion from $1.2 trillion in 2015, and he says that he'll call for cuts to medicaid, food stamps and pell grants, a full house vote is expected next week. the senate has no plans to debate that budget. they will instead rely on last summer'sby math san budget to govern this year's

round of spending bills. g -- gop congressman ryan says it will help move america from a dependent culture. >> it's all about tkpwro*efplt it's about growing opportunities, it's about growing the opportunity, it's about lifting the debt, restoring economic freedom, reforming the tax code, so that we can help have our economy reach its fullle potential. it's about turning our system that has become a dependent culture into a upward mobile society, getting people on the lines of self sufficiency. >> the national debt, the national amount of money we currently owe stands at $15.6 trillion. in the past 30 days alone, we have added more than $153 billion to that total. wow. fox news alert out of iran, the country's supreme leader, the ayatollah khamenei, issuing an ominous new threat in marking iran's nuclear, he threatened to launch an attack as

self-defense, khamenei singled out the united states, saying it will match its enemy's force, he used the speech to deny his country is building nuclear weapons but touted iran's recent nuclear achievements made despite crippling economic sanctions. >> president obama using iran's new year as an occasion to speak directly to the republicannan people, he compare tehran's free speech to the iron curtain of communist europe during world war ii. >> an electronic curtain has fallen around iran, a barrier that stops the free flow of information into the country and denies the rest of the world the benefit of interact w-g the iranian people who have so much to offer. i want the iranian people to know that america seeks a dialogue to hear your views and understand your aspirations. megyn: the president went on to announce a virtual embassy for iranians on social networking sites.

>> we're also hearing today some major backlash over an executive order by president obama revisiting -- sorry, should say revising his authority in case of a national emergency. critics worried this could be a white house power grab. jim angle explains. >> reporter: president obama quietly signed an executive order friday night that extends for one year a string of executive orders going back to president clinton in 1994. this white house has been known to release embarrassing topics on such as solyndra friday nights so it immediately generated suspicions the president was trying to expand his powers. >> the problem is there's an appearance of expansion here and i think this is where the white house owes congress and the american people a bit more of an skphraplgs of why now. >> the white house says it was nothing out of the ordinary. >> i cannot explain that reaction to it. i think it was a fairly standard and routine piece of business. >> reporter: one person steeped in the legal basis for such orders puts it this

way: >> all this document is is a plan to make a plan. in case of emergencies, national defense, other kinds of emergencies. >> reporter: some think it's a reference to iran,. carney would only say this. >> we are aggressively pursuing a policy focused on tightening sanctions again iran, increasing the pressure on iran and increasing the isolation of the iranian regime. >> nevertheless parts of the executive order leave some critics wondering. >> if the president can direct private companies, private elements of our infrastructure to give things up or do things without regard to due process -- >> legal expert, however, say it's simply planning for emergencies, using powers originally granted by congress. >> the roots of it maybe go back to world war ii when the government essentially ordered industry to shift from making things like cars and refrigerators to making airplanes, boats, tanks, ships.

>> ron stein says if this or any other president sought to expand his powers he would face huge obstacle. sue: congress would act, private industry or private citizens could take it to court, congress could take it to court. >> our system, rothstein says, has lots of safeguards built into it. in washington, jim angle, fox news. megyn: jim angle, thank you. fox news extreme weather alert for you, brand new video coming out of serious flooding in texas. these pictures from dallas. look at that. as strong storms pound that state, pushing rivers and creeks to their limit. we're getting reports of at least one tornado touching down near san antonio, people are reporting serious damage to their homes. we're keeping a close eye on this, we'll bring you the developments as they come in. >> a top republican has threatened to hold the attorney general in contempt of congress fe fails to provide more information on fast & furious, he feels the

attorney general is stonewalling our lawmakers. the botched gun stunning sting, fast & fious. >> is congressman darrell issa ready to make good on that threat? he is here with an update after the break. >> plus he is one' president obama's top economic advisers but is ge ceo jeffrey immelt secretly rooting against the president in the upcoming election? wait until you hear the stunning new report. and crisis caught on video, a hot air balloon pilot gives his life to save a group of skydivers. now the amazing tribute to him. >> he said a couple of times, he's like, you know, you guys are lucky, you're getting out, but we thought for sure he'd probably just land it down, but there wasn't many landing options for him, either, by the time he had gotten to where we just -- c'mon dad!

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megyn: new developments on the campaign trail today. voters in illinois are heading to the polls right now to make their pick in their state's big primary. we are now learning what rick santorum and mitt romney chose in a somewhat related story for their secret service code names. gq revealed that mitt romney chose jabblin that, happens to be the name of a car built by amc, the car company once run by his father, george, rick santorum paid tribute to his family by picking petrus, he told fox news he chose it because it's latin for peter in honor of his grandfather, pietro, it also means rock. what would you choose? what would your secret service code name be? we're taking your thoughts on t follow me, twitter, megyn kelly. you stick with fox news channel all evening as we bring you the latest results from illinois, along with all the latest headlines from the campaign trail. >> we also have new

questions today in connection with the botched gun running sting known as operation fast & furious -- furious, attorney general aireld holder and the doj releasing thousands of new documents on friday in connection with this investigation. this happens on friday! these so called document dumps they give to the congress. but that is far short of the information the house oversight committee has demanded by subpoena. so where are we now with the concept of congress -- contempt of congress threat hanging out there? joining me the man behind these hearings, chairman darrell issa, he chairs the house oversight and reform committee. mr. chairman, thank you very much for being back with us. >> thank you for having me on. megyn: we're told 80,000 documents remain responsive to your investigation into how we had this botched gun stung sting authorized here by the feds and how many documents now total has eric holder turned over to you? >> about 6000. even on friday, the famous thousand pages, we counted it as about 360 pages.

this is one of the problems, as eric holder before our committee promised us full cooperation, many of the documents we've not received out of that 80,000, in fact, are very specific, an e-mail between so and so on a certain date. we are losing patience because the american people want answers and more importantly brian terry's family, jaim refplt zapata's family, the federal agents gunned down with weapons that should not have been allowed to end up in the drug cartel's hands. megyn: is there a privilege he's asserting? what i've seen in some pressure points, look, if you make us fork over our internal corresponden, it will chill correspondence at the doj, not just in this administration but administrations to come and you can't have congress see everything that's exchanged between the lawyers. is that legit? >> megyn, we very clearly want to respect the history of executive privilege. he's not asserting executive privilege. as a lawyer, you know you don't just make up a new

privilege against embarrassment and to a great extent, the documents we're asking for, more than anything else, he doesn't want to tell us out of embarrassment. but critically, and this is the part we're most upset about, after february 4th where we received an outright lie, a document that had to be retracted that said guns didn't walk, we had to see the documents about who was lied to, whether they were misleading the american people and that's probably the most important part of this that we have to get to, is find out how to make sure the department of justice cannot with impunity lie to the american people the way they did february 4th. megyn: what would be the tipping point in pursuing a contempt of congress charge and isn't it the doj you turn to to hold somebody in concept? >> as a rather arcane system, which if we vote out of our committee and out of the vote it then goes to the

u.s. district and district of columbia. >> and who's his boss? >> well, that's one of the challenges. megyn: eric holder. >> will he respect the fact that he has an independent sworn observation. certainly the history has been and it's rare that anyone in the administration is held in contempt, but the history has been that they eventually comply. the problem for the american people is it's been over a year. brian terry's family and slightly related in a similar operation, jaime zapata's family, they haven't been told virtually anything, and that's not fair. they also deserve to make sure that somebody is overseeing, to make sure that they're not granting immunity to people part of their loved ones being killed. megyn: i know that eric holder has said look, you'll get these documents to the isn't you're entitled to them at some point, but right now we have an internal investigation into fast & furious within the doj, our inspector general, cynthia schneider, she's looking into t. she's got

the documents, trust in cynthia. do you have reason not to trust in cynthia? >> we do. she actually released tapes that were not hers to release and released them to the object of one of our investigation for, in fact, what we believe to be unlawful conduct, but more importantly, she's had a year. after a year if an i.g. hasn't issued a preliminary report, hasn't seen that someone is prosecuted or fired, you have to ask how long does it take to find out who lied to congress, how long does it take to find out who lied -- by the attorney general's own statement a dangerous and reckless program, if you can't find one person accountable in a year, are you really trying? >> megyn: mr. chairman, thank you for the update. we'll continue to follow it. >> secretary of state hillary clinton, lending support to a new expedition to find ameala heir heart's

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years ago this friday, president obama signed his health care bill into law. vice president joe biden telling him at the time it was a big bleeping deal! i don't even like it when we had that description. it could come out and your career is over. we shouldn't put it in the prompter! the white house says there are no special ceremonies scheduled right now to mark the day. recent polling finds the majority of americans continue to think that part or all of this law should be thrown out and by the way, the u.s. supreme court takes up the challenge to the health care law next week. newly released video captures a life and death moment in a tragic hot air balloon accident this weekend, cameras rolls as a group of skydivers parachute to safety but the tkpwhraopb's pilot credited with saving their lives did not survive. you see this all on camera. trace gallagher, live in the

west coast newsroom where why he is called a hero. >> reporter: nothing at first seemed like this flight was dangerous, the pilot, ed ristada, you can see him putting hot air into the balloon and the atmosphere seemed playful, the skydivers were kind of messing an and more importantly, this sky was very blue. it was a dot on the radar at that point but it mushroomed into a maintenancor storm. the ground control tells them they need to get the skydivers out but he can't because he's over power lines and trees and spots a field and says go, go, go. >> oh my gosh. >> go on, you got it. >> i didn't see any urgency in his voice up until maybe just the last point when he radioed back up and said it looks like it's turning into a storm, get your jumpers out and get down. >> by the time we got up into the canopy we realized

we were getting close to that storm but it started whipping the canopy around. >> go on, you got it. >> ready, set -- >> >> reporter: so you heard what the skydiver said, i want to go back if i can quickly to the guys jumping this out of the balloon. play this again if you will. >> yeah, we don't have it. here's the deal. you heard those skydivers say -- there it is. >> ready, set -- >> >> reporter: you heard them say it was rough, right? well, it was even rough on the way down. i want to show you if i can how this all happened. what happens is after the skydivers get out you can see the cool air coming down, the warm draft coming up -- going up. what happens now is the balloon gets caught in one of the updrafts. he could go up as fast as 90 miles per hour. he went all the way up to 18,000 feet and he was on the walkie talkie with ground control the whole way. in fact when the balloon collapsed and started to

fall, he kept talking to the ground, until he got to 2000 feet. that is when his last transmission was. listen again if you will to the skydivers. >> if anybody could pull it off, ed could pull it off. he's been in the skydiving community a long time and ballooner for decades. i've seen the man land in a field surrounded by trees that had just enough room for the tkpwhraopb to fit down in it. >> but he couldn't land that one. one of the sky divers said had he known how bad the situation was he would have strapped the pilot on to him, jumped out with him on his back. didn't work out. they found his body three days later. megyn: that is chilling tape. trace, thank you. wow. well, in other news, with gas prices reaching now a new record for the month of march, president obama is headed out again on an energy tour that includes a stop at what would have been a main link in the keystone

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megyn: we have new developments with a florida man who tweeted about quote killing cops during saturday's occupy wall street protests. he's calling the whole thing a misunderstanding. his exact message, "we won't make a difference if we don't kill a cop or two." oprah winfrey's network just laid off 30 workers. it has struggled to gain viewers since its launch and canceled rosie o'donnell just last week.

gas prices are sending drivers south of the border to fill up. the quality of the gas can be lower and some experts say using it could void your vehicle's warranty. if gas prices hit a new record for the month of march, now at $3.87 a gallon according to the department of energy as president obama plans to take his energy message on the road again. one of the stops, curbing, oklahoma, where pipes that would be used to build the southern part of the keystone pipeline are stored. interesting choice since president obama denied a permit to build the northern part of the keystone pipeline and hayesen a lot of incoming for that decision. joining me, leslie martial and

lars larson. mitt romney, one of his joan or advisors said it's hypocritical and ironic seeing the president try to take credit for the gains we have made against the back drop of the biggest oil storage project in the world. why would he call attention to keystone? >> he wants to quiet down the talk that he killed those union jobs that would have happened with keystone. that's not very green either. the president is also ignoring the fact this country runs on 18 million barrels of oil a day. we have to have fuel to run this country. price isn't the only issue. obviously it's important because it's vacuuming billions of dollars out of the pockets of consumers. but instead we are being told we don't need to drill. this policy seems to be all of the above and none below. what we have below is a gold

mine in this country. we have natural gas and oil. we have coal, and this president wants to ignore all of that and push us towards alternatives that are not ready to supply what we have. megyn: this was not a necessary stop on his energy tour. i'm sure he was advised you might want to skip his particular spot. it's going to lead to segments like this on tv. people talking about keystone which has been a controversial decision. why is he doing this? >> what i would love if lars on the left and the right, look at the facts. if we had every single available drilling option in america operating and the keystone pipeline, it would affect gas prices by 1 to 2 cents maximum. the price of gas is determined by the market. the market is international. foreign demand for oil is up,

domestic demand is down. talking about jobs, lars, no question, is there a union job in but this is not the president saying no and no forever. we talked about this last week. this is about wait, in certain states whether it be oklahoma, nebraska, et cetera. republican governors have said i'm concerned about what chemicals we have, the level of toxicity. 40,000 american workers a year are affected by various chemicals, whether it's cancer, neurological problems. we can't just say for a quick buck and jobs today we'll forsake what we are doing to our future tomorrow. megyn: the nebraska governor took that position initially but then reversed himself once the pipeline had been reright -- and then rerouted. >> that's one person.

megyn: but you keep citing that one person. >> he did change his tune on that since last week when i said that. but you still have to know what is in there and what is the level? is in a toxic level? it's not just about the state of nebraska, it's about americans affected not just by the water but by the air. and god forbid we have another disaster, another spill, another explosion. >> we have some of the strongest environmental protection laws in america at local and federal level. all of these companies doing these projects have to meet all these standards. this president doesn't want oil. the proof of it is in the statements of the president, his energy and transportation secretaries. oil drilling the last three years of the obama administration on private land is up 14% because of the demand leslie mentioned. what she didn't mention was drilling on federal land where it pays a royalty to the u.s. tadges pairs is down 6%.

this president has done everything he can to kill drilling on lands that his administration controls. leslie, here is the other national security issue. we may end up with some kind of war or disturbances in the middle east. if iran were to close the strait of hormuz, then we might not be worrying just about price, we would be worried about being able to get oil at all. if you want to crash an economy, that's the way to do it. when the american economy does take off. are we going to try to run an economy on $6 and $7 gas like the president has wished for openly and his energy secretary wished for? megyn: people say with keystone we wouldn't have it immediately. but when you talk about international demand and speculators driving up the price of oil. would they be able to drive it up as high if we had more domestic options? doesn't that play into the psychology? >> i'll agree with lars on one

point. one of the reasons the united states -- there are a lot of people -- when people like israel say we are going to attack iran. you have got to sit down and say chill out and listen and what we are looking at is the united states pressure against iran and the international community certainly affects the international market and the price of oil. and the world knows this. iran is constantly threatening to make attacks on shipments or to close the strait of hormuz though american military and the top brass says we are not going to let that happen. that's currently affecting the price of oil on the international market. no question. if there were an attack, god forbid, if there were an attack on iran or an attack on ships in the strait of hormuz or an international took prevent it, i think we would see more drilling. in 2000 we had 700 drills going. we have 1,900 going today. >> on private land.

megyn: thank you both so much. we are getting reports that one of the president's top jobs advisors is secretly rooting for mitt romney to win the white house and is unhappy with the president's economic decisions. pro union demonstrators in wisconsin end up in court after ignoring police and refusing to leave the capital. but wait until you hear what they offered as a defense to their conduct. a "kelly's court" classic next hour. >> like i said earlier, i thought it was an appropriate forum to address our government. it's my understanding. i habe a . i toog nyguil bud i'm stild stubbed up. [ male announcer ] truth is, nyquil doesn't un-stuff your nose. really? [ male announcer ] alka-seltzer plus liquid gels fights your worst cold symptoms, plus it relieves your stuffy nose. [ deep breath ] thank you! that's the cold truth!

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network. president obama tapped jeffrey immelt to be one of his top advisors. as you a lifelong republican he took the job telling friend hoped to moderate some of obama's policies. that was three years ago. >> charlie. you write this piece which is getting a lot of attention. you are telling jeffrey immelt you see paraded out there with the president many times is not an obama support per and is supporting mitt romney secretly. why? >> i should point out jeff immelt was not only my boss. i wawsd to work for nbc. a decent guy. i have known him for a long time. i think he took the job for two reasons. yes to help ge.

the second part is he felt like he wanted to give something back. he wanted to be part of an effort to show obama who clearly has -- i don't think this is a political statement. he has anti-business instincts. and i think three years into it. first he was part of that advisory panel on the economic recovery falling into financial collapse found it his $job czar. he feels that whatever advice he's giving is falling on deaf ears. the president is who is and he's not having much impact. megyn: why doesn't he say it publicly or abandon his position. >> ge makes a lot of money off the largess of obama economics. the green energy stuff they do gets subsidized by the

government. megyn: is president obama going to change his policies if jeffrey immelt says i don't want to be in this position anymore. >> anyone who runs a major company doesn't want to get in the cross-hairs of the federal government. ge took money from the bailout. there is a way of look at dodd-frank when they are considered a systemically important firm. you know what that means? extra regulations. megyn: when you say he's anti-business. you are talking that's i am melt's perception. >> it's the perception of the just about every businessman i talk to. megyn: in what way has i am melt upset. >> the tone. he put this in the report. the tone is bad.

megyn: immelt put it in ge's report. >> he says businesses are being attacked left and right and it's counterproductive. i think it's the tone but it's also the policies. this is a president who wants a tax on the usage of oil, cap and trade. not to mention his tax plan and the fact he wants to raise taxes on upper-income americans that hits small businesses. this is not someone embracing business. megyn: apparently you reached out as any good reporter would to ge and a spokesman told you your reports are ludicrous, the private criticisms of president obama by jeffrey immelt are ludicrous. >> that and a dollar 50. megyn: you stand by your report? >> i have more than one good

source. i have several good sources. the ludicrous part is the denial. megyn: because you say -- >> everybody that knows jeff immelt knows he feels this way. megyn: i think it will come as surprise to a lot of our viewers. i am melt paraded out there with president obama as the jobs guy. i might's a good deal if you can get it. and it doesn't -- they don't look like they are partisan opponents. >> you have never seen two ceos who hate each other hug and shake hands. he's good at keeping his cards close to the vest. megyn: do you foresee him coming out between now and november, immelt, i may or may not want this job anymore. but i support mitt romney. >> i think there is a good chance he will come out and say

i support mitt romney. i just know the guy. -- he's not like an adam smith type conservative but he is a sort of right of center on economics. megyn: call back the person to told you your report was ludicrous. all right, charlie. always a pleasure. thank you. it was 16 months ago the democrats had one of the worst mid-term elections in modern history. a new book takes us inside the white house during that critical point in time with an eye-opening look at who the president blamed for that loss. and here is a hint. it has to do with the channel you are watching right now. and secretary of state hillary clinton trying to help solve one of the biggest mysteries of the 20th century. what happened to amelia earhardt.

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>> around the world lady bird and her crew, ready for an adventure no one has tried before. amelia earhardt out to circle the world at the equator. megyn: secretary of state hillary clinton is lending her support to solving one of the most enduring mysteries of the last centuries. what happened to amelia earhardt. she disappeared 75 years ago while trying to become one of the first women to fly around the world and a new search

effort is getting organized. >> reporter: 75 years ago the u.s. state department supported amelia earhardt's flight. so now secretary clinton and the u.s. government are going to help out a privately funded effort to find amelia earhardt's plane. the search will focus on an island they think she crash or crash land on or near. a photo shows what some believe is a strut or a wheel of the lockheed plane she was on. that twin engine plane right there. search teams will sail on the 70th anniversary in june and use high resolution sonar which scans objects using sound, then turns those sound waves into digital images. if they find something interesting they will send down

a remote controlled submarine to check it out in full color. secretary clinton says today she thinks it's worth it just to go down there and look. remember the theory is noonan and earhardt * survived before the water washed the plane and them into the ocean. unclear if secretary clinton will get in the submarine and do some searching. megyn: we are six days away from one of the most critical supreme court cases being heard in modern history. see the stack of papers? that's the number of the legal filings on the case before the lawyers even show up. gregg jarrett next on the epic legal battle. protesters found guilty of disobeying police and refusing

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gregg, the amount of paper even for a u.s. supreme court is staggering. >> reporter: can you imagine reading all this stuff? this is bigger than your senior thesis in college. six hours of argument, more briefs than any time in history, and those friend of the court amicus briefs. here it is, a stack 3 feet tall. you are talking 8 million just for the paperwork. day one, is the case premature? the tax penalty isn't due until 2015. should this case be delayed until then in that likely won't happen. so the supremes go to day two. does congress have the power under the commerce clause to force people to buy a product insurance because those people exist? the government claims taxpayers and the already insured are forced to absorb all the cost of the uninsured, that's $43

billion per year and that they say substantially impacts interstate commerce. opponents say congress is not regulating commerce, they are forcing people to actively engage in commerce and they have no right to do that. then you get to day three. severability. if the mandate is struck down. what about the other provisions. covering children, preexisting conditions, eliminating life-time caps. the court has cleared most its calendar so they can begin writing these historic opinions. megyn: we know the supreme court justices will never read these stacks. their brilliant law students, you have to be number one to be accepted as a supreme court

clerk. it reminds me dr. seuss saying that's why my belief is the shorter the brief is the greater the see you of the reader's relief is. any clues as of now as to how the justices will lean? >> reporter: past could be prologue. kennedy, roberts and scalia have voted in the past to give congress broad regulatory authority under the commerce clause. don't automatically assume those four conservative justices will reject this healthcare law. it's possible the liberal justices will vote to uphold the law. but for the sake of argument let's assume the four most conservative vote to overturn the law. that leaves anthony kennedy as the swing vote. george washington university professor used to clerk for anthony kennedy. he says based on kennedy's past

writings he thinks that kennedy will vote to uphold the individual mandate. so it's anybody's guess. megyn: the arguments are shifting as we go into the 11th hour. having set through a lot of those arguments you can tell a lot by how the argument goes. we'll hear a lot more from our reporters who will be inside the court. >> reporter: we'll be covering it on fox news radio. megyn: we'll play all six hours. >> reporter: we are on fox radio. that's for sure. megyn: look at the shadow on his face. look how much paper there is. it has been two years as of this friday since the healthcare overhaul was signed but the white house has no plans to mark the event, at least not as of now. what is deght attention is part of a new campaign documentary that talks about president obama's mother and her insurance

coverage. >> he knew from experience the cost of waiting. >> when my mom got cancer she wasn't a wealthy woman and it pretty much drained all her resources. >> she developed ovarian cancer and never really had good consistent insurance. that's a tough thing to deal with, watching your mother dive something that could have been prevent. i don't think he wants to see anyone go through that. he remembered the millions of families like his who feel the pressure of rising costs and a fear of being denied or dropped from coverage. megyn: the president's campaign team put that out. now there are questions about whether that is blatantly misleading. we'll explore that just ahead. it was 16 months ago democrats had one of the worst mid-term elections in modern history.

now a new book takes us inside the white house during that critical point in time with an eye-opening look at who the administration blamed for those losses. chris stirewalt is our fox news digital editor on foxnews.com. president said it had been a shellacking for the democrats. now we are learning from david corn who he blamed for that shellacking and what is the answer to that? >> it starts with an f and ends in ox. fox news gets on the list of what the president says is part of the problem. it's part after general complaint the president has had since he took office about cable news, about the punditsphere that he says distort the public's view of his policies and the reason they are not more

popular he always claimed is because of a media echo chamber. megyn: there were a time when and his emissaries attacked fox. but this business about the public being deceived instead of legitimately disagreeing with him on the issues. on the healthcare law people would love it if only they could understand it better. >> that's what the president said publicly. this book gives insight what was being said behind closed doors. but he publicly gave us this insight after a historically huge defeat. and the blame he placed on himself was he needed to do a better job explaining and selling and focusing on the politics. and it took us aback. i think for a lot of people who are analysts and watchers, wait signals immediately was that the president was not going to be moving to the middle, he was not

going to take that shellacking as an encourage to the come to the center, but instead he would redouble his efforts to sell the same policy. megyn: is there any danger to the president? i'm told this is a positive book, the author likes president obama. but is there any danger in that sort of a message in an election year trying to shift the blame to the news organization, to the voters for not understanding, we have seen shifting the blame to the prior president, do people -- are they affected by it? or the republicans aren't going to like it because they don't want to see bush blamed. and the independents will make up their own minds. >> most americans have enough good sense to ignore what politicians say about each other. they are wise that way. but there is this. if you blame too much, if you complain too much you get seen as a whiner, voters don't like that and we have seen in fox

polling again and again, people think that it's time for the president to take ownership of the problems as they are and move ahead. and that includes even folks who like him. megyn: chris stirewalt, thank you, sir. we are hearing reports that two of usama bin laden's former wives are causing some terror of their own in a cat fight with each other. what happened inside a pakistani prison next. new polls show a majority of people think america is fair and decent. but when asked how the administration sees america there was a different response. >> reagan will tell you it wasn't his rhetoric. it was his policies. his policies that were rooted in the greatness of our country. and of course what that means is it was rooted in the american

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megyn: we are getting reports from overseas that two of usama bin laden's former wives entangled in a violent prison brawl with each other. the international terrorist killed by an elite team of navy seals. his wives and eight of his children transferred to a pakistani prison. that's where we are told his youngest bride went eight with her 61-year-old counterpart. reportedly calling her a slut and a traitor. the fight triggered by suspicions the eldest wife leaked the whereabouts of the usama bin laden. apparently throws two never got

along. -- these two never got along. >> we have a president who doesn't believe america is a source for good. ronald reagan quoting the shining city on the hill to president obama we are a source of policy that required this president to go around the world and repeatedly apologize for america and what they did -- what we have done in this world. ronald reagan would never apologize for the greatest country in the history of the world. [applause] megyn: santorum is enjoying that husky voice thing. that was former senator rick santorum speaking yesterday in dickson illinois.

a new poll show most americans agree with him that this country is fair and decent. 64% of americans say they think we live in a fair and decent society. 26% disagree. but the majority of americans believe that president obama sees this country as unfair and discriminatory. what's up with the discrepancy? scott rasmussen and michael reagan. do you see -- let me ask you, scott. you find that the majority of americans still believe in this country and believe it's a fair, decent, non-discriminatory place to live and work and make your life, but they don't believe president obama feels that way? >> that's right. this finding suggests that people are sceptical about too much government in terms of

efforts to remake society because when you think society is fair and decent you want government to support that society. if you think society is unfair and discriminatory then you are saying government needs to come in and redo the whole thing. a lot of people are sensing that president obama feels a need to remake society. americans still do believe as ronald reagan did that america is the best and last hope for mankind. that government is not the solution to the problem, government is the problem. but it starts with this attitude of how do you see society, then you decide what role government should play in that society. megyn: it' interesting to listen to rick santorum. because he was trying to make a juxtaposition between the way your dad felt about america and how this presidential candidate says our current president feels about america, talking about how the president has repeatedly

apologized for america and said ronald reagan would never apologize for the greatest country in the history of the world. is that true? >> that is true. look where he was. ronald reagan my father saved 77 lives at the rock river there in dickson illinois. look how ronald reagan was raids. dickson, illinois, small town, midwest, people proud of the work they did, proud of their families, proud of their heritage and country. look at barack obama. church with reverand wright for 20 years, he hates america. sal aelin ski. -- saul alinsky. he took the bust of winston churchill and said get this thing out of here. he gave a speech about the problems of america, apologizing for america. ronald reagan always uplifted

america. he was our cheerleader. that's what america is looking for now. a cheerleader. megyn: it's possible for 46% of those polled to say they think president obama believes america's unfair and discriminatory but to still believe that he loves america. you can't necessarily jump to the one conclusion from the other. off course, those are separate questions. what the people think the president views is a society that needs a lot of work because of its discriminatory tendencies. nobody, not enron ald reagan would say america is perfect. but another difference, ronald reagan was always resistant to the idea of getting the u.s. involved militarily overseas unless u.s. vital u.s. security interests were at stake. americans are you be comfortable

now that we seem to be getting involved more and more in policing the world and interventions in different spots around the globe. megyn: the thing about the apologizing. we did research on your dad, did he do a lot of apologizing for america when he was in office. you are right. he did not. and said that he often said he would not apologize for the united states. june 4, 1983. under this administration our nation is through ringing its hands and apologizing. america and our allies in the cause of freedom have never been perfect but we have nothing to apologize for. in the last 3 1/2 years we quit apologizing and we are standing up and being counted. we have taken off our "kick me" sign and we are proud of our way of life. that kind of talk tends to inspire a lot of people. >> what he was talking about was

jimmy carter who started the process of going overseas and apologizing for the united states of america and blaming america for all the woes in the world. my father was very upset. when my father passed the largest tax break in american history in 1981, i was talking to a friend of tip o'neil's and i was talking about my father being a cheerleader. why did you sign on to ronald reagan's tax break in what did he say to you when you went up to the white house. what did he say to you to get you to turn around. he said ronald reagan never spoke to me at all about taxes. he talked about greatness of america and the greatness of her people. two old irishmen had a glass of wine, shared a few jokes. how could i not support that man who so loved the united states of america. that's why ronald reagan is held up and revered by all running

for office because we love that cheerleader and we miss it. megyn: michael, thank you so much. scott, thank you as well. we are getting our first reports of a major 7.9 magnitude earthquake that hit near acapulco on mexico's pacific coast. we are getting reports that the quake shook buildings in mexico city. roughly 200 miles away. we'll update as we learn more. what should have been a simple memorial to our 34th president turning into taken allout feud went eisenhower family and one world famous architect. a fourth grader overcoming her fears and preparing for her first launch off this ski jump. ♪

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megyn: iran is doing its best the spread its propaganda around the globe. now it's doing it in our own backyard. adam housley with the frightening messages being broadcast. reporter: hamas and hezbollah already operate in south america. but there is concern this will stoke more anti-americanism. anti-west and anti-west. iran state tv says the channel will broadcast 24 hours a day, 7

days a week with programs targeting his and i can people around the world. he visited chavez and castro in cuba and ecuador. the tv that was shut down by chavez and iranian broadcasters like channel one based here in l.a. due to pressure and threats from iran. >> they have an important common denominator. so the company is helpful for them. >> you should ask the societies

why aren't they stopping the money movement and the financial relations between iran and other countries. >> reporter: the iranians broadcast in 25 different lang waings. they have six satellite networks aimed at areas outside its borders. the british shut them down and some people are saying the west should do the same with the span tv by scrm belling the signals. because they say they are going for hearts and minds in our own backyard. megyn: the quake that hit near acapulco was centered several miles unground. what will be you are favorite video of the day. a 4th grader goes viral with a

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popular tourist spots. buildings in mexico city were also left shaking as terrified residents powered into the streets. mexico city's mayor tweeting about the incident to warn folks. we'll stay on it as we get more information. this friday will mark two years season the signing of the president's healthcare overhaul. but white house says it does not have anything special to mark the big event. what is getting attention is part of that 17-minute so-called documentary they put out last week. the president's campaign did, it's narrated by tom hanks and it's supposed to mark the president's first term in office. fact checkers at post say the healthcare message concerning the president's mother is misleading. >> he knew from experience the cost of waiting. >> when my mom got cancer she

wasn't a wealthy woman and it pretty much drained all of her resources. >> she developed ovarian cancer and never really had good consistent insurance. that a tough thing to deal with watching your mother die of something that could have been prevented. i don't think he wants to see anyone go through that. >> he remembered the millions of families like his who feel the pressure of rising costs and a fear of being denied or dropped from coverage. megyn: joining me now, andrea tantaros and bob beckel. now, "the washington post" says this gets three pinocchios. why? what's misleading about it? >> it talks about his mother not having health insurance coverage, but they don't use the

word health insurance, they just say coverage which is different from what barack obama said in 2008. in 2008 he said that his mother did not have health insurance and went on and on here. for my mother to dive cancer at age of 53 and have to spend the last months of her life in a hospital room arguing with insurance companies. he says there is something fundamentally wrong with that. megyn: he suggested she had a preexisting condition. that's why she was arguing with insurance companies on her death bed. ad says he knew from experience the cost of waiting. then cuts from president obama when my mom got cancer she wasn't a wealthy woman and it pretty much drained all her resource. "the washington post" is saying she had health insurance

coverage. >> all she had to pay was the deductible and out of pocket costs. what is in dispute is disability. megyn: is it true they led us to believe the mother did not have health insurance and that is one of the prime motivations why president obama understands what americans are going through. >> i guess it's in the eyes of the beholder. i'm misty eyed listening to it. the question here is -- is it misleading to say health ibs? there is no question there is a disability claim here. there was a preexisting condition. a doctor suspected but did not say to her. it was several hundred dollars a month. they said you are not getting disability because you had a

preexisting condition. she said they never told her that. megyn: that's normally something separate. >> the same company had a health insurance policy and it paid 80%. they didn't pay the 20%. and other out of pocket expenses and they denied that. megyn: are they playing fast and loose. the post suggests they are trying a bait and switch on the viewers to make them believe she didn't have health insurance coverage and that's why we needed that law for people like her. >> the president once said this drained all her resources in 2008. this woman was making $82,000 a year. she didn't have any savings. they are trying to say this is why she died because they didn't have health coverage. in thed a michelle obama says this all could have been

prevented. her doctor asked her to go get a d & c. but she didn't go do it. she was too busy. they said this could have prevented it. by the time they discovered it it was stage 3. megyn: what does it say this is what we do? we are talking about it, what kind of insurance did the mother have? was it disability or was it regular health insurance? >> the fact is i didn't know the post had become a conservative magazine since i left town. this fact is -- you may say it's misleading to say health insurance. she lost her job. that's that's why you have disability insurance. she was not -- she did not have the money to pay those extra bills every month. it's as simple as that. republicans will say it's

misleading and frankly it's a little bit on the edge. >> it's the post saying it. it's different from the story he told in 2008. they have not even used the word health coverage. >> that's the shocking thing that a politician on the stump might exaggerate the story. >> i think at this point democrats don't want to appear denying any woman anything. that's why valerie jarett had an open ed out today -- an op-edout saying how good obama-care is for women. megyn: this was a huge piece of legislation to get through. and the president has nothing on the schedule to reference it. it wasn't mentioned in the state of the union. has it been a success for them? >> they lost the message.

the republicans ran it into the ground and before they could recoup which is amazing since they should have controlled it. polls showed people were turning against it in large numbers who knew nothing about it but all those people showed up at those town hall meetings in the summer and the implication of 2010. democrats got skiddish about it. but they better not sphwet skiddish now. you have got an advantage. mitt romney also called for snagsal mandates. so you have got the best opponent. >> i agree with you on that second points. that will be tough if mitt romney is the nominee. you can have the best message strategy in the world. if premiums are going up by 10% it's hard to message that. megyn: we'll see the supreme court take this up. this is big. this is the biggest case they had in years. the decision will come out before he runs for reelection.

if he wins -- does he run on it then? >> sure. the supreme court -- if they vote this down 5-4 it will be a decision like gore versus bush. it will be political decision. >> the mandate is the glue that hold the whole thing together. if you take away the mandates obama will have to go back to the bill and revisit it. megyn: if they uphold the law does he tout that to the american people. i know you want it repealed but too bad with the supreme court sided with me. >> if the supreme court votes for him he can say that. and he can say thank you, governor for your help. >> it won't soft problems with obama-care. you will still have rising premiums and costs going up for families and employers stopping coverage.

>> they haven't told their story. thank you very, very much. thank you very much. megyn: in just a few short hours. want to get you back to the news on this massive earthquake rocking one of mexico's biggest cowerrist spots. acapulco -- biggest tourist spots. buildings in mexico city 200 miles away left shaking as the terrified folks powered into the streets. folks trying to assess the damage. we are told there is no tsunami warning or anything of that sort as we get more on this we'll bring it to you. but we have this.

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megyn: back now to this earthquake we are hearing about in mexico. acapulco hit by an earthquake. we can't see much in terms of the damage other than some folks walking around trying to get the lay of the land from the look of it. folks never know what to do. feel out what the damages and

try to find your friend and relatives. this happened in the last hour. president calderon sent a twitter message saying there is no serious damage. the mayor said he surveys the city from a helicopter and he saw no damage. "kelly's court" is back in session. the court case that came out of these protests in wisconsin. remember these? that first guy with the drums ended up being arrested with a host other people. they were charged with disobeying the police and refusing to leave the capital. they went to court. here is just one argument they offered in court as a defense. >> when he's trying to close the capitol you would concede he's

doing his job. >> nea tempting the close the capitol, yes, in removing protesters, forcibly, no. >> how would he have done his job in closing and securing the capitol if you would have remained inside. >> until we got bored and left. i'm a busy man, i have multiple jobs and i go to school. i would have got bored and left. megyn: you have got to love him a little. until i got bored. joey? you tell me. is the cop had no business throwing me out because he should have waited until i got bored and left. does that defense hold up in a court of law? >> not entirely, megyn. they were convicted. a jury did its job. i respect the jury process. however, i would argue jury

nullification. i know they are not widely liked and respected. remember this. we are a society that is founded upon discourse. had it not been the boston tea party, 1773. we protest against the taxes, leading to the american revolution. there has been a lot of civil disobedience that led to positive things including women's sawnch. megyn: let me ask about this. i thought one of these witnesses proposed a plausible defense which is inconsistency in enforcing the orders to leave. listen to this sound bite. >> was it your belief at the time that you made the decision to stay that you had ability to do so? >> to stay? yes. >> why was that?

why did you think that? >> again just like damon testified, in my mind we were conducting official people's business it's our first amendment right to do so. it's a rule that the building closes and the chief mentioned he has been flexible in that specific rule. so i guys was hoping that he would be flexible again and allow us to continue doing our business. megyn: look how flexible the cops looked. didn't they have reason to believe the chief would be flexible again. >> the jury heard that argument and rejected it. joey's argument and his client left me as confused as a homeless person on house arrest. joey's claiming that the law should be ignored and a jury should have nullified, literally

ignoring the law. the bottom line is they were on the sidewalk that would be one thing. but they were closing down the capital. they announced to every one there, time to leave. they didn't arrest all the protesters, just the 13 that remained against law enforcement order. i'm a huge freedom of speech advocate. but these folks violated the restrictions imposed pop them. >> the penalty is a $200 fine. if you are a reasonable advocate. the question was, should it be enforced consistently and evenly. if the chief was enforcing it in a disparate manner -- >> everyone who remained in there was arrested. everyone who left before, they weren't arrested. very evenly enforced. >> we are a great country because of the first amendment. megyn: don't you think this is a slap on the wrist? $200, pretty good. >> they did great.

megyn: it is a first amendment right to protest. but it's also a first amendment right to get arrested and stand by what you did and wind up paying a $200 fine.

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