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arguments are over and the fate of obamacare lives in the hands of the nine justices in the highest court of the lan. on this final day of the debate, inside the chamber of the u.s. supreme court, the obama administration likely needed a miracle to save its individual mandate. however, the performance of the government's legal team was met with fierce opposition from the justices. and that included justice scalia, who explain to the deputy solicitor general that as the mandate goes, so goes obamacare. >> can i -- can you give us a prior case in -- that resembles this one in which we are asked
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to strike down what the other side says is the heart of the act? and yet leave in, as you request, leave in effect the rest of it? have you another one? >> there is no example -- to our -- that we have found that suggests the contrary. it's really a case of first impression. >> i don't know another case where we have been confronted with this decision. can you take out the heart of the act and leave everything else? >> sean: notul justices were so blupt, particularly the one who was the solicitor general of the had the, who inexplicably has to recuse herself. she said whatever part she could from the health care law that she helped to craft, regardless of whether or not the mandate survivors. >> the question as always -- does congress want half a loaf.
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is half a loaf better than no loaf? on the exchanges, it seems a perfect example where half a loaf is better than no loaf. the examples will do something, but not everything that congress envisioned. >> sean: we have all had a bad day at office. but the solicitor general's performance comes after a major fumble on tuesday. yesterday was so laughable that the rnc felt compelled to put together this video. >> case 11398, the department of health and hur man services versus florida. >> for more than 80% of americans the insurance system does provide effective access. excuse me. because the... the... excuse me.
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>> sean: ouch. no matter what the supreme court decides, team obama has to be pretty nervous tonight. my next guest was in the courtroom for oral arguments today, minnesota congresswoman, former presidential candidate michele bachmann. how did you get this ticket to be in the courtroom today? a hot item in washington? >> it is a hot item. everyone wanted to be in the courtroom. i was thrilled that i was able to get it. the speaker of the house had very few tickets. he gave me one of the tickets and i was grateful to be there, particularly for that exchange from justice scalia because ultimately he came down special said is that, as he sees this, when you remove the heart of a bill, which is the funding stream, the individual mandate and you leave the insurance industry completly holding the bag on all of these very expensive requirements and then not allow them to raise rates, they will go bankrupt. and that's the issue that we are looking at here.
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this would be a forced collapse. and it would be just an economic disaster that would be racked across the united states. >> sean: there were moments yesterday and moments today where -- i mean, you hear the term laughed out of the courtroom, where this literally happened. yesterday, the issue was whether or not this was a tax or a penalty. and then you literally had justices cagan and stevens try to bail out the solicitor general. then today, it was justice scalia going on. are you say thawing really believe the court's going to go through this entire 2700-page bill? this is, you know -- is this not totally unrealistic was the phrase he used? and there was laughter in the courtroom. how bad was it while you were in there? >> well, there was laughter because what justice scalia brought up is, if you pull out the individual mandate, the funding stream, the fact that just because we breathe as americans, now the federal government will force us to buy an insurance product where they set the price, by the way.
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what he was saying is that he and his clerks will have to sit around and look through the 2700 pages and decide what stands and what falls. they essentially said, thanks, but no thanks. and so, it seems the better answer is either the bill will stand or the bill will fall. it's clear, 72% of the american people want this bill to fall. >> sean: let's go through just how bad this was at different moments between yesterday and today. we could literal spend the entire night going over some of the -- let's just say, failing arguments of the administration, which i think in many ways shows that the obama administration is once again in over their head. but here's some of the highlights. and they had all of this time to prepare and didn't come off very well. listen to this. >> we don't -- >> what happened to the eighth amendment? you really wantitous go through these 2700 pages -- [laughter] --
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>> and do you really expect a court to do that?! or do you expect us to give this function to our law clerks? is this not totally unrealistic that we are going to go through enormous bill, item by item and decide each one. >> why do you define the market that broadly, health care? it may well be that everybody needs health care, but not everybody needs a heart transplant. not everybody needs a liver transplan. >> that's correct. but you never know -- >> could you define the market? everybody has to buy food, so you define the market as food, therefore, everybody's in the market. therefore, you can make people buy broccoli. >> no. >> can the government require you to buy a cell phone because that would facilitate responding when you need emergency services, you can just dial 911 no matter where you are? >> no, mr. chief justice, i think that's different. i don't think we think of that as a market. this is market regulation.
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and in addition, we have a situation in this market, not only where people enter -- involuntarily as to when they enter and won't be able to control what they need -- >> it seems to me that's the same as my hypothetical. you don't know when you are going to need police assistance. you can't predict the extent to the emergency response that you will need. and the government provide its. >> i thought that was an important part of your argument. >> sean: you lich to this about broccoli, do you expectitous go through all 2700 pages and then justice kennedy, viewed as a swing justice, asked can you create commerce in order to regulate it? and he spoke about the dramatically altering the relationship between the people of this country and their government? >> well, that's right. one argument that the government was trying to make is that somehow health care is uniquely different. government can force us from
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inactivity -- not buying a health insurance -- to making us buy one. and the point is, health insurance is not uniquely different. it is still an activity that some people choose to engage in. but 40 million people do not. and the premise was made that people don't buy insurance because they can't afford it. that's not true. there are people who just decide that they want to roll the dice and take their chances, that they won't need to have health insurance. the other thing that they confused is the fact that they equate health insurance with health care. that's not true. this is not a unique thing where the government can overstep the bounds of the constitution and force us to do something -- >> sean: let me ask you one last question. it's often the mistake of people to listen to the arguments or the questions by the justices and then come to the conclusion that they figured out which direction they will rule. are you confident, having the opportunity to have -- had the
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ability to sit in that courtroom, of the outcome of this case and what the justices, where they will come down on this? >> i wish i was. i am very nervous because so much is at stake. truly the hinge of american history is going to change, depending on what the outcome of this decision is. very soon, the judges will lock themselves behind a door. they will make this decision, very soon. then they will assign the opinions. so this will happen very, very soon. and then we will find out the end of june. >> sean: all right. thank you for sharing your experience today. we appreciate. >> it thank you, sean. >> sean: coming up, democrats use the tragic death of trayvon martin to call attention to themselves. >> travon was hunted down like a rabid dog. he was shot in the street. he was racially profiled. >> sean: are comments helping to fuel teams in miami to respond
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to violence as they did at this convenience store? up next, hear from the former naacp leader, calling on jesse jackson and reverend sharpton to tone down the rhetoric. his message and much more coming up tonight on "hannity." omnipotent of opportunity. you know how to mix business... with business. and you...rent from national. because only national lets you choose any car in the aisle. and go. you can even take a full-size or above. and still pay the mid-size price. i could get used to this. [ male announcer ] yes, you could business pro. yes, you could. go national. go like a pro.
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the police station. his hands were cuffed. while initial police reports stated that he was bleed from this back of the head and the nose, you cannot see blood in that video. however, we do know he was takenned to in some capacity, by medics at the scene of the shooting before arriving at the police station. also tonight, abc news is report that this lead homicide investigator in the case was unconvinced by george zimmerman's story and filed an affidavit recommending that he be charged with manslaughter. but the state attorney's office instructed him not to file charges. zimmerman claims he killed martin in self-defense. left-wing permits and members of congress are using the tragic death to spew highly inflammatory rhetoric. a lunch lady and her husband have been forced to flee their apartment because 18 years ago, her son briefly lived with them and his name happens to be william george zimmerman and a california man tweeted out that
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address and it was re-tweeted by speak lee to his quarter million followers and here's how abc news recounts zimmerman's description of his call to police. the guy looks like he's up to no good. he looks black. here's how part of that call actually happened. >> this guy looks like he's up to no good or he's on drugs or something. it's raining. and he's just walking around, looking about. >> okay. this guy is white, black or hispanic? >> he looks black. >> now, they forgot what the operator said and after critics blasted nbc's version of the call, the story has been changed to reflect reality. joining us now are c.l. bryant, creator of the documentary, runaway slave. juan williams, has written a new column about the case. you know, i am looking at the headline on abc and from what we have heard, their headline is --
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reverend, that trayvon martin video shows no blood or bruises on george zimmerman. they are looking at a distance from him in a police video, after he had been treated by medics. does this sound like the media is looking to spin this? >> well, yes, of course, the liberal media particularly is always looking to spin t. but this is one thing we do know, that justice will have her way in this particular case. but, sean, this thing has turned into a real mess. and if we don't allow reasonable heads to prevail in this, this powderkeg can truly plode in florida. >> sean: reverend, you said that reverend jesse jackson and others are exploiting trayvon martin's tragedy to racially divide this country? >> and they have been doing that for a long time. it's odd that here in the year
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2012, we are still having conversations that we could in fact talk about in the 30s and 40s and 50s. the neighborhood that this happened in is not a rockefeller-type neighborhood. i think the 47% white population is there. you have the rest of latinos and blacks. so it is not what it's being portrayed as. however, this is a very tragic and very difficult situation. >> sean: very tragic. >> that's why reasonable men should, in fact, prevail. >> sean: we have to get to the facts. what bothered me here is a rush to judgment. now we know there are eyewitnesses. we didn't know in the beginning that there were witnesses from the first night who said that trayvon martin was witnessed on top of george zimmerman, punching him and beating his head into the cement. that's now on the record as testimony that has been given. we don't know exactly what happened. and i don't think we should rush on to judgment.
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juan, you are quoted in an op-ed in the wall street journal -- what about other young black murder victims, you wrote? you said, nationally nearly half of all murder victims are black. the overwhelming majority are killed by other black people. where is the march for them? >> 90% of black people in this country are killed by other black people. as far as a daily tally of carnage in chicago, philadelphia, baltimore -- it's unbelievable. some of the stories don't even get in the paper. they say, it's these gang-bang kids shooting each other. that's the real tragedy. i don't know why the civil rights leadership doesn't respond to that crisis, but they are all running to the trayvon martin case. i agree it's a tragedy and i disagree with you, by the way, i think the video is pretty explicit in showing there was no gash to the back of the head -- >> sean: wait a minute. you can't see -- either he got medical help --
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[overlapping dialogue] >> you could see -- >> sean: we will find out from the police -- we don't know. >> right. but the point is -- lap. >> the point is, this guy ignores directions from the 911 call to leave the guy away, stay away and he brings a gun to the party. >> sean: his best friend and others are saying in the police report, he was walking back to the car -- and we don't know! >> we don't know. but what we do know -- [overlapping dialogue] >> sean: let me play a tape of, you know, i found the comments of congress -- we all agree that we need to get all the facts here. i said this from day 1, in the end this might turn out to be the mind-set of george zimmerman, which thought he saw a young man that he wasn't familiar with in the neighborhood, reaching for his waistband and you may think, trayvon is thinking who is this
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guy chasing me? that would make this a tragic accident. but listen to how irresponsible, members of congress on the house floor, earlier today. >> trayvon was hunted down like a rabid dog. he was shot in the street. he was racially profoiled. >> just because someone wears a hoody does not make them a hoodlum. >> i really, personally believe this is a hate crime. >> by next week, we are looking forward to getting $1 million for the capture of george zimmerman. >> jeb bush helped pave the way for this senseless tragedy. >> this investigation is laced with racial profiling, lies and murder. >> he was executed for w-w-b in
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a g-c, walking while black in a gated community. >> let's not play this double standard of trying to demonize who is dead. >> sean: we have bounties. we have convictions in the court of the media personalities. we have political blame going on. why even have a trial based on what some members of congress are saying. why even bother. let's convict him on the house floor. >> you know what, sean, this is a moment -- when every black parent in america worries about their child being mistaken in this way for some kind of -- >> sean: i got that. we don't know -- juan, wait a minute. we don't know the facts -- how about before members of congress and leaders and media personalities, before they convict on national tv and on the house floor, how about we have the facts before they go there and bring up racial implications that we don't know exist from a guy that we hear is
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helping to educate -- >> they are playing politics with this. sean, this particular crisis will not go to waste. i don't want care how you said it, how the media spin thow i talk about it, i believe they have found something now. it is tragic as it is. regardless of even though we don't know the evolving story, this particular crisis will not go to waste. and if it is not resolved, i assure you that those on the left will use this as a talking point to attempt to talk this president right back into office by placing fear, hist earia in the minds of people, as juan said, who are already concerned about their children. >> sean: we have a lot to get to tonight. thank you for being with us. when we come back, we have miami
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teens walking out of school. we have a video of them ransacking a walgreens, as you can see right there. they go into the walgreens. we are going to show you that tragic video in and of itself, in response to the trayvon martin shooting. we will have that coming up. also, we will be joined by marco rubio. will he be endorsing on this program? there is speculation he might. [ male announcer ] any technology not moving forward is moving backward. [ engine turns over, tires squeal ] introducing the lexus enform app suite -- available now on the all-new 2013 lexus gs. there's no going back. see your lexus dealer. on december 21st, polar shifts will reverse the earth's gravitational pull
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>> sean: there is no better way than to describe my next guest than a rising star. from the moment marco rubio took the center stage, america and the g.o.pmplt party took notice. he is here tonight with perspective on what lies ahead for the republicans and much, much more. florida senator marco rubio. goody to see you. >> thanks for having me on. >> sean: i watch what is happening in the country right now, and i have concluded this one thing. we are all paying very close attention. i think this is a defining moment. we have a supreme court debate. very profound issues in terms of the economy, unemployment, record debt, foreign policy issues. the country's divided. i think one of the real reasons, it seems the administration is -- that's their strategy in
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many ways because they can't run on their record. >> yeah, that's right. this is a president that can't run on his record. if you look at everything, the home prices are down, your gas prices are up, unemployment's up, the debt is up. so this is not a president who can run on his record. so you want the election to be about other things. one of the things the president's made a deliberate decision -- is to deliberate divide the american people in a calculated effort to get to 50% plus 1. the quicker we can get the campaign focused on the president's record and the alternative that we offer, the better off we are as a movement and the better off the country's going to be. >> sean: how concerned are you because the question is coming up, the longer this drags out -- meaning the republican primary -- that might make it more difficult for the eventual nominee. do you agree with that argument? >> no, i don't have a problem with primaries. but i think we are at a stage where two of the candidates have openly admitted, the only way
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they can win a nomination is to have a floor fight in tampa in august. i don't think there is anything good about that. there is no way that a floor fight at the convention in tampa in august is a recipe for a win in november. on the contrary, i think it's a recipe for disaster. i don't think that's a wise route. i think all the candidates have a lot to be proud of, but it is increasingly clear that mitt romney will be the republican nominee. >> sean: up to this point, you had not jumped into the primary race. are you endorsing mitt romney then? >> well, i am going to endorse mitt romney not only because he will be the nominee but he offers at this point, a stark contrast to the president's record. look at the president's record. he has run the country, not very well the last 3 years and has no experience beyond that. at the same time, he has no experience with the private sector or the free enterprise system. in mitt romney, we have an alternative, in addition to being successful as a governor, has also been successful in the
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private sector and has a very clear alternative to the direction that the president's going to take this country. all the candidates have offered a lot to the debate. but i can't buy into the idea that by their own admission, they are saying the only way they can win is a floor fight in tampa in august. i think that's a recipe to deliver four more years to barack obama and our country -- forget the party -- our country cannot afford that. we have to come together behind who i think has earned the nomination and that's mitt romney. >> sean: your name is often mentioned, senator, as somebody that would be on anybody's short list, and now tonight, have you endorsed mitt romney. have you spent any time talking with him -- and how well do you feel you know him? one of the issues that came up in the campaign that there was some doubt among conservatives. you have been a strong tea party advocate and the tea party loves you, supports you. your name keeps getting mentioned --
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>> three things about that, sean. the first thing is i have known mitt romney since 2007 when he first ran for president. i have had conversations with him, never about vice-president or anything like that. we have discussed that extensively, you and i, on the air. here's what i would say to people who are concerned. number 1, this primary's been excellent because it's made the candidates take very strong positions on issues we can hold them accountable. vizero doubt of two things. number 1; that mitt romney will govern as a conservative and number 2; that he will be head and shoulders better than the guy in the white house. this election is not any other election. this is a fundament choice between the identity of our nation, if we have four more years of barack obama, tell potentially redefine our nation from the american century. >> sean: having asked you that question a number of times. i am not asking to you commit
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tonight, but does it give you reason to pause or at least leave open the door that, you know, if your country and if a presidential candidate calls on you because they are asking to you serve because they see the leadership qualities in you that maybe you don't even see in yourself, do you think you have an obligation to leave the door open? >> well, as i said, i am very honored and privileged to serve this country in the united states senate and to represent the state of florida in the united states senate. that's where my heart and mind and focus is. i don't believe i will be asked to be the vice-presidential nominee. that's not what i intend to be and what i want to be and that's not what is going to happen. i will work very hard for mitt romney because i think he will offer a very clear alternative -- he is already offering a very clear alternate testify a disastrous presidency. i know that we get overheated in politics. i have no animosity toward the president, who by all accounts is a very good father and a very
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good husband. but he's not a very good president. he's a disastrous president, taking our country in a way that will fundamentally take us back in a way that may take a generation to undo. so we have an obligation to ensure that barack obama is defeated and we put in place policies that will allow this century to be an american century. >> sean: we did have a funny moment together. we were speaking in napeles, florida and you introduced me and i was 5 minutes late. i said, i'm sorry, excuse me, mr. vice-president. i don't know if you remember the reaction, but it was one of -- i believe it was a standing ovation. >> yeah, look, i'm always honored by that. you know that. we have a lot of work to do in the senate. god willing in november, we will win the white house. >> sean: senator, appreciate it. senator marco rubio, endorsing governor mitt romney tonight. coming up, the passenger who helped to subdue the captain on jetblue flight 591.
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and we will have another guest here as well who was on the flight. hateful left-wing rhetoric resurfaces with news of dick cheney's heart transplant, so much for civil discourse. we will play the tapes and get reaction. michelle malcolm is next. and chantix worked for me. it's a medication i could take and still smoke, while it built up in my system. [ male announcer ] along with support, chantiis proven to help people quit smoking. it reduthe urge to smoke. some people had changes in behavior, thinking orood, hostility, agitation, depressed mood and suicidal thoughts or actions while taking or after stopping chantix. if you notice any of these, stop taking chantix and call your doctor right away. tell your doctor about any history of depression or other mental health problems, which could get worse while taking chantix. don't take chantix if you've had a serious allergic or skin reactioto it. if you develop these, stop taking chantix and see your doctor right away as some can be life-threatening. if you have a history of heart orlood vessel problems, tell your doctor if you have new or worse symptoms.
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>> sean: it seems like old habits die hard. the left is at it, this time, slinging vitriole at i familiar foe, dick cheney, as he refers from a heart transplant he received over the weekend, liberals have been piling on, including those in the mainstream media. you won't believe it. take a look. >> some may find it surprising that someone cheney's age, now 71, would be getting a heart transplan. >> talk to me about this list and how it works? >> it's -- people say it's unlikely that a 71-year-old jumped the line.
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but nonetheless, this has raised a lot of moral questions about whether the vice-president, in fact, should have received his heart ahead of other people. and raising the question, how old is too old to receive such a precious transplant? >> there are some critics who are asking if cheney should get a new heart at this age or if he got preferrential treatment. >> 71 years old, some people have raised eyeblows. >> it's on the edge. we think of 70 as being the cutoff. >> joining me with reaction, michelle malcolm. i didn't see many of these critics. i see that the media -- critics say, it's been reported by -- and without giving any specifics. the only people that i see that are critical here seem to be the media. >> yeah. that's the coward's way of trying to shirk accountability for thoughts that you have in
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your own head. there are probably legitimate public policy questions to be asked. when they talk about it out loud, of course, they are proving that people like sarah palin were right all along, raising questions about how the liberals want to deal with health care and this is exactly what the kind of rationing that she has worried about with the death panels. but setting that aside, of course, we know that so many of these celebrities and so-called neutral journalists for all of these far-left outlets, actually wish death upon dick cheney. you see it in the filthy web sites and liberal blogs, the outlets that have had dick chain netheir sights from the day he took public office. >> sean: let me go through some of this. >> sean: we had some montages here. he had five heartas attacks, starting when he was 37 years
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old. he has been on this list for 20 months. in 2010, he had a pump that was added, knowing that he had congestive heart failure. but that doesn't stop the left from this kind of vitriole. >> damn right it's a political football. we ought to rip it out and kick it around and stuff it back in him. i am glad he didn't tip over. he's the new poster child for health care in this country. he is an enemy of the country in my opinion, dick cheney is. lord, take him to the promised land, will you? i don't want him to go to hell. i wantt him to get the hell out of here. >> andrew breitbart, are you kidding me? >> the man is on the court, i hope his wife feeds him eggs and but ther and die like many black men do, of heart disease. that's how i feel. >> i don't think viany jesse
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helms defenders here. >> not me. i think he ought to be worried about what is going on in the good lord's mine. if there is retributive justice, he will get aids from a transfusion. >> sean: i think, you can imagine if you wrote a column, neon radio or anybody on fox news, wishing any prominent liberal death? what would the reaction be? >> our careers would be over. i think this is a very important point. you just listen to all of that filth spewing forth from these people on liberal hate talk radio. i mean, the vitriole is seeping out of their sinuses and their pores. yet, we are the ones who are always attacked as the haight mongers and the racists and the people who ought to be our speech shut down and criminalized when you and i, every week, deal in serious, substantive policy issues,
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questions of integrity and character and corruption. if we said the things that those people say every day and get away with, we would be gone in a new york minute. yet, they have entire organizations that are based solely on trying to bring each and every one of us down. >> sean: very well said. by the way, we do wish the vice-president a speedy recovery and hope he's out fishing very soon. good to see you. >> most certainliy. take care. >> sean: it was chaos in the skies over america yesterday after a jetblue pilot told passengers that a bomb was on board, they should pray for their lives. coming up next, the retired police officer who helped subdue the crazed captain, plus a passenger that a lot of you fans at fox news will definitely recognize, a former colleague, our friend, all coming up next here on "hannity." [ justin ] my first car by justin l.
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outburst triggered chaos on board jetblue flight 591. this is cell phone footage of the captain being restrained by passengers. the 12-year veteran stormed out of the cockpit. eyewitnesses report that he attempted to forcibly enter and up on a bathroom stall and then began to shout about a bomb being on board and calling on passengers to pray for their lives. now, today, the pilot was suspended and charged with interfering with the crew. he remains under medical supervision at this hour. hear with an eyewitness account of what happened, somebody who helped the troubled pilot from re-entering the cockpit. a hero, paul bobokitas and a passenger on the flight. lori, good to see you. thank you for being with us. paul, i understand you were the hero on this flight. thank you for all you did yesterday? >> thank you for your kind words, but to clarify, i think everyone on the flight were
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heroes. without the cooperation of the other members on the flight that we all pulled together. we were able to contain and control the situation, as well as the passengers throughout the entire aircraft that didn't panic, which was exacerbated the problem. i think that's what contributed to a safe landing. >> sean: lori, you were in the fourth row and right there where all of this was happening. what was going on from your perspective? >> from perspective, i knew something was terribly wrong when i saw the captain of the plane run from the back of the plane to the front, screaming. and he began banging on the cockpit door, trying to get in. that's when he started yelling, you could tell he was highly agitated, saying let me in, pull the throttle back. we have to land this thing. at that point, two flight attendants, one male, one female, tried to pull the captain away from the door. that's when our hero, paul and the other group of men sprang
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into action, got up, took care of this guy, got him down and got him restrained, literally within a matter of about 30 or 60 seconds. it was a miracle. paul is a hero. >> it was really teamwork. we had the right composition on the flight. he was screaming, say your prayers. when i heard that, when we were physically up with him, is he really okay or not okay? when he started to khalid al-sayah your prayers, i made to a decision and i said to the guys, after i identified myself and my credentials, i said, we have to take him down. we pinned him on the ground. we insured that he did not move. >> once he was pinned down, all the passengers remained remarkably call calm. a few people were crying. but honestly, i can speak for myself, i felt like, okay, they have him down -- we are out of a crisis situation.
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and, you know, for the most part, the rest of the passengers were very calm. in fact, when it was over, we were all high-fiving and clapping and exchanging stories and saying, well, we wonder if we are going to get a free flight from jetblue out of this. >> sean: i give you a lot of credit for having a sense of humor -- >> well, you have to. >> sean: maybe they will throw in peanuts. you never know, lori. literally, paul, and for all of you on the flight, thank god everything worked out well. thank you for what you did, paul. lori, we miss you. it's good to see you. thank you for being back on the program. >> it's great to be here. good not to think about the alternative right now. thanks, sean. >> sean: good point. >> thank you for having me. thank you. >> sean: thank you. let not your heart be troubled. when we come barks we will have more video of kids in miami, going into a store and -- well, we will show you what unfolds next. our great, great, great american panel on your way.
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here. good to see you. all right. we have this trayvon martin case. how does -- we heard what happened with congress earlier and the incendiary comment, declaring george zimmerman guilty. here's how this kids in miami reacted. as you watch this video, they run out of school into a wal-mart and you can see all chaos breaks out here. walgreens is what it was. you know, some kids were taking stuff. what is your reaction? do you think this in part is because of comments made by so-called leaders? >> i think -- what we see happening is a nonviolent social movement or a violent social movement. so the students have organized and decided their response to the rhetoric will be sort of semi-violent protest if you will. i am sure it's a response to the rhetoric. the media is spinning this to the left and to the right.
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the young students don't know how it deal with this. >> sean: i don't see it to the right. do you agree with that -- >> if you want to see any protest where people get mugged or raped or atms -- looted, go to woodstock or up on. you don't go to a tea party. this is an example -- we don't know the facts here, we don't know the situation. people are hurling racial epithets, falsely at zimmerman, calling him a cracker, they are being rageful. we don't know what is going on, stealing tweezers in a walgreens won't solve. >> it i think it's 100% the fault of barack obama -- >> sean: why do you think that barack obama is at fault? >> he's willing to stick his nose in anything to get people's mind off the fact that unemployment is 14% and gas is $4. i think he will try anything to get the american people to stop thinking about that. i can't wait until we get a president who love this is country in november [overlapping dialogue]
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>> it has to come from the community. our national level leaders need to make statements that are against racial profiling and violence. but the community in florida needs to be taking responsibility for this as well. >> sean: you know, there is so much contradictory evidence, this is what i don't like about the rush to judgment. i don't want 17-year-old kids getting killed. but we don't know the facts. they have an eyewitness saying that trayvon martin was on top of zimmerman, pumping him. >> no one knows the facts and to have everybody grandstanding and making a statement and trying, as i said, to capitalize on a horrible trag fee tragedy is moe than gross, it's sad. >> you can't capitalize. but let's assume that we had the facts and that is rightin -- martin was right, stealing tube socks in a walgreens doesn't better the situation. so let's point it out -- this is
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thuggery. >> sean: going to the house floor and declaring him guilty, and accusations, we may learn more, but what we know now is that mr. zimmerman spent his weekends teaching african-american kids, you know, math and science. i mean, it seeps -- it doesn't fit the profile of someone with raich -- with raich antipathy. >> i think you are right. people are opportunists here and take advantage. barack obama tried to politicize this, it's wrong. we don't know enough yet. >> sean: i love david petreas. >> i got to know him pretty well. it was my dissertation and i was allowed to imbed in the headquarters in iraq. >> pretty amazi
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